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Thoughtworks Technology Podcast

English, Technology, 1 season, 131 episodes, 3 days, 11 hours, 49 minutes
The Thoughtworks podcast plunges deep into the latest tech topics that have captured our imagination. Join our panel of senior technologists to explore the most important trends in tech today, get frontline insights into our work developing cutting-edge tech and hear more about how today’s tech megatrends will impact you.
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How to assess your organization's security maturity

One of the fundamentals of security is self-awareness: knowing where you may be vulnerable, the practices and processes that aren't yet quite in place and what actions you need to prioritize are essential if your organization is to excel at security. But how can that be done? In complex and distributed teams, surfacing such knowledge can be incredibly difficult. One solution, though, is something called a security maturity model. In this episode of the Thoughtworks Technology Podcast, three Thoughtworkers — Diana Adorno, Lisa Junger and Robin Doherty — speak to host Alexey Boas about a security maturity model they've developed that was recognized by the prestigious CSO50 Awards. They explain the purpose of developing and using one, how theirs works and why it should matter to any organization that wants to get serious about the way it does security.
6/13/202440 minutes, 1 second
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Continuous delivery vs. continuous deployment: What should be the default?

Despite occasional confusion, the difference between continuous delivery and continuous deployment is simple: should deploying to production be on demand or every good build? Answering which approach is 'best' is difficult; any attempt at dogmatism is likely to just look foolish, given it is, like many other debates in software development, context-dependent. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and unpick the issues at the heart of the discussion. It's all well and good saying the debate is context-dependent, but what does that actually mean in practice? In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Ken Mugrage and Valentina Servile debate the merits of both continuous delivery and continuous deployment. Talking with hosts Prem Chandrasekaran and Birgitta Böckeler, they offer their perspectives on when and where both should be used — in making the case for their chosen approaches, they shed some much needed light on a discussion that every software engineering team should have.   Learn more about Valentina Servile's book Continuous Deployment:
5/30/202441 minutes, 43 seconds
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Themes from Technology Radar Vol.30

Volume 30 of the Thoughtworks Technology Radar was published in April 2024. Alongside 105 blips, the edition also featured four themes selected by the team of technologists that puts the Radar together. They were: open-ish source licenses, AI-assisted software development teams, emerging architecture patterns for LLMs and dragging pull requests closer to continuous integration. Each one cuts across the technologies and techniques included on the Radar and highlights a key issue or challenge for software developers — and other technologists — working today. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Birgitta Böckeler and Erik Dörnenberg join Neal Ford and Ken Mugrage to discuss the themes for Technology Radar Vol.30. They explain what they mean, why they were picked and what their implications are for the wider industry.   Explore volume 30 of the Technology Radar:
5/16/202444 minutes, 55 seconds
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Building at the intersection of machine learning and software engineering

Bringing machine learning models into production is challenging. This is why, as demand for machine learning capabilities in products and services increases, new kinds of teams and new ways of working are emerging to bridge the gap between data science and software engineering. Effective Machine Learning Teams — written by Thoughtworkers David Tan, Ada Leung and Dave Colls — was created to help practitioners get to grips with these challenges and master everything needed to deliver exceptional machine learning-backed products. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, the authors join Scott Shaw and Ken Mugrage to discuss their book. They explain how it addresses current issues in the field, taking in everything from the technical challenges of testing and deployment to the cultural work of building teams that span different disciplines and areas of expertise.   Learn more about Effective Machine Learning Teams: Read a Q&A with the authors:  
5/2/202448 minutes, 30 seconds
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Refactoring with AI

Can AI improve the quality of our code? A recent white paper published by code analysis company CodeScene — "Refactoring vs. Refuctoring: Advancing the state of AI-automated code improvements" — highlighted some significant challenges: in tests, AI solutions only delivered functionally correct refactorings 37% of the time. However, there are nevertheless opportunities. The white paper suggests it might be possible to dramatically boost the success rate of AI refactoring to 90%. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Adam Tornhill, CTO and Founder of CodeScene, joins Thoughtworks' Rebecca Parsons (CTO Emerita), Birgitta Böckeler (Global Lead for AI-assisted software delivery) and Martin Fowler (Chief Scientist and author of the influential Refactoring book) to discuss all things AI and code. From refactoring and code quality to the benefits and limitations of coding assistants, this is an essential conversation for anyone that wants to understand how AI is going to shape the way we build software.   Read CodeScene's Refactoring vs. Refuctoring white paper, which explores AI's role in improving code: Read CodeScene's Code Red white paper to learn how code quality impacts time-to-market and product experience: CodeScene's new automated refactoring tool is now in beta. Learn more: Listen to our podcast discussion about AI-assisted coding from November 2023:
4/18/202437 minutes, 31 seconds
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How to measure your cloud carbon footprint

If you've ever wondered how to measure your cloud carbon footprint, you can — thanks to a tool that's called, somewhat unsurprisingly, Cloud Carbon Footprint. Launched in March 2021 by Thoughtworks as an open-source project, it allows users to to monitor and measure carbon emissions and energy use from cloud services. On this episode of the Technology Podcast, senior software engineers Cameron Casher and Eric Smith join Alexey Boas and Ken Mugrage to talk about Cloud Carbon Footprint in depth. They explain why CCF is different from the measurement tools offered by established cloud vendors, how it actually works and how you can get started with it yourself.  CCF on GitHub: Learn more:    
4/4/202438 minutes, 44 seconds
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Technology through the Looking Glass: Preparing for 2024 and beyond

Looking Glass isn't like most other technology trend reports. It doesn't just tell you what deserves your attention, it's designed to help you use it to focus on what really matters to you. Published once a year, Thoughtworks intends it to be a tool that helps readers make sense of the emerging technologies that are going to shape the industry in the months and years to come. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, lead Looking Glass contributors Rebecca Parsons and Ken Mugrage trade hosting duties for the guest seats, as they talk to Neal Ford about the most recent edition of the Looking Glass (published in January 2024). They explain what the Looking Glass is and outline some of the key 'lenses' that act as a framework readers can use to monitor and evaluate what's on the horizon.  Covering everything from AI to augmented reality, this conversation offers a new perspective on emerging technology to help prepare you for 2024. Explore Looking Glass 2024:
3/21/202431 minutes, 14 seconds
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Diving head first into software architecture

A few years ago, Thoughtworker and (prolific) author Neal Ford published Fundamentals of Software Architecture with Michael Richards. They're now back with another book on software architecture — written with co-author Raju Gandhi — which offers readers a very different learning experience. Described as a combination of technical book and graphic novel, Head First Software Architecture dispenses with dense prose to present and explain software architecture concepts and ideas in some highly innovative and novel ways. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, the authors — alongside their editor, Sarah Grey — join Rebecca Parsons to discuss their new book. They explain the thinking behind the approach, how it diverges from Fundamentals of Software Architecture and detail some of the challenges of writing in a new format. Whether you're interested in getting started with software architecture or simply curious about technical communication and learning, listen to find out more. Learn more about Head First Software Architecture:
3/7/202437 minutes, 24 seconds
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Exploring the building blocks of distributed systems

Distributed systems are ubiquitous yet complex. They can be particularly demanding for software developers and architects tasked with dealing with the sometimes unpredictable nature of the interactions between their various parts. That's why Thoughtworker Unmesh Joshi wrote Patterns of Distributed Systems. Published at the end of 2023, the book explores a number of patterns that characterize distributed systems, and uses them to not only help readers better understand how such systems work but also to solve problems and challenges that often arise. On this episode of the Technology Podcast, Unmesh joins hosts Scott Shaw and Rebecca Parsons to talk about his book, explaining where the idea came from, how he put it together and why it's important to get beneath neat abstractions to really get to grips with the inner workings of distributed systems. Learn more about Patterns of Distributed Systems:
2/22/202435 minutes, 46 seconds
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Software-defined vehicles: The future of the automotive industry?

A few decades ago, it would have probably seemed strange to put software and automobility together. However, today software is embedded in all kinds of modern vehicles, enabling capabilities in everything from driving to passenger entertainment. But what exactly does this all mean for the automotive industry? And what demands does it place on design and manufacturing processes? In this episode of the Technology Podcast, two Thoughtworks experts on software-defined vehicles — Michael Fait and Sriram J. — speak to Ashok Subramanian and Ken Mugrage about how the automotive industry has been changed by software. They cover everything from the implications software has for the way we think about design, manufacturing and regulation across the industry to the skills and practices developers need to work in this exciting space.
2/8/202440 minutes, 1 second
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Beyond the DORA metrics: Measuring engineering excellence

Is it really possible to measure the impact engineering teams have on a business' success? At a time when growth is challenging for many organizations and questions about productivity and effectiveness dominate industry conversations, getting it right is crucial. And although the DORA metrics are today well established and extremely useful is it really enough? Do they actually help us tie the work we do to tangible business results? In attempting to answer these questions, a group of Thoughtworkers have developed what they call EEBO metrics. These are designed to measure engineering excellence to business outcomes.  To discuss EEBO metrics, hosts Prem Chandrasekaran and Scott Shaw (CTO, Thoughtworks APAC) are joined by Dinker Charak (Principal Product Strategist) and Sachin Dharmapurikar (Global Product Manager). Charak and Dharmapurikar helped to develop EEBO metrics; they believe it can be a valuable tool in aligning often complex engineering projects and activities with high-level business goals and objectives. Listen as they explain what EEBO metrics are (and aren't) and how businesses should think about using them.
1/25/202435 minutes, 31 seconds
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Asynchronous collaboration: Getting it right

Thanks to the pandemic, asynchronous working is, today, fairly common. However, it's often easily confused with simply working remotely — and while there are certainly neat synergies between the two, asynchronous working isn't just a description of your working arrangement: it's a set of intentional practices and artifacts that allow people to work together without having to physically be together. On this episode of ther Technology Podcast, Thoughtworkers Sumeet Gayathri Moghe — author of The Async-First Playbook — and Maya Ormaza join hosts Neal Ford and Ken Mugrage to offer their perspectives on asynchronous working. Taking in everything from the value of written communication, work that demands synchronicity and the importance of leadership to async working, listen to gain a fresh perspective on the way we work together in 2024. Learn more about Sumeet's Async-First Playbook: Read Sumeet's guide to writing for async workers: A guide to reading for asynchronous workers: A guide to audio and visual content when working asynchronously:  
1/11/202444 minutes, 22 seconds
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Looking back at key themes across technology in 2023

With each edition of the Thoughtworks Technology Radar, we identify a number of key themes that we see as significant in the industry. In the most recent edition — volume 29, published in September — we picked out AI assisted software development, the challenges of measuring productivity, the rapid growth of LLMs and remote delivery workarounds beginning to mature in a post-pandemic world. For this, the final Technology Podcast episode of 2023, a few members of the team involved in putting the Technology Radar together — Neal Ford, Rebecca Parsons, Scott Shaw and Erik Doernenberg — got together to discuss these themes in more detail and offer their perspectives. As we leave the year behind, it's a great way to review some of the key issues and stories that shaped the way the world builds software.
12/28/202336 minutes, 43 seconds
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Leveraging generative AI at Bosch

Generative AI has, unsurprisingly, been a major topic of conversation within Thoughtworks in 2023. However, as enjoyable as it is to get sucked into discussions about the reality, the risks and the benefits of this new technology, what's really interesting — and most important — is understanding how organizations can actually leverage generative AI in a way that's both safe and effective.  For this episode of the Technology Podcast, Rebecca Parsons and Birgitta Böckeler spoke to Andreas Nauerz, CTO and Executive Vice President of Bosch Digital, who explained how he and his team have been thinking about generative AI and exploring the ways it can be leveraged across a huge multinational organization. He discusses where generative AI has already been effective, managing risk and the challenges of bring a large organization with you as you seek to implement something new.
12/14/202343 minutes, 16 seconds
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Jugalbandi: Building with AI for social impact

It's easy for key industry players to talk up AI's potential positive social impact, but what does building for social impact actually look like? At Thoughtworks, a small team has been working on a project called "Jugalbandi," designing AI-driven systems and tools for civil society initiatives, such as a chatbot that helps Indian citizens find information about government programs and schemes in their native language. Earlier this year, Jugalbandi caught the attention of Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella, who saw it as evidence of AI's power to drive transformative change to every single part of the world. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Jugalbandi team members Vinod Sankaranarayanan and Prathamesh Kalamkar offer an inside look at the project, talking in detail about the work they've done, some of the challenges they've faced and how they're looking to expand and increase its impact in the months and years to come.
11/30/202335 minutes, 52 seconds
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AI-assisted coding: Experiences and perspectives

Generative AI appears to be making an impact in a huge range of fields, but one that we're particularly interested in at Thoughtworks is its use in software development. In recent months, there's been a lot of talk in the industry around issues like whether AI might boost developer productivity and if it can be used for pair programming, but in this episode of the Technology Podcast we try to get beneath the hype to explore the reality of generative AI and software development — how is it actually being used today? What works? And what doesn't? To dive deeper into all this, Chief of AI Mike Mason and Global Lead for AI-Assisted Software Delivery Birgitta Böckeler join hosts Prem Chandrasekaran and Neal Ford, discussing everything from the current tooling to the way GenAI is shaping developer practices and workflows.
11/16/202343 minutes, 43 seconds
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What's it like to maintain an award-winning open source tool?

Open source contributors and maintainers play a vital role in the technology ecosystem. But what's it like to develop and maintain an open source tool — especially one that thousands of other developers use and depend on? In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Srinivasan Sekar and Sai Krishna join hosts Rebecca Parsons and Scott Shaw to discuss their work on AppiumTestDistribution, an open source tool that supports test automation framework Appium. AppiumTestDistribution won a LambdaTest Delta Award at the August 2023 Testμ Conference. Listen to Sekar and Krishna explain how the project emerged, how they approach maintaining and evolving the tool and what it takes to be a part of an award-winning open source project.
11/2/202328 minutes, 35 seconds
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Engineering platforms and golden paths: Building better developer experiences

The concept of the developer platform and the discipline of platform engineering have been important in shaping how the industry thinks about enabling developers. But what does it mean to actually build and maintain a platform? How can you ensure it actually supports the people that need it? In this episode of the Technology Podcast, hosts Ken Mugrage and Rebecca Parsons are joined by Chris Ford of Thoughtworks Spain and Aidan Donnelly, Director of Technology Platform at Personio, to discuss the importance of engineering platforms in organizations today. Read Aidan's writing on Medium:  
10/19/202338 minutes, 18 seconds
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Managing cost efficiency at scale-ups

Many of the scale-ups we’ve partnered with over the years will hit road bumps along the way. One common bottleneck we’ve seen are unexpected and dramatic rises in costs. In this episode we talk to members of our Digital Scale-up Studio, to hear their experience of gaining better visibility, improving operational efficiency at scale-ups, while the business maintains growth and gains greater knowledge of customer requirements.   Podcast hosts: Rebecca Parsons, Premanand Chandrasekaran,  Podcast guests: Stefania Stefansdottir, Sofia Tania  
10/3/202340 minutes, 55 seconds
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Exploring SQL and ETL

The evolution of SQL and the ease of access to ever larger sizes of computational power has made SQL and ETL a useful pairing for practitioners in the data space. But how do they work together exactly? And what challenges can it pose? Bharani Subramaniam and Madhu Podila discuss these issues and much more with hosts Neal Ford and Rebecca Parsons on the latest episode of the Thoughtworks Technology Podcast.    
9/21/202331 minutes, 57 seconds
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Driving innovation in radio astronomy

Radio astronomy — a subfield of astronomy that studies the sky using radio frequencies — is data-intensive. That poses a challenge for radio astronomers: building and then communicating scientific insights requires significant processing and analytical work. Thoughtworks has been working with Dr. Neeraj Gupta from the Inter-University Centre for Astronomy and Astrophysics (IUCAA) in India to develop solutions to these challenges, including a data processing pipeline, a collaborative platform for analysis and a digital catalog for publishing and communicating research. In this episode of the Technology Podcast Dr. Gupta joins Justin Jose of Thoughtworks India's Engineering for Research (E4R) team as they speak to hosts Rebecca Parsons and Prem Chandrasekaran about their work together. Dr. Gupta explains the benefits of Thoughtworks work from an astronomer perspective, while Justin highlights the challenges of building software solutions in a highly specialized domain.
9/7/202338 minutes, 45 seconds
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XR with impact: Building experiences that drive business value

XR is a potentially transformative technology, but it needs to be leveraged in a way that drives value. That isn't straightforward — given effective XR initiatives often require significant experimentation and exploration, simply aligning XR with strict organizational goals and aims will often make it harder to achieve success. How can technologists and product leaders get the balance right? In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Vaibhav Tikekar and Shea Clark-Tieche join hosts Rebecca Parsons and Ken Mugrage to discuss how to use XR effectively, talking through their experiences working with clients in recent years and providing their perspectives on how experimentation and innovation can be brought in alignment with organizational goals and objectives.
8/24/202337 minutes, 5 seconds
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Leadership styles in technology teams

Leadership is an important if often-overlooked quality in the technology industry. However, it is also a complex and multi-faceted thing: it isn't a discrete set of skills, but rather an ability to respond and adapt to the needs of a situation, team or individual. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Ricardo Cavalcanti (Caval) and Arturo Santos from Thoughtworks Brazil join hosts Alexey Boas and Scott Shaw to discuss their experiences and leadership and offer their perspective on the value of building a repertoire of leadership styles.    
8/10/202339 minutes, 6 seconds
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Making design matter in technology organizations

Design leader and Thoughtworks alumnus Emma Carter recently published her second book, DesignedUp. In it, she explains how designers can win a seat at the leadership table inside technolology organizations and become effective evangelists and advocates for good design principles and practices. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Emma joins hosts Rebecca Parsons and Scott Shaw to discuss her new book and talks through some of the challenges designers face in even the most forward-thinking technology companies. She highlights that design is, today, far more than just UI design — it can, and should, touch many parts of an organization, ensuring that products and services are properly aligned with the aims, goals and needs of users. You can find Emma's book on Amazon:
7/27/202344 minutes, 41 seconds
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Generative AI and the future of knowledge work

Thoughtworks recently established a new role — Chief AI Officer. Taking up the position is Mike Mason, a veteran of Thoughtworks with over 20 years at the company, in technology roles spanning developer to technology strategist and author (and occasional Technology Podcast host). Mike will help guide Thoughtworks AI strategy and ensure that we're equipped to support clients trying to leverage AI.  In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Mike talks with hosts Neal Ford and Prem Chandrasekaran about his new role and explains why it's important that the company has someone leading on AI. He also discusses the hype, opportunities and risks of generative AI that — high on everyone's agenda at the moment — and explores how it might change knowledge work in general and software engineering more specifically. Listen as Mike talks through some of his own experiments with ChatGPT and offers his perspective on its likely impact on jobs in the months and years to come.
7/13/202344 minutes, 26 seconds
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Scaling mobile delivery

It seems obvious to say that mobile usage has grown dramatically over the last decade, but for businesses that have to move to accomodate this type of user behavior, it presents many challenges. While some have successfully gone all-in on mobile experiences, for others, trying to build effectively for multiple channels is as much an organizational challenge as it is a product one. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, hosts Scott Shaw and Birgitta Böckeler are joined by Head of Technology Alexandra Lovin and Principal Mobile Consultant Andres Kievsky to discuss the current state of play in mobile development. They discuss the challenges of scaling mobile delivery, taking in everything from addressing privacy issues to application architecture.
6/29/202341 minutes, 33 seconds
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Making privacy a first-class citizen in data science

A changing regulatory environment has made it more important than ever for organizations to embed privacy in their data infrastructure. Doing so, however, can be complicated — that means data scientists have an vital role to play in ensuring privacy is a key concern from both a technical and commercial perspective.  Thoughtworker and data scientist Katharine Jarmul is eager to help fellow data scientists master privacy principles and techniques. Her new book, Practical Data Privacy, covers everything from the fundamentals of governance and anonymization through to advanced approaches to data privacy like federated learning and encrypted computation. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Katharine joins hosts Rebecca Parsons and Birgitta Böckeler to discuss the book and explain why data scientists need to be on the frontline in the fight for privacy.  Find Practical Data Privacy on Amazon:    
6/15/202331 minutes, 54 seconds
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Multi-cloud: Exploring the challenges and opportunities

When cloud first hit the mainstream more than a decade ago, its attraction was rooted, in part, in its apparent elegance and simplicity. As it has become an established norm in the industry, such simplicity has given way to more fragmentation and complexity. The growth of "multi-cloud" and adjacent terms such as "hybrid cloud" and "poly cloud" mean that cloud is a field that needs to be sensitively navigated by technology leaders and their organizations. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, hosts Neal Ford and Prem Chandrasekaran discuss multi-cloud with Thoughtworks colleagues Rashmi Tambe and Sunit Parekh, who co-lead the Enterprise Modernization, Platforms and Cloud service line. In the episode they discuss terminology, the challenges of migrating to multiple cloud platforms, governance issues and some common antipatterns. They also offer advice for teams considering exploring the potential of multi-cloud.
6/1/202337 minutes, 46 seconds
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Scaling up at Etsy

Global craft marketplace Etsy has grown at an impressive rate in recent years. From 2019 to 2021 sales and revenue tripled. This growth has been enabled by a significant technology modernization project which, amazingly, was completed just weeks before the Coronavirus pandemic erupted in March 2020, the start of a period in which millions of people took to Etsy to purchase cloth face masks. Without the modernized systems and infrastructure, Etsy would have struggled to cope with consumer demand. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Mike Mason is joined by Etsy's Chief Architect Keyur Govande, the company's former CTO Mike Fisher and Thoughtworks North America Technical Director Tim Cochran to discuss how Etsy tackled the challenge of scaling to meet the needs of its expanding market. They talk through the technical challenges and the organizational focus required to scale in a way that was sustainable for the business yet impactful for Etsy's users. Learn more about Thoughtworks partnership with Etsy:
5/18/202351 minutes, 2 seconds
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TinyML: Bringing machine learning to the edge

When we think about machine learning today we often think in terms of immense scale — large language models that require huge amounts of computational power, for example. But one of the most interesting innovations in machine learning right now is actually happening on a really small scale. Thanks to TinyML, models can now be run on small devices at the edge of a network. This has significant implications for the future of many different fields, from automated vehicles to security and privacy. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, hosts Scott Shaw and Rebecca Parsons are joined by Andy Nolan, Director of Emerging Technology at Thoughtworks Australia, and Matt Kelcey of Edge Impulse, to discuss what TinyML means for our understanding of machine learning as a discipline and how it could help drive innovation in the years to come.
5/4/202345 minutes, 45 seconds
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The weaponization of complexity

We often describe our high-tech and digitally mediated world as "complex" but we rarely spend much time considering how that complexity can be cleverly deployed as a means of duping or manipulating us. However, trends like NFTs have brought this into clearer view. This is not to say it's a novel phenomenon — from dark patterns in UX design to pages and pages of end-user license agreements (EULAs), leveraging complexity for nefarious ends has long been an unsavory aspect of the technology industry. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Mike Mason and Neal Ford are joined by Thoughtworks designer Kate Linton and Thoughtworks North America Head of Legal Jeremy Gordon to discuss what they describe as "the weaponization of complexity." Together, they grapple with the cynicism at the center of such activities and discuss some of the ways we can tackle it.
4/20/202347 minutes, 42 seconds
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How we put together the Technology Radar

The Thoughtworks Technology Radar is a snapshot of technologies and practices that the company believes the industry should be interested in, based on the actual experiences of Thoughtworkers working with clients. With its first edition launched in January 2010, it is now a fixture of the Thoughtworks calendar, released twice a year in the spring and fall. Although it has been around for more than a decade, we're well aware that people have lots of questions about it. One comes up more than others: how do you actually put it together? Giving a good, short answer is difficult — for those involved, it's a long process involving various stages of writing, debate and deliberation.  However, with the next edition of the Radar — volume 28 — just weeks away, we wanted to give the world an insight into how we put Technology Radar together. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Marisa Hoenig, Perla Villareal and Camilla Crispim join host Neal Ford to discuss the work that goes into producing it and what the experience is like.
4/6/202335 minutes, 55 seconds
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Inside India's Drug Discovery Hackathon

Covid-19 unleashed a wave of medical and pharmaceutical research and innovation across the world. In India, the government launched the Drug Discovery Hackathon, an initiative designed to bring together expertise in fields ranging from biotechnology, pharmaceuticals, machine learning and virology to discover new drugs that could help thwart the pandemic.  One team that took part was from Thoughtworks India. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, two of the members — Pooja Arora and Justin Jose — talk to Rebecca Parsons and Ashok Subramanian about a number of projects they worked on during the hackathon. Among other things, they explain how they used reinforcement learning to improve the efficacy of potential drugs in tackling what was, at the time, a virus that was only partially understood.
3/23/202338 minutes, 56 seconds
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Serverless in 2023

Serverless received significant attention when it first emerged in the middle of the 2010s. And although it has now entered the mainstream and is today used in a diverse range of scenarios and architectures, it nevertheless remains a topic that causes considerable confusion and debate: where should we use it? How should we use it? Sometimes, what even is it, exactly? In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Mike Mason and Prem Chandrasekaran are joined by former Thoughtworker Mike Roberts — author of "the canonical book on serverless," Programming AWS Lambda — to discuss the current state of serverless. They examine the ways that serverless is understood today and explore the impacts and challenges it has for both businesses and software developers. Read Mike Roberts' book Programming AWS Lambda: Read Mike's long-read on serverless on
3/9/202342 minutes, 29 seconds
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My Thoughtworks journey: Rebecca Parsons

Thoughtworks CTO Rebecca Parsons has had a long and varied career in technology. Even before joining Thoughtworks in 1999, she completed a PhD, worked as a postdoc researcher at Los Alamos National Laboratory and taught at the University of Central Florida. Becoming CTO in 2007, she has seen Thoughtworks — and the wider tech industry — evolve through a period in which the business mainstream has become increasingly comfortable with cutting-edge innovation. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Neal Ford and Birgitta Böckeler talk to Rebecca about her career, starting from Caterpillar warehouses in Peoria, Illinois, to being awarded the Technical Leadership Abie Award by It's the latest episode in our ongoing mini-series of Thoughtworker Journeys, offering an insight into the diverse and sometimes surprising experiences of technologists at Thoughtworks. Learn more about Read the new edition of Rebecca's book, Building Evolutionary Architectures:    
2/23/202345 minutes, 8 seconds
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How to tackle friction between product and engineering in scale-ups

As an organization matures and grows, silos will inevitably emerge. That can pose problems, particularly in the relationship between product and engineering functions — friction can slow growth and make delivering at speed much more challenging than it was previously. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Thoughtworks CTO Rebecca Parsons is joined by colleagues Rick Kick (Head of Application and Platform Transformation in the Enterprise Modernization team for Thoughtworks North America) and Kennedy Collins (Head of Product and Design for the North America Central Market), alongside Anthony Maitz of Pariveda, to discuss how to manage the various frictions and tensions that can emerge as organizations scale. They cover a wide range of tactics and strategies to improve alignment between product and engineering, and offer an insight into what can actually be done to address a common scale-up growing pain. Read Rick and Kennedy's article discussed in the episode:
2/9/202339 minutes, 7 seconds
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Six key technology trends for 2023

It's often said that technology moves quickly, but the decisions we make about it can have long-term consequences. That's why identifying these trends — and understanding what they mean — matters. At Thoughtworks we do that with our Looking Glass report. Our most recent edition was published at the end of 2022; it provides a useful framework for thinking through the major shifts that look set to happen across the industry in 2023.  In this episode of the Technology Podcast, regular hosts Mike Mason and Ken Mugrage take the guest seats to talk to Neal Ford about the six key trends in the latest Looking Glass. They explain why they were chosen before diving deeper into a selection of some of the most hotly debated trends that feature in the report, such as metaverse and Web3. Explore the latest Looking Glass: Read Mike Mason's metaverse article (co-written with Barton Friedland)
1/26/202342 minutes, 8 seconds
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Tackling system complexity with domain-driven design

Despite the term being coined two decades ago by Eric Evans, domain-driven design has arguably become more relevant than ever in software engineering, thanks to the rise of cloud and highly complex distributed systems. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Alexey Boas and Ashok Subramanian are joined by Prem Chandrasekaran and  Karthik Krishnan — authors of the new book Domain-Driven Design with Java — to discuss DDD and how it has developed over the last 20 years. They explore how DDD can help us respond to complexity and talk about the perspectives they put forward in their book.
1/12/202335 minutes, 23 seconds
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Shifting left on accessibility

The issue of accessibility in relation to technology and software has gained increased attention in recent years. While few would disagree that it's important, it nevertheless remains something that is all too often overlooked or viewed as a luxury when it comes to actually building products. This is unfortunate: taking accessibility seriously throughout the process of development and design will not only help foster a more equitable industry, it will also lead to better products for everyone. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Scott Shaw and Prem Chandrasekaran are joined by Kate Linton and Katie Peterson to discuss the importance of shifting accessibility left — making it a first-order concern that's part of the earliest stage of the product development lifecycle. They explore why many companies are failing on accessibility, how it can be done properly and the wider benefits of such a shift.
12/29/202230 minutes, 42 seconds
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Data Mesh revisited

Data Mesh is one of the most powerful and widely-discussed concepts to emerge from Thoughtworks in recent years. As the world becomes increasingly aware of the risks and challenges data can pose — from the perspective of both privacy and organizational effectiveness — it has only become more relevant. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Zhamak Dehghani (Thoughtworks alumnus and author of O'Reilly's Data Mesh: Delivering Data Driven Value at Scale) and Emily Gorcenski join Rebecca Parsons and Birgitta Böckeler to discuss Data Mesh's place in the industry today, more than three years on from the first time we discussed the topic on the podcast. Together they explore some of the challenges organizations face when adopting it and what its future looks like, as it continues to push the world to rethink data centralization.  
12/15/202249 minutes, 40 seconds
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Low-code/no-code platforms: The 10% trap and the limits of abstractions

Low-code and no-code development platforms have been heralded in recent years as a solution to engineering talent gaps and as a trend that will properly democratize technology, allowing even non-coders to build applications from scratch. However, despite the marketing rhetoric, such platforms pose considerable challenges: how do they fit alongside existing development projects? To what extent do they enable or restrict our ability to build the kinds of software we want and need?  In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Neal Ford and Mike Mason are joined by Scott Shaw and Xu Hao to discuss the state of play in the world of low-code and no-code. They explore the different types of platforms that have emerged in the space and ask what organizations need to consider before they invest time, energy and money in integrating them.
12/1/202230 minutes, 25 seconds
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Welcome to the fediverse: Exploring Mastodon, ActivityPub and beyond [Special]

For many who have been part of the recent migration of users from Twitter to Mastodon, their first encounters with the "fediverse" have been puzzling, even disorienting. Given a decade in which we've all grown accustomed to the affordances of corporate social media, it's not surprising people have questions: How does it work, exactly? How am I supposed to use it?  With so much current interest in the platform — and the wider ecosystem of which it is a part — in this special bonus episode of the Technology Podcast, Birgitta Böckeler digs into the technology and culture of Mastodon with the help of Effy Elden, Moritz Heiber and Julien Deswaef, three Thoughtworkers that have been long-time residents of the fediverse. They discuss how Mastodon works, how it sits within the broader decentralized social media landscape and whether this move to Mastodon marks the start of a new chapter in how the world views social media.
11/24/202244 minutes, 32 seconds
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Rethinking software governance: Reflecting on the second edition of Building Evolutionary Architectures

Building Evolutionary Architectures was published in 2017. In it, Thoughtworks CTO Rebecca Parsons, Neal Ford and Pat Kua defined and developed the concept of “evolutionary architecture” and demonstrated how it can help organizations manage change effectively in fast-moving business contexts and an ever-shifting technology landscape. The book has now been updated, with its second edition due to be published in December 2022. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Rebecca and Neal talk to Birgitta Böckeler and Scott Shaw about the new edition and discuss how seeing various applications of evolutionary architecture over the last five years has led them to identify new issues and challenges. In particular, they talk about how the new edition takes up the question of automating architectural governance using fitness functions, and what this means for the way we build and maintain complex software systems.
11/17/202238 minutes, 43 seconds
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Reckoning with the force of Conway's Law

While putting together this year's Technology Radar, Conway's Law — the idea that organizations are constrained to produce systems that mirror their communication structures — was the subject of a lot of discussion. Should we fight it — by deploying the inverse conway maneuver? Or do we need to adopt a more nuanced approach and consider how we can leverage it? In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Martin Fowler and James Lewis join hosts Birgitta Böckeler and Mike Mason to delve into Conway's Law. They explore what Conway's Law means for organizations today, how it should — and should not — be applied and why everyone working in and around software systems needs to pay close attention to it. Read the 1968 paper (by Melvin Conway) that identified the phenomenon.
11/3/202235 minutes, 49 seconds
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Exploring the Basal Cost of software

The “Basal Cost” of software is an idea from Eduardo Ferro Aldama. The term is borrowed from biology, where the "Basal Metabolic Rate" refers to the number of calories a human body burns just to maintain normal functioning. Applied to software development, the concept is intended to help us pay much more attention to the long term costs — like additional complexity and maintenance — of building a new feature. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, James Lewis and Georgina Giannoukou join hosts Neal Ford and Birgitta Böckeler to discuss the Basal Cost of software and explore how it can help organizations and software development teams better manage product and system complexity.
10/20/202230 minutes, 11 seconds
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Why full-stack testing matters

Although many books have been written on software testing over the years, Gayathri Mohan's Full-Stack Testing, released earlier this year with O'Reilly, is unique: by taking a comprehensive look at many different aspects of testing across the development lifecycle, it emphasizes the importance of a truly holistic approach.  In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Gayathri joins hosts Rebecca Parsons and Ken Mugrage to discuss the book, her experience as a QA and testing's important and changing role in the future of software development.
10/5/202231 minutes, 12 seconds
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Acknowledging and addressing technical debt in startups and scale-ups

Technical debt is a ubiquitous problem in software engineering, yet its causes — and the potential ways to address it — are often context-specific, dependent on the challenges and goals of an organization.  In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Tim Cochran and Ajey Gore join Rebecca Parsons to discuss technical debt in startups and scale-ups. Taking in the causes of technical debt in both types of organizations, the various ways it can manifest itself, and approaches and practices for tackling it, the episode dives deep into Tim and Ajey’s experiences leading technology and engineering teams around the world. 
9/22/202239 minutes, 11 seconds
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XR in practice: the engineering challenges of extending reality

Extended Reality technology — XR — has had a lot of hype in recent years thanks to the concept of the metaverse. But bold visions of the future can obscure the reality of what engineers and organizations are doing today. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Scott Shaw and Birgitta Boeckeler are joined by Cam Jackson and Kuldeep Singh to discuss the XR work Thoughtworks has been doing with clients. Together they explore what it means for engineers and how the future of the technology might evolve.
9/8/202239 minutes, 1 second
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Agent-based modelling for epidemiology: EpiRust and BharatSim

If the pandemic has taught us anything, it's that epidemiology is incredibly complex: the millions of edge cases, what-ifs, and counterfactuals make modelling exceptionally difficult. One way of tackling this complexity is through agent-based modelling. In this episode, Rebecca Parsons and Premanand Chandrasekaran are joined by Thoughtworks colleague Jayanta Kshirsagar and Gautam Menom, professor of physics and biology at Ashoka University. They discuss how Thoughtworks has been helping researchers in India using agent-based modelling with two custom-built tools: EpiRust and BharatSim.  
8/25/202232 minutes, 36 seconds
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Mastering architectural metrics

Given the variety of architectural styles — and the unique technology landscapes at every organization — how can you develop a set of metrics that can reliably guide your organization to improve? Andrew Harmel-Law has been grappling with this question for some time. We catch up with him to hear how he thinks DORA’s Four Key Metrics provide invaluable guardrails that can empower teams and improve the software delivery process.
8/12/202248 minutes, 9 seconds
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Building a culture of innovation

Thoughtworks regularly emphasises the importance of culture in building and maintaining high-quality software when working with clients. So, for episode 100 of the Thoughtworks Technology Podcast, we wanted to reflect on how the organization — and its leaders — has gone about trying to build a culture of innovation over the last couple of decades. Featuring CTO Rebecca Parsons and Chief Strategy Officer Chad Wathington, this episode offers an insight into some the successes, failures, and characters that have shaped Thoughtworks over the years.
7/28/202248 minutes, 22 seconds
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Starting out with sensible default practices

The idea of best practices is becoming an anachronism — given today’s complex technology landscape, the notion that there can be a single best way of doing anything seems fanciful. Our crew explore the thinking behind sensible defaults: that there may be some practices which act as de facto starting points on any given project because they’re effective — practices such as pair programming, TDD or continuous integration. But context is vital and there may be circumstances which makes the default choice invalid — or at least suboptimal.
7/14/202240 minutes, 27 seconds
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Better testing through mutations

Mutation testing has long been a proven method for driving software quality in a way unit testing can't. But it can be a long, expensive and computationally intensive process. Our podcasters explore effective strategies for mutation testing and how to establish when it's right for your projects.
6/30/202225 minutes, 48 seconds
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Patterns of legacy displacement — Part two

In the second part of our exploration of legacy displacement, we look at the practicalities of making upgrades work, from strategies for decomposing huge monoliths into manageable chunks as well as the methods for delivering those parts now that you've broken your monolith up. 
6/16/202245 minutes, 10 seconds
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Patterns of legacy displacement — Part one

Updating legacy systems has been a common feature of enterprise IT. But — strangler-fig pattern aside — there’s little written about how to do it effectively. We explore the ideas of legacy replacement — and even legacy displacement — with a group of colleagues that are writing an article series on the topic for In the first episode of this two-part series, we look how they’ve come up with patterns for legacy displacement.
6/2/202245 minutes, 2 seconds
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Mitigating cognitive bias when coding

We’re all subject to cognitive biases. And whether we’re aware of them or not, they can have a profound impact on the code we write — especially when working in an agile environment, where we have to constantly deal with uncertainties. We take a deep dive into where our biases emerge, the impacts they can have and how we can mitigate them to improve the quality of our code.
5/19/202234 minutes, 47 seconds
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Following an unusual career path: from dev to CEO

From extreme programming to pairing with Ward Cunningham and the earliest days of .Net to building communities in a remote-first world, Thoughtworks’ CEO Guo Xiao has seen huge changes in the tech industry. We hear how he went from being a graduate developer to leading a company of more than 10,000 — and what he’s learned about developing software along the way.
5/5/202236 minutes, 18 seconds
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Software engineering with Dave Farley

We catch up with Dave Farley to hear about the genesis of his blockbuster book, Continuous Delivery — which he authored with Jez Humble — as well as his latest tome, Modern Software Engineering. He shares his ideas about the art of software development and common misconceptions about the principles of engineering.
4/21/202252 minutes, 37 seconds
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Tackling bottlenecks at scale-ups

There are a handful of common problems organizations encounter on their journey as a scale-up, where some of the practices that enabled them to flourish as a start-up produce a level of technical debt that threatens to impede future growth. In this episode, we explore how to tackle some of those bottlenecks.
4/7/202244 minutes, 51 seconds
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Coding lessons from the pandemic

From pair programming to the daily standup, the global pandemic challenged how we think about the practices and rituals that were a daily part of developers’ lives. Our podcasters explore what changes were enforced, how it impacted teams — and whether any of those changes will stick in the new normal.
3/23/202233 minutes, 57 seconds
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Is there ever a good time for a code freeze?

Many organizations regard code freezes as a way of reducing the risk of downtime during periods of peak demands. But associating outages with changes often masks a wider lack of faith in the deployment process — which is potentially where your focus should be. Here, our podcasters explore the negative impacts of code freezes and also the instances where code freezes can be beneficial.
3/10/202225 minutes, 14 seconds
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Navigating the perils of multicloud

A multicloud strategy, where you have a business-critical application that’s engineered to run across multiple cloud platforms, can be appealing for a number of reasons, including reliability, regulatory and risk. But, like most architectural decisions, there are trade offs. Here our podcast team explore the intricacies of multicloud and the implications of making that journey.
2/25/202244 minutes, 24 seconds
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Compliance as a product

Through the adoption of DevOp practices, we’ve all become accustomed to product teams having full control over their continuous delivery pipelines right the way through to production. When organizations start out with homogenous sets of product teams, all doing similar things, compliance can fit in pretty readily. But issues arise as the scale grows and teams want to do validation checks in different ways. Our podcasts explore the ideas of compliance as a product, which aims to make compliance more manageable at scale.
2/10/202232 minutes, 12 seconds
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The big five tech trends for 2022

Each year, Thoughtworks's Looking Glass report explores the technology trends we think will have far-reaching consequences. We catch up with one of the report's authors, to hear more about what the future holds for enterprise technology.
1/27/202244 minutes, 33 seconds
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Fluent Python revisited

Ahead of the release of the second edition of his landmark book, Fluent Python, our team catch up with author Luciano Ramalho to hear about what’s happening in the world of Python — and why it’s popularity continues to endure.
1/13/202255 minutes, 36 seconds
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Creating a developer platform for a networked-enabled organization

At Thoughtworks, our internal Techops team created a self-service developer platform — NEO — with the goal of slashing the time it takes for developers to build digital products within the company. We catch up with Swapnil Deshpande and Prakash Subramaniam about designing a platform that can deliver what developers need in an easy and intuitive manner — and deliver business value.
12/30/202149 minutes, 9 seconds
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The art of Lean inceptions

Lean inceptions combine design thinking and methodologies from the Lean startup movement to provide teams with ways to get started on their projects and identify a minimum viable product as part of building an amazing business solution. We catch up with Paolo Caroli to hear about his new book on the subject as he share a few tips along the way.
12/16/202140 minutes, 40 seconds
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The hard parts of data architecture

Following on from our earlier episode on the Software Architecture: the hard parts, we’re joined by the other two co-authors of that book to explore issues around data architecture and how that fits into these broader concepts of architecture. We discuss how it is that what looks like a software decision is frequently influenced by data.
12/2/202140 minutes, 36 seconds
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TDD for today

Things have come a long way since Kent Beck first wrote about test-driven development 20+ years ago: the languages we use, our deployment environments and the rise of low-code tools. Former Thoughtworker Saleem Siddiqui has just written a new book on TDD and joins our podcast team to discuss why this book — and subject — is more pertinent than ever.
11/18/202142 minutes, 4 seconds
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You can’t buy integration

There’s often debate around the build-versus-buy decision for digital capabilities. But when it comes to integrating disparate systems, the convenience of some modern integration tools can result in point-in-time integrations: ones that are never intended to evolve, with all the complexity and cost that entails. Here, we catch up with Brandon Byers to explore the limits of low-code tools and the perils of thinking you can buy integration.
11/4/202140 minutes, 43 seconds
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The rise of NoSQL

In the past decade, NoSQL has gone from being an interesting experiment to becoming business critical. We catch up with Martin Fowler and Pramod Sadalage, co-authors of NoSQL Distilled, to understand why the database technology took off and where it’s proven its capabilities in the enterprise and how thinking around issues such as persistence models has evolved.
10/21/202137 minutes, 48 seconds
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The hard parts of software architecture

In today’s modern distributed systems are by their very nature complex. The decisions you need to make — around the wiring of your services, what size should the services be, and how should they call one another — are uniquely complex. In Software Architecture: the hard parts, the authors explore the rough edges of software architecture and look at how you can effectively do trade analyses that work for you. We catch up with two of the book’s co-authors.
10/7/202137 minutes, 39 seconds
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Machine learning in the wild

From creating novel solutions for parking airplanes or identifying the winning formula for single malt whiskeys, our colleagues at Fourkind have extensive experience in building machine learning systems. Here, Max Pagels and Jarno Kartela highlight why deploying ML is different, how edge cases can confound well-trained models and the unexpected areas where ML can deliver better than human-levels of performance.
9/24/202146 minutes, 49 seconds
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Delivering innovation at scale

Lean Enterprise was a landmark book, exploring how large enterprise could learn from start-ups and deliver innovation at scale — how they could respond to changing market conditions, customer needs, and emerging technologies when building software-based products. Thoughtworks Technology Podcast catches up with two of the book’s authors to hear about its genesis, its impact and why there’s not likely to be a second edition.
9/9/202138 minutes, 40 seconds
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Jim Highsmith: a 54-year agile journey

Thoughtworks Technology Podcast catches up with retired Thoughtworker and co-signatory of the Agile Manifesto, Jim Highsmith. He talks us through his experiences, from working on the Apollo missions to dropped card desks, the birth of the agile movement and its future in a post-pandemic world.
8/26/202135 minutes, 52 seconds
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Securing the software supply chain

As the infamous SolarWinds attack showed, it’s no longer sufficient to just write secure code, you need to ensure that you understand the security risks throughout your entire software supply chain: whether that’s compilers, containers or the tools used to manage deployment pipelines. 
8/12/202139 minutes, 43 seconds
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Making retrospectives effective — and fun

Retrospectives can play a vital role in enabling teams to improve continuously. Here, our podcast team is joined by Paulo Caroli, author of Fun Retrospectives to get insights into delivering sessions that energize and inform the whole team — while ensuring they become increasingly effective at meeting their goals.
7/22/202143 minutes, 23 seconds
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Patterns of distributed systems

In today’s cloud-first world, distributed systems are everywhere. Unmesh Joshi gives an insight into his work looking at distributed systems — from distributed databases such as Cassandra to messaging brokers such as Kafka or infrastructure components such as Docker — the common problems that arise and the approaches to solving these problems, which he categorizes as patterns.
7/8/202142 minutes, 32 seconds
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Refactoring databases — or evolutionary database design

Pramod Sadalage co-authored the book Refactoring Databases 15 years ago. The concepts remain hugely relevant today for those exploring microservices. We caught up with Pramod and Martin Fowler to hear about the genesis of the book and explore how the principles of refactoring work in a world of NoSQL databases.
6/24/202129 minutes, 57 seconds
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Making developer effectiveness a reality

There’s often lots of talk about how companies can make their developers more productive. But it may be more useful to think about developer effectiveness: how to ensure they’re building the most useful products for their customers. This isn’t about working longer or harder or hiring smarter people, it's just working smarter, using your time better and making sure that the company is providing that environment that allows developers to be effective. Our special guests from Spotify and Etsy give us their unique perspectives.
6/10/202141 minutes, 7 seconds
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Team topologies and effective software delivery

We catch up with the two co-authors of Team Topologies: Organizing Business and Technology Teams for Fast Flow to hear about their ideas on enabling enterprises to become more effective at software delivery — and the influence of Conway’s Law, team cognitive load and responsive organization evolution.
5/20/202153 minutes, 52 seconds
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How green is your cloud?

Following on from our Earth Day episode on green software engineering, we turn to the concept of Green Cloud. Reducing your IT operations’ carbon footprint is more complex than simply moving to the cloud. We explore how developers can gain insights into the energy usage of their cloud operations and the tools and techniques they can deploy to minimize their cloud-related emissions.
5/7/202129 minutes, 34 seconds
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Green software engineering

There’s increasing awareness of tech’s carbon footprint but to what extent can software developers help? Is it possible to measure the energy efficiency of your code? Can you write code that saves energy? Our podcast team unpick the art of the possible when it comes to green software engineering.
4/22/202131 minutes, 2 seconds
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Twenty years of agile

We talk to two of the signatories to the Agile Manifesto for Software Development — Jim Highsmith and Martin Fowler — to get their perspective on how the agile movement has evolved over the past two decades.
4/8/202154 minutes, 19 seconds
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Talking with tech leads with Pat Kua

The skill set needed to effectively step up to a tech lead role can be markedly different from the ones you gain as an engineer. That realization is what prompted our former colleague Pat Kua to write his book Talking with Tech Leads. Here, he shares his experiences of how to successfully navigate the journey towards becoming a tech lead.
3/25/202130 minutes, 2 seconds
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My ThoughtWorks journey: Patricia Mandarino

Our employee No. 1 talks through her experiences of winning over agile skeptics, pair programming refuseniks and TDD doubters, along with her account of the winnebago come mobile computing lab otherwise known as the mythical Thought Mobile. Neal Ford and Alexey Boas join Patricia Mandarino to hear about her ThoughtWorks journey.
3/11/202125 minutes, 55 seconds
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Exploring infrastructure as code

Our team catches up with Kief Morris to hear about the release of his updated book on infrastructure as code. They explore how tools, practices and patterns from software engineering can be applied to managing infrastructure — and how IaC has evolved in the years since Kief wrote the first volume.
2/25/202134 minutes, 35 seconds
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XR in the enterprise

Once the preserve of gaming and consumer electronics, extended reality (XR) — a combination of virtual and augmented reality — is now finding applications in the enterprise. This might be in testing and training situations or data visualizations. Here, we explore the implications this technology has for the enterprise software development lifecycle.
2/11/202125 minutes, 39 seconds
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Getting to grips with data visualization

A vast array of powerful data visualization tools are gaining traction in enterprises looking to make sense of their data sets, for instance D3, Bokeh, Shiny and Dash. In this episode, our team explores to concept of data visualization as part of a complete digital experience, with the workflows and journeys of a wide variety of users.
1/21/202142 minutes, 9 seconds
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Computational notebooks: the benefits and pitfalls

Computational notebooks — such as Jupyter and Databricks — have soared in popularity with data scientists thanks to the ease with which text, visualizations and code can be combined on a living document. But what works for the data scientist doesn’t always fit with developers’ needs. Productionizing notebooks is fraught with perils. Our podcast team explores how to use computational notebooks most effectively.
1/7/202140 minutes, 38 seconds
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The architect elevator

Our podcast team catches up with Gregor Hohpe to hear about his book The Software Architect Elevator which looks at how to connect the boardroom to the IT engine room and how architects can drive digital transformations.
12/24/202043 minutes, 51 seconds
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The future of Clojure

The Clojure programming language has seen some radical changes in recent times — not least of which is a change in stewardship of Cognitect, the company that provides technical support for Clojure. Here, we catch up with Stuart Halloway to find out what Cognitect’s acquisition by financial services firm Nubank means for the future of Clojure.
12/10/202039 minutes, 11 seconds
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The future of digital trust

Establishing who someone is and how much they can be trusted is hard — even more so on the Internet. Here, our podcast team explores some new concepts in digital trust, such as decentralized identity, privacy protection and identity ownership.
11/27/202049 minutes, 17 seconds
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Integration challenges in an ERP-heavy world — Pt 2

In the first part of this two-part episode, we looked at the challenges encountered when an agile software development mindset runs up against ERP-heavy integration environments. Here we look at some of the solutions that can ease the path toward legacy modernization.
11/12/202039 minutes, 39 seconds
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Democratizing programming

There’s growing interest in empowering non-developers to perform tasks that previously only programmers could do. This can help the enterprise deliver useful things quicker and free up developers to focus on more critical stuff. But challenges emerge when moving the citizen-developer-built applications to production scale. Our podcast team explores the possibilities and problems of democratizing programming.
10/28/202034 minutes, 53 seconds
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Integration challenges in an ERP-heavy world

Enterprise resource planning systems remain business-critical for many organizations. But these decades-old and often highly customized systems weren’t designed to operate in a modern, distributed manner. This throws up huge integration challenges when organizations want to explore how to embrace new digital opportunities. We look at how to overcome some of these challenges.
10/16/202039 minutes, 46 seconds
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Models of open sourcing software

Open source has become an important model for building interest and trust in a software project. But there’s no one-size-fits-all approach to open source. In this episode our podcasters explore different ways to approach open source and examine whether end-of-life has to mean obsolescence.
10/1/202030 minutes, 59 seconds
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Applying software engineering practices to data science

The need for high quality information at speed has never been greater thanks to competition and the impact of the global pandemic. Here, our podcast team are joined by David Colls and Danilo Sato to explore how data science is helping the enterprise respond: What new tools and techniques show promise? When does bias become a problem in data sets? What can DevOps teach data scientists about how to work?
9/17/20201 hour, 5 minutes, 56 seconds
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Using visualization tools to understand large polyglot code bases

Code visualization tools can be a great way to understand the intricacies of large code bases but they can be problematic when dealing with very old or very new code sets. Our co-hosts Rebecca Parsons and Ashok Subramanian are joined by Erik Dörnenburg and Korny Sietsma to look at the benefits and challenges of code visualization, especially when dealing with multiple programming languages.
9/3/202041 minutes, 17 seconds
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Machine learning in astrophysics

Astronomers are increasingly turning to machine learning as a means to understand more about our universe — whether that’s the formation of galaxies or the Sun’s activity. Here, our co-hosts Neal Ford and Rebecca Parsons catch up with our special guest from the National Center for Radio Astrophysics in Pune, along with a couple of ThoughtWorkers to hear more about this intersection of data science and astrophysics.
8/20/202059 minutes, 50 seconds
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Programming languages geek out

Programming languages are simultaneously a creative and an engineering medium. So how do you find the programming language that most facilitates you being creative, while enabling you to produce code that others can read? In this episode, two of our regular co-hosts, Rebecca Parsons and Neal Ford, take a deep dive into the world of programming languages.
8/6/202033 minutes, 38 seconds
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Observability does not equal monitoring

When working with modern distributed systems, complexity is a given. But how can you make observability a characteristic of your systems, such that your operators get feedback in the event of an outage? In this podcast our co-hosts Rebecca Parsons and Neal Ford talk to Bharani Subramaniam and Prasanna Pendse about the monitoring and observability in cloud-based systems.
7/23/202030 minutes, 16 seconds
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Working with 50% of code in the browser

The evolution of modern applications has seen more and more code that runs in the browser, rather than on servers or backend systems. What are the implications of this shift? Are there any lessons to be learned from the past? Our hosts Mike Mason and Rebecca Parsons are joined by Erik Dörnenburg to explore the implications of having more than 50% of code in the browser.
7/9/202028 minutes, 28 seconds
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Realising the full potential of CD

To get the full benefit of continuous delivery, it pays not to just think about delivering software into deployment, but thinking about the value that’s being delivered. In this episode, our co-hosts Alexey Boas and Rebecca Parsons are joined by ThoughtWorkers, Ken Mugrage, Arvind SV and Scott Davis, to explore continuous delivery in terms of business value — not just the number of builds that have run or pipeline instances.
6/25/202030 minutes, 8 seconds
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Testing the user journey

Great web development isn’t just about the front and backends: the experience the user has is critical to success. In this episode, our hosts Alexey Boas and Subramanian talk to Scott Davis and Zabil Cheriya Maliackal about the principles of user journey testing and the tools such as Gauge and Taiko that can help.
6/12/202036 minutes, 58 seconds
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Continuous delivery in the wild

Often, discussions around continuous delivery focus on things that cutting edge companies are doing — at the cost of ignoring those companies that are quietly succeeding with CD. Our hosts, Mike Mason and Alexey Boas caught up with software consultant Pete Hogdson to hear about his new book that explores the practices continuous delivery. The book looks at those companies succeeding with CD, and the common principles they share — such as reducing batch sizes — even while the way they apply those principles varies wildly.
6/1/202039 minutes, 33 seconds
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Lessons from a remote Tech Radar

The COVID-19 pandemic meant that for the first time in 10 years, the next volume of ThoughtWorks Technology Radar had to be created via a virtual meeting, instead of face-to-face. Our podcast team share their experiences of working on this complex and highly interactive project. They discuss how the tech held up, what was missing and what worked well.
5/13/202047 minutes, 42 seconds
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The future of Python

The increased emphasis on machine learning in the enterprise also seen resurgent interest in Python. What makes Python different from other languages? What are the main features that make it unique? And where will Python go from here? In this episode, our podcasts chat to Luciano Ramalho, from ThoughtWorks Brazil — a renowned author of books on Python — about dunder methods, fast fails and what’s new in the upcoming second edition of Fluent Python.
4/30/202033 minutes, 27 seconds
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A sensible approach to multi-cloud

When it comes to cloud, you may find that for some applications — ones you intend to maintain over a long period of time — you have to account for the possibility of changing providers in the future. Some vendors promise to make that a seamless transition — but in so doing, you might be losing out on some of the rich functionality that the cloud providers can offer. Our regular podcast host, Zhamak Dehghani talks to ThoughtWorks Australia’s Head of Technology, Scott Shaw about the cost of multi-cloud portability and explores how businesses can calculate the risks and rewards of multi-cloud.
4/17/202032 minutes, 46 seconds
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Digital transformation: a tech perspective

Digital transformation has rapidly become an over-used buzz phrase. But the concepts behind it — of putting technology expertise at the core of business leadership — remain critical to delivering new business value. Our podcast regular, Mike Mason is joined by his co-author, Gary O'Brien to talk about the practical lessons detailed in their new book, Digital Transformation Game Plan.
4/2/202029 minutes, 49 seconds
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IT delivery in unusual circumstances

When it comes to delivering IT in unusual circumstances, ThoughtWorks veteran Patrick Sarnacke has seen it all: from working through coup attempts to dealing with flooded server rooms or just pair programming with a reluctant partner. Mike Mason catches up with Pat to talk through his 20+ year journey with ThoughtWorks and the highlights of his career.
3/20/20201 hour, 6 minutes, 43 seconds
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Continuous delivery for today's enterprise

Continuous delivery has gained huge traction in the enterprise, but it means many different things to many different people. In this episode, our regular host Rebecca Parsons is joined by two special guests — and former ThoughtWorkers — Dave Farley and Jez Humble, who in 2010 co-authored the landmark text on the subject, Continuous Delivery. Together, they explore the engineering disciplines continuous delivery and look at the implications this has for the enterprise.
3/6/202029 minutes, 53 seconds
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Fundamentals of Software Architecture

Rebecca Parsons talks to Neal Ford and Mark Richards about their new book that promises to become the definitive guide to software architecture. The book provides a concise overview on what's needed to become a software architect.
2/21/202035 minutes, 24 seconds
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Cloud migration — part two

Once again, we look at the issue of cloud migration, taking a deeper dive into the process and why organizations are looking at creating platforms on top of their cloud infrastructure. Our co-hosts, Alexey Boas, Head of Technology for ThoughtWorks Brazil and Ashok Subramanian, Head of Technology ThoughtWorks UK are joined by Alexandre Goedert Head of Technology, ThoughtWorks Chile. Together, they look at the complexities of building digital platforms that can give teams sufficient freedom to innovate, while maintaining some standardization.
2/10/202033 minutes, 14 seconds
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The price of reuse

For any large, multinational enterprise, there’s a dilemma at the heart of their software architecture. Centralization promises to save costs, providing a standardized template for how to do things and not waste effort reinventing the wheel. But local markets have unique characteristics, whether that’s customer behavior, regulations or the competitive landscape. In this episode, our co-hosts Alexey Boas and Zhamak Dehghani are joined by Sriram Narayan, an advisory consultant for ThoughtWorks India. Together, they explore the price of reuse: the challenges and trade offs for architects that arise from a centralized blueprint for IT.
1/24/202031 minutes, 34 seconds
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Towards self-serve infrastructure

Traditional, centralized approaches to infrastructure management risk creating organizational friction and bottlenecks for dev teams. By defining a standardized tech stack, you immediately make it harder to satisfy your teams’ diverse needs. A self-serve approach can enable teams to tailor infrastructure to their particular needs. But how can you deliver a self-serve infrastructure without paving the way for chaos and ensure the appropriate guardrails are in place? In this episode, our regular co-hosts Neal Ford and Mike Mason are joined by Evan Bottcher, Head of Technology, ThoughtWorks Australia and Zhamak Dehghani, Technology Principal, ThoughtWorks North America, to explore how to benefit from self-service options.
1/13/202027 minutes, 21 seconds
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Martin Fowler: my ThoughtWorks journey

In the latest episode, our regular co-hosts Rebecca Parsons and Neal Ford are joined by colleague and software luminary, Martin Fowler, to talk about his journey with ThoughtWorks. Together they explore Martin’s life before ThoughtWorks, how he came to join and what it is that’s persuaded him to stay for more than 20 years. They also delve into how Martin’s bliki emerged as an essential guide to all things software and about his passion for enabling everyone to take more control of their computers — and how to do so while maintaining things like code quality and maintainability.
12/27/201928 minutes, 59 seconds
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Building an autonomous drone

Everyone knows the adage: move fast and break things. But there are a few fields of endeavour where it is quite so apt as the world of drones. In this episode, our co-hosts Neal Ford and Zhamak Dehghani talk to data scientist, Emily Gorcenski and head of product innovation, Jeremy Abbett, both from ThoughtWorks Germany about their project to build intelligent, autonomous drones. Together they explore the ramifications of writing code in a new, constrained hardware environment, and where faulty code can have huge project ramifications. And yes, there have been a few breakages. 
12/13/201945 minutes, 10 seconds
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Cloud migration is a journey not a destination

The allure of cloud, with its promises of cost benefits, greater stability and more recently as the lynchpin of digital transformation, is well understood. But if such promises are to be realized, tech leaders need to think beyond just lifting and shifting on-prem applications into the cloud. In this episode, we’re delighted to welcome a new co-host to our team: Ashok Subramanian, Head of Technology, ThoughtWorks UK. He’s joined by our regular host Alexey Boas and special guest, Alexandre Goedert, Head of Technology, ThoughtWorks Chile. Together they explore what cloud migration means today, now that the big three cloud platform providers have practically met feature parity. They look at the implications of cloud-to-cloud migration and help uncover some of the hidden costs.
11/28/201932 minutes, 20 seconds
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Getting to grips with functional programming

Any developer that’s moved from an object-oriented language to a functional one knows how disconcerting the shift can be. It demands a completely different mindset. In this episode, our regular co-hosts Neal Ford and Alexey Villas Boas talk to Gregorio Melo about functional programming. He’s just written a book about functional programming, using Clojure as its basis.  Together they explore why developers choose to learn functional languages and how they can make the learning curve less daunting.
11/14/201926 minutes, 53 seconds
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Compliance as code

These days, it can seem that everything is being done as code. But compliance as code isn’t just some fad: it’s about automating compliance processes so that they become more transparent and ensuring any compliance issues that arise can be quickly dealt with. In today’s episode, our host Rebecca Parsons talks to Satyam Argawala a Lead Consultant at ThoughtWorks Australia about compliance as code: what it means, why it’s necessary and where to start.
11/1/201922 minutes, 10 seconds
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Data meshes: a distributed domain-oriented data platform

Over the years, there have been numerous approaches to data management: from data warehouses and data marts to data lakes — collating data in a central place. Today, we see many failure modes when it comes to building big data platforms, with organizations stuck in building data architectures such as data lakes that never deliver business value. In our latest episode, we explore the ideas of data meshes, an alternative approach to serve and surface data organizationally. Our regular co-hosts Mike Mason and Neal Ford talk to Ken Collier, Head of Data Science and Engineering at ThoughtWorks, and Zhamak Dehghani, one of our regular co-hosts and also a Principal Consultant, with a focus on distributed systems architecture.
10/18/201931 minutes, 37 seconds
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Edge — a guide to value-driven digital transformation

Everyone knows that tech has upended the business rulebook. But for all the exhortations to go digital, there’s been scant practical advice on how to do it. Until now. In our latest episode, regular host Mike Mason is joined by ThoughtWorkers Jim Highsmith, Linda Luu and David Robinson to hear about their new book EDGE — value driven digital transformation. The book outlines an operating model that helps companies become holistically agile so that every part of the business — from culture to leadership to tech to product — can adapt and evolve at the speed of change.
10/4/201928 minutes, 11 seconds
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Tech choices: CIO or CTO?

The technology choices that businesses make are fast becoming key factors in creating great products and great customer experiences. But who should be responsible for those choices: the CIO or the CTO. Our regular co-hosts Zhamak Dehghani and Mike Mason are joined by ThoughtWorks’ very own CTO (and erstwhile podcast host) Rebecca Parsons and principal consultant, Marcelo de Santis, who has previously been both a CIO and CTO at large multinational companies. Together they explore how modern businesses can get the technology leadership they need.
9/20/201938 minutes, 52 seconds
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Microservices as complex adaptive systems

The theories of complex adaptive systems devised by the Santa Fe Institute have been used to draw out surprising patterns in the world around us — such as biology in mammals or revenue growth in retail stores. James Lewis, a principal consultant at ThoughtWorks, has been exploring how to apply such thinking to technology, in particular the practices and characteristics that underpin successful uses of microservices. Join our regular host Mike Mason to hear more about the surprising world of complex adaptive systems, and what technologists can learn from it.
9/5/201932 minutes, 40 seconds
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Supporting the Citizen Developer

Who wouldn’t want to empower individuals and teams to solve problems as they encounter them? It’s a natural instinct for many developer-led organizations. But as phenomena like Shadow IT or skunkworks have shown, there can be a downside: a lack of coordination over what gets tackled and maintaining solutions over the long term. In this episode, our co-hosts, Rebecca Parsons and Zhamak Dehghani, are joined by Andy Yates, Head of Strategy at ThoughtWorks TechOps, to explore the idea of the Citizen Developer. They look at ways of supporting problem-solving go-getters, while giving them the tools to ensure their efforts are aligned to business needs.
8/22/201931 minutes
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Getting hands-on with RESTful web services

In this episode, our co-hosts Neal Ford and Rebecca Parsons catch up with Biharck Muniz Araújo, a principal consultant at ThoughtWorks Brazil, to hear about his new book Hands-On RESTful Web Services with TypeScript 3, a guide to designing, developing, scaling and deploying RESTful APIs for your applications. Together they explore why the book was written and how REST has continued to evolve, as well as the established patterns and best practices.
8/8/201922 minutes, 42 seconds
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Zhong Tai: innovation in enterprise platforms from China

A radical approach to enterprise IT is emerging in China — a cloud-based approach to encapsulated business models that enables small enterprises to steal a march on larger competitors and also enables long-established firms to go digital. The concept is almost unheard of outside China, and in this episode, our co-host Neal Ford and Mike Mason are joined by two ThoughtWorkers from China — Xu Hao, Head of Technology for ThoughtWorks China and Liu Shangqi, Frontline Consultant — to delve into the ideas behind Zhong Tai.
7/25/201935 minutes, 51 seconds
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What’s so cool about micro frontends?

While much recent attention has fallen on the use of microservices for building server-side software, many enterprises still struggle with monolithic frontend codebases. In this episode, our regular host Rebecca Parsons talks to Cam Jackson, a senior consultant at ThoughtWorks Australia.    They explore the trend of breaking up a web application into decoupled micro frontends, and how such an architecture can improve delivery quality and efficiency for the teams working on frontend code.
7/11/201925 minutes, 14 seconds
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Unravelling the monoglot monopoly

Most organizations today face tension over how many programming languages they should support. But standardizing on just one is likely to be limiting — particularly when many enterprises favor giving dev teams a degree of autonomy. So if one is too few, how many is too many?  In this episode, our co-hosts Rebecca Parsons and Mike Mason are joined by Evan Bottcher, Technical Principal at ThoughtWorks Australia. Together they explore how enterprises can make practical decisions about language choices, so that their developers have the right tools for the right jobs. How can you put in place guard rails that ensure you’re able to maintain standards while giving developers enough autonomy? 
6/27/201916 minutes, 11 seconds
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Breaking down the barriers to innovation

In today’s intensely competitive markets, most business leaders recognize the imperative to innovate. But that recognition doesn’t always lead to results. Many companies still struggle to deliver meaningful innovation — something that adds value to their customers. Our regular podcast host Alexey Boas is joined by Swapnil Deshpande, Global Head of Product Innovation and Incubation at ThoughtWorks. Together they explore how to break down the barriers to innovation, using practical examples from ThoughtWorks’ internal TechOps incubator initiative.
6/13/201952 minutes, 19 seconds