Financial Copywriter Sean MacIntyre is our guest for the 372nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We had the opportunity to hang out with Sean at the Copy Legends Lockdown Event and were intrigued by what he had to say about A.I., positioning yourself as an expert authority, and how to get better at copywriting. There's some great advice here that Sean shares from his mentors as well as direction on how to read a sales page so you learn from it. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Small Group Coaching The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Full Transcript: Rob Marsh:  You’ve heard the good and bad about the future of copywriting and content writing. AI is going to take all of our jobs. Or conversely, it’s the greatest opportunity ever to come along… at least for the copywriters ready to take advantage of the new technology. And then there’s the economy, which for many h

Femtech Copywriter Lanae Carmichael is our guest for the 371st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, and Kira and Rob asked her about finding her niche and framework (which Kira got a little too much pleasure from making Rob name), user testing copy before you present it to the client, and how she landed 50% of the work she did this year from other copywriters. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. A few links related to this show that you should definitely click: Lanae's Website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Full Transcript: Rob Marsh:  What’s your best source of leads? Where do the majority of your clients come from? As you look back on the past year, it’s a question worth thinking about. Do clients easily find you based on your social media presence or your LinkedIn profile? Do you seek out the people and brands you want to work with and pitch them on a project? Or maybe you benefit from referrals from pas

Copywriter Justin Goff is the guest for the 370th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. He typically works 3-4 hours a day on his business, so Kira and Rob asked about that and what he does to ensure work doesn't creep into the rest of his day. Actually we talked about a lot more than that. To hear what Justin shared, click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript.   Full Transcript: Rob Marsh: Most of us have a dream of reaching that level in our business where we call all the shots. We’ve got a little bit of money saved, so we’re not dependent on the feast and famine cycle. And we’ve created a business where we only work 3-4 hours a day… when we want. As I said, for most copywriters and content creators, this is still a dream. But there are more than a handful of copywriters who have achieved this. It is do-able. And given the rewards, it’s a goal worth pursuing. Hi, I’m Rob Marsh, one of the founders of The Copywriter Club. And on today’s episode of

This is 369th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. And today Kira and Rob talk in depth about writing sales pages. They share their formulas for writing, how they landed their first sales page assignments, and the best ways to improve your skills when it comes to writing sales pages. You definitely don't want to miss this episode. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript.     Full Transcript: As content writers and copywriters gain experience and work on different types of projects, many of them express interest in doing less content work like blog posts and more sales copy work. There are a lot of reasons for this. One big reason is that sales pages are closely tied to the sale of the product or service you are writing about, so it’s easier to justify charging higher prices for the work you do. The sales page leads directly to the sale, where a blog post or case study may be a couple of steps away. Hi, I’m Rob Marsh, one of the founders of

This episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is all about what we learned from participating in the Copy Legends Lock-in Event, The Top One Mastermind, TCC IRL in London and our own Think Tank Retreat in London. There's something in this episode for everyone, from copywriting tips to ideas for better supporting your clients and interacting with members of your team to be more effective. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript.   Full Transcript: You’ve heard us talk about the impact that masterminds and events can have on your business. It’s why we talk about The Copywriter Think Tank so often. It’s why we organize retreats and IRL events just about every year. And we don’t just say that because we produce our own events. From the beginning of The Copywriter Club, Kira and I have both belonged to several masterminds from people like Brian Kurtz, Jeresia Hawk, and Todd Brown. And we’ve attended events around the country to add to our own business and

On the 367th episode of The Copywriter Club, Russ Henneberry joins the show to chat all about SEO. Russ is the founder of theCLIKK, a free daily email newsletter covering digital business topics. He shares strategies copywriters can use to increase website traffic and how they can keep up with the evolving digital marketing landscape. It’s an episode you’ll want to keep handy.  Here’s what you’ll find out:  How Russ went from teacher to marketer and SEO expert.  When he was introduced to the world of digital marketing and SEO. Why skills like content marketing and copywriting are essential in today’s landscape.  The impact of AI on search behavior and the everchanging search experience. What copywriters can do to optimize their chances of ranking in online searches.  How to customize dedicated webpages for various niches to increase discoverability.  What is link building and why is it important? Why your content needs to be thorough and how to create a con

On the 366th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, website copywriter and niche extraordinaire, Masha Koyen joins the show. We walk through Masha’s journey from a demanding corporate marketing career to a thriving copywriting business. She shares her “REVEAL” framework, a six-step process that helps her attract high-value clients, and how copywriters can build their business from scratch.  Tune into the episode to find out more about: Masha’s transition from corporate marketing director to website copywriter for interior designers.  When do you know it’s time to pivot or go off on your own? How she unexpectedly gained her first clients and how she markets her business today.  Burnout after 3 months?! How she navigated the early stages of entrepreneurship.  How she decided to niche down both vertically and horizontally. Her methods to delving into her audience’s pain points and challenges.  Where she found clients in a hyper-specific market and how she began

On the 365th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Rob and Kira sit down with seasoned copywriter, John Bejakovic. With a background in IT, John made his way into copywriting and now has a daily email newsletter. This episode dives into the underlying principles that make copywriting effective and how copywriters can position themselves in an evolving industry. Here’s how the conversation goes: Why do marketers gatekeep this book? All will be revealed – no gatekeeping here. How a 500-word blog post changed John’s career path.  Why he decided to become a published author on Amazon.  The importance of having an email list. When should you pivot your business? Why an email list is the fastest way to grow as a copywriter.  Should you create a niche-specific newsletter? (plus how to decide which niche to focus on) John’s monetization strategy and how he’s grown his newsletter.  How do magic, persuasion, and copywriting overlap and work together? What’s t

Lauren Hermann is our guest on the 364th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Lauren is a speech-language pathologist (SLP) turned copywriter who now owns and operates The Copy Clinicians, a small copywriting agency for the healthcare industry. Lauren's journey from scrub life to "scribe" life has led to surprising results and a desire to teach other clinicians how to become copywriters in their niche. Listen to the episode to find out: How writing a book on speech-language pathology introduced Lauren to the world of copywriting.  The two pitch emails that almost landed her a forward by a renowned surgeon. Why we don’t always need a ‘yes’ to be successful.  How to take rejection and thrive.  What do people misunderstand about speech-language pathology? How SLPs and copywriters are similar and how Lauren merges the two worlds.  The importance of looking at objective and subjective data.  How she found her first set of clients on Upwork and through a Faceb

On the 363rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Eden Bidani hops on the show to chat all things conversion, sales conversations, and pitching prospects. Eden is a conversion copywriter and messaging strategist who uses her anthropology background to get to the root message that’ll attract the right customers to the right offer. Tune into the episode to find out: How Eden went from selling cosmetics to writing blogs.  Why she slowly raised her prices and how it built her confidence.  Here’s the truth about pitching and some practical advice you can apply.  Why you need to be emotionally distant from your pitches.  The importance of making promises you know you can keep and how it can impact your business.  Should you start doing this in your sales calls?  How to guide your sales calls while letting your prospect take the lead.  The process for writing an advertorial.  How her background in anthropology has shaped her research process. Are you read

On the 362nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Alex Thompson takes the mic to chat all things LinkedIn. Alex is a website and email copywriter who gains the majority of his clients on LinkedIn by creating parody content. You’ll walk away from this episode with tangible steps you can use to create a LinkedIn strategy that works for you. Tune into the episode to discover: How Alex went from teacher to farm worker to copywriter.  Why it’s okay to leave a profession you thought was your end all be all.  Alex’s discovery of The Copywriter Club Podcast, and how it helped him grow his business.  How he uses LinkedIn as his primary source to find clients.  The significance of curating the right kind of LinkedIn feed for your mental state.  How to embrace the “sucky” beginnings of anything new.  Why every copywriter needs to acquire this trait.  Offers you can service and skill stack to gain clients.  What most copywriters get wrong when they start thei

  Abi’s early beginnings on Upwork and how she got kicked off the platform.  How she uses Facebook groups to land and secure clients.  Why she decided to invest in herself and her business.  The switch she made from live launching to evergreen launching. The truth behind a “bad” launch and how to learn from it.  How she increased her rates after 30 sales pages and hundreds of emails.  What’s the real reason behind an unsuccessful launch? The power behind having a strategic mindset.  Why you cannot ignore feedback loops and how they’ll increase conversions.  How talking to the wrong people can make great copy fall flat.  Tune into the episode by hitting the play button. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: The Accelerator waitlist The Copywriter Think Tank Kira’s website Rob’s website Abi's website The Copyw

Ali Rector joins the show on the 360th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Ali is a cycle-syncing coach and copywriter who gained her expertise from years of agency copywriting. She sheds light on the importance of not letting your ego interfere with your work and how to build a strong creative process to become the best copywriter you can be. Tune into the episode to find out: How Ali quickly grew her skillset and became a lead agency copywriter Her path from agency copywriter to freelance copywriter. The follow-up email that landed her a high-paying contract.  The ins and outs of the creative process at an agency.  How to communicate your vision to your team. What characteristics make copywriters successful? Why it’s a good thing for everyone to have a different creative process.  How to spark creativity as a freelance copywriter.  Why she decided to pivot into coaching and how she made the transition.  How The Copywriter Accelerator helped Ali

Erica Salm Rench is our guest on the 359th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Erica is the COO of Rasa.io, an AI tool used to personalize and streamline email newsletters. She shares insights about the world of AI and how although there’s no slowing it down, how copywriters can use AI to optimize their systems and processes in their own businesses and use it as a competitive edge in a crowded marketplace. Here’s what you’ll find: What exactly is Rasa.io, and how does it work? Why email is still powerful and why you need an email newsletter.  The importance of client feedback and how AI can streamline your process. How to incorporate the use of AI in your business model and packages.  The similarities between a sales conversation and offering value.  Do your discovery questions need a facelift? How to intertwine human relationships with the use of AI.  Need a reason to create a bank of content? Here’s why.  How to repurpose your content and save your

On the 358th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, we’re covering all things law and your business. Taylor Tieman, Esq. joins the show to give copywriters actionable steps they can take to legally protect their business. Legal is an unavoidable part of running a business, and Taylor breaks it down in an approachable way. Tune into the episode to find out: The pitfalls of not having a proper contract in place. The difference between owning your copy and the right to use it in your portfolio.  Can you have 50/50 ownership of the copy you write? What is an intellectual property clause and how can you add it to your contract? What if you need to end the project abruptly?  The specific clauses copywriters need to have in their contracts.  When do you actually need to enforce the contract? LLC vs. S-Corp: Which one is right for your business? The 3 most important legal aspects to protect your business.  Why you may need a trademark and the different level

Angela Morris is our guest on the 357th episode of The Copywriter Club. Angela is a makeup artist turned copywriter and digital marketing strategist who teaches her clients how to quiet quit Instagram, so they can save time and energy in their businesses. This episode breaks down her strategy and framework for how to take a step back from social media while continuing to grow your impact and your business. Here’s what you’ll find in the episode: How to solve problems your audience actually is struggling with. Where she found her first set of social media clients in the midst of losing all her makeup industry gigs.  Why you should channel what makes you angry.  Is palatable still sellable?  How she went from writing captions to strategizing business messaging.  The importance of having good perception as a copywriter.  What is Quiet Quitting Instagram? Angela’s strategy for Quiet Quitting Instagram and how it’s affected her business.  Is Kira quitting Ins

Katelyn Collins joins us on the 356th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. With a background in theater, Katelyn has transferred her many talents into the world of copywriting. Now she writes for 7-figure course creators and is a copywriting educator to those looking to improve their writing chops. Tune into the episode to find out: How an actor ignited a passion for email marketing. What are darlings and how can you cut them in your copy? The importance of throughlines and how they build decisiveness as a copywriter.  Katelyn’s inside scoop on what it’s like to work for start–ups.  When diving head first into your business… Where do you start to find clients? The delicate balance between being the dreamer and generator in your business.  What’s really on the other side of uncomfortable pivots and changes in our lives and businesses?  The perspective shift every entrepreneur needs to make.  How to recover from burnout and notice when it starts to cree

On the 355th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob take the mic to talk about the 5 critical moves copywriters need to make to build, grow, and scale a successful copywriting business. If this year has got you questioning your business, this episode is for you. Here’s what you’ll learn: How to “flip the switch” in your business.  What successful copywriters know that struggling copywriters don’t.  Why you need to build an operating system to support your goals.  How to define your X-factor… The very thing that makes you stand out.  The steps to create your ideal client and discover the problems they want to be solved. How to find the right pricing model for your business.  Why having a signature service will make you more revenue. The importance of processes and systems and how to begin to build them.  Why systems are the solution to imposter complex.  How to improve your sales skills without feeling sleazy.  The 4 mistakes copywri

Brenna McGowan is our guest on the 354th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Brenna is a social media manager turned email copywriter and launch strategist who helps her clients implement prelaunch methods that generate greater awareness and sales. If you want to create natural momemtum before your launch, you'll want to listen to Brenna's behind-the-curtain insights. Here's what you'll find: Why Brenna transitioned from social media marketing to email marketing. How she repositioned her business in a new industry and grew an online presence.  The process she created for validating her offer and expertise.  Why she niched into prelaunch and how it can benefit the overall launch of a product or service. What’s so important about your “why?” What are you supposed to do after you pivot your business? Being good at things vs being passionate about them.  How Brenna uses the LEAP process to help entrepreneurs find their sweet spot to achieve their goals. 

On the 353rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Lindsay Hyatt joins the show to talk about how to make strategic pivots in your business and step into the spotlight with confidence. Lindsay is a copywriter and empowerment coach who helps her clients build a stand-out personal brand. Before she built her business, she worked in radio ads and healthcare marketing, and she was a 5th-grade teacher before jumping ship to start her own blog, so she knows a thing or two about making big pivots. Listen in to find out: How do you know when it’s time to pivot in your business… or life? The steps Lindsay took to meet her salary within a couple of months.  How to create a writing habit and build your portfolio.  The benefits of setting aside your pride and putting yourself out there.  What’s the key to building a personal brand? Her Instagram philosophy for growth and building an audience.  What to do when it’s hard to show up on social media.  General content pil

Chris Mason is our guest on the 352nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Chris is a direct-response marketer who wrote a companion book to Breakthrough Advertising by Eugene Schwartz called, Breakthrough Advertising Mastery. Chris breaks down his process for writing this book and he gives actionable tips for copywriters can use today. Tune into the episode to find out: What similarities are there between songwriting and direct response marketing? Why you need to build your “sitting down” muscle.  How Chris landed Brian Kurtz as a client and how their partnership grew.  What is the 40/40/20 mix?  The best process for context switching and juggling multiple projects at a time.  How to get better at decision-making and what that means for your business.  Determining your audience’s mass desire and understanding market sophistication.  When do you incorporate a unique mechanism? Two techniques to better understand your audience and their needs.  How

Jess Kelly is our guest on the 351st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. She is a copywriter who helps conscientious brands build authentic and true-to-them businesses through brand and marketing strategies. From shifts in careers and misdiagnoses, Jess’s journey highlights the benefits of personal growth and becoming different and new versions of yourself along the way.   Listen to the episode to find out:   Why Jess dropped out of journalism.  Experimentation vs expectation – why does it matter?  The permission slip you need to give yourself – like yesterday.  How she fell into copywriting and her career paths to get there.  The 10-minute call that landed her inside of The Copywriter Accelerator.  What’s the secret to building better interview skills?  Why you need to start showing up and how it’s going to pay off.  The diagnoses that helped Jess make sense of her identity and experience.  How to connect with more people in yo

350 episodes and over 1.5 million downloads later, Rob and Kira sit down to chat about... pitching (and phones?). From setting intentions for a new season to setting your business up for success in Q3, you'll walk away from this episode with ideas and actionable steps you can use right now  in your business. Catch up with Rob and Kira to find out: The sure-fire way to gain clients in Q3.  How Kira’s flip-phone project is going. Creating a theme for a new season.  What summer on this side of the globe means for Rob and Kira. What’s new with TCC this summer? The do’s and don’t’s of pitching and why copywriters need to focus on this instead.  Is your ego getting in the way of new clients? What business activities can help you come out of a slow season? How are copywriters getting paid right now? What’s new on the AI for Creative Entrepreneurs podcast?

On the 349th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Michelle Pollack joins the show to completely shatter your perception of the inner critic and how something as “simple” as values can truly change how you show up in your life and business. Michelle is an Executive and Leadership Coach who shares her expertise in how to give yourself permission to play bigger and live the life you desire. Follow along to find out: How Michelle was able to change the neural pathways in her brain. What to do when the “is this all there is” feeling pops up and how to step out of it.  The importance of values and how to define them for yourself.  Can you have too many values and how to prioritize values for different seasons of life?  Is there such a thing as balance?  How to LIVE within your values once you’ve actually identified them despite life’s responsibilities.  The #1 barrier to facing your own inner critic.  7 ways the inner critic could be showing up in your life.

Dan Nelken is our guest on the 348th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Dan is a copywriter and author of A Self-Help Guide for Copywriters. If you’re a creative, you may have fallen into the inner critic rabbit hole that keeps you in a cycle of stuck. But Dan gives practical and actionable steps to move away from creative burnout and into a process that helps you turn surface-level ideas into substance. Tune into the episode to find out: Dan’s experience in ad school and how it shaped his expertise and portfolio.  The grind that turned into a sustainable copywriting career. How to come up with ideas without letting self-doubt, inner critic, and the feeling of stuck get in the way.  The bucket exercise – how to trick your brain into creating ideas.  What’s the creative process and what tools are useful? The two reasons procrastination is keeping you from total creativity.  Why you should use AI to feel inspired rather than disposable.  How to create a

On the 347th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Linda Perry makes her FOURTH appearance on the show. This episode acts as a friendly reminder to take care of your mindset especially in times of financial uncertainty and business (and life) plateaus. Linda shares how we can continue to grow our mindset toolbelt, so we can stop getting in our own way. Here’s how the episode goes: How Linda’s work has changed over the last few years.  Her dream of moving to Europe and how she made it happen.  What’s the challenge with selling something like mindset? The real reason you keep coming back to your mindset struggles.  How finding your why will help you craft messaging and communicate better.  What tools should copywriters add to their business?  Here’s the real problem with continually purchasing courses and programs.  The 5 traps keeping you from business confidence.  What’s the difference between worth base and value base? Are we telling ourselves a st

Dr. Rebecca Fortgang is our guest on the 346th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Dr. Becky is a clinical psychologist, an instructor at Harvard Medical School, and a research scientist at Massachusetts General Hospital. Just a light background, huh? Kira knew Dr. Becky had to be on the show after taking her class, and she did not disappoint. Take a peek inside the conversation: Is willpower a muscle? What’s all the debate around willpower?  What do willpower and love have in common? Researching topics with inconclusive and incomplete data – this work has to start somewhere.  Tools creative entrepreneurs can use to be more productive. Why do people really quit on their goals? What to do when lapses happen and what are they trying to tell us? How to avoid spiraling and what we should do instead.  What’s a goal cleanse?  Are you a failure if you quit a long-term goal? How to find alternate goals if you can’t let goals go.  The clear-cut approach

Kate Hollis is our guest on the 345th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Kate is a copywriter and sales strategist whose alter ego is a librarian, but her skillset doesn’t stop there. Fueled by curiosity, she’s also on track to become a certified Enneagram practitioner. With her “hummingbird” mindset, she emphasizes the value of leading a curiosity-driven life, and how it can lead to a more fulfilling life and business. Here’s how the conversation goes: What’s the bus metaphor and how does it apply to business? Kate’s path to copywriting and owning a business. Why creating connections with others will help you become a better copywriter.  How to create an identity outside of your business.  Is simple messaging underrated? How to build your intellectual and emotional muscles. What is the Enneagram?  How books will help you become a more compassionate salesperson.  The benefits of using the Enneagram in your messaging and how it’ll benefit your ideal

Paulo Faustino is our guest on the 344th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Paulo is a serial entrepreneur and digital marketing expert who shares his experience in building and scaling businesses even in the midst of chaos. From writing 550 articles for $100 to scaling a millionaire-dollar business, Paulo shares insights all business owners can glean. Tune into the episode to find out: How a gut feeling kept him on the path to entrepreneurship. How he scaled his business to a million dollars and why it took an extreme hit.  The pivot he made to save his business and grow his audience.  What is affiliate marketing and how can it benefit your business? How to navigate a financial loss and why fear cannot stop you from moving forward.  This reality of business can make or break you.  The 4 foundational pieces your business need to thrive. Why marketing and authority go hand in hand? When does the sale really start?  The effects of a world-class cli

We’re bringing Brittany McBean back for the 343rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. It’s been 3 years since Brittany’s been on the show and a lot of has changed for her and her business. From highs and lows of building a 6-figure business, she’s completely transparent in her journey and how other copywriters can use her wisdom to grow their own business. Here’s how the conversation goes:  Why Brittany works on long projects and what it does for her client retention.  The benefits of having a highly-automated inquiry process.  Why she’s not looking for a 500k year but this instead.  The raw and real downsides of business.  Her hiring process – why you need to know what you need and how to hire based on two specific criteria.  The imposter complex pops up even for high-level copywriters? What is a malleable role and how can it fit into your business (with boundaries)? How to be a better leader to your team when things are falling off track. Her pro

Rob and Kennedy of Email Marketing Heroes are our guests on the 342nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. With backgrounds in hypnotism and mentalism, they steered away from traditional marketing and into the world of email marketing. With great success, they began teaching other entertainers how to use the power of email and have since expanded into teaching business owners and entrepreneurs how to use email to its fullest potential. Here’s how the conversation goes: The reality of human influence and psychological triggers.  How to excel at sales calls and turn them into a formality.  Why you want to get the ‘no’ as soon as possible.  The benefits of having an email list and having control of your house.  The value behind honest and transparent communication during sales calls. Should your potential clients fill out an application? What if someone isn’t a good fit for your program or service? Why you shouldn’t be attached to outcomes in business. 

Alyssa Burkus is our guest on the 341st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Alyssa is a thought leadership and content marketer. She started her business after being faced with asking life’s big questions after a chronic cancer prognosis but has defied the odds over and over again by building a business that works for her, her health, and her family. While we may not all be faced with life-threatening illnesses, we all face uncertainty and downsides. Alyssa shares the systems she has in place to look after what matters most. Here’s how the conversation goes: How her background in a global change consulting company has impacted her copywriting career.  Why she leaned into thought leadership and authority building as her area of specialization.  What really is thought leadership and how is it different from other forms of content marketing? Is all content marketing created equal? Tools to cope with uncertainty.  The importance of energy management for your pers

Rob and Kira sit down on the 340th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast to chat about a few episodes that have stood out to them over the last 5 years. Yup, they’re jumping all the way back in the archives to tap into what still applies to today’s copywriting arena and how you can use past insight to your business today. Here’s how the conversation goes: The copywriting event happening in London in 2023. The FREE A.I. challenge being hosted THIS week. Rob and Kira’s new A.I for Creative Entrepreneurs podcast. Why Joel Klettke didn’t start with beginner rates and jumped straight into value rates? How to turn mindset and confidence into action. The difference between an employee mindset and an entrepreneurial mindset. Do you need a portfolio to start charging higher rates? How to shift our mindset around the imposter complex. The benefits of imposter complex. The 12 lies of the imposter complex and what to do about it. What is The Stone Soup tale a

Dave Harland is our guest on the 339th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. After starting a career as a soccer (or should we say football) reporter in Manchester, Dave shifted to the world of copywriting where he’s known for coming up with big ideas and a method to execute them. In this episode, you’ll find out exactly how he makes it happen. You’ll also learn: How Dave improved his copy skills with limited technology capabilities. Why he branded himself using “word” rather than “copy.” How he organized his portfolio when he first started his business. A typical day in the life of Dave and how he balances client work with his own business goals. Why writers need time to simmer in their thoughts and why they shouldn’t rush the critical thinking process. How to get bigger brands to notice you. The 3 question test Dave uses when coming up with a big idea. How many projects are too many projects? His method for attracting clients and building his brand u

Corrie Myers is a website copywriter and messaging strategist who acts as a thought partner for her clients. After 15 years in the education field, she made the shift to copy and has found ways to incorporate her leadership and teaching expertise into her business. She’s built a successful business over the last few years by leading with empathy and setting clear boundaries. Here’s how the conversation goes: Corrie’s career shift from teacher to copywriter. Building a business as a parent of three and how she balances work and life. The skills she’s brought from her teaching career into copywriting. Why she treats her own business as a client and why you should, too. The benefits of having less hours to do something. How she built confidence in making big life changes. Being a thought partner for your clients – how do you position yourself as the go-to? How the Think Tank has helped transform Corrie’s business. Why you should pinpoint gaps your clients m

Carolyn McMurray is our guest on the 337th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Carolyn is a copywriter and host of a community designed for generation Z to learn about copywriting. But how does one start a community and grow towards 100+ members? Tune into the episode to find out. You’ll also discover: Carolyn’s accidental discovery of copywriting and how she landed her first gig. Her advice for getting her business started if she had to do it all over again. How she fell into the tech niche. Why she decided to build and grow a community for gen Z? What’s her community all about and how does she benefit from it? Should you label yourself as a junior copywriter? When she increased her rates and began to build her reputation and brand. How to create a copywriting portfolio that stands out. Where she gathers inspiration to write her list weekly. Why she doesn’t take herself too seriously and how it benefits her brand. Carolyn’s advice for building

John Forde is a direct-response copywriter and co-author of the book, Great Leads and the person behind the long-running newsletter called the Copywriter’s Roundtable. John shared his process for getting started with research and copy and the lessons he’s learned from his 23-year copywriting career. Here’s how the episode goes: John’s approach to research – how much do you really need to get started? What does it mean for your copy to be invisible? Do you need to invest in another copywriting formula? How often do you need to check in with your writing process and method? The difference between divergent and convergent thinking and how to use each in copywriting. Why the warm-up is essential to writing your best copy. The benefits of reverse engineering outlines in different copywriting assets. How speed can benefit your copy and emulate positive energy. John’s process for feeding his brain from morning to night. How fiction books can help you develop

Paul Roetzer is our guest on the 335th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Paul is the host of The Marketing Artificial Intelligence Show and Founder & CEO of the Marketing AI Institute. He shares how AI can be used as a tool to increase efficiency and help grow your business. Here’s what you’ll find out: The impact AI is having on children and future generations. Is AI stealing imagination? The 3 questions you need to ask yourself as a creative using AI. Can we avoid using AI? The effects of AI-generated content and the natural human need. Low-cost and free access tools to start experimenting with AI. The areas copywriters should focus on and how they can leverage them. Should you shift your title? How to become a more efficient writer. Finding trusted voices to learn from to become more confident in AI. What AI cannot take away from copywriters. How to rid yourself of the fear that come with the never-ending updates, changes, and shifts in

Sam Woods is our guest on the 334th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Sam is a copywriter who’s been leveraging AI for copywriting since 2019. This episode dives into how AI is going to integrate into our personal and professional lives over the next decade, and Sam shares how copywriters can use it to their advantage. Take a peek at what we chat out: How will AI create and eliminate jobs and reshape the economy. What capabilities does ChatGPT have and how can copywriters leverage it in their business? How Sam uses AI in his client projects and his process for writing sales copy. Using ChatGPT prompts for market research. What ChatGPT is and what it’s not. Can ChatGPT really write in your voice? Treating ChatGPT like a junior copywriter. Is AI a tool for creativity on tap? How to present using AI to a client. What else can AI actually do? Why your input matters more than anything. The benefits and value of using AI in your creative busines

Juliet Peay is our guest on the 333rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Juliet is a personal brand coach and copywriter who helps her clients “unfrankenstein” themselves, so they can show up authentically online. When it comes to building a business, your personal brand can be the key to attracting your ideal clients. Here’s how the conversation went: Why Juliet decided to start a blog about local business and how it opened up a full-time job opportunity. Freelancing on the side and when she felt ready take the leap in her business. Doing something because you think you’re supposed to. Going from a reactive to a proactive client search and why mindset plays a key role. Finding the right social media platform for your business. Do you have to send hard pitches? Building relationships with people using LinkedIn. How Juliet landed a ghostwriting retainer project. The fine line between personal branding and copywriting. Her personal branding process

Chloe Barnes is our guest on the 332nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Chloe is a copywriter and creator coach who made her freelance gig a full-time income. After going viral on a little platform known as TikTok, Chloe has been able to grow her business by building her personal brand. But what makes good content and how can you use the platform to your advantage? Tune into the episode to find out… You’ll also hear: Why she ended up studying abroad in Sweden and how it changed the projection of her career. Starting a travel blog and getting a full-time content marketing job out of it. How she maintained working a 9-5 and a 5-9. Why she ended up on TikTok in the first place. How she blew up on TikTok on two different occasions and booked out her calendar. Why you need to be okay with the long game and how to be consistent. How she builds her personal brand on TikTok rather than her copywriting expertise. Her process for posting on TikTok and her cont

Anne-Laure Le Cunff is our guest on the 331st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. After deciding to go back to school to study neuroscience, Anne-Laure created a newsletter that turned into the thriving business known as Ness Labs, a science-based learning community to become more creative and productive without the burnout. Anne-Laure shares how business owners can minimize content overload and make their lives simpler. Here’s how the conversation goes: Why Anne-Laure decided to go back to school and shift her career path. What is the generation effect and how it’ll help you learn more effectively? How a newsletter became a full-fledged business. The importance of finding the learning output that works for you. The reality of being an “expert.” Is there such a thing as the curse of knowledge? Why everyone could benefit from becoming a teacher. How do you connect all the things you’ve learned? What is mind gardening and how does Anne-Laure use it in

On the 330th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Rob and Kira sit down after two weeks of in-person retreats to share what they’re most excited about in 2023. Between new conversations around writing a book, learning new languages, competing in an Ironman, and AI and ChatGPT, you’ll want to tune into the few surprises Rob and Kira have up their sleeve. Tune into the podcast to find out: Who’s going to learn Italian – Rob or Kira? Did Rob actually bike 200 miles in one day?! Is Kira going to be the new Ironman? The tentative releases of Rob and Kira’s books. Is there a ghost in Kira’s photo? The power of in-person retreats and masterminds. Will there be a new AI workshop for copywriters? Who should worry about AI? Where will the next Think Tank retreats take place? A Copywriter Club spin-off podcast is happening… what’s it about? Find out the answers by tuning into the podcast below.

Steph Trovato is our guest on the 329th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Steph is a copywriter who has been able to scale her business to $300k a year in just 3 years. In this episode, she shares the tools, strategies, support, and systems she’s put in place along the way to make it happen. Here’s a breakdown of the conversation: How Steph went from marketer for dental practices to freelancer and copywriter. Why she had to make the jump to full-time in her business and how she earned her first clients. Her pitching method – 100 pitches a week?! The most important step in the pitching process. How long she had to pitch before her business was sustainable. Her mindset and perspective shifts as she went full-time in her business. The transition from one-off projects to robust retainers. Can you be profitable and NOT be a launch copywriter? The power of being upfront about your pricing. How to set up a profitable retainer for your business. The

Andrea Grassi is our guest on the 328th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Andrea is a serial entrepreneur with 6 businesses, and he shares how he’s able to manage, build, and grow each business. If you’ve ever thought about expanding your sources of income, you’ll want to tune into this episode. Here’s how the conversation goes: How Andrea became a marketer and entrepreneur. The reality of growing a business. Why he decided to start a second business… and a third business and… The most important part about starting a business. A breakdown of each of his vastly different businesses. Why he doesn’t need to be the expert in every business. The ingredients needed to build any business. How to create profit in your business and create a successful chain. Why your revenue isn’t that important – here’s what is. The importance of paying attention to each weak link in your business. The 3 pillars to any successful business. How to begin making a ma

Mike Garner is our guest on the 327th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Mike is a message consultant who focuses on story-based emails that build connections and convert for small businesses. If you’ve ever struggled to share your story in a way that’s true to you, this episode will give you the inspiration to make it happen. Here’s what we chat about: How Mike went from translator to copywriter and how he uses his past experience today. The art of copywriting vs the art of other forms of writing – how’s it different? How you can use your title or label to your advantage. Why Mike decided to “sit down and do stuff” aka give copywriting a fair go. How digging out the trash, shame, and insecurities will make you a better writer and business owner. Developing your rags-to-riches story. What’s the point of writing for ourselves? Is anyone actually paying attention? Is that a good thing? Why you need to get over yourself… Mike’s personal memoir book

Tara Lassiter is our guest on the 326th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. After a 12-year career as a model and actress for QVC, Tara shifted into the copywriting space and became an email strategist. Whether you need to up your networking skills, need to make faster decisions, or you want to dabble into the world of TikTok, you’ll find yourself scribbling notes through the entire episode. Why Tara went from model and actress for QVC to email strategist. How is QVC similar to copywriting? Where she found her first copywriting clients. How The Copywriter Accelerator helped her propel her business forward. Do you brag about yourself? Here’s why you should. Dating vs marrying your decisions. How to hone in on what your audience wants to see from you. How to go from overthinking to taking action and accomplishing. Starting on TikTok – where do you begin? Create two versions of yourself… Here’s how. How to get more done with a limited amount of hours

Over 271 episodes later, we’ve FINALLY brought back Chanti Zak for the 325th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. From solo copywriter to agency owner, Chanti breaks down her journey over the last few years, and how she became known as THE quiz funnel expert. Her insights on growing a thriving business are ones you won’t want to miss. Here’s what we talk about: Why Chanti made the decision to hire a team and how it’s helped her grow her OWN business. Hitting a 50/50 revenue mark between clients and courses. What unique advantage do copywriters have over other business owners? How to use your energy for what you love and avoid burnout (especially when growing a family). Who was her first team member and what did they do? When to start saying “no” to client work and “yes” to your own business. How to set your team up for success and realizations that will save you time, money, and a headache. Why your business needs to be more like Mcdonald’s. The impor

Our guest on the 324th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is Brian Kurtz. His 3rd appearance on the show is a good indicator that there’s no lack of what Brian is able to share with our audience. From gaining rights to one of the most notable books in advertising history to teaching copywriters how to be better marketers, this a conversation you won’t want to miss. Here’s what we cover: What Brian learned from having a near-fatal stroke at the same time as a book launch. Why he decided to launch a mastermind. Gaining rights to Breakthrough Advertising and selling over 10,000 copies. Is Brian a copywriter in secret? How he makes the principles inside Breakthrough Advertising doable. Can a book from the 60s still apply to today’s marketing arena? Creating upsells and bonuses for added value to customers. Is it a good idea to write a book? The reality of book launches. How to get better at relationship building. Why Brian hates the word “networkin

On the 323rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Sara Rosinsky joins the show. Sara’s initial career plan was to be a stand-up comedian, but ultimately she decided to focus on her very enjoyable day job in a Boston advertising agency, writing copy. Sara is also the author of Unflubbify Your Writing: Bite-Sized Lessons to Improve Your Spelling, Punctuation, and Grammar, a book intended to help people avoid making common mistakes in English. Sara’s career spans from agency life, to in-house, and freelance copywriting, so you’re not going to want to miss all the insight she shares. Here’s how it all goes down: How Sara landed her first agency job that lasted over 10 years. The creative process at an agency and being able to learn everything on the job. How to become more confident in the words you write. Why you need to have passion for all of your ideas even when they don’t make it out. What’s the real story behind working in-house? Is it a good idea to go rogu

Martha Barnard-Rae joins the show for the 322nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Martha is a copywriter and TEDx speaker who opens up the conversation about how getting to know yourself makes you a better business owner. After an ADHD diagnosis, she’s learned to put a different lens on her business and lean into tools and resources that work for her, and let go of what doesn’t. This episode reframes what we understand about ADHD and self-discovery and it’s one you won’t want to miss. How she ended up an English teacher in the most isolated city in the world. Finding a mentor and providing equal value to each other. Why her business partnership ended and how she ended it. How she stumbled into a diagnosis of ADHD and how it’s affected her business. The importance of learning about yourself and tools you can utilize. Why you need to show yourself compassion. How she became a TEDx speaker and how she continues to seek opportunities. The time management str

Mariam Vossough is our guest on the 321st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Mariam is a copywriter and scriptwriter who is breaking into TikTok as a means to connect with her ideal client: Gen X women. The insights she shares will not only help you become a better writer but just might give you the courage to give TikTok a shot. Here’s what we talk about: Mariam’s start in the cutting room and how she became in charge of the entire story office. Her transition to children’s author after becoming a mother. Are children’s book writers cooler than copywriters? Self-publishing vs. finding an agent – which route should you take? Why copywriting is the best career for never-ending learners. How she stumbled across copywriting and why she joined The Copywriter Accelerator. What’s the process for turning a mediocre story into great content? How copy structure is an art form and why it can change the entire dynamic of the reader’s experience. Why your ego h

On the 320th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Rob and Kira sit down to debrief 2022. What worked? What didn’t? And what’s coming up in the month of December and into the new year? As you begin to reflect on the past year and plan for the next, you’ll find advice and book recommendations to guide you into a successful 2023. Here’s how the episode breaks down: Why you need to join the Strategic Growth Plan challenge TODAY. The difference between how Rob and Kira change their behavior. Trying out a different email style… Masterclasses and diary entries? Is Kira ready to move again? Early-bird for Accelerator is opening when?! CEO retreats – do you need them in your life? Why roles can change when your business grows. How stepping into a leadership role can help your business. Productivity and time management book recommendations for 2023. Check out the episode below or read the transcript.

Sue Bowness is our guest on the 319th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Sue is a content writer and professor who helps her clients and students tell better stories through content. In this episode, she shares her insights on the content writing industry and how it’s changed over her two-decade long freelance career. Tune in to find out: The real difference between being a business owner vs being an employee. The mindset reframe you need to take on when you decide to start your own business. Copywriting vs content writing… Are they the same? What is the true value of content writing and how do you position it to clients? How much can you actually charge for ONE blog post? Are you stuck on finding a niche? Try this. How can you make a boring topic tolerable to read? What does it take to run a profitable business for two decades? How to navigate trends and changes to your industry. How to be more productive as a full-time business owner? Creati

Simon De Brito is our guest on the 318th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Simon is a Marketing Automation Specialist who creates inbound marketing strategies in order to turn prospects into customers. Not only does this episode give you the inside scoop on inbound marketing but just how different buyers are in different parts of the world. Tune into the episode to find out: What is inbound marketing and what does a Marketing Automation Specialist even do? How the different stages of awareness helps create conversion-worthy content. What’s the difference between B2B and B2C buyers? Why you can’t just throw content out for the sake of content. Scoring systems – what are they and what does it do for business? What mistakes are marketers making in their inbound marketing efforts? Which free tools translate for smaller businesses? SEO – does YOUR business need it? Why you need to STOP solving everyone’s problems. How to save time, stretch your conte

Tori Autumn is our guest for the 317th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Tori is an email strategist and copywriter who helps coaches and course creators grow their businesses through fervent messaging. In this episode, she spills how she's quickly grown her copywriting business and what she's had to shed to make it happen. Here's what you'll find: How Tori went from broadcast journalism to self-love coaching to copywriting. What to do when jobs don’t go the way you planned them to. The balance between nonprofit work and owning a copywriting business – practical tips for pursuing multiple passions. How she built her business to $20k months in a matter of a year. Why she invests her time in networking and the benefits it's given her business. The REAL benefits of 5-figure months. How The Accelerator and Think Tank helped her business grow and flourish. How to shift your mindset as you’re growing your business. Copywriting vs. strategy – what’s the d

We’ve invited Kirsty Fanton back on the show for the 316th episode! Kirsty is an ex-psychotherapist turned launch copywriter and on top of running a thriving copywriting business, she’s also a new parent. Her expertise in the psychotherapy world makes her the best person to chat boundaries around not just navigating parenthood and business, but creating better boundaries for ourselves as a whole. Here’s what you’ll find in the conversation: How Kirsty’s business has changed since our first interview with her. How TCC programs helped her business reach 6-figures and introduced her to an incredible network. The shift her business made since having a baby. Preparing for maternity leave and how creating a passive stream of income helped her business. The process to create an evergreen funnel. How to step back and look at your business from a strategic perspective. How she built a business that worked around her life when her time was so out of her control. The

Rob Perry is our guest on the 315th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Rob Perry is a SaaS and B2B copywriter and consultant who has built a solid pipeline of clients without using a website, email list, or high-profile social media presence. In fact, he grew his business using a platform you may be familiar with: Upwork. How’d he do it? And could you do the same? Stick around and find out: How Rob went from President of sales to copywriter and how he leveraged his skills. The struggles of abruptly moving your family overseas. How he used Upwork to start copywriting and became a sought-after copywriter. Standing out on a platform like Upwork and becoming the go-to choice. Are 3 minutes of value worth your time? Upwork 101: Setting yourself up for success in 3 steps. Why you need to filter jobs on Upwork and cut out the noise and save time. How to avoid clients who have unrealistic expectations. Did Kira get kicked off Upwork? How to tailor your p

Liv Steigrad is our guest on the 314th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Liv is a copywriter and brand messaging strategist with a psychology and sociolinguistic background. She helps her clients create powerful brands through her B.R.A.V.E framework, and in this episode, she breaks down how copywriters can use it to build their own brands. Here’s how the conversation went: Does a psychology degree help in being a better copywriter? How to get better at voice of customer research. Making friends as an adult and applying the same techniques in networking. How to prepare and execute things that are terrifying. The one habit you need to build to gain momentum in your business and life. Do you have a definition of success? And is it really true to you? What is a brand story and why does it matter? How to envision big goals and create your ideal day. The balance between a full-time job and a full-time business. What you need to take advantage of whil

On the 313th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Todd Brown makes an entrance on the show. Todd is an expert marketer with over 15 years of experience and in this episode, you’ll find out how he went from making $8.50 an hour as an overworked employee to creating a sought-after marketing approach other experts utilize in their own direct response marketing campaigns. The conversation goes a little like this: Where Todd got his start in the direct response marketing industry. What he learned about discipline as a bodybuilder and how he carries it into his everyday life and business. The importance of consistency and why it wins every time. His perspective on discipline and how anyone can add it to their toolkit. The double-edged sword of hiring a team. His shift from marketer to entrepreneur and how it changed the game for his business growth. What is marketing really? How to use Todd’s E-5 method for marketing campaigns and to grow a thriving copywritin

Jennifer Spivak is our guest for the 312th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Jennifer is the CEO and founder of The AdGirls Agency, and she’s helped hundreds of businesses generate millions of dollars on Facebook and Instagram with the use of simple funnels. In this episode, she breaks down her funnel process and how copywriters can implement a low ad-spend approach to lead generation. Here’s how the conversation went: How Jennifer got into the entrepreneurial space and her mission behind her business. Getting out of an abusive relationship and how $1500 saved her life. How she grew her business through organic relationships and virtual door knocking. Why she set up one simple ad to book a call with her and how it turned out. Is it a good idea to turn your business into an agency? When this happens… It’s time to make a business pivot. Her team of 16 and how each position allows for her to step into her visionary role. What she would do differently if

On the 311th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Peta O’Brien-Day joins the show to discuss… Politics. But not in the way you’d imagine. Peta is a copywriter and messaging strategist who educates her audience on how to tread in delicate territory by leading with empathy in marketing their efforts. Here’s how the conversation goes: Her background in social work and learning how to empathize with teenagers by building relationships. What’s the secret? Working in mentally challenging conditions and the toll it can take. Becoming a widow and transitioning into many different careers. Starting a blog about starting over and getting hired by parent-based companies. Beginning on Upwork and optimizing her profile to appear first in the search bar. How to communicate empathy with skeptical audiences as a business owner. Never say these two things when someone is grieving — take notes. How she upleveled her skills before cold pitching and landing a company who ne

On the 310th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Rob and Kira sit down and chat about what’s new in the world of The Copywriter Club. Catch up and tune into what needs to be on your radar for the last quarter of the year. Here’s what they talk about: The 2022-2023 Definitive Guide to Pricing for copywriters – and how you can apply it to your business. What’s the difference in salary between content writers and copywriters? Do you need a degree to be a copywriter? (new blog alert!) Do copywriters really need a niche? How you can get better at prospecting and scale your income. The number one problem copywriters are facing. What do habits have to do with gaining clients consistently? Are you ready for the Think Tank? What podcasts are Rob and Kira listening to lately? A podcast to improve your storytelling game. Tune into the episode below.   The people and stuff we men

Melissa Harstine is our guest for the 309th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Melissa is a Customer Research Strategist who helps her clients pull out the best insights for her clients, so they can increase their reach and results. In this episode, Melissa gives us a breakdown of how we can all increase our customer research skills and why they matter in the first place. Check it out below: Melissa’s beginnings as a journalist at a small nonprofit for the elderly and how she was able to connect with her target audience. Writing for a demographic much different than your own – how’s it happen? Why she decided to hone in on a niche and how it worked out for her. How to connect with potential clients in your local business networking groups. Her advice on asking better questions during the research phase. Why you need to lead with empathy and how to respond to people’s demeanor and tone. The specific questions she asks clients to pull the best details and i

Our guest for the 308th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is Kristin Lajeunesse. Kristin is an author and former digital nomad who has traveled to all 50 states in the U.S. and 21 countries on a mission to find delicious vegan food along the way. Her travels led her to copywriting and over the last couple of years, she’s built a thriving business. Here’s how her story goes: Kristin’s 3 lives and how they led her top copywriting. Starting a business on Fiverr before hiring a sales consultant. Landing large clients with employees vs solopreneur clients. What it’s like to work with a sales consultant – how does it fit into the budget? Are you doing the same amount of work for less money? The best tool you can use on a sales call. How to turn your sales call into an organic conversation rather than an interrogation. How much do we really need to do to ensure a high-quality customer experience? The two best investments Kristin has made in her business.

Jenn Prochaska is our guest on the 307th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Jenn is a copywriter who specializes in message strategy and websites. This episode is truly an inspiring journey as we hear how Jenn has navigated her way through addiction, motherhood, and scaling a thriving business. This episode will leave you with wisdom, practical business advice, and even a email marketing strategy… Here’s how the episode goes: Jenn’s 25 year background in sales and marketing and why she went from LA back to Cleveland. The journey to getting sober and realizing the “cushy” job didn’t bring happiness. Going back to school to get a Masters in creative writing and rediscovering old passions. Making big changes in adulthood and investing in yourself. Working for agencies, being a lead copywriter, and diving into freelance copywriting. How tires helped her learn about educating an audience, urging them to care, and how to incorporate benefits. Why is addiction m

On the 306th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Jamie Jensen makes her second appearance on the show. Jamie is a copywriter, screenwriter, creative coach and some-day showrunner. Jamie’s many lives have led her to her absolute passion of screenwriting and helping other multi-passionate creatives discover how to balance it all. Here’s how the conversation went: What’s the difference between hitting a wall and burnout? Walking away from something that’s going well? How to create a step by step process for what comes next. Why you need to give yourself permission to be messy. The balance between business person and artist. What goes into the screenwriting process? The importance of allowing yourself to be bad at your craft. The shift in the screenwriting industry – what have been the effects of streaming? What goes into Jamie’s writing process? Why you should treat your projects like relationships – projects as people? What are work retreats all

Our guest for the 305th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is sustainable and cruelty-free copywriter, Topaz Hooper. Topaz focuses on working with eco-friendly brands whose values align with her own. The slow fashion, environmentally conscious niche is growing rapidly, and Topaz spills all the details for those who are keen to join in on the movement to help the planet. Here’s how the conversation goes: How Topaz became a vegetarian and transitioned to veganism. Her beginning in the vegan coaching industry and how it was the catalyst for her copywriting career. What are the benefits of going vegan? Is Rob going to give it a go? How she tuned into her audience's needs and wants, so she could speak directly to them and shape their transformation. What mistakes copywriters are making in their sales copy – and how to fix it. How can you get paid to make mistakes? How she quickly became known as the cruelty free copywriter in 2022 and scaled her income to $10k

On the 304th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Rick Mulready jumps back on the show to talk about the changes and pivots he’s made over the last few years. Rick is a 7-figure business coach, online ads expert, and podcast host who has shifted to providing just one offer to his audience. This episode will walk through how he’s able to sustain his business with one offer while working just 25 hours a week. Here’s how the episode goes: Why he decided to pivot from FB ads to online business coaching. How he combined two offers into one signature offer for his business. What struggles he had along the way and how he overcame them (hint: mindset). Lost in identity and finding the direction you want your business to go. How to create profitable and optimized offers for your business – what’s needed to make them successful? How to effectively listen to the needs of your audience and finding out what they need and want. What does growth and success really look li

Joel Bergeron is our guest on the 303rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Joel is a copywriter who specializes in blockchain technology and web3. His interview dives into the world of blockchain and how copywriters can learn more about this new technology and even pivot their careers into blockchain writing. Here’s how the interview goes: His transition from being a military policeman to international disaster services in Asia. Why he decided shift into marketing and how he found copywriting. How he infuses his past lives into his copywriting career. What the heck is blockchain? What’s the difference between blockchain and web 3.0? How to know when to pause and slow down vs. push and go harder? The thing that helps Joel take a step back and remember his why. Building a lifestyle business and realizing when you need to pivot and make changes. The benefits of blockchain – more than just money? What it means to be 100% in control of your money.

Raven Douglas is our guest for the 302nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Raven is a Conversion Copywriter who focuses on the user experience for her clients’ businesses. In this episode, we walk through Raven’s beginning stages as a copywriter and the moves she made to go from $55 dollar projects to $37k. Here’s how the conversation goes: How Raven became the go-to writer for her peers and how it paved the way for her copywriting career. Her cold pitch method and why she took on free work. Educating business owners on copy and how it helps their business. First website prices… You gotta start somewhere. Getting a feel for different niches and playing around with different writing styles. How a 28 hour bus ride to TCCIRL in NYC was the pivotal moment that turned Raven’s dream into a reality. The sales script Raven uses to quote prices and close sales calls. How Raven negotiated a $37 project without diminishing her value. The guarantee Raven used

Tiffany A. Ingle is our guest on the 301st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Tiffany is a conversion copywriter and brand strategist who finds much of her creativity from the world of fantasy. In this episode, she walks through how copywriters can tap into their most creative energy and create strong, authentic-to-them brands. Here’s how the conversation goes: What is a brand and why do you need one? How Tiffany helps people with their big picture strategy. Tiffany’s process for networking and connecting with others as an introvert. How this one thing is inevitable through building relationships. A natural approach to get to know new people and actually maintain the relationship. Why fantasy can help you become a better business owner and copywriter – And how it will help you become more resilient. How to apply the CRAVE framework to your business and create a strong brand. The process of packaging deliverables as a brand strategist – What goes into i

300 podcast episodes later and Rob and Kira STILL have things to talk about… That’s copywriters for you. On this episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob sit down and answer questions from their listeners and reflect over the last 300 episodes while looking forward to the future of TCC. Here’s how the episode goes: The act of mentally preparing for big changes – and getting back to your old self AFTER big changes. Running a business as a parent of young children and going through the motions. Is The Copywriting Club a thing? Rediscovering passions and adding more fun What does the future of TCC look like? The worst business advice Kira and Rob have received in growing their business. If they were to start it all over – What would they do differently? Mistakes Rob and Kira have made along the way and how they’ve learned from them. Rob and Kira’s go-to podcasts – Do they have favorites? What was the tipping point for the podcast? The curr

Belinda Ellsworth is our guest on the 299th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Belinda is a drummer turned direct sales expert who opens the conversation about mastering your craft. She is the author of a #1 international best seller, “Direct Selling for Dummies,” and successfully grew her podcast which is part of the iHeartRadio platform. Take a peek inside Belinda’s genius: Belinda’s journey from rock band to a side-hustle in direct sales. Becoming a sales and motivational speaker and transitioning into a consultant helping companies scale from $1-$20 million. Why Belinda decided to go all-in on a podcast – and her invitation to iHeartRadio. How being a drummer set her up for success in every other area of her career. The secret behind Belinda’s success in podcast growth and becoming a skilled interviewer. How mastering your craft will accelerate your growth, career, and lifestyle. The importance of vetting guests before letting them jump on the show.

On the 298th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Avi Webb joins the show. Avi is a copywriter who specializes in naming businesses and offers (not an easy task). Is there a method to the madness? Avi spills his secrets to his research and creativity processes, and how you can tap into the naming market. Check out the goods: Avi’s transition from creative writing to persuasive writing. Why is there a lack of emphasis on copy? Are there any advantages to design vs copy first? How design and copy are two separate languages and how to navigate both. The better way to work with designers, so each vision can come to life. What kind of communication needs to happen between designers and copywriters? How Avi became the name guy. Do you have to love everything about copy? How to find your unique, comfy, copywriting chair. Is there a method to charging for taglines and names and how are you supposed to communicate the value? Avi’s naming process – What h

Our guest for the 297th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is Mary Adkins. Mary is an author and writing coach who helps her clients start and publish a book. She walks through her process to writing her first book and how she’s gone on to publish three. This episode is the journey of getting permission to pursue the passion project that so often gets left on the backburner and to fully embrace where your creativity takes you. And it goes like… Mary’s journey from law to fiction author in the span of a few years. The affirmations Mary kept top of mind when there was too much rejection to count. Feedback – What’s the right way to get feedback without crushing your vision? What is your first draft meant to be? The reality of how we give feedback and why it’s all wrong. How to find the topic you are meant to write about and how to open it with curiosity. Building the skill of perseverance when you feel like your story belongs in the gutter. How to create s

On the 296th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Grace Fortune joins the show. Grace a copywriter and course strategist for copywriters who are looking to launch a digital product. She uses the C.O.U.R.S.E framework to guide her clients through the launch process, and in this episode she gives our audience an inside look at how it works. Here’s how the episode breaks down: Grace’s transition from virtual assistant to copywriter to course strategist. How she overcame her fear of calling herself a copywriter. How she used her virtual assistant experience to carry over into the launch and marketing world. Why she decided to start controlling the narrative and how it’s helped her grow her referral network. Grace’s ‘why’ for helping copywriters create offers. The C.O.U.R.S.E framework and how you can use it for your own offers. When should we launch a course or digital product? Is it ever too soon to launch a product? The importance of collecting the righ

Ed Gandia joins The Copywriter Club Podcast for its 295th episode. Ed is a business building coach and strategist for business writers and copywriters. He helps his client by teaching them to build habits, strategies, and techniques that help them earn more in less time. In this episode, he debunks the “sales” status quo and gives valuable insight on how copywriters can become better salespeople. Here’s how the conversation went down: Ed’s background in software sales and how it was the catalyst for his copywriting career. How Ed went from 6-figures in software sales to a 6-figure copywriting business in 27 months. The play-by-play on how Ed acquired clients with no formal copywriting training. Why he niched down and how that helped him nail his messaging. The 4 questions to decide which niche is right for you. How to tap into your current network when it feels “awkward.” What if you’re a copywriter with no sales experience… How do you close leads? The real

On the 294th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Nicole Morton joins the show to talk about her experience in product development and how it’s helped her build her copywriting career. From creating products to qualifying them in the current market to writing copy for them, Nicole laid out the whole process. Here’s how the conversation went: How Dollies helped Nicole get her start in the product development industry. From idea to store shelf – How to qualify a product to get into the market. How product development can translate to building a copywriting business. The current trends in the copywriting and marketing industry. How to look for trends in your industry. Creating ideas for a product – How do we actually start coming up with ideas? The practical application for brainstorming names for your products. How to uplevel and refine your current skills as you build new ones. Identifying which of your skills are transferable and how you can leverage

On the 293rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Marcella Allison comes back on the show. When she first joined the show, she was in the midst of building The Mentoress Collective, and now after 7 years, it’s time for her to pack it up and leave behind a legacy. In this episode, she talks about her decision to move on and the chance you have to get your hands on what she’s built for a steal. Here’s how the conversation breaks down: What was The Mentoress Collective all about? The difficult decision that entrepreneurs are faced with when growing their brands and businesses. What’s changed in the marketing space since the beginning of The Mentoress Collective? Step by step tips to find a mentor – The do’s and don’ts. Is it possible to have too many mentors? The real difference between a copy chief and a business mentor – Which do YOU need? How the most successful copywriters use these two things to create high-converting copy, and how you can use them too.

Jocelyn Brady is our guest for the 292nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Jocelyn is a brain and story coach who helps her clients create more out of their lives. She is a former copywriter whose fascination with neuroscience led her down a new path. Here’s how the conversation goes: Pig brains – How the heck did they encourage Jocelyn to go down a path of neuroscience? How tragic events can change the direction of our lives and careers. How Jocelyn built her copywriting business and agency by accident and worked with big time clients like Nokia, SunTrust, and Prudential. How persistence is key to building a successful business and why you should think of your business as an experiment. Making a more interesting ‘about’ page and how to get people curious. Is everyone a natural storyteller? Jocelyn’s S.T.O.R.Y framework and how you can apply it to your own stories. Where do most copywriters mess up when telling stories? The key to driving the sale

Lander Sulser is our guest for the 291st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Lander is a marketing strategist and launch copywriter who helps her clients optimize their offer using her signature framework. Whether you’re trying to help your own clients with their offers or you’re creating your own, be sure to tune into the episode. Check out the conversation: Not knowing how the hell you get to your dreams, but you know you have them. The benefits of using mastermind to leverage your skills and business. How you could get the “in” with big names in the industry by knowing one person. The other benefits and value you can provide as a copywriter other than just the writing component. The process of creating the name for your offer. How to create an irresistible offer in 4 simple steps. What has changed in creating offers since the pandemic? How to hone in on your BIG promise, so your message isn’t diluted. The guarantee – How should we approach it?

In this special edition of The Copywriter Club Podcast, we’re joined by our three coaches inside our Think Tank Mastermind Program. Tamara Glick, Linda Perry, and Jonnie Stellar share their own experiences inside the Think Tank, and how they now support members inside the program through their expertise in mindset, systems, and community. Here’s the breakdown of the episode: How each coach grew their business with the support of The Copywriter Think Tank Mastermind. Gaining insight on what you don’t know through camaraderie. The permission being inside a mastermind can bring you. The specific stories copywriters tell themselves that’s holding them back from business growth and expansion. How not having these specific systems and processes in place are holding copywriters back. Delegation and burnout – how copywriters are self-sabotaging their success. The hand-off anxiety that can come with hiring a team and how to avoid it. How to avoid analysis-pa

Hollie Tkac joined The Copywriter Club Podcast for episode 289. Hollie is a copywriter for coaches in the online space who has built her multiple six-figure business on DFY copy. She shares her experience in creating sustainable income without the 50+ hour work weeks and how other copywriters can build a business that works for them. Here’s how the conversation breaks down: The importance of building your network and how it can translate into 50% of your income. How Hollie transitioned from coaching into copywriting for coaches. The benefits of hiring a coach and how to find the right one for you and your business. Transferring skill sets from coaching to copywriting. Steps to developing self trust and stepping into your sense of worthiness. Having 6 coaches at once and determining which coaches could help you get to where you want to go. How to get the most out of your coaching programs, so you see a return on your investment. Hitting six-figures in the fi

Allison Carpio is our guest for the 288th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Allison is a copywriter, analytics specialist, and food aficionado who breaks down what it means to overcome the headtrash that is holding us back from creating and doing what we truly want. In this episode, you’ll find out the importance of staying in alignment with your values, plus… Starting a freelance career while working a full time job. The mindset blocks and headtrash that stands in the way of pricing. The benefits of being in paid communities and high level masterminds. How to leverage your network and build your authority. Different support systems for your business – which ones do you need? The 3 steps to identify what is holding you back and how to overcome it. Building a “team” of supporters to work through perfectionism and fear of instability. Accelerating success and making business more fun and energetic. How Allison shifted the way she talks to her own audien

Keina Newell is our guest on the 287th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Keina is a financial coach who helps professionals and solopreneurs with their money. With over $75,000 in student loan debt on a teacher’s salary, Keina knew she had to make a big change if she was ever going to achieve financial freedom. Whether you want to pay off debt, save and invest money, or a bit of all three, this episode will give you practical tips on doing just that. Here’s how the conversation goes: A career that is passion aligned but also helps you accomplish financial goals… real or myth? What is the purpose of money in our lives? How to backwards plan where you want to be financially. The steps to getting granular with your financial goals. Why you should pay yourself as an employee. 3 types of budgets and how to break them down. When to start building a financial system. An emergency fund for business vs personal. Taking a leap vs safety first: which are you?

Carline Anglade-Cole is our guest on the 286th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. While Carline has joined the show before, in this episode she gives us the inside scoop of creating a Youtube channel, writing her second book, and lessons we can all use in our lives and business. Check it out: Why Carline decided to channel her content on Youtube. What it takes to get started on Youtube + how to use copy skills to grow your channel. How a thumbnail is like a lead. Why Carline is giving away free content vs paid content. Carline’s Youtube strategy for maximum views. How copywriting has radically changed her life and surprises along the way. The process of shifting gears and getting out of your own way. The difference between selling physical products vs digital products. Why it’s a good idea to rechannel yourself to find things that excite you. Carline’s inspiration for writing a second book about lessons, mindset, and advice. How this ONE tip c

Tyler J. McCall guests on the 275th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Tyler is an Instagram Marketing Strategist and Coach for entrepreneurs who want to build and grow their business online. With social media being at the forefront of so many businesses, Tyler shares his experience dealing with burnout and how entrepreneurs can use social media more intentionally. Take a peek at our conversation: Why Tyler founded onlinebusinessowner.com. How his nonprofit careers kickstarted his entrepreneurial endeavors and how he became the go-to Instagram marketing expert. Should you leave the community you’ve become accustomed to? How to find the right coach and community for you, your business, and your values. The process of healing from a previous business and starting another. Why it’s a good idea to unlearn old beliefs before jumping into something new. How to deal with harassment online – actions and steps to take. Repairing your reputation online – is it p

Charlotte Davis is our guest for the 284th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Charlotte is a Dubsado Strategist and Business Operations Consultant, and in this episode she breaks down the best way copywriters can use systems in their businesses to create a high-level client experience and maximize their time and energy. Here’s how the episode goes down: How Charlotte transitioned from OBM to Dubsado wizard. The difference between OBM (Online Business Manager) and VA (Virtual Assistant), PLUS when you’re ready for each. Are you ready for a Systems Strategist? Why you need to pull your processes out of your head and into a system. What can be automated in Dubsado? The one thing business owners forget or feel awkward doing. Honeybook vs. Dubsado – what’s the dif? Should you set up your own Dubsado or hire an expert? The process of hiring a professional in your business. Best practices for client management while using automation – is it possible?

Angie Federico joins The Copywriter Club Podcast for its 283rd episode. Angie is a direct response copywriter who’s been in both the freelance and agency world of marketing. Her ability to craft open-worthy pitches and close sales calls are just a few qualities that make her a great copywriter and marketer. If you need a pick-me-up when it comes to your skills in selling yourself, tune into the episode. Here’s how the conversation goes: How Angie went from selling life insurance to her start in affiliate marketing. The difference between selling online vs in person. How copywriting became the key to virtual selling. Can you gain clients on Reddit? The key to being great at sales and how to improve your own skills. What even is affiliate marketing? The beginnings of getting good at copywriting… for free. Creating a referral system that sustains itself. How to write a sales pitch that gets read and responded to. Figuring out who you want to pitch and he

Jason Pickar makes his second appearance on the 282nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Jason talks how the last few years have changed and his route to becoming a VP Creative Director. If you’re wondering what it would be like to work in an agency or need advice from a pro, be sure to check out the episode. Here’s what we cover: The changes in the agency space for both copywriters and creative directors. What’s involved in being the creative director for an agency. Teams that make-up an agency and the pace of working for one. The process of getting copy written, edited, cleared, and ready to go live. How to write for fans of a brand. The difference between various generations’ style of writing and crafting copy based on different perspectives. How quick service restaurants are pushing the app experience through a loyalty program and celeb advertisement. The psychology that brings people back into the app. The key to balancing brand voice and direc

Rob and Kira take the mic for the 281st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. In this episode, they walk through what makes TCC… TCC. Through an introspection of beliefs and celebrating what the last 5 years have brought, they challenge everyone listening to do the same thing for their own business. Take a sneak peek: The core belief of The Copywriter Club. No one owns a niche, specialty, or title and why this is a good thing. How to use your x-factor to differentiate yourself from the sea of others in your niche. The golden rule of investing and how to effectively use it in your business. Paid mentors vs free mentors – is one better than the other? How to keep the momentum moving in your business. Outgrowing your title and shifting into a new one. How to find the best way for YOU to grow your authority. The importance of not comparing your goals to someone else’s. How masterminds are like buffets – yes, the food kind. The growth that comes with

For the 280th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, we’re joined by Launch Copywriter Ash Chow. Ash helps her clients strategize for pre-launch and breaks down why it’s such an essential part of your overall launch strategy. Tune into the episode to tap into your next launch strategy. Tune into the conversation: Having a “is this really my life?” moment and completely shifting gears. How a quarterlife crisis can be a pivotal time in life. The pull to do something greater and make a big impact. The stigma around being a certain age before starting a business or pivoting your career. Navigating feelings of low self worth and shame. How copywriters are constantly scrutinized and how to not internalize feedback from clients. Why validation can be an important part of working through difficult situations. How to respect your boundaries when you’re a people pleaser. Using the comments by that mean girl in high school or an unencouraging teacher to ignite you

For the 279th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, we’ve got not one… but 4 guests jumping on the show. You’ll hear the familiar voices of Jude Charles, Justin Blackman, and Ash Chow as they chat about their experiences with both TCCIRL and (N)IRL. Thinking about joining the party? Here’s what it’s all about: The first impression of TCCIRL – are copywriters really weird? The experiences you can expect to have at your first or even second and third IRL event. Are A-listers real people? The importance of being able to build relationships outside of your computer screen. Being introverted and going to a social event… how does it work? First look at topics you’ll be tuning into at this year’s event. How to leverage TCCIRL in your life and business once the event is over. Dealing with burnout at different levels and how to maneuver it. How much can happen in a short period of time and not forgetting to sit in moments of accomplishment. Which guest naile

Laura Sprinkle is our guest for the 278th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Laura is an affiliate partnerships strategist and has worked with people like Amy Porterfield, Selena Soo, and Todd Herman. Launching can be challenging, but adding an affiliate program could give your launch the eyes it deserves to increase sales and reach. Laura breaks it down like this: Laura’s fascination with the ability to sell what you create. Early beginnings as a health coach and how she transitioned to the marketing side of business. How she bumped into big names like Selena Soo and Todd Herman – you never know who you know. What’s working in the launch space vs what isn’t. How to elevate your VIP experience with clients to make deeper connections. Why it’s important to focus on prelaunch – and guidelines on how to make it work. The differences in each style of launch and knowing which is right for you. Deciding what you want to be known for. Navigating multiple o

Our guest on the 277th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is Erin Pennings. Erin is a B2B storyteller and marketing strategist who has nailed a framework to help others write their own websites with ease. Creating a captivating website can be a daunting task (for copywriters and other business owners alike), and Erin reveals how to simplify the process. Here’s how the episode breaks down: The transition from the tourism sector to copywriter. The early days of Facebook and LinkedIn and how Erin used it to her advantage. How where you start may not be where you end up. – Writer beginnings. Steps to finding your x-factor. 2 things that you’ll discover in exploring your x-factor. How to create a framework and processes and how it will help your business. How Erin divides her business into DFY and DWY offers. The process Erin uses to get website copy written in a week. Are live review edits the next big thing? How they can speed up the writing and editing

On the 276th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Esai Arasi hops on the show. Esai is a Social Media Manager and Strategist who helps copywriters with their content strategy to get the most out of their content. Social media has the potential to expand your reach and connect with more leads, and in this episode, Esai walks us through how you can use it to its greatest potential. Here’s how it goes down: Esai’s transition from psychological trainer to copywriter and social media strategist. How to guide someone to change their behavior *willingly*. Why belief is of utmost importance in creating changed behavior. Human psychology and the roots of how humans change and evolve over time. How Esai has transferred her skills into copywriting. The process for implementing change and making it fun (and easier). Being good at the skill but struggling with the business aspect of acquiring clients. How credentials and formal education can help you build foundation

On the 275th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, we’re joined by Dan Clark. Dan is the CEO of Brain.FM, science-first functional music technology that supports focus, meditation, and sleep. In this episode, we uncover how neuroscience and music can work together to improve your productivity and trigger your flow state for maximum concentration. Having a moment of realization that makes you shift your focus to finding your purpose. Why it’s a good idea to try new (and impossible) things to build confidence and break through your comfort zone. How “no” will always be your answer if you never ask for what you want. How does functional music work to bring you to your flow state? The difference between functional music and Art music. The science behind getting into your flow state within 5 minutes. Can functional music help with ADHD and neurodiversity? Breaking down 3D sound and how it supports focus. Is it possible to train your brain to go from night owl

On the 274th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Anna Rosa Parker joins the show. Anna is a brand alchemist and wordsmith who helps artists and creatives develop their brand personality using a holistic approach. In this episode, she uncovers how she uses her background and roots to get what she wants and how we can step into our own inner Viking. Here’s what we chat about: The shift from actor and screenwriter to copywriter. Feeling pulled in many directions and being multi-passionate. How knocking on doors can help you acquire new skills. Why Anna decided to leave acting and the mindset that led her in a different direction. How you can use the open-door policy to ask for what you want. Why you need to learn how to be fearless and how to step into your inner Viking. The equality in CEOs and janitors. The benefits of being in the marketing space, and how it can satisfy your ever growing desire to learn. Taking big chances when you don’t have a direc

On the 273rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, we’re joined by 3 guests. Peta O'Brien-Day, Tori Autumn, and Demetrius Williams join the show to talk about their experience inside The Copywriter Accelerator. The Accelerator Program is our signature program to help new-ish copywriters build the foundations they need to have a successful copywriting business. Whether you decide to join or not, this episode is filled with actionable advice no matter what stage of business you’re in. Here’s what we talk about: How The Copywriter Club Accelerator can help transform your business. Why people decide to join + how you may feel when you’ve hit a ceiling in your business. The key to fast-tracking your business. Hint: Systems and processes play a big role. How to go from order-taker to business owner (and stay that way). 3 books you may want to add to your bookshelf in 2022. The secret(s) to shifting your money and pricing mindset, so you can increase your prices. W

For the 272nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, we’re joined by Kristin Macintyre. Kristin is a conversion copywriter who writes copy for launches with her signature VIP offer. If VIP offers are something you want to implement in the new year, then give this episode a listen. Here’s how the episode goes down: Kristin’s journey from college professor to launch copywriter. Starting and building a successful copywriting business in a short timespan. How copywriting and poetry have empathy in common. The open-ended questions that lead your clients to their true answer. How to teach and mentor with real-world examples. Pivoting your niche and offer for higher level success. Structuring a VIP offer. How does it break down? The difference between a VIP day and a VIP intensive. Elevating the client journey through different touchpoints. How to get more done by observing where your time is going. Adding a VIP intensive into your offer suite – is it po

Krystle Church joins us for the 271st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. A former Accelerator member, Krystle is a business mentor and runs a boutique copywriting studio. Krystle is a borderless entrepreneur who runs her business on the island of Mauritius. This episode is a must-listen if you’re curious about running a business abroad and balancing business endeavors all while keeping your mindset in check. We chat about: Transitioning from traveling elementary school teacher to borderless entrepreneur. Creating a healthy working atmosphere and getting to choose who you work with. Retiring your partner and defining freedom in your own terms. The illusion of choice and how it can impact business decisions. Utilizing the freedom you have to make CEO decisions. (because you are the boss, afterall.) How to unbox the narrative and stories we constantly tell ourselves. Overcoming cycles of burnout and soaking up the big milestones you reach before jumping into

On the 270th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, we’re diving into the world of Kira Hug. Who is she really and does she even like to hug? She shares her experiences from the beginnings of her own copywriting career to where she is today and where she plans to go in the future. Tune in to find out: The rise of Kira Hug. What it was like to live in New York City and what her favorite experiences were. Raising kids in Brooklyn and moving to Washington, DC. Kira’s first writing experiences and learning about her love for interviewing. The struggles Kira faced most as she built her copywriting business. Navigating through the head trash that can be such a constant burden for copywriters. How to stop getting in your own way. Kira’s least favorite client project and how she said “see ya later!” Finding the confidence to know you have what it takes to move forward. Building The Copywriter Club, copywriting agency, and raising young children. Was it lo

Our guest for the 269th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast is Lindsey Walker. Lindsey is a public relations expert who owns Walker + Associates Media Group – a boutique public relations agency. Lindsey helps her clients position themselves for visibility and growth. If you want to increase your visibility and authority in the online space, tune into the episode to find actionable steps you can take to increase your impact and grow your brand. Lindsey’s journey into the public relations world and starting a freelance business. The roles that characterize a publicity firm and finding a team that will help you scale your business. How to shift from solopreneur to leader and CEO. – What do you need to have in place? Defining the type of CEO you want to become and how you can begin to look strategically at your business. The process of working with someone in public relations. – What happens first? How long it takes to expect results from PR. How copywriters need

Geoff Kullman is our guest for the 268th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Geoff is a direct-response copywriter and brand strategist who helps online entrepreneurs and personal brands tell better stories and make more money. Geoff breaks down how he uses neuroscience and psychology to write impactful copy that converts. Here’s all the things we talk about: The common denominator for copywriters and other writers. Geoff’s journey from devout pastor to direct-response copywriter. The importance of showcasing your abilities and talents within your website and business. How to make niching your own and work for you. The framework that takes people from prospect to customer. How to break down the 6-step framework for strong emails and sales pages. The difference between prompt and pitch and why it matters. Trauma-informed marketing and how to write from a place of empathy. Why the marketing world is shifting and how we can adapt to the changes. How

Amy Collins is our guest for the 267th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Amy is a storyteller and copy strategist who unveils the mystery of creating stories out of everyday events. By taking your conversation skills to the next level, you can craft better stories not just for yourself but for your clients. Win-win, right? We break it down like this: Amy Collins journey from the art of writing to the art of copywriting. How to work on referrals, so you don’t have to overload the cold pitches. Is it possible to perfect the art of conversation? And is it even a thing? How to get your clients to disarm themselves and enhance the conversation. The different ways you can niche in your business. Reframing your perspective on being in your ideal client’s inbox. Behind the scenes of a storytelling master’s process. Why open loops take your emails to a whole new level. The common mistakes copywriters make when telling stories in their emails and how to fix

Angie Colee is our guest for the 266th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Angie is a copywriter and copy chief turned business and confidence coach who took a while to find her way into the copywriting role she is the best fit for. No matter where you are in your copywriting journey, you’ll leave with notes filled front and back. Here’s what we talk about: How Angie went from working for the Oprah Winfrey network to underpaid copywriter. Do you have to have a degree to become a copywriter? Feeling stuck with projects and clients but using every project as a learning opportunity. How learning on the fly can make you a better writer. The power to walk away from toxic work environments and open the door to new opportunities. The different levels of copywriting. Where might you fit in? Shifting into a lead role and managing other copywriters. The difference between a full-time corporate copywriter and per project roles. Finding a team that respects your

Daniel Throssell takes the mic on the 265th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Daniel is a copywriter who has created something he likes to call, “The Parallel Welcome Sequence.” He teaches his students how to look at storytelling from a different lens, and now he’s going to give you a glimpse into how he makes it happen. Here’s how the conversation breaks down: His grand escape from being an electrical engineer on a remote island. Winning a coaching call based on a story he wrote with no experience at all. How he was able to go from no experience to charging $200 an hour on Upwork. The Facebook message that would change the game for Daniel. How he managed to become the most-copied Upwork profile and how he gained 5 star reviews. Why he is so passionate about writing soap-opera-slash-personality-driven emails. The importance of partnership in copywriting. The difference between one off projects and growing with a business over time. The advantages o

Ahfeeyah C. Thomas is our guest for the 264th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Ahfeeyah is a serial entrepreneur who teaches business owners how to grow their teams, so they can scale to 6 and 7 figure businesses. If you’ve been wondering how you can scale your business or become a better leader, tune into the episode. How a resume writer became a successful CEO. How to navigate entrepreneurship with a love for the corporate sector. The better way to write your resume to land the job. Why you need to improve your job descriptions to attract the right candidates. Lessons from Harvard you can use in your own business. How to build team productivity and why you need an organizational chart. The core system Ahfeeyah uses to help her clients scale their businesses. Is it ever too soon to hire? How a virtual assistant or social media manager will help your business. Mistakes business owners are making and how to fix them. The scalable CEO model: How

Rachel Ngom is our guest for the 263rd episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Rachel is a Pinterest Strategist and Expert who teaches her clients how to utilize Pinterest to build their pipeline of leads. She plans to retire by 40 and has made investments and an action plan to make it happen. Here’s how the conversation breaks down: How Africa changed Rachel’s life for the better. How Rachel built a 6-figure business with -$400 and a new baby. The reality of selling on social media and the pivots that come along the way. Getting 1.8 million people to find your blog by utilizing Pinterest. Growing your list to 20k and having to pivot again and again. Living the digital nomad lifestyle while running multiple successful businesses. How to make investments from a profitable business. Why you absolutely need to put yourself in uncomfortable positions repeatedly. Building the courage to do the basic things in life when you’re in a different country and cultur

On the 262nd episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, we’re joined by Jacob Suckow. Jacob is a Funnel and Launch Strategist who helps his clients sell their products on autopilot. From filling up your lead pipeline to creating products and services that sell, this episode is filled with useful advice you can implement into your business. Here’s what we talk about: How Jacob went from working with the Seattle Seahawks to working in cookie dough sales. The method Jacob used to grow cookie dough sales from 25k to 4 million in a matter of a few years. How a pivot landed him working with companies like McDonald's and Disney. The moment he realized he needed to be his own boss. Creating a pipeline to keep clients rolling in. Why building your network is your greatest funnel resource. Switching roles from freelancer to strategist. What’s the difference? How Jacob reverse-engineered how to make 100k a year without working 80 hours a week. Why letting go of cl

We’re talking all things multi-passionate projects on the 261st episode of The Copywriter Club podcast with Annabel Landaverde. Annabel is a Launch Copywriter who doesn’t let big dreams scare her away from taking action. If you’ve ever thought to yourself, “I can't take on something new because I’m already doing so many things,” then this is the episode for you. Here’s how it breaks down: When your dream job doesn’t meet your expectations. How finding a group of like-minded people can spark new passions. Can sales and empathy go hand in hand? How to connect with your ideal client and meet them where they’re at. Is it all about sales? – How to be clear and ethical when someone isn’t a good fit. The ins and outs of internal branding and marketing for large companies. Maintaining a full-time job and building a freelancing business. How morning routines and monthly check-ins keep you on track. Do we only complete 10 projects in a lifetime?! What goe

Mentors. You look up to them and admire how they can help you, but have you ever wondered… “who are they in real life?” For the 260th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, Rob Marsh is the interviewee, and he shares answers ranging from lessons in business to his go-to self-care routine. Ready to check out the inner workings of Rob Marsh? How to navigate when business moves slower. The skill of generating big ideas. Is it innate? Analyzing your time and productivity. Are you trying to do too much? Does Rob ever struggle with writing copy? – Or is he a copy magician? The inside scoop on Rob’s best and worst clients. Raising teens and knowing when to run. The lessons you can learn from your parents and how it applies to your business. Rob’s self-care routine. What Rob hopes to do better in the next year. What is Rob Marsh’s X-factor? Rob’s advice for the introverted copywriter. Why you need to send yourself a check for 1 million dollars. Mone

Chris Orzechowski is back on the show for the 259th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Chris has shifted his business into an agency and he’s become known as an expert E-Commerce Email Strategist. Chris breaks down what it looks like to run an agency without diluting the client experience. If an agency business model has been on your mind, tune into this episode. Here’s how it all goes down: How Chris launched an agency at the beginning of a pandemic. The ins and outs of running an agency and who should run an agency. Why building an agency can come with a lot of relearning. The different types of agencies and which could be right for you. Solving agency problems. Is there a difference? Assessing the goals and milestones when running an agency. Do you have to dilute your work or client experience in an agency model? What does profit look like inside an agency? The different types of lead generation. What will work for you? How to hire and manage

Liz Wilcox will blow your email marketing mind on the 258th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Liz is a blogger turned email marketing expert who helps other bloggers become business owners. If you’ve been letting your list sit in the dust or you haven’t taken the plunge in creating an email list, this might be the episode to give you the push. Here’s how it all breaks down: Have you ever googled: How to make money from home? The overwhelm that comes with all the ways you could start a business and make money online. Why it’s a good idea to start your email list. (even with no audience) What you should do when you begin to grow your email list. Writing a book about poop? How it became the beginning of everything for Liz. The secrets behind a 100% conversion rate. Do you really need to go to the experts? Van life. Is it for you and can you start a business while living in the woods? How to think outside the box of what you see online. Going from i

On the 257th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, Kim Krause Schwalm is back on the show. Kim is an A-list copywriter and copy mentor who got her start in the marketing world. Since her first episode, she’s narrowed her focus on mentoring other copywriters on how to write better copy and attract high-level clients. If you’re looking for advice on becoming an A-list copywriter, this is for you. Here’s what we talk about: Going from time for money to value for money. What it looks like to begin mentoring by creating courses. The 5 key steps to writing good copy. Is there a set timeline for completing copy? Fact or myth: Can anyone be a copywriter? Why people devalue copy and how we can position ourselves for highest value. How grammar can make or break the sale of your product or service. The benefits of hiring a copywriter for your business. Why you need to stop working IN your business. Are the classic copywriting books still worth the read? (Kim n

John Mulry (yes, you saw that right) joins us for the 256th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. John is a direct marketing expert who was trained by Dan Kennedy. He’s the creator of Email Academy Pro and Expert Authority Formula. Currently, John’s the Director of Marketing for Todd Brown Marketing*. If you want to be seen as an expert in your field, this is the episode for you. Here’s how it goes down: The process of writing a book at supersonic speed. Bringing direct response marketing to different countries. Going from fitness expert to marketing master. How helping people can look different for everyone. Bridging the gap to help business owners connect on a deeper level with their audience. The key to being seen as the expert. How unplanned events and experiences can change your life immensely. Should every copywriter write a book? Finding joy in finding your first clients. The acquisition of new skills and how to accelerate your business. D

Jennifer Duann Fultz disrupts the status quo on the 255th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Jennifer is the founder and CEO of Chief Executive Auntie, a business aimed to teach WOC business owners how to make more money online through course creation. Interested in creating a better course experience for your students? Tune into the episode to find out how. It breaks down like this: The importance of promoting alternative and diverse voices. Money mindset and how it can affect your life (and business). The stories that are deeply rooted in us from the way we grow up. Why you don’t need to attract every single person into your course. (It’s okay to repel people.) How using your background can propel your business forward. The better way to create a course and guide students to an outcome. How to be the guide your students need and understand where they are coming from. Why you need to prime your students before they reach the next level. Customer re

For the 254th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, Amisha Shrimanker hops on to talk all about her journey from order taker to CEO. Amisha is the founder of The Copy Crew and their focus is copy for online business coaches. As business owners, we don’t always give ourselves the permission to get things wrong, but Amisha looks at this from a different perspective. Here’s what we talk about: Writing copy without knowing you’re writing copy. Finding the right community to propel your business and skillset forward. How to write pitches that land you the job. The reality of beginner pricing. Do you need to settle? Going from order taker to 20k months in 18 months. Sending people to junior copywriters when they want to haggle. The pros and cons of being the order taker. Note: Learn all you can. The better way to land big clients. Why you need to document your copywriting process. How to get extra validation from your clients. (even if it doesn’t pay.)

On the 253rd episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, Laura Briggs breaks down the foundational steps to catapulting your freelance business. Laura is a freelance writer and coach who helps aspiring and current entrepreneurs who are ready to live life on their own terms. Already have a successful business? You’ll hear concepts and ideas through a whole new lens. – Don’t miss this one. Here’s what we talk about: Humans biggest question: “What do I do with my life?” Balancing a full-time job and growing a side hustle business. The best way to use Upwork and break into the freelance writing world. Whether or not you need a website in the beginning. Pitching to clients on weekends through LinkedIn. Your first portfolio and what it needs to include. Landing a 50k ghostwriting book project through Upwork. The pros and cons of Upwork and using it to its fullest potential. Why you need to personalize your pitches. How to overcome the “new writer” syndrom

On the 252nd episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, we dive deep into courage with Heather Hubbard. After some unforeseen events and challenges, Heather shifted from powerful lawyer to powerful CEO of Simple Courage. Heather describes Simple Courage as more than a mantra but a mission and movement to both individual and collective change. Here’s how it all goes down: Why the drastic shift from lawyer to Simple Courage movement. What to do when we can’t get ideas out of our heads. Making major shifts and strides in the middle of a pandemic. Dealing with dysfunctional relationships and tragic life events and moving forward. Saving face and not being true to one’s self. The standards that are set by society and how to break them. Why being uncomfortable can be good and bad. How to choose or recreate your own stories. The 4 types of courage and changing between each. The difference between fearlessness and courage. Showing up brave because you have to

On the 251st episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, we’re joined by none other than  Laura Belgray. Laura is the founder of Talking Shrimp and co-creator of The Copy Cure with Marie Forleo. It’s been a few years since she’s been on the show, and in which time she’s done everything she said she wasn’t going to do in her business. No matter where you are in your copywriting, you’ll hear countless insights you can apply to your own business. Ready to take notes? How to go from copywriter for clients to being a copywriter for yourself. What hiring team members can do for you and your business growth. (Hint: explode) The shift from being someone’s copywriter to stepping into your own voice and brand. Becoming the course creator and getting paid to write emails to your list. Igniting your brand so people know you exist. Why you need to start pitching yourself (yesterday). Envisioning what you truly want in your business and what it will take to get there. Laura’

On the 250th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast (250 episodes?! Get out of here!), we’ve got a few things in store. Have you ever wondered what other copywriters are charging for their deliverables? Today, we’re giving you a breakdown. We’re also joined by a few special guests, so be sure to listen to what it’s all about. 250th episode breakdown: What other copywriters are charging for sales pages at different levels in their businesses. The median and averages of copywriter yearly incomes. Why experience doesn't have to be the only factor when you’re ready to up your prices. Can you actually charge 45k for a sales page? Kira and baby Homer’s guest appearance. (Homer’s first podcast interview.) How new additions to the home can create a new dynamic in the household. (Even Kira’s cat has been needy as of late.) Creating new boundaries with a new baby and how having a team can be beneficial. Kira and Rob’s strengths when it comes to The Copywriter Club bu

We interviewed Aly Goulet for the 249th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Aly is a SaaS copywriter and content strategist. She started her content writing business while still in college, and took it all the way when she graduated. By using her cold pitch method, she’s been able to book clients in her niche and she breaks down how she made it happen in this episode. Here’s the rundown: The scrappy method and when it may be time to start investing in your business and skill set growth. Skyrocketing and hitting goals in your business in 1 year. How many cold pitches you should send a day if you want to find clients fast. Why you should actually narrow in the type of clients you want to work with. What to include in your monthly retainers and how you should go about pricing them. When your cold pitches should be long or short and why. Perfecting your project management process, so you don’t get lost in all the moving pieces of retainer deliverables. How

Dayana Mayfield joins The Copywriter Club podcast for the 248th episode. Dayana is a SaaS copywriter who focuses on SEO and conversions. After deciding to pursue writing as a career to inspire her daughter to follow her passions, she found copywriting. If you want to learn how to grow your business through networking and online platforms, this episode is for you. Here’s what we talk about: How copywriting and editing are completely different skill sets. Becoming the sole provider in a foreign country. What it takes to learn SEO copywriting and what the difference is. The pros of Upwork and going from $16 hr to $175 hr in 2 years. What you should do when you don’t have a copywriting portfolio. The better way to cold pitch and land new clients. How Dayana was able to save for 4 months of maternity leave in 1 year. Why you shouldn’t lower your standards when you need money fast. The future of copywriting. Is it still worth it? The benefits of verifying w

Nicole Piper is our guest for the 247th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Nicole is a copywriter and direct response marketer. She started her career as a global brand development strategist working for companies such as Nickelodeon, MTV, and Pokemon. Now she focuses on writing for the health and wellness space. Here’s what we talk about: Going through a divorce and losing your 6-figure job. Falling upon copy courses and becoming energized with everything you’re consuming. When you might be ready to go all in and give it your best shot. How following your gut can open up the doors to 100’s of possibilities. Feeling unsure about your copy and it falling into the hands of Kevin Rogers. Becoming Parris Lampropoulos’ cub and gaining an incredible and surreal experience. Manifesting two clients in one week by getting out of your own way. How to get comfortable with not seeing the entire path ahead of you. The secret to the fastest growth and success. Hi

On the 246th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, we’re joined by one of our newest Think Tank members, Hira Usama. Hira is a social media manager and content strategist. Hira began her freelance journey on Upwork writing e-books and immensely undercharging. She now takes clients’ social media platforms from ghost town to binge-worthy. Here’s what we talk about: Going from a content creator for an agency to freelance work. Writing 4 e-books in one month while being pregnant and finding The Copywriter Club. How she got hired at 17 years old and was published in a magazine. How to effectively use online social platforms to expand your reach. The benefits of outbound engagement and using hashtags to connect with the right people. Social media strategy for the person who just doesn’t have the time or energy for engagement. Starting the process of working with a new client and what it’s like to work with Kira Hug. How to create effective content pillars and e

Eman Ismail is our guest for the 245th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Eman is an email copywriter who has quickly become a go-to expert for all things email copy. Eman made the transition from feast or famine freelancer to CEO by implementing VIP days into her business. If you want to make the switch to VIP days and day rates, don’t miss this episode. Here is what else we cover: Going from charity worker to charity freelancer. The difficulties of being a mom and owning a business. How to let your network know what you do in a way that’s not uncomfortable. Shifting niches and how to attract your ideal customer. The fastest way to level up your freelance business. When being booked out doesn’t mean paying the bills. Hitting the first 5k month and shifting your mindset to get out of feast or famine mode. How niching down can be terrifying but bring in more clients than ever before. When to increase your prices and invest in yourself. The secret

On the 244th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, Sarah Greesonbach joins the show. After spending years in the classroom, she discovered the world of content marketing and e-commerce. Sarah is a prime example that you can be a highly paid and sought-after content writer when you position yourself as the expert and provide value time and time again. Here’s what we talk about: Writing an ebook all about life after teaching and jumping into the online business realm. Putting your all into your passion without boundaries. Creating an open door after getting laid off. Going from $20-30hr to $800 blog posts. How to make the shift in money and clientele. The reality of setting up your mindset for growth and success. Why you shouldn’t be shopping in your dream client’s wallet. The clear and cut process of writing white papers. What white papers are going for these days and how it can be your in with a potential client. How to showcase your authority right

On the 243rd episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, Yara Golden (dare we say it) drops gems you need to take note of. Yara Golden fell into the world of copywriting unexpectedly and said goodbye to her relationship coaching days. Now, she runs an agency of copywriters on the basis of storytelling. Here’s what we covered: How our greatest strengths can become our biggest weaknesses. When things seem to be falling apart, how do you pick up the pieces? The art of not being able to screw up being yourself. Transitioning from relationship coach to email copywriting magician. 3 lessons to improve yourself and the relationships you have with others. Going against the grain and breaking the copy “rules.” The #1 thing business owners need. How to strategically take on multiple clients at a time while managing a team. Reaching the epiphany step in the story selling method. The secret to being the character that your ideal client or customer wants to be. The

Jared Macdonald is our guest for the 242nd episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Jared is a copywriter whose focus is on user experience and customer research. It’s more than just the words we write, it’s about getting inside the heads of our ideal clients, so we can provide a product or service they truly need and want. Jared has proved his expertise in the area of serving his clients because he works with his clients for an average of 2.5 years. Here’s what else we talked about: Combining copy research with user experience and creating magic. Taking a life-threatening situation and turning it into a positive. Being okay with not having everything figured out in your business journey. There is no tiering to struggles and understanding we don’t know what someone is battling. How doing tasks in your business that don’t scale can end up leading to immense growth. Why over-delivering and building lasting client relationships go hand in hand. The steps to create

On the 241st episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, Daniel Lamb jumps on the show. Daniel Lamb is a copywriter who helps marketing agencies and B2B brands create conversions within their funnels. Throughout his time as a bartender and agency copywriter, he was able to take essential skills and blend them into his own agency.We also talked about:How to leverage opportunity when it’s sitting right in front of you.Connecting music and copywriting and how they both can evoke a response.The reality of creating your own luck. - Is it possible?What you gain when working with low-paying clients.Skills you gain while working for an agency.How to properly use data to get the best results for clients.Starting an agency “your way” after getting furloughed.The running cycle of looking for clients. - Feast and famine?Turning rubber bands and duck tape into smooth and clear systems.Tips on what to do when you’re fearful of diving into the stats.If you want to run an agency, then you need to be clear

Kira and Rob join each other as guests on the 240th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. After hosting the show and being business partners for almost 5 years, they discuss tips and tools others can use to create more growth and avoid pitfalls along the way. Here’s how it breaks down: The 6 Mistakes Rob and Kira have made during their copywriting careers. Why being part of a community will skyrocket your career and build your skillset. How to be a problem solver for your clients, so they don’t have to guess and search for a solution. What Rob was doing before The Copywriter Club. Why this simple word will give you more power and create higher quality work. The value of testimonials and why they’ll grow your business. Being unaligned and the results it can bring. How to overcome comparisonitis when it keeps knocking at your door. Unveiling your unique mechanism and x-factor, so you can tap into your full-potential. How to successfully pull off a vir

Full Transcript: Kira:  Being a launch copywriter is not the easiest thing in the world. You've got to understand launch strategy, be able to write sales pages and emails, maybe even write webinar scripts, Facebook and Google or YouTube ads, and more, and often even just support your client through the launch experience, which can be a rollercoaster at times. It's the kind of work that can easily lead to burnout if you're not careful. Our guest for the 239th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is former Think Tank member, Kristina Shands. She joined us to talk all about the work involved with writing and strategizing for launches, and she talked about ways to make launches more enjoyable too. Rob:  So, before we get to our interview with Kristina, we want to tell you that this podcast is brought to you by The Copywriter Think Tank. This is something we've been talking about quite a bit recently, and if you're tired of hearing us promote the Think Tank, maybe just visit the copyw

On the 239th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, we’re joined by Kristina Shands, Copywriter and Launch Strategist. Kristina took her background in nonprofit and Public Relations and has been able to transform her clients’ businesses through the launch of their products and services. If you’re somebody who’s been dabbling in the launch world, and you want to increase the experience you provide your clients, this episode is a must-listen. We also talked about: How launching has changed and how the “what” has stayed the same. Giving people what they need to make an empowered decision by listening to what they have to say. How to hold space for your clients during a launch when launching can be high-energy and demanding. The strategy you can provide for your clients, so they don’t feel they have to do it all. The better way to have a killer launch and not get burned out. The easiest way to set reasonable standards and expectations for clients. The benefit to

This week on The Copywriter Club podcast, Marietta Gentles Crawford drops the secrets to standing out on LinkedIn without changing who you are. Marietta is a Brand Strategist and LinkedIn expert whose focus is on growing a strong personal presence *like a real human.* Amp up your personal brand and LinkedIn profile by taking notes and following along. We also covered: The once upon a time of an about section. (Hint: It was called a summary section.) How to support the authority of your brand. Pulling quality traits from every experience you’ve had and why it’s highly-valuable to your clients. Why you should never have to chase your audience, and instead, keep them knocking at your door. What not to do on LinkedIn, so you can avoid being the pushy salesperson online. Why you shouldn’t change who you are from platform to platform. - Your voice should be the same everywhere you go. The secret to pitching to large businesses and landing the gig. LinkedIn for sl

Dave Ruel joins us for the 237th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Dave is a serial entrepreneur and best-selling author of the book, “Done by Noon.” There’s an ongoing need to get more done in less time, and Dave paves the way to do just that. Whether it’s working fewer hours, finding a work-life balance, or you just need more direction when it comes to productivity, this episode is a must-listen. Here’s what we talked about: •  The plus side to bodybuilding and fitness and how it can be applied to business. •  How to manage discipline as a business owner, so you can achieve more in less time. •  The Effic method. What is it and how can you apply this to your life? •  Working hard leads to more success right? Not quite. It’s about working the right way. •  The better way to plan out goals and reach them. •  Why you need buckets in your business. •  How to look at your tasks from a different perspective and minimize urgency. •  The 4 types of tasks you need to implement i

Nicola Moors brought so much to the 236th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Nicola started her career as an investigative journalist who wrote about topics that are not easy for everyone to tell or to write. In her time as a journalist, she was able to gain essential skills that make her a great and sought-after copywriter today. Dive into this episode to uplevel your “interview” skills. We also talked about: How becoming a copywriter leads to more things you love. Creating a safe space for women to share stories that severely impacted their lives. The challenge of making stories unique and different from each other. Why you should never call an interview “an interview.” How to replicate someone’s voice without a brand guide and do it effectively. Mental and emotional stability when writing about mentally exhaustive topics. Why it’s vital to separate yourself from the story, so you can help people share their experiences in an impactful way. The best

For the 235th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, we’re joined by Jill Wise. Jill is a brand and marketing strategist, conversion copywriter, and business coach. As much as she’s dedicated to her craft and her clients, she’s also driven to create an authentic online presence. Pushing through the noise and the “rules'' of what she’s supposed to do online, she’s been able to showcase who she truly is and attract clients who align with her same brand values. Don’t miss this episode all about being more YOU in a crowded space while serving your clients at the maximum level. In this episode, we dive deep into: •  Going from a side-hustle to full-on copywriter. •  How to break the rules the RIGHT way and feel great about it. •  Creating a safe space for clients and allowing open communication right from the discovery call. •  The step-by-step process of a white-glove experience and making sure your clients are supported every step of the way. •  Why an automated system can be a grea

Mindset coach and business strategist, Linda Perry, is back for the 234th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Linda is a recovering copywriter who sheds light on how to make mindset approachable in business. No matter what stage of business, everyone experiences struggles with mindset in one way or another. There's a ton of great advice in this episode. You’ll want to note all the ways you can make mindset practical in your own business. Here’s an inkling of what we talked about: •  The mindset around pivoting and the fear of not making money. •  The sneaky way low-hanging fruit can set you back if you’re not aware, and the better way to handle the low-hanging fruit. •  The truth about being afraid to say no to projects and the feeling of always saying yes to everything. •  The answer to the question: Are you telling yourself stories or facts? •  How to create vision in your business and why it’s the #1 thing to do. •  Why creating boundaries are key to setting yourself up to

For the 233rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Mariah Phillips shares the secret to building a copywriting business in the nonprofit sector. Mariah is a Digital Marketing Strategist and Copywriter based in Baltimore, Maryland. She teaches entrepreneurs how to market their businesses and tell their stories. If you’ve been looking for a way to make an impact in your copywriting career, give this episode a listen. (Or read.) Here's what we talked about in this interview: •  Mariah’s journey through brand story development and the secret to long standing brands. •  How to write for top nonprofits AND earn a living. •  The right way to build a local community event with the power of words. •  The brilliant way to pivot and share knowledge with others about your expertise. •  A day in the life of an agency writer: sampling 10’s of voices?! •  The truth about going down the rabbit whole. (Can it actually be a good thing?) •  What you need to know about working in fundraising. -

On the 232nd episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, we’ve got Marcus McNeill. Marcus is the co-founder and CEO of Magic based in Boulder, Colorado. He works with purpose-driven companies who seek global impact and change around both the country and world. He’s helped leaders such as Eckhart Tolle and Deepak Chopra spread their missions and messages across the globe. You may want to grab a notepad right away because this episode is full of insights you won’t want to miss. In this episode, we discussed: •  How a conscious-based life can radically shift perspective. •  Why learning from Deepak Chopra became the greatest catalyst to vulnerability and openness. •  The secret to going from monkey mind to observing thoughts with confidence •  How an agency helped in decriminalizing magic mushrooms. - and the key marketing components needed to make such an impact. •  How to create multiple avatars for one campaign and nail their personal values to make an impact. •  The ingredients behi

On the 231st episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, we’re joined by Sara Vartanian. Sara is a launch strategist and copywriter, but before that, she was a teacher and e-commerce business owner. She’s really done it all. After obtaining vast knowledge of the copywriting world through her e-commerce business, Sara has been able to grow her presence and establish herself as an authority in the online space. If you’re ready to create an effective lead magnet and begin building your email list, then you’ve come to the right place. Some of what we cover, includes: •   how to carry over skills from teaching into copywriting, plus two tips on being a better mentor. •   why giving less is more and how to charge for value rather than trying to give away your soul for pennies. •   when it may be time to let go of clients who are no longer serving you and open up space for new opportunities. •   how to create strong boundaries right from the sales call and how to stick with them. (No matter

On the 230th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, Rob and Kira are going guestless. They’re sitting back and answering some questions they get frequently among our community. They’re giving their best advice and tips for new and established copywriters who are looking to level up and sustain what they’re building. In this episode, we dive into: •   when you’ll get the chance to build the foundations of your business with us in just 3 months •   the truth about working for free - should you do it? •   how to hire a VA that will pay for themselves. •   9 books we’re reading right now - one genre? Never. •   the #1 question we get asked every. single. day. •   the 3 biggest levers when it comes to pricing your offers. •   how to choose the most profitable niches in copywriting. •   the good and the bad of Clubhouse. (Note: We will be on Clubhouse on Tuesdays at 5PM EST.) •   if you don’t have copywriting samples for a particular project, here’s what you should do. •   the s

On the 229th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, Selena Soo shares it all when it comes to publicity. During a difficult period, Selena began seeking information but found inspiration. Selena became a publicity strategist after stepping into the power of connecting others and helping people share their message with the world. If publicity isn’t something on your mind, it will be after listening in on this episode. In this episode, we cover: •   how to get your ideal client to find you •   why investing in yourself can change the game for your business and life •   the impact of hustle culture and seeking a balance •   when you include publicity, more eyes are on your core message •   the secret to building a strong body of work •   how to use being an introvert to your advantage •   why you need to clear on what you want to be known for •   what kind of media you should be in front of, plus how to decide on mainstream topics •   two techniques you can use to pitch you

On the 228th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, we’re joined by Eddie Biroun. Eddie is a conversion copywriter for e-comm and education brands and a forever learner of his craft. After fumbling into copywriting, he knew it was something he wanted to commit to for the long run. He became intrigued with understanding branding and what truly makes a brand stand the test of time. During our conversation, we talked about going from professional student to professional copywriter and how you can make the same leap. We also talked about: •   why stages of awareness are important and why buzzwords don’t create a connection •   failing and how you can (and should) make it work to your advantage •   how expecting a perfect first draft is like looking for a unicorn •   going from obtaining knowledge and skills in copywriting to putting it into action •   Eddie’s process in downloading the voice of a new client and why it’s important to effective copy •   how your creative artist a

On the 227th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, we’re joined by content writer Jacob McMillen, who as you'll see towards the end of the episode is an SEO master. Jacob shares his insights on writing great copy and running a content business. Through actively listening and really wanting to help others in his door-to-door sales job, he decided to take the world of copywriting for a spin. Having scaled to 6 figures, we talked about the stages of business as a freelancer and what it really takes to make it. What's more... he’s the #1 search result for “copywriter” on Google. We break down: •   how copywriting can be the good of sales without the ick •   how Jacob went from accounting student (who didn't want to be an accountant) to copy expert •   Jacob’s natural talent for connecting a solution to a problem •   the perfect lucrative combination of marketing •   how batting 5% is crushing the pitching game •   how persistence is necessary in the beginning •   how to get your

Our guest for the 226th episode of The Copywriter Podcast is Christy Cegelski. Like many people who’ve become copywriters, Christy’s journey to becoming a copywriter was not a traditional one. She learned her marketing and copywriting skills after launching her own FOOD business. She gave us insights on how starting a business the “right” way isn’t the only way. Great results can be achieved by going off the beaten course and by following intuition. If you’re thinking about how your own background could prove useful in your copywriting career, make sure to give this episode a listen. This is how it all breaks down, we talked about: •   how Christy went from mommy blogger to food creator •   how margarita mix made Christy a copywriter •   the stigma of not being paid well as a writer was proving painfully true in the beginning •   her passion working behind the scenes with email funnels, website copy, social media •   the end of the food creation business but the beginning o

One of the things we love about The Copywriter Club Facebook group is that we have members all over the world… in just the last 60 days, members from 99 different countries on every continent except Antartica—places like Bulgaria, Colombia, Lithuania, Nigeria, India, and of course the UK, US, Australia, and Canada—have stopped in to read posts, ask questions, comment or just learn from the advice and wisdom shared in the group. Our guest for the 225th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is SEO copywriter and content strategist, Chima Mmeje, who like so many others, joined the group and used the information she found there to hone her business as she started looking for clients. And now, she’s paying it all forward. She talks about: •   studying LinkedIn for lead generation (then landing her first client with her very first post!) •   the reason we should focus on human content just as much as expert content •   articulating her process in order to raise her prices •   bloggin

Today’s guest for the 224th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast is Bree Weber.  Bree has a somewhat different approach to cold pitching than some past guests we’ve had on the podcast.  One that takes a lot more time, but also seems to get better results.  We ask her not only to divulge all of the secrets to her process, but she also shares a pitch she used to land a big client. One we think will make you want to pause this episode and take note.  Scroll down to have a listen. A few other things we discussed were… •   how she became a copywriter through a process she calls business roulette •   what pet photography, video game streamer and Super Meat Boy all have in common •   what is ethical cold pitching and Bree’s process for making it effective •   how Bree created credibility and authority in her pitches when she had “no portfolio, no fancy names to drop or real stats…” •   how she reinvented herself after losing all of her retainer clients in 2020 •   Bree’s fears an

Copywriter and philosophy graduate, Chris Collins is our guest for the 223rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. He's a member of the Underground and the Copywriter Think Tank so we've seen first hand how cold pitching has transformed his copywriting career and helped him get the clients he wants.  We knew this is something we wanted to hear more about directly from Chris, so we asked him about... •   how being a mommy blogger launched his career •   how he saved himself hours of time streamlining his pitching process and scaling it •   how he got past his fear of cold pitching •   exactly how many emails should you send to your email list? •   the importance of building relationships versus up leveling yourself •   why just learning “stuff” isn’t enough •   what to do if you don’t have money to invest in yourself or your business •   why research is critical for a stand-out cold pitch •   Chris's highest converting subject line – averaging over a 90% open rate •   how

What does it take to build a successful business from scratch? We're talking about going from nothing to 6 or even 7 figures as a freelancer.  Well as you know, it's not one simple thing, but a combination of a lot of things from choosing a niche and building your network to encouraging referrals and building multiple streams of income.  Our guest for the 222nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is Brandi Mowles.  We talk to her about her step-by-step approach for creating a successful business that can work for you.  In this episode we discuss: •   why doing "what she's supposed to do" didn't work out for her •   why Brandi went to law school with zero intention of working as a lawyer afterwards •   why she chose to lean into network marketing and what that has to do with the "glass ceiling" •   how she took a leap of faith and went all in with her online businesses •   whether or not there is a grace period for niching down - her take on it •   her journey from VA to So

For a lot of us, being a copywriter is something we just stumble upon accidentally. And for most beginners, it’s getting harder and harder to know what to do when you’re starting out. Our guest for the 221st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is Delesia Watson. If you’re a beginning copywriter, or you want a fresh approach on how to approach marketing and the world of copywriting, then this interview is for you. To hear everything that Delesia shared, scroll down and click the play button. Or download this episode to your favorite podcast app. You can also find a transcript below. We also talked about: •   how Delesia’s went from social media writer to copywriter •   Delesia’s start in Public Relations and how it helps her as a copywriter •   Delesia’s interview process that puts prospects and clients at ease •   A look into what her first year in business looked like •   Power of storytelling: Why it’s important •   Choosing the right words—what works and what doesn’t

How did last year affect your business? 2020 was hard on a lot of copywriters, but somewhere in all the chaos, many of them found a way to not just survive, but thrive. In this episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, we invited Claire Pelletreau to interview us about the past year, our own struggles, the changes we’ve made to our businesses and a lot more. We think the next year is full of potential and can’t wait to get started. Here’s what we talked about: •   how Claire set up her business to take maternity leave •   the surprises that came as she took time away (and overcoming failure) •   the mindset shifts Claire dealt with during her leave •   the lessons we learned during 2020 (and Rob’s dream about COVID) •   how we learned to like having a team to support our business •   the pivots we had to make in our business this year •   why we didn’t change our marketing sooner… waiting for pain •   how the various programs at The Copywriter Club work together •   the shift

We’ve been lucky to be mentored by several copywriters and marketers over the past few years. We met one of our mentors—Brian Kurtz—when we interviewed him way back in the beginning days of The Copywriter Club. He’s our guest, for the second time, on the 219th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We asked Brian about his stroke, how he’s changed his business this past year and a lot more, including: •   using excuses to NOT do what needs to be done •   how Brian predicted COVID with changes he made to his business •   retiring from all the things you don’t like to do •   Brian’s massive stroke and the impact it had on his business •   the legacy Brian wants to leave to future generations •   what he’s learned from the greatest copywriters ever •   why copywriters need to own their own media •   the different ways businesses have pivoted over the past year •   the different “clicks” on the dial that solve your client’s problems •   what he’s learned by starting a membersh

One of the things that keeps waaaay too many copywriters from achieving their goals is fear. Which is a little odd because it’s not like our work puts us in dangerous or risky situations. We’re not fighting fires or facing down bad guys. And we’re not standing on a trapeze platform high above the ground, mustering the courage to jump. But that’s a very real situation that Annie Bacher, our guest for the 218th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast has experienced. She told us about it—and the lesson it holds for copywriters everywhere—in this interview. We also talked about: •   how she went from writing about Argentinian circus artists to writing for clients •   the “fear-less” lesson Annie learned from her trapeze artist that changed her outlook •   the importance of the early career feedback Annie got from her first boss •   the “what not to do” lessons she learned in her first copywriting job •   the catalyst for leaving her job and going out on her own •   why doing your o

When it comes to creating the belief that you can deliver what your clients need, or that the products and services you write about will deliver a real transformation, nothing works better than a good demonstration. Our guest for episode 217 of The Copywriter Club Podcast is film maker and story teller, Jude Charles, who loves to talk about his formula for demonstrating proof. We covered a lot of ground in this interview, including… •   how Jude became a brand strategist and story teller •   why he wrote 11 “books" about his future life and whether he got it right •   using 10 year blocks to figure out where he is going •   the teacher who gave him a set of business cards and kicked off his career •   how he struggled to earn a few thousand dollars and the moment he almost gave up •   the difference between perspective and vision (and getting the right lens) •   figuring out the marketing and sales process to land better clients •   what copywriters should do to help clients

Writing copy with personality is hard. So what does it take to do it? We invited copywriter and brand ventriloquist Justin Blackman to talk about how he does it for the 216th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast—and to give us an update on everything he’s done since our first interview with him way back in episode 59. If you’re looking for ways to write with more personality, this interview is for you. Here’s what we covered: •   a recap of what he’s done in his business for the past 4 years •   how he doubled his salary a year after leaving his full-time gig •   how important building his authority was—and the result •   when it’s time to move on to the next thing in your career •   recreating your job/career as new opportunities arise •   what it takes to build the confidence to move forward •   taking on big challenges as a way to grow your authority and business •   the investments Justin has made in mindset •   how Justin’s ego kept him from writing his best work • 

What does it take to build and maintain a great community? We’re not sure we’ve got the answers, but we thought we should talk about it with The Copywriter Club’s Community Manager, Brandon Burton. For the past year, Brandon’s had an insider’s view of everything that happens in our free Facebook group as well as our private (paid community) Copywriter Underground group. Brandon’s influence in both groups has made these communities better. Here’s a bit about what we talked about… •   why he left a comfortable sales position to become a copywriter •   how he leveraged a multi-month parental leave to start his own business •   the blog he launched that turned into his first community •   what it takes to be a good sales person—and how to sell ourselves •   why he is re-branding his business (and the process he’s using to do it) •   the mistakes introverts are making in their businesses •   what he did early on to get his foot in the door and find clients •   what Brandon struggl

Building a successful business isn’t easy… but it should be simple. That is, you don’t need to do “all the things” in order to make a living. In fact, a minimal approach may help you grow in ways you don’t expect. Our guest for the 214th episode of The Copywriter Club is marketing minimalist Ellen Yin. She shared her formula for running a simple, but profitable business and a whole lot more. Here’s a bit of what we covered: •   how Ellen became a marketing minimalist •   the basic systems you must have in order to succeed •   the purpose behind your social media use •   the problem with adopting someone else’s marketing strategy •   her simple marketing system that keeps her sales system going •   how she takes prospects through her sales process, step by step •   how she maintains a 70% close rate on six month contracts •   the differences between marketing services and products •   the mistakes you might be making using hashtags on instagram •   short term vs. long term m

Among the copywriters we’ve had the pleasure to meet, there are a lot of former teachers who have gone from helping students learn history, math, and English and now help teach customers about products and services that meet their needs. Our guest for the 213th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is Francis Nayan, a former teacher, now conversion copywriter specializing in emails. Francis told us about how he made the switch and what he’s doing now. Here’s what we talked about: •   the first hit of dopamine that led him to believe he could make a living as a copywriter •   what he did to grow his business after landing his first client •   his wild-west approach to finding clients and why it didn’t work very well •   the first big client that turned into an intense marketing training opportunity •   why he looked forward 6 months to figure out what to do next •   how he focused on better habits to build the business he wanted •   the tangible benefits Francis has gotten fro

Do you ever listen to what our podcast guests share and think, that’s not the kind of business I am building? Today’s guest for the 212th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is Liz Painter. She has built a very “normal” copywriting business—one that probably looks a lot like your business. And there’s still a lot here that we can all learn from. Here’s what we asked her about: •   her path from journalist to email strategist and copywriter •   how copywriting and journalism are different and how to write better •   Liz’s writing process and formulas—and how it’s different from others we’ve seen •   the #1 thing she tries to accomplish in the email she writes •   3 different formulas for writing email sequences •   how Liz finds her clients and what she does to get referrals from clients •   what her business looks like today and how it all works day to day •   how Liz has networked herself into several agency relationships •   how she changes boundaries and processes when

Retainers or projects? That’s a question a lot of copywriters ask themselves when they determine what kind of business they want to build. But who says you have to choose? Our guest for the 211th episode of The Copywriter Club is Brian Speronello who’s “Barbell Strategy” takes advantage of both projects and retainers to make his business stronger and more resilient. We asked him about: •   how Brian used a course to specialize and launch his copywriting business •   the “try it before you buy it” approach to buying a course •   a random bar encounter and the importance of taking first steps toward success •   what Brian would have done differently if he had to do it all again •   the tripod framework for deciding to go full-time as a freelancer •   how Brian was able to test-drive working for himself while holding down a FT job •   what it takes to make the leap into freelancing •   what Brian’s business looks like today—it’s half of his barbell strategy •   the limits of re

For the 210th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Rob and Kira are guest-less, which means it’s just us, talking about what’s going on in our lives and in the club. Here’s what we covered this week: what we’ve done to create a routine during the “shutdown” an update on the new podcast format—what we think about the extra work what else we’re working on as we update other parts of The Copywriter Club how we’re trying to make everything we do more helpful for copywriters what we’re doing differently with our email today trying to create a better separation between work and “life” how we spend our “CEO” time and what we’re doing differently what we’re reading right now why you should ask Kira to do something crazy right now how we’ve adjusted our mastermind to virtual—and the success we’ve seen To hear what we shared on this episode, click the play button below or download the episode to your favorite podcast app. There’s a full transcript below as w

When it comes to building a copywriting business, there are lots of options. You can sell services. You can sell products. You can even create a platform. How about all three? Our guest for the 209th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast is Eman Zabi and we asked her all about her unique approach to her business—one that includes all three of these approaches to earning money. We talked about… •   an update on what she’s been doing the past 2+ years •   some of the “insane” ideas she’s pursued since our last interview •   why she made so many changes to her business •   the mistakes she made as she started building her team of 13 •   how one of her employees faked her father’s death to not get fired •   what it takes to manage a larger team (including how she pays her writers) •   what Eman’s copywriting projects look like today •   her advice to copywriters who are thinking about growing a team •   balancing business growth with mindset growth •   why Eman decided to crea

Mindset is a topic we touch on quite a bit—because a healthy mindset is the foundation for everything we do well as copywriters and in life… and an unhealthy mindset? We’ll that won’t take you anywhere good. Our guest for the 208th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is Ian Stanley. Ian doesn’t call himself a copywriter any more (we talk about why) but he knows a lot about copy and getting people to respond to his offers. We asked Ian about: •   how he became a copywriter—a story of height supremacy, MLMs and Clickbank •   what charging $5 an email taught him about templates and processes •   some of the early investments he made and what he learned from them •   hand copying sales letters—and what you might want to do instead •   how to grow taller—Ian spills the “scientific” details of an offer he wrote for •   what Ian’s done over the past couple of years to fix his broken mindset •   his daily mindset practice, the two wolves he feeds and his tattoo •   what you’re res

Getting things done—or getting MORE done—is a struggle for many copywriters including us. But systems and processes can help. Our guest for the 207th episode of The Copywriter Club podcast is systems expert, Jordan Gill. Jordan shared a ton of ideas for improving systems to help get things done and stop spending every minute on your business. It’s a message we definitely needed to hear—and maybe one you can relate to as well? Here’s what we talked about with Jordan… •   how she came to “love” systems even though she despised them •   the “launch-mageddon” that forced her to change her business for the better •   how systems give you more control and free you from anxiety •   whether people are born loving systems or whether they develop the skill over time •   how to use batching to get more done faster •   the role of discipline and creating structures that support your effort •   the “impossible” process of letting go and how to actually do it •   knowing your strengths and

Facebook ads are one of those copywriting deliverables that neither of us focus on in our business. But we want to know more. So we invited copywriter and Facebook Ad Specialist Sarah Sal to share what she knows about the dark arts of Facebook ads. Here’s what we talked about: •   how Sarah went from math and IT to writing Facebook ads •   the connections between the disciplines of math and copywriting •   the basics you need to know about the algorithm to write Facebook ads •   what elements (tactics) you should include when writing an ad •   the resources she looks for before Sarah starts to write an ad •   why you might want to encourage comments on your FB ads •   some of the changes that have some to FB ads in the last couple of years •   how she looks for the different angles that might appeal to readers •   changing ads versus changing strategy •   what Sarah has seen is the most effective kind of ad on FB •   the investments she’s made in herself to make her more e

One of the “options” for copywriters who don’t want to limit themselves to solely writing for clients is creating and promoting their own products. And for many of the copywriters who take this path, it’s very lucrative. Our guest for the 205th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is Justin Goff. Justin has created his own offers and in this interview he talks about how you can do the same thing. We also talked about: •   how a gambling debt he couldn’t pay led to his first online product •   his over-the-top reaction to his first ever online sale of $149 •   what he learned working in the gaming niche (as a student) that still helps him today •   the one thing you need to do to be a better copywriter •   how he landed his first few clients as he got into copywriting •   the terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-week that led to his first real success •   how he came up with the Big Idea that launched a 23 million dollar business •   reverse engineering a product to find your

Too many copywriters have a limiting belief around how much they can charge for their services, so our guest for the 204th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is Jereshia Hawk, a high-ticket sales coach who shared how we can overcome that mindset issue. But that’s not all we talked about. We also covered… •  how she became known for helping clients increase high-ticket sales •  how her “engineering” approach shifts her thinking about products, problems and failure •  overcoming objections—after the sale •  why she carves out an hour on Monday’s for “superthinking” •  her thoughts on building a team (and our role as an “employee” of your company) •  what a personal performance review should look like (questions you can ask) •  the zero sum budget approach to goal setting •  how copywriters can overcome the idea that they can’t make a lot of money •  the first steps toward building a high-ticket offer (like as much as $40K or more) •  the simplicity rule that can instantly

How do you attract clients to your business? That’s one of the subjects we covered with Jenn Robbins, the guest for the 203rd episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Jenn is an expert on funnel strategy and shared the three types of funnels every business owner should have—not right away, but eventually, if you’re going to grow. But that’s not all we covered, here’s a partial list of what we asked Jenn… •   going from 80 hour weeks in accounting to blogger to copywriter •   why freelancers often fail before things work the second time around •   feeling like a fraud and what they says about you •   overcoming the imposter complex—a recurring theme on the podcast •   how Jenn has mixed services with other offers in her business •   making a retainer work—really work—for 9 years •   Jenn’s process for making VIP days work—and her check in “trick" worth stealing •   the 3 basic funnels every business needs •   what she does to make sure her funnels engage her prospects •   her

What kind of a business are you building? The guest for episode 202 of The Copywriter Club Podcast is Amy Posner. Amy’s the first person to be interviewed on the podcast three times—and no wonder—she’s got a lot to share. Amy’s currently rethinking the programs and services she offers her clients and we thought it might be worth talking to her about the process. We talked about all of the following: •   the agonizing journey she’s been on as she’s changing her own business model •   why the process has been so painful and pulling back on doing too much •   the three questions she’s used to figure out what to do next •   overcoming the desire to hide behind other brands •   the new products and services she’s working on creating as she pivots •   the missing career path for freelance copywriters (and how to find it) •  what it takes to be a great copywriter—we all take a stab at answering this •   the process of getting perspective on your own business •   the questions to as

He’s one of the few copywriters who truly doesn’t need an introduction—Parris Lampropoulos is our guest for the 201st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Parris spoke at both of our TCCIRL events in New York City—and it was a discussion at our event that led to this interview. rather than interview Parris about his life, we talked to him about his mentors and what he learned from them. Here’s a sample of what we covered: •   his advice to “newbie” copywriters about who to learn from •   how a fist through a window led to a job as a real estate sales manager •   the “gun to the head” trick for making sure prospects want to get your marketing •   why you need to make theater part of everything you write •   Parris’ copywriting reading list—and why you should read each book 3X •   what he looks for when he’s doing research—his I didn’t know that list •   the mentor who was a former marine with a vulnerable side •   the way most people listen—and how to do it right for better

It’s time to celebrate… we’ve reached episode 200 of The Copywriter Club Podcast. This episode marks a tweak to our format and an update to the music we use. And to help us celebrate the changes—and our anniversary—we invited copywriter and marketing consultant Mike Kim to share his story and what he’s learned over the last several years of his career. Here’s a recap of what we covered: •   how he went from marketer to blogger to copywriter •   the importance of professional-grade production—spoiler: it’s not •   the #1 thing you need in your content to get traction •   simplifiers vs. multipliers (and where Mike, Rob and Kira fit in) •   what he did to find his first clients and what he did next •   the present-negative/future positive reason why he left a high-paying CMO role •   the impact copywriting had on sales (when he was a CMO) •   what Mike would do differently if he had to start over •   his personal “code” for investing in coaching, courses and contractors •   t

This episode is completely different from anything we’ve done before. If you’re here for copywriting and business tips, you might want to skip this one. But, if you want to get a sense of the breadth of musical talent in The Copywriter Club, tune in, because this one is fun. When we announced we were updating the podcast for episode 200 (coming next week), we put out a call for the musicians in our group to let us know what they think the new intro should sound like. We’ve collected the submissions to share with you. What do you think? Did we make the right choice? The copywriters/musicians mentioned in this episode: Mario Bourzac / The Protected Left Jeff Herman / Mind Rock Robin Burke Neil Campbell Paul Hanna/Chad Reisliger Paola / Texxex Daniel Lamb Bill Kernodle Robin Burke Rachael Pilcher Alex Moon Steven Scott Jessica Marshall David Muntner Paul Conners Andre Johnson Addison Rice/The Love Sprockets I’m not sure if we’ve smiled more during a podcast than w

Copywriter Allea Grummert is our guest for episode 199 of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Wait… are we really about to cross the 200 episode frontier? Yep, and Allea is the perfect guest to wrap up the last 100 episodes before we make a few changes to the format. We talked to Allea about her processes, her switch from blogging to copywriting, and how she’s made so much progress in the past year. Here’s the breakdown of what we covered: •  the long road from personal finance blogger to copywriter •  her best personal finance ideas for copywriters •  why she waited so long to call herself a copywriter •  how she finds clients today (a lot of them come from conferences) •  the take-aways from Allea’s work as an implementer •  her process for working with clients—the whole thing—start to finish •  what she charges for her audits (and what makes them valuable) •  the differences between the packages she offers to clients •  how she structures the email sequences she writes •  how s

Copywriter and Creative Director Sam Pollen is our guest for the 198th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Sam works in-house at an agency focused entirely on copy—there are no designers—which might be a dream for a lot of copywriters. We asked Sam about the differences between the freelance world and the work his team does. Here’s an idea of what we covered during the interview: •   how Sam went from zoology student to copywriter and creative director •   why Sam prefers to work in-house and leaves the freelancing to others •   how he works with other writers in his role as a CD •   the creative process at agencies and how everyone works together •   how they work with designers and hand off copy to the design team •   this skills and training a copywriter might need to be a creative director •   Sam’s writing process and how he generates ideas for each assignment •   asking “stupid questions” to truly understand the products we sell •   how asking the questions that ar

Red hot copywriter Lorrie Morgan is our guest for the 197th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. As a stay-at-home mom she looked for a job that she could do from home. When a client asked for a 52-part auto responder, she knew she had to get serious about the craft. And she shared her decades of experience, as we asked about: •   her journey from actor to copywriter to direct response guru •   what she learned from her mentors (and who they are) •   what it takes to “write fearlessly” … Lorrie breaks down what she did •   the “pain-in-the-butt” writing exercise that makes you into a better writer •   what she did to attract clients when she was just starting out •   what she learned from moving 16 times before she graduated from high school •   how she uses an alter-ego to go beyond her limitations and write copy •   self-care and how Lorrie makes sure she feels good enough to write well •   the biggest mistakes her copywriter clients make •   the differences between wr

Copywriter and persuasion expert Adil Amarsi is the guest for the 196th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Adil is working on a book on Persuasion and recently changed the title he prefers from Copywriter to Creative Director because he does so much more than copy. We covered quite a bit of ground during our discussion, including: •  how writing daily stories as a kid led to a gig as a copywriter (before he knew what copywriting was) •  his process for attracting his first clients •  what he did to learn copywriting and who he learned it from •  the “first week’s earnings” deal that netted him six figures •  what not to do when you get a windfall •  going from £300 to $30,000 + 4%—the secret of Adil’s success •  mental health issues and the impact on his business •  how much time he spends writing versus ideation •  breaking down what a $30K project looks like •  the clause that Adil adds to his contract that you’ll definitely want to borrow •  walking the line betwee

Growth marketer and event co-founder, Stef Grieser, is the guest for the 195th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Kira met Stef and Shine Bootcamp late last year and immediately knew that she had a lot to share with our audience. But we didn’t just talk about speaking. We covered a lot of ground—and went a little longer than usual. Here’s a taste of what we talked about: •   Stef’s career path and how she came to co-found two big events •   how she used meet-ups to “test drive” CTA Conference •   how the first CTA Conference line up led her to focus on diverse voices at conferences •   the mix of speakers and why up-and-comers are just as important as stars •   what she did to turn herself into a conference speaker •   the difference between “growth” marketer and “regular” marketer •   how Stef scaled her team and community as she built CTA Conf •   what makes a good speaker pitch and how to get accepted as a speaker •   the cues that let conference organizers know you

Copywriter Christina Torres is our guest for the 194th guest on The Copywriter Club Podcast. Christina is a member of The Underground and The Copywriter Think Tank so we’ve seen some of the changes she’s made to her business recently. We talked to Christina about her business and the kinds of things she does as a pocket CMO. Here’s most what we covered… •  her story—how she became a copywriter by mistake •  how she got permission to do the thing she really wanted to do •  what she does in her role as a CMO in your pocket •  how she’s worked with copywriters as a CMO to help them grow •  some examples of her work and how she helps people get out of their own way •  how she attracts and connects with her clients •  why she took the time to figure out what she doesn’t like to do •  how she found clients in the the programs she has joined •  the importance of taking a stand in her business and making change •  the idea of a culture and equity audit for the work she does •  h

Copywriter Brittany McBean is our guest for the 193rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We wanted to talk to Brittany after we heard about the success she had when she completed the “Find a Client in 3 Weeks or Less” Challenge we offered in The Copywriter Underground this past April. In addition to that, Brittany shared her path to copywriting and the nuts-and-bolts of creating a paid workshop for your list. Here’s what we covered in this interview: •  going from acting in musical theater to network marketing to copywriter •  the on-the-job training she gave herself when she landed her first project •  what she learned as a signer, dancer and actor that makes her a better copywriter •  how she approaches marketing for herself so it doesn’t feel spammy •  her advice for people who are using Facebook to go live with video •  Brittany’s experience with the Find a Client Challenge in The Copywriter Underground •  the three different kinds of clients you need in your busine

Business coach and copywriter Ashley Gartland is our guest for the 192nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. No surprise, when it comes to helping other writers build a solid business, she knows her stuff. So we asked Ashley about a whole range of things, including: •  how she ended up as a writer and business coach •  what she does in her business today and the problems she helps solve •  what a “better not bigger” business looks like and how to create one •  a few of the business models that help copywriters grow a better business •  what Ashley does to help free up more time for clients •  her “marketing audit” and what it involves for her clients •  what copywriters starting out can do to build a “better not bigger” biz •  what happens when people hit their goals and what comes next •  growing a team and what you should think about as you scale and grow •  how to grow a business WITHOUT a team •  how Ashley deals with overwhelm and getting things done •  the tools

Copywriter Kaitlyn Parker is our guest for the 191st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We got to know Kaitlyn a bit better at this years IRL event where she took more than 35 pages of notes, recording the most important ideas and tactics that the speakers shared. We asked her why she did that as well as a lot of questions about how she's grown her business. Here's most of what we covered: •  how she turned a social media gig with LuluLemon into her current role as a copywriter •  what she does to make social media effective for her business •  how often she posts on instagram (and the size of her audience) •  how to make “copy” posts work on visual media like Instagram or Pinterest •  whether hiring a photographer for social images is worth it or not… ROI? •  how Kaitlyn comes up with the images for her brand •  her process for helping clients develop and dial in their brands •  the packages and deliverables she offers to her clients •  how her prices have evolved as h

Copywriter Per Andreasen interviews Rob and Kira for the 190th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Per kicks off the interview with the Intro in Danish... which will probably confuse a few listeners expecting to hear our regular intro... then we talked about what's up with us and how the podcast will be changing in the near future. Here's most of what we talked about: •  what the intro sounds like in Danish… thanks to Per Andreasen •  how to thrive in a crisis—Rob’s advice for surviving a recession •  what has happened to our business since the virus became a “thing” •  the Copywriter Roundtable… and why we don’t promote it •  how The Copywriter Club evolved into what it is today •  how The Copywriter Club is a bit like a cult •  how we deal with imposter complex ourselves •  when the biggest leaps in our business have happened •  why we haven’t offered certifications for the training we provide •  our biggest program failure and what we did instead •  the changes we a

In the 189th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with A-lister Carline Anglade Cole on how supporting her firefighter husband led to a career as a copywriter, what she learned from her mentor Clayton Makepeace, how she connects with her prospects and more. Here's a bit of what we covered... •  her ballsy approach to scoring a 2-hour interview for a marketing position •  how she learned the craft of copywriting without courses or books •  how doing a great job on a promotion got her fired (and 6 months of severance) •  the WWCD question that helped her write a promotion that got a 5% response •  what she’s done to go deeper with copy than most copywriters •  her life as a 50 year old white man •  what she learned from working with Clayton Makepeace •  her approach to testing a lot emotions so the market comes to her •  how her income went up every time Clayton criticized her writing •  what it takes to write kick-butt copy that resonates with her audi

In the 188th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with Gin Walker on how her experience as a stage actor influences her writing process, her REACH framework, the misunderstanding that turned her into a copywriter, and what she does to manage the competing interests in her life.  Here’s the outline of what we covered during this interview: •  the airplane discussion that “mistakenly” turned her into a copywriter •  the podcast that helped her discover what copywriting is •  the difference between copy editing and copywriting •  how she landed her first few clients after she made her career switch •  what she did to build on her initial success and grow her business •  how attending TCCIRL changed her business •  how being an actor has helped Gin as a copywriter •  how she uses her R.E.A.C.H. framework as she works with clients •  what she does to manage all the competing interests in her life •  how her business has changed over the past year •  what

Conversion designer and sales page specialist Melissa Burkheimer is the guest for the 187th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We talked a bit about why copywriters and designers don't always see eye-to-eye and what we all can do about it. We also asked Melissa about why she niched to conversion design and sales pages and her design process. Here's what we covered: •  how Melissa became a “conversion designer” and started her own business •  what she learned from investing in several programs and courses •  how she connected with Amy Porterfield through a friend of a friend the “relationship” process she followed to keep adding clients to her roster •  her thoughts about “pay to play” and what we think about it too •  what she would do to get traction if she had to start over today •  why she niched to working only on sales pages and the impact on her biz •  how she prices her sales pages and the packages she offers •  what it takes for copywriters to work closely with a

In the 186th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with two ambitious copywriters who recently launched the first of many Women Led Summits. Their first summit included 45 different speakers, helped them grow their email list and actually made money. We wanted to know how they did it, so we invited Great Cate and Betsy Muse to the studio to chat. Here's what we covered: •  how Betsy and Greta became business partners •  the paths they both took to becoming copywriters •  the original vision for the women-led summit and how it came together •  what does it take to create a summit today •  all the moving pieces for producing a summit… time, editing, interviews, etc. •  how Betsy and Greta made it all work •  their favorite take aways from the 45 speakers who participated •  the impact the summit had on their list and bottom line •  the real goal of their summit (it wasn’t really about the money) •  how they promoted their summit—the promotion plan •  their

Health copywriter, Darren Hanser, is our guest for the 185th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We recently met Darren at an event in Las Vegas, then again at The Copywriter Club In Real Life and after chatting, we knew we had to have him on the show. Darren has built a solid copy business and we got him to share how he did it. Here's what we talked about: •  why he may have been destined to become a copywriter even as a child •  the google search term that led him to a career as a copywriter •  how he made more than $98,000 in a weekend… to prove he could write •  how he learned to come up with lots of good ideas •  the importance of the mechanism and how Darren uses it in his copy •  his “double down” approach to finding more copy assignments •  his “leap frog” approach to investing in the next thing •  how he got a client to pay for his first copy coach •  what his business looks like today and where his income comes from •  his writing process from research to delive

Copywriter Rachel Greiman is our guest for the 184th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Rachel has worked almost exclusively with photographers since she launched her copywriting business a few years ago. We talked about how the niche found her, her unique process and more. Here's most of what we covered: •  how she became a photographer and copywriter •  her work as a photo-journalist and the work she did •  the struggle she had in early days in her business as a copywriter •  how she charged $200 for entire websites—and why it was so low •  how clients found her as she launched her copywriting business •  why she works with associate writers and how she trained them •  what her business looks like today compared to those early days •  how she works with and pays her team and what she expects from them •  why she pays her team well and how it has helped her business •  how she trains her team to make sure they can deliver •  why she only takes one client at a time and

SEO Consultant (and reformed web designer) Meg Casebolt is our guest for the 183rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Since this is an area that we don't have real deep knowledge in, we asked Meg all about what copywriters need to know about SEO and what they should be trying to rank for. And we spent a lot of time talking about the 3-week challenge she put together last year and how it helped grow her list. Here's a pretty good list of what we covered: •  how she went from graphic design to SEO—it’s about grabbing opportunity •  what she did to learn SEO in the first place •  what she did to work through the pivot from design to SEO •  Meg’s advice for anyone working through their own pivot (or choosing a niche) •  how she ramped up her client acquisition after the first few referrals •  the best thing she’s done to grow her authority since her pivot •  the surprising thing that scared Meg as she was running her challenge •  how she ran her challenge and how she engaged h

SaaS Copywriter Rachael Pilcher is our guest for the 182nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We've had a front row seat over the past year as Rachael has made dramatic changes to her business and stepped up as an expert in the SaaS space. So we wanted to ask her about: •  how she went from travel blogging to SaaS copywriting •  what she did to find her first clients—it started with job boards •  what she learned running a “little shop” and why she sold it •  why she niched into SaaS and the clients she works with today •  the process she went through to choose her niche •  what she did to transition from blogger to fully booked copywriter •  her processes from start to finish on a project •  what she looks for in clients she takes (and those she rejects) •  her new website and the process she went through to get where she is •  Rachael’s SNACKS framework and how she uses it •  the resources she’s used to improve her skills and grow her business •  value-based pricing

In the 181st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk about what happened at TCCIRL—the best event we've held yet. Several speakers stepped up at the last minute, others brought their A-game and shared ideas and stories that have changed the businesses of the 130+ copywriters who were there. We talk about: •  the earthquake, the virus and the economic response to it •  why we can’t afford to operate from a place of fear no matter what is going on •  why TCCIRL felt “better” this year than in the past •  the speakers who had less than 48 hours to get stage ready •  a few of the speakers who really stood out to us •  what Jasmine Star taught us about scaling a business •  the hero’s journey and what marketers miss when they talk about it •  some of the advice that came out of the panel discussions •  how to think about branding from the standpoint of authenticity •  the power of constraints to make us more creative •  why its important to think about your role

Copywriter and persuasion scientist Jimmy Parent is our guest for the 180th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We've been meaning to get Jimmy on the podcast for quite a while and were finally able to make it happen. Jimmy is a master storyteller and has spent a lot of time thinking about how to make messages more compelling. We asked him about: •  how Jimmy went from phone sales to copywriter, then what he did to grow his skills •  the importance of sales skills for copywriting •  Jimmy’s two favorite books and how they’ve influenced his career choices •  the training he took advantage of as he was just getting started •  the copy training he experienced at Agora—what worked for him, what didn’t •  how to be more persuasive in your own writing •  the PMP stack for developing big ideas and how to have more of them •  how to sell your idea once you have it •  the critical message that is missing from almost all sales messages—this hurts sales •  what Jimmy is doing today

Copywriter and former cookie maker, Helen Tremethick, is our guest for the 179th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Helen has an interesting approach to working with her clients, so we asked her all about it... and we asked her about these things too: •  the path she followed from R&D director at a cookie company to copywriter •  the common thread running through the jobs she had before she became a writer •  her “complimentary relationship” tactic for finding clients •  the “platypus model” for working with branding and copy clients •  how to create, sell and deliver a workshop for clients (and the economics of it all) •  the mistakes you’ll want to avoid if you want to hold workshops •  what her Clarity Sessions include—getting the underlying brand values right •  the questions she asks her clients in her consulting work •  how she prices her introductory offers in order to attract clients •  the tactics she uses to “do brand voice” better—this is an idea worth stealin

Productivity Expert and Coach, Charlie Gilkey, is our guest for the 178th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We've admitted our struggles with getting things done on the podcast before—and neither one of us is a fan of traditional time management tactics like setting SMART goals...  so it made sense to have Charlie on to talk through how we can start finishing and get more done. We asked Charlie about: •  how he accidentally became a speaker, author and coach •  exactly what he does as a coach and how he helps his clients •  why coaches ask so many questions (and don’t always share the answers) •  an example of how Charlie works with his clients to help them find the real issues •  why so many people shy away from the work that could help them level up •  why accountability helps anyone who wants achieve more •  why time management isn’t the answer (but you still need it) •  focus blocks and how to use them to get more done •  how to stop what you’re doing that’s keeping

Social Media strategist, Andrea Jones is our guest for the 177th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We were interested in this topic because we are so bad at using social media in our own businesses and for The Copywriter Club. If you've struggled to find a way to maximize social media to help you find clients you'll want to listen to this. We asked Andrea about: •  how she became a social media strategist—she started doing posts for $5 •  what she did to meet her husband (he was annoying her on Youtube) •  what’s going on in social media today and the rise of video •  how to understand your audience so you serve them •  where you should start if you’re overwhelmed by social media •  the importance—or non-importance—of design and “the grid” •  the bare minimum you should be sharing on social media •  how to build your audience and get the attention of your best prospects •  how to turn social media into a lead generation tool for your biz •  the mistakes people make on s

We don't often have two guests join us in the studio, but this week is one of those exceptions. For this special "un-numbered' episode, we've invited Rob Braddock and Conor Lynch to share how they become copywriters, what they're doing differently in the financial niche, and how you can earn the opportunity for a paid gig ($7,500 plus royalties) to write a promo for WealthPress. You'll want to listen to get the details. We also talked about: •  how Rob Braddock accomplished his meteoric rise from prisoner to successful copywriter •  the resources he used to learn direct response copywriter •  Rob’s daily meditation practice •  how easy it is to get your foot in the door wherever you want to work •  how Conor Lynch got his first taste of copywriting at age 13 •  the boring narrative arc in the biz-op niche that drove him to finance •  how WealthPress became the fastest growing Financial publisher •  the writing and approval process that helped Conor get promotions done faster •

Special Midweek Bonus Episode. TCCIRL is just around the corner, so we invited Event Strategist, Elaine Wellman, to join us for the 176th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. When we first published the podcast, we regularly posted two episodes a week. Now that's a rarity... thanks to the behind the scenes info that Elaine shares about TCCIRL, we didn't want to wait to publish this on.  We talked to Elaine about: •  the path she followed from public relations to coaching to event management •  how she landed her first solo event project and launched her business •  the mindset shifts needed to recognize when business isn’t working •  when you need to “go with the flow” at events and when you shouldn’t •  the different ways you can approach events (it doesn’t have to be big) •  doing the things in your business that others won’t do because they’re hard •  the truth about The Copywriter Club In Real Life •  the extra things that are truly unique about TCCIRL •  the stuff Elai

For the 175th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talked with copywriter Derek Hambrick about his path to freelance copywriter... including his first failed attempt and what made him successful the second time he gave it a go. We also talked about: •  the path he followed from communications to copywriting •  the surprising emotions Derek felt when he was laid off… panic and excitement •  how he relies on relationships to find clients for his business •  what he did to step up his copywriting game as he went out on his own •  the importance of giving and altruism to Derek’s ROI •  the process he follows as he works with his clients •  why he chose his niche and the impact its had on his business growth •  the pros and cons of working in the higher education niche •  how he moves from one client to the next and gets referrals •  the changes he’s made to his mindset in order to think bigger •  his experience in The Copywriter Underground and what he gets from

Copywriter, coach and expert marketer, Ray Edwards is our guest for the 174th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. In this wide ranging conversation, Kira and Rob asked Ray about his business, how he got started, the changes he's making in his business and life, and what he does to accomplish more than most other people... even things he thinks are impossible. Here are a few of the things we covered: •  how Ray went from radio host to copywriter •  the experiences he had working in radio that help him in his copywriting career •  his tattoos… what they are and why had has them •  what has happened in Ray’s life and business over the last few years •  what can happen when you remove the fear from your life •  why it’s important to let your hidden personal beliefs influence your work persona •  the power of impossible goals to set off a quantum leap in your life and business •  why worthy failures are critical for achieving your impossible goals •  Ray’s two-word counsel you

Accountant and business consultant, Erik Solbakken, is the guest for episode 173 of The Copywriter Club Podcast. If you saw that Erik is an accountant and thought, "maybe I'll skip this one" don't. Because we didn't really talk with Erik about the typical accounting stuff. Instead, Erik shared how he changed the pricing model for his service business and how copywriters can do the same thing. Now instead of trading time for money, a signifiant portion of Erik's income is completely independent of the time he spends working with clients. Instead, he makes more when he creates more value.  Kira and Rob asked Erik about: •  how he went from tax accountant to strategic consultant •  what he did to significantly change how he earns a living as an accountant •  the realization that how long a thing takes isn’t connected to its value •  the three lies business owners tell themselves about money •  a breakdown of why value can’t be attached to the time spent to create it •  why working w

Allison Evelyn Gower is our guest for the 172nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We asked Allison about her experience creating her first program, what inspired her to move fast, and how she got scrappy to fill it. She offers plenty of learning and advice to anyone who is thinking of creating a program or course. Here's the outline of what we covered during this interview: •  what inspired her transition from film production to copywriting •  how she learned to be “scrappy” as a production assistant •  how Allison landed her first few clients •  what’s happened in her business since she launched—lots of changes •  the process she went through to find her niche •  the 3 things that have been the biggest game changers for her business •  how she pulls brand personality out of her clients •  the answers Rob and Kira gave to one of Allison’s on-boarding questions •  how to get feedback from clients on the words that describe you •  secrets for identifying the language that

It's a bit early to pick a best episode of 2020, but we predict this will be an early contender. Master copywriter, Stefan Georgi, joined us for the 171th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, to talk about how he became a copywriter who has helped his clients earn $700 million is sales. That is NOT a typo. Stefan is a terrific copywriter and this interview is practically a workshop on writing better sales letters. We talked about: •  the lucky poker game that turned Stefan into a copywriter •  how he landed his first two clients (and $300) 24 hours after calling himself a copywriter •  growing into clients and selling almost $700 million worth of products •  the crazy amount of work that earned Stefan $80K a month •  how he ended up writing 8 out of 10 of the top performing pages on click bank •  how he obsessed over the craft of copywriting (and what that involved) •  his favorite copywriting resource—we’ve included a link so you can get it too •  the RMBC method for writin

For the 170th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob do something they haven't done in awhile and that's chat about what's going on in their lives and The Copywriter Club. Plus, they talk about the most popular episodes of the podcast this year—and of all time. Both of them listed a few of their favorites from the past 12 months... if you haven't listened to all the past year's episodes, this is a great way to find a few you don't want to miss. Here's what they covered: •  what’s happening in our lives right now •  the goals we have for the coming year •  the amazing speaker line-up at The Copywriter Club In Real Life  •  what makes TCCIRL different from other conferences •  what you’ll walk away with if you come to the event •  another great resource for reaching your goals—The Copywriter Underground •  the new Underground Case Studies •  a few specifics about the print newsletter that goes out to all members •  the top podcasts from 2019—these are the most list

Messaging expert Michelle Mazur joins Rob and Kira in the studio for the 169th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Michelle started her career as a speech consultant, then pivoted to talking about the 3 Word Rebellion and how a rallying cry can make your business more resilient. We talked about: •  how Michelle became a messaging coach and strategist •  what a “messaging strategist” actually does on a day-to-day basis •  how she lost her “why” and completely changed her business •  what a three-word rebellion is and why you need to start one •  a real world example how a “three-word rebellion” changes a business •  the process for creating your own rallying cry or •  the two things a good three-word rebellion (or positioning statement) does •  how to make a pivot in your business (and how to message it) •  how a three-word rebellion acts as a frame for speaking to your audience •  what Michelle has done to overcome the imposter complex •  her messaging advice to someone

NPR Podcaster and story teller, Glynn Washington, was generous enough with his time to visit our studio and share his thoughts about podcasting, storytelling and the hustle required to make something great for the 168th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We love this interview. Here's a few of the things we talked about with Glynn: •  how (and why) he built a career as a podcaster and radio producer •  the reaction he got when he announced his intention to be a podcaster •  what he did to help his podcasts gain traction—it took a lot of hustle •  the very “untechnical” process he used to create his first podcast •  how he came to understand the power of a good story •  what makes a great story that you can’t help but stop and listen to •  how to introduce an unbelievable story and get listeners to lean in •  the question every storyteller needs to ask before sharing their story •  the important reason Glynn never tells you what the story means •  the magician’s trick he

Copywriter Andrea Littell is the guest for the 167th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. As we've gotten to know Andrea over the past year and learned more about her accomplishments and struggles, it was obvious we needed to have her join us to talk about her business. This discussion covers a lot of ground, including: •  her experience as the “go to” person for marketing and copywriting •  why she started a blog—Townies—and what it did for her business •  how she attracted attention without a plan or a press kit •  why she put her blog on pause and what she’s doing now •  how to prepare for personal difficulties when you’re the provider •  the place budgeting and knowing your numbers has in your business •  how Andrea manages the money in her business •  the power of consistency to earn grace from clients when you need it •  how to keep the right mindset when everything falls apart •  why more money isn’t always the goal for Andrea’s business •  working with an agency a

Online Business Manager, Ashlee Berghoff, is our guest for the 166th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Ashlee has helped a bunch of copywriters we know and like figure out how to make their businesses more profitable... and just as importantly, helped them focus on the work they are best at (while shifting other work to a VA or OBM). That sounded like something we needed to hear more about. So we asked Ashee about ..... •  how she became an independent business manager/COO for copywriters •  the 10 months she spent working to prevent human trafficking at IJM •  when you should get help in your copywriting business •  the different kinds of VAs and other help you might consider hiring •  some examples of how she works with copywriters to grow •  the systems she helps her clients develop as they start working together •  the importance of discipline as you set up processes in your biz •  what it really costs to work with an integrator versus a VA (and what you get) •  the

This one is wild. We invited Drayton Bird (who knew and worked with some of the original mad men) to join us for the 165th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Drayton has been around the world of advertising and direct marketing since the 1960s and he has the stories to prove it. As we talked, it occurred to us that if Drayton wasn't the inspiration for The Most Interesting Man in the World, he probably should have been. We asked Drayton about: •  what happened to him the last time he went to San Diego •  how he became a successful copywriter—it’s not about creativity •  how he spent his teen-age years and why he carried 2 library cards •  Why he couldn’t choose a niche when he started writing •  the one thing Drayton says you need to be a good copywriter •  the intriguing letter he sent to David Ogilvy that got an immediate reply •  the 7 big lessons he learned from David Ogilvy •  whether being interesting is something we are or something we become •  some of the questio

Want to get better at copy? Copywriter and author, Glenn Fisher, joined us for the 164th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast to talk about how he became a copywriter and how he rapidly improved his skills. Today, Glenn teaches other how to start and get better at copywriting on his podcast, in speeches, and in his book. We asked Glenn about: •  how copywriting overtook his dream of becoming a bank manager •  pitching everyone in London before finding his first job •  what he learned from his early mentors that helped him most •  Glenn’s process for finding (and testing out) a great idea •  the difference between the UK and the USA when it comes to ideas •  the lessons he took away from his Tony Robbins experience •  whether or not copy and advertising can change a person’s beliefs •  the no-secret, “secrets” Glenn has used to grow his skill set •  what his business looks like and how he spends his time •  the catalyst for writing his book and the process he followed •  wh

Email copywriter Sarah Henson is our guest for the 163rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We first met Sarah a couple of years ago (at a copywriter conference) and have seen her make big changes in her business in the past year as a member of The Copywriter Think Tank. We asked Sarah about her successes, her struggles and how she's pushed herself to accomplish more—even as she's faced some big challenges in her life and business. We talked about: •  Sarah's career path from actress to coach to email tech to copywriter •  her experience as an actress and how it helps her as a writer •  the “method actor” approach to understanding customers •  owning the title of copywriter and how she made the switch •  how she chose her niche (or how it chose her) •  some of the hurdles Sarah’s overcome on her way to the next level •  the big goals she’s set and what she wants to accomplish next •  what keeps her going especially when she struggles to make things work •  the mindset shi

Leadership coach, Tanya Geisler, is our guest for the 162nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. It's been more than 2 years since we spoke to Tanya last (all about the Imposter Complex) and we thought it was time to check back in and see what other issues she could help us deal with. And we're glad we did. We asked Tanya about: •  what’s changed since we talked to her 2 years ago •  the behaviors that hold us back from accomplishing our mission •  the difference between anxiety, criticism and imposter complex—and why it matters •  how our deeply held values sometimes hold us back (and real world examples of how that works) •  the unshakeable confidence framework •  how to take ownership of what is holding us back so we can make progress •  overcoming the lies of the imposter complex (it’s not a linear process) •  how to find our own brand(s) of joy •  Tanya workshopped this a bit for Rob a bit while we talked •  what happens when we have the wrong perception of our brand

Speaking coach and consultant, Lanie Presswood, is our guest for the 161st episode of The Copywriter Club podcast. Lanie coached both of us (Kira and Rob) as we scripted and delivered our presentations at our copywriting event, The Copywriter Club In Real Life. We asked Lanie to join us to talk about public speaking, what to do (and not do) on stage and this long list of other topics we covered: •  her journey to becoming a public speaker and speaking consultant •  some of Lanie's early successes •  the time Rob ruined Hillary Weiss’ presentation at TCCIRL •  how to deal with stage fright when getting up to speak •  the best ways to prepare a presentation that an audience wants to see •  how to “lay out” a presentation to get attention and persuade •  the 5 parts of a speech: definitions, scope, explanation, description, illustration •  the biggest mistake presenters make when giving a speech •  what a speaker can expect from the audience •  physicality—what to do with your h

Brand expert and one-woman SNL skit, Rachael Kay Albers is our guest for the 160th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Fitting all the characters Rachael plays on her YouTube channel into the TCC studio wasn't easy, but we managed. In addition to meeting several of the characters from her show (hey, Rachael's mom and Brad!), we also talked about: •  how she went from law school to business comedian and content writer •  how Rachael found her first clients (it has to do with cam shafts and pepper spray) •  going from small clients to internet sensation (wigs played a part) •  what she did to grow her authority and get attention •  how her internet show has helped her grow her business •  the time required to produce a high-quality video show •  the simplicity of her earlier shows and how she evolved as she got better •  the different characters who show up on Rachael’s show •  the truth about how comfortable Rachael is on every show •  how to use comparison, exaggeration a

Copywriter Matt Hall joins us in the studio for the 159th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Matt is a member of The Copywriter Think Tank and has a ton of experience as a copywriter and agency owner. He's worked in-house, as an agency employee, and has started his own agency—twice. Here's what we talked about: •  the high school experience that made him want to know everything •  how he decides what he needs to learn next—without the stress of keeping up •  getting permission to be different and not live up to other’s expectations •  the system he uses to stay up-to-date on his favorite topics •  why he made the shift from eternal student to content writer and strategist •  working with a variety of clients •  why he likes to do a lot of different kinds of work •  the different roles a copywriter can choose (and why to do each one) •  his biggest struggle as a business owner •  his $30K month and the work he had to deliver •  the challenge and benefit of working with a

Samar Owais, content expert and email copywriter is our guest for the 158th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. This one has been a long time coming... this is our fourth attempt to make this interview happen and it is worth the wait. Kira and Rob ask Samar about a lot of stuff from email to being the only person at TCCIRL with a hijab. Here's the list of what we asked: •  how Samar built her content business and charged $1000 per blog post •  what content writers should be doing to build their business •  why she “transitioned” from content to conversion-oriented email copy •  what she does to find clients for her business right now •  what email sequences should use in their business •  the 4 phases of her process and what she accomplishes in each phase •  the things she struggles within her business •  how she storyboards emails to make sure the sequence does what it should •  how she tracks her success—and gets access to all of her client’s numbers •  why she offers t

Copywriter and expert cold emailer, Laura Lopuch, is our guest for the 157th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. In this interview, Kira, Rob and Laura covered a lot of ground when it comes to what to say when you're cold pitching new prospects. Here's a pretty good list of what we covered: •  the path Laura took from paralegal to copywriter •  what made her decide it was time for a job change •  how she attracted her first clients when she went out on her own •  how to cold pitch effectively •  the difference between personalization and relevance and why it matters •  the thing that no one talks about when it comes to cold emails •  what Laura does BEFORE she starts to write a cold pitch •  why you might need to indulge your inner stalker when you cold pitch •  how to tell if a potential client is ready to invest in what you can offer •  the best way to phrase the call to action so you get results •  the subject lines that work well—Laura’s “backslash secret” •  the wa

Sometimes we like to try a little something different with the podcast and today's interview is a bit different than our standard. Preacher, coach and copywriter Les Hughes is our guest for the 156th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We talked to Les about ..... •  how awesome, giving and kind Kira is •  the path from preacher to business coach •  what he did to build his platform as he pivoted his “business” •  having the right mindset before you make a shift •  trusting the process (and mentors and a higher power) •  what he would have done differently—and faster—if he did it again •  the tactics that helped him move forward quickly •  what he does today and the success he has found •  what copywriters can do to build their own authority to serve their own clients •  why you need to create a success path for your clients •  how to get your clients to help you serve them more effectively •  the importance of humility •  how he helps his own clients thing more strate

Marketing OG, Nigel Stevens, is our guest for the 155th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Nigel is in the middle of a move from Asia to Spain and we caught him as he was packing his bags to talk about the business he's built, his experience in content marketing and SEO, and maybe most interesting... how to raise your prices and up level the clients you work with. Here's what we covered... •  how he turned an English degree into a position as the marketing OG •  why he left a cushy job in San Francisco to create his best job •  what it takes to build an agency from the ground up •  the early days… how he started finding clients and growing his leverage •  how he grew his confidence charging more money •  value based pricing and getting better referrals •  his discovery and proposal process and what he wants to learn •  how to build your portfolio of clients (most copywriters won’t do this) •  what’s working (and not working) right now in content marketing •  how he figur

Copywriter and expert researcher, Hannah Shamji, joins us in the ultra-plush Copywriter Club studio for our 154th episode. Hannah has been making a name for her self doing research for Copyhackers Agency and we wanted to learn more about how she does it. We asked Hannah about: •  how she went from boring public policy to copywriter and research specialist •  The catalyst  for making her career change •  how her previous experience helped her make the jump more quickly •  the first steps she took as a new copywriter (and started looking for clients) •  what it feels like to find clients when you don’t know everything yet •  Hannah’s research process… goals, questions, hypothesis •  how to define the goals for research so you know what’s most important •  the kinds of data she looks for as she does her research •  the one thing she always does when asking questions •  two things you can do immediately that will help you do research better •  the mistakes most copywriters make

Conversion content writer, Doug Paton, is the guest for the 153rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We've known Doug since the beginning days of The Copywriter Club, so it's about time we had him on the show to talk about his approach to content writing. We asked Doug all about: •  his favorite place to fly fish (in British Columbia) •  how “not wanting to talk to people” led to his career choices •  why he chose content as his focus as a copywriter •  his stint writing books for kids—and how he landed it •  how he applies his experience writing for kids to his work today •  his process for writing content and how he grabs attention •  how he pitches new clients on content projects •  what he done to build his network and the result on his work load •  what Doug would do if he had to start all over •  his definition of “conversion content” and how its different from other content •  what he’s done to land amazing clients like National Geographic •  what he still strug

Continuing what’s been a bit of a theme on the show lately, we invited copywriter Mai-kee Tsang to talk about how to pitch podcasts for the 152nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Mai-kee recently set a goal to pitch 101 podcasts in 30 days, and she joined Kira and Rob to talk about how she did it, what she learned, and the impact the project had on her business. During our discussion, we asked her: •  how Mai-kee finally listened to her heart and became a copywriter •  how she applies ideas from psychology and coaching to her copy •  overcoming fears and how she overcame her fear of acceptance •  developing a habit of trying things regardless of the expected result •  the importance of sales—and why copywriters can’t afford not to sell •  what she did to find her first clients •  how she announced her copywriting business to the world •  why hiding until you’re ready is the wrong approach to launching •  why she took on a “101 podcast pitches” project •  the biggest le

Marketing strategist and event planner, Patsy Kenney, is our guest for the 151st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Patsy is wrapping up a couple of transitions in her business, including combining her event planning business into an agency with two of her best friends. We asked Patsy about all the changes in her life and... •  how Patsy became a brand and event specialist •  all the things someone needs to know to be an event planner •  how to think about the purpose of your event to magnify your ripple effect •  Patsy’s 4P process for event planning •  the power of being intentional about everything at an event •  how to foster more connection at an event (what we try to do at TCCIRL) •  the part that branding and marketing play in your event •  when copywriters should consider holding their own events •  why retreats and personal gatherings are such a great opportunity •  the mistakes she’s seen others make with their events •  why she decided to fold her business in

For the 150th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, we asked public relations and podcast expert, Brigitte Lyons, to talk about the best ways to build authority. Brigitte has presented to our Think Tank and The Underground, but we felt like what she has to share is too good to keep secret. In this interview, we asked her about: •  her early experiences as a PR specialist •  how she shifted her business from PR to specializing in Podcasts •  why podcasting is a powerful medium for building authority (and finding clients) •  how to get started pitching podcasts—what to think about before you pitch •  her advice to beginners and those who have “nothing” to say •  the elements of your podcast pitch—what you need to include •  what not to do when you pitch (the bad pitches she’s seen) •  what to do after the podcast goes live to maximize the impact •  how to make the interview successful—how to prep •  why you need a clear call to action to direct people to your website If yo

This episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, is all about The Copywriter Accelerator—the 16-week program designed to help "newish" copywriters build the foundations of a healthy business. Kira and Rob talk about what it includes and who it's for in this short, informational episode. The Copywriter Accelerator opens up for new members on August 27 and launches for good the first week of September.   The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: The Copywriter Accelerator Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Underground Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity   Full Transcript: Since this is just a short discussion of The Copywriter Accelerator, there is no transcript for this episode.  

Copywriter Lindsay Hotmire is our guest for the 149th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We’ve gotten to know Lindsay over the past six months as she’s made some big changes to her business—including dialing in her niche and reaching out to a new kind of client. She told us all about the process she has followed as she’s made these changes (funny enough it’s the same process she walks her clients through). We asked Lindsay a bunch of stuff including: •  how Lindsay went from high school English teacher to anti-hog activist to copywriter •  how she found her first few clients so she could quit her full-time gig •  the resources she used to gain traction and reach six figures •  the “unbranding” transition she’s been going through over the last few months •  why she applied her three-part client framework to her own business •  her interest in phenomenology and how that affects her work •  how developing a framework has changed the way so works with clients •  the 5 steps of

Author, copywriter and member retention specialist, Robert Skrob, is our guest n the 148th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We recently invited Robert to present his unique business model to the members of The Copywriter Think Tank and wanted to share his unique approach to marketing his business with everyone who listens to the podcast. We asked Robert about: •  how he went from working as a book keeper to writing copy for subscription businesses and the advantages his accounting background give him •  how copywriters make our business more complex than it needs to be •  why your marketing should be all about the problem you solve •  Robert’s advice to copywriters choosing a niche •  how he promotes his business today •  the unique approach he used to attract his first big clients (this is worth stealing) •  how he uses his book to attract and qualify clients today •  the kinds of clients copywriters should be trying to attract (sail fish, not brim) •  how Robert pitch

Copywriter Adam Bensman is our guest for the 147th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We've gotten to know Adam over the past few months and are very impressed with the business he's built. While so many copywriters struggle to find decent paying clients, Adam has built a great business working with a few, high-paying clients—and still has plenty of time at the end of the day for recreation and fun. We asked Adam about: •  how he went from door to door sales to copywriter (with a few stops in between) •  how he compensates for the “missing advantages” of face to face sales when you’re writing email (or sales pages) •  why you need to couple empathy with pain when you “agitate the pain” •  how to join the conversation in your prospect’s head •  the template he uses when he sits down to write for clients •  establishing boundaries and how it can change your business •  how Adam defines his niche (it’s not the regular way) •  the connection secret he used to find clients that

A-list Copywriter and best-selling author, Richard Armstrong, is our guest for the 146th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Richard has been writing winning direct response copy for more than 30 years. And he just released his latest book, The Don Con. Kira and Rob invited Richard into the studio to talk about the book and a whole lot more. Stuff like... •  how Richard went from office boy to agency creative director •  the lessons he learned early on working on “junk” mail •  what’s changed in the world of direct response in 30 years—and what hasn’t •  his award-winning letter for Sea Turtle Rescue •  the go-to books he refers to again and again •  his favorite clients and the work he’s most proud of •  why he took long 3 martini lunches in his “Mad Men” days •  the one good copywriting habit he has •  the #1 thing that makes copywriters good at what they do •  what Richard learned while writing about con men •  the important difference between copywriters and confiden

Copywriter Jay Pitkanen is our guest for the 145th  episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Jay has an interesting background, having worked as a taxi driver and relationship coach which has prepared him well for the work he does as a copywriter. Kira and Rob asked Jay about: •  how he went from poker player to blogger to copywriter to coach •  what his business looks like today and what he writes •  why we need to be “cool with being vulnerable” •  what the typical conversation with his coaching clients looks like •  what it takes to shift someone’s mindset and why it works •  improving the offer to create a better connection with the audience •  the value of personality in attracting the right clients •  why trusting yourself leads to more opportunity—don’t wait for permission •  the power of controversy and the effect on his business •  the mistakes copywriters make that hold them back We also asked Jay about the lessons he learned as a taxi driver—his #1 takeaway from

Copywriter Jeff Kimes is our guest for the 144th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Jeff is a former scientist and musician (or rather, he's currently a musician making his living writing copy for clients). We asked Jeff about his path into copywriting and a bunch of other topics including... •  Jeff’s journey from scientist to copywriter •  the “copywriting” lessons he learned as a musician •  how he creates connection with his readers •  the importance of setting the stage to create a better experience •  what he’s doing today as a copywriter (and where he is living) •  the challenges of writing for a single client and learning their voice •  the benefits of working with a single client •  how we can optimize for learning throughout our careers •  what Jeff is doing to build his authority today Jeff also shared a few thoughts about the ethics of copywriting and why thinking about how your copy serves your customers matters. Click the play button below, find it on you

Copywriter Lauren Hazel is our guest for the 143rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Lauren is a hustler who has done a lot in her years as a copywriter. She thinks and writes about brand stories, marketing and email. Once we got her in the studio, we asked about... •  how Lauren accidentally became a copywriter •  how she stumbled onto copywriting when she tried to improve a flyer •  the programs she used to learn her skill set •  what she learned about pricing from her first freelance project •  her cold call pitch that failed and what she learned from the failure •  what she did to grow beyond her first couple of clients •  how changing her title brought her more copywriting and marketing work •  how she splits her time between her marketing agency, training and writing •  what she does in her workshops and how much she charges •  how she packages her strategy work •  the things she has done that have made the biggest difference in her business •  the kinds of clie

What’s the big deal about style in copy anyway? We invited Style Consultant and copywriter Tamara Glick to join us for the 142nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast to get to the bottom of that question. We covered a lot of ground in this one, but unfortunately we forgot to ask Tamara about joining a biker gang—even though we teased it in the intro. However, we think this episode makes up for that mistake because it’s our first interview to include the word, “huge-mungous.” Here's what we covered with Tamara: •  how she went from working as a fashion consultant to writing copy •  what it means to be a style consultant •  the importance of a personal brand and showing that to the world •  what she learned working closely with other creative in an ad agency •  what it took to transition full time to copywriting •  what she did once she decided to quit a full time job and make a living writing copy •  what she did to line up projects and find clients •  the changes she made whe

Writing quizzes is pretty hot right now. So we asked entrepreneur and Quiz expert, Josh Haynam to join us to share everything he knows about quizzes for the 141st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. In this episode Kira and Rob asked all their questions about what copywriters need to know before creating great quizzes. Here’s what we covered: •  the story of how Josh and his partner built a business on quizzes •  some of the struggles he faced in starting his own company •  the moment Josh and others knew things were going to work •  why quizzes are such powerful tools for engaging your audience •  how quizzes can change the person who is taking it •  what the best quizzes have in common and why they work •  examples of people and companies that are doing quizzes right •  best practices for following up your quiz to engage your audience •  the tools Interact has created to help writers create a quiz •  the mistakes people make when creating quizzes •  what his ridiculous

Thinking about joining a membership community for copywriters? This episode may help you make the decision to jump. For the 140th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk about The Copywriter Underground—what it includes and what you can expect when you join. And so it just isn’t us talking about a thing we made, we asked six members to join us and share their experience. The result is an episode that is a bit longer than what we usually share, but it was interesting to hear some of the things Underground members shared about their experience. Here’s what we covered: •  what has surprised us the most since launching The Underground •  what The Copywriter Underground includes (there’s a lot) •  how The Underground is going to change this July 1st—important if you’ve been thinking of trying it out •  how The Underground has helped members like Amy Jones, Derek Hambrick, Mladden Stojanović, Renae Rockwell, Emily Zoscak, and Natalie Smithson Like we said, this one i

Thinking about writing a book? Author and book coach Jennie Nash is our guest for the 139th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Although we’ve talked about writing a book on the podcast before, Rob and Kira wanted to go even deeper on the topic, as well as learn what it means to be a book coach. We learned a lot from the discussion. Here’s what we covered: •  how she became a book coach and landed book deals for her first 3 clients •  the embarrassingly easy process of writing her own first book •  where creativity and book ideas come from •  when someone should consider working with a book coach •  where writers go wrong in the book writing process •  the three critical motivations that drive people to write books •  the she turned book coaching into a thriving business •  whether copywriters should have a book to support their businesses •  the place ego plays in writing a book •  how she prices her coaching packages and what they include •  the importance of structure

Do you need better packages to offer your clients? Prerna and Mayank Malik join us for the 138th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast to share what they know about packages. This is something a lot of copywriters struggle with, so Kira and Rob asked Prerna and Mayank about the best ways to think about and structure packages. Here’s what we covered: •  what has changed in their business over the past two years •  their failure to reach a lofty revenue goal (and why it was still a success) •  the key team players they lean on for support •  how they create and refine the packages they offer their clients •  the IMAGE framework they use when they come up with a new product •  an example of how the use the framework to create packages •  why they’re so passionate about packages (and passion is definitely the right word) •  the mistakes copywriters make when creating a package •  why knowing your audience is the key to creating a good package •  how the packages fit together in

Copywriter and entrepreneur, Austin Mullins, is our guest for the 137th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We’ve known Austin for quite a while now and the more we heard him talk about his sales process, the more we knew we needed to have him share his process with the club. We covered a lot of ground—especially about sales processes—in this one, here’s a good list of most of what we talked about: •  how Austin became a copywriter in high school •  why he thinks it was a mistake (for him) to attend college •  what he did to find good clients beyond Upwork •  the #1 thing he did to grow his business—it has to do with sales •  why he chose the niche he is in and how it changed his business •  how he split his time between three “jobs” at the same time •  his “ideal” client acquisition process and selling on the phone •  what to do to encourage referrals or testimonials •  the mistakes copywriters make on sales calls (and how to fix them) •  what it means to be a growth str

Nikita Morell is our guest for the 136th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We’ve known Nikita for a while now and given the success she’s had, it's a shame we haven’t had her on the podcast before now. Nikita has found a lot of success by niching her business and delivering exactly what her ideal clients need. We talked to her about: •  how she went from selling bread to selling ads to writing copy •  her accidental sales pitch that saved her sales job •  how a job in marketing taught her skills that she uses as a copywriter •  why she chose her niche—working only with architects and the impact on her biz •  how she changed her business to accommodate having a baby •  what she does to find clients—she’s a “prospecting nerd” •  what she did to raise her rates adding thousands of dollars to every project •  how she thinks about her brand and why she takes her brand seriously •  the marketing pieces she is using in her prospecting process •  how she makes her cold emails f

Copywriter Andrey Adison is our guest for the 135th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We recorded this one on Valentine’s Day and are just now getting it in your podcast feed—hopefully it is worth the wait. We asked Dre about his background, what he helps his clients do today, and what he thinks writers will be doing in the future. Here’s what we covered: •  how he went from affiliate marketer to copywriter •  what he learned from affiliate marketing that he applies to his work today •  why he feels like he has a duty to get serious about mindset •  how Dre helps his clients find the core truth they want to share •  his framework for helping his clients build their message and audience •  how he finds his clients and what he charges for his services •  what he’s done to take his business to the next level •  why specialization is important and how it has helped Dre in his business •  what’s not working in his business today •  where he thinks copywriting is headed in th

Grumpy Grammarian, Autumn Tompkins, is our guest for the 134th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Autumn has been a member of the club almost from the beginning. And she’s shared her editing and proofreading advice with anyone who asked. Now we took the chance to ask a few questions about her business. Here’s most of what we talked about: •  how she went from ink slinger to grumpy grammarian •  her business rules that keep her from being miserable •  the difference between copyediting (art) and copywriting (science) •  the impact of spending 7 months in the hospital and how she dealt with it •  how she uses music to inspire what she does—and her copywriting mix tape •  the resources—her personal master class—she’s used to learn copywriting •  living with muscular dystrophy and what she’s learned from it •  the fine line between grumpy and bitchy and the need for lightheartedness •  her editing process and tips for doing your own copy editing •  the 5 mistakes she sees co

Copywriter Doug Pew is our guest for the 133rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Kira and Rob talked to Doug about his transition from composer of melodies to composer of sales email sequences and a whole lot more. Although he’s only been at his copywriting business for about a year, he’s found traction by connecting with the right mentors and bringing his past experience into his approach towards marketing. We talked to Doug about: •  how he went from university professor to copywriter •  what Kira needs to do to become a music professor—it’s not easy •  the impact of losing the only job he ever wanted and the mindset adjustments he’s made •  the importance of mentors when you take on copywriting as a career •  how what he learned as a composer that apply to copywriting •  his MAESTRO framework for copywriting •  the importance of stories and what it takes to find them •  the challenges of getting started as a new copywriter •  why you should aspire to be in a category

Former copywriter and Ad Contrarian, Bob Hoffman, is our guest for the 132nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. If you know anything about Bob and his special brand of commentary, you already know that you’re in for a treat. He’s been an outspoken critic of what’s wrong in the advertising world and he had a lot to say about privacy, ageism, and social media. Here’s what we talked about: •  Bob’s path from bad school teacher to contrarian copywriter •  the most important personal quality if you want to be a copywriter •  how to write in a way that attracts interest from your audience •  why he started his own ad agency—more than once! •  the dark side of running an agency and the difference when working alone •  the things about advertising that drive Bob crazy •  why privacy should be your #1 concern as a marketer and consumer •  what it will take to fix the privacy problem •  what ad agencies are doing well right now (spoiler: it’s not much) •  Bob’s complex love-hate r

Direct response designer, Lori Haller, talks all about design and how copywriters can work more effectively with designers in the 131st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Lori was also one of the speakers at our recent copywriting event in Brooklyn, TCCIRL (videos available soon). Kira and Rob asked Lori about her processes, how she built her design agency, and all of the following: •  how she got started as a designer •  where her first jobs came from—and how she chose direct response as her niche •  how branding design differs from direct response •  her 3-step read-through process before she designs anything •  how copywriters can improve their working relationships with designers •  what separates the best copywriters from the rest •  how she landed the big name clients she works with •  how copywriters can learn basic design principles •  how she makes sure she has the ideas an attitude she needs to do her best work •  her advice to anyone growing a team •  where s

We’ve flipped the microphones again and invited copywriter Kirsty Fanton back into the studio to interview us for the 130th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. This is the episode where we answer important questions like... What’s a furfie? What’s a ripsnorter? And has Rob ever cried in a movie? And what disgusting work habits does Kira have? Plus we talk about what the Copywriter Think Tank is like—it’s only open for new members once a year and we’re taking applications right now. Here are a few of the topics we covered: •  our favorite moments from TCCIRL and why this year was even better than last •  the speakers who stood out—the people you definitely want to watch when the videos are ready •  a short description of the “lost” panel discussion •  the new round of The Copywriter Think Tank •  the importance of balancing financial success with a personal life •  Kira’s favorite post from her blog about being tall in New York •  Rob reveals that he has cried in a movie and

Copywriter Pete Michaels of Rock and Roll Copy fame is back for a second guest appearance—exactly 100 episodes after his first visit to our studio. A lot has changed in Pete’s business since we last talked, so we asked him about: •  what’s happened since we last talked •  why he moved from London to Berlin •  Pete’s questioning process for making the decision to move •  how moving away from your comfort zone leads to progress •  the role expectations play in what we do (and do well) •  how working with a mentor shines a light on his processes •  how Pete pulls his personality into his work and what that looks like •  the importance of professionalism—why it matters •  why (and how) he’s having more fun these days •  the “real” role a copywriter should play in their clients’ businesses •  his “selling unique” process and what it involves •  the spiritual journey that Pete has been on for the past 2 years • Pete’s take on the future of copywriting Worth a listen? Then cli

Copywriter Keli Chevalier was the final speaker at TCCIRL19 and she brought down the house with her chant about booty call brands (get the videos to see what we’re talking about). Now she’s our guest for the 128th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We had hoped to get this out last week before the event, so you could have a taste of what she was going to speak about, but it works as a follow up too. Here’s what we covered: •  how she unknowingly started writing copy while selling weapons for the Army •  what she did as an Army Major (she was a pretty big deal) •  how she developed her writing process—the BOMB method—while under fire in Iraq •  the “Sitcom Principles” that apply to sales pages and kick starter campaigns •  why she likes to work with frameworks and the impact on her business •  her thoughts on leadership and how it applies to copywriting •  what she did to attract her first clients and get traction •  what else she knows beyond copywriting •  how to rock a

Direct response copywriter Pauline Longdon shares her thoughts about showing up in a bigger way in the 127th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. What does she mean by that? It’s not enough any more to just show up. You need to be strategic about how, where, when and with whom you show up. And that’s just one of the many things we discussed with Pauline, Here’s a short list of some of the other topics we covered... •  how she went from army nurse to up-and-coming copywriter •  the impact that depression had on her—and how she dealt with it •  how her experience as a nurse helped her develop the copywriter’s secret weapon •  why she writes “emotional” direct response copy •  why we should forget copy tricks and what to do instead to write more emotionally •  what she did to accelerate her copywriting business •  the worst thing a prospect can say to you (and why it doesn’t matter) •  how she makes time for her own business •  what she’s learned from her time in the world’s m

Copywriter Zafira Rajan is our guest for this un-numbered episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Zafira’s business has really taken off over the past year as she’s focused in on a niche and gotten herself in front of the right clients. We talked about that as well as how she has used events to connect with people in person. Here’s what we covered: •  her journey from Nairobi to Vancouver and journalist to copywriter •  the skills she learned as a journalist that make her a better copywriter •  the surprising interview question that often leads to a new idea •  why she doesn’t have a standard list of questions for interviews •  the little things she did to start her business the right way •  the systems she uses to make projects go more smoothly •  the changes she made to her business in the last year—and the impact it’s had •  how niching has *surprise*helped her business grow •  the packages she has created and what they include •  how she uses events to connect with client

Okay, this one is more than a little different. We talked with bio-energetics therapist and self mastery coach, Ron Baker for the 126th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Let’s just say this upfront, this interview is way outside our experience as copywriters. But as human beings, maybe there’s something here that we can all learn from. Here’s what we covered with Ron: •  how he become a “bio-energetics therapist” and self mastery coach •  how to be present in the moment and get in touch with your “inner self” •  the place that breath plays in inspiration, intuition and passion •  an exercise or two to get in touch with your inner self •  how breath work and sound has changed Ron’s client’s life •  Ron’s experiences visiting sacred sites around the world •  what is possible for deeper personal potential and consciousness •  the one thing everyone should do when it comes to woo •  how woo applies to online marketing Want to hear it all? Click the play button below or do

Conversion copywriter, Lisa Pierson, joins us for the 125th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We’ve known Lisa for a couple of years and have witnessed as she’s built a growing freelance business in a short time—creating demand for her copywriting and her presence on stage to talk about increasing conversions. This was a great conversation that covered: •  how Lisa went from journalism and PR to copywriter •  why she joined a mastermind when she wasn’t sure what a mastermind was •  how she landed her first clients •  how she managed to start a business in the middle of massive life changes •  why putting your self matters (and how it helps) •  when things started to “click” and how Lisa’s business has changed •  how joining Match.com and online dating led to her first speaking gig •  the impact that speaking has had on her business •  what else Lisa’s done to build her authority as a copywriter •  what it takes to be more competitive as a copywriter today •  what she’s

Launch manager, Shannon McCaffery, is our guest for the 124th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We’ve known Shannon for a little over a year and after talking with her about TCCIRL and several other launches she’s helped manage, we thought she’d be a great guest for the show. Here’s a sample of what we talked about: •  how she went from a corporate job to independent business owner •  the biggest lessons she learned from working with Dan Kennedy •  why she doesn’t ever take phone calls on the weekend •  how she earned the nickname, “the product launch chick” •  the three different ways Shannon helps her clients — an idea you can steal •  how she conducts her initial consulting call so she closes more business •  the 5 questions she asks of every potential clients •  what she does during her $8K strategic planning days •  the 3 Ms—message, market, media—and why you need to get all three right •  knowing which events are the right ones to attend •  why you should alway

For the 123rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob change things up a little bit and go “guest-less”. After a short discussion about what’s going on in our own copywriting businesses, we talk about we’re working on and what we’re most excited about—with special attention paid to our in-person event coming up next month. Here’s what we covered in our discussion: •  the pain of juggling two businesses •  getting back into things after taking a step back from client work •  what we might be testing on LinkedIn this year •  taking a Quantum Leap •  the genesis of The Copywriter Club In Real Life •  when it doesn’t make sense to make a Quantum Leap •  the people we’re seeing make Quantum Leaps right now •  why we’re “all in” on The Copywriter Club •  a few tips for making your own Quantum Leap • why you have to join us at TCCIRL this year To listen to this entire episode, click the play button below. You can also add it to your favorite podcast app. And if you’r

Copywriter and book strategist, Bryna Haynes is our guest for the 122nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Bryna helps “change makers” make their change with books that start movements. And she would know. She’s the author of The Art of Inspiration, a best-selling book about writing inspirational books. Here’s a look at we talk about in this interview: •  how she went from hair stylist to freelance copywriter •  how she found out that being a good writer isn’t enough to keep a business afloat •  her writing process and how she finished her book •  how to connect to influencers who can help boost your business •  how to know what ideas to pursue (and how guiding values help) •  what you need before you make a pivot •  all the different kinds of copy she worked on and how finding clarity helped her find a new niche •  what pivoting has looked like in her business and where she’s headed •  how we make quantum leaps in our businesses (and what that really means) •  using you

Copywriter and entrepreneur Nikki Groom joins Rob and Kira for the 121st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Nikki is a high achiever who isn’t afraid of trying new things (like moving to America to start a business) so we asked her about her life as a copywriter and the new things she’s doing in her business. Here’s a look at what we covered in this fantastic interview: •  how she became an advisor, coach and marketing specialist •  why she moved to America to further her career •  what she does to prove her haters wrong •  what it took to get traction when she first started out on her own •  how she “forced” herself to quit by booking so much work she had to •  when she knew she had to double her rates (and how she did it) •  what she did to book herself out for three months at a time •  the mistake she made with her one-day package •  how Nikki has expanded her business beyond copywriting •  when you know you need to say “no” to an opportunity •  what she did to make

Copywriter and Copy Coach, Amy Posner, returns to chat with Kira and Rob for the 120th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. (Yeah, it’s #120 even though the intro says “special un-numbered episode.”) Despite our numbering flub, this episode is loaded with great advice from an expert copywriter with serious coaching chops. We talked with Amy about all of the following and more: •  how her business has changed from big projects to coaching this year •  the differences between copywriting and copy coaching •  the mindset shifts she’s had to make as her business has changed •  what happens in copy clinic and how it makes copy better •  the value of getting a second set of eyes on a project •  the biggest mistakes Amy sees from the copywriters she coaches •  the problem with too many CTAs she reviews •  what’s changing in sales and landing pages from the desktop to mobile •  how to establish authority with a client and conduct the conversation •  what she does to attract client

Expert copywriter Clayton Makepeace is our guest for this special episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. If there were a list of the world’s most successful (and highly paid) copywriters, Clayton would have a place near or at the top. He’s the kind of expert worth listening to if you want to succeed as a copywriter (and especially if you want to write financial copy). Here’s what we covered in our discussion: •  how Clayton went from running a folding machine to his first copy assignment •  what he learned working in the film industry that applies to copywriting •  how he went from employee to starting his own copy agency •  the raw truth about why he became a copywriter •  what he did to improve his skills early on (and the mentors he found) •  how he went from unknown to the copywriter everyone wanted to work with •  what he did to succeed that copywriters can model today •  the storytelling secret he learned from an old coin •  where you get the best criticism for your cop

Copywriter Jonnie Williams joins us for the 119th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Kira met Jonnie at Copy Chief Live and they hit it off. We continued their conversation from the conference on the podcast and asked Jonnie about her work. Here's a taste of what she shared: •  How she survived a bad situation and launched a solo career •  The first gigs she landed and what she did to get her business off the ground •  The crazy stuff that happened at the job she left—really crazy •  How to deal with a toxic work environment •  How her business has evolved recently and the work she does •  When to jump at a new opportunity and how to know if it’s right •  Her approach to retainers and how she makes it work •  How Jonnie stays creative — the non-copy stuff she does •  How a move to tornado alley has created stress and anxiety for her •  Creating a personal network while living in a small town •  What’s working (and what’s not) when it comes to creating funnels To get

Copywriter and brand specialist, Sorcha MacKenzie, is our guest for the 118th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We've admired Sorcha for quite awhile now, and have followed along as she's launched her own brand and website. We asked Sorcha about that process and this stuff too: •  her path from acting to branding to copywriting •  what her business looks like today •  what it’s like to work for big brands like Marvel and Disney •  how research impacts the creative process and brand development •  working with chronic pain so that clients still get what they need •  how Sorcha pads her timelines to give her extra time to get work done •  how she conducts the research for a brand audits and branding work •  the pitfalls of doing group research and focus groups •  how she applies the branding process to her own business •  what she’s done to develop her own brand as a branding expert •  her experience starting her own business •  how she came up with the products she off

Copywriter Hannah Mang is our guest for the 117th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We both love to travel, so we naturally wanted to talk with Hannah about how she makes her business work while traveling to interesting places around the world. But that’s not all, we also asked Hannah about: •  the accidental path she took from lawyer to copywriter •  what she did to connect with her first clients (and how that led to more) •  how she avoids the mistakes that other copywriters are making •  how she pulls the personality out of her clients •  the structure she uses for About pages and why she sometimes ignores it •  why you have to be interesting before you do anything else •  why you might want to think twice about agitating pain with your copy •  making shifts in your business and how mindset contributes •  Hanna’s tips for journaling (Rob really needed this) •  How she makes work “work” while she’s traveling •  Why speaking more than one language can help with copywr

Our guest for the 116th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is Nabeel Azeez. Kira and Rob talked with Nabeel about getting put in time out in the Facebook club, cultivating controversy as part of your branding strategy, being a “troll” and a lot more. Here are the specifics: •  how Nabeel became a copywriter and what he does today •  becoming “Dubai’s most expensive” copywriter •  why he was put on a “time out” from The Copywriter Club •  how copywriters can stop selling themselves short •  niching—should you do it or not? •  the “Troll Framework” and how it works •  why you might consider being more controversial and why you might not •  attraction versus repulsion marketing and which works better •  what you need to do as a newer copywriter (it’s not set up a website) •  the three reasons he’s writing a book •  what he’s struggling with most in his business •  selling on the phone (and why more copywriters should do it) • the biggest opportunities for copywriters toda

Luke Sullivan, author of Hey Whipple, Squeeze This! is our guest for the 115th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Kira and Rob were thrilled when Luke agreed to share his advice on the show—Rob is a proud owner of the first edition of Luke’s book purchased 20 years ago and headed for an expanded 6th edition soon—because he comes from the advertising agency world and has a slightly different perspective on copywriting than most of our other guests. We asked Luke about: •  how he got started in the advertising business •  the elements required to create “magic” at an advertising agency •  why you absolutely must work with people who are better than you •  how to surround yourself with geniuses when you work alone •  the power of curiosity and why copywriters need it •  Luke’s favorite campaign—surprisingly it’s radio •  the moment he knew he had made it •  how loving mentors can have an oversized impact on your success •  how you learn to write a decent headline and other s

Seth Godin is the guest on this special un-numbered episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Of course, Seth needs no introduction. He has inspired millions of entrepreneurs, marketers and freelancers to think bigger about the change they want to make in the world and to create products and services that aren’t mediocre, but rather aim to change the world—even if they fail. Rob and Kira asked Seth about: •  the two kinds of freelancers (and which one you want to be) •  the enemy inside that most freelancers have to work against •  the kind of work you need to do for yourself when you’re not working for clients •  the real meaning of art and why we need to do more of it •  the most important skills to develop as a freelancer •  the role of fear in our lives and how it impacts the work we do •  the importance of “smallest viable audience” •  being uncomfortable and creating tension •  why it’s always your turn •  the right time to ship (and why you’re already waiting too long)

Attorney and contract expert, Christina Scalera is our guest for the 114th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We’re grateful Christina took some time to explain why we (copywriters outside of the EU) might not need to worry too much about stuff like GDPR and what we really should be worried about instead (if you write sales pages, you’ll want to hear what she says). Here’s what we talked about: •  how and why she started the Contract Shop •  the risks of working with generic legal websites or big law firms •  the #1 thing Christina did to grow her business quickly •  the contracts you absolutely need in your business •  what you need to know and what you can safely ignore about GDPR •  what can happen if you don’t have the right contracts in place •  the benefits (besides legal protection) you get from contracts •  the ins and outs of client privacy •  a few things to know about working with affiliates •  legal risks when it comes to sales pages and sharing results • wo

Creative Director and copywriter, Daniel Harmon is one of the brains behind the popular ads for PooPouri, Purple mattresses, Chatbooks and more. In the 113th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with Daniel about The Harmon Bros. approach to creating advertising that’s calibrated to go viral, demonstrate the product, and sell enough to make a lot of money. Here’s what we covered: •  how growing up on a potato farm led to a career in advertising •  using YouTube to sell a tongue brush, air freshener and mattresses •  how a Huffington Post article gave the Harmon Bros. their name •  the creative process that led to working with Golidlocks •  why they hold “writing retreats” as part of the creative process •  how he (and the HB team) knows when something is truly funny •  how they cast talent for their videos and look for the “comedic X-factor” •  the two levels of hell and how to stay out of both (when it comes to casting) •  what ads need to do at the end o

Copywriter Chris Orzechowski is our guest for the 112th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We met Chris through our friend Kim Schwalm after they got in a bit of a fight over the best kind of clients. Needless to say, we're all friends now, but it was touch and go there for a little while : ). Rob and Kira sat down with Chris to talk about: •  Chris’s path from school teacher and wrestling coach to copywriter •  how he “embraced the suck” to make things work as a marketer •  how his teaching and coaching skills make him a better copywriter •  landing his first “real” clients—what worked and what didn’t work •  the moment he knew things were going to work out •  why you need to treat copywriting like a business and outwork everyone •  the #1 thing copywriters need to do in order to truly succeed •  how to find good retainer clients—exactly what to look for •  how to manage the back and forth with a retainer client •  what Chris charges for retainers and how it’s changed <

Erika Lyremark, known as the “business whipstress,” is our guest for the latest episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Like a few of our other guest experts, Erika doesn’t call herself a copywriter, but she has written her own copy (it’s good) in the past and knows a bit about the business struggle copywriters go through. So Kira and Rob asked her about: •  how she became the “business whipstress” •  her red carpet dream and how to find yours •  how to get clarity around “your thing” in your space •  the importance of clearing clutter (real and imaginary) •  the types of clients she works with and the problems she helps them solve •  the three things to focus on when developing products •  Erika’s creation process and how she goes from idea to glamorous products •  why it’s important to get outside of your bubble when creating your brand •  the biggest takeaways from each step of her career path •  how discipline and structure contribute to her success •  why she doesn’t ca

There’s a lot of talk lately about money mindset and “blocks” that keep you from achieving the success you want. In this episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with the Queen of Passive Income, Colleen Arneil, about money mindset and how to discover the mind trash that is holding us back. We talked about: •  her path from psychology to money mindset coach •  why we don’t finish the majority of training programs we start •  why money mindset is important even if you think it’s woo-woo •  a few of the most common “money blocks” and why we get stuck in them •  some of the questions to ask to figure out your money blocks •  how to move past negative feelings from pressing financial needs •  how Colleen became the passive income queen •  how to build passive income into our businesses •  what she would say to people who think passive income is “easy” •  selling the transformation that a client gets •  how to you earn your authority (it helps to have a niche)

Comedy writer Eric Cunningham talks about what it takes to be funny with Kira and Rob for the 109th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. A lot of writers dream of working for comedy shows like Saturday Night Live or one of the late night shows. But there’s a lot of competition and success isn’t guaranteed. What does that have to do with copywriting? It turns out, quite a lot. We talked to Eric about: •  the career path to become a comedy writer and what it takes to succeed •  how to deal with the up and down of project work •  what a day in the life of a comedy writer looks like •  how to stand out in a competitive space •  why you can’t wait to be chosen and what to do instead •  what sets the successful comedy writers apart from those who fail •  what does it take to be funny (and what we can do to be funnier) •  why he says “Yes” to lots of things (including condo board meetings) •  why copywriters should use more humor in their copy •  the one thing he has done to up

Copywriter, coach and former defense attorney, Linda Perry is our guest for the 108th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Linda’s career hasn’t followed the typical marketing to copywriting track. She’s spent time in prisons and courtrooms around the country, honing her skills for empathy and persuasion. Add in serious training as a coach and she’s got plenty of copywriting advice to share. We talked with Linda about: •  how she went from defense attorney to copywriter •  how her legal background makes her a more persuasive copywriter •  her experiment with life coaching and the impact it had on her writing •  the “suitcase” exercise that helps with the next evolutionary leap •  the “one thing” that has helped her uplevel her career •  the run-down on the StoryBrand framework and how it’s 4x-ed her business •  what keeps her focused and on-message •  a deeper look at her on-boarding process •  what her kick-off calls look like and the information she gets there •  how s

Just a short introduction to The Copywriter Underground and an invitation to join our first-ever hot seat call for members of The Copywriter Club. To learn more, go to thecopywriterclub.com/tcu. Click the play button below. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: The Copywriter Underground Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Because this episode is simply an introduction to The Copywriter Underground and the special hot set webinar next Tuesday, there is no transcript for this one.    

Copywriter Joel Klettke shares his thoughts with Kira and Rob about how copywriters like to show off only the best parts of their business and how that affects other writers struggling to make things work. It’s a great discussion, but we covered a lot more than that. Here’s a look at what you'll hear in this 107th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast: •  what he’s doing and how his business (and life) has changed in the past year •  how audits and research have impacted his business •  what Joel does in an audit and how he prices them for his clients •  how he sells the audit and then hands it off to the client or another writer •  why he’s taking on fewer projects and the season of “no” •  the instagram-ification of some copywriter’s businesses—and why it hurts •  why we end up chasing the wrong goals (and maybe what to do instead) •  what to do if you aren’t performing as well as you think you should •  what is “enough” •  a few ideas for building confidence and the imp

Copywriter Kirsty Fanton joins Kira and Rob to talk about psychology in copy in this episode off The Copywriter Club Podcast. Kirsty’s experience includes a degree in psychology and work as a counselor and what she learned in those roles has had a big impact on her work for her clients. She shares how you can use psychology to forge a better connection with your clients. We talked about: •  How a travel blog helped Kirsty discover copywriting and land her first clients •  The things she did to get started the right way •  How her work as a counselor makes her a better business owner •  The importance of reflective practice and her 3-pronged approach that she uses to improve •  How she conducts a debrief call •  The different lenses her psychology background gives her to find the “meaty” parts in her research •  How she uses “naming” to discover what prospects are really feeling •  How she builds rapport quickly with prospects when she’s interviewing •  Narrative therapy and

Copywriter Sarah Grear is back for a second appearance on The Copywriter Club Podcast. Kira and Rob wanted to learn more about how she is shifting to offer more consulting in addition to copywriting, the tools she uses to land clients and how she structures her business so she gets paid even while on vacation. It this episode (#105 for those who are keeping score) we talked all about: •  how she made six figures last year (and took four months off) •  what Sarah’s accomplished since we last talked with her •  what she does to help her clients have massively successful launches •  the “gift” she gives her clients that closes the deal •  what it takes to create a launch map and feel confident about sharing with her clients •  the five phases of a launch plan •  the ins and outs of a successful “launch debrief” and how she sells the next project •  how she continues to get herself on stage (and what she teaches) •  why she publicly celebrates every win today •  the strategies Sa

Copywriter Colin Theriot joins Rob and Kira for the 104th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Colin is well known as the leader of the Cult of Copy (as well as four or five other related Facebook groups). He often jumps into the club to answer questions or comment on something, and we thought it was about time to talk shop with him. In our discussion, we covered: •  how Colin became a copywriter •  why he started The Cult of Copy •  the short cut to getting people to know who you are •  how beginning copywriters can create a copy learning experience •  the most important thing for beginners to learn (this skill is portable) •  his philosophy for running more than one Facebook group •  why he offers a “jobs” group and why you probably shouldn’t use it •  the five Vs of the Viking Velociraptor Formula <-- this is gold •  the “artist vs. cabinet maker” mistake copywriters tend to make •  the scalability secret for earning more by doing less •  why you need to treat your bus

Copywriter, course creator, and coach, Belinda Weaver joins Kira and Rob for the 103rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Belinda's also the co-host of the popular Hot Copy podcast. We talked with Belinda about the variety of ways she's created income streams for her business. Note: links and a full list of what we discussed is coming soon. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Full Transcript: The Copywriter Club Podcast is sponsored by Airstory, the writing platform for professional writers who want to get more done in half the time. Learn more at Airstory.co/club. Rob:   What if you could hang out with seriously talented copywriters and other experts, ask them about their successes and failures, their work processes and their habits, then steal an idea or two to inspire your own w

Community manager Harmony Eichsteadt is the guest for the 102nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We chatted with Harmony about a wide range of topics related to connecting with clients to building communities for both customers and peers. Harmony knows a thing or two about building healthy communities—she’s done it with groups like The Good Life Project and NationBuilder. We asked Harmony about: •  how she became a community manager (with stops as a dating coach and cancer survivor along the way) •  the first steps to take to build a community around ourselves •  who is better for community building: introverts or extroverts •  the biggest misconceptions around building a community •  where you can build a community and how (it’s not just online) •  some of the benefits of building and belonging to a community of copywriters •  how to connect with others within communities you don’t own •  whether there’s a growing hunger for new communities today •  why everyone is alr

We’re kicking off our second century of podcasts by flipping the tables and answering your questions for the 101st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Justin Blackman (of 100-Headline-Project fame) grabs the microphone to ask Kira and Rob all about: •  who Rob and Kira really are •  how Rob and Kira met and decided to start The Copywriter Club together •  where the idea for The Copywriter Accelerator came from •  the story behind the creation of the first Copywriter Club event •  why we shut down our second program and what we learned •  some of the other mistakes we’ve made over the past year or so •  how The Copywriter Club has changed our own businesses •  the progress we’ve made on the goals we shared in episode 50 •  how the podcast (and our guests) have helped us improve our writing and processes •  what we’ve learned going through The Copywriter Accelerator for the third time •  when we plan on taking a break from learning •  what’s coming up for The Copywriter

Former copywriter and current business advisor, Jay Abraham is the guest for the 100th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast with Kira Hug and Rob Marsh. Jay is the perfect guest for this milestone episode because Jay teaches the importance of pre-eminence—and what is more pre-eminent than appearing as the expert on the 100th episode of this podcast? And Jay delivered. Here’s a look at some of what we covered: •  how he went from copywriter to business advisor to thousands of companies •  the expert authors he learned from when he started out •  how he accidentally got into the seminar business •  the business ideas (USP, LTV, Risk Reversal, Allowable Cost) you should know •  how to deliver continuous breakthroughs for our clients •  copy versus concept and which one matters most •  why you shouldn’t offer stuff for free (and what you should do instead) •  the biggest challenge you have to overcome with your audiences •  why achieving pre-eminence is so important (and how y

This is the last episode of the podcast before we hit triple digits—and it’s a good one. Health copywriter Jason Rutkowski joins us for the 99th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast and we covered a lot of ground, from Jason’s secrets for connecting with both mentors and clients to a look inside his copy mastery process (he sent us a screen capture of his file system so you can see what he’s talking about during the podcast). Here’s a look at what we covered: •  how Jason failed his way to copywriting as a career •  finding his first few clients and figured out his niche •  the “one thing” he tried that resulting in connecting with good clients •  the strategy Jason followed to get A-list copywriters to share their stories with him •  the single most important thing you can do at live marketing events •  what it’s like to be “cubbed” by an A-list copywriter •  why you absolutely need to reverse engineer great copy to get better •  the difference between a copywriter and a m

For the 98th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob bring back one of the most popular guests from the first few weeks of 2017—Tarzan Kay. Tarzan’s been a great friend to us (and the club) so we were thrilled to have her back to talk about how her business has changed in the year since we last talked and how having a baby forced her to change how she worked. We talked about: •  how her business has changed since we talked more than a year ago •  why (and how) she has moved to day rates for most of her projects today •  how day rates work and why clients like them •  what day-rate clients can expect as far as deliverables go •  what the day rate process and schedule looks like •  the next step for clients after they book their first day •  the place mindset plays with day rates and asking for more money •  ideas for stepping out of your own thoughts to work on mindset •  how you can identify your mindset around money •  her approach to affiliate launches and wh

Copywriter Michal Eisikowitz joined Kira and Rob for the 97th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast and we go deep into her business. Michal has made some amazing changes to her business in the last year (including creating one of the best copywriter websites we’ve ever seen). You’re going to want to listen to this one. Here’s what we covered: •  how she turned a degree in speech pathology into a career as a copywriter •  the “experiment” that led solidified her career choice •  what she learned from her other jobs that made her a better copywriter •  how what she accomplished in the Accelerator helped her walk away from her previous job •  the evolution of her business, the kinds of work she does and what she charges today •  how long the exploratory phase should last before you choose your niche •  the work she does today and how she plans to evolve her business •  what her process looks like from start to finish •  why she has branded herself as a “perfectionist” •  how

For the 96th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with copywriter Ridge Abraham. Ridge recently left full time employment with The Agora and now works freelance for financial clients and is taking on clients in other fields as well. You’ll want to listen to this one if only to get all of the books Ridge recommends as we talked. In this wide ranging interview we talked about: •  how Ridge went from Los Angeles DJ to financial copywriter •  how his very first mailed promotion pulled $7 million •  how he uses swipe copy without stealing ideas •  his writing process •  the projects he works on today—since he left Agora full time •  how he structures his compensation for the projects he takes •  what he does to connect to potential clients •  how he keeps his skills sharp today •  his thoughts about mentorship and why it is so important •  what he’s learned from his famous dad—Jay Abraham •  the “unbelievable” mistake he sees a lot of other copywriters make

Copywriter Julia Reinisch is in the house for the 95th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Julia chatted with Kira and Rob about a variety of topics from how she came to join The Copywriter Think Tank to her favorite dive spots in Roatán. Long time listeners know that we like to talk with copywriters at all stages in their business, and while Julia is not a beginner, many listeners will relate to the effort Julia is going through to build a thriving freelance business. Here’s what we covered: •  how curiosity and a suggestion from her family led her from social work to copywriting •  where she found her very first client and the kind of work resonated with her •  how her background in social work makes her a better writer •  the kind of work she does as an in-house copywriter at a University •  how she learned to talk to customers and thicken her skin with a job in retail •  the unique steps she took to start her own copywriting business •  why Julia thinks every copywrite

Email expert and sometime copywriter, Val Geisler, is our guest for the 94th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. In this episode, we go deep on the ins and outs of emails—especially on-boarding sequences which can make a huge difference to your client acquisition processes (and the one you create for your clients). We cover: •  how Val went from stage manager to copywriter and email marketing genius •  what she did to learn business skills then start her own business •  how managing stage productions has made her a better writer •  Val’s processes for designing and mapping email sequences •  why she added strategy to the services she provides (in addition to copy) •  Val’s secret for getting clients (that we’ve mentioned on the podcast before) •  the backdoor Val uses to get results from her clients •  the writing and testing tools Val uses as an email copywriter •  how she presents then delivers final copy to her clients •  how she sets up projects and charges for them

Copywriter Erica Strauss joins Kira and Rob for the 93rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Erica is doing something a little different in her business than what most copywriters are doing... working with a direct sales company to add another revenue stream to her personal business. So far it's working, and we wanted to know more. We also talked about: •  how Erica started her copywriting career at age 10 •  what she learned about copywriting from working as a gossip columnist •  why she decided NOT to finish her master’s degree •  how Erica makes retainers work for her andher clients •  what she typically charges for one of her projects •  how she started copy coaching •  the challenges of growing a copywriting business quickly •  what she did to overcome the burnout that comes with so much work •  how her business is shifting to include other income streams •  what to consider if you’re interested in network marketing •  how Erica connects with clients and gets to k

Copywriter and Marketing Consultant, Eric Bakey, steps into the studio with Kira and Rob for the 92nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We met Eric a few months ago and got to talking about his approach to his business. It’s different than a lot of other copywriters’, so we thought it would be interesting to talk about how he works with his clients. In this interview, we cover: •  how Eric went from the army to construction to writing a book to copywriting •  why he doesn’t call himself a copywriter (even though he writes copy) •  Eric’s onboarding process and the “found money” blueprint •  the “15 minutes -> hour -> day -> long term contract” roadmap •  how he connected with Dan Kennedy (and the results for his business) •  what you need to know about packaging your services like Eric •  how he uses sketches in his customer interactions •  what he does when clients buy the “found money” blueprint •  how to set up a retainer model so you don’t get burned •  why Eric t

Persuasion expert and copywriter Bushra Azhar joins Kira and Rob for the 91st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. This is a fun one. We covered a lot of ground with Bushra, beginning with her meteoric rise and success (she worked hard for it) and the principles she teaches in her books and webinars. The stuff we covered includes: •  how Bushra went from corporate consultant to copywriter and landed her first client •  how her business shifted when she launched an online course •  why she worked around the clock—for pennies—for weeks and the massive impact it had on her business •  how she made $7500 by making a single presentation •  why it’s harder to get results from Facebook groups today vs. a few years age •  why you should never PM people with advice on Facebook—and what to do instead •  brand positioning—how to do it and what not to do •  the 8 persuasion triggers and how to use them •  what accountants use for birth control (it’s a joke, people) •  what Bushra’s

Wow, ninety episodes. That was fast, right? For the 90th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk about some of the challenges of running a growing Facebook group and managing competing cultures, expectations, and conversations that cross the line. Some of the topics we covered in this rare guest-less episode include: •  what Rob has been doing with his business for the last two months •  a little bit about Kira’s experiment with a “mini micro agency” •  the program experiment that “failed” •  why we created the Facebook group and why we sometimes let things go farther than some people feel appropriate •  balancing trust and intent with censorship •  the place for scarcity in copywriting •  how scarcity impacts us as copywriters •  what Kira does when she finds herself in a scarcity mindset •  how to create scarcity the right way Plus we talked a bit about what’s coming up next for us and the club. We’ve got some great new (and returning) guests joining u

Frameworks specialist, Mel Abraham is our guest for the 89th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Mel’s got an interesting background that launched him as an expert is building expertise (kind of meta, right?), which means he is the perfect person to talk about client relationships and how to establish your expertise before you work with a client. We talked about: •  how he learned to leverage his experience to build a real business •  how to stop exchanging hours for dollars and sell your true value •  the risks and rewards of project pricing •  what you have to do to get clients past the “yellow light” •  how you can help clients see the value of what you do before they hire you •  what to cover in your first call with a potential client •  how to know if you’re an expert or a thought leader •  the “prolific power of positioning” and how to use it for your business •  all about frameworks and why you need one •  the steps to follow for creating a framework for your bus

Our guest for the 88th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is Facebook Ads Expert Rick Mulready. Kira and Rob sat down with Rick to ask him about his story and how he became the go-to-guy for everything related to Facebook marketing. Here are a few of the things they talked about: •  the mistake he made when he started his business that held him back •  how he structures his days to get more done •  how he’s grown his team to handle the parts of the business he can’t handle •  the programs and products he’s built to sustain his business •  the Insta-story opportunity that’s open for the taking •  how to get started with Facebook (the first step will sound familiar) •  the kinds of ads that are working today •  what you can do with FB ads to increase engagement and make connections •  the images you should be using in your Facebook ads •  how we can use FB ads to market our own (copywriting) businesses and stand out •  what has changed with launches and how Rick is think

Our guest for the 87th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is none other than A-list copywriter Paul Martinez. We covered a lot of ground in this one, including how Paul landed a place as Parris Lampropolous’ copy cub (for seven years) and his process for finding ideas that hook the reader so they’ll see his offers. The resources he shares are excellent. Here’s most of what we cover in this episode: •  how an English degree and a job in real estate helped him find copywriting •  what he did to recover from losing almost everything and how that still impacts how he spends his time today •  what he learned from real estate sales and how that’s made him a better writer •  what he did to find clients as a new copywriter and the #1 thing that reallymade a difference •  how you get yourself in the right room with the right people •  what he learned as a copy cub for one of the world’s best copywriters •  what you can do right now to be a better copywriter (you may not want to do

Copywriter Rick Marion joins Kira Hug and Rob Marsh for the 86th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. This one gets personal as Rick talks about how he overcame his addictions and how that relates to copywriting. We also talked about... •  how he found copywriting and persuasion though a mentor •  what his first few clients were like (where the work came from) •  how he identifies a mentor to connect (and work) with •  how he finds clients today •  what he’s doing to build the channels where clients can find him •  the two reasons he continually invests in masterminds, books, and events •  the biggest take-aways from his membership in The Think Tank •  his struggle with addiction and how he reframed the way he looked at the world •  what he is experimenting with these days •  what copywriters can do to build their authority •  why he put together a copywriter book group •  what Rick is working on in his business today Rick is a current member of The Copywriter Think

Health and Fitness copywriter, Misty Mozejko joins Kira and Rob for the 85th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We asked her all kinds of questions about her fitness and copywriting business—and got a lot of great advice to apply to our own businesses. We even talked about nipple tassels, which is new ground for us (though not for Misty). Here’s what else we talked about: •  how she got started running her own businesses and how that led to copywriting •  how she found a mentor and why she continues to look for them •  what she did to lose 120 pounds (and how long it took) •  the business lessons she learned running her own fitness club •  her diet recommendations for copywriters who need to feed their brains •  the system she has developed in her business to help her succeed •  the moment she realized she was good at copywriting •  what she’s done to improve her own writing (this is a great tip) •  her advice on how to choose clients •  why she emails her list every d

Copywriter, author and copy coach Steve Roller stops by our studio for the 84th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Steve is the founder of The Copywriter Cafe Facebook group—a group that a lot of club members are also in. We asked Steve to share his thoughts about his book, the field of copywriting and a whole lot more. Here’s what this episode covers: •  how a 17-year career in sales (and an online course) led to his second life as a copywriter •  how he connected with his first client (it involved pancakes) •  the advice he gives copywriters who are struggling to gain traction •  the advantage copywriters with a sales background have over other writers •  what it takes to foster engagement in a Facebook community •  the importance of relationships for all (but especially new) copywriters •  the books he recommends to copywriters who are just starting out •  the skills you need to be good at on client calls •  why every copywriter needs to write their own book •  how

In the direct response world everyone knows the name, Gary Halbert. He’s often called the best copywriter who ever lived. And if we could, we’d ask Gary to be on the show, but alas, that’s not possible, so we’ve done the next best thing. Bond Halbert is the guest for episode 83 of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Kira and Rob sat down with Bond to talk about his famous dad and the lessons he’s learned from a lifetime (literally) learning copy. We talked about: •  his path into the world of copywriting (it all starts with his dad) •  the story behind The Boron Letters and why Gary wrote them to Bond •  why Gary Halbert went to prison for a crime he didn’t commit (really) •  the 2-3 most important lessons he learned from Gary Halbert •  how he divides his work into thirds •  the four kinds of readers you’ll attract to your copy •  why copywriters are good at headlines but bad at closes •  what he does to nail the close •  the importance being persuasive in person (not just in copy

Copywriter Eman Zabi joined Kira and Rob for the 82nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast and we had a great conversation. She became a copywriter a little over a year ago, but in that time has accomplished more than many writers with several years of experience. We talked about her experience in The Copywriter Accelerator and Think Tank and what she’s done to grow her business to the point where she’s working with major outdoor consumer brands. Here are a few of the topics we covered: •  how she went from star engineering student to copywriter (with a stop at the UN along the way) •  what the early days of starting her own business •  what she’s learned from the copywriters she’s surrounded herself with •  what she’s done to stand out online (her SEO secrets) •  why she cut the number of projects she will work in half •  how she’s raised her prices and didn’t worry about “paying her dues” •  how she goes after the clients that she wants to work with •  what you have to kn

For the 81st episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with copywriter and marketing specialist, Mike Saul, about copywriting, sales, marketing, and a lot more. Kira first met Mike at a lunch-time gathering of copywriters in New York City and after talking for a little while, realized Mike had a lot of great advice to share with our listeners. In this podcast we talked about: •  how a 13-year-old’s newspaper route led to a career in sales and copywriting •  the book that he used to help a client go from a $500K monthly loss in $1 million in monthly revenue •  how his sales experience informs what he does today •  what he learned from selling burglar alarms—price is not the most important thing •  the relationship between sales and marketing in what copywriters do •  how to write an “air tight” argument for your solution •  how to overcome objections on your sales page •  the checklist he uses when he writes sales pages for his clients •  why sales people in C

In the 80th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob share their take aways from the recent TCC In Real Life event in New York City, what’s going on in their businesses right now (and how they’re dealing with it) and what’s coming up in The Copywriter Club—the next Copywriter Think Tank and the new options we’re offering with The Copywriter Accelerator. We talked about: •  how some of the best parts of a conference aren’t at the conference •  a couple of highlights from the incredible presentations •  who won the scavenger hunt (and how well they did) •  what we’re working on and why we're suddenly feeling overwhelmed •  what mastermind groups have done for us and a few of the reasons you might want to consider one •  the changes we’ve made to The Copywriter Think Tank •  the new, more affordable, option for The Copywriter Accelerator To hear all about it, click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript.   The people and stuff we mentio

Copywriter James Turner is our guest for the 79th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We’ve known James for a few years now, so we’ve been saving up questions to ask him for a while. Here’s just a sample of what we covered... •  how James went from an English teacher in Japan to copywriter in Canada •  the jobs he took on as he started out in his career and what’s changed since •  his thoughts about retainers—the good and the bad •  his book ghostwriting experiment and what that involves •  why undercharging for work doesn’t serve you or your clients well •  how James gets more done with Pomodoros (and other tricks) •  “The power of asking” and how it got James a new business •  how automation can change your copywriting business •  why he started a podcast and the impact on his business •  how he networks (and his advice to copywriters who need to do more of it) James is the kind of copywriter we can all learn something from. Make sure you download this one to your

Inhouse copywriter Jon Lamphier joins Kira and Rob for the 78th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We’ve known Jon for a few years now and really admire his ability to get readers to care about his writing. And he’s a lot of fun to hang out with. We talked with Jon about: •  how socializing at a trivia game led to a job as a copywriter •  what it’s like to work as at an agency and his terrifying first days •  when he first realized that copywriting was what he wanted to do (and that he was good at it) •  the kinds of work he took on as an agency copywriter •  how he developed the ability to throw out funny one-liners •  how he breaks down the creative process to get to the right idea •  what the day-to-day work looks like at an agency •  the dark side of agency life (the knife someone on the first day analogy) •  how he balances freelance and a regular copywriting day job •  how he gets himself into the mindset for coming up with good ideas •  the big career mistake h

For episode 77 of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with copywriter and marketing specialist Christine Laureano about her business, what it’s like to work with different niches that are completely different (makers and engineers), and a whole lot more. Here’s what we covered in our time together: •  how she went from the corporate world to maker to marketer to copywriter •  what she did to deal with a devastating personal tragedy •  the importance of carving focused creative time out of your day •  how she created systems to support her work and produce results •  the difference between working with big clients and small clients •  how she conducts her discovery process to uncover additional work (she gives a specific example) •  the process she went through to land a recent engineering client •  how she deals with working in more than one niche •  what she does to find clients who can pay within her niche •  why she is involved in more than one master mind gro

Back by popular demand, Tepsii is in the house for the 76th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. If you’ve been following along at home you know that she was our guest once before (on our 27th episode), but Kira and Rob wanted to follow up and see how her business has changed in the past year. Here's what we talked about: •  how she got started as a copywriter, business coach, and entrepreneur •  how she makes money in her business today •  why she started working with her husband in her business and what he’s doing •  why she wouldn’t recommend that others follow her path and what she thinks you should do instead •  the systems (and tools) she uses to keep her business running smoothly •  why she uses a checklist to move her clients through all the processes in her business •  what she does with her membership community (and the mistakes she made) •  why you shouldn’t launch “cheap” products just because your clients ask for them •  the impact that depression had on her

We’re sneaking in an episode between 75 and 76 this week, because copywriter Allison Comotto is speaking at the The Copywriter Club In Real Life event this week and we wanted to introduce her before she takes the stage. She’s given us a sneak preview of her presentation and let’s just say we’re really looking forward to it. In this interview, Rob and Kira ask her about: •  how she got hired as an in-house copywriter right out of college •  the rigorous interview process she went through •  what the day-to-day work is like as a new copywriter at Stansberry •  her advice about how to “get the gig” and what not to do •  the importance of having a mentor as you start your copy career •  the difference between the various Agora companies •  the biggest surprise she’s had since starting her job at Stansberry •  how she’s taken on new responsibilities over the past 8 months •  what her copywriting process looks like •  the place that formulas and frameworks play in the Stansberry

Copywriter Brit McGinnis steps out of the club's Facebook group to join Rob and Kira for the 75th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. (Don’t look now but we’re three quarters of the way to 100.) We cover a lot of ground in this wide ranging interview, including: •  how Brit went from journalism to virtual assistant to social media and copywriter •  what her business looks like today (typical clients, typical projects) •  why you might want to work as a virtual assistant •  what you need to know BEFORE you start working with a virtual assistant •  her thoughts on starting and growing a great online community •  how to get the most out of our Facebook group •  the rules of Facebook etiquette that she wishes everyone knew •  what copywriters should do to step up their social media game •  why we should be thinking about Pinterest more than we probably do •  what’s going on with Facebook ads (the ad glut) •  how her business has changed since joining The Copywriter Acceler

Copywriter and founder of The Content Bistro, Prerna Malik joins Kira and Rob for the 74th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. And we cover quite a bit of ground as we talk about... •  how she became a freelance content writer (thanks to a family illness) •  how she has grown her business despite living thousands of miles from her best clients •  why she’s only invests in training that delivers a real ROI •  the activities she spent time on to get her first several clients •  how she went from $21,000 in 2011 to $200,000+ this year •  how she thinks about the packages she offers (and how she prices them) •  how she splits duties with her business partner (and husband) •  what copywriters should be doing differently with social media •  how she schedules her week to get things done (the hacks and systems she uses) •  what she’ll be doing differently in 2018 •  the advice she would offer to a “just-starting-out” copywriter, and •  where she thinks copywriting will go in

Wellness copywriter and online branding strategist Blair Badenhop recently made her way to our studio for episode 73 of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We were excited to talk to Blair because we’ve had a ring-side seat as she’s launched her new podcast and built her soon-to-launch course. In this interview, we asked her: •  how Blair went from ad sales to non-profits to health coaching to copywriting •  whether writing in the health and wellness space is really different from writing for other niches •  how she helps her clients get clear on their positioning and branding with her discovery process •  why Blair takes three hours to get to know her clients BEFORE she starts to work •  what she did to create a steady flow of clients from the very start of her business •  how she got herself to the top of Google for her main key word •  the difference between “getting clients” and “making friends” •  her thoughts about what copywriters should do to stand out online •  the place r

Got legal questions? We do! So we invited attorney and online legal expert Danielle Liss to join us for the 72nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. We’ve had this episode penciled in on our list for a long time—partly because we know so many copywriters have big questions about legal issues (and often don’t have the cash to ask an attorney for help). Hopefully this podcast answers a few of those questions. We talked to Danielle about: •  how she went from working in construction law to helping online entrepreneurs with legal needs •  the legal documents all copywriters need to have in place (her checklist) •  what you need to know about choosing a business entity (in the U.S.) •  the critical reason you want to choose an entity besides sole proprietor •  what you need to know about contracts and why you should ALWAYS use them •  what every contract you sign MUST have •  should you include your contract with your proposal or keep them separate? •  what could happen if you

Copywriter and hypnotist Jesse Gernigin joins The Copywriter Club Podcast to talk with Kira and Rob about his freelance business, creating an online summit, and how knowing how to hypnotize people helps him know how to attract customers and sell more products. In this interview, we talk about: •  how Jesse went from magician to hypnotist to copywriter •  what it takes to bee a hypnotist •  the #1 thing he did that made him a successful hypnotist •  what he sent potential clients when he was cold contacting •  how often he succeeded (and failed) when he was cold emailing and how he increased his chances of success •  how Jesse works with clients to get them what they need (not just what they want) •  what he did on Upwork to succeed •  acting as a strategist in addition to working as a copywriter •  what it takes to assemble an online summit and what has surprised him the most from putting on a summit And while talking about his summit, Jesse let us in on the tools he used

Agora Financial Copy Chief (and copywriter) Joe Schriefer is our guest for the 70th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Kira and Rob ask him all about what it’s like to work for Agora, how he landed his job there, how Agora’s writers are paid and a lot more. Specifically we cover: •  how he “lucked” into a job he didn’t want with Agora •  the best advice anyone ever gave him at Agora (and why he became a copywriter) •  his process for finding ideas for promotions •  how he knows when an idea is “big enough” to go with •  how much time he spends researching versus writing •  why he doesn’t ask his customers for ideas for his copy •  his 7 step-by-step system for creating a brilliant sales letter •  the most important question a copywriter should ask (but they never do) •  how Agora Financial compensates their copywriters (they can make millions) •  the three things he looks for when he hires a writer to work for Agora •  how often Agora’s best copywriters write a succes

Copywriter, marketing strategist, and CMO-for-Hire, Myrna Begnel joins us for our second episode of the week (our 69th overall) to talk about her copywriting business and how she became known as “the client whisperer” among the members of The Copywriter Think Tank. In this episode we cover: •  how Myrna went from selling elevators to agency strategist to writing copy •  what she learned from her career in sales that applies to copywriting •  how you create a relationship with a client so your projects succeed •  how to recreate the “sales conversation” on your sales page •  the questions she asks to understand her client’s customer needs •  what a discovery call with her looks like •  how her processes help her repeat and scale her business •  the “grandma’s house” approach to setting boundaries with clients •  how to get started with processes, then how to improve them •  the lessons she has taken from working with agencies inside and out •  what it’s like to completely s

Copywriter and calligrapher Ashlyn Carter joins Kira and Rob for the In 68th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast and wow, does she deliver. In just a couple of years, she's built a six-figure business that is growing like crazy. In this interview, she shares: •  how she went from agency consultant to PR publicist to freelance writer •  what she learned from working with companies like Delta Airlines and Chick-Fil-A •  the difference between working with corporate brands and personal brands •  her struggle to do everything right, the repercussions, and how it led to the work she does today •  the process she used to break away from the negative behaviors that tied her down •  what happened when she chose a niche and had to fire some of her clients •  how she had to adapt new processes as a business owner (as opposed to being a freelancer) •  when she knew it was time to create a digital product •  the questions she asks to keep her team focused on getting things done •  h

For the 67th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob sit down with copywriter and content specialist, Emma Siemasko to talk about her business, working with clients, and the advice she would give to someone just starting out as a copywriter. During our conversation we covered: •  how a trip to South Korea launched her freelance writing career •  Emma’s and Rob’s favorite poets—yeah, this one is a little different •  what she learned working at a bad content marketing agency •  the things she learned from starting her own business •  what she did in those first few moments as a freelancer •  how she landed her first few clients after going out on her own •  her advice to copywriters who are just starting out •  the mistakes she made in her first year that cost her a lot of time and energy •  the boundaries she has set up to keep her client relationships working well •  how her clients have reacted to the boundaries she set This isn’t the first time we’ve talk

Copy Chief (and copywriter) Henry Bingaman is in the studio for the 66th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. And he showed up with plenty to share—including his formula for writing great sales copy. Kira and Rob took the opportunity to ask Henry about: •  his path from fiction writer and flight attendant to copywriter and copy chief •  not wanting to write for clients and creating his own product (and the lessons he learned) •  how he landed his first client (and learned to write his first proposal) •  the critical copywriting skill he learned as a flight attendant •  what he does to connect with people at conferences •  when you should feel like you’ve “made it” (hint: you’re probably not there yet) •  what he teaches the copywriters he works with (and his role as copy chief) •  how he writes leads that catch attention and shift a customer’s paradigm •  the various copy blocks he includes in his sales pages •  what he learned from breaking down Jedd Canty’s sales pages

In this jam-packed 65th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with author and ghostwriter Laura Hanly about book writing and publishing. We met Laura a few months ago and after grilling her over breakfast, knew she’d be a great addition to the show. In this discussion we cover: •  how she became a book writer and publishing consultant •  what you need to think about before you write your book •  Laura’s thoughts on who exactly needs to have a book—if you are in a commodified service business, the answer is “yes” •  who needs to be on your book writing team and who should be your early readers •  what a realistic timeline for writing a book looks like •  price ranges and what she does to charge $40,000 per book project •  what you need to do to promote your book •  common mistakes writers make when they write their book •  the differences between self publishing and traditional publishing •  how to publish with Amazon Create Space and KDP •  the design o

For the 64th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob bring copywriter Paige Poutiainen into the studio to talk about how she’s grown her business from Upwork to online funnel specialist. It’s a great conversation in which, Paige talks about: •  becoming a copywriter because she doesn’t speak Finnish well •  how she has succeeded working with clients found on Upwork •  why she shifted from content to conversion copy to funnel strategist •  what she’s doing to avoid funnel fatigue for her clients •  why creating a funnel is a bit like dating •  her basic process for creating a funnel for her clients •  what she does to make sure her funnels are set up to succeed from the beginning •  what had made the biggest difference in her business this year •   why she is using video more and more in her business And as we often do, we asked Paige what she thinks other copywriters are missing out on (her answer covers stuff like owning a niche). Plus we asked what she’s le

This one is a bit of a holiday gift for you all... so many good ideas and a fantastic guest! For the 63rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with Margo Aaron, a copywriter and psychological researcher with an impressive range of experience and know-how. During our conversation, Margo shared: •  how she went from academic researcher to copywriter •  the importance of psychology in copywriting (and life) •  why you need to listen to people don’t say in addition to what they do say •  what to ask for to get good feedback •  how copywriters can use the skill of listening and use it to their advantage •  how she built a business that she hated—and stopped taking clients •  Product Founder Fit—what it is and why it’s important •  how to learn the stuff that isn’t written down •  why we are all so scarred of breaking the copywriting rules •  what copywriters do that drive her crazy •  where the money is in marketing (the answer isn’t your list) We also ask

For the 62nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob brought former screenwriter, movie producer and copywriter Jamie Jensen into the studio to talk all about her copy business. She shares the good and the bad and why she decided to shut down her agency just as it was really taking off. We also talked about: •  how her dad unknowingly put her on the path to copywriting as a kid •  why she left Hollywood to make her own movie, then jumped to copywriting •  what she did early on to attract clients to her business (her no-strategy strategy) •  how she developed a unique brand voice (Hollywood helped) •  the systems and processes she used to connect with her customers •  the place honesty and enthusiasm plays in attracting clients to her •  why she decided to grow a micro-agency instead of staying a sole proprietor •  the challenges the come with running an agency—she shares the dark side We also asked Jamie about what she’s doing today, the course she just created

Welcome to episode 61 of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Today Kira Hug and Rob Marsh talk with freelance copywriter Alaura Weaver about how she’s grown her business, often working at night to get things done. During our discussion, we covered: •  how she went from acting to sales to copywriting •  how theater and acting has made her a better copywriter •  what she did early on to get her first clients and her advice to new copywriters •  how she saw herself as a business owner, not a freelancer •  her thoughts about seeing customers as humans, not consumers and living your message •  how copywriters can live their own message and values •  how to develop buyer personas and why you should use them •  how she gets to know the customers she is profiling •  the trap of writing for everybody and reaching nobody •  how she sells her clients on creating Avatars as part of her projects Plus we also asked Alaura about how often you should create new customer profile, what she’s doing

For the 60th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob opted not to invite a guest on the show and instead take your questions and give our off-the-cuff, no-preparation answers. We don’t claim to have all the answers, but we did our best with what we have. We talked about: •  where we got our first clients (and where we get some of our clients today) •  why relationships are so critical especially for freelancers who never leave the house •  how copywriting has changed since we both got started and what that means to you •  what we expected The Copywriter Club to become when we first started out •  how we keep all the plates spinning (Rob has dropped a couple) •  what comes first the club or clients (don’t let our clients see this) Plus we also talked about where we find the most satisfaction in our work and our thoughts on LinkedIn and Medium and which one is best for sharing your work. We don’t have a guest to carry us on this one, but to hear everything we shared

For the 59th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, in-house copywriter and creator of The Headline Project, Justin Blackman, is in the house to share how writing 100 headlines a day for 100 days changed his writing and his business. (We recorded this one a couple of months ago and are just getting around to publishing it now—apologies Justin.) In this episode Justin shares: •  his path from sports and field marketer to copywriter •  what his job as an in-house copywriter involves from one day to the next •  why he started a side gig as an outlet for his creativity •  how Shel Silverstein helped launch his first side gig—try, fly or walk away •  why more copywriters should consider in-house gigs instead of freelancing •  what in-house copywriters can expect to make (yep, we asked this question) •  what made Justin decide to write 100 headlines in 100 days •  some of the “tricks” he used for brainstorming to stay prolific •  how his “creativity muscle” grew as he did the work

For the 58th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira Hug and Rob Marsh sit down to talk with financial copywriter, Jake Hoffberg about all kinds of things related to writing copy in the financial niche, including: •  his first exposure to direct response and how he got into internet marketing •  how he was rejected by every division of Agora but one before he landed his first project •  the terrible cold email pitch template he used (we share it, don’t use it) •  his contrarian “I want to make money” path to copywriting •  the kinds of projects he willingly took on just to get started •  how he leveraged his new relationships into more jobs and more clients •  the real value that copywriters provide their clients (it’s not writing copy) •  the process for pitching new ideas and getting the next project, and •  how to double your income in 6 months Plus we also asked for his thoughts about getting royalties, which clients will pay them, and how to structure royalties th

In the 57th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with Heather Dominick who coined the term, highly sensitive entrepreneur—a name for business owners who are more sensitive to the demands of start-up and freelance work. During our conversation, we asked her: •  what a “highly sensitive entrepreneur is” and whether it’s a weakness we need to overcome •  how to know if you were born highly sensitive—20% of us are •  whether there’s something wrong with Rob who is highly insensitive •  what being highly sensitive means (and the superpowers HSEs have) •  a few questions you can ask yourself to find out if you’re an HSE •  how to work (or live) with someone who is highly sensitive •  how to approach work (and life) as a highly sensitive entrepreneur •  the importance of processes and systems to support your work as a HSE, and •  how to network as an HSE. We also asked Heather about the similarities between HSEs and introverts (they’re not the same thing) and

Personal branding expert and talented designer, Sarah Ancalmo Ashman is the guest for the 56th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. She shared with Kira and Rob (and you) how she became a brand expert—she started out as an ad agency designer working with personalities like Madonna, Jimmy Fallon and the rock group, RadioHead. In the podcast she talks about: •  how she developed her unique design style and why she chose branding as her discipline •  the first steps she took when she started her own agency •  what branding is and why it is so important to have a strong brand •  some of the more important elements that make up your brand •  how to identify what make you (and your brand) unique •  what you need to know or work on before you engage a designer •  why copywriters shouldn’t shape their brand around their clients •  her contrarian advice on which formulas you should use for your brand •  how to create a brand for yourself when you don’t have the budget to work with

Paid search expert (and copywriter club member) Amy Hebdon joins Kira and Rob for the 55th episode of the podcast to talk about search marketing, the tools and skills you need to do it right, best practices for testing and messaging, and whether copywriters can drive quality leads for their own businesses with paid search. Here’s what we cover: •  how Amy went from inexperienced copywriter to web designer to paid search consultant •  what paid search is and the various places you can participate in it •  why copywriters need to know about paid search, keywords, ads and landing pages •  how writing for search is different from typical ad writing •  when you should write for Google and when you should write for people (you can do both) •  why you should work backwards from your landing page before writing your ads •  why traffic and clicks are a terrible metric in paid search •  best practices for testing ads so you get better insights, and •  the tools Amy uses to monitor her a

Copywriter Chanti Zak (aka Chantelle Zakariasen aka the Queen of Quiz Funnels) joins us for the 54th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Chanti started her career as a food blogger, racking up more than 50,000 regular visitors and a big email list before transitioning to copywriting for coaches and other wellness-based businesses. During our interview, she tells us about: •  how she went from moderately successful food blogger to in-demand copywriter •  the biggest differences between blogging and copywriting •  quiz funnels—what they are and what they do •  how a quiz can segment an audience—and they don’t even realize it’s happening •  how she’s packaged her services to be appealing to different kinds of clients •  how she pitches and cold emails clients successfully •  what she does to make her emails stand out and get a response •  how she batches her pitches to use her time more effectively •  website shame and what she did to overcome it, and •  the three things she

Ryan Johnson, Head Copywriter at IWT (short for I Will Teach, Ramit Sethi’s company) steps up to the microphone with Kira and Rob for the 53rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. This interview covers a lot of ground, including: •  how after a grueling interview in his car, Ryan failed to get a job with IWT only to get hired a few months later (never give up) •  how to get inside the head of your client so you can speak with his or her voice •  his process for laying out all the moving pieces of a launch, and •  how he maps emotions to his launch plans so customers can’t wait to respond •  the 7 deadly email funnel sins •  two reasons to use long-form sales pages •  the “leap stacking” technique he uses to help his writers uplevel their skill (and what doesn’t work when trying to improve) Plus Ryan shares the “copy levers” that Gary Bencivenga used to get better at his craft, how he avoids writer’s block, and the one thing he would do if he had to start his career all ove

When we launched The Copywriter Club Podcast, we made a list of copywriters we wanted to interview and the guest for episode 51, David Garfinkel, was at the top. Known as the World's Greatest Copywriting Coach, David is a world-class copywriter who regularly consults with clients like Agora Financial and GKIC along with several high-level copywriters to help improve the performance of their copy. During our interview, David talked about: •  how he got his start as a copywriter •  a “this will only work for me” method for finding your first project •  the story behind his $40 million dollar sales letter •  the mistakes he made as he was just starting his business •  how he made the shift to coaching and what he does as a coach •  the three things to look for in a copy coach •  how to overcome objections with your copy •  what mistakes he sees over and over again that you will want to avoid •  the importance of “relevant credentials” when making any sale •  when you should star

Direct response copywriter and video sales letter expert, Valentina Volcinschi, is in the house for episode 51 of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Kira and Rob ask her about how she became a direct response copywriter and how she developed her skills—she’s written a ton of successful promotions including one that pulled in $7 million in 5 months and saved a company that was headed toward bankruptcy. She also talks about... •  how musician Jack White landed her a job in direct response •  the “secret” 1000-page book that helped launch her career •  how she injects emotion into her copy •  her “puzzle structure” for sales pages •  how to get started working in the survival niche •  the biggest differences between sales pages and VSLs •  the EPW writing process that you probably use but don’t know it •  how she researches for her assignments Plus Valentina goes deep on how feeling your customer’s pain can make all the difference in a sales message and how she entertains with her co

For our 50th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, we’re doing things a little differently. Actually, quite a bit differently. We’ve flipped the microphone and invited Ry Schwartz back for another visit—but this time to ask questions of copywriters Kira Hug and Rob Marsh (your humble hosts for all the other episodes). Ry does his best to get the goods from us. In the process we cover... •  Rob’s advice on how to have a happy marriage (obviously he hasn’t had to give it a lot of thought) •  how copywriting applies to marriage •  the nicest thing anyone has ever said to Kira •  what Rob and Kira would look for if they were hiring a “copy cub” •  what they do to learn new things every day •  the music they listen to (or don’t) when they write—you may be surprised •  what Kira and Rob would do right now if they had to rebuild their businesses from scratch •  what they’ve learned as they created a coaching program •  what they would do if they couldn’t be copywriters any more

For the 49th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Sean D'Souza is here to talk about about the psychological tactics that get people to respond to your sales message. Kira and Rob go deep with Sean asking about how he started his business and what he wants from it today. Sean talks about: •  how he got into copywriting, then out, then back in. •  how a short presentation inspired by Jay Abraham inspired The Brain Audit •  the seven “red bags” of The Brain Audit and how they work together •  the questions he asks when creating a sales page •  the “x-ray vision” problem that books and courses suffer from •  why teaching is the best kind of selling •  how to establish yourself as an expert •  what kind of testimonials you should have on your sales pages (would you believe they should be 1500 words?) • and more... Perhaps most importantly for overworked copywriters, we asked Sean how he manages to take three months of vacation every year and how his morning routine helps him

Copywriter Marcella Allison is the only person who has “cubbed” for the biggest names in copywriting including Parris Lampropolous, Clayton Makepeace, David Deutch and Mark Ford. And she’s learned a lot along the way. Marcella stopped by our virtual studio to chat with Rob and Kira about: •  how she got started as a copywriter (twice) •  whether copywriters can develop a talent for writing about complex things •  how an unexpected kiss from Marty Edelston transformed her career •  the importance of mentorship in building your career in copywriting •  the top lessons she learned from two of her mentors •  how to effectively use the feedback you get from a mentor, and •  the lesson David Deutch accidentally taught her about ego. Plus, Marcella shares the “beginning painter” learning trick she recommends if you want to break into a copywriting niche. This episode is another good one you won’t want to miss. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. M

Do you struggle with impostor syndrome (or more accurately impostor complex)? Then you’re going to love this episode. Tanya Geisler stops by The Copywriter Club Podcast to talk with Rob and Kira all about why we struggle to believe in ourselves and our work. It’s an evolutionary behavior that’s designed to protect us, but in today’s modern world, often keeps us from doing our best and most important work. In this interview Tanya shares: •  the background on the “discovery” of impostor complex •  how it affects both men and women •  the three primary reasons we have impostor complex •  the 12 lies of the impostor complex •  the six behavioral traits we default to when we experience impostor complex Plus Tanya shares a simple “hack” for dealing with the impostor complex when it rears its ugly head. You’re going to want to listen to this one. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory

Because this is a short informational episode all about our upcoming mastermind group that we’re calling The Copywriter Think Tank, we’re not doing a transcript for this one. However, to find out more about The Think Tank and what we have planned you can go to www.copywriterthinktank.com and get on the notification list. Click to listen...

For the 46th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, our friend, copywriter and comedian, Lianna Patch stops by to tell her story (she starts at the very beginning) about making copywriting her career. During the next 40ish minutes share also shares: •  Why she chose humor as her “hook” for copywriting clients •  her snarky answer to the dumbest question Rob has ever asked •  the enormously helpful life hack that would freak out AA •  how the rules of comedy can improve your copywriting •  how to be funny without being nasty •  what she did to land her first (and second and third) speaking engagements •  how she deals with projects that scare her And we cover a whole lot of other ground too. Like what brands are doing a good job with humorous copy and the advice she has for new copywriters. Plus, Lianna is the first guest to tell a joke on the podcast. As you’ve come to expect, this is another solid episode packed with ideas you can put to use in your business. To hear it, cl

This is the 45th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast and we're joined by online business expert Zach Spuckler. As you listen, you’ll see that Zach’s energy and enthusiasm is contagious—and it quickly becomes clear why we booked him for the show. Zach shares how he started his first business at age 12, started a food blog and a few other businesses before deciding he needed to work in a business that he loved. In the interview Zach talks about: •  how he knew it was time to do “something new” in his business •  how he built his “authority” as an expert (and what you should do to build yours) •  his process to ensure he focuses on the most important things first •  his approach to discipline and showing up every day •  what his idea of great copy is (we think it’s spot on), and •  how he uses funnels in his business Zach also shares his thoughts about what beginning copywriters can do to get their businesses off the ground and the massive difference a team and systems can mak

Copywriter Abbey Woodcock stops by The Copywriter Club Podcast studio to share how she went from being a single mom and journalist struggling to make ends meet to a highly paid copywriter specializing in complex launch sequences. And she shares a few of the hard-won lessons along the way. Things like: •  when you should absolutely NOT buy that course or coaching program •  the #1 thing she learned working for Ramit Sethi •  how she writes sales pages that make customers think she is reading their minds •  the “table stakes” principle for delivering solid copy •  what she does to make sure she’s not the smartest person in the room (even if she is) •  the surprising thought Abbey has on every single project she works on •  why and how she set up systems for her business •  how you can get to the point where you can work on large launch projects, and •  the worst things she sees going on in the copywriting world today As we were wrapping up the interview, Abbey saved the best

Former professional basketball player and current email copywriter, Big Jason Henderson, joins Rob and Kira for the 43rd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Jason shares how he went from Australian basketball star to highly paid email copywriter and in the process talks about: •  the too-easy-to-believe advice for writing great emails •  how he keeps his emails personal by writing to “one” person •  the recommended number of links that should go in every email (jk) • the tools he uses to track clicks and revenue •  his go-to writing formula for emails •  what it means to sell the click vs. sell the product •  which is the better motivator—the carrot or the stick •  why there’s no such thing as an email expert, and •  how he manages stress and overwork (when he doesn’t sleep for two days) Another eye-opening episode packed with lots of lessons, tactics and strategies you can use in your own copywriting business. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full tran

In the 42nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with Casey Slaughter Stanton about his career path and how he found his way into marketing by pushing a lawn mower. Today he runs his own marketing and tech business, and focuses on what he calls “functional marketing”. During our conversation, we asked Casey about his approach to business and working with customers. He shared: •  How you can sell more by selling to only one person •  How empathetic guessing can help you connect better with your customers •  The DOS formula and how it helps him understand his client’s business •  His approach to creating proposal clients can’t say “no” to •  How to qualify potential clients so you only work with the right ones •  What he learned working with Gary Bencivenga and Ted Nicolas (he didn’t know who they were at the time), and •  The “head, heart, and home” questions he asks about each of his clients This one is less about copywriting and more about selling your c

Copy Chief Kevin Rogers is in the club for a special inbetween-isode. This is a rare, second episode this week and it’s a good one. Kevin shares his journey from high school drop out with ambitions of stocking shelves at the grocery store to highly paid copywriter, then chief of his own community for copywriters and other business owners. Here’s a sample of what we covered: •  How Kevin landed his first job (and had to create writing samples first) •  His “go with your gut” principle for writing good copy •  How relationships propelled his career forward and the “mentee mindset” •  His four-part joke formula for creating stellar sales hooks •  The three rules Kevin follows when he gives a speech (and the results) •  What it takes to be an expert in something (and why most writers should have a “bat signal” talent) •  John Carlton’s Pro Code, and •  What really makes Kevin angry Plus we got the details on Kevin’s upcoming event in St. Petersburg called Copy Chief Live. It sou

Author, coach and career change expert, Jenny Blake, joins Rob and Kira in The Copywriter Club Podcast studio this week to talk about why she organizes her book shelf by color : ). We also talk about her book, Pivot: The Only Move that Matters is Your Next One. But this isn’t just a pitch for Jenny’s book. She walked us through the process but also talked about: •  How to figure out your strengths then determine where you want to be a year from now •  How to scan the horizon for opportunities, people, and skills that might take you to the next level •  How to experiment with your pivots to eliminate risk and find things that work •  How to deal with your inner CFO who says, “you’re out of your mind” to try something new or different •  The “Do, Drop or Delegate” formula for staying engaged in your work •  Why you should create scalable streams of income as part of your business, and •  How to build a platform so you get noticed If you’re thinking about changing careers to bec

Kim Krause Schwalm joins Rob and Kira to share her thoughts and advice about copywriting. She also talks about how she went from successful marketing director to control-beating copywriter in less than two years. It’s a great story. Along the way she shared her thoughts about: •  climbing the copywriter ladder (and why it’s so lucrative) •  how to stay in control of your writing process •  the copywriting lessons she (re)learned from Parris Lampropolous and Clayton Makepeace • the one thing all A-list copywriters have in common • and why you might not want Kim to make your next lasagna It’s another great interview and look into how a fantastic copywriter runs her business. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory Clayton Makepeace interview with Kim Boardroom Gary Bencivenga Jim Rutz Healthy Directions Ted Nicholas Kim’s L.A. Bootcamp David Deutsch Brian Kurtz Clayton Ma

Copywriter and cold emailing specialist, Jorden Roper, joins Kira and Rob in The Copywriter Club Podcast studio for the 39th episode. Jorden is a three time college dropout who lost her job (the same day her husband lost his job at the same company) and managed to find several freelance clients within a month. She shares how she did it, and how she used cold emailing to find clients plus: •  How you can do cold emailing that lands clients on day one •  The cold emailing formula she used to grow her business •  How she used Pinterest to brainstorm her brand •  How to be fearless as you “put yourself out there” •  How she uses Youtube to attract a different audience to her blog •  How much work she put into creating and launching her course •  The biggest mistake she sees new writers making today This one is packed with useful information and ideas any writer, beginner or expert, can use to grow and improve their business. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full

Copywriter Jessica Manuszak joins Kira and Rob to talk all things copy for the 38th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Jessica specializes in capturing the unique voice of her clients. In this interview, Jessica opens up and shares the details of how she’s grown her business over the past couple of years, including... (we added the ellipsis for her benefit—you’ll see why). •  How she became the top-performing salesperson with absurd scripts •  The “mixtape” secret for writing in her client’s voice •  Her process for naming products and services •  How she “justifies her copy” cuts down on edits by using Google Docs •  A step-by-step rundown of her process working with clients •  How she really landed several “big name” clients—she says it was luck : ( •  The thing she hates most that other copywriters keep doing Lots of good ideas and information from a successful copywriter who hasn’t been in the game for decades, but is doing well nonetheless. Click the play button b

Copywriter and business strategist, Maggie Patterson joins The Copywriter Club Podcast to talk about growing a sustainable consulting business. This is actually the second time Maggie has joined us to chat, but sadly, the first recordings are lost to history. In this second go-round (which just might be better than the lost episode), Kira and Rob get the low down on: •  Exactly what it takes to grow a sustainable copywriting business •  The three things you need before you can teach a skill or build a course •  How to find undiscovered opportunities in your business today •  What it takes to move your business to the next level •  How to build a platform and position yourself the right way •  How to get more done (especially when you’re busy) •  How to deal with clients (the good and the bad) •  The one thing copywriters can do to improve their businesses today •  The secret to getting referrals from your clients Maggie lets loose and shares it all in this episode. Click 

Ken McCarthy, also known as the “World’s Most Secretive Copywriter” and “Mr. Internet,” is the guest for this episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, jammed full of great advice for any copywriter who wants to grow beyond simply writing for clients. Ken may be the only guy who can talk about speed reading, the origins of the internet, Johnny Rotten, making soup, Tested Advertising Methods, and of course, copywriting—and have it all make sense in the end. Listen and learn: •  how Ken become the “world’s most secretive copywriter” •  what you have to do to “get good” at copywriting •  Ken's recommendation about how to grow your business beyond copy •  the “stone soup” method for creating a product •  how to avoid the “me too” trap—perhaps the biggest mistake people make online today •  the marketing secret Ken learned from a punk rock drummer •  the books he recommends to give you an unfair advantage over the other copywriters Told you it was jam packed with good stuff. It's al

Copywriter (and photographer) Misha Hettie is in the Copywriter Club studio to talk copy and Facebook Live this week. Kira and Rob asked Misha about her business and she shared a ton of great advice, including her thoughts on: •  the importance of branding yourself as a copywriter (and not looking like everyone else) •  how she became a “brand story evangelist” •  what beginners should do to get started on Facebook Live •  what is the biggest mistake people make on Facebook Live •  her “big rock method” for creating content for Facebook •  her “don’t-miss-it” advice to everyone seeking balance in their lives As usual, there’s a ton of great information in this episode. If you’ve ever thought about using video in your business, this is don’t miss advice. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory Misha’s website Misha’s about page Silicone Valley Title Generator Joanna Wiebe To

LA copywriter, actor, rapper, and comedian, Jason Pickar, is in the club for the 34th episode of the podcast. This episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast comes with a warning label (for mentions of a controlled substances that are still illegal in most states). Jason's an energetic writer with a portfolio full of engaging (and award-winning) work for his clients. In addition to his career path, Rob and Kira asked him about: • How to get on the stage at The Price is Right (and meet Drew Carey) • How Jason landed his first job (then another and another) in the ad agency world • His creative process—an idea he stole from improv • His “machine gun approach” to making sure his ideas get picked by the client • Writing 100 headlines in an hour • Why companies do “branding” • How he stays creative, and • How comedy and improv strengthen his copywriting Jason’s agency experience is different from most of the copywriters we've interviewed for the show. So load up your iPod (or other l

Our first guest to make an encore appearance on the club podcast is Canadian copywriter, Ry Schwartz, who just flew in from Costa Rica in time to talk with Rob and Kira about: • the new “product” Ry is launching soon with his girlfriend • using masterminds to meet potential clients • how he deals with “freak out” • how he vets clients (sometimes he asks them to sing with him) • how he conducts his R&D (and what client work has to do with it) • what he does to get people to take “uncomfortable action” • how he invoices for “giving a damn” • what he would do today if he had to start over from scratch There’s so much good stuff in this episode that we’ve already listened to it three times before we released it. Don’t miss all the great advice Ry has to share. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory Copy School Joanna Wiebe Marc Angelo Capalla Superhero Academy The Wonder Twi

This is a special "in-between-isode" with details about our new program for new(ish) copywriters called The Copywriter Accelerator. It's all here: who it's for (and who it's not for), what we're going to cover, the bonuses you'll get, how much it costs and details about the 90-day money-back guarantee. For more details, check out www.thecopywriteraccelerator.com. Click the play button below. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: The Copywriter Accelerator Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Sorry, no transcript for this show.  

Copywriter Sarah Grear stops by the clubhouse to share how she’s built a successful copywriting business over the past five years. Sarah’s clients include course creators and entrepreneurs about to launch their products. As usual, Rob and Kira ask questions to pull back the curtain and reveal the tactics and ideas that have made her successful, including: •  The two-year process she used to identify her niche •  How she slowly priced herself out of doing websites (and what she charges now) •  Why she does “live edits” with her clients •  How she creates a copywriting experience for the people she works with •  What she did to land a speaking gig at Rick Mulready’s event and Social Media Week •  How she used networking to get 80% of her clients when she was just getting started •  Why she created a $1000 course and lowered the price since it launched •  How she takes four months off a year (and doesn't lose clients or revenue). We say this a lot, but this is another must-list

Kate Toon joins The Copywriter Club Podcast for episode 31—all the way from Australia. She co-hosts Hot Copy, which we’ve jokingly referred to as “the second best copywriter” podcast. She casually throws out words like “scuppered” and “rubbish” and “bloomin’” as she talks with Rob and Kira about: • the backdoor she opened to land a copywriter job at Ogilvy • the “agency” skills she learned that she applies in her freelance work every day • why freelancing is so much harder than working at an agency • why creating products isn’t the path to easy street you might think it is • how she created products and courses—all while working for her clients • why she’s taking a year off from reading blog posts and articles And there’s much more in this episode to tickle your ears. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory Ogilvy Mad Men The Clever Copywriting School Kate’s SEO Course Rand

Kira Hug and Rob Marsh are back with another “guestless” episode where they talk about what they’re doing right in their own businesses and what challenges they are struggling with. Plus they recap a few of the things they’ve learned from the previous 10 episodes—like the importance of process, being willing to share and teach others without expecting to get something in return, taking time for yourself, balance and much more. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Rob’s book Rob’s newsletter The Copywriter Club Marian Schembari Pete Michaels Joel Klettke Case Study Buddy Roy Furr Tepsii Brian Kurtz Mariano Rivera James Wedmore The Copywriter Accelerator (link coming) Ry Schwartz Kate Toon The Hot Copy Podcast Sarah Grear Misha Hettie Ken McCarthy Leave a review on iTunes Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Full Tr

Rock and roll copywriter Pete Michaels joins Rob and Kira in The Copywriter Club Podcast studio to talk about his personal journey into direct response writing. He shares his thoughts about: • how to conduct “deep dive” surveys and asking the MSIQ • how he learned from mentors early in his writing career (and who his mentors are) • adding consulting to his copywriting business (and how he packages it) • the “Snap Shot” he stole from Stephen King Plus Pete mentions the book that convinced him that he didn’t have time for Facebook. But you’ll have to listen to learn what it is. There’s a ton of good advice packed into this episode. So click the play button below, check out the transcript, or download it to your mobile device and get it in your ear buds now.   The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Vin Montello Joanna Wiebe Kevin Rogers John Carlton Jason Leister Ben Settle Ryan Leveque Ask Method Book Dan Kennedy Copy Chief Stephen King’s It Stephen Kin

Copywriter Marian Schembari joins Rob and Kira on The Copywriter Club Podcast to share her thoughts on a long list of topics, including: • How she landed a job using social media (and why she doesn’t like SM now) • How she convinces clients to focus on the “one” reader • Her process for creating awesome About Pages • Why all copywriters should work with an editor • Dealing with depression when you work alone • How she raised her rates, an • Why storytelling is so important in copywriting This is a good one! To hear it all, click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: The Unmistakable Creative Guerilla Marketing for Job Hunters CouchSurfing 10X Emails Copyhackers Book Passage Where Stellar Messages Come From XO Jane The Great Value Proposition Test X-Files Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Full Transcript: Marian Schem

In the 27th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with a copywriter known by one name—yep, just like Cher, Prince, and Madonna—Tepsii. She shares her secret for getting referrals before she starts working with her clients, how she landed 10 clients at a conference by asking a few questions and how she organizes her projects and communicates with clients using Trello. And that’s just the first 20 minues. Don’t miss this great interview. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Jen Scalia Man Bun Ry Schwartz Hattie Brazely Trello Google Drive Sold Out and Booked Solid Psycho-Cybernetics Melanie Duncan Marie Forleo Danielle Laporte Hillary Weiss Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Full Transcript: Tepsii dishes on how she went from a nobody to a superstar copywriter in a single month... Rob: What if y

Freelance copywriter Josh Garofalo joins Rob and Kira for the 26th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast to talk about the importance of choosing a niche (and to go deep into it), what resources he uses to stay sharp, how to get noticed at conferences and working with other copywriters on big projects. He also shares the story of how he got into copywriting and his process for working with customers (this episode is worth listening to just for the way Josh talks about process). Check it out... Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Inbound The Pit Joanna Wiebe Copyhackers MicroConf Josh’s Site HubSpot Joel Klettke Gary V Momoko Price ConversionXL Tested Advertising Methods Scientific Advertising Influence You Should Test That Gene Schwartz David Ogilvy Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Full Transcript: Kira: Wh

Business guru and YouTube expert James Wedmore stops by the podcast to share his thoughts about creating a tiered business that brings in income at various levels and price points, how copywriters could be using YouTube to grow their audiences, what he would do if he were a copywriter wanting to create a course, and using the formula “Be, Do, Have” to build a life around the things that matter most. If you struggle to balance work with the rest of your life, this is a must listen episode. Check it out: Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Think and Grow Rich James’ Podcast Stu McLaren Tribe Wishlist Member Inner Circle Mastermind Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Full Transcript: Rob: What if you could hang out with seriously talented copywriters and other experts, ask them about their successes and failures, their work

Direct response copywriter, Roy Furr, stops by The Copywriter Club Podcast to talk about writing control-beating direct mail and how he raised his rates from just $2000 per project to $20,000 plus royalties on everything he writes. We also talk about how he writes and sends an email with over 1,000 words to his list every day, what his typical day looks like, and a whole lot more. One word of caution, as we were getting started, a fire alarm went off in Roy’s office. Everyone is okay, but the sudden shriek of the alarm is a bit jolting. If you listen to the podcast while trying to fall asleep, you may want to fast forward a bit. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: Want to sponsor the podcast? Drop us a line. The Well-fed Writer Perry Marshall Ken McCarthy’s System Seminar AWAI FoamWingCutting.com Clayton Makepeace Workflowy Clayton’s 20 Point Outline Great Leads by Michael Masters

Shanelle Mullin, copywriter and content curator for ConversionXL joins The Copywriter Club Podcast with Kira and Rob talk to talk about what copywriters really need to know about testing, how she picked her career path at the age of 15, what writers can do to network more effectively at conferences like CXL Live (where Shanelle plays a big role) and how she has connected with so many “big names” online. After the last marathon episode, this one is a more reasonable length. Lots to learn here... Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory Life Lessons Learned from 10 Years of Marketing Habbo Hotel Rene Warren OnBoardly Klout Joanna Wiebe Gary V Tim Ferris Peep Laja Talia Wolf ConversionXL Live ConversionXL Institute A/B Testing Mastery Psychological Backfiring Buying Modalities Oli Gardner Sean Ellis Jared Spool Krista Seiden Joel Klettke Shanelle’s twitter Kira’s web

Direct response guru Brian Kurtz joins The Copywriter Club Podcast to talk copy. But interviewing Brian isn't like interviewing most people. He's a bit like a jazz musician who takes your question and riffs on it—sharing all kinds of great stories and advice in the process. You just let him go. In this episode, Kira and Rob asked Brian about his article, The Next Million Dollar Copywriter, in addition to questions about mastermind groups and what baseball can teach us about copywriting (listen to the end of this admittedly long interview for his fantastic answer). This is one of our favorites and once you listen, you'll understand why. Special bonus: Brian broke our record for the most people and stuff mentioned in a single episode. Check them all out. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory Mel Martin Gene Schwartz Parris Lamprolous How to Write a Good Advertisement by Victor Sch

Joel Klettke stops by The Copywriter Club Podcast studio to chat with Kira and Rob talk about how he launched his business as a highly paid copywriter, his process (and a roadmap for a roadmapping session), testing rates, working with other writers and relentlessly chasing down referrals to bring in new business. We asked Joel if anyone can learn copywriting and accomplish what he has, he didn’t sugar coat the answer (you’ll have to listen to hear what he said). And while we say this about a lot of our episodes, this one truly is stellar. The advice Joel shares should be a permanent part of every copywriter’s playbook. Check it out: Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory Upwork ProBlogger Job Board HubSpot Insight Squared Joel’s Process Page Brennan Dunn MozCon Joanna Wiebe Kate Toon The Copywriter Club Facebook Page Business Casual Copywriting Case Study Buddy Neil Pate

In the 20th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk about the ideas and advice from the first 19 episodes that they've found most helpful in their own businesses. This episode is a bit like a Cliff Notes version of the podcast and a great way to catch up on the show if you've missed any of the previous discussions. But more than just a review, Rob and Kira talk about how the ideas their guests have shared have changed the way they do business. This is a great episode, don't miss it. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory Reviews in iTunes and Stitcher Facebook Group Joanna Wiebe Ben Settle The Ultimate Sales Letter The Advertising Solution Breakthrough Advertising Claude Hopkins The Dark Arts of Long Form Sales Pages Amy Posner Lianna Patch Jennifer Havice Tarzan Kay Kira’s Email List Lacy Boggs Rob’s Email List Finding the Right Message (Jen’s book

Upwork specialist Danny Maguiles joins Kira and Rob for the 19th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, where they talk about how to create a six-figure freelance writing career working with clients on Upwork, Danny's Crystal Ball technique for winning clients, and three things copywriters can do to separate themselves from all of the other writers out there. We didn't hold back in this one—we grill Danny on the truth about working on platforms like Upwork. And honestly, we were surprised by what he had to say. Don't miss this one... Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory Danny Interview at Bloomberg's Benchmark Podcast Upwork That Medium Post That Medium Post, Part II That Medium Post, Part III Freelance to Win Secrets of a Six Figure Upworker The Copywriter’s Handbook by Bob Bly Decisive by Dan and Chip Heath Start With Why by Simon Sinek Simon Sinek’s TED Talk Kira’s

Hillary Weiss is in the house for the 18th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Rob, Kira and Hillary chat about finding confidence, hiring and working with a VA, Hillary’s love for Andre3000 and hip hop, the lessons she’s learned from building a course and where she’s taking her business in 2017. We tried to find links to her Star Wars Romance Fan Fiction, but so far Google has failed us. If you know where she’s hiding these nuggets, add the link in the comments. Don’t miss this fantastic episode with freelance copywriter Hillary Weiss. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory Don’t write words. Write Music. Andre3000 Michael Bolton and Tupac Crew.co Blog The NextWeb Buffer Blog Art of becoming indispensible (Business Insider) Hillary’s old site Are you the icing or the cake? Copyblogger Problogger Alexandra Franzen Danielle Laporte Amy Harrison Hillary’s Website Hi

Copywriter and analytics expert, Momoko Price, joins Rob and Kira for this 17th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast to talk about how she has created a unique niche business that combines copywriting with analytics, how she helps clients understand the importance of analytics, the course she created for ConversionXL and much more. Data geeks won't want to miss this episode—neither will any writer who works with clients that need more conversions. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory Joanna Wiebe Conversion Optimization FB Group Peep and ConversionXL Momo’s Facebook page Kantan.io (Momo’s website) Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Full Transcript: Kira: The Copywriter Club Podcast is sponsored by Airstory, the writing platform for professional writers who want to get more done in half the time. Lear

Lacy Boggs joins Kira and Rob to talk about creating a distinctive brand voice for her own business as well as her clients, what kinds of projects she takes on (and how she prices them), the impact creating courses and other content has had on her business and the advice she would give to just-starting-out Lacy about copywriting and building a business. Lacy is an expert content creator. This episode is jammed full of great advice and helpful tips that other writers should pay close attention to. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory Sarah Ancalmo Tara Gentile Beth Hayden Sally Hogshead and How to Fascinate Lacy’s About Page Lacy’s Website Lacy's Facebook page Lacy’s Library Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Full Transcript: Rob: The Copywriter Club Podcast is sponsored by Airstory, the writing plat

Laura Belgray joins Kira and Rob to talk about everything from her work processes (she writes and brainstorms realtime with her clients watching via Skype) and finding confidence to what she would tell herself if she could go back in time to when she was just staring out and why she hasn't chosen a niche for her work. It's an in-depth discussion with the only copywriter Marie Forleo chose to create a copy course with. You don't want to miss this one. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory Laura Roeder The Copy Cure Marie Forleo B-School Laura’s gross out blog post Laura’s newsletter (and website) Amy Porterfield Michelle Martello Awesome Screenshot Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Full Transcript: Kira: The Copywriter Club Podcast is sponsored by Airstory, the writing platform for professional writer

The one and only Joanna Wiebe, who invented the title, conversion copywriter, joins Rob and Kira for the 14th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. They talk about Joanna's ambition to be a dermatologist (she's never talked about this publicly before), dropping out of law school on the first day, being a creative writer (and how that was a mistake), what she would do if she had to build her business from scratch today, where Joanna finds inspiration and a bunch of other copy-related questions.  Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory Copyhackers Intuit The copywriter mastermind Fresh Skin Care Products Neil Patel Rob's Newsletter (which Joanna says is “really good”) Brain Clark Copyblogger Tim Grahl Jen Havice Deep Dyve Joanna’s post on time management Todd Herman Dan Kennedy’s Ultimate Sales Letter Breakthrough Advertising Joel Klettke Sam Woods Dan Martell AirStory

Kira and Rob talk with Sam Woods, the best copywriter you’ve never heard of, about human motivations, how to get crazy-high response rates to email, working on a cruise ship and squeezing the marrow out of life. Sam’s advice about getting to the root of your customer’s desires and moving them from where they are now to where they need to be to buy your product is so good, every copywriter should take notes and use it in their copy. Take a listen... Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: Tarzan Kay (free gift: how to raise your rates to $250/hr) Reis Profile Clayton Makepeace Infusionsoft Sam's Website Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Full Transcript: Kira: This episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast is sponsored by Tarzan Kay who has created a special training just for our club members about how to raise your rate

Jennifer Havice talks about how to do customer research, how writing a book has changed her business, the #1 thing she's done to move her copywriting business forward in the past year, what she's learned from horses and a ton of other great advice on the twelfth episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Don't miss it. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory Jen and horses Peep Laja Copyhackers/Joanna Wiebe Jen’s book: Finding the Right Message Breakthrough Advertising Joe Sugarman’s book: Advertising Secrets Rob’s Book: Telling Your Brand Story James Turner Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Full Transcript: Rob: The Copywriter Club Podcast is sponsored by Airstory, the writing platform for professional writers who want to get more done in half the time. Learn more at Airstory.co/club. Kira: What if you

In the 11th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with direct response copywriter Amy Posner running an agency and her move to freelancing, her lead magnet and what she includes with it to close more projects, her sales process and how she closed a $27,000 project, and the advice she would give to a copywriter who is just starting out. Great advice here. Don’t miss it. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Sponsor: AirStory The Copywriter Mastermind Kolbe Profile Amy's Info Kit Ramit Sethi Amy's Website Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Full Transcript: KH: The Copywriter Club Podcast is sponsored by Airstory, the writing platform for professional writers who want to get more done in half the time. Learn more at airstory.co/club. RM: What if you could hang out with really talented copywriters and o

In the 10th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with “don't-call-him-an-A-list copywriter” Ben Settle about whether he really works 10 minutes a day, his process for writing the Email Players newsletter, his approach to learning (and a great list of books and courses he recommends) and a whole bunch of other subjects that copywriters can learn from. The audio is a touch fuzzy in parts, but what you’ll take away from this episode more than makes up for it. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: elBenbo’s Lair The Copywriter Club Facebook Page Persuasion Secrets of the World's Most Charismatic and Influential Villains CopySlacker Dan Kennedy’s Ultimate Sales Letter John Carlton’s Kick Ass Secrets of a Marketing Rebel Start with No by Jim Camp Breakthrough Advertising by Eugene Schwartz Ken McCarthy’s Copywriting Clinic Gary Halbert’s Newsletter Scott Haines Gray Bencivenga's 

In the ninth episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with copywriter Tarzan Kay about her very unique name, how she seemingly came from nowhere and now is everywhere, money and rates, how she handles email and so much more. And before anyone leaves a comment or emails in anger, yes, Rob knows it’s "Cloud City" not "Sky City." But under the hot lights of our sophisticated sound studio, he simply misspoke. Sorry about that Star Wars fans. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Tarzan’s Website Copyhacker’s Email Challenge Kate Northrup Money a Love Story Barbra Staney - Overcoming Underearning Money Boot Camp Copyhackers Tarzan's end of year blog post Danielle LaPorte Teamwork Asana Copyhackers for Hire Rob’s How to Set Up Your Home Office Article Tarzan’s Newsletter (bottom of the page) B-School Amy Porterfield Product Launch Formula Sales Page Swipe File Kira’s website

In the eighth episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with content creator Dan Foley, one of the co-founders of Tailored Ink. Dan talks about the best sandwiches in New York City as well as the challenges of building a writing agency and what he thinks makes a great writer. This is one of our shorter episode (partly due to an audio malfunction) so it's an easy one to check out... Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Tailored Ink The New York Sandwich Project Minetta Tavern LinkedIn BNI Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Full Transcript: KH: What if you could hang out with really talented copywriters and other experts, ask them about their successes and failures, their work processes, and their habits, then steal an idea or two to inspire your own work? That’s what Rob and I try to do every week at The Cop

In the 7th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with freelance copywriter Jessica Mehring about her experience leaving Hewlett-Packard for the world of freelance. Jessica also shares her experience niching down her business and writing the book on white papers—as well as the effect that book had on her business. Be sure to listen to the end when Jessica talks about the difference between content and copy. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Jessica’s book on White Papers Jessica’s Copyhackers Post The Content Lab Content Chemistry ConvertKit The Ry Schwartz Episode Fascination Advantage Fascinate by Sally Hogshead Content Lab Twitter Horizon Peak Twitter Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity BONUS: Jessica has created a free 4-part email course on how to build a copywriter portfolio that impresse

In the sixth episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob talk with Luke Trayser, Senior Copywriter at midwestern advertising agency Ivor Andrew. Luke shares his thoughts about writing on Medium, using humor in his copy, and what copywriters might expect to earn while working at an agency. Listen to the episode, then check out Luke's writing advice on Medium. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Ivor Andrew Luke’s Articles on Medium Simple Truth How to be a Copywriter A place to interact with other copywriters HyperInk Creativity Inc. by Ed Catmull Ogilvy on Advertising Scientific Advertising by Claude Hopkins Luke’s Twitter Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Full Transcript: KH: What if you could hang out with really talented copywriters and other experts, ask them about their successes and failures, their work

In the fifth episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob interview each other about work processes, research, working with customers and the two things that have made the biggest difference in their careers. This one is a bit long, but still worth a listen. Check it out by clicking the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Actionable Books Kira’s sales pages (coming soon) Fast and Furious Movies Case Study Buddy Femgineer Talia Wolf Jen Havice ConversionXL Agency James Wedmore The Ry Schwartz Episode Jessica Mehring Proposify Balsamiq Adobe Illustrator Breakthrough Advertising Ash Abirge Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Full Transcript: RM: What if you could hang out with really talented copywriters and other experts, ask them about their successes and failures, their work processes and their habits, then steal an

In Episode 4 of The Copywriter Club podcast, Kira and Rob interview former HotJar copywriter, Brian Lenney. Since we recorded the show, Brian has left HotJar for the world of freelancing. And though he didn't know he would be leaving when we spoke, you can hear Brian almost talking himself into the decision during our discussion. Take a listen by clicking the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Inbound.org HotJar Ry Schwartz Winsome Writing Joel Klettke Bob Hoffman | The Ad Contrarian Brian’s Controversial Inbound Discussion Google Docs The Cult of Copy Copyhackers Mastermind The Copywriter Club Facebook Group David Darmanin Gary V—How We Make the Sausage The Brothers Karizmozov Brian Dean Copyhackers Cormack McCarthy’s The Road C.S. Lewis David McCullough Kira’s Horror Podcasts Brian’s Twitter Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebo

In Episode 2 of The Copywriter Club Podcast, Kira and Rob interview "Copywriter to the Stars" Ry Schwartz about becoming a copywriter (a funny story that shows how long he's come), how he landed gigs writing for people like Amy Porterfield, his process for working with clients and understanding customers and much more. Ry even drops his phone number on the show, so listen to the end if you want to chat with him in person. British accent required (you have to listen). Ry is a genuinely nice guy and easy to talk to—which is why this show runs a little long. But the advice he drops is worth the extra time. Check it out by clicking the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript. The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Breakthrough Advertising by Eugene Schwartz Shawshank Benjamin Button Copyhackers Danny Iny (Mirasee, formerly Firepole Marketing) Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankel Clip-on Man Buns Amy Porterfield Jeff Walker's Product Launch Int

In this first episode of The Copywriter Club podcast, Kira and Rob interview Kaleigh Moore about her business, choosing a niche, switching from a "brand" name to using her own name, and her newsletter. One idea that really stands out is Kaleigh's method for reaching out to people she wants to write for—which has landed her gigs with several big publications. Check it out by clicking the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript.   The people and stuff we mentioned on the show: Paul Jarvis’ Creative Class KaleighMoore.com Kaleigh’s articles at Inc, Entrepreneur, SumoMe, and Copyhackers Kaleigh on Twitter Cup of Copy Newsletter Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group Full Transcript: RM: What if you could hang out with really talented copywriters and other experts, ask them about their successes and failures, their work processes and their habits, then steal an idea or two to inspire your

What if you could hang out with really talented copywriters and other experts; ask them about their successes and failures, their work processes and their habits; then steal an idea or two to inspire your own work? That’s what Kira Hug and Rob Marsh do every week at The Copywriter Club Podcast. In this short "pre" episode, Kira and Rob talk briefly about the idea behind The Copywriter Club podcast and what we'll try to accomplish as we talk with copywriters from around the world. Click the play button below to listen, or scroll down for a full transcript.   The stuff we mentioned in the show: The Copywriter Mastermind Actionablebooks.com Joanna Wiebe | Copyhackers Dan Foley | Tailored Ink Intro: Content (for now) Outro: Gravity Kira’s website Rob’s website The Copywriter Club Facebook Group The Copywriter Club Home Page Episode 0 Transcript: K: Hey Rob, how's it going? R: Hey, Kira. Things are good. K: Why did we start this? Why are we making this? R: