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From the Appalachian Trail to the Pacific Crest and everything in between. Backpacker Radio is a show all about the wonderful world that is thru-hiking and long distance backpacking. Co-hosts, Zach "Badger" Davis and Juliana "Chaunce" Chauncey muse on the backpacking life and the latest from the trail every other week. Topics include but are not limited to news, trail culture, interviews, gear, advice, and all you can eat buffets.
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Katie "Oats" Houston on the Appalachian High Route, Lone Star Trail, and Breaking Out in the Outdoor Industry

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Sawyer Products, we are joined by Katie “Oats” Houston. Oats is a solo thru-hiker, who’s completed the AT, Colorado Trail, Lone Star Trail, and most importantly for today’s recording, the 330-mile Appalachian High Route. We dive deep into the Appalachian High Route’s details, including the standout sections, resupply strategy, the best months to hike it, standout stops in Asheville (where Katie is from), and much more. Katie also shares some tips for breaking out as a freelancer in the outdoor industry, which is especially relevant, as she is also a contributor for The Trek and formerly the head of our social media. We wrap the show by teasing our next live podcast- hint, it’s not in Denver, Badger has a hilarious and misfortunate wild animal encounter at my house, the triple crown of conversations you don’t get to on trail, and a listener voicemail / tick PSA. Sawyer Products: Check out Sawyer’s Permethrin Pump at REI. Gossamer Gear: Use code “SNUGGLEBUG” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com.  LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. Shady Rays: Use code “TREK” for 50% off two or more pairs of sunglasses at shadyrays.com. [divider] Interview with Katie “Oats” Houston Katie's Instagram Katie's Trek Profile Katie's Website Time stamps & Questions 00:03:57 - Reminders: We’re coming to Austin, TX! Support us on Patreon and check out our Backpacker Radio hats in the Trek’s store! 00:08:30 - Introducing Oats 00:09:05 - How did you get into the outdoors and the Trek? 00:10:04 - How did you get your trail name? 00:13:22 - Why did you decide to hike the AT? 00:16:32 - Were you the first person to do the Appalachian High Route? 00:19:06 - Can you give us an overview of the Appalachian High Route? 00:25:22 - What’s the route like elevation-wise? 00:28:20 - What are the towns and resupplies like? 00:30:50 - What do you know about the geology of the southern Appalachians? 00:36:01 - What are the highlights of Asheville? 00:40:00 - Could a first time hiker do the Appalachian High Route? 00:41:45 - What did you use for navigation? 00:43:50 - How did you pick to go clockwise? 00:45:46 - Tell us about the hiking you did in Texas 00:46:51 - Do you have tips about thinking through things while thru-hiking? 00:50:00 - Give us your rating and elevator pitch for the Lone Star Trail 00:55:26 - Discussion about the aggressive dogs on the Lone Star Trail 00:57:00 - Discussion about Big Bend National Park 00:59:05 - What are your tips for breaking into the outdoor industry? 01:04:28 - What are different ways to find outdoor industry jobs? 01:06:40 - Walk us through a typical week at Sawyer 01:08:08 - What are your tips for pricing your skills? 01:13:00 - How much freelance work do you do now? 01:14:55 - Give us Sawyer’s background 01:20:57 - Where can people keep up with you? Segments Trek Propaganda: Why I Always Carry a Bear Canister When Thru-Hiking by Moose Juice QOTD: How long would you watch a loading screen before aborting all the info you entered/work you did/progress you made to start over? Scary Thing of the Week Pooping in the Woods Update Triple Crown of conversations you don’t get into on trail Listener Voicemail Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
6/17/20242 hours, 2 minutes, 41 seconds
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Taylor the Nahamsha Hiker on Hiking the AT Twice, Youtube Fame, and Running a Gift Shop

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Sawyer Products, we are joined by Taylor the Nahamsha Hiker. Taylor is a thru-hiker, peak bagger, prominent YouTuber, and as of the recording of this episode, exceptionally pregnant. In addition to hiking the AT in 2021 and 2023, Taylor has also hiked all 48 of New Hampshire’s 4,000 footers. We learn all about her entry into the world of thru-hiking, how she grew her YouTube following- including a friendly sibling rivalry, what the life of running a gift store is like, and her AT-themed Monopoly board game. We wrap the show with a recap of the remainder of this years AT Trail Days, including consuming butter and dead bodies (fortunately, not related), what Backpacker Radio fans shall henceforth call themselves, the triple crown of things we wish we could buy stock in, and preview a 175-mile hike that Badger is doing around Denver. Sawyer Products: Check out Sawyer’s Permethrin Pump at REI. Gossamer Gear: Use code “SNUGGLEBUG” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com.  Shady Rays: Use code “TREK” for 50% off two or more pairs of sunglasses at shadyrays.com. [divider] Interview with Taylor the Nahamsha Hiker Taylor's Website Taylor's Instagram Taylor's Youtube Nahamsha Gifts Time stamps & Questions 00:03:28 - Reminders: Suggest a guest for PCT Days and support us on Patreon for exclusive bonus content! 00:06:07 - Trail Days Recap 00:32:15 - Introducing Taylor 00:34:49 - Tell us about moving to New Hampshire 00:37:17 - Tell us about your first hikes in the Whites and how those prepared you for the AT 00:39:15 - What was it like getting off the AT in 2020? 00:42:50 - How does one get into the gift shop business and what is it like? 00:48:01 - Did you start Youtubing during your first AT attempt? 00:50:22 - Tell us about getting back on the AT in 2021 00:52:25 - Tell us about getting off trail to drive a marathon 00:56:00 - Do you prefer hiking solo over hiking with a tramily? 00:58:30 - When did you start getting judgmental comments on your channel? 01:00:27 - In what instance do the comments go too far? 01:02:50 - How do you maintain your motivation while making videos? 01:06:15 - Did you have media training prior to starting Youtube? 01:08:02 - How has your tech changed over the years? 01:09:21 - What standout stories do you have from your 2021 hike? 01:10:30 - Have you always been athletic? 01:12:30 - Tell us about the Belknap Range Redline 01:16:00 - Discussion about Taylor’s wedding and honeymoon 01:17:24 - How did you decide to hike the AT a second time? 01:19:35 - What places did you intentionally return to on your second thru-hike? 01:20:55 - Tell us about the end of your second AT trip 01:26:57 - Did you enjoy the second hike as much as the first? 01:30:30 - Did you feel compelled to stay on trail because of your audience? 01:31:40 - Discussion about Taylor’s trail videos and advice for others01:33:50 - How do you make sure to record the highs and lows of the hike? 01:36:25 - Do you have any good poop stories? 01:41:48 - Tell us about the Lakes Region Explorer Patch Program 01:42:25 - Tell us about camping while 8 months pregnant  01:44:50 - What videos do you have left to make before giving birth? 01:46:08 - What is the vent diagram between thru-hiker and pregnancy cravings? 01:47:50 - Where can people follow you? 01:48:36 - Sawyer Question: if you were given an unlimited budget to throw a party for any historical figure, who would it be and what would the theme be? Segments Trek Propaganda: Every Pizza on the Colorado Trail, Ranked by JT Simmons QOTD: Beyonce has the beehive, Taylor Swift has the swifties, Lady Gaga has the little monsters…what would Backpacker Radio listeners be? Triple Crown of things you wish you could buy stock in New Thing of the Week Priest Confessions Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
6/10/20242 hours, 26 minutes, 1 second
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Brandon "Horsepower" Weis on the Calendar Year Triple Crown and Arizona Trail

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek brought to you by Sawyer Products, we are joined by Brandon “Horsepower” Weis. With minimal prior backpacking experience, in 2021,  Brandon successfully completed the calendar year triple crown plus a thru-hike of the Arizona Trail. The next two years were not any more laid back, as he accrued more than 15,000 miles worth of backpacking over a three year span, including treks of the Benton MacKay Trail, Pinhoti, Oregon Desert Trail, Bigfoot Trail, Pacific Northwest Trail, Colorado Trail, Hayduke, and the Sheltowee Trace Trail. In addition to giving us an overview of these treks, Horsepower delights us with fun stories, including a terrifying encounter with a grizzly, sleeping in countless pit toilets, being asked to leave a restaurant due to his odor, accidentally drinking deet, and more.  We wrap the show with an overview of the first half of trail days, including how Badger is the world’s biggest moron, the triple crown of our short section hike on the AT, and how many drinks constitute drinking. Sawyer Products: Check out Sawyer’s Permethrin Pump at REI. Gossamer Gear: Use code “SNUGGLEBUG” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com.  LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. Shady Rays: Use code “TREK” for 50% off two or more pairs of sunglasses at shadyrays.com. [divider] Interview with Brandon “Horsepower” Weis Brandon's Instagram Brandon's Book Time stamps & Questions 00:07:30 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon for exclusive bonus content and suggest a guest for us to interview at PCT Days! 00:08:54 - Introducing Horsepower 00:09:40 - What’s your trail name origin story? 00:11:11 - What was your background in weight lifting prior to backpacking? 00:12:45 - Where did your interest in thru-hiking come from? 00:14:37 - How long were your section hikes prior to the CYTC? 00:14:55 - Tell us about being a big Lil Wayne fan 00:16:34 - Tell us about being a partier 00:18:26 - Tell us about deciding to hike the Calendar Year Triple Crown 00:20:29 - In what other ways have you gone all in on something you’re interested in? 00:22:21 - Tell us about starting the Calendar Year Triple Crown 00:24:30 - How much did your pack weigh when you started? 00:26:35 - Did you keep to a regular hiking schedule? 00:28:11 - At any point did you think it might not have been a good idea? 00:30:27 - Did you factor in zero days or town vortexes? 00:36:00 - What were your lowest points on the AT? 00:40:42 - What was your low point on the first CDT section? 00:43:47 - What drew you to The One tent? 00:44:28 - Discussion about switching over to the PCT 00:46:30 - Were you too tired to talk to other hikers? 00:47:08 - What were the high and low points on the PCT? 00:48:54 - How did you mitigate injuries? 00:50:52 - Tell us about your back injury 00:55:00 - Are you glad you have already done the Calendar Year Triple Crown? 00:56:02 - McDonalds bathroom story 00:57:44 - Too smelly to be in a restaurant story 00:58:36 - Was the AZT always the plan? 01:00:12 - Discussion about getting off the Buckeye Trail 01:01:00 - Burnt shoes story 01:03:10 - Pit toilet connoisseur  01:05:48 - Savage mice and rats 01:07:30 - Kind of maybe saved a guy’s life  01:09:10 - Held at nonthreatening knifepoint in a car  01:10:22 - Accidentally drinking DEET  01:10:53 - Accidentally holding a lovely couple hostage  01:12:26 - Hearing the song Roxanne 200 times in a night 01:15:30 - Tell us about going back to smaller trails after the CYTC 01:19:09 - Tell us about the Oregon Desert Trail 01:24:30 - Tell us about the Bigfoot Trail 01:30:48 - What’s your rationale for doing so many miles? 01:31:56 - Are you frugal when out on trail? 01:33:44 - What was your biggest pigout moment? 01:35:05 - What’s your favorite meal on trail? 01:36:37 - Eating so much peanut butter he became allergic 01:39:10 - Did you supplement at all on trail? 01:39:35 - Tell us about the Pacific Northwest Trail 01:48:15 - Plug your book! Segments Trek Propaganda: Authorities Investigating Fish Hooks Stuffed In Dog Treats Along Appalachian Trail by Ariella Nardizzi QOTD: How many drinks constitutes “drinking”? Triple Crown of moments from AT hiking One Minute Gear Reviews Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
6/3/20242 hours, 19 minutes, 1 second
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Quoc "Double Magic" Nguyen on the Alaska Traverse, Norge pa Langs, and Brooks Traverse

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Quoc “Double Magic” Nguyen. Double Magic might just be the most accomplished backpacker you’ve never heard of, along with being in the running for most interesting person on earth. His 23,000 miles of backpacking started with trails you know, like the Colorado Trail and the Pacific Northwest Trail, and quickly evolved to trails you likely haven’t including Norge pa Langs,  Via Dinarica, the Colorado Loop (a 1500 mile route he made up), a pair of epic excursions in Alaska, and trekking around the Aleutian Islands, a thing people don’t do. This one is a like a snowball rolling downhill, it gets more momentum and becomes more dangerous the further it goes.  We wrap the show with some news of grizzlies getting reintroduced to the Cascades, the triple crown of cheeses, and a listener pumps our tires on our behalf. Gossamer Gear: Use code “SNUGGLEBUG” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com.  Jenna Davis: Email [email protected] or call 303-946-9476 to get a free consultation. Shady Rays: Use code “TREK20” for $20 off polarized sunglasses at shadyrays.com. [divider] Interview with Quoc “Double Magic” Nguyen Quoc's Instagram Quoc's Website Time stamps & Questions 00:03:50 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon to get exclusive bonus content and don’t miss important updates by subscribing to the Trek’s newsletter or submitting your email on our website! 00:05:45 - Introducing Quoc 00:07:28 - How did you get into the outdoors? 00:09:34 - How did you transition from peakbagging to thru-hiking? 00:12:04 - What stood out to you from your first thru-hike? 00:13:14 - Were you stressed about money after graduating law school? 00:16:28 - How do you deal with shifting priorities? 00:18:25 - What is your trail name origin story? 00:19:41 - Why the Te Araroa as a second hike? 00:22:45 - Discussion about the TA 00:24:16 - How did you learn about the international hikes you’ve done? 00:26:14 - What did you learn about thru-hiking during your first two hikes? 00:27:29 - What was the first route you created? 00:28:42 - Tell us about the Iceland Traverse 00:35:45 - Do you not feel fear? 00:38:30 - Did you ever think you were gunna die? 00:42:00 - Tell us about the Norway end to end hike 00:45:26 - Was this a stressful trek? 00:46:30 - What were the terrain and resupplies like? 00:48:11 - Discussion about the ULA circuit 00:49:00 - Do you have tips for hiking efficiently? 00:50:38 - Tell us about your nutrition while hiking 00:55:00 - Would you recommend the Norway hike to others? 00:57:29 - How tired are you after the Norway hike? 01:00:00 - How do you make your trips work financially? 01:05:30 - Does it bother you when people don’t return their carts? 01:07:30 - Tell us about your current job in homeland security 01:09:32 - What are the worst things that have happened to you on trail? 01:15:15 - Why don’t you use a satellite communication device or bear spray? 01:17:00 - Story about being charged by bears 01:21:48 - Have your feelings about grizzly bears changed? 01:24:52 - What are you afraid of? 01:27:00 - What is your gym routine like? 01:31:00 - Tell us about the Brooks Range Traverse 01:35:55 - Do you ever get frustrated or lose your temper? 01:36:50 - What are the mileages of these two traverses? 01:39:25 - Tell us about the Alaska Traverse 01:46:00 - What are your big three? 01:47:20 - What do you use for footwear? 01:48:50 - Do you carry a bear canister? 01:51:00 - Tell us about the Cordillera Blanca Traverse & Huayhuash Circuit 01:54:41 - Tell us about the 1,500 mile Colorado Loop 01:58:40 - What are your favorite 13ers? 02:01:22 - Kumo Question: What is the most ridiculous fashion trend you’ve participated in? Segments Chaunce’s Wedding Update Trek Propaganda: Grizzlies To Be Reintroduced in North Cascades: What It Means for the PCT by Kelly Floro QOTD:  Would you rather be a cowboy, a samurai, or a pirate? Triple Crown of cheeses Listener Voicemail Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Jason “Snail” Snailer barely know her, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
5/27/20242 hours, 36 minutes, 57 seconds
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Q&A with Hiking Viking: Underrated Gear, Favorite Hikes, & Go-To Backpacking Foods

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio, we’ve got another banger Q&A episode for you. We are joined by everyone’s favorite viking who hikes to cover your burning questions. Subjects in today’s episode include our most underrated pieces of gear, what single food item we've used on the most hikes, our go-to sun protection strategies, how careful someone should be during a norovirus outbreak, what single thing we like most about long-distance backpacking, and more. We wrap the show with what our level of surprise would be to see a dragon, the triple crown of seemingly simple things that don't make sense (this of course goes off the rails), and we give a listener dream tapeworms. Gossamer Gear: Use code “SNUGGLEBUG” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com.  Jenna Davis: Email [email protected] or call 303-946-9476 to get a free consultation. LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. Shady Rays: Use code “TREK20” for $20 off polarized sunglasses at shadyrays.com. [divider] Q&A with Jabba Viking's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:03:22 - Reminders: Keep up with content from the Trek via the newsletter, check out our brand new hats (and use code “gingerstuff” for 15% in the Trek store), and recommend someone we should interview at PCT Trail Days! 00:06:34 - Introducing Jabba 00:08:52 - What’s your sun protection strategy in highly exposed environments? 00:31:12 - What’s the most underrated piece of gear in your pack? 00:40:19 - Patent Pending: Titanium Water Bottle 00:47:45 - What is the single food item that’s been in your food bag the most? 01:06:50 - How can you handle norovirus outbreaks? 01:15:10 - The Veteran-Vargo-Viking Story 01:23:50 - How many times do you poo a day hiking/biking…also who’s cooler, Zach or Chaunce? 01:26:47 - How do you maintain muscle mass on the trail, especially after so many hikes? 01:30:11 - What was your first tattoo? 01:33:55 - What’s your favorite hiking trail you’ve ever done? 01:39:05 - How do you pack a frameless pack? 01:43:57 - If you had to pick one thing you like most about thru-hiking, what would it be? Segments Trek Propaganda List of US Long Trails 5 Budget-Friendly Ultralight Backpacking Hacks by Moose Juice Kumo Question: What is the weirdest thing you’ve ever eaten and would you recommend it? QOTD: How surprised would you be to see a dragon flying in the sky? Triple Crown of seemingly simple things that don’t make sense Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Jason “The Snail” Snailer barely know her, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
5/20/20242 hours, 42 minutes, 22 seconds
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Backpacker Radio LIVE with Ryan "Dirtmonger" Sylva

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we'll do it live! That's right, we are once again joined by backpacking legend, Ryan Sylva aka Dirtmonger, to learn more about his ridiculously extensive backpacking experience from around the world, but this time we are joined by 60 of our best friends at the Skylark Lounge in Denver, Colorado. Although many beers were consumed during the making of this podcast, we feel confident this live episode stays in bounds, at least relative to the first go around, which we no longer speak of. We wrap the show with a QA from attendees of this event, a triple crown of the best sports movies, Chaunce gives us the full rundown on her engagement, and we finally introduce our highly anticipated new segment, Trail Confessionals. Banner photo credit: Rolf Asphaug Backpacker’s Pantry: Use code “BPR20” for 20% off at backpackerspantry.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “SNUGGLEBUG” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com.  Appalachian Gear Company: Use code “BPRADIO20” for 20% off at appalachiangearcompany.com. Shady Rays: Use code “TREK20” for $20 off polarized sunglasses at shadyrays.com. Outdoor Vitals: Get 17% off the Ventus plus a free backpacking pillow at outdoorvitals.com/thetrek. [divider] Live Podcast Dirtmonger's Instagram Dirtmonger's Blog Time stamps & Questions 00:05:17 - Reminders: Submit feedback to [email protected], sign up for the Trek’s newsletter, and reach out to us if you know a venue that would like to host us! 00:06:27 - Introducing Dirtmonger 00:13:20 - Tell us about your Poop Loop Bikepacking route 00:15:36 - Was this the start of a new chapter in your life? 00:19:20 - Does bikepacking scratch the same backcountry itch as backpacking? 00:22:58 - How do you develop and feel confident in your philosophy about backpacking? 00:26:54 - Tell us about your backstory 00:31:12 - Have you ever done something you wouldn’t want to do again? 00:34:15 - Sell us on bikepacking 00:37:28 - Discussion about using other activities to heal while still adventuring 00:44:15 - What’s the longest day you’ve had on a bike? 00:46:30 - Tell us about the Salkantay Trek, Ausungate Circuit, and Cordillera Real Traverse 00:50:59 - Do you learn things when you hike with Swami? 00:54:02 - What do you mean by hiking at your level? 00:59:56 - Discussion about hiking alone versus with people 01:01:52 - How did that inform the hiking decisions you made afterwards? 01:02:35 - What appeals to you about the desert? 01:04:40 - Tell us about the Oregon Desert Trail 01:06:50 - Tell us about the Altiplano Traverse 01:11:35 - Are there outdoor conditions that you don’t enjoy? 01:14:23 - Has there been a scenario where you turned back because the conditions were bad? 01:17:20 - What’s your mentality about proving yourself to other people? 01:23:50 - Tell us about the Whatever Route 01:28:25 - Discussion about planning and developing the Great Basin Route 01:37:20 - What’s your most controversial take on thru-hiking culture? 01:40:05 - What’s your median base weight? 01:45:30 - Discussion about down jackets and rain jackets 01:48:00 - Kumo Question: Do you think visors will ever come back around? 01:49:06 - Audience Q&A: Is there anything you want to hike in Asia? 01:50:00 - Audience Q&A: Bidet? 01:51:00 - Gossamer Gear Giveaway 1 01:55:30 - Audience Q&A: If you had to do one trail for the rest of your life, what would it be? 01:56:40 - Audience Q&A: Do you ever mentally struggle without seeing people around? 02:00:10 - Audience Q&A: How do you mentally balance creating a new trail with LNT? 02:03:08 - Audience Q&A: What trail made you fall in love with thru-hiking? Segments Chaunce’s Engagement Story QOTD: How much money would it take for you to live in a dumpster for a month? Triple Crown of sports movies Trail Confessions Two Star Trail Review Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Jason “Snail” Snailer barely know her, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
5/13/20242 hours, 42 minutes, 13 seconds
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Audrey "Glowstick" Payne on the Patagonia O Circuit, Tramily Breakups, and Balancing a Career with Hiking

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by thru-hiker and author, Audrey “Glowstick” Payne. In addition to a thru-hike of the Appalachian Trail, which is the subject of her memoir, Where the Rhododendrons Bloom, Audrey has also tackled the Colorado Trail, Foothills Trail, Trans Catalina Trail, John Muir Trail, Wonderland Trail, and the Patagonia O Circuit. Audrey gives us an overview of each of these treks, and how she might be the first person on earth to not enjoy the JMT, she details a not-so-cordial breakup with her trail family on the AT, and offers some solid tips for those who want to trek Patagonia’s O Circuit. We also get an overview of Audrey’s life prior to thru-hiking, including how her treks were inspired by a back injury and her career in PR, including some fun stories of working with celebrities.  We wrap the show with the news of a nasty outbreak of Norovirus on the AT this year, whether you should store your food underwater in the backcountry, the triple crown of movies we've cried to, and some one-star trail reviews. Backpacker’s Pantry: Use code “THETREK” for 20% off at backpackerspantry.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “SNUGGLEBUG” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com.  Shady Rays: Use code “TREK20” for $20 off polarized sunglasses at shadyrays.com. Appalachian Gear Company: Use code “BPRADIO20” for 20% off at appalachiangearcompany.com. LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. [divider] Interview with Audrey “Glowstick” Payne Audrey's Instagram Audrey's Website Audrey's Linktree Time stamps & Questions 00:05:14 - Reminders: Come say hi to us at both AT and PCT Trail Days, support us on Patreon to get bonus exclusive episodes, and check out our new hats! 00:06:47 - Introducing Audrey 00:09:20 - What were you doing in DC? 00:15:53 - How did you go from burnt out PR person to thru-hiking?  00:18:34 - How has your back held up? 00:20:15 - How old were you when you started on the AT? 00:22:45 - Walk us through how you rationalized leaving your career to hike the AT 00:26:57 - Are you grateful for your back issues getting you onto the trail? 00:29:28 - Did you have any midlife crises turning 40? 00:30:40 - How do you feel about your future hikes? 00:31:45 - What advice would you give to others approaching or in their 30s? 00:36:22 - Tell us about getting woken up by some ponies and bears 00:44:00 - Is there a story that resonates with readers from the book? 00:47:00 - Tell us about camping at the drive in 00:53:43 - Tell us about foraging on the AT 00:58:40 - What was your best trail magic experience? 01:03:14 - What are your thoughts about tramilies? 01:07:10 - How did the trail family breakup go? 01:09:54 - Can you give tips to people from a PR perspective on how to break up with your trail family? 01:15:52 - What happens if you encounter your broken up trail family again? 01:16:48 - What was it like post-breakup? 01:18:35 - Discussion about deciding to leave a job to hike the AT 01:20:18 - How can someone weigh the pros and cons of making a change to their life? 01:25:00 - Did you put the AT on your resume or discuss it during your interviews? 01:27:45 - What accounted for the four year gap between the AT and your next hike? 01:29:39 - Do your coworkers know you for your hiking? 01:33:02 - How did you decide to do the Colorado Trail? 01:34:17 - Did you start in the same place each time you’ve done the Four Pass Loop? 01:36:00 - Discussion about the logistics of the Four Pass Loop 01:41:55 - Tell us about your mountain lion encounter on the CT 01:50:00 - Discussion about off-roading 01:51:40 - How was your Foothills Trail hike? 01:57:10 - What insects did you see? 02:00:00 - How was your Trans Catalina Trail experience? 02:04:29 - How was the John Muir Trail? 02:07:50 - Discussion about the PCT southbound 02:12:20 - Tell us about the Patagonia O Circuit 02:14:23 - Is the O Circuit accessible for someone who isn’t an experienced backpacker? 02:15:58 - What kind of mileage and elevation gain does the trail entail? 02:17:30 - Discussion about costs, food, and gear 02:19:37 - Where do you fly into and how do you get to trail? 02:21:24 - How did you feel safety-wise? 02:22:55 - Did the structure of the hike take away from the wildness of the area? 02:25:00 - Did you feel fine traveling in that area without speaking Spanish? 02:26:50 - Discussion about the weather and clothing 02:30:29 - Kumo Question: What would your walkup song be if you were entering the Olympics for a random sport? 02:33:50 - Where can people follow you and get your book? Segments Trek Propaganda: Norovirus Alert: Appalachian Trail Hikers Urged to Stay Vigilant Amid Outbreak by Ariella Nardizzi QOTD: Have you ever heard of storing food underwater in the backcountry? Triple Crown of movies you’ve cried to One Star Trail Reviews Listener Voicemail Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Jason “Snail” Snailer barely know her, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
5/6/20243 hours, 17 minutes, 8 seconds
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Bethany "Fidgit" Hughes on Hiking, Biking, and Paddling 20,000+ Miles Across the Americas

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are once again joined by Bethany “Fidgit” Hughes. Fidget has hiked, paddled, and cycled more than 22,000 miles across 25 countries as one half of the Her Odyssey Expedition, a human-powered endeavor to connect the Americas following the longest chain of mountains in the world while telling the story of the land and its inhabitants, a journey she completed in August 2022.  Bethany was last on the podcast more than 5 years ago, when she had completed the South American leg of this wild expedition, she catches us up with her and her partner’s journey through Central and North America. We go deep on how she navigates the more unsafe sections of this journey, especially through Central America and Mexico and navigating the cartel, dodging crocodiles, canoeing the 3,000+ mile Arctic Drainage to reach the Arctic Ocean, and much, much more. This one is full of engaging stories, you will not be disappointed. We wrap the show with news of the first woman to complete the Barkley Marathons, a deadly mountain lion attack in California, and the triple crown of breakfasts. Gossamer Gear: Use code “SNUGGLEBUG” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com.  Jenna Davis: Email [email protected] or call 303-946-9476 to get a free consultation. Appalachian Gear Company: Use code “BPRADIO20” for 20% off at appalachiangearcompany.com. Shady Rays: Use code “TREK20” for $20 off polarized sunglasses at shadyrays.com. Outdoor Vitals: Get 17% off the Ventus plus a free backpacking pillow at outdoorvitals.com/thetrek. [divider] Interview with Bethany “Fidgit” Hughes Her Odyssey Website Her Odyssey Instagram Her Odyssey Youtube Backpacker Radio Episode 25: Bethany “Fidgit” Hughes on Trekking the Length of the Americas Time stamps & Questions 00:04:08 - Reminders: We will be at Trail Days! And…subscribe to us on Youtube! 00:05:07 - (Re)introducing Bethany 00:06:23 - Tell us about your recent 10 day silent retreat 00:16:25 - Did you have moments where you wanted to speak? 00:18:30 - Give us the summary of what part of the odyssey you’d completed the last time you were on the podcast 00:23:00 - What was the timeline of going across Central America? 00:25:58 - How would you describe your appreciation for bikepacking? 00:28:24 - Do you find that elitism is more prevalent in bikepacking than thru-hiking? 00:33:10 - If someone wanted to do a similar route, what advice would you offer? 00:37:26 - How many scenarios felt unsafe during the Central American portion? 00:42:08 - Did you find the State Department’s advisories helpful? 00:43:28 - Are there extra safety precautions for solo female travelers? 00:47:38 - What other safety methods do you recommend? 00:50:45 - What were some of the highlights of the Central American portion of your route? 00:53:33 - Is there a crocodile protocol? 00:57:50 - Where did you go after kayaking in Panama? 01:00:25 - How safe did you feel in Mexico? 01:05:50 - How did you learn these trends and strategies? 01:08:23 - Is it easy to spot a gangster? 01:10:44 - Tell us about jumping over to the Baja California Peninsula 01:13:20 - Did you have any weird encounters along the US-Mexico border? 01:20:00 - Discussion about the evolution of trail magic and entitlement 01:22:36 - How do you recommend people participate in a gift-giving culture? 01:28:07 - Tell us any standout stories from hiking the CDT 01:33:20 - Do you think Her Odyssey has made you more adaptable as a thru-hiker? 01:40:22 - Tell us about the Great Divide Trail 01:46:25 - What are Treaty Days? 01:48:38 - Discussion about climate change along the route 01:51:05 - Discussion about the paddling trip to the Arctic Ocean 01:59:00 - How did you develop paddling skills? 02:01:16 - Did your caloric needs increase on the paddling portion of the odyssey? 02:02:18 - Bethany’s hot take on umbrellas 02:05:40 - Where can people learn more about you? Segments Trek Propaganda 1 Killed, 1 Injured in California Mountain Lion Attack by Kelly Floro Jasmin Paris Becomes First Woman Ever To Complete Barkley Marathons by Kelly Floro QOTD: How excited are we to have Elise back on BPR? Triple Crown of breakfasts Listener Voicemail Plug Me Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Jason “Snail” Snailer barely know her, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
4/29/20242 hours, 58 minutes, 3 seconds
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The Real Hiking Viking on Why He Disappeared, His CDT Flip-Flop, and Reality TV in Central America

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, he’s back. That’s right, The Real Hiking Viking aka Jabba aka Tom aka Backpacker Radio’s honorary third co-host joins us once again to give us an update on his life. We get the full breakdown of where the heck he disappeared to last year, how his CDT hike went, another attempt at the Wind River High Route, a brief stint on a reality TV show in Central America, updates on his backpack, and much more. If ever a guest needed no introduction, it’s this one, so we’ll just say sit down, strap in, and get ready to get Jabba’d once again. We wrap the show with a question of the day so graphic that I will not be saying it in the intro (this episode is not for kids), the triple crown of funniest farts, and this is your last chance to snag tickets for our live podcast in Denver! Gossamer Gear: Use code “SNUGGLEBUG” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com.  Outdoor Vitals: Get 17% off the Ventus plus a free backpacking pillow at outdoorvitals.com/thetrek. Appalachian Gear Company: Use code “BPRADIO20” for 20% off at appalachiangearcompany.com. Shady Rays: Use code “TREK20” for $20 off polarized sunglasses at shadyrays.com. Danner: Use code “TREK15” for 15% off Mountain 600 boots at danner.com. [divider] Interview with Jabba Jabba's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:07:17 - Reminders: This is your last chance for tickets to our live podcast in Denver TOMORROW! 00:15:00 - Re-introducing Jabba and his desire for a sober year 00:22:25 - Are you goal setting for your birthday? 00:24:00 - What would allow you to one-up your 30s in your 40s? 00:26:22 - Is there a correlation between trying sobriety and preventing injuries? 00:29:23 - Why did you disappear? 00:33:00 - Discussion about Jabba’s flip flop on the CDT and getting off the trail 00:37:07 - Did any part of you think about getting back onto the CDT? 00:38:04 - How do you pull yourself out of a sedentary period? 00:40:55 - How do you spend six hours at the gym? 00:51:08 - What bikepacking trip are you going on? 00:54:14 - Tell us about starting on the CDT last year 00:58:35 - Do you have any mental spiraling about not being at the top of your historical physical fitness? 01:05:00 - Discussion about adding stakes to physical goals 01:12:08 - Discussion about the CDT 01:17:00 - Discussion about standards shifting over time 01:18:52 - How do you manage big adventures with maintaining a home life? 01:21:50 - Tell us about ending the CDT with the Wind River High Route 01:33:21 - What were some highlights of the northern stretch of the Wind River High Route? 01:36:45 - Should you have an ice axe and microspikes regardless of the time of year? 01:38:17 - What are the updates on the Zerk? 01:43:18 - Kumo Question: What is the smelliest thing you’ve ever encountered? Segments QOTD Triple Crown of funniest farts Trek Propaganda: Briana DeSanctis Becomes First Solo Woman To Complete 6,800-Mile American Discovery Trail by Ariella Nardizzi Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Jason “Snail” Snailer barely know her, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
4/22/20242 hours, 24 minutes, 25 seconds
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Henry "Moose Juice" Lewis on Shaking Down AT Hikers, the Teton Crest Trail, and Champagne Shoeys

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Henry “Moose Juice” Lewis. In addition to hikes of the AT, Teton Crest Trail, Colorado Trail, and the PCT, Moose Juice spent a few seasons shaking down starry eyed aspiring thru-hikers at Mountain Crossings. Henry gives us a rundown of these hikes, the funniest stories from these shakedowns, including happening onto vibratos and guns, tips on how to fix a leaking inflatable sleeping pad, doing champagne shoey, and his terrifying encounter with an angry bull moose, which helped him earn his trail.  We wrap the show with an argument for starting your AT hike on the Benton Mackaye Trail, why or why not a ghost and zombie can come from the same person, and the triple crown of non-obvious smartphone apps. Gossamer Gear: Use code “SNUGGLEBUG” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com.  Outdoor Vitals: Get 17% off the Ventus plus a free backpacking pillow at outdoorvitals.com/thetrek. LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. Shady Rays: Use code “TREK20” for $20 off polarized sunglasses at shadyrays.com. Danner: Use code “TREK15” for 15% off Mountain 600 boots at danner.com. [divider] Interview with Henry “Moose Juice” Lewis Henry's Trek Author Page Henry's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:03:45 - Reminders: Attend our live podcast in Denver next week! Apply to be a blogger for the Trek! 00:06:47 - Introducing Moose Juice 00:07:20 - Tell us about your champagne shoey 00:09:33 - Tell us the origin of your trail name 00:13:02 - Did you try to gain weight prior to the AT? 00:15:46 - We Love Love: Tell us about meeting your girlfriend on trail 00:19:50 - Why were you so oblivious to all the signs? 00:23:24 - Where did the AT and thru-hiking come onto your radar? 00:26:42 - Why did you choose to go southbound? 00:31:05 - How did starting with the Whites impact your mindset? 00:33:34 - Tell us your worst moment on the trail 00:36:40 - Discussion about packs 00:40:00 - Tell us about your experience working at Mountain Crossings 00:46:20 - Do they prepare you for working with tons of thru-hikers during the bubble? 00:47:48 - Are Mountain Crossings employees incentivized to sell gear? 00:50:00 - What can people do better while preparing to minimize needing to buy new gear during the hike? 00:52:30 - Is having a big personality a trait Mountain Crossings recruit for? 00:54:55 - Are there standout stories of people carrying outlandish things? 01:00:25 - Tell us about the Teton Crest Trail 01:08:09 - Tell us about the Colorado Trail 01:08:45 - When did you decide to hike the PCT? 01:12:06 - Did you hike all the way through the Sierra? 01:18:40 - Was she okay after going to the hospital? 01:19:55 - What is High Altitude Pulmonary Edema? 01:22:32 - Would you rather do the Sierra in high snow or low snow conditions? 01:24:54 - What were the highlights of the rest of the PCT? 01:26:24 - Tell us about your mountain lion encounter 01:31:12 - What are the steps for fixing an inflatable air pad hole? 01:34:00 - What’s the ideal start date for the AT? 01:37:25 - Kumo Question: Do you have any strange superstitions? Segments Impromptu Chaunce Poop Story Trek Propaganda: The AT Is Crowded. Why Not Start Your Thru-Hike on the Benton Mackaye Trail Instead? by Kelly Floro QOTD: Can a ghost and a zombie come from the same person? Triple Crown of non-obvious apps on your phone Patent Pending Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok. Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Jason “Snail” Snailer barely know her, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
4/15/20242 hours, 26 minutes, 2 seconds
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Eeland Stribling aka the "Black Steve Irwin" on Fly Fishing, Stand Up Comedy, and Wildlife Biology

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Eeland Stribling. Eeland, who’s known as the "Black Steve Iriwn" and “The Fliest Fisherman” is a wildlife biologist, educator, standup comedian, and the host of “Comedians on the Fly.” We dive deep into the world of standup comedy, including the various hazing routines, what it’s like to eat shit during an open mic, how things change as you climb the ranks, the process of crafting a joke, and more. Eeland also educates us with some fun facts about black bears and mountain lions and gives us a thorough primer on how to get started with fly fishing. This chat was both fun and informative, you will not be disappointed.  We wrap the show with five word sentences that are guaranteed to start a fight, the triple crown of shows to fall asleep to, and we have more details of our live podcast in Denver. The link to get tickets is in the show notes. Taking a pause here to give you time to snag yours.  Gossamer Gear: Use code “SNUGGLEBUG” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com.  Jenna Davis: Email [email protected] or call 303-946-9476 to get a free consultation. Shady Rays: Use code “TREKREACT” for 2 lenses free when you buy React frames at shadyrays.com. Danner: Use code “TREK15” for 15% off Mountain 600 boots at danner.com. [divider] Interview with Eeland Stribling Eeland's Instagram Eeland's Website Comedians on the Fly Brown Folks Fishing Time stamps & Questions 00:03:42 - Reminders: Get tickets to our live show in Denver on April 23! 00:04:44 - Introducing Eeland 00:05:37 - What got you into comedy? 00:09:15 - How would you describe your style of comedy? 00:14:18 - What is the easiest animal to make fun of? 00:15:45 - Tell us about your experience as a nuisance animal technician 00:18:58 - Tell us about tranquilizing and relocating bears 00:22:08 - What was the smartest bear encounter you had? 00:25:40 - How did your mountain lion work compare to that with bears? 00:28:00 - Is there an area that’s notorious for problematic bears? 00:33:31 - Are there notable comedians you’ve opened for? 00:38:05 - What is it like to hang out with comics in the green room? 00:43:20 - What’s the best advice other comedians have given you? 00:46:55 - Tell us about how you write jokes 00:48:55 - What’s it like when jokes bomb? 00:53:00 - How does a set hit with some crowds and not with others? 00:58:04 - Can you read us the most recent lines in your notebook? 01:02:17 - How frequently are you improvising on stage with new bits? 01:04:45 - When are your upcoming shows in April? 01:06:04 - Tell us about your show, Comedians on the Fly 01:09:20 -  How did you get into fly fishing? 01:12:37 - Tell us about your phone incident while saltwater fishing 01:15:55 - How do you know what flies are needed for certain areas? 01:18:00 - Are you reluctant to share your favorite tips or places? 01:23:56 - How much of fly fishing is skill vs. knowledge vs. luck? 01:27:30 - Discussion about paralells between comedy and fishing 01:31:40 - Can you talk to us about Brown Folks Fishing and why their work matters? 01:34:30 - Kumo Question: If you could live in any era of history, what would you pick? 01:37:18 - What do you recommend for someone who wants to get started in fly fishing? 01:46:06 - Do you exclusively do catch and release? 01:52:00 - Discussion about protecting released fish 01:54:00 - Where can people find you? Segments Trek Propaganda: 2024 Badger Sponsorship Winners by Kendra Slagter QOTD: In 5 words or less, start a fight without politics Listener Voicemail (leave us your own!) Triple Crown of shows to fall asleep to Plug Me: Glen Van Peski’s  Take Less. Do More: Surprising Life Lessons in Generosity, Gratitude and Curiosity from an Ultralight Backpacker Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Jason “Snail” Snailer barely know her, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
4/8/20242 hours, 13 minutes, 39 seconds
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How to Hike the Colorado Trail with David Fanning: Seasons, Trail Towns, and Extra Experiences

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are chatting all things Colorado Trail. Rachel, who filled in for Zach, and Chaunce are joined by David Fanning, who has seven complete hikes of the Colorado Trail, which is tied for the record we think. Topics covered today include the pros and cons of hiking the CT both east and westbound, the best weather windows, transportation to the trail, recommended gear, information about the campsites, water availability, the best towns, resupply strategy, preparation strategies, how to navigate the trail, wildlife, comparing the Collegiate East and West, and more. We wrap the show with the official details of our upcoming LIVE podcast in Denver, how to cook corn, and the triple crown of bread. Gossamer Gear: Use code “DINGLEBERRY” for 20% off packs at gossamergear.com.  Danner: Use code “TREK15” for 15% off Mountain 600 boots at danner.com. LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. Shady Rays: Use code “TREK20” for $20 off polarized sunglasses at shadyrays.com. [divider] Panel with David Fanning David's Website Time stamps & Questions 00:06:14 - Reminders: Come attend BPR live in Denver on April 23! Apply to be a Trek blogger or Ambassador and suggest a potential Trail Days guest for BPR! 00:07:37 - Introducing the Colorado Trail panel 00:08:54 - Introducing David Fanning 00:12:04 - How did you go from the PCT to CT? 00:14:20 - When was the first year you hiked the Colorado Trail? 00:15:52 - Do you think having that conversation with the doctor turned out to be a blessing? 00:20:25 - Colorado Trail basics 00:22:40 - Hiking season and weather 00:30:10 - What crazy weather have you seen across 7 hikes? 00:31:45 - Discussion about keeping gear dry and rain gear 00:36:42 - What experience have you had with snow on the trail? 00:39:14 - Have you had any sketchy experiences with lightning? (NOLS lightning resources) 00:41:56 - Discussion about dead tree fall 00:43:15 - Hiking NOBO or SOBO 00:49:08 - Trail termini 00:51:00 - Discussion about taking the train from Grand Junction to Denver 00:52:12 - Resupplies and towns 00:53:18 - Discussion about hitching 00:59:50 - Trail towns: Bailey, Conifer, Jefferson, and Fairplay (See The Colorado Trail Guide: Resupply and Towns on the Colorado Trail) 01:04:04 - Trail towns: Breckenridge, Frisco, and Copper 01:05:45 - Sending resupply boxes 01:06:53 - Trail towns: Leadville 01:09:54 - Trail towns: Twin Lakes 01:10:35 - Collegiate East vs West 01:17:05 - Trail towns: Buena Vista and Salida 01:19:05 - The Cochetopa section 01:24:10 - Trail towns: Gunnison, Lake City 01:31:56 - Discussion about sheepdogs 01:34:06 - Trail towns: Silverton and the scenic train 01:38:40 - Discussion about the section between Lake City and Silverton 01:40:20 - Discussion about wildlife encounters 01:48:00 - Food storage on the CT 01:50:04 - Shelter considerations on the CT 01:54:15 - Discussion about campsites and Chaunce’s scary story 01:58:45 - Navigation on the CT 02:00:48 - Dogs and bikes on the CT (Backpacker Radio #214 | Tisha McCombs, Executive Director at the Colorado Trail Foundation) 02:03:30 - What has changed the most over your many hikes? 02:07:00 - Section hiking versus thru-hiking 02:14:02 - What’s your elevator pitch for the Colorado Trail? 02:17:04 - Physical preparation on the CT 02:21:25 - Discussion about food and appetite 02:21:55 - Tell us about Voices of the Colorado Trail Segments Trek Propaganda Tisha McCombs is Leaving the Colorado Trail Foundation Best Trekking Poles for Backpacking in 2024 by Katie Kommer QOTD: How do you cook corn? Triple Crown of bread Plug Me: Old Man Murph's Coffee Roasters Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Jason “Snail” Snailer barely know her, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
4/1/20242 hours, 46 minutes, 9 seconds
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Girl Stuff 3.0: Hiking as a New Mom, Pink Blazing, and Fear Mongering

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are bringing you another edition of Girl's Stuff! Today, Chaunce along with guest panelists, Rachael "Rabbit" Delano and Marie "Basecamp" Black answer your burning questions related to female-specific topics in the backcountry. Topics including the feasibility of bringing a vibrator, how to court a guy during a thru-hike (and advice for guys on how to do the courting), female urination devices, the Kula Cloth, what body parts get the razor treatment and which parts are neglected, managing a period on trail and birth control options, how to deal with fear and fear mongering, trail family dynamics, and much much more. We wrap the show with the top stoves, filters, and rain gear from the AT, which is more exciting between new school supplies and new backpacking gear, the triple crown of nicknames that get your goat, and more. Mountainsmith: Use code “TREKZERK24” for 40% off at mountainsmith.com. Danner: Use code “TREK15” for 15% off Mountain 600 boots at danner.com. Ka’Chava: Get 10% off at kachava.com/backpacker. Shady Rays: Use code “TREK20” for $20 off polarized sunglasses at shadyrays.com. [divider] Panel with Rachel “Rabbit” Delano and Marie “Basecamp” Black Rabbit's Instagram Backpacker Radio 113 | Rachael “Rabbit” Delano Basecamp's Instagram Wes and Marie Black on Sex During a Thru-Hike, Hiking the PCT as a Married Couple, and Arguing on Trail (BPR #240) Time stamps & Questions 00:04:53 - Reminders: Apply to blog for the Trek or become a Trek Ambassador! 00:06:32 - Introducing Rachel 00:08:28 - Introducing Basecamp 00:13:27 - Should I bring my travel size vibrator? 00:21:30 - Discussion about pink blazing 00:29:50 - Is it a turnoff to be in a situation where you have to make the first move? 00:33:00 - Discussion about sharing a hotel bed 00:38:30 - What are your tells if you’re interested in someone on trail? 00:44:00 - Which is the better trail for hooking up? 00:48:15 - Do micro clues still apply on trail? 00:51:54 - What’s your strategy for managing periods on trail? 00:59:00 - Discussion about iron supplements 01:00:50 - How do you deal with feeling weak while on your period? 01:03:07 - Chaunce’s strategy 01:07:25 - Chaunce’s Foothills Trail story 01:20:20 - Anything else period related? 01:23:30 - Discussion about shaving 01:33:15 - Have you ever tried or used a pee funnel? 01:44:00 - How do you prevent UTIs on trail if you’re prone to them? 01:50:00 - Do you use Kula Cloths? 01:56:35 - Discussion about fear mongering 02:11:00 - Discussion about mansplaining 02:16:23 - How can girls be fearless on trail? 02:25:20 - Have your fears changed or lessened since you first started thru-hiking? 02:29:00 - How do you manage backpacking and hiking as a mom? 02:33:13 - How did you come to terms with the fact that your backpacking will forever be different? 02:35:00 - Are there ways to make the transition to motherhood smoother as a hiker? 02:37:57 - Do you find that people interact with you differently on trail? 02:39:00 - Would you advise couples Triple Crown before kids if that’s their goal? 02:41:38 - Discussion about girl relationships on trail 02:53:45 - What are the best bras for long hikes? 03:04:20 - Have you ever tasted your own milk? Segments Trek Propaganda: Top Stoves, Filters, Rain Gear, and More on the Appalachian Trail: 2023 Thru-Hiker Survey by Kate Richard QOTD: What is better: brand new backpacking gear or new school supplies? Triple Crown of names you don’t like being called Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Hailey Buckingham , Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Jason “Snail” Snailer barely know her, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
3/25/20243 hours, 45 minutes, 35 seconds
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Maggie "Honey Badger" Slepian on Suffering, Stubbornness, and Misogyny on Trail

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Maggie Slepian aka Honey Badger. Maggie is the former Managing Editor at The Trek and their first full-time employee, a thru-hiker, and a prolific freelance writer and editor. We learn all about Maggie’s treks, including her hikes of the AT, Ouachita Trail, Colorado Trail, some recent postcard hikes in Madeira and Malta, and Maggie shares what it was like to have her first “failed” thru-hike attempt on the Arizona Trail. We also chat about nude modeling, what it’s like to have an article to mega-viral, and how misogyny in the backcountry has improved since her first thru-hike. We wrap the show with some Hitchhiking Advice for Women, we learn how common or uncommon it is to be able to unfocus your eyesight on command, and the triple crown of one-hit wonder songs featuring Chaunce's boyfriend Garrett.  Mountainsmith: Use code “TREKZERK24” for 40% off at mountainsmith.com. Danner: Use code “TREK15” for 15% off Mountain 600 boots at danner.com. LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. Appalachian Gear Company: Use code “BPRADIO20” for 20% off at appalachiangearcompany.com. Ka’Chava: Get 10% off at kachava.com/backpacker. [divider] Interview with Maggie “Honey Badger” Slepian Instagram  Website Substack Backpacking Routes  Time stamps & Questions 00:05:05 - Reminders: Apply to blog for the Trek or become a Trek Ambassador and use code “gingerstuff” for an exclusive discount at the Trek’s store! 00:06:35 - Introducing Maggie 00:09:12 - How did you get involved with the Trek? 00:14:06 - Tell us about nude modeling 00:19:55 - How did the AT fall on your map? 00:21:25 - What gear did you bring on the AT for your first hike? 00:24:08 - Tell us about hiking the trail with a partner and the way people perceived you 00:28:45 - What were your top honey badger moments? 00:30:49 - How have you seen misogyny in the backcountry change over time? 00:37:08 - Are you more or less spicy in business or personally? 00:40:00 - Tell us about hiking the Ouachita Trail in 2020 00:46:19 - What considerations did you make when picking which direction to hike? 00:48:50 - What type of preparation did you do for the Ouachita Trail? 00:52:29 - Tell us the highlights of the Ouachita Trail 00:54:14 - Discussion of the Ouachita Trail logistics and resupplies 00:56:30 - Story about meeting Warren Doyle 00:58:27 - What’s the best season for this trail? 00:59:11 - What portions of the Oregon Coast Trail have you done? 01:01:01 - Any highlights from the Colorado Trail? 01:02:27 - Tell us about the Arizona Trail 01:06:39 - Discussion about sun poisoning 01:12:06 - Do you feel liberated because you quit the Arizona Trail? 01:17:27 - Tell us about Madeira 01:23:14 - How many of the hikes are approachable for someone with a fear of exposure? 01:24:18 - What other European treks did you do? 01:27:27 - Tell us about your most viral article 01:32:47 - What other articles of yours have gone viral? 01:37:00 - Discussion about being recognized in the real world 01:41:20 - How do you handle your privacy? 01:43:50 - What’s your experience with hunting? Segments Trek Propaganda: After 9,500 Miles on Trail, Here’s My Top Hitchhiking Advice for Women by Peg Leg QOTD: Can you unfocus your eyesight on command? Triple Crown of one hit wonder songs Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Hailey Buckingham , Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Jason “Snail” Snailer barely know her, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
3/18/20242 hours, 7 minutes, 51 seconds
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Kelly "Ibex" Floro on the Pyrenean Haute Route, Budgeting for a Thru-Hike, and Being the Trek's Managing Editor

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by The Trek’s Managing Editor, Kelly “Ibex” Floro. We learn all about what it’s like to have Zach as a boss, Kelly’s top tips for how to afford a thru-hike, and she shares insights from her own thru-hiking adventures including the AT, Wind River High Route, and we dive especially deep into Kelly’s most recent thru-hike of the Pyrenean Haute Route through the Pyrenees, straddling the border between Spain and France. Kelly gives us an in-depth run-through of this epic route, including when to hike, which direction, navigation challenges, resupply strategy, the various geographic highlights, the culture surrounding the trail, and much more. We wrap the show with useful smartphone apps for your next thru-hike, how Zach got concussed recording a podcast, and the triple crown of short off-season thru-hikes. Mountainsmith: Use code “TREKZERK24” for 40% off at mountainsmith.com. Ka’Chava: Get 10% off at kachava.com/backpacker. Appalachian Gear Company: Use code “BPRADIO20” for 20% off at appalachiangearcompany.com. [divider] Interview with Kelly Floro Kelly's Trek bio Time stamps & Questions 00:05:15 - Reminders: Get your tickets for a live BPR podcast in Denver on April 23, support us on Patreon, and suggest a potential guest who will be at Trail Days this year! 00:09:15 - Introducing Kelly 00:12:27 - How do you like working for Zach? 00:17:55 - How did you start thru-hiking? 00:19:52 - At what point did you consider yourself a good writer? 00:20:30 - Do you have tips for someone who wants to blog their hike? 00:25:45 - Was the AT your first backpacking trip? 00:27:12 - What did you learn on that hike? 00:29:45 - What were you thinking about career wise when you hiked the AT? 00:32:40 - When did you realize you wanted to do more thru-hikes? 00:33:15 - What surprised you despite all the preparation you did? 00:36:20 - Tell us about dealing with poison ivy on the AT 00:41:27 - Discussion about flip flopping the AT 00:45:24 - Do you have tips for someone considering a flip flop hike on the AT? 00:51:00 - Would you recommend flip flopping the AT? 00:55:20 - Tell us about hiking the Colorado Trail 00:57:22 - Tell us about the Wind River High Route 00:59:23 - What are the differences between the two route options? 01:02:55 - What’s the most challenging part of the Adventure Alan route? 01:05:45 - What tips would you give to someone who wants to try backcountry navigation? 01:09:20 - What navigational resources were available for the route? 01:11:14 - How much did you enjoy this style of hiking? 01:12:38 - Any non obvious advice for the Wind River High Route? 01:15:00 - Tell us about the Pyrenean Haute Route 01:20:00 - Discussion about the refuges on the HRP 01:21:48 - How and why did you choose this route? 01:24:55 - Which direction do you hike? 01:27:11 - What were the standout towns? 01:32:09 - How crowded was the trail? 01:35:14 - What do the resupplies look like? 01:40:40 - Tell us about the wine you had along the HRP 01:41:42 - Are there any ‘must zero’ places? 01:43:27 - Can you describe the Pyrenean mountains? 01:45:53 - Tell us the story about throwing your phone off a cliff 01:48:22 - How did you manage the rest of your gear for your Europe trip? 01:50:20 - Tell us about Bulgaria 01:53:05 - Have you heard of the Peaks of the Balkans trail? 01:54:49 - What do you have for health insurance in Europe? 01:56:18 - What have you learned while traveling in Europe? 01:57:25 - What are your current big 5 gear items? 01:59:20 - What gear has surprised you recently? 02:00:20 - What goes into a standout gear review? 02:01:40 - What stands out to you about thru-hiking affordably? 02:04:27 - What are some of your favorite hidden gems in Olympic National Park? Segments Trek Propaganda: 13 Useful Smartphone Apps for Your Next Thru-Hike by Danielle Krolewicz QOTD: What’s the longest: a microwave minute, a hangover minute, or a treadmill minute? Stupid Thing of the Week Triple Crown of short thru-hikes you can do in the offseason Plug Me: Brew Davis's Website Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Jason “Snail” Snailer barely know her, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
3/11/20242 hours, 46 minutes, 25 seconds
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Chaunce Hiked the Foothills Trail! Terrain, Difficulty, Hiking with a Dog, and Gear

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, Chaunce hiked the Foothills Trail! With Chaunce being just a few days removed from this 76-mile gem of a hike, the trail is fresh on her mind, and she provides us a detailed rundown of her experience and standout stories, the trail's many highlights, how it was doing this trek with Harper, a full overview of her gear, an encounter with a zombie ghost, and all the nitty gritty logistics one could dream of having heading into this waterfally, bridgey hike in the Carolinas. We wrap the show with what our old person traits are, a triple crown of non-toilet paper items to wipe your bung with on trail, 36 east coast trails you can hike, and some details about an upcoming live podcast. Ka’Chava: Get 10% off at kachava.com/backpacker. Jenna Davis: Email [email protected] or call 303-946-9476 to get a free consultation. LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. Appalachian Gear Company: Use code “BPRADIO20” for 20% off at appalachiangearcompany.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “DINGLEBERRY” for 20% off packs at gossamergear.com.  [divider] Interview with Chaunce! Time stamps & Questions 00:04:05 - Reminders: Mark your calendars for a BPR live podcast in Denver on April 23, leave a 5 star review on Apple and email us to get a BPR sticker, and recommend a guest who will be at Trail Days! 00:08:50 - Why did Chaunce hike the Foothills Trail? 00:12:00 - How was the weather? 00:14:55 - What’s the background of the Foothills Trail? 00:16:48 - How did you get to the trail, logistically? 00:19:35 - Discussion about the costs of the trail 00:25:00 - Discussion about getting to the trail 00:27:33 - Which direction did you hike? 00:32:42 - What was the terrain like? 00:34:20 - Can you camp wherever? 00:35:30 - Discussion about expectations versus reality for the hiking difficulty 00:37:22 - Discussion about day 2 of hiking 00:38:18 - Any notable highlights from the first couple days of trail? 00:41:00 - Discussion about wildlife 00:46:45 - Discussion about the bridges and stairs 00:51:23 - Discussion about Chaunce’s massage 00:53:15 - Why didn’t you bring a rain jacket? 00:54:30 - Tell us about hiking with Harper 00:57:10 - How crowded was the trail? 01:02:08 - What was the resupply situation like? 01:05:05 - Who would you recommend the Foothills Trail to? 01:07:38 - Discussion about the road walks 01:08:34 - Discussion about waterfalls 01:11:30 - Discussion about how challenging the hike was 01:14:50 - Any good poop stories? 01:15:50 - What were your favorite waterfalls and bridges? 01:16:40 - Would you describe the Foothills Trail as flat? 01:17:20 - Discussion about the gear Chaunce carried 01:33:18 - Discussion about Harper’s gear Segments Trek Propaganda: 36 East Coast Trails That Aren’t the Appalachian Trail by Diane Duffard QOTD: What’s your old person trait? Stupid Thing of the Week Triple Crown of items to wipe your bung with Plug Me Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Jason “Snail” Snailer barely know her, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Hailey Buckingham, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
3/4/20242 hours, 1 minute, 39 seconds
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Q&A #2: Backpacking with a Gun, Crush It Syndrome, Overrated Gear, Emotionally Draining Trail Experiences, and More

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are bringing back another edition of Q&A. Today we’re joined by our pal and chronic thru-hiker and adventurer, Steven “Twinkle” Shattuck to answer your burning trail-related questions. Today’s episode covers a wide range of topics, including the feasibility and necessity of carrying a gun while backpacking, the dangers of “crush it syndrome” in light of Christopher Roma’s recent tragic passing, Twinkle's top trails from around the world, the most overrated piece of gear, how we prevent blisters, and much more. Simply put, if you like your Qs being A’d, you have stumbled upon the right episode. We wrap the show with the top sleeping bags, quilts, and pads from the AT last year, the top home theft suggestions to mildly inconvenience your victim, and the triple crown of foods that are way better or worse when homemade. Jenna Davis: Email [email protected] or call 303-946-9476 to get a free consultation. Gossamer Gear: Use code “DINGLEBERRY” for 20% off packs at gossamergear.com.  Ka’Chava: Get 10% off at kachava.com/backpacker. [divider] Panel with Steven “Twinkle” Shattuck Twinkle's Instagram Backpacker Radio Episode #6: Steven “Twinkle” Shattuck on Dirt-Bagging for a Year, The Best Headlamps for Thru-Hiking, and Curing Anxiety on Trail Backpacker Radio 61 | Grace and Steven “Twinkle” Shattuck on Their 15 Month Dirtbagging Adventure Time stamps & Questions 00:02:50 - Bid on our Tyvek wall until February 29, apply to be a blogger, and support us on Patreon! 00:05:22 - Introducing Twinkle 00:08:30 - Crush It Syndrome - check out Skurka’s article, Christopher Roma: Learning to turn back 00:28:17 - Backpacking with a gun 00:53:45 - Twinkle’s top 3 trail recommendations in the world 00:57:11 - Twinkle’s favorite international hikes 01:00:40 - What’s the most overrated piece of gear? 01:14:53 - How do you stay safe from ticks while outside? How much do you worry about them? (Check out episode 200 to learn more about Lyme disease) 01:22:50 - If you had to do a medium length trail (100-500 miles) this year, which one would it be? (Check out Eloise Robbin’s article, The Best Time of Year to Hike These 23 Popular Long Trails and Swami’s website, The Hiking Life) 01:29:51 - As a future dad, how do you instill both an interest and a respect for nature in young kids? (Check out episode 152 to hear Nancy East discuss this topic) 01:37:48 - What is your daily routine for foot care to prevent blisters while doing big miles? 01:42:30 - Can you tell us about your most emotionally draining experience on trail? 01:52:11 - What brand of instant coffee will help you poop the best? 01:53:58 - How does someone get into canyoneering? Where do you begin? 01:55:56 - What is the best 311 song or album? Segments Trek Propaganda: The Top Sleeping Bags, Quilts, and Pads on the Appalachian Trail: 2023 Thru-Hiker Survey by Kate Richard  QOTD: You’re a burglar but you can only steal things that mildly inconvenience your victims. What are you taking? Triple Crown of foods that are way better or worse when homemade Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Jason “Snail” Snailer, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Hailey Buckingham, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
2/26/20242 hours, 27 minutes, 33 seconds
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Kevin "The Animal" Koski on the 2,300-Mile Four Corners Loop

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek we are joined by Kevin Koski, known on trail as “The Animal.” Kevin is the man behind the Four Corners Loop, a new 2,300 mile route circling the four corners region across Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico. We learn all about this route and Kevin’s hike, including how he mapped it, his favorite stretches of trail, his favorite towns- which he saw as a standout feature of the trek, some very entertaining stories, and Kevin’s vision for this one day becoming a national scenic trail. Kevin is an engaging storyteller, you think you’ll really enjoy this one. We wrap the show by teasing some news about a live podcast we’ll be putting on in Denver this spring, words we think would make pretty baby names if not for the meaning already attached to it, the triple crown of tips to improve sleep on trail, and a new cinnamon court on whether a listeners method of cleaning their hands with spitwater is sanitary. Ka’Chava: Get 10% off at kachava.com/backpacker. LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. Gossamer Gear: Use code “DINGLEBERRY” for 20% off packs at gossamergear.com.  [divider] Interview with Kevin “the Animal” Koski Four Corners Loop Association Website Four Corners Loop Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:17 - Reminders: Live podcast in Denver is in the works, the hair wall launches TODAY, get exclusive content on Patreon, and sign up for BPR’s email list to get a free sticker! 00:08:04 - Introducing Kevin 00:10:27 - What’s your background in the outdoors? 00:14:26 - Tell us about your CDT hike in 2004 00:17:06 - What’s the story behind your trail name? 00:18:51 - What’s the most luxurious thing in your pack? 00:20:04 - What was the CDT like in 2004? 00:23:20 - What accounted for the big gap between the CDT and PCT? 00:26:08 - Tell us what made the PCT a “walking party”? 00:29:25 - How did you transition from the main trails to doing more isolated ones? 00:32:42 - How did you plan the specific Four Corners Loop route? 00:37:40 - Did you plan it to be a trail others could replicate? 00:39:30 - Tell us more details about the route 00:44:40 - Discussion about the Arizona portion of the route 00:46:00 - Discussion about the Utah portion of the route 00:48:30 - Discussion about the trail magic along the route 00:51:18 - What was the typical length of your water carries? 00:54:00 - Continuation of the Utah portion of the route 00:58:58 - Discussion about resupplies and pacing along the route 01:02:20 - Discussion about hiking into Colorado 01:05:10 - Story about almost falling off a cliff and rerouting the trail 01:06:30 - Discussion about the Colorado portion of the route 01:10:50 - Discussion about hiking from Salida to New Mexico 01:14:04 - How much of the trail was road walking? 01:14:30 - Discussion about the New Mexico portion of the route 01:17:33 - What was your typical water source in the dry sections? 01:20:17 - What’s the optimal weather window for this trail? 01:22:15 - Discussion about cell service along the route 01:23:20 - What was your favorite trail town in each state? 01:24:16 - Is the route well outlined enough for someone else to follow? 01:25:44 - What are some of your standout stories from hiking? 01:29:03 - What one week stretch of this trail would you relive or eliminate? 01:32:10 - Do you have tips for someone getting into route finding? 01:33:30 - How much of this route is on no trail at all? 01:34:24 - Tell us your best poop story 01:35:41 - Where can people go to keep up with you? Segments Trek Propaganda: Top Tents and Shelters on the Appalachian Trail: 2023 Thru-Hiker Survey by Kate Richard QOTD: Which word do you think would make a pretty baby name if it didn’t mean what it meant? Triple Crown of things that improve your sleep on trail Cinnamon Court 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Jason “Snail” Snailer, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Hailey Buckingham, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
2/19/20242 hours, 14 minutes, 29 seconds
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Wes and Marie Black on Sex During a Thru-Hike, Hiking the PCT as a Married Couple, and Arguing on Trail

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are once again loving love. That's right, it's the 4th edition of our Valentine's Day-themed show. Today we catch up with Wesley and Marie Black, known on trail as Yeti Legs and Basecamp. Less than two years after meeting, they were not only married but together taking on a thru-hike of the PCT. Wesley and Marie pull no punches in sharing the nitty-gritty of making a relationship work during a thru-hike and are especially candid about their on-trail sex life including their hygiene practices, foreplay, what they use for lubrication, best positions in a tent, and more. This one is entertaining, enlightening, and slightly erotic. Strap in. We wrap the show with what we would do if we could be our significant other for a day, the triple crown of petty fights we have with our partners, Marie shares a plastic melting shit story, and Chaunce has a very dumb stupid thing of the week. Ka’Chava: Get 10% off at kachava.com/backpacker. Gossamer Gear: Use code “DINGLEBERRY” for 20% off packs at gossamergear.com.  [divider] Interview with Wes & Marie Wes & Marie's Instagram Wes & Marie's Linktree Time stamps & Questions 00:04:55 - Reminders: Last call to apply for the BPR internship, Tyvek wall goes on sale next week, and the Badger Sponsorship launched today! 00:09:35 - Introducing Wes & Marie 00:11:40 - Story of how Wes & Marie met 00:14:30 - When did you get engaged? 00:19:42 - Did you have any concerns about getting engaged so quickly? 00:24:00 - Did you have any doubts in the first six months? 00:26:01 - Do you have baby fever? 00:28:53 - What led to deciding to thru-hike together? 00:32:05 - What outdoor experience did you have before meeting each other? 00:35:30 - How did you transition from running to hiking? 00:38:16 - When did you realize you had a lot of heavy gear? 00:40:30 - What was it like hiking in a high snow year? 00:43:28 - How did your mileage change between the desert and the Sierras? 00:44:50 - What did you learn about each other on the PCT you didn’t know before? 00:50:40 - How did you handle the time stress? 00:56:20 - Tell us about your career in film 01:01:25 - What were your best fights on trail? 01:13:20 - What other tips do you have for couples on trail? 01:15:12 - What’s your sex life like on trail? 01:18:32 - What are your tips for having great sex on trail? 01:24:27 - Did you bring any toys? 01:26:00 - Why didn’t you have sex during the day? 01:27:23 - Did you take any of your PCT lessons into the Tour du Mont Blanc or the CT? 01:29:24 - Raise the shoe game! 01:47:44 - Tell us about the Colorado Trail hike 01:52:50 - Fuck Marry Kill: PCT, TMB, CT 01:54:40 - Will you share one of your favorite hidden gem hikes? 01:56:11 - Tell us about your podcast 01:58:35 - Tell us about how you met Dirt Diva Segments Trek Propaganda: The Ultimate Guide to Thru-Hiking Electronics by Alex “GPS” Brown QOTD: If you could wake up and be your significant other for a day, what would you do that day? Stupid Thing of the Week Triple Crown of petty fights you have with your partner Gross or Not Gross Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Jason “Snail” Snailer, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Hailey Buckingham, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
2/12/20243 hours, 17 minutes, 11 seconds
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Bailey "PseudoSloth" Bremner on the Columbine Route, Creating Her Own Routes, and Backpacking with Dogs

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Bailey “PseudoSloth” Bremner. In addition to hikes of the CDT, Great Divide Trail, Pinhoti, and Benton Mackaye, we do a deep dive on a pair of custom routes that Bailey mapped out herself. The Columbine Route, which crosses the full length of Colorado, and another custom route extending all the way from Canada to Mexico, both of which she completed with her two dogs by her side. We learn all about the specifics of these routes, the tools and strategies she used to design them, the various geographical high and lowlights, her favorite stories from these hikes, and how she manages this unconventional style of trekking alongside her pair of pups. We wrap the show with a follow-up on the technical glitches iPhone users experienced with FarOut's app this year, the number of owls we'd have to see in a day before we knew something was wrong, and the triple crown of words we will never be able to spell correctly. Ka’Chava: Get 10% off at kachava.com/backpacker. Gossamer Gear: Use code “DINGLEBERRY” for 20% off packs at gossamergear.com.  LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. [divider] Interview with Bailey “PseudoSloth” Bremner Bailey's Instagram Bailey's Youtube Time stamps & Questions 00:03:50 - Reminders: Apply to be a BPR intern or a Trek blogger! 00:06:40 - Introducing Bailey 00:09:20 - What’s your background? 00:10:42 - Tell us about your dogs! 00:12:11 - How important is cleaning their teeth? 00:13:07 - How do you accommodate your hiking for your smaller dog? 00:15:05 - What does your daily mileage look like? 00:17:40 - What do you do for their feet during your hikes? 00:19:14 - What changes did you make to your dogs’ gear and food? 00:23:05 - How much weight are you typically carrying? 00:25:43 - What type of treats and toys do you bring for the dogs? 00:28:00 - Tell us your trail resume 00:29:22 - How did you decide to hike the Great Divide Trail after the Colorado Trail? 00:31:27 - Can you give us a brief overview of the Great Divide Trail? 00:33:18 - Did you have any points where you felt in over your head? 00:36:15 - What do you like about less conventional hikes? 00:39:04 - What advice does an orienteering class include? 00:41:52 - Discussion about creating routes using Gaia 00:42:52 - Tell us about hiking your custom 750-mile loop 00:48:15 - How did you come up with the Columbine Route’s name? 00:49:08 - What takeaways from your first custom route did you bring to the Columbine Route? 00:50:20 - How do your dogs handle blowdowns? 00:51:16 - Give us an overview of the Columbine Route 00:57:30 - How much of the trail is trail, roads, or bushwacking? 01:00:41 - Have you thought about tweaking the route at all? 01:02:24 - Do the dogs get any special town treats? 01:03:08 - Any parting thoughts about the Columbine Route and general route finding? 01:05:00 - What section of the Columbine Route would you want to relive? 01:08:12 - Discussion about pace and timing 01:11:54 - Tell us about the inspiration and planning for your custom Mexico to Canada route 01:17:22 - What percent of the route was on road? 01:19:25 - Do you have any scary road stories? 01:20:35 - Did you do the Arizona Trail besides the Grand Canyon section? 01:23:39 - Do you have any good wildlife or spooky stories? 01:27:35 - Tell us the bat story! 01:33:04 - Any other standout stories? Segments Trek Propaganda How FarOut’s 2023 Glitches Highlight the Drawbacks of Backcountry Tech Reliance by Maggie Slepian The Top Footwear on the Appalachian Trail: 2023 Thru-Hiker Survey by Kate Richard QOTD: How many owls would you have to see in a singular day before you knew something was wrong? Triple Crown of words you will never be able to spell correctly Mail Bag 5 Star [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Jason “Snail” Snailer barely know her, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Hailey Buckingham, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S
2/5/20241 hour, 59 minutes, 46 seconds
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David "Moondog" Roop on Thru-Skating the Florida Trail and Natchez Trace Trail (#238)

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by David “Moondog” Roop. Moondog, alongside his buddy, has done the Natchez Trace Trail, Florida Trail, and 500 miles through New Mexico, not on foot, but instead on skateboard which he refers to as a thru-skate. We learn all about what goes into such a unique adventure, including how his gear differs relative to traditional backpacking, what terrain is skateboardable and what isn’t, how sore his push muscles get over the course of a full day of skateboarding, and more. We wrap the show with the first edition of the 2023 AT thru-hiker survey results, the weirdest things we’ve brought home after a night out, and our triple crown of campaign promises. Sawyer Products: Check out Sawyer’s Permethrin Pump at REI. Gossamer Gear: Use code “DINGLEBERRY” for 20% off backpacks at gossamergear.com. Ka’Chava: Get 10% off at kachava.com/backpacker. [divider] Interview with David “Moondog” Roop Moondog's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:03:01 - Reminders: Subscribe to the Trek’s newsletter to hear when the Tyvek wall is available, subscribe to us on YouTube, and apply to be a 2024 blogger! 00:05:35 - Introducing Moondog 00:06:00 - Tell us about Madrid, NM 00:09:21 - How did you get your trail name? 00:11:18 - How does thru-skating work? 00:16:00 - How many miles can you normally skate in a day? 00:16:44 - What was your backpacking experience prior to starting skateboarding? 00:17:50 - What muscles get sore after a full day of skateboarding? 00:19:06 - Do you factor in the weight of the board? 00:21:00 - How hard was the learning curve? 00:22:06 - How much of the trail do you need to skate to consider it a thru-skate? 00:24:38 - Tell us some wipeout stories 00:27:08 - Do wipeouts make you consider more what you wear? 00:29:20 - Compare and contrast the Florida Trail and the Natchez Trace 00:32:00 - Discussion about skating effort and strategy 00:34:03 - How was your experience doing a full trail end to end? 00:36:00 - Discussion about wildlife on the Florida Trail 00:37:05 - Do you ever have gear malfunctions with the skateboard? 00:38:23 - Discussion about ultra skating 00:40:10 - Are there any interesting things skaters do that hikers don’t? 00:42:13 - Tell us about your New Mexico thru-skate 00:45:12 - What portion was hiking versus skating? 00:46:50 - What’s a standout moment you’ve had while thru-skating? 00:49:30 - How did you land on the Natchez Trace Trail? 00:51:12 - What’s the best time of year to do it? 00:52:22 - Have you considered using a mountain board to do something more rugged? 00:53:20 - How do you protect your board? 00:55:00 - How would you design your dream board? 00:55:45 - What did you do in Puerto Rico? 00:57:26 - What thru-skates are on your bucket list? Segments Trek Propaganda: The 2023 Appalachian Trail Thru-Hiker Survey: General Information Part 1 by Kate Richard QOTD: What’s the weirdest thing you’ve brought home on a night out? Triple Crown of our presidential campaign promises Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Jason “Snail” Snailer, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Hailey Buckingham, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
1/29/20241 hour, 48 minutes, 48 seconds
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#237 | Matt "Schmutz" Lyons on Becoming a Social Media Celebrity and Using Cringe Comedy to Trigger the Internet

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by someone you are likely already following on Instagram, Matt Lyons known on trail as "Schmutz". Schmutz is a thru-hiker, social media comedian and celebrity. He gives us an overview on his process for making short comedic skits, how life has changed during his rise to fame, and all that's gone into growing his Instagram and TikTok to nearly a half million followers. We also learn about Matt's backpacking journey, including the time he had to tearfully chase a fellow thru-hiker who was carrying his tent in the wrong direction. Schmutz also gives us a preview of his forthcoming documentary about southbound thru-hiking the PCT. We wrap the show opining on why there aren't wild chickens, the triple crown of things that have made us question our own IQs, and some details about how you can get your hands on Backpacker Radio's infamous hair wall. Sawyer Products: Check out Sawyer’s Permethrin Pump at REI. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Ka’Chava: Get 10% off at kachava.com/backpacker. Badger + Chaunce Signed Book Package: Use code “LITTLEDONKEYGIRL” for $5 off and get a BPR sticker at store.thetrek.co. [divider] Interview with Matt “Schmutz” Lyons Matt's Instagram Matt's Merch Time stamps & Questions 00:03:48 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon for bonus content, subscribe to the Trek’s newsletter to hear when the Tyvek wall is available, and apply to be a 2024 blogger! 00:06:45 - Introducing Matt 00:07:35 - How long do you spend planning out the names in your videos? 00:09:20 - Do you have a background in comedy? 00:11:33 - Have you been told your voice is good for audio? 00:12:38 - Does your girlfriend think you’re funny? 00:14:32 - What’s your background in the outdoors? 00:16:30 - How many of your videos involve making fun of yourself? 00:19:26 - Have you ever made too much fun of a group or activity? 00:23:48 - How would you describe your skits? 00:25:55 - Was there a turning point when your comedy became more professional? 00:27:20 - What’s it like to make social content while teaching middle schoolers? 00:32:54 - Tell us the story of you forgetting your tent in Stehekin 00:37:30 - Tell us about getting a boat hitch 00:39:30 - Tell us about starting the AT in 2019 00:42:36 - Would you describe yourself as an extrovert? 00:44:00 - What were your biggest fuckups and standout stories on the AT? 00:47:17 - How did you get your trail name? 00:50:08 - What’s your most embarrassing moment from trail? 00:51:01 - What years did you hike the PCT? 00:53:25 - What was your social experience like on the PCT? 00:57:30 - What was your motivation for thru-hiking? 00:58:20 - Have you ever shit your pants? 01:00:40 - Discussion about Schmutz’s diet off and on trail 01:02:40 - What are some other firm beliefs you have? 01:03:35 - Have you built up your dream gear? 01:07:18 - Do you have a next trail on the bucket list? 01:08:20 - Tell us about the documentary 01:13:20 - Will the documentary be comedic? 01:15:14 - Is it hard to pass off footage to other people? 01:17:20 - How did you manage your knee? 01:19:10 - Tell us about Frontcountry Apparel 01:21:00 - Which videos did better than you expected? 01:23:05 - Are thru-hiking videos too niche for your audience now? 01:25:00 - Discussion about Matt’s video making process 01:29:01 - How often do people recognize you? 01:30:27 - How do you handle working with brands? Segments Trek Propaganda: How Fast is too Fast? 6 Lessons from a Sub-80 Day Thru-Hike by Isabel Koran QOTD: Why aren’t there wild chickens? Triple Crown of things that have made you question your own IQ Mail Bag [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Jason “Snail” Snailer, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Hailey Buckingham, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
1/22/20242 hours, 7 minutes, 56 seconds
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#236 | Kyle Hates Hiking on His Rise to YouTube Fame, Solving Trail Mysteries, and Getting EXPOSED

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by the very highly requested Kyle O'Grady, known in the world of YouTube as Kyle Hates Hiking. Kyle is an experienced backpacker, having hiked the Long Trail, Appalachian Trail, Northville Placid Trail, Pacific Crest Trail, and Ouachita Trail, amongst many others. In addition to learning about his many trail tales, we dive deep into his passion for video creation especially on the subjects of true crime and trail mysteries. From humble beginnings as a Writer for AppalachianTrials.com to having more than 300,000 subscribers on YouTube, this is an entertaining detailing of Kyle's rise in the world of backpacking media. We wrap the show with some details about the impending sale of Backpacker Radio's famous hair wall, what we would do with an elephant, and the triple crown of social media hiking stereotypes. Ka’Chava: Get 10% off at kachava.com/backpacker. Appalachian Gear Company: Use code “BPRADIO20” for 20% off at appalachiangearcompany.com. LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Feathered Friends: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 10% off at featheredfriends.com. Badger + Chaunce Signed Book Package: Use code “LITTLEDONKEYGIRL” for $5 off and get a BPR sticker at store.thetrek.co. [divider] Interview with Kyle O’Grady Kyle's Instagram Kyle's Youtube Trail Tales Podcast Time stamps & Questions 00:05:14 - Reminders: Support our editor, Pauly, and his coffee roastery, subscribe to the Trek’s newsletter, and apply to be a Trek blogger! 00:08:50 - Introducing Kyle 00:11:10 - Discussion about Kyle writing for Appalachian Trials 00:14:20 - Do people know you more from podcasting or Youtube? 00:15:15 - Give us a rundown on your Youtube 00:18:00 - What’s the process of writing and recording a trail mystery? 00:22:35 - How did you decide to pursue trail mystery stories? 00:26:00 - Give us the overview of the Scott Lilly story 00:27:51 - Give us the overview of the Bismarck story 00:32:00 - Discussion about the perception of the trail as dangerous 00:35:35 - Fuck Marry Kill: True crime, gear breakdowns, general thru-hiking advice 00:37:57 - Discussion about clickbait 00:40:02 - How do you decide how to portray your videos? 00:41:30 - Are you a gear nerd? 00:44:11 - Where do you get your footage? 00:45:45 - What sort of marketing education do you have? 00:49:48 - How do you maintain motivation despite negative comments? 00:52:37 - How did you transition to full time? 00:56:40 - Do you get anxious when a video doesn’t do as well as you expected? 00:59:08 - How much of a video’s success is due to the content versus the algorithm? 01:03:40 - Tell us about your podcast titles 01:06:45 - Discussion about asking AI questions about thru-hiking 01:08:50 - What’s the origin of the name Kyle Hates Hiking? 01:15:40 - What’s the latest thru-hiking social media gossip? 01:19:52 - Are you doing a lot of hiking in Hawaii? 01:23:57 - What’s your hot take about tramilies? 01:26:04 - Why should someone hike the Northville Placid Trail? 01:30:00 - Discussion about the Lone Star Trail 01:33:38 - Tell us about your podcast 01:36:07 - What are the primary differences between making a good video versus a good podcast? 01:41:26 - Story about Zach and Kyle’s near miss interaction 01:50:55 - Story about a bad fan interaction 01:55:25 - What’s the hiker scene like in Burlington? 01:58:00 - Is there an underrated Long Trail mystery? 02:06:20 - Discussion about Kyle writing for the Trek 02:08:30 - What’s next for you? Segments Trek Propaganda: The Best Thru-Hiking Tents of 2024 by the Editors QOTD: You’ve been given an elephant. You can’t give it away or sell it. What would you do with the elephant? Triple Crown of social media hiking stereotypes 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Hailey Buckingham, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
1/15/20242 hours, 37 minutes, 48 seconds
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#235 | Nicole "ShotGun" Kulovitz on Thru-Hiking as a Lifestyle, Wildland Firefighting, and Losing a $2,500 Twisted Tea Bet

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Nicole “ShotGun” Kulovitz. Nicole only recently began long distance backpacking, but in just the last few years, has thru-hiked the CDT, Arizona Trail, Florida Trail, Hayduke, Pacific Northwest Trail, Oregon Desert Trail, Grand Enchantment Trail, Long Trail, Timberline Trail, Florida Keys Overseas Heritage Trail, and the Low to High Trail. In other words, she somehow has packed a lifetime of miles into a four year span. We learn all about her instant infatuation with backpacking, learning lessons from a failed thru-hike attempt, how she financially is able to make long distance backpacking a lifestyle, her experiences as a wildland firefighter, some epic stories of degeneracy, and more. This is a fun chat, good news for the sort of person who’s into fun. We wrap the show with some standout winter thru-hikes for those who hate snow, our go-to Taco Bell orders, a triple crown of undesirable camp chores, and a fun pee story courtesy of a listener. Appalachian Gear Company: Use code “BPRADIO20” for 20% off at appalachiangearcompany.com. Sawyer Products: Check out Sawyer’s Permethrin Pump at REI. Feathered Friends: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 10% off at featheredfriends.com. Ka’Chava: Get 10% off at kachava.com/backpacker. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  [divider] Interview with Nicole “ShotGun” Kulovitz Nicole's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:07:12 - Reminders: Apply to be a blogger or a BPR intern and support us on Patreon for exclusive content! 00:12:20 - Introducing Nicole 00:15:09 - What’s your trail name origin story? 00:18:07 - Tell us about being a wildland firefighter 00:21:57 - How does the end of a day as a firefighter compare to the end of a day hiking? 00:23:05 - How did you become a wildland firefighter? 00:25:33 - Discussion about firefighting tasks, housing, and scheduling 00:29:04 - Is there a high burnout rate for firefighters? 00:31:49 - Do you look at trees differently now? 00:33:17 - How is the pay and what is your cost of living like? 00:38:40 - At what point did backpacking become your lifestyle? 00:41:27 - Tell us about hiking the PCT in a high snow year 00:47:30 - What’s the drama in Kennedy Meadows? 00:51:14 - Which portion of the trail did you hike last year? 00:51:35 - Why do you hate California? 00:53:08 - Take us from there to your first successful thru-hike 00:58:16 - How did you transition from the desert trails to the Long Trail? 01:00:37 - What were your best fun activities on trail? 01:07:41 - What does your average drinking night look like? 01:11:16 - Tell us about hiking the Long Trail 01:14:14 - What kind of hiking schedule do you keep? 01:18:00 - Discussion about rain gear 01:20:05 - How does the AZT compare to the Long Trail in difficulty? 01:23:35 - How many miles have you gotten out of your shoes? 01:25:43 - Tell us about the Hayduke 01:29:55 - How did you develop routefinding skills? 01:34:01 - How many miles do you do on average per day? 01:38:32 - Was the Florida Trail boring compared to the Hayduke? 01:41:54 - Did the dogs make you want to skip the road walks? 01:42:50 - Tell us about the Florida Keys Overseas Heritage Trail 01:48:46 - Tell us about the Pacific Northwest Trail 01:52:45 - How did routefinding on the PNT compare to the Hayduke? 01:54:10 - Did you have any standout experiences on the Oregon Desert Trail? 01:56:23 - Would you recommend the Oregon Desert Trail to newer thru-hikers? 01:57:14 - Tell us about the Grand Enchantment Trail 01:59:02 - What are some of Brett Tucker’s other routes? 02:01:00 - Discussion about optimal trail lengths 02:02:55 - What do you do to make ends meet during the off season? 02:13:10 - How did you like the CDT if you normally prefer shorter trails? 02:20:28 - Where can people follow you? Segments Trek Propaganda: 10 Awesome Snow-Free Winter Thru-Hikes by Diane Duffard QOTD: What is your Taco Bell order? Triple Crown of camp chores you hate Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Hailey Buckingham, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
1/8/20243 hours, 22 seconds
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#234 | Lauren "Long Way" Roerick on France's New 1900-Mile HexaTrek

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Lauren Roerick. Lauren has hiked both the Colorado Trail and Sunshine Coast Trail along with a solid chunk of the PCT, but the focus of today’s episode is her recent thru-hike of the nearly 1,900-mile HexaTrek across France. Lauren gives us an in-depth run down of her trek and the trail at large, including the HexaTrek’s specific geography, the resupply and vibe of the country's quaint villages, the unique, French cultural quirks (including happening upon a nudist camp), the campsites, hitchhiking in France, the food and wine, camping next to castles and on ridgelines in the Alps, and much more. In a nutshell, this trail which you’ve likely never heard of is about to rocket up your bucket list. You’ve been warned. We wrap the show with our predictions and hopes for 2024, the triple crown of things we hoard, and how an iconic point of the AT's viewshed was saved by a former guest of the podcast. Appalachian Gear Company: Use code “BPRADIO20” for 20% off at appalachiangearcompany.com. Ka’Chava: Get 10% off at kachava.com/backpacker. Feathered Friends: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 10% off at featheredfriends.com. LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  [divider] Interview with Lauren “Long Way” Roerick Lauren's Instagram Lauren's Website Time stamps & Questions 00:05:45 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon for exclusive content, apply to blog for the Trek, and check out our merch! 00:08:24 - Introducing Lauren 00:10:07 - Tell us about living in Taiwan and Germany 00:15:10 - What is your musical experience? 00:18:27 - How did you get into backpacking? 00:22:42 - How did you decide to go southbound? 00:24:00 - What were the first few weeks of trail like? 00:27:00 - What was your mindset like? 00:30:40 - Rank the five sections of the PCT 00:32:58 - Tell us about the Colorado Trail and your favorite stretches 00:35:35 - Were you disappointed when you got home? 00:37:13 - Why did you finish the Colorado Trail with fewer people than you started with? 00:39:48 - Tell us about the Sunshine Coast Trail 00:41:55 - What other hidden gems are in British Columbia? 00:46:08 - What are the basics of the HexaTrek? 00:48:50 - Did you learn French prior to the hike? 00:51:06 - What was it like going from town to town? 00:52:30 - How did you learn about and decide to hike the HexaTrek? 00:56:25 - How did you determine how far to hike each day? 00:58:20 - Tell us about the other people you hiked with 01:00:56 - Were you or your parents concerned about you hiking in another country? 01:03:08 - Compare the backcountry experiences of the PCT and HexaTrek01:04:48 - What kind of wildlife did you encounter? 01:05:45 - What were the resupplies like? 01:12:55 - Do you recommend carrying cash along the trail? 01:13:53 - What region of the trail had the best wine? 01:14:46 - How long would you recommend to complete the trail? 01:16:50 - Tell us about the route finding you had to do? 01:18:40 - If you could repeat a section of the trail, which would it be? 01:19:30 - Were there any sections of scrambling or exposure? 01:20:50 - Did you change any of your gear between the PCT and the HexaTrek? 01:24:45 - Tell us some of your notable stories from the trail 01:31:40 - Did you do any hitchhiking along the HexaTrek? 01:35:15 - What preparation would you recommend for people interested in the HexaTrek? 01:39:00 - Did you set up cell service? 01:40:00 - Discussion about budgeting for the HexaTrek 01:41:50 - What do you want to do next? 01:44:00 - Tell us your poop stories! 01:49:20 - Tell us about your video equipment and process 01:51:09 - Where can people follow you? Segments Trek Propaganda: Iconic Appalachian Trail Viewshed Officially Preserved After ATC’s Multi-Year Effort by Colleen Goldhorn QOTD: What are your predictions or hopes for 2024? Triple Crown of things you hoard Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Hailey Buckingham, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
1/1/20242 hours, 24 minutes, 47 seconds
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#233 | Liz "Snorkel" Thomas on Urban Hiking, Reviewing Gear, and the Hardest Hike in the US

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Liz Thomas, known on trail as “Snorkel.” Liz has backpacked more than 20,000 miles, including an FKT on the AT, many trails internationally, and is likely the most experienced “urban hiker” on earth. We learn Snorkel’s top advice on how to pull big miles, her current gear favorites, what she considers to be the hardest hike in the US, how she advises to backpack often while keeping a desk job, and more. We also dive deep on Snorkel’s many urban hikes, which essentially amount to long-distance treks through some of the biggest cities in the US, including how she chooses her routes, which hikes have been her favorites, elements to avoid, and more. We wrap the show Badger drinking Chaunce’s toe juice, and yes that’s likely as gross as it sounds, how to stay safe in a lightning storm while in the backcountry, the Christmas gift we were most excited to receive or gift this year, the triple crown of holiday traditions, and an epic listener email. Badger + Chaunce Signed Book Package: Use code “LITTLEDONKEYGIRL” for $5 off and get a BPR sticker at store.thetrek.co. Vargo Outdoors: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 20% off at vargooutdoors.com. CTUG: Use code “BPR15” for 15% off at chickentrampergear.com. LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. [divider] Interview with Liz “Snorkel” Thomas Snorkel's Instagram Snorkel's Website Treeline Review Time stamps & Questions 00:05:12 - Reminders: Watch us on YouTube, support us on Patreon, and suggest a guest through our form! 00:08:10 - Introducing Liz 00:09:30 - What’s your go to Big Three? 00:10:34 - How did you get your trail name? 00:12:40 - What was your first long hike? 00:17:17 - What work did you do at a field station outside Yosemite? 00:18:58 - What was going to an Ivy League school like? 00:21:30 - What was the process for getting a grant to hike the PCT? 00:24:20 - Do you have advice for someone who wants to hike a long trail during college? 00:26:00 - How do you backpack and keep your desk job? 00:33:50 - What is the hardest hike in the US? 00:35:56 - What’s your best pitch for urban hiking? 00:41:35 - What does camping in a city look like? 00:43:00 - What urban hikes have you done? 00:49:00 - Discussion about finding urban staircases and creating urban routes 00:53:00 - What was your favorite urban hiking experience? 00:54:58 - How do you go to the bathroom on an urban hike? 00:59:00 - Discussion about pee keeping your body warm 01:01:55 - Are there other notable themes you’ve designed urban hikes around? 01:03:15 - What are some standout moments you’ve had along urban hikes? 01:06:18 - What’s the list of urban hikes you’ve done? 01:09:14 - Tell us about your AT FKT in 2011 01:10:57 - What are your tips for someone who wants to increase their mileage? 01:13:25 - Is it hard to get excited for an urban hike with all your backcountry experience? 01:15:02 - What do you do as a solo hiker to keep your mind entertained? 01:17:41 - What midlayers stand out to you? 01:19:30 - If you had to get rid of a piece of gear, what would you cut? 01:22:50 - Any other gear item you’re especially excited about? 01:26:04 - What are the biggest lessons learned from gear reviews? 01:29:49 - What’s a gear item from another sport that’s underrated in thru-hiking? 01:31:09 - What do you like about alpaca over merino? 01:34:40 - What’s the most underrated trail in the US? 01:35:48 - Tell us about your close encounter with a grizzly 01:41:30 - Are there other conservation lessons learned? 01:42:29 - Do you foresee bear cans becoming required on the AT? 01:45:33 - What international trails have you done? 01:49:20 - Are there any tech gear items you’re excited about? 01:51:24 - Tell us more about the hiking you’ve done in Japan 01:58:35 - What gear category has the most room for improvement? 01:59:45 - What is your triple crown of hot takes? Segments Trek Propaganda: The Ultimate Guide to Lightning Safety for Thru-Hiking: Tips & Resources by Arielle Nardizzi QOTD: What Christmas gift are you most excited to receive or gift this year? Triple Crown of holiday traditions Listener Voicemails Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Hailey Buckingham, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
12/25/20233 hours, 16 minutes, 35 seconds
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#232 | Nick "DJ" Fowler on His PCT FKT and Financing a Hiking Lifestyle

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Nick Fowler. Nick went from 1-2 mile day hikes in 2019 to setting the self supported PCT FKT in 2023, with many learning lessons, mistakes, and miles in the four year span in between. We learn all about his experiences on the Hayduke, Pacific Northwest trail (which was another FKT hike for him), the Arizona Trail, and of course go deep on his PCT hike from this year. We also learn about how Nick is able to financially swing being basically full-time hiker trash, outlining how some specific entrepreneurial decisions and savings strategies enable him to dirtbag around the clock. Even if FKTs aren’t your jam, we think you’ll really enjoy this conversation, as we feel it does a good job of normalizing this extreme style of trekking. We wrap the show with how Zach endangered his family with a black widow, news of the removal of an iconic AT shelter, things that are normal at 3pm but terrifying at 3am, and the triple crown of drunk regrets. Badger + Chaunce Signed Book Package: Use code “LITTLEDONKEYGIRL” for $5 off and get a BPR sticker at store.thetrek.co. Vargo Outdoors: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 20% off at vargooutdoors.com. CTUG: Use code “BPR15” for 15% off at chickentrampergear.com. Interview with Nick “DJ” Fowler Nick's Instagram Nick's PNT book Time stamps & Questions 00:05:47 - Reminders: Get Zach and Chaunce’s signed book bundle by January 15th, support us on Patreon, and check out our new website! 00:08:05 - Introducing Nick 00:08:49 - Tell us your poop stories 00:15:20 - Discussion about shower frequency 00:19:20 - How did you go from a clean cut corporate guy to setting an FKT? 00:22:40 - What was the first big animal you encountered? 00:25:40 - What would you say to people who think FKT hikers are missing the point? 00:30:04 - What does a day of hiking look like emotionally? 00:34:00 - Tell us about peeing red 00:39:58 - What was the biggest breakdown you had on trail? 00:45:35 - Has not quitting been a theme across your life? 00:47:12 - What did you learn on the PNT that helped you on the PCT? 00:49:27 - What packing mistakes did you correct on the PNT? 00:52:40 - What’s your footwear system? 00:54:50 - Discussion about road walks and bushwacking on the PNT 00:55:50 - What do you commonly lose? 01:00:17 - Discussion about dealing with Tropical Storm Hilary 01:11:38 - What was your sketchiest moment of the Hayduke? 01:16:35 - How did you get your trail name? 01:18:20 - Discussion about footwear 01:26:50 - What type of pain did you deal with on a daily basis on the PCT? 01:30:30 - What are your strongest food cravings? 01:41:00 - Discussion about diet and food 01:42:45 - How much time did you have off between hikes and before the PCT? 01:43:40 - How did you transition from a regular job to full time hiking? 01:47:45 - What do you do for passive income? 01:51:28 - What steps did you take to feel confident enough to make these moves? 01:54:20 - What tips do you have for someone who’s interested in this topic? 01:59:10 - What ventures would you recommend people get into? 02:01:33 - What mental tools are you using to stay determined? 02:04:45 - Discussion about the classifications of FKTs 02:11:11 - When would you say enough is enough? 02:13:30 - Tell us about your book, Itch Segments Trek Propaganda: Appalachian Trail Landmark, Overmountain Shelter, to be Removed by Diane Duffard QOTD: What’s normal at 3pm but terrifying at 3am? Stupid Thing of the Week Triple Crown of drunk regrets 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Hailey Buckingham, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
12/18/20232 hours, 51 minutes, 4 seconds
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#231 | Ryan "Dirtmonger" Sylva on Backpacking Philosophies, the Vagabond Loop, and the Great Basin Traverse

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Ryan Sylva, known on trail as Dirtmonger. Let me tell you, this one is an instant classic. Dirtmonger has so many miles under his trail runners that he’s lost count, but it’s comfortably deep into the 5-digit range. We learn about all the trails and routes Dirtmonger has tackled, including the PCT, CDT, Vagabond Loop, Low to High Route, the Great Basin Traverse, Sky Island Traverse, and more. But in addition to and likely more importantly, we go deep into the inspiration and philosophy behind Dirtmonger’s backpacking career, which sheds some really interesting new perspectives into this wild world of long-distance walking. This one will eventually be a two-parter, and we’re supremely confident that you’ll enjoy this first edition. We wrap the show by learning about the marathon for cake on the AT in Virginia, where we're hiding our FBI's most wanted paperclip, and I get another vote of confidence in my highly anticipated rumble with an alien. Zoleo: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for free device activation.  Sawyer Products: Check out Sawyer’s Permethrin Pump at REI. LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Ryan “Dirtmonger” Sylva Dirtmonger's Instagram Dirtmonger's Blog Dirtmonger's Patreon Watch this interview on YouTube! Time stamps & Questions 00:06:20 - Reminders: Get exclusive content on Patreon, submit your poop story, and subscribe to Backpacker Radio on YouTube! 00:12:30 - Introducing Dirtmonger 00:17:00 - What does Shitmonger mean? 00:20:55 - Dirtmonger’s poop stories 00:29:11 - The ghost poop 00:31:28 - What is your hiking origin story? 00:45:40 - How did your family struggle with you being a backpacker? 00:49:30 - What advice do you have for thru-hikers struggling to complete a trail? 00:53:54 - Discussion about intentions 00:56:12 - Did you ever contemplate giving up on the dream? 01:02:15 - Do you experience any diminishing returns with your hikes? 01:06:03 - Where did you get the first sense of chasing a nontraditional challenge? 01:11:13 - How do you feel about other people following in your footsteps? 01:16:45 - How do you finance your hikes? 01:19:15 - What guidance do you have for turning a seasonal job into a career? 01:26:30 - Have you considered trying to monetize your hiking? 01:36:46 - Tell us about the Vagabond Loop 01:42:40 - What is the attraction of social hiking? 01:48:20 - Do you experience loneliness on trail? 01:51:25 - What are you afraid of? 01:55:15 - Tell us about the Great Basin Traverse 02:02:00 - How many hours of prep do you think you did? 02:06:42 - How do you handle finding water sources in the desert? 02:13:10 - Do you have a story about getting to a water source that didn’t work out? 02:15:35 - Do you find yourself taking chances for the thrill of problem solving? 02:19:00 - What was your biggest fuckup while hiking? 02:25:30 - Have you had any regrets? 02:28:05 - What’s your typical mileage and pace? 02:31:40 - What’s in your backpack? 02:41:15 - Tell us about the Sky Island Traverse 02:45:00 - What else did you do in 2016? 02:53:40 - What do you want listeners to take away from this interview? 02:57:54 - What are your tips for people new to backpacking? Segments Trek Propaganda: What Virginia Blues? 10 Can’t-Miss Landmarks in VA by Jamie Angle QOTD: You have 20 minutes to hide a paper clip before the FBI comes to your house to look for it - where are you hiding it? You must be able to retrieve it after they leave. Triple Crown of holiday movies 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Hailey Buckingham, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
12/11/20233 hours, 24 minutes, 17 seconds
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#230 | Bennett Lee on Caving and His Calendar Year "Half" Triple Crown, Plus Rachel's Colorado Trail Hike

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Bennett Lee, an avid caver, backpacker, and photographer. This year Bennett attempted the calendar year triple crown, completing half of it, which he dubbed the Calendar Year Half Triple Crown. In typical backpacker radio fashion however, we swerve, spending much of our time chatting about the wacky world that is caving. We go deep, learning what draws someone into caving, why people in his community don’t call it spelunking, the nude calendars he’s shot in caves, some harrowing stories from situations gone awry (including a time where the search party had already begun the process of looking for his body), another time where he was caught in a collapsing cave next to a rattlesnake, an assortment of fun cave facts, including how someone’s sleep schedule changes when doing multi-day caving trips, and much more. You will leave this conversation delighted, entertained, and possibly at times, a bit disturbed - in the best way possible. We wrap the show with our very own Rachel giving a hilarious rundown on her Colorado Trail thru-hike / honeymoon, an unveiling of some new merch, just in time for the holidays, life tips for those who’ve recently finished a thru-hike, some things we wish were never invented, a triple crown of modern day luxuries that are tight, and a shoutout to one of our Patreon supporters who recently completed the CDT. Zoleo: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for free device activation.  Badger + Chaunce Signed Book Package: Use code “LITTLEDONKEYGIRL” for $5 off and get a BPR sticker at store.thetrek.co. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Bennett “Tight Squeeze” Lee Bennett's Website Bennett's Instagram Bennett's Youtube Time stamps & Questions 00:07:10 - Reminders: Check out our Stay Feral shirts, our new website, and our application for the Trek’s editorial internship! 00:09:55 - Introducing Bennett 00:11:14 - What knot would you use for the rest of your life and why? 00:12:23 - How did you get started with caving? 00:15:50 - What’s the difference between caving and spelunking? 00:17:05 - What are the steps to exploring a cave? 00:18:25 - What does a cave rescue process look like? 00:20:10 - How do people find and explore new caves? 00:25:28 - What are the Leave No Trace aspects to caving? 00:29:21 - Story about discovering a new cave 00:35:54 - How do you keep continuing new passages in the cave? 00:46:21 - Discussion about free diving in caves 00:50:20 - How do you know when you reach the end of a cave? 00:51:40 - Is there any scanning technology that works in caves? 00:53:15 - Do you enjoy the adrenaline rush and dangers involved with cave exploration? 00:55:05 - Does backpacking seem easy or boring compared to caving? 00:56:55 - How do you fund caving? 00:58:45 - How do you regulate your circadian rhythm when you’re in a cave for long periods? 00:59:54 - Have you ever found human remains in a cave? 01:04:25 - Is it beneficial to have a smaller stature for caving? 01:05:15 - What’s the longest known cave in the US and can you hike through caves? 01:06:30 - How often do you see bats in caves? 01:08:52 - Tell us about being trapped in a tight cave with a rattlesnake 01:15:35 - Tell us about the nude caving calendar 01:19:14 - How did you get into backpacking? 01:21:40 - How much does the gear overlap between backpacking and caving? 01:23:02 - Tell us about your expedition in Alaska 01:32:55 - Tell us the Love Poop story (and submit your own!) 01:37:20 - Tell us the 50 miles for 50th birthday 01:41:08 - How has having Asperger's interfaced with your hiking? 01:42:50 - Do you have a triple crown of social situations you would consider the worst? 01:45:23 - Tell us about your Calendar Year “Half” Triple Crown 01:52:22 - Tell us about the Porcupine World War 01:58:10 - Discussion about Bennett’s shoes 02:00:00 - What’s next for you? Segments Rachel’s Colorado Trail Hike Trek Propaganda: Finished Your Thru-Hike. Now What? 9 Tips for Regaining Your Humanity by Danielle Krolewicz QOTD: What’s something you wish was never invented? Stupid Thing of the Week Triple Crown of modern day luxuries that are tight Plug Me 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Hailey Buckingham, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
12/4/20233 hours, 15 minutes, 5 seconds
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#229 | Ruth Morley on Section Hiking vs. Thru-Hiking at Age 70 and Eating Plant-Based

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Ruth Morley. Ruth, in addition to being a Trek Blogger, is an avid backpacker, having trekked the GR5 through the south of France all the way through the Netherlands, the Florida Trail, the AT, the Buckeye Trail, and most recently a thru-hike of the Colorado Trail at the ripe age of 70! We learn about Ruth’s affinity for section hiking and how it compares to thru-hiking, we get an indepth run down of her time trekking the GR5, and Ruth dives deep into her passion for her whole food plant based diet, in which she adds zero salt, oil, or sugar to. Zach and Chaunce’s dietary guilt is at an all-time high in this episode. We wrap the show with an overview of the guy who hiked the AT and PCT carrying a 20-lb log over his shoulders, activities we didn't realize would consume so much of our time as adults, the triple crown of jingles, taglines, and mottos, and more. Vargo Outdoors: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 20% off at vargooutdoors.com. Zoleo: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for free device activation.  Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Ruth Morley Ruth's Trek profile Ruth's Facebook page Time stamps & Questions 00:06:35 - Reminders: Check out our new website, support us on Patreon to see exclusive content, and come to the Denver hiker meetup THIS FRIDAY, December 1st! 00:10:10 - Introducing Ruth 00:11:11 - How did you originally get interested in the outdoors? 00:15:27 - What is the Mediocre Golf Association? 00:18:45 - Tell us about your son’s racing career 00:21:07 - Tell us about the GR5 00:24:36 - What are the basics for an American looking to hike the GR5? 00:29:20 - What was your favorite section of the GR5? 00:30:40 - What’s the northern section like? 00:33:25 - What are the other can’t-miss cultural experiences along the GR5? 00:35:39 - What percent of the time did you spend camping versus staying in hostels? 00:39:22 - Any standout stories from the GR5? 00:42:18 - Tell us about section hiking the AT 00:49:22 - Can you talk about sharing a motel room with other hikers? 00:52:10 - What set of injuries inspired your change in diet? 00:56:30 - What was your diet like before going plant-based? 01:00:30 - What are examples of common meals you eat? 01:08:20 - What are your go-to dehydrated recipes? 01:13:15 - What do you recommend for people interested in dabbling? 01:17:42 - What kind of wet foods work with your diet? 01:22:30 - What are the advantages of section hiking versus thru-hiking? 01:25:34 - What other tips do you have for older backpackers? 01:27:23 - Discussion about training methods 01:30:35 - Tell us about your first section on the Florida Trail 01:36:30 - Did you see any alligators? 01:37:33 - Did you consider skipping the road walk? 01:39:11 - Can you give us a sales pitch for the Buckeye Trail in Ohio? 01:43:55 - What were your favorite moments of the Colorado Trail? 01:47:33 - Did you deal with altitude sickness at all? 01:48:37 - What are your parting messages? Segments Trek Propaganda: Meet Shawn Mahoney, aka Log Man: The Thru-Hiker Who Carried a Log on the AT and PCT by Krysia Caldwell QOTD:  What’s something you didn’t realize was going to consume so much of your time as an adult? Plug Me: Barney “Scout” Mann and Shayla “Kiddo” Paradeis Triple Crown of jingles, taglines, and mottos 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
11/27/20232 hours, 18 minutes, 9 seconds
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#228 | Matt "Sheriff Woody" Berger, a Trained Botanist, on Interesting Plants of the Triple Crown Trails

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Matt Berger known on trail as Sheriff Woody. If you like plants, oh boy, are you in luck today because Sheriff Woody is an experienced thru-hiker and a trained botanist who’s packed to the gills with fun flora facts. We learn about some of the standout plant species along each of the triple crown trails, how to know if a berry is edible or deadly, some of the rarest flowers along the triple crown trails, interesting facts about cacti, pine cones, and trees along these trails, and much, much more. Even if you aren’t a plant person, we are guaranteeing 100% satisfaction with this interview or your money back. We wrap the show with our favorite grocery impulse buys, a shoutout to Kelly Floro who recently completed the Pyrenean Haute Route, a Triple Crown of mid life crisis hobbies, our preferred noise to mask a public dump, and more. Vargo Outdoors: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 20% off at vargooutdoors.com. Zoleo: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for free device activation.  LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. Darn Tough: Use code “DTLOVE-BACKPACKERRADIO” for 10% off plus free shipping at darntough.com. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Matt “Sheriff Woody” Berger Matt's iNaturalist profile Matt's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:05:51 - Reminders: Come to the Hiker Meetup on December 1 at Improper City, check out our new website, and watch this episode on YouTube! 00:10:09 - Introducing Sheriff Woody 00:11:26 - What’s your background? 00:13:00 - What’s your favorite bug? 00:15:35 - How did your parents feel about you luring insects into your yard? 00:16:45 - When did you decide to pursue horticulture and what is the career path like? 00:18:37 - What’s the difference between botany and horticulture? 00:20:55 - Tell us about your Appalachian Trail hike in 2012 00:26:30 - What alpine plants are there on the northern part of the AT? 00:30:41 - Do you have to study Latin during horticulture/botany training? 00:33:45 - What can you tell us about the plant naming process? 00:35:55 - What exciting plant species are on the AT but not on the other main trails? 00:40:00 - Discussion about improving blight resistance in American chestnut trees 00:44:37 - Can you tell us about the hemlock woolly adelgid? 00:47:06 - What are some of the worst invasive species along the AT? 00:50:40 - What are your favorite plants along the PCT? 00:54:15 - Tell us about poodle-dog bush 00:59:38 - What other plants have utility for thru-hikers? 01:03:24 - Do people harvest ginseng on the AT? 01:04:30 - What should people familiarize themselves with to be able to confidently identify a plant? 01:08:06 - Do you have a favorite berry along the PCT? 01:10:00 - What are some standout cactus species along the PCT? 01:12:38 - What are some fun plants that are easy to identify? 01:16:24 - What plants do you see in northern California? 01:18:33 - Is it hard for you to hike big miles if you’re looking at plants all the time? 01:20:18 - What type of camera do you normally use? 01:23:29 - Tell us about iNaturalist 01:32:00 - What are the standout plants along the CDT? 01:35:33 - How would you rank the Triple Crown trails according to plants? 01:37:20 - Tell us about pine cones 01:41:05 - What are your top 3 favorite plants you’ve seen while hiking? 01:43:44 - Fuck Marry Kill: American chestnut, pygmy poppy, alpine spring beauty 01:44:44 - Do you have a favorite tree? 01:47:39 - If you were a flower/tree/insect, what would you be and why? 01:49:33 - Are there any other tools or apps you’d recommend for aspiring naturalists? 01:52:27 - Tell me about your botany road trip 01:55:29 - Are there specific plants at risk from climate change along the Triple Crown trails? 01:57:42 - Where can people go to keep up with you? Segments Trek Propaganda: Kelly Floro's Pyrenean Haute Route Blog QOTD: What’s the most surprising impulse buy you’ve made while grocery shopping recently? Triple Crown of mid life crisis hobbies Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
11/20/20232 hours, 24 minutes, 40 seconds
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#227 | Brady Geilenfeldt on Hiking the Colorado Trail as a Deaf Person

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Brady Geilenfeldt. Brady, known on trail as Undies, thru-hiked the Colorado Trail this year. What makes Undies story especially interesting is that he is deaf. We learn all about Brady’s inspiring story, the incredible technology that is cochlear implants, what challenges a deaf hiker has to overcome, Brady's highlights from the CT, some of the non-obvious benefits of being a deaf hiker, Brady’s future trail ambitions, and much more. Brady is an inspiring young man and we think you’ll really enjoy this chat. We wrap the show with things we're convinced people pretend to enjoy, a triple crown of things that are the new black, some new poop news, and we finally have the details for our Denver holiday hiker meetup, and you are invited. Vargo Outdoors: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 20% off at vargooutdoors.com. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Darn Tough: Use code “DTLOVE-BACKPACKERRADIO” for 10% off plus free shipping at darntough.com. Katabatic Gear: Use code “BPR15” for 15% off at katabaticgear.com. [divider] Interview with Brady Geilenfeldt Brady's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:52 - Reminders: Join us at Improper City for the Hiker Meetup on December 1st! Apply to be a blogger or the Trek’s editorial intern. Check out our merch and support us on Patreon! 00:08:32 - Introducing Brady 00:12:40 - Tell us about your experience with deafness 00:15:10 - How did your mom get CMV? 00:16:50 - Were your parents on high alert knowing your mom had CMV? 00:17:55 - Would you trade being deaf for anything? 00:18:57 - How well does a cochlear implant approximate human hearing? 00:21:04 - How do the implants work? 00:24:10 - Did you ever learn American Sign Language? 00:26:00 - Are your other senses enhanced to make up for the loss of hearing? 00:27:10 - Does it help you sleep at night while backpacking? 00:28:14 - Are the implants comfortable to wear? 00:29:40 - Can you customize the volume based on different environments? 00:31:20 - Is it a satisfying feeling to take them off? 00:32:28 - Do the implants make hiking more interesting? 00:35:32 - What’s your hiking background and what made you decide to hike the CT? 00:37:18 - What was your longest backpacking trip prior to the Colorado Trail? 00:37:40 - What do you have to consider when planning for the CT? 00:40:28 - Is it disorienting to have only one implant in? 00:44:14 - Did you have any role models that inspired you beforehand? 00:46:20 - Do you have tips for making hiking more stimulating or being comfortable with yourself? 00:49:10 - Do you have to be concerned about the implants getting wet? 00:52:00 - Discussion about technological features or upgrades 00:53:40 - Do people ever use cochlear implants that aren’t deaf? 00:55:05 - Does the implant need to be replaced? 00:57:17 - Did deafness or CMV cause you to be immunocompromised? 00:58:30 - Discussion about losing balance and other impacts of deafness 01:01:18 - How did you handle the weather on the Colorado Trail? 01:04:38 - Did you have to be more careful when navigating while hiking? 01:07:00 - Do you want to do future hikes with a trail family? 01:08:03 - Do you have any standout stories from the CT? 01:10:09 - What’s the origin of your trail name? 01:14:54 - Would you do other things differently to prepare for a future hike? 01:17:50 - What ratio of rechargeable to disposable batteries did you use? 01:18:57 - How bad is it if you were to lose or break them? 01:21:22 - How did you handle health insurance? 01:23:55 - Have you had other people reach out since your hike? 01:25:00 - How does playing music interface with your deafness? 01:27:50 - Is there something to be done to make the outdoors more accessible for someone with implants? 01:30:41 - Are some insurance plans better than others? 01:32:33 - Is there an actionable step the listeners can take to improve the situation? 01:38:00 - Harvest General Store 01:40:15 - Brady’s parting words Segments Trek Propaganda: Broken on the AT: Gear That Breaks At 2,000 miles (And The Gear That Doesn’t) by Abby Evans QOTD: What are you convinced people are pretending to enjoy? Stupid Thing of the Week Triple Crown of things that are the new black Poop News Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S. [divider] Transcript: In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, we are joined by Brady Geilenfeld. Brady, known on trail as Undies, through-hiked the Colorado Trail this year. What makes Undies' story especially interesting is that he's deaf. We learn all about Brady's inspiring story, the incredible technology that his cochlear implants, what challenges a deaf hiker has to overcome, Brady's highlights from the CT, some of the non-obvious benefits of being a deaf hiker, including a great night of sleep, future trail ambitions, and much more. Brady is an inspiring young man, and we think you'll really enjoy this chat. We wrap the show with things we're convinced people pretend to enjoy, a triple crown of things that are the new black, some new hoop news, and we finally have the details for our Denver Holiday Hiker Meetup, and you are invited. But first, I am thrilled to introduce our next sponsor, which is a brand that has been a part of my pack and through hikes, dating back to 2017. Vargo creates lightweight titanium backpacking gear that is simple, innovative, and functional. The Vargo Bot 700 was with me every step of the way during my through hike of the PCT and every backpacking trip since. The Vargo Bot is extremely lightweight, weighing less than 5 ounces, and transfers heat quickly and evenly, making it the perfect pot for your cookware setup. But this just scratches the surface for why the Bot kicks so much eff… butt. Because the Bot features a screw top lid, it's the ideal option for the cold soakers of this world. Dump your dehydrated meal and the appropriate amount of water into the Bot, screw the lid closed, insert time, and voila, dinner is ready. Also, I can't count all the times I've benefited from having an additional 700ml of emergency water storage when encountering an unexpected dry spell. In other words, this piece is incredibly versatile and may very well be the last pot you ever buy. The Bot comes in a variety of sizes, including the brand new Bot XL, which is designed to perfectly fit a full-size canister inside with extra room for a stove. I'm also a user and fan of Vargo's utensils, titanium long-handle spoon for the win, and their titanium stakes. 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As the name would imply, the ultralight cooler is 30% lighter compared to other premium hard-sided coolers, which means you can be the group's beverage hero without developing a hernia in the process. And compromising on weight doesn't mean you're compromising on insulation. With up to three inches of post-self-roam insulation, your ice will remain as ice for days. For more portable adventures, Artic Outdoors soft pack coolers are the ticket. These are lightweight, durable, and ready to travel with you, keeping your drinks cold for up to 24 hours while avoiding the mess thanks to two inches of closed-cell foam and puncture and tear-resistant lining. Lastly, Artic's drinkware keeps your blue ribbons cold or your morning coffee hot for the long haul, utilizing double-wall vacuum insulation. The BPR team rocked Artic tumblers throughout the muggy afternoons of southern Appalachia, enjoying refreshingly cold beverages along the way. Head to ArticOutdoors.com to get your premium coolers and insulated drinkware at a fraction of the price of the competition today. Welcome to Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek. Today is November 13th, World Kindness Day. Aww, that's nice. I am your co-host Zach Badger-Davis, sitting to my right is... Hi, I'm Juliana Chauncey, aka Chauncey... Reminders, yes. We have the deets, finally, for our Hiker Holiday Meetup Extravaganza Palooza Supreme. A-thon. Yes. This will take place, whatever I said previously, disregard that because I think a lot of the details have changed. You guys don't care about the reasons why. But this is going down on December 1st at Improper City in Denver, in Denver, not Golden, from 530 to 8 p.m. This will be co-hosted by Backpacker Radio slash The Trek and the CDTC, which means it'll be a fundraiser for them. We're going to have some sweet raffles, or as they say, door prizes. I had to look that up. Apparently, that's the vernacular for raffle prizes nowadays. Good hangs, solid vibes, memes. What else? Carnival barking. Carnival barking, yes. Sounds like there will be some of that happening. Give at least four drinks a chance and she will stand on a chair and yell at you. I haven't stood on a chair and yelled at Improper City yet, which is something that I'm excited to do. Yeah, let's see if they welcome us back after December 1st at 530 p.m. A couple other things quickly. One is if you're through hiking in 2024 and you want your journey featured on The Trek, we are currently accepting blogger applications. I did a link in the show notes. Lastly, this is the time of the year where we will likely be adding a new editorial intern to the team. This is a highly coveted position. We get lots of people reaching out for this, so if you're listening to this and you've got some serious editorial chops and you like long distance backpacking, head to the link in the show notes. Oh, also we are still selling our awesome vintage backpacker radio tees. We've gotten some nice compliments on them. Yes, we have. They look like Saved by the Bell goes outdoors. Yeah, or if you're slightly older, Miami Vice, if you're my age, both are sufficient. Yeah, I also think if you saw the Barbie movie, this would be like that in the form of a shirt and blue. There is pink hints. There's flavors of pink in there, but it's it's I could see it being worn as like a Ken costume. Yeah, I saw a couple people recommend or ask for us to turn these into sun hoodies, which I got to figure out. Where do we find a manufacturer? That's a good question, but maybe someday. OK, well, if you manufacture sun hoodies and you're listening to this slide in our DMS. Yes. Last thing is if you want to support the show and you want some additional backpacker radio content, head on over to our Patreon page, patreon.com slash backpacker radio, where we release a new episode the first Wednesday of every month. This current month's episode was a gift guide. We went through big ticket and small ticket items that you can either gift or be gifted in the holiday season, things that we've loved having as hikers and regular humans and as well as things that we wouldn't want or like, you know, some things to avoid if you want to give that thoughtful gift to a hiker, but also don't want to give them something that they're going to smile and say thank you for and then actually never use. Yes. To the non-backpacking gift recommendations, I tried my hardest to not make it too dad-centric and I think I failed. This will be a great one for anyone who wants to gift something to a hiker or who really likes being in the kitchen. Yes. Leave it at that. Or is training to be the all-time dad. Yeah. OK, we'll leave it at that. No more beating around the bush. Let's get right to today's interview with Brady Gielenfeldt. We'll figure out how badly I butchered that pretty soon. We are joined by today's guest, Brady Gielenfeldt, which I nailed the first time, I'm pretty sure. I'm sure the tape will say otherwise, who hiked the Colorado Trail this year in part to inspire people who are deaf or hard of hearing, that they are not limited by their abilities. Brady, thank you so much for joining us here on Backpacker Radio. Hey, it's great to be here. Yeah. Can we swing the mic a little bit closer your way? There we go. About that far from your mouth. How does that sound? Good. That sounds awesome. The closer the better. You can't be too close. Yeah. I would move yourself closer rather than close. Yeah. Typically, we do all this stuff before we hit record, but we're winging it here today. He brought us food. We got distracted and we brought him food. Yeah. It was a food exchange. Let's start there. Let's give a plug to this is your folks place, the Harvest General Store in Iowa, right? Yes, in Iowa. Yeah, they just do trade shows and stuff right now and they have a Facebook page. But I mean, really, yeah, they just go around doing those trade shows. They love it. Yeah. So we're about to bust open. There was a wide variety of goodies in this box. Chonce went with her top option, currently stabbing it open with the edge of her glasses. What do we have here, Chonce? This seemed the most on-brand for us, and this is freeze-dried gummy worms. I personally have been getting a lot of algorithm on socials showing me people freeze-drying skittles, gummies, things like that. And so this is right up my current algorithm. Yeah. They look like Cheetos. It looks unique. And I was unaware of freeze-drying candy up until about 10 minutes ago. So very excited to learn about this wild world. I will say the best part about this is seeing people's reaction, eating this for the first time. ASMR. Flavors. It tastes like, texture aside, it tastes just like a gummy worm. Tastes like jello. This is very interesting. Push it against the top of your mouth. Like, I don't like chewing these things. I like pushing them against the top of my mouth and letting them melt. If you just push it with your tongue against the top of your mouth, it does taste a little bit like jello. This is requiring a lot of unlearning because I'm expecting candy, but. All right. Take the red and push it against the roof of your mouth. I still got this. It's red jello. This is fantastic. Let me try the blue side now. I think I'm liking it more with each bite. The first one was a little bit of an exploration for me. I will say out of all the options, the gummy worms are not my favorite. What's your go-to? My go-to is definitely the skittles. They do the wild berry skittles and those ones are really good. The smoothie ones are awesome. Maybe we'll bust those out halfway through. Yeah, we could do that. I don't hate this. I feel like this. Setting myself up here. I'll just follow through. It kind of reminds me of corn dogs. Corn dogs? This is important. When I take a bite of a corn dog, I don't know if I want to continue that journey, but then after it sits there for a moment, I'm like, I need another bite. After you've sat there and you're like, where's that taste? I want that taste back. I feel like I can get a lot of miles out of these. It's the perfect intersection between candy and chips. It has a hearty chip texture to it. Very crunchy, as you could hear through the mics, but still tastes exactly like the flavor is exactly what you'd expect from a gummy worm. It's very interesting. I've never even had anything approximate to what I just put in my mouth. That's what she said. I feel like these would be good in shots. Oh, sure. You want to get the party started? Me saying shots are out for the last segment. Cool. These are fun. Okay. Let's talk about some backpacking stuff. The intro is short because that is essentially what we know about your journey. I'm assuming the bulk of the conversation for today. Give us the background because we've been chatting here for the last 10, 15 minutes or so. The conversation has been very easy. I wouldn't expect that you were hard of hearing. Give us your level or introduce your level of deafness and maybe any tech that's involved. I guess just give us the full background. Yeah, I can give you the full rundown. I was born with CMV. That's a congenital men-something virus. It's a very long word. I always butcher it. I was born with that. That basically meant that I could have been deaf, could have been blind, could have been anything. It could have been missing a leg. It turns out that I was just deaf. My mom, they knew what to look for since they had tested for CMV when my mom was pregnant with me. She was a nurse and she got pregnant. Well, she didn't get pregnant by one of her patients. She got CMV from one of her patients. She just kept on doing what she was doing. They knew what to look for. I was born and I passed a newborn hearing screen. At the time, the newborn hearing screen was just you look at the baby and you scream at it and see if it reacts. Any baby's going to pass a newborn hearing screen. Is that because the volume is loud enough that even if they are hard of hearing, it's still reaching a decibel that they can perceive? Yeah, that they register it basically. That's what they were basing it off of at the time. I was born in 2000. It was not that long ago. I slept through my first fireworks and my parents were like, well, no newborn baby is going to sleep through fireworks. They brought me home and sat me down in the living room and banged a bunch of pots and pans in front of my face. I didn't do anything. Didn't react. They were like, yeah, we have a deaf baby. They brought me back. Were they that calm about it? No. Guaranteed not. I know my mom. They probably sprinted to the hospital. Sure. They did that and then I did a couple of hearing screens and I would pass them again, but then they finally did a sedated one where I was hooked up to a machine and then that showed that I was fully deaf. I got my first cochlear implant when I was 13 months old and my second one when I was five years old. Before you go too far, because I'm going to have questions, cover my questions. I just know it. How did your mom get CMV? How does it get transmitted? Just through contact. She was working on a patient. She's an ER nurse and yeah, I think it was just through contact of, I think it was bodily fluids. So basically, if you're pregnant and you get CMV, then it just goes directly to the child. So she was pregnant when she got it? Yeah. It's not like she could get it and then she goes deaf? Yeah. That can happen? No, no, no. Oh, it can? Okay. Thank God. Yeah, no, that would not be the case. So it just, it went directly to me basically and she didn't see any of the repercussions of CMV. And so I still have it and I still live with it, but I can't transmit it to anybody. And so it's dormant, I guess. How did she know at the time that she contracted CMV? She didn't know right away because the doctor came in and was like, hey, this patient has CMV. And my mom was like, well, I guarantee I already have it now since I've already been working with the patient. So. How could the patient give it to your mom, but you can't give it to someone else? That's a good question. I think it's because it really develops predominantly when you're in the womb versus like, you know, you get it in the womb and it's in that development stages. I'm not a doctor, so, but that's my interpretation of it, I guess. And so, yeah, it just, that means I'm, you know, immunocompromised. I, everything else that comes along with being deaf, I can get into that in a second. But yeah, that's about it with CMV. Were your parents on the lookout for, were they on high alert knowing that she had contracted CMV when she was pregnant, thinking that there was a high likelihood that something could have gone awry? Yeah. I mean, they, the doctors literally had like percentages of the different types of disabilities that I could have. And so they had no idea. And so when I was born and I was just, you know, looked normal, you know, they were like, wow, that's amazing. That's a miracle. And so that was a really cool experience for them to go through. And then also, you know, in a way, it was kind of one of the best of the worst situations. Let me know if this sounds insensitive, because for me, it's purely curious, but I could see how this might not come out how I want it to knowing the array of different things that could have happened. Are you, would you trade being deaf for a different option? Or do you think that like, it's a really manageable, like, I don't know, like, would you trade it? I don't think so. I actually don't think I would trade it for anything. Because for one, I take them out when I sleep, you know, like nothing wakes me up noise wise, you know, I mean, I guess I'm sensitive to vibrations. That's actually how I wake up every day is my bed shakes and it connects to my alarm. And yeah, when I have a headache, I can just take them out, don't have to deal with anything, don't have to listen to anything. So I mean, there are some perks of it. I wouldn't change it now. Have you ever taken them out in a relationship when someone's mad at you? That didn't go over very well. That's amazing. That's the ultimate talk to the hand. Notting along. Yeah. So you mentioned that you wake up to an alarm that vibrates. Is this like an alarm specifically for people, for deaf people? Yeah. Yeah. Actually there's, I've had friends buy it just because they're heavy sleepers. I am ahead. You caught my interest when you said the bed vibrates. Yeah. It's just like a little toggle thing. I don't know. It's probably like three and a half, four inches in diameter. And like, you just put it underneath your mattress and it's just like, it's a sonic vibrator. Yeah. It's like a good April Fool's joke for Garrett. I don't know how to phrase this question. So you got the, your first cochlear implant when you said when you were 13 months old. Yes. And then the second one when you were five. Yes. Do you know how well the implant approximates normal human hearing? Like are you functioning at a hundred percent of what the average person functions at? Is it 75%? Can you, like, what is that, what is it supposed to approximate? Yeah. I mean, they basically say that I hear 15,000 tones and you guys hear 30,000 tones. So I guess that's more on a tonal level, but I don't even know. What does that mean? Like just in terms of different arrays of frequencies. Yeah. If you're listening to music, are you hearing half as much of the range as somebody else? Kind of, it's more like along the lines of, you know, I can't hear like white noise or like the, I guess it's the range of frequencies that I can hear. Okay. So like if it's super deep or like a whale call, that's probably not in my range to be able to hear. Got it. Or if it's like a dog whistle, I know most people can't hear that, but something along those high frequencies, I can't hear. Got it. So there's like that specific range. We used to make that our cell phone ring tone in I would say ninth grade because there was a dog whistle. It was a high pitched frequency because the age that your teachers are, like you start to not be able to hear those high sounds, but when you're super young, you can. I thought you were going to say you knew that the phone was ringing because the dogs were barking. No, no, no. People would set their phones to it because the teachers couldn't hear it. That's funny. Yeah. Okay. So, okay. So you hear at half the frequencies of the average human hearing, but for like this conversation, are you hearing everything perfectly normal? I mean, as normal as I can tell. I was going to say, because like I said, I haven't missed a beat. The conversation hasn't missed a beat since you walked in here. And I didn't know what to expect. And to see that your hearing functions at such a high level is just such a pat on the back to what we're able to achieve with Western medicine and all the technology and everything. If you take out the implants, can you like not hear at all? Zip, nothing. How do they make that work? I know you're not a doctor. We've established this, but how do they make that work? Like how do they just create something where there's nothing? I know that people listening can't actually see this, but so, I mean, what I have here is it's a cochlear implant. So I took my left side off. And so right now I can't hear anything on my left side. And so this part that kind of twists off, that's the battery. And so there's a processor that basically takes sound and it's basically like a camera microphone. And so you know how, when you take a video and you like hear the wind, like it's like, and it's annoying, right? I hear that. And so it's basically kind of like just a camera mic, but then this processor basically transfers those sound waves into electrodes, which are just little electrical pulses. And that goes through a magnet that's actually inside my head. And that magnet has a coil that runs through the cochlea. And so since my deafness comes from like not being able to hear, right? So basically what I'm getting at is I don't have the actual like hairs in the cochlea that stimulate the auditory nerve like you guys do. And so that coil that runs through the cochlea like stimulates it with those electrodes, like it would for you guys with those hairs. Two part question. One, based on what you just said, if I were to put that on, it wouldn't, like I wouldn't hear anything crazy because I don't have the part inside, right? Yeah, nothing would happen. Do you watch Harry Potter? Oh, I love it. The second time I've done this, Zach's out of this conversation. Is this like Fred's like extendable ears? Like could you take the implant and put it under like a door somewhere and go away and it would still go to the part in your head and you could hear really good? Like, can you eavesdrop on people with it? Yeah, actually, if I click on my phone, it connects to my phone and I can turn on live listen and then it just like connects right to my CIs and whatever's going through the microphone on the phone goes directly to my CI. So I could set my phone on this table, go to the other room and I'd hear everything you guys are saying. I feel like this is a superpower. Like this is like CIA shit. Yeah, I do think that's a feature you could do with your phone as well. And that's not as cool. I'm not hearing it in my head. True. You have to use the air pod. So yeah, I guess being able to disguise it, but I am blown away by the tech of that. Just hearing your explanation of it and the fact that you're able to function totally normally with it is amazing. Like, do you feel very blessed that this technology? Because how long has this been around? I mean, there were people who were getting implanted, you know, in the 80s and 90s, but you know, the technology just wasn't there. You know, I was one of the youngest in Iowa to be implanted. And so this was it was basically right when the FDA approved it. Like my mom was on the gun. She went for it. Yeah. Well, she sounds like she's on top of her stuff based on the testing and everything alone. Yeah. And the dehydrated candy. And the dehydrated candy. Wow. So did you ever have to learn ASL or was it just, I'm good with these? Yeah, I did ASL for a little bit. I did it until, I don't know, probably I was roughly kindergarten age and I stopped because I did auditory verbal therapy. And they actually went to the level to where like my audiologist, my auditory verbal therapist, I guess, would make me sit on my hands so that like I wouldn't use my hands to talk. And I just wanted to talk anyway. Like I just stopped using sign language. And my parents were like, well, why are we going to invest the time in learning sign language when he just wants to talk? Yeah. You know, so. So the videos that everyone has seen via social media, always a tearjerker when deaf people get an operation where they can hear like their spouse or their parent or whatever it might be for the first time, is that the operation that they're getting the cochlear implant? Yeah, most of the time. Yeah. So cochlear implant is that like cochlear is a brand. There can be other brands that they do. So there's like Advanced Bionic and that's another popular one. A few other ones that aren't as popular, but cochlear is definitely like the main brand. If someone can't hear and they mainly communicate using ASL, are they someone who hasn't tried a cochlear implant yet or do they not work on certain types of deafness? Yeah, it depends on how you become deaf. That's kind of why I stuttered there for a second when I said, you know, my deafness comes from CMB because if you have damage of the auditory nerve, then the cochlear implant is not going to work at all because that auditory nerve has to be able to sense that there's stuff in the cochlea. And so there's, there are people who have damaged auditory nerves and they're just kind of out of luck. So I don't know, I assume this is true, but this is something that I'm citing as an internet fact that when somebody loses a sense or doesn't have a sense to start with, that the other senses are enhanced. Is that one, an accurate description and two, do you feel like that's true for you? Like, do you have a superior sense of smell or because that you've had the cochlear implant at such a young age, do you feel like you haven't missed out in that capacity? Yeah, that's a great question. I get that one a lot, actually. You know, I do have glasses. I never wear them, but, and I don't think my sense of smell is supersonic or anything. You know, yeah, I don't think my senses are really all that great, to be honest. But yeah, I think it has something to do with the fact that I had my cochlear implants at such a young age. And so I did mention earlier that I was like really sensitive to vibrations when I'm sleeping. So that might be part of the sense that I'm gaining from losing my deafness. Yeah. So, but other than that, yeah, I mean, I don't think I really do. Okay. Does it pivot into backpacking quick? We're going to probably go on a lot of side tracks here, but does it help you sleep at night when you're on trail to be able to take them out? Because then you can't hear like the eerie sounds of nature, or does it make it worse because then you can't hear the eerie sounds of nature? A little bit of both. What I mean by that is because, you know, sometimes, okay, I'll be camping by myself. I do a lot of that and I just take them out and, you know, it just makes me not even think about it because, you know, if there's a bear outside my tent, he just jumps on by. I'm not going to care unless he comes into my tent. That's the other thing that kind of scares me is, you know, I'm in my tent and then a bear comes on in. I'm not going to know until it's on top of me. So, yeah. I think at that point, you're just like, well, God wanted me to go. Yeah, I'd rather not know at that point, I think. Yeah. So I think I lean more on the side of like it helps because then I'm just not thinking about it. Yeah. I don't even like using earplugs because I'm so sensitive to having the feeling of something in my ears, especially when I'm laying down on something. Do you actually feel like, are the implants uncomfortable for you or have you been using them for so long that it just feels second nature? Yeah, it kind of feels second nature. You know, like when I don't wear them, I almost feel naked, to be honest. It's like it's kind of the same concept of glasses. Because I'd imagine it would be so nice to have the option to just turn off all, especially on a windy night. It's not even necessarily the animal sounds, just like the constant inconsistent, almost white noise. That's kept me up so many nights to have the option to opt out of that. It sounds actually pretty sweet. Well, when I camp, like a lot of the times at night, if I can't fall asleep, I'll put in my earplugs and I'll just put them on noise canceling. Like I'm not even listening to music. I just use the noise canceling to try to help with like the twig crack sounds. Yeah. You know, I had people tell me multiple times that they loved camping next to me because then they could just roll around all they wanted in their tent and didn't have to worry about waking anyone else up. That's a good point. Yeah. I will say I can't, on the AT, I hiked for about 600 miles with someone who was deaf and it was hilarious. Like we had a great time. A lot of times it was kind of that where it was like, I know I'm not bothering you, but some of it was just like funny. Like he had a really great sense of humor and I think it just added like an extra element for us. Do you ever like go to a concert and turn the volume up? Because I'm getting to the age now where concerts are too loud for me to be able to control that. You're taking the baby headphones off the twins. To be able to control the volume at a concert, to be like, yeah, turn this racket down a little bit. Is that something that you ever do? I imagine you're controlling the volume on a regular basis. Actually, there's a different settings I can use for different like actual environments. So like when I'm on at a concert, there's a music setting that I can set it to. Wow. And then like if I'm, is that just turning the volume down or what other changes? Yeah. It's just kind of like changing the EQ a little bit to like optimize for music, I guess. Yeah. My audiologist loves it, but I will say the most tragic thing to happen for me at a concert is they die. Oh no. Has that happened? Yeah. Multiple times. Yeah. What concerts? There was a Def Leppard concert I went to in high school. That's a bad one to have. And so you haven't gotten to like the best songs yet because they're not closing and you can see it happen. Oh no. Yeah. At that point you're just people watching, huh? Yeah. Just people watching and then like you're just standing there like, well, this is fun. Do you keep like a set of spare batteries? Like can you, is that a thing? Yeah. I typically bring a spare set, but those of course are the times that I forgot. Yeah. Oh my God. How does one charge get you? Typically it'll get me like 15 hours. Okay. So it's just like, you know, if it's just been a long day, it'll be towards the end of the day that they'll die. Yeah. Is it like, like, let's say you go home. Is it like taking your bra? I know you don't probably take your bra off when you get home, but is it like taking your bra off to take them off? And like, I would imagine probably speak ASL to the people like in your home life to be able to not have to use them for a while. Or is it not like that kind of like, feeling that I'm attributing to taking a bra off? I will say that is something that I would do a lot towards like the first two weeks of school. So like, because if you think about it throughout the summer, you're not really intently listening. You're kind of just doing your own thing. You're having fun, right? And so when you write, when you go back to school, you have to like spend eight hours a day, like really trying to listen. And like for me to actually listen to things and hear things, it takes a lot more effort because I have to like differentiate between different sounds because a lot of the stuff comes in at the same volume. So my brain is kind of adjusted to just kind of focusing in on what I wanted to focus in on. By that, you mean like every background noise. Like if somebody shuffles their chair or you can hear the wind or whatever, a fan blowing, like all that's coming in at the same volume. So it's, you have to be able to discern what you're actually paying attention to. Yeah, kind of. Yeah. I mean, more what I'm getting at is like, you know, fluorescent lights. If it's like above me and it's like buzzing, this one's fine. But, and like someone's trying to talk to me right here and they're both coming in at the same volume. It doesn't, my brain doesn't differentiate it. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. So does this make hiking like the Colorado trail or any trail, does this make just like what might be a mundane making miles part of the hike, like just super wild for you? Cause I imagine being able to hear the leaf cracks, the like tree breeze, like every little thing at the same volume. I just watched all the twilights this past weekend and when Bella got turned to a vampire, she was going through the woods and she was seeing everything super hyper-focused and that was wild. Would it be like that where you're just like hiking and you're just like, whoa, to everything? Cause it's all coming in louder. Or is that just in my head? You know, I think that is, when I was younger, that was a thing. Because then I was like experiencing things for the first time, you know, and being able to like hear different sounds of nature when I was a lot younger was, you know, it was an experience, you know, I wish I could do that again, you know, but yeah, I don't really think so anymore. Just because, you know, I've had these for so long and I've been accustomed to it. It's just, it's just my normal life now. Is there an auditory setting for something like being in the wilderness? Like you mentioned how there's like a music setting. Is there something for being outdoors? I could make a setting. Yeah, probably good. Just basically turn the, you know, higher frequencies down a little bit on my phone and yeah, basically I could. I never have, I usually typically just stay with my everyday setting just because I'm used to it and that's basically the only reason. If you know the first thing about hiking socks, then you are already aware of our next sponsor. Darn Tough is the most trusted sock in hiking and the number one hike sock in the USA. Family owned and made in Vermont, Darn Tough offers the most durable socks guaranteed. In fact, their warranty is famous with hikers because they're unconditionally guaranteed for life. 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Again that code is dtlove-backpackerradioatdarntough.com to get 10% off plus free shipping. This deal is only good for a very limited time so do not wait. Okay let's talk hiking. Oh yeah. So when did the Colorado trail get put on your map? How long have you been hiking? Give us the full like outdoors background. Yeah I've just grown up being outdoors and my mom has taken me out on little day hikes when I was younger and growing up camping. My dad always took me camping a lot when I was growing up and yeah I've always enjoyed it and then I went to college and my buddies and I would go to the boundary waters every summer for a canoe fishing trip and that was always really fun. Did you go to school in Iowa, Minnesota? Yeah I went to school at Iowa State University. Go clones. They've had some good running backs and you weren't there during the Brice Hall years were you? Yes I was. Yeah he's killing it in the Jets. Yeah he's great. I'm watching the 49ers with Brock Purdy right now. Iowa State as well? Yeah. Oh I didn't know that. Yeah that's why. Yeah 49ers have a bad night yesterday or the day before. They've lost a couple games but they're still really good. Just making myself feel better. It was not a good game yesterday. Anyway sorry. Okay so boundary waters in college and then when did the CT get put on your map? Oh yeah so I had a buddy I was just work so I'll back up a second here so I was working in Iowa and I was just I was right after I had graduated college and I had a couple buddies who just went off and you know took like a gap year or I even what really inspired me was I had a buddy who did the PCT and I was like man yeah I really want to do something like that and that really is what inspired me and so I was just like I just googled places in Colorado to go hiking and that's literally all it was and then the Colorado trail came up. Colorado trails. Yeah so what was your longest backpacking trip prior to this? Actual backpacking trip prior to that one would have been like a week in the boundary waters but that was canoeing so I wouldn't even consider that backpacking. Sure. I'd say it was probably just a weekend trip. Okay. Like one or two weekend trips. So what considerations did you have to make for the Colorado trail that maybe someone who didn't have deafness wouldn't have to consider? Like what was it like for you to plan for this trip that set it apart from canoeing or anything different? Yeah I think it was really the battery situation. Trying to figure out how I'm going to keep these things charged because yeah because when I was in the boundary waters I had them dug out because it was so cold and like I forgot to sleep with them. That was a rookie mistake. Always sleep with your batteries. That's very important. Yeah. So is it like your phone where if you are in like my phone it'll do it when I'm at too high of an elevation and it's like exposed and there's cold the phone will just die even if it's fully charged. Yeah. Is it like that with your batteries because they're not really protected much from the elements in your ears. Yeah no that's totally that same thing. Yeah that same concept like I was talking more on like my disposable batteries. The ones I have on right now are my rechargeable batteries. Oh. And so I had a little fob that I could like connect to the portable battery charger and that's what I predominantly used but it broke on me and so I had to use the actual batteries and they dutted out in the boundary waters because it was so cold and that was one big thing that I was really worried about for planning and then yeah it actually happened to me again on the Colorado Trail and I just ended up having another resupply box that had extra batteries in it and so it worked out but I almost went a week without being able to hear on trail. So it gets so cold that the battery just breaks like it's not you can't warm it back up and recharge it. Yeah the so they're like zinc air batteries is what they're called and like when they're exposed to a certain temperature then it just like duds out. Hmm. Yeah it's super weird. When you're talking about disposable batteries are you talking about just like our standard AAAs or are there like how you just unclicked that battery from it? Is it that but you just toss it after each use? Yeah it's kind of like that so there's like a little sheath that comes out and then it holds you know those little like little little batteries. Yeah like the watch ones? Yeah kind of like those that's basically what they're used. So the disposable parts that little circle battery. Yeah. Got it. Yep. So what was it like you said it was a were you a week without proper battery for the? I almost was a week without it but then. It happened to happen at the your resupply. Yeah then I happened to find them at the bottom of my resupply box. Got it. Like thank you. Yeah so did you go imagine something like a half day from the time that it broke to get to town to actually get your resupply? Yeah actually one of them died and all the other so I had my right one which is my favorite one because I had it first and so I favor that side more and so I had that one working and then no more batteries left and then my left one was dead so I'm like well crap I know I have half a day before I can't hear at all. Is it really disorienting for it to only work in one ear because uh you know Apple AirPods sometimes the like the old ones like one of them just won't charge even if it's sitting in the dock so I've been at the gym before where I'm listening to music through one AirPod and for me it's really distracting like I feel like my workout sucks just because I'm so thrown off by having the inconsistent audio is that I imagine for you it's significantly worse. Is it pretty distracting for it only to be registering audio on one side? You know for like the first second it is and then it kind of just goes back to just all right well I know that that's the only side that sounds coming from so I got to tilt my head a little more that way and just kind of unconsciously adjust but yeah I mean other than that yeah I mean it's it just really does suck when that happens in inconvenient times like a concert. How do you handle that when it's on trail because there's a quote I was trying to look it up quick enough but there's a quote from a book I've mentioned on here countless times Spark the Revolutionary New Science Between Exercise and the Brain I highly recommend it still great book but they talk about people that are I think it was in this book they talked about it people that are left alone like to their own thoughts and how a percentage that's higher than I would have expected of these people would rather be like subjected to mild electric shocks than left alone with their own thoughts and like no other noise for you know a day longer you know it was 15 minutes I think is what the study was it was super small and it basically was just going to like back this evidence that like people aren't comfortable spending time with themselves like in their own thoughts that sort of thing to to lose hearing on a trail and to have to go like a day two days even when you were talking about the canoeing trip however long that was before getting it back how is your mental like overall wellness adjusting to I mean I assume in these settings where they're doing these studies they have the choice like I can quit the study I can leave the room I can go hear things and I've seen people on trail where they haven't talked to anyone in like five days and they look different how how do you see that happen and take something like that that happens to you on trail and a what does it do to you mentally and b how do you combat not being able to flip that back on yeah it's a really interesting thing because you know there's weekends that I'll go camping and I'll just not have messy eyes on and for me it's a place that I can really just think things through and be by myself and so I actually do enjoy that time and I you know I'm an introvert I'm an extrovert you know I guess I'm a little more of an introvert now just since COVID and everything else you know I do like being on my own now and just kind of taking them off and being in my own little world because that's really what it is I'm in my own little world and so I guess like on a trail sense you know it does get a little scary at first because then you're like when the first time that it happened where like they died on trail and I was just like almost a day without being able to hear outside I was just constantly like panning my surroundings just constantly because you know I don't know if there's another hiker coming along I don't know if there's you know I'm gonna run come up on something that might not be very friendly so yeah there's definitely times that it is a little scary but I've become accustomed to it. To that question did you have anyone that you could reach out to as a resource prior to the CT who was deaf that you could ask these questions to? I had nobody I just kind of figured it out figured out as I went nobody I knew who was deaf had ever done anything like this I guess and so I just I'm a big fan of just going for it. It's a good attitude. Is there any sort of community Facebook group whatever platform it might be where you have access to other people where you could ask this question and you're like hey has anyone done long-distance backpacking and everyone's just crickets? Yeah I mean there's actually a couple different Facebook groups where there's you know families who have cochlear implants they can like the parents can talk on there and I actually grew up attending a cochlear implant family camp and so I met a lot of people from all over the United States who also had cochlear implants because you know growing up in Iowa small town Iowa you're not going to have anybody in a 100 mile radius who's also deaf. You mentioned before we hit record that your graduating class was 23 people? 28. 28. No short you those five people yeah so you get a small town. What was the population of your town? Oh probably like a thousand people okay yeah it's small yeah it's pretty small I mean it was literally yeah like 30 minutes away from Des Moines. Are there any trail specific groups like Facebook groups that are long-distance focused for people that have like hearing disabilities? No not that I know of that's a good idea though I might do that tonight. Well I mean I hiked with Mr Perfect and he was deaf and then he had a friend that we spoke to several times that wasn't hiking but she came to trail day so I had met her too and I know there's a few others that have like come across the radar but I think that would be a great resource for like you guys to have with each other. Just before we move too far off the your your implants die while hiking how do you handle that topic? A lot of things that you'll hear when people aren't thriving at a long-distance hike like a lot of it comes down to all the alone time right like there's so much time with your own mind there's so much time where you're not stimulated by other things and I think when we're just constantly fed just like social feeds to scroll through content here and there a tv on in the background that's where like you start to see people like I mentioned the one who hadn't talked to someone for five days where they just seem unwell right like they're not doing good and I know that can bring a lot of people off trail as someone who will go weekends where you just take them out and actually enjoy it do you have tips for people for hiking without sounds to keep them stimulated while hiking or to make it seem less jarring for them like are there things they can do that make it better if they're not one that usually thrives in that setting? Yeah I mean I would say first off you gotta like your inner monologue you know you gotta be best friends with your inner monologue because otherwise it's gonna be a battle you know because if you aren't best friends with your inner monologue then you're gonna be just you know fighting each other and really what it comes down to is are you comfortable by yourself and if you're kind of uncomfortable in those settings and you know you just kind of gotta go back to you know why does it make you uncomfortable because there's probably a reason and there's probably something deeper that stems from that. How did you get comfortable with yourself? I assume based on my this is based on me but I assume not everyone's born comfortable with themselves I assume it takes effort assuming you're not just naturally comfortable with yourself how do you get there? Oh man that's a tough one. That's a deep question. That's very deep. Now you have to give us therapy. Making it easy for Zach's follow-up. I don't know it just seems like you're doing really well with it. Yeah well I appreciate it I appreciate it yeah I mean I um what I kind of did was I just you know took it step by step you know because I first day that happened to me and I just kind of you know I couldn't do anything about it you know I didn't have my garment yet and so you know that would happen a lot growing up you know I'd be at school and they would die and I wouldn't have batteries I have to go the rest of the day without being able to hear and so I guess just that those little moments of exposure of you know have being forced to be by yourself in your own little world that kind of culminated to an extended period of time that can happen. So like doing a shakedown hike but like a quiet yeah shakedown like a yeah like do do little shakedown hikes basically where you like maybe first day you go by yourself and then the second day you have a friend that comes out and meets you um that's that'd be a good way to do it or vice versa where you go out with two people and then you just you stay an extra day by yourself. I was thinking even smaller like just sitting on the couch without using my you know like before you even go outside just sit there and don't touch the phone for an hour you know yeah yeah yeah definitely don't touch the phone. Do you have to worry about them getting wet like is it a concern if it's raining outside? Oh yeah yeah yeah it's like they're more water resistant now but yeah back in the day like you had to take them off like it was super sensitive to water and one thing I'll say about that camp that I grew up going to is they had a pool party every year and if you imagine this scenario where you put a bunch of deaf people into a pool and they don't have waterproof stuff yet the lifeguards are gonna love you because they're blowing their whistles they're doing all that they can and you no one in the pool is even listening to you they can't hear you and so I mean like it's just crazy to see how technology has advanced because you know when you go to that camp now everyone has their waterproof stuff on and so like yeah now it's a little more waterproof or resistant than it was. What areas would you like to see improvement with the tech like you mentioned that it's advanced from like a waterproofness standpoint what areas do you see it could potentially still have room for improvement? Oh yeah I mean it's improving every year there's another upgrade that I could get and so basically what they're doing with their new upgrade now is you can go to an airport and it'll automatically connect to the bluetooth there and they'll tell you like when you're boarding and all that and you can connect to any bluetooth device basically. Can someone hack your mind then? I hope not. Can I just like how the airport would bluetooth to your sounds can I bluetooth to it and be like I'm in your head you know like is that a possibility? I'm not saying it's crazy I'm saying it's scary. I feel like that's very possible. Yeah yeah that's definitely possible I don't know I hope not but uh that'd be scary. Are you excited about those advancements or is that kind of like freaky because that kind of freaks me out a bit? Yeah I mean I'm excited because I mean they're doing it in the right mind I hope so. Yeah it seems out of kindness. Yeah I mean out of kindness I hope but yeah I mean other than that I mean I don't know because like it seems like each model that they make it gets smaller and smaller and they actually have one now where it's without the actual processor that goes on your head but the magnet and it's just the little magnet it's like that big. That's interesting because I'm thinking of this from the standpoint of like just getting you to the point where you can hear like the normal person the person with normal hearing but what you're describing are enhancements that are even beyond what somebody with that level of hearing has. I guess it opens up a whole train of ideas for ways that it could you could be enhanced beyond you mentioned being able to know when you're boarding but there's probably infinite possibilities in that standpoint. Yeah tons I mean like it would be really cool to just have like a little like basically you don't even have to wear your processor every day but it's like all internal then you like wear your processor to charge it kind of like air charge or like you know you have your little pod that you set your phone on and it automatically charges without having to plug in like that'd be kind of cool. Yeah because I remember for a while sorry to cut you off Jones but you're probably more relevant than mine. For a while the buzzword was augmented reality and we're seeing this now with like Google Glass and now Apple's got this too about like the way that you visually interface with the world and it giving you more context than you would otherwise have. From an auditory standpoint thinking of hiking like if you heard like a bird call and that's what I was saying about nature being wild. Yeah being able to have the implant be like oh that is the blue-footed booby. Oh that'd be so cool. That's that goes back to your Tony Stark stuff where you wanted the Iron Man suit. Totally. That's a feature the Iron Man suit. Well I was gonna ask on the same realm of wild like if there's any upgrades that have been made yet where it can hear different languages and it still transmits English to you. No there hasn't been one of those but there has been one I actually really don't like this setting. I currently have it but I don't have it turned on and what it does is it's called like zoom and so if there's like a crowd of people around me and I face this one person that I want to listen to it'll like zoom in on that person that I want to listen to and it'll kind of cut everyone else out but yeah it doesn't really work when you're like in a basement and like your mom or whoever screams from the first floor then because then it's like well it's listening to the air conditioner but then it doesn't quite know if that other sound coming from somewhere else. It doesn't know what to focus in on. Yeah then it just kind of screws it up. Right. This is going to be probably my dumbest question of the night. Yeah. I don't know it's hard to ever tell. The night is young. We got time. Do people ever use these that don't need them like if you're not hard of hearing is because I feel like some of the stuff you're saying sounds really like I'm kind of not like not jealous obviously I'm very grateful for the hearing I have but it sounds really cool to be able to zoom in on certain things and make things louder like I struggle when there's a lot of noises going on at once. Yeah. Are there people that use these things that don't need them because it's just like like really cool or strategic? I don't know. I just feel like that's it sounds like a superpower to me. It is you know I mean to an extent yeah it is a superpower. I mean with technology the way it is now if you told someone in the 1800s what I could do they'd be like what planet are you from? Yeah. So it's insane to think about but um no I haven't really known anyone just because the fact that insurance is such a battle um especially back in the day like when I first got them my mom was she's the rock star like she wrote letters on letters on letters just to get insurance approval. How much do they cost? I mean we were paying oh shoot I mean they're probably I probably have like I don't know half a million dollars in my head. Shut up. No. Just the part that's inside? Oh all of it like external internal surgery everything yeah. Wow. Does the implant itself I'm thinking like fake joints they have a lifespan of 20 years is this something that has to be refreshed on a on a bait on a consistent basis? Yeah the they gave the internal stuff like 18 years okay and I'm well past that I'm 23 um and so it's kind of like any day now I asked my audiologist like what she thought would be kind of when I'd need to be re-implanted um and she's just like you know it could be 10 years from now could be you know five years from now it could be next year. Is the only consideration that the sound part stops is it not like the the stuff that makes it like deteriorates the grades gets absorbed by brain goo? Yeah. I don't know how I don't know how a lot of things work. Oh it's all good it's all good yeah I mean it's just really like the lifespan of the technology if it is able to last that long um internally um because those internal devices don't get touched you know because you have surgery to get them put it in and then that's it. When you switch to a new one is it going to be like getting the same thing like you leave the same person as you entered or is it like upgrading like your you know 97 Toyota Camry to the newest Range Rover? It'll be like upgrading kind of like to a Range Rover because it'll be different technology there'll be because nowadays it's just an outpatient there like procedure when I got them like I had to stay in the hospital for a couple days and I had this big old bandage around me and like it was it did not look pretty I had like these big scars and now you know it's just a little slit behind the ear and then they slide the little magnet in and they're able to do everything with the cochlea all within an outpatient procedure. Can you feel it? Yeah I mean can I touch it? Yeah. So is that where the cochlea is like that far above the actual ear or is it I thought the cochlea was inside the ear? I don't feel it because it's right there yeah so it's it's it's like a slight little bump there but um yeah so that's how it's held on to my head is a magnet. Wow. Yeah you mentioned at the top of the interview that there were other um ramifications I'm not sure of being deaf or you say CMV was the yeah can you look that up yeah yeah it's bothering me so much. Cytomegalovirus? Yes that's it yes. Okay okay you mentioned that like um that your immune system is compromised because of is that because of the deafness or because of the virus itself? I'd say that one was because of the virus itself okay um and so like growing up like I would brush my teeth twice a day like every other kid right but I would get cavities on cavities yes I had to convince people growing up that I brushed my teeth twice a day and floss every day because I would just keep getting cavities and you know it just yeah so they think that has something to do with CMV like a weak um enamel basically um and then like the part that comes with the deafness is I don't have balance so I don't have the liquid in the semicircular canals that give people balance and so like how does that play out I'm very clumsy well there's some like steep I mean there's not like I don't like steep things there's not scary stuff on the Colorado trail but there's some there are some ridges yeah does that like screw you up well definitely um there was actually when we got to the high point of the Colorado trail we did an alpine start um and that was actually my first 30 mile day that was that was awesome my trail family is awesome for pushing me to do that but anyway so we woke up at like 2 30 in the morning and started hiking and it was complete darkness you know but the stars were out and that was kind of helpful but I had to have my headlamp on like the brightest it could go and even with that I was using my trekking poles side to side basically holding myself up walking on basically four legs just to stay up with the rest of the trail family yeah are there other so you mentioned the battery's dying you mentioned uh balance being a challenge are there other things that are not obvious that would be make something like this more challenging um yeah I think it would just be really the clumsiness um that's a really big thing and another one that a lot of people don't think about is swimming so when I'm swimming like and I can't see which way is up or down I don't like that idea where where to go yeah so like when I was younger I got pushed into the lake we were boating and I think it was my friend's dad like who pushes a deaf kid into the water yeah like a young kid makes sense because yeah they're dumb but like someone's dad is that I would be mad about that yeah so anyway besides that um I like get into the water and I don't have my life jacket on and so I'm swimming and I open my eyes and I quickly realize I can't see where the sun is no because that's exactly what I look for is where's the sun because that tells me where to go and so I just picked a direction started swimming I eventually hit the bottom of the lake no could kicked myself up and do you feel your ears popping like you get that like I'm going too deep ear poppy feeling yeah kind of so I kind of could tell that I'm getting towards the bottom um and so yeah I do get that only in my left ear though because I don't have an eardrum in my right side whoa okay so like if you go to the bottom of a pool your ears don't always pop no not always no or like even when I go on a plane they sometimes won't sometimes my left one will but other than that not normally did your mom have some choice words for your friend's dad I didn't tell her she's gonna find out I think she's gonna write a sternly worded letter is she gonna know who it is yeah um okay so Colorado Trail it's the Colorado Trail surprised me because I live in Colorado I think I know Colorado like I've been here and then there's so much of it that's above tree line for so long and the one thing I took note of when I left the Colorado Trail is how much your day revolves around weather and doing other trails first you think you understand that until you get even people that do the con on the by trail from what I've talked to people that I've done it about say that when they get to Colorado it's a different beast and I think just the weather and the lightning and the unpredictability of the storms really impacts your day how does that impact having the implants in with the water and the wetness and the waterproof and then also like do you hike with them out at times and then does that impact your ability to hear thunder or anything like that I mean obviously you can see when it's getting stormy but what is that like going through um terrain like that yeah no you hit the nail on the yeah you hit the nail on the head there with that because I mean when you're up at tree line and you start seeing these you know storms come in and it's starts pelting rain you know I have to take them off you know I'm not going to keep them on and so yeah it does become kind of tough I have never been in a situation like that where I was by myself and had that happen to me but I was hiking with people on the Colorado trail pretty consistently I started it by myself but then ended up meeting a pretty cool trail family and we kind of stuck together and there was a girl yeah she was like a backpacking guide and knew all the stuff that you need to know and so that was super helpful to be a part of that and so I would yeah in that one situation it was just pelting rain we were basically above tree line I took them off and you know just followed her are there any tips that you gathered after like now that's in the back of the memory bank we're here is there anything you learned from it that you would give as advice to someone who's also deaf who might have the Colorado trail or any other trail with weather on their like to-do list that would help them yeah I would say have a ziplock bag at your side like just in your little you know hip belt pocket because then you can quickly just put them in there and then you're good and then also make sure you have a rain jacket that can cinch down at the top because sometimes you don't always want to take them off and you know if it's raining pretty hard you can you know put your hood up and cinch it down and you're pretty well covered what do you use for rain jacket I just have an REI rain jacket that I got on sale yeah nice I've got a patent yeah you know how a lot of places Katabatic especially because I just memorized their ad read but places will do down hoods and you can just get the hood that's down I feel like it'd be helpful for places to do just down they're not down but rain jacket hoods like not the rain jacket but just the hood yeah because then you can just have sure or making a hood that is completely waterproof because there's always the trade-off between having the breathability and something that actually keeps the rain out yeah like the Buzz Lightyear hat yeah but yeah for Brady's standpoint having something where no moisture is getting in that seems like a feature that would be paramount for you yeah that'd be awesome yeah that'd be awesome I mean it can handle some moisture but I'm just kind of iffy about it yeah I feel like that's not something you want to test yeah so you mentioned the balance in the context of navigating like alpine terrain when it's dark out and that being challenging but so much with backpacking requires good balance like even like when you're navigating roots and rocks and all that were you having to be more careful than other people in your trail family just going on normal terrain and like is this something that you had to communicate with them like hey guys I might be lagging behind a little bit so don't wait up for me or do wait up or whatever it might be I'm just curious to know if like this is a conversation that you had to have with your trail family yeah I mean I don't know if I explicitly had that conversation but you know we'd be hiking along and I'd trip and I'm like ah jeez why does this keep happening I'm like well I know why this keeps happening I have zero balance you know and then that'd spark a conversation but so they were aware of it and they would just you know we'd always have that conversation of hey we're camping around this area and so if I lost them then no big deal but yeah I mean in the case of like really rocky terrain like I go a lot slower than most people just because of that exact same thing like I'm gonna if I really hurt myself out here like which I'm really prone to doing I hurt myself a lot then that would not be good you also mentioned that you got a Garmin at some point during the hike is that now something that you'll just be backpacking with forever yeah forever I mean a couple weekends ago I did the Aspen to Crespid Butte and back like that was really fun but I just had my Garmin on me it was just a day hike yeah and so I do that every time now I got my Garmin before the CT I actually got it basically like a couple months right beforehand just so that I could you just Aspen and Crespid Butte and back in a day yeah that's a big day yeah is that the four pass loop yeah it was yeah it wasn't the full four pass loop okay you could go one direction with it uh I mean that is a big day it's a very big day 21 miles yeah nonchalant yeah but I heard those miles are harder than regular miles well did you do the the um West Maroon Pass yes portion of that okay yeah West Maroon Pass yeah it was just I had a buddy come up from Texas he came from Texas you made him do that in a day he wanted me to do it and he did it no problem yeah yeah it was that same buddy who did the PCT yeah his name is Travis he's a cool guy he's gonna be listening to this but so now that you've got the Colorado Trail under your belt would you feel comfortable going out and doing solo backpacking or where are you gonna feel are you gonna try to arrange a situation where you've got a trail family with you at all times I actually went into the Colorado Trail kind of knowing that I would be by myself for most of the time I didn't expect to have such a big trail family like I did um like by the time we ended you know we called ourselves the dirty bubble uh because we were like the bubble of the Colorado Trail and like we had like 18 people 18 damn yeah and like we had this uh lady in our trail family who had a house in Durango and so we had like this big old like ending party and like you know I my trail experience feels a little different than most people because like they don't a lot of people say that the Colorado Trail is something that they don't really like deem as a social trail right I feel like it's getting there it's getting there it really is yeah this summer was there was a lot of people what was your start date uh July 1st and when'd you finish August 2nd yeah August 2nd yeah do you have any standout like I'm big on stories I like being able to not in a lazy way but I like being able to sit back and listen to you tell me a nice story that I can kind of just like get into yeah do you have any standout stories from the Colorado Trail that are like noteworthy to share um you know I guess yeah I do I have a couple so there's one where uh I think you guys would like this for your shit book well it's not a shit book I love that no it's a shit book it's a shit book about absolutely a shit book about the turds and go back to our segments that the listeners haven't heard yet right um yeah I mean this isn't my poop story but I met this guy named shitfoot love it I mean already right there it was just the way he told it it was just hilarious um he was hiking the at um and he was like running to a bathroom like a pit toilet and it was like pouring rain and he had just gotten back from town and he like stepped in shit but this was like someone had like gone like running to the pit toilet but then couldn't make it all the way and so then they dug a hole in the trail did their business like right in the middle of the trail yeah did their business and then didn't even cover it up yeah and so he built a shit trench yeah fully stepped in it like in the shoe everything it was yeah it got in his shoe yeah and yeah so he went to the toilet did his thing then went back to his girlfriend he's like hey we're going back to town right circling back to what the listener has not yet heard yeah this will make sense when you've gotten to the end of the episode we're coming to you from the future here this is another reason for no to shoeys right it depends on the shoe but yeah I guess most people have probably stepped in shit unknowingly over 2650 although I would think most of them didn't get shit in their shoe you never know yeah yeah I've got a note here that your trail name is undies yes what's the story oh that's a fun story yeah I was staying at this hostel in Breckenridge and they had a hot tub and so you know naturally I asked hey can I just wear my underwear in the hot tub you didn't say undies no I didn't say undies that's not the reason why I'm called undies either and so I am sitting in the hot tub that goes as normally as it could go with one sitting in a hot tub with their underwear anyway so fast forward and I hang my underwear on the bunk because I have to leave the next morning and I wanted them to be dry so I can get hiking in the morning and I'm like two or three miles in and I realize I don't have my underwear I have my shit pair of underwear I didn't actually shit in them but they're just like they're just not my good pair of underwear is what I'm getting at yeah they're not my good pair of underwear yeah but my nice pair of underwear is like the marina wool like super nice right and what's the not nice pair for some amazon brand spiderman yeah they're my true undies and so I used my garment I texted my mom because there's nobody else I knew that would actually do anything about like if I were to text my buddy be like hey I left my underwear in the hostel he's gonna be like okay so my mom she calls the hostel and leave and the guy at the hostel puts my mom on speakerphone in front of all these hikers who know you that I had met the previous day and so these hikers are just like well okay um they're just cracking up I mean I wasn't actually there what was she saying she was like hey my son forgot his underwear on the bunk um and so yeah and so these hikers are just like we'll get him his underwear we'll burn it to him and so they like change their entire plan and they grab my underwear and start hiking and I like kind of had a sense that somebody was going to burn them to me but I didn't know how so they cleaned yeah they were clean okay how uncomfortable are you with someone else just like bringing you your own underwear I feel like I'd rather them burn them I was like I can just find some in Twin Lakes right it's my nice pair yeah but um yeah so they I was a couple days later like over this was over a couple days like they were hiking extra miles to catch up with me and so I kind of knew that someone was trying to catch up so I just like slowed down a little bit and I was eating lunch on top of zero pass and there were like a bunch of other random hikers and I just hear these people like screaming Brady they're like waving my underwear running up the mountain how they know it was you well I think it was because of my sun shirt is what they said okay because I have I had like a really like tan like not tan but like a blue sun shirt and I always wore the hood up because the wind was super bad with my ci's and so yeah and other people were just looking around like they gave me my underwear they said that uh my trail name was now undies that's a good way to get a trail name yeah so you already know that Zach and I are massive fans of Katabatic's quilts which we've collectively used for many thousands of miles but did you know that Katabatic also makes incredible ultra light down jackets as well they offer two models the lighter tarn and the warmer tin cup in both men's and women's sizing options both models feature 850 plus fill power hyper dry down which means that these jackets are incredibly warm lightweight and will shed moisture much more effectively than untreated down I've been rocking the Katabatic tin cup in recent weeks and let me tell you this is my new favorite down jacket this thing weighs 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know the ziplock bags um and then i would say another thing would be to be more communicative with the people i'm hiking with about like hey like if i'm not up at this time like you should probably wake me up yeah because you mentioned your alarm that vibrates you awake i assume you didn't bring that with no i just had my phone yeah does the phone vibrate enough to actually get you up half the time okay so you're good at sleeping in yeah i'm good at sleeping in yeah i've gotten better over the years but um on the trail i actually i just ended up putting it inside my like little pillow um i have those like the nemo inflatable pillow and so it has that little like case around it and so then when i put that in that little case on the bottom side then it wakes me up the question that fits between whatever question before came before zacks and zacks i think this is a pre-zac question because he was saying what would you do for next hikes my question is did you like this hike and would you do another one oh yeah i want to do the pct what would be different scaling this up to six months for you it would be assuming it would take that long yeah yeah no i mean it would probably take me six months um i i think the biggest challenge would be the resupplies because like getting extra batteries because one thing that i noticed was i was carrying a lot of extra batteries just out of fear and like when they die i can't just throw them away like i'm stuck with that weight you know and so like when i throw them away it has to be you know because it's not environmentally friendly just to throw batteries into the woods so i guess that would be one thing i would look into more is probably have more frequent resupplies so i didn't have to carry as many batteries um and so that would be the challenge for the pct i think how much do they weigh um i didn't weigh them out but they're not terribly heavy they're like when a pack of them comes with those like little watch batteries of like six of them like nine of them actually yeah it's nine batteries and so what's really bad about them is since they're zinc air batteries they can't touch each other and so what i tried doing before that i went on the ct was i tried putting them all in like a baggie so it was just like a bag full of batteries but i can't do that with them because apparently something with them coming in contact with each other duds them out oh that's a hard lesson to learn yeah yeah that was a really hard lesson did you learn that on trail i was doing like a weekend trip yeah yeah and i went the last day without being able to use testing battery after battery and like slowly it's realizing yeah oh yeah what ratio or maybe you could do absolute number would you do of rechargeable versus non-rechargeable batteries if you're just going to start fresh with a new backpacking trip yeah i would probably do like say if i were going to be out there for a week i would do probably like three days worth of disposable batteries and then the rest would be just be the rechargeables or i can use the ones that are on my head and there's like a little fob that i can plug that's like a little usb charger basically and that plugs into any portable charger and so i can use that as my predominant source but what sucks about it is when i was doing that i would only have one extra rechargeable battery and so then i'd have like a rotation of the three but then at a certain point i ended up just because i'd be lazy and i'd be like oh it died and so i wouldn't do it for a little bit and i'd just have one that was not dead for a little bit and then i'd end up with two that were dead and then that would be tragic and so and then i just ended up being in a cycle where i would constantly have one dead battery this might actually be my dumbest question of the episode now that i'm thinking it through yeah you mentioned that it connects to your phone if you're listening to music or a podcast while hiking do you this seems like i'm answering my own question you don't need headphones you don't need to put in air pods it just goes through those no i have the og air pods yeah yeah i've i've only just like i i understood it was dumb as i asked it but i've only just put that together that well i guess you save weight on not needing regular headphones then like that's kind of a trade-off yeah i suppose with half a milli worth of gear on your head how bad is it if you were to lose and or break one uh pretty bad like is it like like is it like a major stressor or is it just like it's chill i mean right now it's kind of chill i have a couple other um cochlear implants just throughout the years i've kind of collected them like my pretty my old ones that still work so and i'm pretty good friends with my audiologist and so she actually gave me an extra pair of ci's to bring with me on the trip um and so that was super clutch that was really nice um because those are not cheap um and yeah it kind of is a little bit of a crisis mode when one of them does die i mean when one of them does break or get lost um because you could be you know a week or you know two weeks without it depending on how long it takes for cochlear to get a new one out to you and you know the cost of them and insurance and warranties like it's a whole different world um and like dealing with insurance is not fun um i will say that insurance does not want people to hear i don't i don't understand it they want to make as much money as possible and the health care they provide be damned yeah yeah exactly it's does that affect like okay so when a lot of people go hiking me for example when i did pct i might have barely been on my parents health insurance at i definitely wasn't on my parents health insurance that one now that we're four years removed i can comfortably without getting scolded say i did not have health insurance for um i quit my job on a friday i started hiking on a sunday i yoloed the whole thing nice and i know a lot of travelers insurance or anything nope i said let's see what happens jewels yeah well listen it's been almost five years we can skim past that now but i know for a lot of people that hike i'm not the only one that does that a i will put my foot down on that but b i know there's a lot of people that struggle to figure out how to get insurance for something like taking time off to do a hike is that something that you can work with where it's like travelers insurance or other things with your hearing aids or is that something where you need to like have a job that has this like corporate insurance type thing to be able to make sure that you have the coverage for should anything go wrong with these in the future like is this like binding you to like the corporate world kind of is yeah and that's kind of the sad part about it is yeah i do need insurance if i don't and something happens to them that's going to be not great um and so thank god i'm 23 and not 26 yeah yeah so i'm kind of i'm actually in talks right now because i just started a new job um and we're kind of thinking about do i just go on my own insurance now or i'm trying to lean towards convince my mom be like hey can i just stay on like all my older older brothers got to why can't i yeah if anything you have more of a need right exactly so we'll see could you get sponsorships for it at some point like is it like if i if i hike a bunch right now and i can kind of get the word out then implant people that make this brand like would sponsor me to be able to keep doing further things like this or are you like is this like a road that you can ride until you're 26 and then you have to put health first um i think i could get sponsors yeah i definitely could um it would be more along the lines of sponsorship um to get insurance like they would give me the the money to be able to have insurance kind of thing because like they wouldn't be like oh we're gonna take you because we're the company that has cochlear implants and like that would be cochlear because you know there's other medical expenses that could happen you know um and so like meaning just my stomach hurts i need some medicine you know um and so i couldn't just predominantly be under like cochlears um sponsorship for that um it would be more along the lines of yeah hey here's health insurance um and so yeah that's another thought process that i have for doing the pct sooner so that i can do it without having an actual job yeah um and so that makes sense i know part of the inspiration for doing the ct was to inspire others who are deaf or hard of hearing to pursue their dreams have you had other people reach out to you since you've completed the ct asking your asking you questions and just saying that they were motivated by your journey yeah i've had a couple people actually it was more like parents of kids um and so actually um last weekend i did a fundraiser with the listen foundation um and so what the listen foundation does is basically they help families who are deaf and hard of hearing and their their kids have um an implantable device helps them get auditory verbal therapy all the resources that they need to help pay for stuff and it's a really great organization and it helps that camp that i grew up attending and now volunteer for um and so when i was at that event i had a couple parents like come up to me and be like hey my kid wants to go backpacking now because you've done this my kid wants to start playing guitar and because you you play guitar you know and all this stuff i was playing guitar for the event basically let's talk about that because i've got a note here about your guitar playing as well how does that interface with being hard of hearing or does it like the fact that you're a good guitar player is that independent of the fact that you have this deafness or um do you think how does it interface i guess it's a simple way of asking the question i actually started playing guitar around the same time i got my second implant um and that was probably around yeah five or six years old and i guess i i like challenges not just guess i took it as a challenge and just went for it and it also got stems from the fact that you know my grandpa he's really into the blues and i grew up going to a lot of concerts and that kind of bred me into being a guitar player um but to answer your question um no i don't think it really interfaces much it's just really um becomes more challenging i guess um and i've gotten to the point with my guitar playing that it it's a stress reliever more than anything and i really enjoy it what style guitar do you play um electric acoustic mostly blues though i really like the blues do you play solo or in a band and is it difficult playing with a band because you mentioned previously being able to like discern different uh audio inputs can be a challenge yeah it is i i mostly play by myself but i am looking for a band right now i played in a band for i think a year and a half in college my last yeah senior year of college um and what i learned a lot through that is the bass and the drums help a lot so i kind of have to like position myself to where i can like be right next to the drummer and kind of also next to the bassist and kind of like be able to actually feel their um their tempo and their rhythm have you ever tried playing without the implants in like just going off of muscle memory yeah what's that experience like yeah i mean it's i don't know i don't i don't hear what i'm playing yes you know it's um more along the lines of you know i am more attentive to where my fingers are being placed on the fretboard um and so actually i do that as a practice sometimes where i'll just play without being able to hear just so that i know that like i can feel every little note that my fingers are hitting um and just feel the vibration of the guitar because when i know when there's a certain amount of vibration on the guitar that i actually hit that note and so when i focus on that then i realize that i'm a more precise player that's interesting yeah i play to a lesser extent and yeah you know when you're in the wrong part of the frets like it feels wrong right you know when you hit a bad note yeah you play guitar we've talked about this in a previous episode but what six years ago it's been a long i don't play regularly anymore but i can confidently handle a guitar and the drums just validating his point that you know when you don't get it right that just wants to be able to relate that's right yeah okay with what you were talking about with the insurance and the cost of these and all the ways that they can get fucked on the trail it doesn't seem like the outdoors is the most accessible place for someone with a hearing issue and is that like is there something that the outdoors i'm saying the outdoors in like a broader scene like the broader scheme of the outdoors is there something the outdoors in general can do to make the outdoors more accessible to people with hearing issues or is this strictly like a insurance side of things where the outdoors is accessible enough but it's the like hoops that you have to jump through on that end that are causing the headaches like what where's the middle ground what can be done to make this something where people who have implants for hearing can more comfortably get outside and enjoy it yeah i mean i'm actually really trying to think of ways this is that reason because right now i'm a junior board member of the listen foundation and i'm hoping through that i can kind of come up with a way to be able to bridge that gap because there are a lot of families who it seems like it's more the hoops that you have to jump through and insurance just consumes too much of the time and then too much of the time to be able to actually you know get your kid outdoors and be able to you know show them the true bliss of nature you know and so really i think what it comes down to is just the awareness and the ability to actually spend the time like taking your kids from a younger age early intervention is what they call it for getting your coconut implants earlier on when you're young and so basically getting them outdoors and making that mindset switch from oh i can't do this because of this i feel like that's got to be hard for the parents because like you look at kids outside and i feel like when i think of a kid outdoors if i think about myself in my neighbor's stream when i was growing up like it's chaos like i just want to slap everything and mush the mud and like splash and i feel like if i just dropped bank on these implants for my kid and i take them outside and i see them being a kid outside like i'm having a panic attack inside about what if these things break fall out get lost anything um how do you even approach making that better because i feel like there's got to be just anxiety and stress all around that yeah i think it's got to come down to the insurance because there's got to be more leeway of like oh i lost an implant and he's replaced you know there's got to be more um yeah i think it starts at the insurance because then if you don't have that actual backing or that mental backing of like oh we're covered we're good if something happens um then i think that's where you'll start seeing that shift are there insurance policies that do it better than others like i know insurance through what my company provides for me like i know the brand that i have but are there companies that do this better than others or are more accommodating you know give more or less whoopee yeah i don't quite know um specific insurance companies that are better than others but i do know that like some families um actually get medicare um just based on like their you know age and like the disability that they have and all that like i was on or what is it medicaid or medicare which one's for the older people um medicare i believe is for the plus 65 because medicaid would be the one that i had then uh hold on hold on they could give them more medicare medicare is the federal health insurance for anyone age 65 and older and some people under 65 with certain disabilities or conditions medicaid is a joint federal and state program that gives health coverage to some people with limited income and resources okay so i i qualified for medicare because of my disability um and then there's a certain point that they say oh he doesn't qualify anymore because he can talk and he can hear and so then i'm not eligible for that anymore so they give you the hearing implant so that you can hear and then they're like he can hear now he doesn't qualify yeah basically that's very fucked up yeah so fucked up that's very fun and so we had to go on to our own insurance you know and so that that's what i'm saying like it's a really big deal because a lot of these companies that are what they're doing is if your kid needs a cochlear implant these insurance companies are like talking to the hospital and seeing how much business that this insurance company does with the hospital and then they decide on how much profit that they want to make based on how much business that insurance company does with that specific hospital is there a way like let's talk about we're that we're the listener we're listening to this episode you know it's come into a close is there an actionable way for us to do anything about it or is this just one of those like thank you sir may i have another's where like we're just getting like shit fed to us and we just got to eat it like what can you actually do about it to improve the situation at all yeah it's tough because i mean without having to like go i mean i could go to washington maybe and maybe get some bills passed or something to actually drive forward the change that needs to happen with our insurance policies um then i don't quite know um because i mean going back to just getting people outdoors who maybe have been limiting themselves who otherwise should not be limiting themselves because there was a switch that was flipped in my head that like said i'm not going to let this control what i want and don't want to do what was that um that was in middle school actually at the cochlear implant family camp i was uh rock climbing and i was like man like what was stopping me from doing this before um and from then on i just kind of had that same mindset of you know i'm not going to let my disability you know affect what i want to do with my life it's uh really more of the ability to not hear when i choose because that's how i think about it it also sounds like your mom is an awesome advocate in this because she's in the medical care system like she knows the levers that need to be pulled um to that point i recently maybe this is an actionable tip for somebody listening to this but insurance will shoot down a lot of the things that you try to do to benefit your own health and i use chat gpt to because they said that one of like the blood tests that i was getting was not covered on my insurance plan and i legitimately input that test and i forget the name of the uh official form that you're supposed to file to protest it but i put that into chat gpt and it spit out like a long letter and like it had me insert specific things that were true to my specific case um but i was and it ended up working it ended up working what they say just like sorry they just ended up so i what i gather with health insurance at least in my personal case i can't speak to the broad spectrum or certainly brady's case but it seems like a lot of times if you put effort into fighting the stuff there are enough instances where they will back down and accommodate you i think they're used to people not fighting and just being bulldozed by the terrible system but if you do show some resistance there is a fighting chance i have this is money with katie again a great podcast if anyone's interested in that sort of thing but the money with katie stuff she had posted um just like one of the weeks when she was doing a deep dive on something was like the different codes that they use for health insurance and how a lot of the times if you go to the doctor and you end up with a big bill if you look up the different codes that they plug certain things in for a lot of them are oftentimes like and egregiously so marked incorrectly and like getting those fixed like they're apparently apparently this is like a thing where you can i never knew you could push back against this stuff i never knew you could be like i don't like this and you're just always told to just like this is what it is yeah suck it up and take it yeah that's exactly what it was yeah my mom just kept on pushing pushing pushing and finally got it that's awesome you know i'm i am where i am now because of my mom yeah you know that's that's fantastic it's good to have somebody who's in the health care world who understands this stuff because it can be so disheartening to just know that you're at the mercy of someone who's not connected to the health care portion of it at all saying that like no you don't actually need this like motherfucker my doctor tells me i would be mad and jaded i think like i don't think i could handle like you're very happy and from what i can tell just like you know positive but i feel like i if i were to face those road blocks i would get very jaded and mad and not happy about things you know i think that comes up to like how i was growing up how i was brought up because you know i had all those hurdles that i had to jump you know and i guess that kind of attributes to my personality now it's just like all right cool let's go let's see how we're going to handle this situation um and so having to be like bred into constantly having to go over hurdle over hurdle over hurdle just to listen or just to hear you know i think that's bred me into looking at it in a positive aspect because otherwise what is life like yeah does that give you a leg up on things like through hiking where like hurdles that would get other people down and considering getting off trail is just like another day in the life for you yeah yeah totally yeah i mean it's i don't like to say oh i can't do that or because of this reason you know i i like to think things through and be like oh yeah i can do it because well maybe this will happen but okay let's see let's go for it you know and it's just that mindset okay so to wrap the interview here uh we're gonna dive back into this box i don't know what you're doing your favorite item from your favorite favorite freeze-dried candy slash on their rate for the listeners um brady's stepdad freeze dries um candies and other things there's some ranch green beans in here so i can't exclusively say candies but these all look fire don't give me bananas i like bananas just they look like they look like the dehydrated bananas and those are a no for me um they are better than the dehydrated all right if you say they're better i'll try them there's a lot of interesting things in this box i don't know i will say shout out to my mom um for she literally overnighted this box so that was insane you said it was harvest general store right yes okay harvest general store they just do like trade shows and stuff in iowa right now but um my favorite is the uh smoothie frittles is what they call them they're just these are skittles bust them open yeah let's have a couple yeah i'm like happy i didn't even ask myself to clap i just started clapping there you said the red ones are the best no i just said like the smoothie ones are my favorite i think all skittles taste the same to be honest isn't that wow it's a pet peeve for listeners to hear us chewing so apologies this is fun this feels different yeah wow that's the right reaction i feel it under my chin i'm gonna go ahead and say i actually like that way better than a regular skittle that's damn good that's what's all over my tiktok is people are making these in their microwave yeah it's like a skittle that exploded and became i don't even know how to describe it i don't even know how to describe the texture that is delicious i have another oh i got two and i grabbed a yellow which is usually my least favorite flavor orange is good because it tastes like orange tic tacs and orange is the new black oh yeah there you go oh yeah these are all yours these are awesome wow it's really good oh yeah well another shout out to harvest general store will include the it was can you can people order this on the facebook page or is it even are they even delivering of right now they're in the process of setting up a website okay you can't even buy right now i mean right now you can message them on facebook and maybe they'll send you something okay cool um yeah in the process of setting up a website brady is there anything that we haven't asked you that you'd like to relay to the listeners of backpacker radio not really i mean i think we pretty much covered it but i will say um just because you have a disability doesn't mean that should limit what you want to do with your life um and you know just being able to talk here right now and you know i never would have thought that i would be talking on a podcast or having a conversation on a you know media that is predominantly listening um and that's just amazing technology it's amazing for you know my audiologist it's amazing for my auditory verbal therapist it's everyone in my life that's culminated to this moment um and so really thank everyone in my life and in my family and for where i'm at now here here i'm so impressed by the technology of this like uh honestly blown away and even talking about like the enhancements above what you can get above just typical hearing is honestly pretty exciting and like this isn't even for me like it's pretty it's it's mind-boggling it's very cool and what's really nice is you know as i get older i'll be the only one in the nursing home who can actually hear whoa wait do these not work for people when you lose your hearing like if i were to listen to headphones on too loud and then my hearing slowly goes these wouldn't work for me i mean they could it's just it's like an old or nothing thing so if you get the cochlear implants you're not gonna have any hearing actual hearing yeah damn well these are superpowers shout out to this technology but also you brady like your your testament you're an inspiration uh really grateful that you could come on to the podcast and share your story for listeners whether they have a disability or not i think it's a really interesting story to share so thank you for your time and sharing your journey with us yeah i appreciate it thanks for having me on to the trek propaganda portion of today's show you're gonna like this one we're not doing question of the day we're gonna do that afterward okay i'm just going off of the show notes here uh trek propaganda this is oh i thought you said triple crown ignore me yeah guys it's my first i don't know maybe i just heard that it's my first episode yes uh this one is titled broken on the at gear that breaks at 2000 miles and gear that doesn't the thing that you're gonna like about this is the author this is written by no none other than abby evans queen fire salamanders right uh shit i forget she had like shit water yep they had water queen of the salamanders yeah no shit water fireball queen of the salamanders shit water fireball queen of this hell yes i'm such a good friend that is actually very impressive um you helped me by saying shit yeah well i always do this obviously is just one person's perspective on the subject but if you're curious to know which of abby's gear broke toward the end of her hike and which end of their hike and which did not which stood the test of time head to the link in the show notes this one was really well done uh the reason we're bringing this up is we had a chance to hang out with abby at trail days abby was a trail correspondent she they volunteered at the booth and was just genuinely generally a very good hang in good times participated in all of our pizza parties yeah that's right um i have a couple of other posts here but we've got a stacked segment lineup for today so let's get right to that uh transitioning to today's question of the day i don't like that rachel included the examples because one of the examples was something that i was going to include but oh okay i thought you're gonna say one of the examples was something that you like because i also really would have included ipa's yeah okay well we're spoiling it but okay question of the day is what are you convinced people are pretending to enjoy yes i will say i do i do occasionally like an ipa i like some ipa's but the ipa culture in the last like 15 years has gotten completely out of hand it went from being this like really rare specialty beer that existed well at a few breweries now it's like you go to a brewery and it's 80 of what they make they have slight variations whether you want it hazy or slightly fruity or whatever notes of hops etc and this is coming from somebody that generally pretty much likes ipa's but it's just totally out of hand nobody likes ipa's that much yeah i think it just seems cool they're good if it's in a flight like if i'm getting a flight of beers and you're giving me like four shooters of different kinds of beers i'll absolutely have one because i don't have to deal with it for 16 ounces a full glass of ipa that's too much ipa after a long day hike you get back to the car you've got an ipa sitting on ice and you're cooler that's i could easily deal with a 12 to 16 ounce ipa in that circumstance but thinking about like going to the brewery and downing three or four ipa's shoot me in the head that's too much ipa i mean i would drink anything cold after a long hike like i would drink cold pee after a hike would you no but i mean it depends on how long the hike was and how much i needed to hydrate what is the mileage that would what's your threshold you know i considered it on the colorado trail when i ran out of water yeah same java had to talk me i've gone i did eight miles on the pct up by moraine lake um without water that that when i was close um the colorado trail when i ended up eight miles without water yeah um and then that's a lot it was a lot it felt a lot the colorado trail i ended up calling a taxi to pick me up and take me into solida and i drank the river water and slept next to a trailer in a trailer park and got yelled at in the morning like i was that level of desperation i suppose if you're that desperate just do it and because it takes a while for giardia to take hold anyways so i'd rather deal with the ramifications of giardia in three days and not die of dehydration or even just suffer for being that level of thirsty because then you can go to the hospital you get all the iv bags yada yada yada that's a later problem i mean if anyone has to choose between giardia and dying of yeah or any other reason i i doubt it'd have to be pretty severe to i don't think i've heard of anyone dying of dehydration in the context of thru-hiking are you sure if the desert and the pct we've had it's possible that people who've gone missing have died that way but i don't think i guess those are heat stroke too yeah anyways anyways so i would have an ipa if it was cold yeah um but only in but it's somewhere in the same power ranking as piss if i have other no no because let's say like i'm at a event where everyone's having some drinks and all they have are ipa's i'm not gonna just like not partake this should be a triple crown at some point maybe we've done it but give me your top two beer varieties okay i like light and fruity is usually what i'll say if i'm going to someone to order and i don't know the menu like a whip beer wheat i like wheat beers i like hefeweizens um i like i actually like like some stout importers but it has to either be cold and snowy or again the um flight scenario i also like fruity beers i'll go for a goze or sour whichever one that is but i don't i can't do a whole blind to that either just like it's sour yeah i'm a i like just classic beer i like mexican lager i like ambers ambers can be really good the few places where i've had cream ales that tends to be good steve chauncey is a cream out man yeah he um genesee cream ale okay it is all all of these carried in the house growing up what's the um the gold can shit i'm blanking on the brewery it's the every liquor store in colorado sells this it's a popular never mind i think we use banquets no uh it's mostly silver with like a gold accent i think it's a cream beer but i could be wrong anyways i'm sounding like a fucking idiot right now so the question of the day yeah question uh things that you're convinced of what are you convinced people are pretending to enjoy ipa's is a good one but we're neither of us are drafting that because that was the example given in your show notes i'm gonna go with you go first okay i've got options um oh where to start i'm gonna go with anything cold in regards to backpacking just to keep it relevant to the podcast sure for example cold soaking yeah no one likes that no one likes that you could say you like that you don't like that you could say oh my diet i don't care you don't actually like it yeah i think you're a liar yeah um cold camping for example like people that like backpack in shoulder seasons when it's really really cold and it's freezing when you get out of your tent and it's freezing when you get in your tent or you're going through snow no one actually likes that depends on the level of cold for me the the threshold is if it's painful to grab the tent poles and i guess if you're using a trekking pole tent that's less likely to be an issue because you know like cork handles or some other fabric uh material um once it's uncomfortable to grab the tent poles i guess you could just have gloves to solve that problem but that's about my threshold as long as it's not like stinging my hands to grab something whatever like the carbon fiber pole then i'm doing okay i just i can't ever enjoy getting out of a warm sleeping bag into like a freezing temperature and pretend that i'm having a good time yeah but you can just start off by wearing this is what i do is i just wear all of my clothes like i've got my down jacket on usually like rain pants or wind pants the leggings and then like i'll slowly strip as i get throughout the day so it's i do that too um i still don't like it okay fair that's fair uh because you can't cover everything like when i started the at i wore my buff around my nose because my nose was the part those are really cold mornings yeah that's like sub freezing i would agree with you that's a that's a struggle bus sort of like job of doing the winter at hike you can't pretend you're enjoying that yeah that's not fun that's not three season that's the depths of the fourth season yeah i can poke right off so that's one of mine okay uh one of mine is ipa would have been my first choice so good good job to rachel um this is coming as somebody who consumes a mass quantity of this on a daily basis coffee no that's on my list uh yeah i drink i'm up to like a half pot of coffee right now it's bad it's really bad like the first cup of coffee is just laying the foundation for the next cup of coffee doesn't actually do anything for me right but without adding like sugar and cream drinking coffee black um i've convinced myself that i like it because i am chasing the effect that it gives me but i would never drink decaf yeah i mean i would never drink black coffee um but even with the milk and sugar no one can tell you that that tastes good it's strange because i like coffee flavored things like coffee flavored ice cream is good espresso martinis are good sure i've never actually had one but sure oh my god but yeah just like straight black coffee the people that go and spend like six bucks on a really nice cup of coffee apparently starbucks certain starbucks have something called a clover machine which is like a it's a machine i think it's worth in the five figures it's very expensive and not all starbucks have this the ones that do it takes a while for this cup of coffee to be made it's more expensive than their standard cup of coffee and it's supposed to be like an exquisite cup of coffee i've had that before and it was like this is a slightly less bad thing i enjoy the effect it makes me productive puts me in a good mood wakes me up but the taste itself sucks shit i just i think there is a venn diagram to be made of the ipa enthusiasts and the black coffee enthusiasts here's question there's gonna be a lot of overlap in that venn diagram assuming calories weren't part of the equation would you be more likely to drink a non-alcoholic ipa or a decaf cup of black coffee no you had to pick let's say wait what you're you're we're in our pct hiking scenario and remove the uh temperature of the liquid that you're consuming just going purely off of a taste basis your only options are decaf coffee or alcohol free and this is black coffee yeah i yeah no i'd rather drink dirt you wouldn't do either if you're like dying i would do the ipa absolutely yeah i just black coffee i'm not doing yeah i agree with you by the way i only started drinking coffee when i started the sales job because it's just that's how you have to adapt yeah um i have a friend who works finance very owns a house owns dogs like very adult on a lot of levels but he's also viciously addicted to caffeine but doesn't drink any coffee products he just drinks like those uh what's like the trendy uh energy drink right now celsius yeah he'll drink like two of those to start the day well i'll do english breakfast tea i like english breakfast tea with cream and sugar uh milk and sugar i think that has just as much just as much caffeine yeah i was probably banging their heads on the wall i was tempted to pull out the ted lasso line and then the alarm bell went off that we had had this conversation like recently i apologize um but yeah coffee i'll have coffee in places where it's just easier to have coffee or sure like yeah i went to the mechanic today there's free cough there's free coffee in most places indoors or like at work like they'll have coffee and i don't i'm very particular about the tea like i don't want those little like peel top hazelnut vanilla french vanilla coffee creamers that you put in so if a place only has those and there's no like milk option that i can put in my tea then i'll go for the coffee because i'm not gonna have a bad cup of tea yeah yeah i'm this is coming from somebody that i even drink black coffee on a fairly regular basis because by cup two or three like i just don't want the additional cream or sugar i'm just trying to get the caffeine in my body in the least painful way possible and i don't like pills and all that stuff uh so i drink black coffee but it's gross and people like nerd out on this stuff saying that they love it and i just i don't i think they're lying i've like i could go so far as to say i've tasted black coffee i know what it tastes like i've tasted it i've had like a taste of it yeah never in my life have i ever just sat down and drank some no amount of desperation has ever gotten me there yeah uh i have a good friend who taught himself to like black coffee because he thought there would be enough circumstances in life where coffee was available but the all the accoutrements wouldn't be available so like he just wanted to be prepared prepared for such a scenario and now he only drinks black coffee but i think he's lying too yeah i think he taught himself how to lie yeah okay um what else you got on your list uh my last one because this is we're not even on the triple crown yet my last one is this will probably be less controversial quinoa why does the word sound like a word i know quinoa yes i know quinoa it's like shitty couscous yeah yeah yeah i don't know why but for some reason like the word was there and my brain wasn't connecting yeah to it i know it's supposed to be healthy like i i like quinoa do you really like kind of like pops in your mouth a bit it's kind of like bubbles yeah that's to me i like the idea of it i like it up with a fork uh i think that's part of it like when you make rice you're supposed to fluff it i don't know i've never actually made quinoa i've only had it like at the deli stand okay or when other people make it but uh pretty much every time i've had it suck shit okay um i just i think that's something salt could fix but to each their own yeah my last one is a classic for me and that's people that like working in the office prefer working in the office to working remotely i think that anyone who genuinely enjoys working in an office um might not um have other avenues of socializing outside of office like you know the people in the office where like work is life my co-workers are my family like live breathe eat office i came from startup culture which is very much that um i think they like office because without office they just like don't have connections yeah and get bored because they don't know what to do can i play devil's advocate sure i have many social options not to brag or anything uh but sometimes the path of least resistance takes over and i just don't ever utilize them where if i were forced into a social situation oftentimes i feel better it's like working out like you don't want to work out but you do you have the option to go into office when you choose to go into the office that's you free will choosing to do it that's fun i'm talking about the people that are proponents for return to office like cut work from home cut the option everyone come back in i think those are people that have been wildly lonely and haven't really done much to find a hobby there's a couple things happening here one is i think the people that run businesses uh would argue that people are more productive when i'm not talking about them they've got ulterior motives i'm talking about your co-workers okay so okay um yeah for me i think there's a ratio there's some sort of golden ratio like i think like one day in the office is the ideal thing yeah i think every day at home is bad i think every day in the office is worse i could do a tuesday and every other thursday sure one and a half days per week yeah that makes sense that would be good that's 30 work from the office right yeah and like the option to not should i get to tuesday morning and it's cold yeah uh yeah i could be on board with that anyway i think the people that are all let's go back to the office all of us come on together now i think they um maybe don't have the most fun outside of work and that's what they get jazzed about yeah i will say aside from you the only person i work with is billy we've done the show previously the trucks developer um and i like billy so this is not like a commentary on anything like that but the days that we work together which is rare probably once every other week sometimes a little bit more frequently i come home in a much better mood than me just like sitting hunched over my laptop by myself not talking to anybody for eight hours like that feels like the antithesis to what our organism needs yeah but i do think we should also put the caveat like you're the boss it's different you can wear whatever you want you don't report to anyone i'm cracking the whip i mean but billy uh works the tech for the trek as a kindness yeah he he does not need the job whatsoever his nine to five pays him handsomely um anyway um that's mine cool i like it uh let's put a loop uh a segment buffer between that and the triple crown because that was a little bit beefier than probably it was expecting i think we do that when we do early segments yeah because i think we have so much time we're not like watching the clock for seven p.m yeah right you're right about that uh i have a stupid thing of the week if you want to improv anything my stupid thing of the week is so we're potty training leo right now and to do this properly to my understanding is you want to do positive reinforcements or anytime that he goes in the potty you want to make it really exciting in addition to like screaming and clapping and dancing and like getting him really riled up uh i want to get him a treat so what do i default to other than oreos i got oreos within 24 hours i ate a third of the entire container like double stuffed like the family size thing of oreos i probably had 12 in the first 24 hours of me trying to get this as a reward for leo just my ultimate fat boy took over i i have decent self-control with a lot of things oreo might be my biggest grip tonight yeah those are hard i don't keep them in the house don't yeah i leo might never learn to go to the potty because i've eaten all of his incentive i mean i don't know if you should should you reward them with oreos when they use the bathroom i think anything this is not like i'm not going to give him oreos every time he goes to the bathroom for the rest of his life he's gonna be used to it though you're gonna be punishing him no there's a it's the most rewarding schedule for this is called an intermittent reward you've got something to say about that i but it's not yet yeah uh so the it's not effective if you give somebody a reward each time because they have diminishing uh psychological returns on that if when you do an intermittent reward schedule that's when they actually when you get the most positive affect from that tactic interesting yeah um i saw a video on social media i can't remember which social media but it was someone who made a book that came with like stickers it was like a sticker book for kids learning how to use the potty and it was like different adventures they could go on and they put a sticker every time they use the potty to like accomplish certain things sure and there was like a bunch of different tracks right it looked fun i watched this video from start to finish i know how to use the potty yeah but i was like this would be cool sounds a little bit like an advent calendar is that what it's called yeah it's like an advent calendar for shitting yeah um i thought it looked fun you should get it for him get it for him or put one in the bathroom over there sounds like i know what to get trance for christmas yeah i just want to feel rewarded i did it zaddy zaddy come see all right uh triple crown yeah we do have too much energy for the segments right now uh this is the triple crown of things that are the new black i think i pitched this as a joke not thinking that it would actually rachel hears everything yeah she does hear everything she'll read anything in the prompter um so things that are the new black the famous netflix show orange is the new black once by the time black was the black uh so things that are trendy i guess is the easy way of saying it yes where do you want to go on this because i got a lot i don't have any that i i'm pretty confident that mine are unique so if you want to go first that's good with me okay um i had to struggle to not have these all be like fashion um our prompt from rachel is a prompt from zach to rachel to prompt him first it was black then orange now it's day drinking so the day drinking means we can really go rogue here yeah so i'll skip over the drinking margaritas at 3 40 yeah well um i'll skip over the aesthetic ones to try to give some more interest um i think poop's back did poop ever leave poop had i mean if you're a girl poop leaves yeah for a while because you go through the phase of boys where they're like girls don't poop um i farted on garret's leg the other day and he panicked i was like we're still we're still no but like i was sitting on like his leg um so that part he wasn't thrilled about and i was just like we care still um but yeah you're not you're not married and doing we had we had the whole delta thing then we had the delta skit on snl the delta thing yeah the delta poop thing you're obsessed with the delta poop thing what you're not googling this you literally played the audio on the podcast delta airlines yeah i don't know why delta do you know i mean it is a greek letter of the alphabet that's if someone says delta you immediately think of the greek alphabet i was thinking like military operations like there's a lot of things that's weird um then i've been watching bachelor in paradise that was just something that came on the other day i went i got out of my bachelor phase but you're back it plays after golden bachelor so it just is this something that's also the new black or no golden bachelor could be the new the new black but in bachelor in paradise there's a girl who hasn't pooped in nine days and they give her a poop timer like a countdown she has to sunrise to poop or she has to get out and go deliver a poop baby at the hospital oh damn apparently is it just because she's not eating because the producers are pumping her full no i think something in mexico like blocked her up she's eating a lot they gave her a poo poo platter to like make a joke of it yeah um but she's all stuffed up we had they had a doctor come on to talk about like the size of poop babies they've delivered in these scenarios yeah can they just give x lax why are they making they did like it still doesn't come out they've exhausted all options anyway so that was a major plot point yeah um our book plug yeah um poop the moose poop story i sent you the other day of the girl who makes art out of moose poop don't you're spoiling a segment never all i'm saying is poop's back yeah poop is back if poop ever left it's back yeah uh so you could say that brown is the new black brown is the new black nice okay i like that very much for me poop never left but if other people are on board with it being in sign me up uh my first one is i don't even know what this is like i know what it is but i don't know anything about it i just have seen it everywhere of late that's dutch brothers yeah dutch bros i had a rep who was obsessed with them i feel like i've went my entire life without seeing one and then within the span of two weeks i saw a dozen or more they're overrated is this a new chain no there's um i think it's like a mid a southern midwest thing is my guess not upper midwest i can tell you that much well the girl that was obsessed with them was from texas okay but there was one that was in grants pass oregon there was one that was literally around the corner like i could see it from my apartment for my old place never in a million years did i think to go yeah and she googled the ones that were within like a 30 mile radius of me so that i could try it and saw that it was that close and got like offended yeah um is this better or worse than dunkin donuts and them because i know dunkin donuts obviously has like it's cult following people from the east love dunkin donuts i only had it once that was to just like make her happy um how was it what'd you get so it's a drive-through or a walk up okay it's like a little like it's a little shoe box yeah no it's a shoe box and you either walk up to it or you drive through it so the drive-through is really long and they have a lot of options is it just food or is it just drinks or do they have food i don't remember um i just remember they had a lot of options i was really overwhelmed with the choices because that made it hard for me and i panic picked something and it was absolutely fine okay um and like i don't go to dunkin donuts and think like this is great you know like i also leave dunkin donuts and i think this is absolutely fine yeah if that yeah that's a good way sometimes less than but it's a reliable donut i'll give it that i've never gone back that was like three years ago okay um yeah i think it's just one of those things that so many things touch you in your childhood it just becomes ingrained as having sentimental value don't don't don't don't that look that look okay uh nostalgia nostalgia is the new black apparently and nostalgia has always been the black but uh there's a lot of things that we could talk about uh so i'm just curious if the fascination with this place are people that grew up around it and it just reminds them of their childhood i think it's the same tim hortons crowd from a different demographic not demographic but like area right does area fall under demographic uh geography is that part of demographic yeah geography is okay yeah from a different demographic yeah it's usually not what people mean when they say demographic but tim hortons slaps let me tell you that is it good yeah tim hortons rocks they have the best do they exist outside of canada yes northern new york okay we actually couldn't have a starbucks in my college town because we had a tim hortons um apparently they have like i could not compete yeah at least that's that's like the old wives tale yeah um by tim hortons so tim hortons gets the one town in new york and starbucks gets every other corner in the world well they get all of canada right yeah yeah all 12 canadians eh um do i do too yeah i do too okay so dutch brothers is the new black because it's everywhere dutch brothers is my first one my second one is this will be kind of a um extension of our patreon conversation but this is very true for me in my world right now smash burgers not to be confused with the restaurant smash burger which is fine very fine oh you talked about smash burgers on the patreon yeah uh the the fast food restaurant smash burger is i would say good and nothing more nothing less uh but the genre of meal that is smash burgers one i feel like has skyrocketed in recent years and two i'm fully on board i'm fully on board with smash burgers it is the superior form of cheeseburg unless you're going to like a nice restaurant where you can get like a really fancy like wagyu beef all the fixings on it that sort of burger is will always have its place but just like your run-of-the-mill quick burger or even at like a decent sit-down restaurant smash burgers are the jam and i can't see myself growing tired of a smash burger i think it's here to say stay i don't i'm kind of on the fence about a burger in general then i would say you're not qualified to speak on the subject you're not a big burger person that's kind of crazy i love chick chicken burgers chick-fil-a um is good something i i like a burger i like a burger i can't finish one that's fair okay yeah i don't know how else to say it it's just a lot of a lot of that taste i think i'm speaking to burger fans i'm not trying to evangelize that people should like burgers but the people that do like burgers i implore you to give smash burgers a shot if you haven't already because they are good they're damn good you am i interrupting your tech session right now i'm texting sarah about clips she can pull from this for social before i forget yeah good um so you're on your last one yes no i've you've given you get to your last turn is what i might say um this is gonna be a left field one for me just because i'm i could do the triple crown of like aesthetic clothes clothing things i don't think this is our audience yeah um keep them in honorable mentions because i'm sure i have very important thoughts on the subject okay um my second one is going to be red zone red zone is the new black reason why is because tonight for the first time if anyone's not listening on the actual date and wants to search when we actually watched this or recorded this tonight they are doing red zone for hockey first time they've ever done it ever it's kind of a genius idea hockey fans are going wild um and by hockey fans i mean my boyfriend isn't 80 of the game by the net i don't understand no there's a lot of like i mean yeah there's no there's no red zone there's no red i don't actually know if they're calling it red zone i feel like that would it make sense um but they're doing the red zone thing where they like show split screens they show yeah like all that for hockey i'll give the context for people who are not football fans red zone is a channel which um i think it's playing off the fact that fantasy football has become so popular seven hours of commercial free football yes that and it also as the name implies when an offense is in the red zone with in the 20 yard line uh the game cuts to that and i think it just prioritizes whichever game is closest to a scoring situation yeah that's what gets precedence the way you explained it i feel like applies to the people that would already know what it is because you're using football words yeah i'm just saying the people that don't know what red zone is but they won't know like 20 yards that you know um the teams that are close to scoring points the the channel will switch to that game because yes many games are being played simultaneously a lot of a football game is going to be not scoring just setting up to get to the scoring situation this is just just airing the gate the part of the game where somebody is likely to score soon yeah it cuts the fat it cuts the downtime um it shows you when everyone's about to score there can be like four screens in one sometimes more um but hockey's never done it and so hockey today starts at four last game starts at 8 30 from what i've timed they usually run about three hours my boyfriend keeps telling me they run two hours i've learned that's not true so i from my understanding it goes from when you go 4 p.m well last time we went to a high last time we went to an abs game i got in trouble because he caught me listening to an audiobook my hair was down so he couldn't see my headphones in and then he was talking to me and i couldn't hear him he was like he pushed my hair he's like are you listening to something he picked up my phone he's like should be like i'm listening to the game honey he was like you're listening to an audiobook um i couldn't imagine a worse environment to listen to an audiobook it's a low scoring sport yeah that is true but it's high action not always not always confused yeah anyway yeah so they're doing red zone hockey for the first time tonight it's four to 11 and it's all these games that are happening overlapped split screen whatever you want to call it and it is like enough of an affair where they have been talking about it all week like garret's friends coming over they are making sloppy joes they went grocery shopping for this they first off kind of offensive get really really excited when i have the podcast because it's boy's night um usually they use the time it's been a minute since you've recorded a podcast are you sure you're not falling behind schedule well you know what's funny is when his friend like really enthusiastically tells me to have a nice time when i go like i know why you're happy he's always really in a good mood have a great time or i'll come back and you'll be like so what'd you guys talk about like this is the friend and i'm like you had a good time yeah um yeah so they're having a boy's night tonight they're absolutely thrilled they've gone grocery shopping they've been talking about it for weeks and i can only imagine they're gonna do more of these like hockey's not just gonna be like let's try this one fun christmas special let's move on right um so i see i see red zone being the new black sure as it branches into other sports my last one we're all kind of aesthetic here but i'll go for the one that makes me um happiest which is gingers i think gingers are back um not back but the new black yeah um another orange is the new black yes a different kind because first in makeup people started drawing on like little freckles over the bridge of their nose that was a trend for a while um and then there's like a strawberry type of look that people do on tiktok and that's just like a blush that goes over your nose like instead of the sides of your face goes fully over and that's just like imitating our natural complexion like there's been a lot of gingers posting like this new trend is just me waking up cultural appropriation um and i also had a friend from college post a new facebook photo um like a profile photo yesterday and she is now my hair color which i think is lovely so i think gingers are back i think they're in they're the new black people want to be us i accept sweet i wish i had any sort of evidence to say to the contrary but it sounds right yeah sounds good to me yeah it's the times of south park are long gone dark days are over gingers no more day walkers you hear that guys uh sweet that's great did i do three i don't know no you have one more you have one more which means we went out of turn that's okay no i did one you did two i did two now you get one you're right okay i'm used to going first anyways no joke there i'm gonna end this with a backpacking specific thing and i do think this is trendy might be too strong of a word but something that i've only seen recently um tell me if you've seen this tell me if you just heard this one the term the terminus photo everyone's got one right how do you celebrate when you finish it through hike i've seen a lot of terminus shoeys i did too this year yeah and i've vomited in my mouth every time guys that's that's not it is it is never not gross in any context especially long-distance backpacking but sometimes you just got to go i mean we've talked about things that i think are gross or let me say this in my thoughts as someone who got norovirus in millinocket after summoning katahdin you've still got to travel home yeah it's not it's actually i would argue one of the worst times to get sick as someone who was a dragging their hiking partner by the collar through bus depots while they were puking to only think that they got home safe and like like me getting home safe like i didn't get it i've eluded it yeah to then start like i got my flight changed from a non-major airline back to denver at no additional cost to me which never happens and it's because how sick you were i started throwing up on the phone call they were telling me they had to charge me and i was like accepting it but i couldn't push mute fast enough they felt bad enough that they waved it off like don't do a shoey at the terminus yeah sounds like a ferris bueler thing where you need like the keyboard with the sound effects next to you just to get out of something um yeah no that's really gross i hope that's not the new black though i know this is thrown around as a joke often and i don't know the validity behind it maybe it's true but does the alcohol kill any sort of bad things i think for footstuff it's more fungal versus i don't know what's happening with norovirus it's a virus obviously i the to narrow down the amount of things that you're ingesting out of that shoe is just too hard there's something to it though because like you're done you're so ecstatic i celebrated my pct through hike by jumping off of the terminus and then uh fast forward a few weeks and i tore my acl like that can't be connected i mean i'm like not the advocate for someone who doesn't do stupid shit you know like i do dumb things it just seems like after something that monumental you're willing to bite the bullet on whatever sort of ramifications come from it if i were at the terminus and everyone in my hiking party were doing a shoei i would also do are we gonna do a shoei at palooza now i fucking hope not sorry for the aggressive curse to the listener shows up with brand new shoes no this is this goes down in my like same thing i'm not eating eggs yeah um i'm not gonna do a shoei now we have to make a bet where that's part of the table for the shoei for the eggs or the shoei no i'm not and this is the eggs part again where it's like i will drink the entire shoe are you more likely to do a shoei than a raw egg i drank the whole das boot different kind of shoei but that was for the egg yeah that was to make sure that no one gave me the egg would you rather drink an entire das boot or do a shoei i dad das boot every day we're gonna go back there anyway um yeah we got it a shoei for anyone who's not familiar is where i believe you dump a full beer i don't know the quantity of alcohol yeah into your used shoe and then drinks a beer out of the shoe should that be what we do das boot for this year out of our own shoes like a shoei out of our own no no no no we do das boot as normal at that place oh but for a shoei but the person who loses das boot does a shoei now that um the meetup is in denver does open up a whole world of possibilities mara's sitting to my left hahaha drink eggs bitch i'll never forget that uh do you have any i have one honorable mention several um first one being the 90s slash 2000s aesthetic i think that's back in more than just clothing um skinny jeans are out like bell bottomy pants are back in the wide flare gene is back in i saw you wearing a wide flare pant leg skinny jeans are out i'm not gonna look like a loser um the last time i bought trendy jeans was in high school when i or maybe middle school even jinkos when your weight fluctuates you get to buy more jeans more often oh my weight fluctuates it doesn't fluctuate it would have to go in two directions for it to fluctuate but it's just going um like just everything about the 90s 2000s aesthetic is back like you get those videos of things they're posting in stores and it's just like stuff you thought would never come back but also i think this goes full circle with what i was saying before is i think it's just nostalgia no but also i think like the whole scene is coming back because think about i guess to your point a lot of people rocking the 90s stuff were not alive in the 90s or were barely alive in the 90s but for the 2000s britney's book came out today yeah in sync has not been on a major wear back thing since they had that song in the trolls movie um like everyone's waiting for them to release a concert date britney just slammed justin in her book that came out that's all over the news is there any credibility to anything that britney does nowadays yes um wasn't she just like flailing knives around her young kid yeah but as she said they were they were trick knives um kids aren't young anymore but she said a lot of stuff in this book like that she had an abortion with justin like all these things and then justin was putting out cry me a river and all this stuff i mean it's just all over my news feed right now and it's mixed with all these other things the 90s are back the 2000s are back the clothes the people we're talking about yeah all of it it's back my honorable mention is uh specifically semi corny 90s music just 90s music in general it's back yeah like spin doctors i think spin doctors is like the prototypical semi corny 90s song should we keep up with our past episodes and play a clip sure do you know spin doctors i do can you sing me a song before i play it no because i remember it being the name of something but i don't remember the song until you play it i want to hear it i want to know it when you play it yeah sure i'll sing it when you play it i know this song sing it i'm not gonna sing it i know this song i believe you what year were you born 92 let's come out what year were you born 85 yeah that's actually right uh yeah so 90s music to your point all of the 90s bands and 2000s are doing the reunion tours it doesn't really qualify for 90s but i know blinker night 2 is like a big hot ticket item yeah i saw them back when they were in their heyday they played with green day they were co-headlining a concert and green day was so much better it was it was especially bad because green day played before them and to go from green day to blinker day 2 i'm surprised that half the audience didn't leave well i was going to get myself blink tickets as a like make myself feel better for not shelling out for taylor tickets and i asked garrett if he wanted to go and he was like they suck live yeah um travis is really good travis is like one of the best drummers of all time but yeah the cohesion of the whole thing is i think let's give it cool uh nice one more segment before we get to the standards this is i actually got this from a few places but i'll give credit to awesome mcdaniel you've heard that name a lot from our patreon supporters um and should i introduce it or should i just play the audio no i think well say what the segment is called okay this is well actually before i do that so start spreading the news start spreading the news i didn't know what they said the first time you played that i just thought it was that song so now it makes sense who's saying poop there great question probably poly i have no idea yeah probably poly but i have no idea poop is back yeah so this is the second installment of poop news uh this again this is this was sent to me by a few people which means that it was it made quite the splash but here it is see this is a poo poo clock and what we did see is we took them turds and we crammed them in between the number there so that's 132 33 30 now over here we make fecal people and depending upon the shape of their middle turds right there we can do them with big boobs or guts or butts or long legs or short legs see because there's no two turds that are ever like you ever seen a turd the two turds alike no get five bucks a turd for these things so i get jumping right up and down i get excited when i see a turd instead of a cuckoo clock okay so um i i recommended this person as a guest before i yeah remember i sent it to you i was like potential guest yeah i don't know if i could get through that with the way yeah and she just says turd really aggressively yeah so we'll include the link in the show notes here but uh what she's displaying is art that she's made out of literal moose turds yes yeah so she's got a clock she's got some sort of uh this is re when i said poop is back yeah yeah poop is very much back um i won't butcher the video clip by trying to explain it other than you should watch it but yeah there are people out there with ideas and time can you just play a second of that again that was really like that was see this is a poo poo clock and what we did see is we took them turds and we crammed them in between the number there so that's 132 33 30 now over here we make fecal people i don't like it depending upon the shape of their middle turds right there we can do with big boobs or guts or butts or long legs or short legs see because there's no two turds that are ever like you ever seen a turd the two turds alike no poor guy i don't like that trapped in that lady's i feel like she's already sold me something and i haven't given her my credit card yet but she's just gonna take it yeah yeah yeah that that's somebody that that's a that's a strong pitch uh but she's making these things which makes me think that people are buying them so poop is back i mean brown is the new black you could see those going as gag gifts for people with large budgets yeah i sure hope that nobody gives me literal poop don't you this isn't us no one fucking sent us one of these for the studio i'm like you're like i have no no one give me this i'm looking around at all the things people have gotten us fortunately none of these are gag gifts like everything that we have are legitimate actual kindness yeah but uh yeah definitely don't get trance a poop gift guys i'm not gonna display a poo poo clock anywhere i've got my i've got my bird clock definitely don't send poop to trance's house okay we're all on the same page oh that would be an april fools joke if i gave your address and people just mailed you shit yeah the issue is then i gave your address i am being doxed you are a buyer not a renter though i think you could get away with it for me with minimal damage fair not that you should uh mailbag i'll do this you did the review okay dear the trek i was surprised almost astonished to learn today that zack hadn't already known about trinidad colorado trinidad colorado is the sign to all texas hikers that you finally made it out of flatland hell rattan new mexico is also an important city there are legal ramifications in every area and texas travelers who enjoy cannabis have to deal with it every single time the cops there are also apparently well aware it's time for you guys to have an episode about texans coming to colorado for our day hiking or backpacking adventures peace dr nate jones um i can't speak to zack's lack of knowledge about our country that we live in yeah but what i can speak to is us going to texas um we've tried it a couple times we want to do a road trip there if you know any texas-owned brands i was waiting for you to have fun facts about trinidad colorado oh no um this is a pitch this is absolutely a pitch you know anyone in texas who wants to send us on a road trip and send them our way yeah uh also i want to get back on the lone star trail i think that would be a fun section i've been on the lone star no i know i want to bring you back kicking and screaming our trail of the new black i think that would be a fun trail with like the normal water carry you'd have in the desert but alcohol like some water still yeah but some lone star beers i think that could be like one where you have fun with the games yeah the problem is the hiking is so boring yeah well that's where the company yeah the company makes up for it yeah it was java was too dull for that hike for sure oh the underwear that's true there was nothing too dull about that sir i want you to just clip that no let me read you one of my dms from when we last because we've got time to spare because we're doing segments early yeah um also let us know if you like these early segments better or worse um definitely clearly tell we have more time to go off the rails here um this is remember the conversation we had about the guy that wanted to be me sugar daddy yeah okay this is what he sent when we mentioned that underwear photo of me wearing that if you what was it if you like big tits what was the name of what was the underwear uh who needs an ass when you got no who needs big tits when you got an ass like this yeah exactly something like that yeah um i got a dm from him in august um hi trance i'm eternally behind on bpr but i just finished number 165 and you confirmed the existence of a photo of your post 80 dump truck ass this is relevant to my interests how much and i never did you realize you are just pouring gasoline on the fire so the next thing he said there has to be a price now the best part is this is already on the internet you gotta pull it down and then charge for it they're some of the best uh but you can't tell me that like boring hikes aren't better with games because i like that that's how we ended up back there years later and that was one game yeah uh more importantly you should drain that guy for every penny that he's worth should i send him a price yeah should i save x amount for the dump truck ass how much should i say um go 10 grand why not oh no one's gonna pay 10 grand for a photo of my ass that's on the internet covered in underwear no one's gonna pay that you gotta shoot your shot trance no i'm not saying 10 grams don't sell yourself short trance this guy seems pretty horny can you reply to a reply 10k 10k sent uh trance with the margarita is a good time let's go we just got a lot of time here my truth hurts it's time it's time and do we have 22 minutes before i guess i gotta go pick up a pizza oh yeah okay best podcast ever this is by ngtuj i love the show it's actually the only podcast i can listen to i'm not a thru hiker more of a weekend warrior but i find a lot of the information valuable and of course the show is very entertaining i mostly hike in the adirondacks new york i'm hoping maybe someday i'll have time to hike the northville placid trail until then i get to live vicariously through everyone on backpacker radio um like radical hand emoji um squiggly line the diabetic hiker 46 i like that you get very precise with the punctuation i didn't know how to describe those uh thank you to the diabetic hiker 46 we are hopeful to make it to chance's old stomping grounds sometime in 2024 i'll just leave it at that yeah read the texas part earlier but northville placid trail um we're trying our darndest yeah uh if you know anyone in the area who wants to send us there um i think it's gonna happen this year i got good vibes too it's a big year for the northville placid trail they're celebrating an anniversary yeah a milestone um and and orange is the new black so how could they not bring i think the northville placid trail could be the new black of short trails there you go there you go we're hearing it more and more yeah we didn't even know it existed three years ago i have to go to our patreon account to make sure that i'm getting everyone's name everyone's name because i learned in the most recent patreon episode that we weren't including the current list so somebody's fired okay can't be me i'll dm rachel and say hey is zach crazy yeah she'll respond with of course thank you to our chuck norris award winners on patreon that is alex admisty with navigators crafting andrew austin mcdaniel austin ford bradden blair from 13 adventures brent stemberg brian allsopp fables christopher marshburn coach for marrying outdoors dane ish derrick cook eric casper the friendly ghost erica hoffman greg mcdaniel iron hike endurance productions i think that was the one that we missed last time uh our previous time unless you said it on the patreon i think they're new yeah i'm my concern is that i don't know when he started supporting us if anyone's nick lindyming us on these mentions no i think that's what's happening is he's been supporting us for a long time and we haven't been including his name so now we have to say something very nice okay wait say it again say it three times like it's um iron hike endurance productions beetle juice beetle juice yeah juice iron hike endurance productions iron hike endurance productions wow i wonder what they what they do at iron hike endurance production what are they producing what are they producing pretty cool stuff probably go look into it a little bit i bet they produce really cool stuff let's yeah iron hike endurance productions okay what do we got here iron hike dot com uh a little google google snippet is the iron hike endurance series at mohawk mountain i hope that i'm shouting out the right thing is a single or multi-day event that is part hike part trail run part group camping trip part one of the hardest damn things you've ever done and full-on badass mountain footslog i don't know if we've ever heard footslog before uh so i hope that is relevant to it wait now we've got an iron hike endurance productions on youtube now we get to actually confirm um iron hike endurance series is that what i just shout out i don't know yeah i think we're good so shout out to iron hike endurance productions thank you for your support and sorry for the negligence liz seager matt sukup mike poiselle patrick cnciolo soir products spam timothy han so tracy trigger for some reason i don't know why i thought this but for some reason when you said liz seagull i almost said barely know her liz seagull yeah i don't know it doesn't even rhyme yeah is there a joke no i was just trying to remember all my things and for some reason there i just almost said barely know her i think now we have to incorporate liz seager you can follow us at backpacker radio on instagram and tiktok at backpacker pod on x facebook.com slash backpacker radio 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11/13/20232 hours, 37 minutes, 13 seconds
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#226 | Dr. Morgan Brosnihan on Training for a Thru-Hike, Injury Prevention, and Helping Hikers on the PCT

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Dr. Morgan Brosnihan. Dr. Brosnihan runs Blaze Physio, a mobile physical therapy service, from her van, where she helps ailing hikers along the Pacific Crest Trail. We learn all about this novel business idea and go deep on everything to do with injury and injury prevention, including the best training regimen, the biggest mistakes thru-hikers make in terms of inciting injury, which gizmos and gadgets she recommends for hikers, exercises hikers should focus on both before trail and during, and much more. If you’re into exercise science at all, you will enjoy this one. We wrap the show with some news of a grizzly attack in Banff National Park, the weirdest thing we refuse to buy, and a Triple Crown of little things that make you irrationally happy. Darn Tough: Use code “DTLOVE-BACKPACKERRADIO” for 10% off plus free shipping at darntough.com. 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[divider] Interview with Dr. Morgan Brosnihan Morgan's Instagram Blaze Physio Website Time stamps & Questions 00:05:54 - Reminders: Submit yourself or someone else to be a guest on BPR, fill out the AT 2023 thru-hiker survey, come to the Denver hiker meetup on December 1, and support us on Patreon for bonus content! 00:09:35 - Introducing Dr. Morgan 00:11:20 - Tell us about your titles and what education they require 00:13:33 - What got you into physical therapy? 00:15:56 - Do you have any tips for someone who wants to blend business and hiking? 00:18:25 - What value do people get from telehealth physical therapy versus in person? 00:21:21 - Do you think physical therapists are better at diagnosing injuries? 00:24:20 - Discussion about Morgan’s charging rates and business economics 00:27:30 - Tell us more about your van business setup 00:29:31 - How are your pre-trail injury talks received? 00:32:16 - What are the cliff notes of your pre-trail talk? 00:35:17 - Tell us about some of the most injured people you’ve worked with 00:39:48 - What are some of the best things people should do prior to thru-hiking? 00:42:07 - What’s the best form of weight training for thru-hiking? 00:43:57 - What is the ideal training protocol for someone with gym access? 00:47:25 - Is there a way to find out what 70% of your max daily mileage is? 00:50:50 - Is there a recipe for building in enough rest days? 00:56:00 - Tell us about your Long Trail hike 00:58:10 - Are you fun to hike with or do you diagnose everything you do? 01:00:15 - Is it ever hard to take your own advice? 01:01:50 - Where should someone strike with their foot? 01:04:25 - How do you know if your gate is correct or incorrect? 01:05:23 - What’s your perspective on baby deer legs? 01:08:02 - Discussion about anti-inflammatories  01:10:34 - How do you tell the difference between inflamed and swollen? 01:11:25 - What are the downsides of using ibuprofen chronically? 01:15:40 - What do you suggest future thru-hikers start doing to prepare for their hike? 01:19:50 - How should hikers think about and transition to zero drop shoes? 01:22:48 - How applicable is running to switching shoes and preparing to hike in general? 01:24:57 - How helpful is having your stride analyzed? 01:26:00 - Is there a way to know who is better suited for a thicker midsole shoe? 01:32:20 - What other prep should November listeners do? 01:34:55 - Are there things you see people doing that you know might cause injuries? 01:36:05 - What’s the difference between a loaded pack or a weighted vest? 01:37:15 - Tell us about stretching 01:43:15 - Is it possible to create too much range of motion through stretching? 01:44:52 - What are the best stretches for thru-hikers? 01:47:19 - What can you do to help with restless legs? 01:51:13 - What tools could someone carry for injury prevention and how do they work? 01:57:23 - What about topicals, like CBD? 02:01:51 - What is your take on insoles? 02:04:02 - Where can people learn more from you? Segments Trek Propaganda:  Check out our new shirts! Hiking Couple Killed By Grizzly in Banff National Park by Owen Eigenbrot QOTD: What’s the weirdest thing you need that you just refuse to buy? Triple Crown of little things that make you irrationally happy Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
11/6/20232 hours, 28 minutes, 59 seconds
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#225 | Andrea Lankford on the PCT's Three Missing Hikers

In today’s very spooky episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Andrea Lankford, author of “Trail of the Lost: The Relentless Search to Bring Home the Missing Hikers of the Pacific Crest Trail.” Andrea’s book, and thus our conversation, keys in on the story of three missing hikers on the PCT, all happening in consecutive years between 2015 and 2017. We talk about the specific details of each of these cases, how the official authorities could’ve done better in their searches, how the community rallied to offer their assistance, Andrea’s speculation of what ultimately happened in each case, specific search and rescue tactics, and much more. We wrap the show by sharing a couple of stories about spooky incidents that have happened to us on trail, the triple crown of Halloween songs that slap, and we offer some details of the holiday hiker meetup. We also touch on the deeply saddening news of Donna Sauffley's passing, who was not only a beloved guest on this podcast but also a renowned trail angel. Vargo Outdoors: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 20% off at vargooutdoors.com. Katabatic Gear: Use code “BPR15” for 15% off at katabaticgear.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Darn Tough: Use code “DTLOVE-BACKPACKER” for 10% off plus free shipping at darntough.com. [divider] Interview with Andrea Lankford Andrea's Instagram Andrea's Website Fowler-O'Sullivan Foundation Time stamps & Questions 00:06:00 - Reminders: take the AT hiker survey, support us on Patreon, submit your poop story for a chance to win a BPR RTIC mug, and attend our hiker meetup on December 1st! 00:10:40 - Introducing Andrea 00:11:12 - Tell us about becoming and being a National Park Service ranger 00:14:00 - At what point did finding missing people become a primary interest of yours? 00:16:45 - Do rangers get trained on communicating with the families of missing hikers? 00:18:04 - What stood out to you in the Grand Canyon case that you carried with you? 00:19:47 - Tell us the basics of the Chris Sylvia case 00:23:03 - How did you supplement the initial search? 00:24:45 - What made you want to step in and assist in the Sylvia case? 00:26:42 - What did his family think had happened? 00:27:30 - What was his roommate’s part in it? 00:29:01 - Why didn’t the police release the report to his family? 00:32:17 - Are you investigating as part of a larger organization? 00:34:15 - Have you dealt with reigniting families’ hopes for finding answers? 00:36:06 - Why does the federal government lack data about people who go missing from public land? 00:38:00 - Tell us about the Fear Gender Paradox 00:40:20 - Did you get involved with the Sylvia case before the others had gone missing? 00:42:00 - If you had to guess, what do you think happened to Chris Sylvia? 00:43:36 - Tell us about the Twelve Tribes 00:48:26 - Tell us the basics of the Kris Fowler case 00:50:44 - What were the various witness sightings of Kris Fowler? 00:52:07 - What do you know about Kris’s mindset before he disappeared? 00:55:00 - Why was Kris Fowler’s case the most prominent of the three? 00:57:10 - What did the investigation into Sherpa’s disappearance entail? 01:02:00 - Tell us the basics of the David O’Sullivan case 01:04:00 - What’s the compelling evidence related to David’s case? 01:06:20 - Why was David’s case so much less well known than Kris’s? 01:07:57 - What were some of the mysterious sightings related to David’s case? 01:09:00 - Tell us about the various search methods used in these cases 01:12:52 - What kind of signs do people leave while hiking? 01:13:50 - Were cadaver dogs used in all three of the cases? 01:15:00 - Tell us about using drones and “squint” searching 01:17:37 - Did anyone go missing in 2018? 01:22:37 - Zach is in the book! 01:25:17 - Do you see any more information or evidence coming to light in any of these cases? 01:26:00 - How can listeners get involved? 01:27:30 - Tips for hikers preparing to thru-hike Segments Trek Propaganda: Beloved PCT Trail Angel, Donna Saufley of Hiker Heaven, Succumbs to Brain Cancer by Owen Eigenbrot QOTD: What’s the spookiest situation you’ve ever been in? Triple Crown of Halloween songs Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Ironhike endurance productions, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Peter, and Ruth S.
10/30/20232 hours, 7 minutes, 36 seconds
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#224 | Pony 4.0: The Cape Wrath Trail, A Challenging CDT Section, and Retiring from Multi-Month Backpacking

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are re-re-re joined by listener favorite and our pal, Clay Bonnyman Evans, aka Pony. We catch up on all that Pony's been up to since his last appearance on the show including a thru-hike of the Cape Wrath Trail, which he refers to as the AT of the UK, his trek from Edinburgh to Glasgow, his stint as a caretaker at Woods Hole Hostel, and his latest section hike of the Continental Divide Trail, which he cites as his most psychologically challenging hike to date. In typical Pony fashion, this chat is wild- we get an extended Scottish accent, some explicit poop stories, and we are introduced to the erotic world of hedging. You might be able to guess what that is, either way, you’re soon about to find out. We wrap the show with a feature from a Trek blogger about how backpacking made her less independent, a triple crown of bummer places to be, and Chaunce triggers the internet. Vargo Outdoors: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 20% off at vargooutdoors.com. Katabatic Gear: Use code “BPR15” for 15% off at katabaticgear.com. LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. [divider] Interview with Clay “Pony” Bonnyman Evans Pony's Instagram Pony's Website  Time stamps & Questions 00:03:48 - Reminders: Check out our new merch, submit your poop story for a chance to win a BPR RTIC mug, and apply to be a blogger! 00:05:35 - Introducing Pony 00:06:02 - Tell us your poop story 00:10:20 - Tell us about caretaking at Woods Hole hostel 00:12:25 - Tell us a second poop story 00:14:38 - Discussion about the murder you got interested in 00:17:35 - Did you consider writing a book about it? 00:19:38 - Tell us about the Cape Wrath trail 00:26:46 - What are the pros and cons of going south or north? 00:28:50 - Are you planning on doing the West Highland Way? 00:29:25 - Did you notice the accent change as you got further north? 00:31:03 - What was resupplying like? 00:33:28 - What was the camping like? 00:38:00 - Anything else you want to share on this hike? 00:40:12 - Do you remember any legends? 00:42:50 - Tell us about hiking from Edinburgh to Glasgow 00:46:33 - Which city would you return to if you could only pick one? 00:47:16 - What’s the hiking culture like? 00:50:24 - Did you do anything between Scotland and going back to the CDT? 00:51:20 - Tell us about hiking alone for the most part 00:58:30 - What constitutes a bad day on the CDT? 01:02:03 - What other things did you do to make you realize you were losing your sanity? 01:05:52 - Is it surprising to you that you’re still learning a lot about yourself? 01:07:54 - Did you have any standout favorite days? 01:11:07 - Did you do any uncommon alternates that you think more people should do? 01:14:15 - What do you attribute red line fever to? 01:17:18 - What led to you still needing to mop up some miles? 01:21:32 - Tell us about recovering from giardia 01:25:02 - How does overdoing it manifest for you? 01:30:00 - Discussion about the weather 01:31:13 - Tell us about the Glacier permit system 01:35:08 - Why don’t the national parks all use the same system? 01:39:30 - Did you have any gear you loved or loathed? 01:43:30 - Do you have any hot takes for us? 01:51:40 - What’s next for you? Segments Trek Propaganda: How Thru-Hiking Made Me Less Independent by Gillian QOTD: What is something you’ve been doing recently to intentionally annoy your partner? Trigger the Internet Triple Crown of bummer places to be Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, DoGoodPantry, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Matthew Spence, and Peter.
10/23/20232 hours, 33 minutes, 5 seconds
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#223 | Snakes 101: Bites, Myths, and Antivenom with Dr. Nick Brandehoff and Dr. Bryan Wilson

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Dr. Nick Brandehoff and Dr. Bryan Wilson of The Asclepius Snakebite Foundation to of course talk all things snakes. We cover everything you could want to know about dealing with snakes and snake bites including what to do if bitten by a snake in the backcountry in a variety of circumstances, what to do if your kid or dog is bitten by a snake, common myths about snakes and snake bites, a fornicate marry kill of snake species, what resources people ought to be aware of in dealing with snake safety, and much more. We wrap the show with the best excuses to get out of work, a triple crown of items over $1,000 that aren't living, and are small enough to be manually lifted, a new segment, trigger warning, a horseback DUI, and more! Vargo Outdoors: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 20% off at vargooutdoors.com. Katabatic Gear: Use code “BPR15” for 15% off at katabaticgear.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  [divider] Interview with Dr. Nick Brandehoff and Dr. Bryan Wilson Snakebite Foundation Website ASF Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:30 - Reminders: Check out our new merch, submit your poop story for a chance to win a BPR RTIC mug, and apply to be a blogger! 00:08:40 - Introducing Dr. Brandehoff and Dr. Wilson 00:10:00 - Tell us about your backgrounds and how you came to your current roles 00:13:27 - Why does Denver have a high concentration of toxicologists? 00:15:10 - How many snakes do each of you own? 00:15:55 - When you think of snake people, what is the stereotypical snake person? 00:17:15 - Have either of you been bitten by venomous snakes? 00:18:07 - What makes a snake venomous but not dangerous? 00:27:35 - If you get bit by a snake while out hiking, how do you get it to let go of you? 00:29:15 - How far do snakes lunge? 00:31:50 - Have snakes evolved not to rattle? 00:32:12 - If you get bit while hiking, what should you do? 00:35:00 - Discussion about the myth of using electricity to denature venom 00:36:55 - First aid tips 00:38:43 - Is it okay to move to get to medical care? 00:40:20 - Does it make more sense to hike or run? 00:41:48 - Is it a bad idea to try to slow the circulation or elevate the area? 00:42:54 - How does your knowledge impact your outdoor experience? 00:47:11 - Myth busting: are baby rattlesnakes more venomous than adults? 00:50:27 - What kind of venomous snakes are most prevalent in the United States? 00:52:00 - Can you rank the 4 snakes according to how bad it is to get bitten by them? 00:54:05 - Which of the 4 snakes would you most want to get bitten by? 00:57:05 - After you’re bit, how long do you have before a snakebite becomes lethal? 00:59:40 - Tell us about the Appalachian snake people 01:02:00 - Discussion about the long term impacts of snake bites 01:04:40 - Is antivenom the same for all snakes? 01:07:02 - How is antivenom made? 01:09:07 - Why do the antibodies have to be taken from other animals? 01:11:45 - Are you optimistic about the technology of antivenom evolving? 01:12:08 - Is it true that not all hospitals have antivenom? 01:13:50 - Discussion about poison centers (800-222-1222) 01:16:20 - What’s the craziest thing you’ve seen with the poison center? 01:20:57 - What should you do if a child or dog gets bit by a snake? 01:24:56 - Do you have any snake jokes? 01:25:30 - Fuck Marry Kill: water moccasins, rattlesnakes, copperheads 01:26:45 - If you could see any snake in the wild, what would you pick? 01:28:25 - What snake would come out the victor in a bracket? 01:29:55 - What are some rapid fire snake facts? 01:32:30 - Have you ever done any snake pranks? 01:33:35 - Why are people so afraid of snakes? 01:35:00 - Where can people learn more about you and your organization? Segments Trek Propaganda: A Camera as Company: Thru-Hiking in Scotland with a Panoramic Camera by Laura Partain QOTD:  What’s your go-to excuse for getting out of work? Triple Crown of non-living, liftable items you’d want over $1,000 Triggering the Internet Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, DoGoodPantry, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Matthew Spence, and Peter.
10/16/20232 hours, 6 minutes, 40 seconds
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#222 | How to Choose a Backpack for Thru-Hiking with Owen Eigenbrot

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are giving you an in depth run through on how to choose a backpack for thru-hiking. We are joined today by The Trek's Managing Editor, serial thru-hiker, and certified gear nerd, Owen Eigenbrot. We walk you through all the features, terminology, material types, sizing tips, and more to give you a foundational knowledge on making an educated decision when purchasing a pack for the purpose of a long-distance backpacking trek. We then share some of our top tips and offer a few specific product recommendations at the end of the panel. Whether you're just getting started in the world of backpacking, you're looking to level up your gear for future trips, or you're just curious to expand your knowledge in the world of backpacks, this podcast has got something for you. We wrap the show with a shoutout to the class of 2023 AT thru-hikers, a new segment - poop news of the week, a miserably embarrassing stupid thing of the week, and a triple crown of our preferred caffeine sources. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Katabatic Gear: Use code “BPR15” for 15% off at katabaticgear.com. LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. [divider] Panel with Owen Eigenbrot Owen's Website Owen's Trek Profile Time stamps & Questions 00:03:38 - Reminder 1: Get an exclusive monthly episode by supporting us on Patreon! 00:05:20 - Reminder 2: We have new merch! 00:06:28 - Reminder 3: Submit your Pooping in the Woods story! 00:07:22 - Reminder 4: Apply to be a Trek blogger in 2024, take the AT survey if you hiked in 2023, and make sure to use our sponsor discount codes when buying gear! 00:08:47 - Introducing Owen 00:09:51 - Give us an overview of your backpacking experience 00:14:31 - Can you introduce the Eastern Continental Trail? 00:17:19 - Introducing the structure of today’s show 00:19:05 - Sizing a pack properly and how to measure your torso 00:25:00 - Adjustable versus fixed-size packs 00:26:55 - Sizing cottage gear packs versus larger manufacturers 00:28:52 - Volume/capacity 00:33:17 - Internal frame vs. external frame vs. frameless 00:37:23 - Men’s vs. women’s vs. unisex 00:40:12 - Traditional vs. ultralight 00:43:28 - Suspension 00:50:24 - Pockets 00:56:00 - Hip belt 01:00:23 - Extension collars 01:01:55 - Closure styles: roll-top vs. cinch cord vs. others 01:06:15 - Straps and buckles 01:10:45 - Price range 01:12:24 - Waterproofness 01:14:25 - Material options 01:24:35 - Bear canister compatibility 01:27:35 - Zach’s Pack Tip #1: Of the big 3, the weight of the backpack is the least important 01:28:47 - Chaunce’s Pack Tip #1: Consider the weight your pack is designed to carry 01:30:48 - Owen’s Pack Tip #1: Use a pack liner 01:34:09 - Zach’s Pack Tip #2: Zach’s overall pack recommendation 01:36:22 - Chaunce’s Pack Tip #2: Chaunce’s overall pack recommendation Segments Trek Propaganda: Congratulations to these 2023 Appalachian Trail Thru-Hikers: Part 4 by Kendra Slagter Stupid Thing of the Week Triple Crown of caffeine sources 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, DoGoodPantry, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Matthew Spence, and Peter.
10/9/20232 hours, 14 minutes, 21 seconds
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#221 | Al "Lookout" Marriott on Hiking Through the Sierra in a Record Snow Year (PCT 2023)

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Al Marriott, known on trail as Lookout. Lookout is a 2023 PCT thru-hiker, and one of the very few who was able to connect their footsteps on a continuous northbound hike through the Sierra. This is the main course of our conversation today as we learn all about the wild conditions Lookout and his crew of 6 fellow hikers endured, including some very close call water crosses, how slow and draining the snow travel was, what snow traction worked best for his group (and it might not be what you expect), the energy requirements for this style of trekking, and the group dynamics of traveling in such close proximity for such a long time through such stressful conditions. This one is a doozy. We wrap the show with a quick overview of how much experience is needed to hike the AT, things that get less appetizing as we get older, and a triple crown of the best places for people watching. CTUG: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 15% off at chickentrampergear.com. LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  [divider] Interview with Al “Lookout” Marriott Lookout's Instagram Lookout's Youtube Time stamps & Questions 00:04:02 - Reminders: Apply to be a 2024 Trek Blogger, submit your poop stories, and follow us Patreon!  00:06:59 - Introducing Lookout 00:07:27 - Tell us about your photography setup 00:08:23 - Where are you from? 00:09:56 - Did you do any long distance backpacking in Britain? 00:11:45 - How did you come to bounce between Australia and Thailand? 00:13:16 - What permits did you need to come to the US to hike the AT? 00:17:10 - Did you feel pressure on the AT to make sure your schedule worked? 00:19:27 - What snow hiking experience did you have prior to starting the PCT? 00:20:18 - When you started, did you know you wanted to maintain a continuous footpath? 00:21:55 - Did you run into issues before getting to Kennedy Meadows? 00:26:15 - How did you find a group to enter the Sierras with? 00:31:17 - Did you use snow gear going through Apache Peak? 00:32:25 - What was your start date and when did you reach Kennedy Meadows? 00:32:46 - What was the atmosphere of other hikers on trail? 00:33:49 - Tell us about who you entered the Sierras with 00:38:42 - To what extent did your group plan out your strategy ahead of time? 00:41:38 - Picture of the South Fork San Joaquin Bridge damage 00:42:00 - Were you disappointed to skip that section? 00:45:50 - Narrate your Sierra crossing 00:57:38 - Was bringing the snowshoes a good idea? 01:03:54 - How much dry ground did you see in the Sierra? 01:05:19 - Describe the obstacles you encountered before getting to Bishop 01:06:26 - Tell us about the sketchiest water crossings 01:13:54 - Did those close calls affect your confidence or strategies going forward? 01:15:33 - How much of the Sierra was Type I vs. Type II fun? 01:18:21 - Did having a limited time visa impact your thought processes? 01:21:50 - Tell us about sketchy parts of the next stretch 01:30:16 - Tell us about getting trail magic in the Sierra 01:33:40 - Discussion about conveying what it was like to others 01:37:40 - Story about Stitches 01:44:47 - Did the group stay together or break up after the Sierra? 01:49:55 - Story about getting into Tahoe 02:01:18 - What did you get out of this experience? 02:08:04 - Are there any other gaps in topics related to snow that we could cover in the future? 02:14:16 - What was the longest stretch between resupplies? 02:16:40 - Where should people go to follow you? Segments Trek Propaganda: Can You Hike the Appalachian Trail with No Backpacking Experience? by Diane Duffard QOTD: What’s something that gets less appetizing the older you get? Triple Crown of the best places for people watching Mail Bag 5 Star Review Patreon Austen's Hike Update [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, DoGoodPantry, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Matthew Spence, and Peter.
10/2/20232 hours, 53 minutes, 9 seconds
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#220 | How to Choose a Tent for Backpacking with Owen Eigenbrot

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are giving you a thorough breakdown on all things backpacking tent related. We are joined by The Trek's Managing Editor, accomplished thru-hiker, and gear encyclopedia, Owen Eigenbrot. We introduce today's panel by giving you a thorough run-through on everything you need about backpacking tents, including the various types of tents, feature sets, terminology, material options, and more. We then do a roundtable offering our top actionable advice for picking a tent, considerations to make, and a few of our favorite specific models. Whether you're new to backpacking, are looking to level up your gear, or are curious about the various nuances of the world of tents, this podcast has something for you. We wrap the show with a triple crown of Taylor Swift songs (Owen is a certified Swiftie), we share some of our strangest beliefs, and we offer a not-so-happy update on the status of Backpacker Radio's Iceland Trip. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com. LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. CTUG: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 15% off at chickentrampergear.com. [divider] Panel with Owen Eigenbrot Owen's Website Owen's Trek Profile Timestamps & Questions 00:03:49 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon, Iceland is off, leave us a voicemail, and apply to be a Trek blogger! 00:06:48 - Introducing Owen 00:08:07 - What’s your backpacking background? 00:10:44 - What are the basics of the Eastern Continental Trail? 00:12:32 - Introducing the structure of today’s show 00:16:10 - Tent capacity 00:21:00 - Tarps and bivvies 00:23:50 - 3 vs. 4 season 00:27:25 - Single vs. double wall 00:35:05 - Trekking pole vs. (semi) freestanding 00:46:06 - Tent weight variations 00:53:18 - Common materials 01:14:25 - Bathtub floor 01:16:05 - Door location 01:19:42 - Height 01:22:55 - Bug protection 01:23:32 - Pockets 01:24:38 - Stakes 01:31:52 - Tent terminology 01:36:30 - Footprints 01:41:36 - Zach’s Tent Tip #1: If you’re new to backpacking, go with a semi-freestanding tent 01:48:54 - Owen’s Tent Tip #1: Don’t give up on 1-person shelters 01:51:10 - Chaunce’s Tent Tip #1: Measure how tall you are when sitting straight up 01:52:30 - Zach’s Tent Tip #2: Broadest audience tent recommendation 01:55:03 - Owen’s Tent Tip #2: Have realistic expectations about tents in general 01:57:00 - Chaunce’s Tent Tip #2: Consider the terrain you’ll be hiking in 01:58:01 - Owen and Chaunce’s tent recommendations Segments Trek Propaganda: The 15 Best Long-Distance Trails in the US by Diane Duffard QOTD: What is the strangest thing you believe in? One Minute Gear Review: Free Fly Bamboo Lightweight Hoodie Triple Crown of Taylor Swift songs 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, DoGoodPantry, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Matthew Spence, and Peter.
9/25/20232 hours, 32 minutes, 37 seconds
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#219 | Jonathon Stalls on his 242-Day Walk Across the United States, Pedestrian Dignity, and Healing in Nature

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Jonathon Stalls. Jonathon is a wildly interesting character who, in 2010, in search of meaning and healing, decided to walk across the length of the country. We learn all about this transformative journey, some of the standout stories along the way- including some instances of the unforeseen kindness of strangers, his alter ego of Cate Blanchett flaring up through the desert, how he was able to fund this journey, an epic poop story, how this expedition turned into his book "WALK: Slow Down, Wake Up, and Connect at 1-3 Miles Per Hour." and his current advocacy work in making urban spaces more pedestrian friendly. This is a deep and honest conversation- and we’d like to offer a trigger warning to listeners that the following interview touches on talks of suicide.  We wrap the show with a triple crown of TV shows and movies we've watched recently, a brief comparison of the Colorado Trail vs. the John Muir Trail, and a stupidest thing of the week- Zach losing his mind due to sleep deprivation edition. CTUG: Use code “Backpackerradio” to save 15% on your order at chickentrampergear.com Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com    [divider]   Interview with Jonathon Stalls Jonathon’s Instagram  WALK: Slow Down, Wake Up, and Connect at 1-3 Miles per Hour by Jonathon Stalls Intrinsic Paths Website Intrinsic Paths/Jonathon Stalls Patreon  Jonathon on TikTok   Time stamps & Questions 00:03:53 - If you can only go to one burger spot in Colorado for the rest of your life, where are you going?  00:05:22 - Reminders: If you have a good poop story, submit it here. We are now accepting 2024 blogger applications for The Trek. Apply today!  00:09:05 - Introducing Jonathon Stalls  00:10:15 - Tell us about your dad playing in the NFL  00:13:00 - Are you a football fan today?  00:13:58 - Would Zach let his boys play football?  00:15:06 - What was your sports background?  00:16:58 - How did you get into beach volleyball?  00:20:23 - How much of your life was portrayed in the movie Point Break?  00:20:40 - Where does walking come into play? 00:26:31 - What in Ireland brought out the new approach to life?  00:29:30 - What was your reaction to what you were learning in Ireland?  00:34:57 - How did your mom respond to you coming out?  00:37:23 - How should others approach the conversation?  00:40:45 - Did you know nature was healing to you prior to this hike?  00:42:12 - Walk us through deviating from the American Discovery Trail  00:46:37 - Did you have to pay the funding back?  00:47:30 - Do they give you feedback on what businesses you help?  00:49:42 - How did you select your walking route?  00:55:28 - Let’s hear a poop story!  01:06:40 - How did you balance wanting to be in nature and wanting to engage with communities?  01:10:25 - Did you also find healing in the interaction with others?  01:12:37 - Explain the practices you used to find kinship with nature  01:16:20 - Do you have a favorite tree?  01:19:29 - Do you have a desire to reinvent yourself on a long trail?  01:23:25 - Do you find it frustrating to see the direction of society today?  01:26:13 - What are some wins you’ve witnessed in your work?  01:29:42 - What parts of Denver are most walkable?  01:33:29 - Have you walked the full length of Colfax?  01:34:30 - Tell us about “Walk to Connect” and “Walking Leaders”  01:38:37 - Was there a stretch of trail that wasn’t enjoyable?  01:45:23 - Do you have a specific term for your cross-country walk?  01:45:55 - Was there a specific moment where you felt you were healing on your journey?  01:48:38 - Is there anything about the journey or the book you’d like to relay to listeners?  01:50:32 - What do we need to know about pedestrian dignity?  01:52:54 - Zach Anner & The Quest for the Rainbow Bagel 01:57:00 - Impact of TikTok  01:59:00 - Wrap up: Where to find Jonathon Stalls   Segments  Trek Propaganda: The Colorado Trail vs. The John Muir Trail: Which Trail is Better? By Katie Jackson  Thing of the Week Triple Crown of shows/movies you’ve watched recently 5 Star Review   [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, DoGoodPantry, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns.   A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Matthew Spence, and Peter.
9/18/20232 hours, 31 minutes, 56 seconds
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#218 | Ultralight Backpacking Tips with Carl "Professor" Stanfield

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are talking all things ultralight backpacking. We're joined by our pal and thru-hiker extraordinaire, Carl Stanfield aka "Professor", as the three of us share some of our top tips for reducing pack weight. The advice in this episode covers the full spectrum, from broad-based philosophical ways to approach what should and should not be in your pack, to more granular tips for simple and cost-effective ways of going UL. Whether you're hoping to thru-hike a triple crown trail or lighten the load a bit for your weekend outing, this one has insightful and practical pointers for you. We wrap the show with a quick overview of a new ultralight material being used for tarps and tents- and the relative pros and cons, but more importantly, we do the triple crown of the top benefits of an alien invasion which devolves into the most insane debate in Backpacker Radio history. Chaunce goes pure red face.   CTUG: Use code “Backpackerradio” to save 15% on your order at chickentrampergear.com Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com  PACT Outdoors: Use code “TREK20” for 20% off and free shipping at pactoutdoors.com. [divider] Panel with Carl Stanfield  Carl’s Instagram  Time stamps & Questions 00:03:58 - Reminders: Join us in Iceland for Summer of 2024! Support us on Patreon! Lastly, if you have a good poop story, submit it here!  00:09:34 - Welcoming Carl “Professor” Stanfield  00:09:49 - What have you been up to lately?  00:13:23 - What do you do with your short break?  00:14:39 - How many days did you get off?  00:17:24 - What was your day-to-day?  00:20:24 - Tell us about your new girlfriend! 00:22:21 - Can you give us a brief overview of your hiking resume?  00:23:30 - Panel introduction: Ultralight Backpacking  00:26:30 - Chaunce’s #1: Get used to doing less  00:31:03 - Professor’s #1: Be adaptable 00:34:41 - What does everyone do when you don’t have a utensil?  00:38:11 - Badger’s #1: Don’t carry too much water  00:49:59 - Chaunce’s #2: Compare weights when shopping for gear  00:53:38 - Professor’s #2: Of the big 4, invest in a lightweight tent  01:09:30 - Shelter satisfaction results from The Trek’s hiker survey  01:12:24 - Badger’s #2: Remove redundancy  01:36:00 - Chaunce’s #3: You don’t need to bring your hobbies with you  01:48:17 - Professor’s #3: Dial in your food consumption  02:07:11 - Professor’s Hot Take: Make up for calories in town  02:10:47 - Chaunce’s Final Thoughts: Eat your dinner to get your dessert  02:17:00 - Zach’s #3: Use Smart Water bottles instead of Nalgenes 02:24:00 - Panel wrap-up Segments  Trek Propaganda: UltraTNT: The Newest Material for Ultralight Tarps & Tents By Joal and Jenny  Triple crown of alien invasion benefits  [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, DoGoodPantry, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Matthew Spence, and Peter.
9/11/20233 hours, 1 minute, 52 seconds
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#217 | Gillian Larson aka the Thru-Rider on Covering 10,000 Miles on Horseback: Logistics, Advice, and Favorite Stories

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by long-distance thru-rider Gillian Larson. Yes, thru-rider. Gillian has more than 10,000 backcountry wilderness miles via horseback, including two thru-rides of the Pacific Crest Trail, the Continental Divide Trail, the Arizona Trail, and the Colorado Trail. Gillian was the youngest person to solo-thru ride the PCT in 2014, and became the first person to thru-ride both the PCT and CDT. We of course ambush Gillian with an onslaught of ignorant questions of what it takes to complete one of these long trails via horseback. We went into this chat assuming the logistics of a thru-ride were tough, and oh boy, did we underestimate that. A fascinating conversation, we think you'll really dig this one. We wrap the show with a recap and some of Badger's top takeaways from his recent 3-night trek through Washington's Goat Rock Wilderness, a triple crown of things that float, and what range of times are appropriate for dinner. Visit Iceland with Chaunce and Badger: Registration is live for our 2024 trip to Iceland. Come and hike to glaciers, waterfalls, and secret lagoons with your favorite podcast hosts. More info here!  Goodr: Use the code “Backpacker” for a free shipping discount at www.goodr.com/backpacker  Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKESHELTER20” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com PACT Outdoors: Use code “TREK20” for 20% off and free shipping at pactoutdoors.com. Interview with Gillian Larson Gillian Larson Instagram  Gillian Larson Website  Time stamps & Questions 00:04:02 - Reminders: We’re still collecting poop stories for our book. Send your story here! Join us in Iceland for Summer of 2024! 00:08:30 - Introducing Gillian  00:09:11 - What got you into the horse life?  00:10:50 -Did your mom ever nudge you in the direction of competitions?  00:12:18 - Was your mom excited about your thru-riding adventures?  00:14:10 - Do you have siblings?  00:14:34 - How old were you when you completed your solo ride?  00:17:08 - How did you prepare for a thru-ride?  00:21:09 - How do you manage two horses at a time?  00:24:32 - What differentiates a pack horse from a riding horse?  00:25:50 - When you get off to walk, what is generally the reasoning?  00:27:05 - Do horses sweat?  00:27:34 - Are they at risk for dehydration?  00:28:40 - Do you have to hide the water caches off trail?  00:29:31 - If you walk with the horses, do you have to guide them with a leash?  00:30:27 - Do horses respond to their names?  00:32:34 - Are horses spooked by thunderstorms?  00:32:58 - How much is a horse’s personality nurture vs. nature?  00:34:25 - How much does it cost to feed a horse a day?  00:35:40 - After the desert, are you able to rely on grass for feeding?  00:39:34 - How did you handle finding routes with the low meadow access?  00:42:53 - Tell us about the camping experience  00:44:52 - Do you have the same permit system as hikers?  00:46:36 - Do you have to change horseshoes?  00:49:20 - Can you replace shoes on trail?  00:50:30 - How much does it cost for shoe maintenance?  00:54:08 - If you didn’t have support, how did you manage trail towns?  00:56:10 - Do you have any instances where you’d go to town without any support?  00:57:36 - Would you say thru-riding prevents you from having a social experience on trail?  00:58:20 - Is it ever tricky to rely on help from online fans?  01:03:15 - Is that the common way to self-support?  01:04:10 - Do you feel compelled to complete the whole trail, in a purist way?  01:06:22 - Is there etiquette around horse poop on trail?  01:08:40 - Horse poop not smelling like horse poop  01:10:54 - Were you able to connect all the miles on the PCT in 2014?  01:13:15 - Have you ever let hikers ride your horses?  01:14:14 - Any wild animal encounters?  01:16:48 - Do the horses have any favorite snacks?  01:17:42 - How do horses react when seeing a moose?  01:19:31 - What animals are horses afraid of?  01:20:25 - Can a horse outrun a cougar?  01:22:11 - Do you carry bear spray?  01:23:57 - How does your bond change with your horses when thru-riding?  01:33:42 - What other gear do you carry that a backpacker wouldn’t?  01:37:21 - What trail is most horse-friendly?  01:39:11 - Is there a reason you picked the PCT for a second ride?  01:40:48 - If someone wanted to do this, what should they budget for?  01:43:09 - How long does a saddle last?  01:45:48 - Do you know you share a name with someone on Survivor?  01:47:17 - What does “retiring” a horse consist of?  01:48:32 - What should people do if they see a horse on trail?  01:51:16 - Is there a standard distance that a hiker should stand away from the horse?  01:52:08 - Can you get a DUI on a horse?  01:52:25 - What are your favorite horse-girl movies?  01:55:08 - Where can people get in touch with you?  01:57:05 - What is an FAQ that we haven’t asked?  01:58:18 - Thank you Gillian!    Segments  QOTD: What timeframe is appropriate for dinner?  Thing of the Week  Triple Crown of things that float  5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, DoGoodPantry, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Matthew Spence, and Peter.
9/4/20232 hours, 30 minutes, 8 seconds
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#216 | Sara "Tide Walker" Leibold on 10,000 Solo Human-Powered Miles, Rowing the Mississippi River, and Working at ESPN

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Sara Leibold. Sara is a solo adventurer, thru-hiker, writer, and vlogger with more than 10,000 human-powered miles under her belt. Her adventures include several thru-hikes, for which we zoom in on her hikes of the AT, Benton MacKaye, and most recently, the Hayduke. We also learn about her wild adventure of rowing the length of the Mississippi River, from source to sea. And we get a run down on Sara's many odd jobs, including ridge running on the AT, working in production for ESPN, and more. We wrap the show with sad news of an AT hiker who turned up deceased in Vermont, the triple crown of worst appetizers, and what petty hills we are willing to die on. But first. Visit Iceland with Chaunce and Badger: Registration is live for our 2024 trip to Iceland. Come and hike to glaciers, waterfalls, and secret lagoons with your favorite podcast hosts. More info here!  Range Meal Bars: Use code “THETREK” for 20% off at rangemealbar.com. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Interview with Sara Leibold Sara Leibold Instagram  Sara on YouTube  Sara’s Website Time stamps & Questions 00:03:38 - Reminders: We’re still collecting poop stories for our book. Send your story here! Join us on Patreon for more chaos!  00:07:27 - Welcoming Sara  00:08:01 - How did you get your trail name, Tide?  00:8:48 - Tell us about your Master’s thesis  00:10:14 - Why focus on the Arizona Trail?  00:11:41 - Were you able to capture cause and effect?  00:12:50 - Did your interest in low impact travel stem from your graduate program?  00:13:45 - How do you define low impact travel?  00:14:38 - Is there a style of outdoor adventure that’s lower impact?  00:15:08 - Who did you pull your low impact inspiration from?  00:15:50 - Can you give us your trail resume?  00:18:30 - When was your AT start and finish date?  00:19:29 - What put the AT on your mind?  00:20:00 - Did you complete it in four months?  00:20:26 - Did you have a light pack at least?  00:20:38 - What was the response to doing the AT in 2011?  00:21:44 - Did you let your hair grow throughout your hike?  00:22:00 - Any big highlights from the AT?  00:22:47 - Tell us about your river trip  00:23:54 - What was your sport in college?  00:24:10 - Tell us about the Suwannee river 00:24:40 - What was it like traveling with your dad?  00:25:17 - Did you do the full length of the river?  00:25:40 - How did you plan for your river trip?  00:26:30 - Tell us about the Natchez Trail bike ride  00:27:19 - How long did it take you? 00:27:44 - Are you a fast swimmer as well  00:28:10 - Are all of your trips intentionally low impact?  00:29:09 - What brought you back to that AT after your bikepacking trip?  00:30:56 - Did you encounter a lot of weekend warriors?  00:32:04 - What type of crash course tips could you give a new hiker?  00:33:20 - What is that smell experience like?  00:35:12 - What’s the turnover rate for ridge runners?  00:36:36 - How often did you encounter bears in the Shenandoah?  00:38:03 - What are the redeeming qualities of ridgerunning?  00:40:10 - Do you have housing for ridgerunning?  00:40:34 - What’s the time commitment?  00:41:57 - Do you have insider names or terminology?  00:44:59 - What was the best culinary experience of the Camino? 00:46:24 - Tell us about the Anna Purna Circuit?  00:37:31 - What was drawing you to international hikes?  00:48:07 - Did you ever feel a pull to go do the PCT or CDT?  00:49:15 - How did you sustain a lifestyle of year-round hiking and traveling?  00:50:12 - Did you ever have doubts living your lifestyle?  00:51:56 - Do you have any advice for people stuck in the comparison phase? 00:53:09 - Do you foresee yourself settling for a different lifestyle?  00:55:13 - Where do you think you gained your independence?  00:56:13 - Tell us about your source-to-sea adventure  00:58:18 - What did you do for butt padding?  00:58:45 - Was it similar to college rowing?  00:59:35 - Are there stretches where you could swim?  01:00:17 - How do you manage going through a lock and dam?  01:02:29 - Was any of this Type 2 fun?  01:03:12 - What’s the safety like?  01:05:30 - How long did it take you?  01:05:53 - What job opportunity presented itself?  01:06:48 - How did you fall into this job?  01:09:58 - What are your top favorite seasonal jobs?  01:13:19 - Do you ever take souvenirs from the US Open?  01:16:51 - Anything else notable about your Mississippi voyage?  01:18:36 - What was on your gear list for the Mississippi trip?  01:19:52 - What do you eat?  01:20:10 - What are redeeming qualities of cold soaking?  01:22:09 - What do you cold soak in your resupply boxes?  01:24:12 - How did you land in the hospital? Ramen overdose?  01:27:30 - Tell us about the Netherlands/Belgium bikepack trip?  01:31:18 - How much time are you spending on the bike vs. exploring cities?  01:31:55 - What would you recommend for those hoping to do a similar trip?  01:33:12 - Tell us about your Benton MacKaye hike 01:33:50 - What is a census job?  01:36:15 - How did the Pinhoti compare to the Benton MacKaye trail?  01:37:31 - What’s the elevator pitch for the Benton MacKaye trail?  01:39:05 - Tell us about the Hayduke  01:43:43 - Where did things get scary?  01:46:06 - How did you prepare for the Hayduke?  01:54:50 - At what point did you feel the imposter syndrome dissipate?  01:56:04 - How has doing the Hayduke impacted future hikes?  01:57:31 - Tell us about the book you’re writing?  02:00:02 - Thank you, Sara!  Segments  Trek Propaganda: Missing Appalachian Trail Hiker Found Dead in Vermont by Owen Eigenbrot QOTD: What is a petty hill you would die on?  Triple crown of worst appetizers  Mail Bag  5 Star Reviews  [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, DoGoodPantry, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Matthew Spence, and Peter.
8/28/20232 hours, 25 minutes, 30 seconds
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#215 | Heidi Nisbett on Her Thru-Hiking Art, Being a Hiking Guide, and A Wild Rescue Story from the CDT

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Heidi Nisbett aka Sketch. Heidi is a thru-hiker, hiking guide, and an exceptionally talented artist, having recently been commissioned to paint a giant mural at the Trail Center in Damascus. Heidi gives us the lowdown on why she loved the Foothills Trail, the Superior Hiking Trail, Pinhoti Trail, and more. We also go in-depth on Heidi's journey as an artist, how she fell in love with it as a kid, fell out of love with it post-college, and rekindled the flame during her time hiking the AT. She shares her top advice to aspiring trail-focused artists, we learn about a CDT thru-hike that went wildly awry, and we chat the best and worst beer styles. This is another fun chat guaranteed to bring a smile to your head. We wrap the show with reasons why the Florida Trail is actually awesome, I'm shamed for liking things I'm good at, we do a triple crown of hiking things we just don't get, a Florida Man segment, and much more.  Visit Iceland with Chaunce and Badger: Registration is live for our 2024 trip to Iceland. Come and hike to glaciers, waterfalls, and secret lagoons with your favorite podcast hosts. More info here!  Range Meal Bars: Use code “THETREK” for 20% off at rangemealbar.com. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. PACT Outdoors: Use code “TREK20” for 20% off and free shipping at pactoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Heidi Nisbett  Heidi Nisbett Instagram  Sketching Summits website Sketching Summits TikTok  Time stamps & Questions 00:03:05 - Reminders: Chaunce is unwell & we’re still collecting poop stories for our book. Send your story here!   00:08:54 - Introducing Heidi Nisbett 00:09:42 - Is it safe to say you’re a beer connoisseur?  00:09:55 - What’s the style of beer you’re into now?  00:10:07 - Do you have a favorite wheat beer?  00:10:24 - What is your trail name and the origin?  00:11:10 - Why didn’t you like the name Picasso? 00:11:56 - What did Picasso do for art history?  00:12:45 - Were you sketching at all shelter logs?  00:13:58 - How long do the paintings take you?  00:14:58 - Was it hard to maintain a social group if you stop to paint?  00:15:40 - Do most people break up with art after their degree?  00:20:07 - When did art stand out as something you were talented in?  00:20:50 - Do you come from artsy people?  00:22:58 - At what point were you getting positive feedback on your art?  00:23:40 - What role did social media play as you re-entered the art world?  00:26:13 - What happens between your art career and hiking the AT?  00:29:11 - How does a paint and sip class work?  00:30:44 - What tips do you have for amateur artists?  00:34:00 - Tell us about your style of art now  00:35:08 - How would you describe the style of art?  00:37:36 - How did you transition from art girl to hiking girl?  00:40:28 - What was your hiking experience prior to the AT?  00:42:06 - Tell us about the evolution of your art as you hiked along the AT?  00:44:46 - How did you decide to make your art your full-time business after hiking?  00:47:20 - What draws people in the most?  00:48:40 - How do you overcome imposter syndrome?  00:49:50 - Tell us about your work with the ATC  00:52:52 - Was that your first mural?  00:54:40 - How does it work when painting around features in the room?  00:55:44 - Is this the piece of art that has consumed the most amount of your time?  00:55:52 - What is the second longest?  00:56:51 - What’s the most popular piece of art?  00:57:22 - What do you mail most often?  00:59:07 - How do you determine what to turn into a sticker?  01:00:23 - Have you asked if the Pinhoti has any mural needs?  01:02:10 - How was the Pinhoti?  01:04:30 - Why pick the Pinhoti over other trails?  01:05:48 - How does the difficulty compare to the AT?  01:06:54 - Is there a bad time of year to hike the Pinhoti?  01:08:01 - Would you pick Pinhoti or Superior Hiking Trail?  01:09:42 - How was the Foothills Trail?  01:11:57 - What’s the hiking culture in North Carolina?  01:12:56 - Are you familiar with the Overmountain Trail?  01:15:23 - FMK…Beer styles  01:16:53 - FMK…Landscape, Animal, or People Artwork  01:18:30 - FMK…Watercolor, Oils, or Acrylic Paintings 01:19:07 - FMK…Pinhoti, Superior Hiking Trail, or Mountains to Sea trail 01:20:36 - How did the CDT attempt go?  01:23:24 - Tell us about the double helicopter evacuation you witnessed  01:30:33 - Were you able to enjoy fun van activities?  01:31:27 - What’s the proposal story?  01:35:40 - Tell us about guiding  01:38:12 - How do you experience a hike differently as a guide?  01:39:19 - If someone wants you as their guide, how do they request that?  01:40:53 - Tell us about your watercolor trips?  01:43:11 - Did your art background play a role in getting hired as a guide?  01:44:16 - Do you have any advice for someone who is trying to find their start in the art world?  01:46:25 - What was your top hike in Guatemala?  01:47:53 - What did you say your husband does?  01:48:15 - Thank you, Heidi!   Segments  Trek Propaganda: 11 Reasons The Florida Trail Is Awesome by Owen Eigenbrot QOTD: What is something you’re good at, but don’t enjoy doing?  Voicemails  Thing of the week  Triple crown of hiking things you just don’t get  Florida man + birthdate  Gross or Not Gross Chaunce QOTD: How is it living with Garrett?  Mail Bag 5 Star Review   [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, DoGoodPantry, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Matthew Spence, and Peter.
8/21/20232 hours, 42 minutes, 33 seconds
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#214 | Tisha McCombs, Executive Director of the Colorado Trail Foundation

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek we are joined by new Executive Director at the Colorado Trail Foundation, Tisha McCombs. Tisha gives us a rundown on her journey to becoming the head at the CTF, what her vision is for the Colorado Trail moving forward, all that goes into maintaining the CT and where help is most needed, and much more. We also chat a bit about the role mountain biking plays into sustaining many trails throughout Colorado, what her top advice is to aspiring adventurers - coming from the perspective of an adventure and life coach, and a fuck marry kill of the sections of the Colorado Trail. We wrap the show with a triple crown of ways to insult thru-hikers, a review of the updated version of the Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Xlite from a former guest of the show, and a new segment, plug me.   PACT Outdoors: Use code “TREK20” for 20% off and free shipping at pactoutdoors.com. Visit Iceland with Chaunce and Badger: Registration is live for our 2024 trip to Iceland. Come and hike to glaciers, waterfalls, and secret lagoons with your favorite podcast hosts. More info here!  Range Meal Bars: Use code “THETREK” for 20% off at rangemealbar.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKESHELTER20” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com.  RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Tisha McCombs Tisha McCombs Instagram Colorado Trail Foundation  Time stamps & Questions 00:05:02 - Reminders: Find us on YouTube and Patreon  00:06:03 - Introducing Tisha McCombs  00:06:24 - Does Tisha give us Mims vibes?  00:07:22 - Packing resupply boxes  00:13:16 - Walk us through your previous work prior to your new role with the CT 00:15:45 - Check out the CTF store 00:16:45 - Should we treat this as trading cards?  00:17:37 - Between CA and CO, what are some National Park recommendations you’d give?  00:19:20 - Tell us about your other non-profit experience  00:20:04 - Were you responsible for the Palisade Plunge?  00:20:50 - Were you primarily managing people at COPMOBA?  00:21:37 - What are some of the challenges with volunteer work?  00:23:36 - Have there been any oopsies with volunteers?  00:25:08 - Are the trails for hikers as well, or only mountain bikers?  00:25:46 - Is there any tension between mountain bikers and hikers?  00:29:24 - Do mountain bikers think e-bikers are lazy?  00:29:46 - How much do e-bikes and dirt bikes impact trails compared to mountain biking?  00:33:36 - What are the rebates that CO is giving on e-bikes?  00:36:30 - If you could only bike or hike the rest of your life, what would you pick?  00:37:15 - How does the spine injury impact wearing a backpack?  00:38:35 - Do you have a favorite pack that helps?  00:39:41 - The CT is a multi-purpose trail. How do you make decisions that benefit all uses?  00:43:34 - Do you get funds from dirt bike tags?  00:45:19 - How does trail maintenance differ between mountain biking and hiking?  00:46:33 - What would you like to do differently as the new Executive Director of the CTF?  00:51:53 - What type of money does it take to maintain trails?  00:59:15 - Why do you think there is so much interest in making the CT the best maintained trail in the US?  01:02:18 - How do you increase volunteer interest?  01:06:26 - Did you go through similar feelings with your son?  01:08:09 - Did you ever get resistance from your son when trying to bring him to your activities?  01:11:17 - What are some specific needs of the CTF? 01:15:17 - What’s one of the best trail crew meals you’ve had?  01:16:22 - If options were endless, what would you do for the CT? 01:17:40 - What logistics would go into removing road walks?  01:18:55 - What are your two other wishes for the CTF?  01:21:59 - Are there any transportation recommendations?  01:22:58 - What about park & ride options?  01:24:01 - Are there apps for private parking spaces?  01:26:16 - What are top business ideas for someone who wants to offer value to the trail?  01:29:18 - Is there anywhere along the trail to do mail drops?  01:31:39 - Is there a shuttle into Lake City?  01:33:59 - Tell us about your work as a life coach  01:37:33 - Is there one element that merges adventure, career, and trauma?  01:40:23 - Are there any go-to fly fishing spots along the CT?  01:41:51 - Is it catch-and-release along the trail?  01:42:20 - FMK for Colorado Trail Segments  01:45:15 - Thank you, Tisha!  01:45:43 - Visit www.coloradotrail.org   Segments  QOTD: How old are you in your mind?  Trek Propaganda: Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XLite NXT Sleeping Pad Review Thing of the Week QOTD 2: What’s the most unethical thing you’d do to save money?  Triple Crown of ways to insult thru-hikers  Mail Bag/Plug Me: The Unseen by Mike Clelland 5 Star Review  [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.   A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, DoGoodPantry, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns.   A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Matthew Spence, and Peter.
8/14/20232 hours, 28 minutes, 20 seconds
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#213 | Andrew Terrill on his 7,000 mile journey from southern Italy to northern Norway, encounters with The Mafia, and battling snow in the Alps

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by fellow Goldenite, Andrew Terrill. Starting in 1997, Andrew walked more than 7,000 miles from the southernmost point of Italy to northern Norway, an 18-month journey across the wild parts of Europe. Needless to say, learning about this unique and fascinating trek is the focus of today's chat, as we learn what inspired Andrew to take on this route that no one had ever done previously, how he was received by locals throughout his journey, standout stories from his adventure- including running into the Italian mafia, his favorite stretches of trail, and how this journey helped him overcome his social anxiety. This hike is unlike anything we've ever featured on the podcast, and we think you'll really enjoy learning more about Andrew's story.  We wrap the show with news of a giveaway The Trek is hosting, featuring nearly $15,000 worth of backpacking gear, what our "liked it before it was cool" brags are, the Triple Crown of things that are the modern-day cigarette, and an epic listener email on the legality of stabbing people who enter your tent. Range Meal Bars: Use code “THETREK” for 20% off at rangemealbar.com. PACT Outdoors: Use code “TREK20” for 20% off and free shipping at pactoutdoors.com. Goodr: Use code “BACKPACKER” for free shipping on your first order at goodr.com/backpacker. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKESHELTER20” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com.  RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Andrew Terrill Andrew Terrill Website Andrew’s Instagram Andrew’s Facebook  Time stamps & Questions 00:04:55 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon 00:05:54 - Introducing Andrew Terrill  00:06:31 - Tell us about living in Golden, CO  00:07:04 - Why Golden instead of other Colorado cities?  00:07:59 - How did you meet your wife?  00:10:23 - Were you appreciative of the email addresses?  00:11:14 - What was the inspiration for your journey?  00:14:25 - What were you doing for work at the time? 00:15:28 - Did you get any support in quitting your job to hike?  00:17:10 - Can you tell us the scary story from the Pyrenees?  00:20:36 - What injuries did you get?  00:22:58 - How did that experience not make you shy away from hiking?  00:23:50 - Did you dread sharing the news of your fall?  00:25:02 - It’s 1997, how did you plan the logistics?  00:27:58 - How many times was the lucky coin unlucky?  00:29:26 - Did your fall make you want to pursue risk more?  00:31:07 - Tell us about being warned of the mafia  00:34:10 - Do you speak Italian? 00:34:32 - Was the threat of the mafia present through the full trip?  00:36:32 - Tell us about your gear back then?  00:39:30 - What happens when you leave Calambria?  00:40:51 - What mistakes did you think you made?  00:42:12 - Tell us about getting lost?  00:45:42 - What were the logistics of camping on this journey? 00:48:26 - Why did you get turned away from the hotel?  00:50:52 - Tell us about the shepherds you met along the way? 00:55:28 - What there a specific turning point?  00:56:25 - Tell us about your encounter with wild boars 00:57:41 - Any bear or wolf encounters?  01:01:23 - How did you overcome your social anxieties?  01:08:12 - Do you attribute your hike to resolving those anxieties?  01:09:22 - Tell us about hiking through the Dolomites  01:11:36 - Were there other historic sites you stumbled upon?  01:12:30 - Can you give us more specifics about the route you took?  01:13:50 - How do you handle the Alps in the winter?  01:20:41 - Is it challenging to plan food resupply?  01:22:15 - Were you ravenous after this journey?  01:22:45 - Did you have any unique culinary experiences?  01:23:54 - What types of freelance work were you doing for money?  01:25:03 - Did you ever lose any film?  01:25:38 - If you could highlight a 50-100 miles stretch in each of the countries, which would you recommend?  01:28:14 - Are there polar bears in the arctic?  01:29:08 - What kind of wildlife is there?  01:30:01 - Did you deal with short days in Norway?  01:30:36 - Did you have trouble sleeping?  01:30:52 - What should we ask you?  01:33:34 - If someone wants to follow your route, what advice would you give?  01:35:00 - Books: The Earth Beneath my Feet and On Sacred Ground   SEGMENTS QOTD: What was your “I liked it before it was cool” brag?  Trek Propaganda: It’s Still Summer Giveaway  Stupidest thing of the week  Happy National Raspberry and Cream Day  Triple Crown of things that are the modern day cigarette  Cinnamon Court  Mail Bag  5 Star Review    [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, DoGoodPantry, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Matthew Spence, and Peter.
8/7/20232 hours, 5 minutes, 16 seconds
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#212 | Mandy "Veggie" Redpath and Kevin "Karma" Savage on 30,000+ Trail Miles, the Low to High Route, Scottish National Trail, and Camino de Santiago

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek we are joined by Mandy "Veggie" Redpath and Kevin "Karma" Savage.  Combined, the pair have accumulated more than 30,000 trail miles, and an endless number of stories to boot.  We get a detailed breakdown comparing a few different variations of Camino de Santiago- Frances, del Norte, and Primativo, a serendipitous hitchhike which kick-started their romantic journey, their first shared trek on the Pacific Northwest Trail, the Hayduke Trail, Oregon Coast Trail, Low to High Route, Scottish National Trail, Grand Enchantment Trail, and more.  In a nutshell, if you like trail stories and beta, you will dig this chat. We wrap the show with a Trek propaganda presented by today's guest on why you should thru-hike trails other than the AT PCT or CDT, the triple crown of things that you eat when you're sick, and the ways in which we align with the boomers. Range Meal Bars: Use code “THETREK” for 20% off at rangemealbar.com. PACT Outdoors: Use code “TREK20” for 20% off and free shipping at pactoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKESHELTER” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com.  RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Mandy and Kevin Mandy's Instagram Karma's Instagram Mandy & Karma's Website Time stamps & Questions 00:04:42 - QOTD: What makes you go, “I’m with the boomers on this one”? 00:06:18 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon! 00:07:42 - Introducing Veggie and Karma 00:08:27 - Give us your trail resumes 00:11:47 - We Love Love: tell us about how you met 00:15:40 - Tell us more about falling in love 00:18:08 - Tell us about the start of the Pacific Northwest Trail 00:19:50 - Was the spark there on the CDT? 00:21:56 - What did you do after the Pacific Northwest Trail?00:23:56 - Tell us more about the various Camino routes you’ve done 00:27:46 - How much do the different routes overlap? 00:29:00 - Give us a pitch for each of the routes you did 00:32:11 - What did you use the trail guide for? 00:34:06 - Describe the water situation 00:35:00 - Describe the lodging 00:37:40 - What’s the language barrier like? 00:39:13 - What drew you to doing the Camino multiple times back to back? 00:42:02 - What did you do your thesis on? 00:43:00 - What type of injuries do people get? 00:44:51 - Give your best elevator pitch for the Camino 00:48:50 - Tell us about hiking the AT 00:51:00 - How did the AT compare to the Camino? 00:54:30 - What standout story do you have from the AT? 00:58:20 - Do you have any beginner mistake stories from the AT? 00:59:35 - Tell us about the Colorado Trail 01:05:37 - How did you get accustomed to dealing with afternoon thunderstorms on the CT? 01:06:14 - Tell us about the Pacific Crest Trail 01:08:09 - Describe PCTAZDKO 01:09:04 - Did the ice ax lessons come in handy? 01:11:00 - How did you navigate the PCT in 2012? 01:13:02 - Do you have any strong feelings about people’s dependence on Far Out? 01:15:03 - Have you ever needed a compass in addition to paper maps? 01:17:20 - Discussion about wildfires on the PCT 01:19:00 - Any standout stories from the CDT? 01:22:32 - How bound to the red line were you coming from the AT? 01:25:07 - How did the CDT last year compare to 2015? 01:27:15 - Why is the Wyoming Basin awesome? 01:29:35 - How did you first get into wildlife photography? 01:31:38 - Why do you like bird watching? 01:34:00 - Discussion about bird songs 01:37:21 - What is the best part about hiking with your partner? 01:39:30 - How do you help the other person when they’re having an off mental day? 01:43:58 - Any standout stories from the Hayduke? 01:46:00 - Zach and Chaunce have a fight 01:49:07 - What made you decide to do the Oregon Coast Trail? 01:51:55 - Tell us about the remoteness of the Oregon Coast Trail? 01:54:23 - How does the scenery change as you progress along the trail? 01:55:08 - What section of the trail would you hike again if you could? 01:56:12 - Tell us about the Kalalau Trail in Hawaii? 01:58:57 - Is the permit process difficult? 01:59:54 - Tell us about the Wonderland Trail 02:01:45 - Tell us about the Low to High Route 02:06:05 - Tell us about your scorpion encounters 02:08:40 - Has anyone gotten stung by a scorpion? 02:10:15 - What was the weather like on the Low to High Route? 02:13:01 - How did the AT compare going sobo instead of nobo? 02:14:35 - Any standout stories from the Arizona Trail in 2019? 02:16:04 - Tell us about the Scottish National Trail 02:18:18 - What is the Scottish take on Braveheart? 02:20:00 - Give us the pitch for the Scottish National Trail 02:21:32 - How often did you resupply? 02:22:00 - Tell us about being vegan and finding food options internationally 02:25:14 - Why did you decide to become vegan? 02:29:20 - Do you adhere to vegan gear and apparel as well? 02:30:25 - What is the most annoying thing about hiking with the other person? 02:33:14 - What’s your best gear idea? 02:33:52 - Tell us about the Grand Enchantment Trail 02:37:35 - Give us your top wildlife photography pictures you’ve taken 02:41:05 - How do you finance your hiking? 02:45:20 - Do you have any recommendations for making hiking a lifestyle? 02:47:10 - Are you pursuing any additional passions or careers? 02:49:05 - When are you getting engaged? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda 5 Reasons To Hike Trails Other Than the Triple Crown by Mandy “Veggie” Redpath National Mutt Day Thought of the Week Triple Crown of things to eat when you’re sick Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, DoGoodPantry, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Matthew Spence, and Peter.
7/31/20233 hours, 27 minutes, 25 seconds
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#211 | Matteo Volpi on Starting a UL Gear Company in Mexico, Entrepreneurship Lessons, and Backpacking in the US

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Matteo Volpi, the CEO of Volpi Outdoor Gear, the Mexico-based UL gear company.  We talk about what it's like to run a cottage gear company out of Mexico, a country without much of a long-distance backpacking culture.  We learn about what goes into starting and running a new business, how he designs the products he uses and sells, the challenges of managing a team, and much more.  We also talk about Matteo's hikes on the PCT and Colorado Trail and his love affair with backpacking in the US. We wrap the show with a brief overview (and hopefully some foreshadowing) of the UK's 230-mile Cape Wrath Trail, the Triple Crown of activities that aren't but feel like sports, and some further education on the subject of real people who exist that don't have internal monologues who are real people that really exist. Range Meal Bars: Use code “THETREK” for 20% off at rangemealbar.com. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKESHELTER20” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com. [divider] Interview with Matteo Volpi Matteo's Instagram Volpi Outdoor Gear Instagram Volpi Outdoor Gear Website Time stamps & Questions 00:03:39 - Support us on Patreon! 00:05:14 - Introducing Matteo  00:06:05 - How did you get your trail name? 00:09:05 - How did you first get introduced to thru-hiking? 00:09:58 - Tell us about Guadalajara 00:12:35 - Are there any long trails or public land in Mexico? 00:14:48 - Is there any sort of backpacking culture in Mexico? 00:16:40 - Discussion about gear access and outdoor retailers in Mexico 00:20:40 - What’s the process for getting a visa for hiking the PCT 00:23:30 - What was it like starting at the Mexico-US border? 00:25:10 - Did you face any sort of racism or unpleasant behavior? 00:26:40 - Tell us about your early days on the PCT 00:30:28 - What are the top three non-obvious places to visit in Mexico? 00:37:00 - What highlights do you have from your first days of the PCT? 00:40:40 - When did you start your gear company? 00:42:11 - How did you get started with your gear? 00:45:13 - How do you make the packs? 00:48:24 - How do you source the fabrics? 00:55:40 - What led you to start your gear company? 00:57:11 - How hard is it to ship internationally? 00:59:00 - Tell us about hiking the Colorado Trail with your pack 01:00:03 - What are your favorite features of your backpack? 01:02:50 - How many miles do you typically do a day? 01:04:52 - How do you manage your time hiking, running a company, and going to school? 01:06:19 - What are you hoping to accomplish by going to college and studying GIS? 01:08:07 - How big is your team? 01:08:45 - What are your ambitions for the company in the future? 01:11:28 - What is the biggest, non-obvious challenge for your company? 01:14:52 - What advice would you give to yourself about starting a company? 01:16:07 - How do you approach taking risks? 01:18:03 - Rolf’s celebrity question: what are your plans right now? 01:19:52 - Do you have a favorite section of the CT? 01:21:18 - Where can people keep up with you? SEGMENTS QOTD 1: What’s the shelf life of leftover sushi? QOTD 2: Are mashed potatoes just Irish guacamole? Trek Propaganda Going Stoveless: The Pros and Cons of Cold Soaking by Diane Duffard The Cape Wrath Trail: The Wild, Wonderful, 230-Mile ‘AT of the UK’ by Clay Bonnyman Evans Stupid Thing of the Week Triple Crown of things that aren’t sports but feel like sports Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, DoGoodPantry, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Matthew Spence, and Peter.
7/24/20232 hours, 2 minutes, 28 seconds
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#210 | Lyla Harrod: Thru-Hiking while Trans, Sober, and Queer

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Lyla Harrod. Lyla is is a sober, queer, transgender woman currently on the last leg of her triple crown and has accrued an absurd amount of trail miles in just the last 2.5 years. She swings by the studio in the midst of her CDT thru-hike to share her journey of coming out as trans, how that's interfaced with her many thru-hiking miles, establishing the FKT on the Bay Circuit Trail, her love affair with the Hayduke, setting the women’s White Mountains Direttissima FKT, her hikes on the AZT, Florida Trail, and much more. We wrap the show with some tips on scoring a walk-up permit at some of the most high-demand backcountry destinations, how we'd waste our money if we were billionaires, a very old guy centric stupid thing of the week, and the triple crown of failed candle scents. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKESHELTER20” for 20% off shelters at gossamergear.com.  Enlightened Equipment: Use code “EETREK10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. [divider] Interview with Lyla Harrod Lyla's Instagram 7 Ways to Be "Trans Competent" on Trail by Lyla Harrod Trans hikers to follow this season Aubri Drake Stephanie Cawley Oliver Henderson Jordan Pinneke Time stamps & Questions 00:01:50 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon! 00:02:48 - Introducing Lyla 00:03:08 - What got you into backpacking? 00:04:41 - Tell us your trail name origin story 00:08:55 - What got you into thru-hiking? 00:10:20 - What was the AT like in 2021? 00:12:31 - What would you like to tell us about your background pre-transitioning? 00:19:10 - What was the reaction when you started to come out? 00:21:41 - Where did you get information from after you came out as trans? 00:23:47 - Did you ever fear you were wrong or would regret your decision? 00:24:58 - What was your mindset like before starting the AT? 00:26:53 - How did your on trail experience compare with your expectations? 00:28:35 - Did anyone use slurs at you? 00:32:00 - Did you experience a difference between hikers and people in towns? 00:33:41 - What are the most common things people get wrong? 00:35:45 - How do you interact with someone who has transphobic views? 00:37:09 - How often do people not believe you when you say you’re trans? 00:38:28 - How do you handle always having to have a positive front and decompress? 00:41:33 - Do you have a general piece of advice you offer to people who reach out to you? 00:43:42 - If you had an FAQ page, what would the top questions on that page be? 00:47:47 - Are hormone medications difficult to manage on trail? 00:49:04 - Are there any other modifications you made that make hiking easier for you? 00:50:54 - Are you still hurt when someone makes a mistake you can tell was unintentional? 00:54:08 - At what point did you know that thru-hiking was your new thing? 00:56:03 - Tell us about doing FKTs as a trans woman 01:00:00 - Tell us about the Bay Circuit Trail 01:03:00 - Tell us about doing the White Mountains Direttissima FKT 01:05:37 - How well did the PCT prepare you for the White Mountains? 01:06:41 - How do you train for something like that? 01:07:29 - How did you handle the rules about camping in alpine zones? 01:09:08 - Any advice for someone looking to set an FKT on the Bay Circuit Trail? 01:09:57 - What was your biggest newbie mistake on the AT? 01:11:44 - What 3 day stretch of the AT would you like to go back and relive? 01:12:55 - Have you ever shit your pants? 01:13:55 - Tell us about going from the AT to the AZT 01:16:34 - Tell us about your social experience and interactions on the PCT 01:20:00 - Why did you start the PCT in mid-March? 01:22:30 - What differences have you noticed in the continuous footpath mindset across the three Triple Crown trails? 01:25:49 - Can you define redlining? 01:27:00 - Tell us about the increasing popularity on the CDT and whether you’ve noticed it 01:28:38 - Do you think your PCT struggles enhanced or detracted from your experience? 01:29:55 - What were your highlights from the Hayduke? 01:32:24 - What’s the most difficult aspect of the Hayduke? 01:37:20 - What are your top moments from all the trails you’ve done? 01:46:30 - How have the San Juans compared to the Sierras in April? 01:49:01 - What’s making people decide to flip up to Glacier on the CDT this year? 01:52:08 - What will it mean for you to finish your Triple Crown? 01:54:56 - Tell us about your gear 01:58:50 - What parting message do you have for our listeners? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda How To Score a Walk-Up Backpacking Permit Anywhere by Katie Kommer QOTD: If you woke up tomorrow morning a billionaire, what’s the most extravagantly lavish thing you’d waste your money on? Stupid Thing of the Week Triple Crown of failed candle scents The Candle Daddy: Shart 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, DoGoodPantry, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns.
7/17/20232 hours, 27 minutes, 29 seconds
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#209 | The Daley Family on Thru-Hiking with Three Young Kids: Motivation, Gear, Meltdowns, and More

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by the Daley Family. Marketa and David Daley have been avid backpackers for many years, and have not let the addition of their three kids Sequoia (age 6), Joshua (age 4), and Standa (age 3) slow them down in the slightest. Their recent treks include thru-hikes of the Tahoe Rim Trail, 1,300 miles of the Pacific Crest Trail, and 250 miles of the Appalachian Trail this year. Although we've interviewed thru-hiking families in the past, we cover some new ground here, including managing breastfeeding while backpacking, an honest portrayal of the challenges that come along with backpacking with three young kids and how that gets more challenging as the family grows, the events that are most likely to trigger meltdowns, dealing with critiques from the online community, and why they still wouldn't have it any other way. This is an insightful chat for anyone who's curious what it's like to backpack with multiple youngsters. We wrap the show with a story of a woman who was bitten by a black bear on the Appalachian Trail, the triple crown of backpacking-specific compliments, and an impromptu interview with a Patreon Chuck Norris Award Winner about backpacking on the Centennial Trail. Do you want to hike with Backpacker Radio? Fill out this survey to indicate your interest! RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “EETREK10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. [divider] Interview with Marketa and David Daley Daley's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:02:48 - QOTD: Rank who gets the most excited when a pregnancy is announced 00:07:25 - Support us on Patreon to get bonus content! 00:11:20 - The TrovaTrip is happening! 00:13:30 - Introducing the Daley family 00:14:33 - What are everyone’s trail names? 00:16:22 - How did you two get into backpacking? 00:18:19 - Where did you move to America from? 00:20:31 - What was it like growing up in a PCT town? 00:22:22 - How did you both get into trail work? 00:23:14 - What was your thought process when you first got pregnant with Sequoia? 00:24:18 - What is the toughest age of kid to backpack with? 00:25:23 - We Love Love: tell us more about how you met and fell in love 00:31:00 - Was Sequoia a surprise? 00:32:03 - Walk us through the evolution from not wanting kids to having 3 of them 00:34:22 - Have all three of the kids adapted to the outdoors easily? 00:35:56 - At what point did the prospect of a long backpacking trip become feasible? 00:37:41 - What is it like to adopt a child and did backpacking play a role? 00:40:00 - How did Sequoia adapt to gaining a sibling? 00:42:40 - What was the main difference between backpacking with one kid versus two? 00:43:40 - Tell us about water crossings with kids 00:45:45 - Tell us about the Tahoe Rim Trail 00:47:40 - What does your backpacking schedule look like? 00:48:56 - How has hiking with kids changed your relationship with each other? 00:50:25 - Does any part of you feel like you’re sacrificing the way you want to hike? 00:52:31 - How do you gauge whether your kids are enjoying the hiking or not? 00:55:18 - Relative to their peers, what attributes do you think your kids have gained? 00:56:35 - Have you ever freaked out on trail about the kids? 00:58:02 - Tell us about breastfeeding and food on trail 01:00:30 - Tell us about hiking the PCT in 2022 01:03:00 - What is your gear setup? 01:04:50 - How did you ration water? 01:06:29 - Are the kids comfortable with night hiking? 01:07:28 - How do you prepare kids for dealing with rattlesnakes? 01:09:17 - At what age did you feel like you can cohesively communicate dangers to them? 01:10:22 - Tell us your best kid poop stories 01:12:32 - Is there a common meltdown trigger, and how do you deal with them? 01:15:40 - Tell us about your experiment on the last day of the AT 01:17:52 - What caused you to get off the AT? 01:20:25 - What has the feedback been on social media versus in real life? 01:25:37 - What’s the most common question you get? 01:28:22 - Do you feel pressure to set records as a hiking family? 01:30:00 - Would say either the PCT or AT is more kid friendly? 01:31:06 - How do you handle the threat of ticks on the AT? 01:32:00 - What’s next? 01:33:19 - Is there a non-obvious question related to kids hiking that we haven’t asked? SEGMENTS Chuck Norris Award Winner Interview Trek Propaganda A Woman Was Bitten by a Bear on the AT Last Month. Here’s What Happened by Bloodhound Triple Crown of backpacking-specific compliments Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, DoGoodPantry, Erik Hofmann, Greg McDaniel, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Matthew Spence, and Peter.
7/10/20232 hours, 33 minutes, 9 seconds
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#208 | Alina "Abstract" Drufovka on Creating Trail-Themed Art, Exploring Her Latina-Jewish Heritage, and Meeting Her Partner on Trail

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Alina Drufovka aka Abstract. In addition to being a thru-hiker and adventurer, you're likely already familiar with the name Abstract because of her incredible and unique outdoor-themed artwork. We learn all about Alina's transformation from thru-hiker to now full-time artist, her time on the AT, PCT, and Israel National Trail, her current gig as an Ambassadors on the Get Outside Tour where she travels the country in a van alongside her boyfriend, attending outdoor events, leading clinics, and overall spreading joy to the people. Abstract is nothing but good vibes and this is a spirited interview that will elicit smiles. We wrap the show with a chat about why cell phones don't appear in dreams (or do they?), a story about a PCT hiker who was bit by a rattlesnake, a triple crown of people who are probably serial killers, and more! Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Do you want to hike with Backpacker Radio? Fill out this survey to indicate your interest! RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Goodr: Use code “BACKPACKER” for free shipping on your first order at goodr.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “EETREK10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. [divider] Interview with Alina “Abstract” Drufovka Abstract's Instagram Abstract's Website REI Embark Program Get Outside Tour Time stamps & Questions 00:04:01 - QOTD: Have cell phones ever appeared in your dreams? 00:09:55 - Reminders: Is it or is it not Rachel’s birthday? 00:13:25 - Introducing Alina 00:14:20 - Tell us about hiking the AT 1.5 times 00:17:20 - We Love Love! 00:22:16 - Discussion about being half Colombian, half Jewish 00:24:52 - How did your love blossom along the trail? 00:26:10 - How did you learn about the AT at age 13? 00:27:57 - What was it like retracing your steps two years after being injured? 00:28:40 - Tell us about the St. Patty’s party trail magic 00:34:00 - Does your mom fit the stereotype of a nervous Jewish mom? 00:37:40 - What are the cornerstones of your grandma’s book? 00:41:10 - What was it like to get past the point where you got off trail the first time? 00:43:10 - Discussion about expressing interest in someone without being creepy 00:44:22 - What’s the story behind the Wonder Woman outfit? 00:46:15 - At what point did art intersect with thru-hiking? 00:48:00 - Discussion about Abstract’s art style 00:51:28 - Tell us about hiking the Israel National Trail in 2018 00:54:35 - What are towns like on the Israel National Trail? 00:55:44 - Discussion about making Aliyah and Birthright 00:58:02 - Did you feel safe on the Israel National Trail? 00:59:50 - What advice do you have for people interested in the Israel National Trail? 01:02:30 - Interlude: Rachel’s birthday! 01:05:15 - Tell us about the PCT in 2019 01:08:24 - What was it like to live in Colombia? 01:10:30 - What were the biggest differences between Colombia and Israel? 01:11:15 - How did you turn your art into a business? 01:15:45 - Tell us about the Embark program 01:16:27 - Have you experienced imposter syndrome? 01:19:57 - How do you decide when to release something new and price your art? 01:20:55 - What’s been your biggest business challenge? 01:22:53 - How do you deal with having your designs ripped off? 01:28:21 - What’s your inspiration for a new painting these days? 01:29:29 - What is the Get Outside tour? 01:33:58 - How many events will you attend? 01:35:01 - Did you get to customize the van? 01:38:40 - What events are coming up on the tour? 01:39:40 - Fuck Marry Kill: Appalachian Trail, Pacific Trail, Israel National Trail 01:40:10 - What piece of art are you most proud of? 01:41:31 - Describe your art to the listeners 01:43:30 - Where can people follow you? 01:44:14 - Tell us about living on a commune 01:50:37 - Are you interested in polyamory? 01:51:30 - If you could bring an aspect of commune life into your regular life, what would it be? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda PCT Hiker Hospitalized After Rattlesnake Bite by Kelly Floro Stupid Thing of the Week Listener Voicemail Triple Crown of people who might be serial killers Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, and Peter.
7/3/20232 hours, 22 minutes, 9 seconds
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#207 | Renee "She-ra" Patrick on the Blue Mountains Trail, Ground Truthing New Routes, & Consulting Trail Organizations

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are re-joined by friend of the show, Renee "She-ra" Patrick. She-ra is a triple crowner whose backpacking experience you heard all about in episode 44, today we catch up on all she's been up to since last being on the show, including hikes on the Blue Mountains Trail, the Corvallis to Sea Trail, re-visiting the AT as a southbounder, and more. Renee also walks us through her latest endeavor and mission to help long-distance organizations improve the trail experience for hikers and to bring awareness to conservation efforts on trails across the country. We wrap the show with things our parents told us that we're now pretty sure is a lie, the triple crown of ways we're turning into our parents, a few ways to save money in town as a thru-hiker, and more. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “EETREK10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Renee “She-ra” Patrick Renee Patrick Consulting Renee's Blog Renee's Instagram Long-Distance Trail Consulting | Hiker Survey Blue Mountains Trail | Greater Hells Canyon Council Greater Hart-Sheldon: Sagebrush Stronghold Story Map Time stamps & Questions 00:03:28 - QOTD: What’s something your parents used to tell you that you’re now pretty sure is a lie? 00:06:30 - Introducing She-ra 00:07:05 - Catch us up on your last 4 years 00:08:48 - Tell us about the Wallowa Mountains in Oregon 00:10:20 - Discussion about managing the Oregon Desert Trail 00:12:30 - What kind of issues occur in that area? 00:14:11 - What is the number one challenge with building a trail? 00:16:00 - What’s your trail resume? 00:18:00 - What was it like hiking on the AT 20 years after your first thru-hike? 00:20:30 - What is your favorite thing about route hiking? 00:21:40 - Fuck Marry Kill: Trails, Routes, Consulting 00:22:28 - Do you have suggestions for approachable routes? 00:26:00 - What does the research look like for the first person to hike a route? 00:28:30 - What are common mistakes people make when starting routes? 00:32:10 - Tell us about the Corvallis to Sea Trail 00:37:20 - Discussion about the Three Sisters Trail and the Up North Loop 00:41:38 - If someone wanted to start their own trail, what roles do they need to fill? 00:47:16 - Can you estimate how long it takes to make a trail based on the mileage? 00:49:09 - What is a National Recreation Trail? 00:51:30 - Tell us about your consulting business 00:56:00 - Do you work with both trail organizations and hikers? 00:58:15 - What practical things can organizations recommend to hikers? 01:04:08 - Zach’s pitch idea for Renee 01:04:55 - Where can people fill out your survey? 01:05:56 - How do you narrow down your focus? 01:09:00 - Tell us about your logo design work 01:12:00 - Tell us about the dabbling you’ve done in GIS 01:15:28 - What parting messages do you have for the listeners? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Top 10 Ways to Save Money in Town by Eloise Robbins Stupid Thing of the Week Triple Crown of ways you’re turning into your parents Mail Bag (artist mentioned) 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, and Peter.
6/26/20231 hour, 47 minutes, 57 seconds
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#206 | Briana DeSanctis on Hiking the 6,800 Mile American Discovery Trail

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Briana DeSanctis aka Rocky Mountain High. Briana is currently hiking the 6,800 mile American Discovery Trail and upon completing this trail, she will be the first solo woman to ever accomplish this feat. We obviously swan dive deep on everything to do with hiking the ADT, including the specifics of the route, how much of it is on single track vs road, some of the highlight stops along the trail, how she manages resupply and water, what's to love and hate about the trail, and more. Briana is a riot and has no shortage of fun stories from this very wild endeavor. Grab your popcorn, strap in, and enjoy. We wrap the show with a story about a mom hiking the AT alongside her 15 kids, the triple Crown of people who ought to be on the first rocket to Mars, and we opine if people without inner monologues actually exist. Do you want to hike with Backpacker Radio? Fill out this survey to indicate your interest! Organifi: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Briana DeSanctis Briana's Instagram Briana's Facebook American Discovery Trail Time stamps & Questions 00:05:04 - QOTD: Are people without internal monologues more likely to quit thru-hikes? 00:09:07 - Reminders: Check out updates from the PCTA here! 00:10:00 - Introducing Briana 00:11:15 - What got you into the outdoors? 00:13:40 - Where should people visit in Maine? 00:15:30 - Are you a lobster snob? 00:17:30 - Tell us about starting the AT 00:21:00 - Did you feel prepared for the AT? 00:23:07 - How did the hike compare with your expectations? 00:25:01 - What were your best meltdowns on the AT? 00:31:00 - How did you adjust your interactions with strangers after that? 00:31:57 - What are your tips for hitchhiking? 00:35:22 - Give us the highlights of what you did between the AT and ADT 00:41:05 - What are the basic fun facts of the ADT? 00:46:41 - What are the selling points of either the northern or southern routes? 00:50:57 - Discussion about walking through cities 00:54:39 - Tell us about how you navigate the trail 00:56:20 - What drew you to hiking the ADT? 00:59:50 - Will you be the first woman to thru-hike the ADT? 01:02:30 - What kind of carts do people push? 01:04:20 - How many people have hiked the ADT? 01:04:54 - How much of the hike is on road versus single-track? 01:08:19 - Why did you almost die from heat exhaustion? 01:13:02 - What is cell reception like on the ADT? 01:14:09 - Fill us in on your timeline? 01:16:39 - How often do you resupply? 01:18:20 - What keeps you motivated to continue on this trail? 01:20:40 - Are you taking notes or journaling? 01:23:00 - What’s a good story that will definitely be included in your book? 01:24:45 - Tell us about shitting your pants 01:32:05 - Zach’s AT poop story 01:33:05 - Briana’s creative shits 01:40:08 - Discussion about sleeping in bathrooms 01:42:35 - Discussion about planning mileage and places to camp 01:45:04 - Discussion about Briana’s interactions with police 01:50:00 - Discussion about people giving Briana things 01:52:22 - If you could pick one chain to eat at for the rest of the trail, what would you pick? 01:54:51 - What one town stands out to you? 02:01:30 - Fuck Marry Kill: the states you’ve been through thus far 02:05:55 - Fuck Marry Kill: road trails, rail trails, trail trails 02:06:53 - Is there one restaurant experience that stands out to you? 02:12:15 - Discussion about staying with people in towns 02:15:04 - Discussion about the common questions people ask 02:18:14 - What sort of takeaway do you think you’ll leave the ADT with? 02:19:24 - How has this experience changed your perspective on our country? 02:25:03 - What’s the deal with your flip flops? 02:31:30 - What’s your best elevator pitch for the American Discovery Trail? 02:34:05 - Where can people follow you? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda 32 Feet Up: A Single Mom and Her 15 Kids Hike the Appalachian Trail by Bloodhound Triple Crown of people who should be on the first rocket to Mars [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, and Peter.
6/19/20233 hours, 14 minutes, 26 seconds
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#205 | Warren Doyle: Appalachian Trail Legend on His Record 18 Completed AT Traverses

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Warren Doyle. Warren is a legend. With 18 traverses of the entire Appalachian Trail accounting for more than 38,000 miles, no one on earth has completed the AT more times than Warren. In addition to his vast knowledge and infatuation with this trail, Warren is a fascinating character, with outspoken beliefs on culture, disobedience, and philosophy. Chaunce and I really enjoyed our chat with Warren and we think you will too. We wrap the show with a triple crown of things that are better than sex, thru-hiking artists you need to know about, and a few of our most nerve-wracking hitchhikes. Do you want to hike with Backpacker Radio? Fill out this survey to indicate your interest! Enlightened Equipment: Use code “EETREK10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Warren Doyle Warren's Website Time stamps & Questions 00:04:25 - QOTD: What is a boring fact about you? 00:08:30 - Reminders: Listen to our Patreon-exclusive Q&A episodes by becoming a supporter! 00:10:17 - Introducing Warren 00:11:22 - What is the full origin story for you and the AT? 00:12:16 - What was the trail like in the 1970s? 00:14:43 - What is your approach to teaching prospective AT hikers? 00:17:20 - What made you return to the AT over and over? 00:20:25 - Discussion about questioning authority 00:22:48 - What are some examples of laws protecting us from the land? 00:24:30 - Discussion about the ferry service 00:31:56 - Are there other stories of trail changes? 00:38:06 - What was the better way to go about that? 00:42:30 - What do you attribute to your group trips’ 100% success rates? 00:45:05 - What are the keys for prospective AT hikers? 00:49:17 - What litmus test can people use to know if they’re prepared? 00:56:25 - What were some of the advantages and disadvantages of hiking the trail at different ages? 00:58:32 - Was there a particular age where you crossed that threshold? 01:02:03 - Did any injury play into that decision? 01:04:48 - What is one of your favorite stories from one of your trips? 01:09:04 - Is it upsetting to you to see the hikers of today? 01:11:26 - What’s the meaning behind the Circle Hikes? 01:14:30 - Walk us through your very first day on trail 01:20:21 - What message do you want to convey to the listeners? 01:21:40 - Where can people learn more about you? 01:22:22 - What do you want your legacy to be? 01:24:48 - What’s your strategy when someone wants to quit? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda 10 Incredible Thru-Hiking Artists Inspired by Long Trails by Katie “Oats” Houston Stupid Thing of the Week Triple Crown of things that are better than sex Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play.  Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, and Peter.
6/12/20231 hour, 56 minutes, 36 seconds
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#204 | Little Skittle, Travis Avery, and Trail Days 2023

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Sawyer Products, we are bringing you a certified smorgasbord of backpacking goodness. We kick off the show with a somewhat impromptu interview with Instagram and YouTube sensation, Little Skittle. We learn about the last leg of her triple crown, how she embraced the brutality of the CDT, and of course the requisite fuck, marry, kill of the triple crown trails. We then catch up with Travis Avery of Sawyer Products to geek out on all things related to insect repellants, water filter technology, and how a Chicago Bears running back played a crucial role in Sawyer's early success. We wrap the show with a series of AT Hiker submissions for "Stupid Thing of the Week", with a very natural slant toward shit stories guaranteed to entertain. As if that weren't enough, Chaunce and I give a rundown on our favorite moments from Trail Days, what adventure plans we have on the docket for this summer, and the typical chaos. Sawyer Products: Check out Sawyer’s Permethrin Pump at REI. Organifi: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Goodr: Use code “BACKPACKER” for free shipping on your first order at goodr.com/backpacker. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Little Skittle Little Skittle's Instagram Little Skittle's Youtube Interview with Travis Avery Sawyer Product's Instagram Travis's LinkedIn Time stamps & Questions 00:05:02 - QOTD: What summer hiking/backpacking/adventuring plans do you have? 00:12:48 - Reminders: Listen to exclusive Q&A episodes on Patreon! 00:15:08 - Introducing Little Skittle 00:17:33 - How’s it feel to be in the middle of your Triple Crown? 00:17:55 - How is the AT after completing the PCT and CDT already? 00:19:34 - How have you enjoyed the AT culture? 00:22:00 - Have you gotten backlash for your pace? 00:23:15 - What sketchy moments stand out from the CDT? 00:25:37 - Do you have any standout scary animal stories? 00:30:00 - Fuck Marry Kill: AT, PCT, CDT 00:31:20 - Little Skittle’s Stupid Thing of the Week 00:35:45 - What’s luxurious about your quilt? 00:37:03 - What has been your favorite thing about your AT experience so far? 00:38:10 - What’s been the most epic trail magic you received? 00:39:20 - What do you hope for at trail magic and what don’t you want? 00:40:35 - What’s after the Triple Crown? 00:43:13 - Introducing Travis Avery 00:46:02 - Tell us about the company history of Sawyer Products 00:47:28 - What is an extractor? 00:49:58 - How exactly does permethrin work? 00:51:47 - Can dogs get Lyme? 00:54:11 - If you were hiking the AT, how often would you apply permethrin? 00:58:50 - Can you spray permethrin on your underwear? 01:00:10 - Does permethrin present any risk when directly touching human skin? 01:01:10 - Do you have any tips and tricks for applying permethrin? 01:02:32 - What else is effective against ticks? 01:04:41 - Does picaridin help protect against flies? 01:05:41 - Describe the difference between DEET and picaridin against mosquitoes 01:08:00 - Are you uneasy using DEET? 01:08:56 - Discussion about mosquitos preferring different blood types 01:10:15 - Discussion about using permethrin around cats 01:11:55 - What are some other non obvious suggestions for using permethrin? 01:13:17 - Can you lock in the treatment using a hotel hair dryer? 01:14:14 - How do you know if your Sawyer Squeeze is broken? 01:16:10 - When did the Sawyer Squeeze come out? 01:16:50 - Tell us about the decision to make the filter compatible with standard water bottles 01:20:27 - Give us the elevator pitch on what makes the Squeeze superior to the competition 01:23:14 - Fuck Marry Kill: Lyme Disease, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, Alpha-gal Syndrome SEGMENTS Stupid Thing of the Week: AT Thru-Hiker Edition Abby “Shitwater” Evans Major Fun Guy Hamilton Dead Dad [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, and Peter.
6/5/20231 hour, 59 minutes, 43 seconds
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#203 | Darwin Returns to Talk Evolved Supply Co., Documenting Sawyer's Philanthropy in Fiji, and Hosting a Travel Show

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Sawyer Products, we are joined once again by Darwin Rakestraw, of Darwin on the Trail YouTube fame. We catch up on the past year of Darwin's adventures, including learning all about his new gear company, Evolved Supply Co., the inspiration for how he builds products, which products he chooses, what offerings might be in the pipeline, and more. We also learn about a brand new documentary featuring Brew and Jennifer Pharr Davis and their kiddos, which chronicles Sawyer's initiative to bring clean water to the non-resort portions of Fiji. We wrap the chat with a preview of the forthcoming chapter in Darwin's thriving media career, one all fans of adventure should be excited to learn more about. We wrap the show with a triple crown of "you might be a new hiker if...", an overview of a new inclusive product line from REI, and quite possibly the most off the rails ad read of all time at the end of the episode. Sawyer Products: Check out Sawyer’s Permethrin Pump at REI. Backpacker’s Pantry: Use code “TWINSFORWINS” for 25% off at backpackerspantry.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. OnX Backcountry: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO20” for 20% off a Premium or Elite Membership at onxmaps.com. [divider] Interview with Darwin Darwin's Instagram Darwin's Youtube Evolved Supply Co Time stamps & Questions 00:05:20 - QOTD: If you could redo your bachelor party, where would you have it? 00:13:06 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon!  00:16:14 - Introducing Darwin 00:18:33 - Fill us in on what you’ve been up to for the past year! 00:21:08 - Tell us about your gear company 00:23:12 - What about your gear separates you from the other products available? 00:28:20 - Walk us through your backpack design 00:32:04 - What have you learned about gear that you didn’t know while hiking? 00:36:12 - Are there concerns about people trying to steal your business information? 00:39:57 - Tell us more about your sun hoodie 00:46:00 - Give us the full rundown on your project with Jennifer Pharr Davis 00:53:30 - Discussion about Sawyer’s philanthropy work 00:55:50 - What is your role in the project? 00:58:10 - What is Jenn and her family’s role in the project? 01:01:05 - Do Fijians know it’s Sawyer providing the filter? 01:04:45 - Where can people watch the film? 01:10:35 - How do you manage your busy schedule? 01:12:40 - Fuck Marry Kill: Thru-hiking, your media company, and your gear company 01:14:38 - What else are you up to that you want people to know about? 01:19:30 - Discussion about Darwin’s travels to Nepal 01:20:52 - Are you going to start adding more travel content to your Youtube? 01:25:40 - Thank you! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda The REI Trailmade Collection: Top Picks From REI’s New Inclusive-Sizing Technical Line by Stacia Bennett Stupid Thing of the Week Triple Crown of you might be a new hiker if… Leave No Trace Ne-ne-nes Listener Voicemail (and leave us your own!) 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Liz Seger, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, and Peter.
5/29/20232 hours, 8 minutes, 44 seconds
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#202 | Anna McKinney on Finding Her Fiancé on the AT, Guiding in the Smokies, and Battling Imposter Syndrome

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Anna McKinney.  Anna is an AT thru-hiker (where she met her fiancé), a hiking guide in the Smokies, a Trek Writer, and an all around giver of good vibes.  We get the full scoop on how her budding trail romance evolved to impending wedding bells- and Chaunce gives us a detailed breakdown on the stages of love on trail, we learn about some of the more interesting flora and fauna in the Smokies, battling imposter syndrome, and her recent LASH on the Arizona Trail. We wrap the show with me getting angry about spiders and octopi, a triple crown of things serious thru-hikers don't compromise on, and also other stuff!   Enlightened Equipment: Use code “EETREK10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Backpacker’s Pantry: Use code “TWINSFORWINS” for 25% off at backpackerspantry.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. OnX Backcountry: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO20” for 20% off a Premium or Elite Membership at onxmaps.com. [divider] Interview with Anna McKinney Anna's Instagram Anna's Trek profile Anna's blog Time stamps & Questions 00:06:07 - QOTD: Excluding water, what’s the difference between spiders and octopus? 00:08:40 - Reminders: Suggest a guest! Fill out our listener survey by June 15! 00:09:35 - Introducing Anna 00:10:35 - What’s your trail name and origin story? 00:12:53 - Do you have any standout trail magic stories? 00:15:06 - What got you into the outdoors? 00:16:30 - What was your big girl job? 00:17:30 - What was it like going through your own backyard on the AT for the first time? 00:20:20 - How steep was your backpacking learning curve? 00:22:23 - Discussion about losing people on the trail 00:24:29 - Did a zero degree bag with a liner prove to be excessive? 00:26:11 - What was your process of working your pack weight down? 00:29:00 - What’s your base weight nowadays? 00:32:35 - We love love - tell us about meeting your fiance on the AT! 00:36:45 - When you’re into someone, how do you let them know without creeping you out? 00:39:27 - When did the physical aspect come into play? 00:41:27 - How did he ask you to be his girlfriend? 00:44:08 - What was finishing the trail like for your relationship? 00:45:50 - Did you ever feel like the relationship was in jeopardy after the trail? 00:47:09 - What did you learn about him off-trail that you didn’t learn on-trail? 00:49:19 - Ask your on-trail romance these questions! 00:52:43 - What are the stages of a trail relationship? 00:54:07 - Chaunce’s stages of a trail relationship 00:59:22 - Tell us about working with Blue Ridge Hiking Company 01:01:53 - Tell us about caretaking the AT bunkhouse in Hot Springs 01:04:05 - What was the vibe when it’s not only thru-hikers but some thru-hikers? 01:05:31 - Tell us about your experience with imposter syndrome 01:08:38 - Tell us about underrated sections of the AT 01:12:50 - What is it like to guide in the Smokies? 01:15:55 - Discussion about interacting with thru-hikers within the National Park on guiding trips 01:19:14 - What are some fun facts about the Smokies flora and fauna? 01:23:21 - What are some trail highlights in the Smokies that aren’t on the AT? 01:25:57 - Tell us your engagement story! 01:29:13 - Where did you get your rings made? 01:31:32 - Tell us about the Arizona Trail! 01:35:22 - Discussion about the snow on the AZT 01:38:00 - Did you know at the beginning things could change due to the snow? 01:39:19 - Tell us about how your travel plans changed 01:41:01 - Which day of your National Parks trip would you revisit? 01:42:11 - What differences did you notice hiking with a partner between the AT and AZT? 01:44:45 - Did you get in any major fights? 01:46:54 - Have you lost any fights? 01:49:44 - Where can people go to follow you? 01:51:45 - What’s next? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Italian Hiker Discovers 2,000-Year-Old Buried Treasure by Rachel Shoemaker Triple Crown of things serious thru-hikers don’t compromise on Pupdate Twin Update Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Cameron Brown, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, Greg McDaniel, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Liz Seger, and Peter.
5/22/20232 hours, 41 minutes, 7 seconds
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#201 | American Perimeter Trail with Rue McKenrick

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Rue McKenrick.  Rue is an accomplished long-distance hiker and the Executive Director of the American Perimeter Trail Conference, an ambitious project to create a 14,000 mile loop that circumnavigates the continental U.S.  We learn all about Rue's scouting of this trail- as he's hiked 12,000 miles of the route in search of the best course already, his inspiration for this project, the challenges he anticipates in completing this, the role partnering with other trail organizations will play, and more. We wrap the show with Chaunce's very stupid thing of the week, additional details of our attendance at Trail Days, and the hikers we would most like to eliminate from the trail. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Organifi: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Gossamer Gear: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Enlightened Equipment: Use code “EETREK10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock  OnX Backcountry: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO20” for 20% off a Premium or Elite Membership at onxmaps.com. [divider] Interview with Rue McKenrick Rue McKenrick Instagram American Perimeter Trail website Time stamps & Questions 00:05:15 - QOTD: If you could eliminate hikers from the trail, who would they be?  00:12:36 - Reminders: We’re going to Trail Days! Come visit us on Saturday (you might see Elise there too)! Guest Recommendation form, bonus points if you’re local.  00:15:35 - Introducing Rue McKenrick  00:16:15 - Tell us about growing up near the AT  00:17:28 - When did you realize you wanted to make backpacking a focus in your life?  00:19:16 - How have hikers changed over the years?  00:29:35 - What hikes have you completed?  00:34:36 - What attributed to the lack of enthusiasm? And what brought you back?  00:37:50 - What were your roles with the non-profit organizations and how did it lead to creating your own trail? 00:40:52 - Any insider stories you have from working with AMC or ATC?  00:48:51 - Give us the fast facts on the American Perimeter Trail  01:01:00 - Could you go through the flow of the American Perimeter Trail map?  01:14:30 - What is the undertaking of this project?  01:24:14 - How do you legally secure corridors for the American Perimeter Trail?  01:30:00 - Have you encountered anyone that has interest in thru-hiking the trail?  01:33:03 - Wrap up    SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda  Outdoor Exercise Might Be Better for Your Brain Than Hitting the Gym by Rachel Shoemaker Stupid Thing of the Week Mail Bag  5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Cameron Brown, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, Greg McDaniel, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jake Landgraf, Jeanne Latshaw, Jeff LaFranier, Joann Menzer, Keith Dobie Jr, Kelly Heikkila, Liz Seger, and Peter.
5/15/20232 hours, 1 minute, 57 seconds
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#200 | Lyme Disease Symptoms, Treatments, and Prevention with Dr. Brian Fallon and Noah Johnston

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Dr. Brian Fallon and Noah Johnston of Project Lyme to discuss all things deer ticks and Lyme disease. We dive into just about everything one would want to know including Lyme disease prevalence, prevention strategies, treatment for Lyme and chronic Lyme, the latest in medical advancements including prospects for future vaccines, where Lyme is most problematic geographically, how to manage your pet on trail, and much more. We wrap the show with a Backpacker Radio update regarding a certain AT festival, the triple crown of animals you'd let murder you, some news for PCT and JMT hikers, and also Zach had twins. Sawyer Products: Check out Sawyer’s Permethrin Pump at REI. OnX Backcountry: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO20” for 20% off a Premium or Elite Membership at onxmaps.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “EETREK10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Backpacker’s Pantry: Use code “TWINSFORWINS” for 25% off at backpackerspantry.com. [divider] Interview with Dr. Brian Fallon and Noah Johnston Project Lyme Project Lyme Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:05:22 - QOTD: Have you heard of soft hiking? 00:07:56 - Reminders: We’re going to Trail Days (author page link here)! Take our Listener Survey!  00:15:25 - Introducing Dr. Brian Fallon and Noah Johnston 00:16:34 - Can you explain the basics of Lyme disease as if we’re in fifth grade? 00:19:37 - Does everyone get some form of a rash when infected? 00:20:20 - What are the most common regions of the body for tick bites? 00:20:56 - What’s the timeframe between a tick climbing onto you and biting you? 00:22:24 - How do you know that a tick hasn’t already bit you? 00:23:50 - What’s the prevalence of that particular virus? 00:24:20 - Discussion about the timeline of Lyme infection 00:26:20 - Are there ever instances when someone’s immune system fights off the infection? 00:28:00 - Tell us more about chronic Lyme disease 00:32:42 - Is a vaccine for Lyme disease on the horizon? 00:34:14 - What was the reaction to the previous vaccine? 00:36:52 - In what regions of the country should people be the most vigilant about Lyme? 00:39:53 - What would your recommendation be for someone struggling with chronic Lyme? 00:41:04 - Is there a particular set of medications or supplements that help these people? 00:45:45 - Would it make sense to include antibiotics in your first aid kit as a thru-hiker? 00:48:44 - Can someone get Lyme disease more than once? 00:49:32 - How do you differentiate between chronic Lyme disease and post-treatment Lyme disease syndrome? 00:50:25 - What’s up with the red meat thing? 00:53:15 - Are there any other medical advances that you see coming related to Lyme? 00:59:00 - What’s the best estimate of the prevalence of Lyme disease? 01:01:44 - What eats ticks? 01:03:25 - Discussion about a vaccine to prevent tick attachment 01:04:39 - What about the vaccine makes the tick unable to attach? 01:05:32 - What other methods of prevention would you recommend? 01:09:45 - Can animals get Lyme? 01:11:39 - Discussion about the Lyme disease vaccine for dogs 01:11:56 - If dogs can get Lyme disease, don’t bears all have Lyme disease? 01:16:35 - Is there any risk in eating venison that’s been infected with Lyme disease? 01:19:22 - How intelligent are ticks? 01:21:52 - Where do ticks hibernate? 01:23:45 - What happens when a tick comes in contact with permethrin? 01:26:00 - Do you know the efficacy of oil of lemon? 01:27:24 - What role does hair play in terms of the likelihood of tick attachment? 01:29:20 - Discussion about tick prevention while camping 01:31:19 - Are ticks active at night? 01:34:00 - Project Lyme resources 01:36:27 - What type of outlook is there for someone with chronic Lyme? 01:42:54 - Tell us more about your background and how you came to be at Project Lyme 01:49:04 - Where should people go to get more information? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Major PCT Bridge Failure Expected To Cause Detours for PCT, JMT Thru-Hikers in 2023 by Rachel Shoemaker Stupid Thing of the Week Triple Crown of animals you’d let murder you Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Cameron Brown, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
5/8/20232 hours, 11 minutes, 43 seconds
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#199 | Chaunce & Fireball Hiked the Ozark Highlands Trail!

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we get the full rundown on Chaunce and Fireball's recent thru-hike of the Ozark Highlands Trail. Not only do we get a day-by-day run-through of this adventure, but we learn all about the trail's unique features, including the intense water crossings, its extremely remote nature, how they handled resupply, what they liked and didn't like about the trail, an epic trail angel stay, and more. We wrap the show with some news that affects all trekkers in the country of Nepal, a triple crown of things that get your goat, and a new gross or not gross. Gossamer Gear: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “EETREK10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Goodr: Use code “BACKPACKER” for free shipping on your first order at goodr.com/backpacker. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Chaunce & Mims Fireball's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:50 - QOTD: What’s it called if you hike near/with someone solely because they have an awesome dog? 00:07:10 - Introducing Chaunce & Mims! 00:10:40 - Would you say someone should skip the northern section? 00:13:16 - What was the inspiration to hike this trail? 00:15:00 - Discussion about the trail conditions and weather 00:15:58 - Does the time change affect you on trail? 00:17:44 - Overview of the trail logistics  00:19:45 - How did you cache/store food? 00:23:40 - Discussion about the trail itinerary 00:24:37 - How hard are the miles on the OHT? 00:27:16 - Is it nerve wracking to hike separately during the day? 00:32:00 - Have you heard of anyone being attacked by a boar? 00:35:02 - What was the weather like? 00:37:40 - Discussion about Day 3 00:38:52 - Would you hike it again? 00:40:15 - Discussion about the water crossings 00:52:53 - Discussion about Stan the trail angel 00:58:25 - Story about Big Bertha the massage chair 01:02:51 - More about Stan 01:06:30 - Discussion about Chaunce’s birthday on trail 01:16:42 - Discussion about latter half of the trail 01:19:04 - Discussion about Chaunce’s shoes 01:21:30 - Discussion about the second to last day of trail 01:29:00 - Discussion about finishing the trail 01:31:40 - What was the cell service like? 01:33:45 - Would you bring a dog on the trail? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Nepal To Ban Solo Trekkers Throughout the Country (Yes, That Includes the Annapurna Circuit) by Kelly Floro Triple Crown of things that get your goat Gross or Not Gross Premature Gear Evaluations Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Cameron Brown, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
5/1/20232 hours, 12 minutes, 25 seconds
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#199 | Catra "DirtDiva" Corbett on Overcoming Meth Addiction to Run 100+ Miles 100+ Times

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Catra Corbett. Catra is an accomplished ultrarunner, former meth addict, author, and overall force for positivity. We go through Catra's many long distance accomplishments including being the first American woman to run over 100 miles on more than 100 occasions, her fastest known double time for the 425-miles John Muir Trail, and her streak of running every day for the last 10 years. We learn about the process of overcoming addiction and starting a new life, how Catra maintains a positive mindset while managing her depression and anxiety, her favorite trail races, including a fuck marry kill of the best 100 mile races, and much more. This was a fun lively chat, you will enjoy it, or else, we will find you. We wrap the show with a triple crown of random facts, reasons why you should SOBO thru-hike the CDT, a new patent-pending, and some last minute thoughts before Chaunce hits the Ozark Highlands Trail. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “EETREK10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. OnX Backcountry: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO20” for 20% off a Premium or Elite Membership at onxmaps.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Catra Corbett Catra's Website Catra's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:09:57 - QOTD: Predictions for Zach with twins! 00:11:58 - Reminders: Take our listener survey! Trail  00:13:30 - Introducing Catra 00:14:16 - Give us your full background on getting into sports 00:18:44 - Did you have any trauma that turned you towards substances? 00:21:37 - Is it almost a benefit to have gone through past hardships while being an ultrarunner? 00:23:00 - Tell us about being a go-go dancer! 00:25:40 - Do you think you needed to process your trauma prior to starting running? 00:26:48 - Can you talk about how hard it was to stay clean and focus on running? 00:30:28 - How did you cut ties with your former friends? 00:32:02 - Tell us about setting the JMT yo-yo FKT 00:45:50 - What did the FKT culture look like in 2002? 00:49:55 - Have you had any hallucinations? 00:54:26 - Tell us about the Triple Crown of 200s 00:57:18 - Have you noticed a change in the 200-mile race scene since Courtney’s win? 01:01:45 - What would you say is the line between oversleeping and undersleeping? 01:06:25 - Do you have any general advice for people looking to learn from you? 01:07:46 - Is it possible for running to become too much of a good thing? 01:12:17 - Is there an established time for a JMT triple? 01:12:45 - How do you get a permit for an FKT on the JMT? 01:14:35 - How does your approach differ based on the length of your race? 01:16:10 - Fuck Marry Kill: 100-mile races 01:18:45 - How did you get your trail name? 01:21:44 - Tell us about your shoes 01:23:06 - Tell us about getting stalked by animals and nearly dying 01:30:55 - Do you alter your course if you see storms coming? 01:31:43 - Tell us about writing the book 01:33:33 - Trigger warning: do you want to tell us about when you attempted suicide? 01:38:30 - What mindset skills do you use? 01:41:30 - Where can people go to follow you? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda 9 Reasons You Should Hike the CDT SOBO by Jenn Wall Stupid Thing of the Week Patent Pending Triple Crown of random facts Mail Bag (submit a guest for the show!) 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Cameron Brown, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
4/24/20232 hours, 9 minutes, 59 seconds
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#197 | Tim Ernst on Founding the Ozark Highlands Trail

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek we are joined by Tim Ernst, renowned wilderness photographer and the founder and former president of the Ozark Highlands Trail. This one is dedicated to the Ozark Highlands Trail, serving as an in-depth trail profile of this 200-mile(ish) backpacking trail through the state of Arkansas. We learn all about what makes this trail special, the best time of the year to hike, who it's for, some of the trail's highlights, wildlife, resupply strategy and more. We wrap the show with our ride or die beer choices, a new stupidest thing of the week, a brief preview of the lost sierra trail, the triple crown of things we do that we're ashamed of, and more. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “EETREK10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Organifi: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. OnX Backcountry: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO20” for 20% off a Premium or Elite Membership at onxmaps.com. [divider] Interview with Tim Ernst Tim's Website OHT Website Show notes photos credited to timernst.com Time stamps & Questions 00:05:28 - QOTD: What one beer would you drink for the rest of time? 00:07:30 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon to listen to our exclusive Q&A episodes! 00:09:50 - Introducing Tim 00:10:35 - What got you into the outdoors and photography? 00:13:50 - You hiked across the state with no maps? 00:14:57 - How long did the first traverse take? 00:16:07 - Tell us more about your background in photography 00:23:37 - What is the basic layout of the Ozark Highlands Trail? 00:28:40 - What do people do for that 16 mile gap? 00:33:35 - Discussion about reasons to hike the OHT 00:36:44 - How do you decide how long a trail should be? 00:41:56 - What’s the official distance of the trail? 00:44:08 - What’s an overview of the trail’s terrain? 00:50:00 - Trail history 00:52:50 - What type of pace and water crossings should thru-hikers expect? 00:56:00 - When’s the best time to hike the OHT? 00:57:50 - Is the guidebook the recommended form of navigation? 01:00:00 - Discussion about how busy the trail is 01:01:42 - What is the camping situation like? 01:05:13 - What are the resupply options like? 01:12:12 - Do you hike with the bear can that you use to stash food? 01:15:07 - What would you say is the highlight stretch of the trail? 01:20:05 - What kind of wildlife should someone expect to see at different times of year? 01:23:15 - What could someone expect as highs and lows for each season? 01:31:16 - Can this hike be done in full with a dog? 01:34:00 - Sell someone on the Ozark Highlands Trail! 01:36:55 - Where can someone get more information? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda The Lost Sierra Route Plans to Connect 15 Mountain Towns Over A 600-mile Stretch by Colleen Goldhorn Gross or Not Gross Listener Voicemail (and leave us your own!) Triple Crown of things you do you’re ashamed of Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Cameron Brown, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
4/17/20232 hours, 14 minutes, 54 seconds
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#196 | Dora the Explorer on 15,000+ Self-Powered Miles and Managing an Eating Disorder

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Felecia Moran, known on trail as Dora the Explorer. We talk about Dora's many thru-hikes, including the PCT, Wonderland Trail, Colorado Trail, CDT, AT SOBO, and more. We touch on what it's like to backpack with an eating disorder and body dysmorphia. Dora is especially candid about this subject and we hope it provides value to others who may be battling the same or similar issues. We wrap the show with a quick overview of some of the best down jackets for thru-hiking, a triple crown of hipster baby names, a premature gear evaluation of a popular hiking boot, and more. OnX Backcountry: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO20” for 20% off a Premium or Elite Membership at onxmaps.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “TREKPOD10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Dora the Explorer Dora's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:05:01 - QOTD: What’s the appropriate celebration for spring equinox? 00:10:30 - Introducing Dora 00:11:47 - What got you into the outdoors? 00:14:16 - What made you pick the PCT instead of the AT? 00:15:26 - What went wrong in 2012? 00:16:30 - Have you had different trail romances? 00:19:31 - Was it love at first sight with thru-hiking? 00:20:20 - What hardships did you go through on the PCT? 00:21:20 - Tell us about hiking in sandals 00:25:30 - Discussion about treating water 00:27:08 - What gear have you added back in that you might have trimmed in the beginning? 00:30:05 - What gear do you still want to upgrade? 00:35:27 - Did you know right after finishing the PCT that you’d thru-hike again next year? 00:36:32 - How do you make thru-hiking sustainable from a job perspective? 00:41:48 - Tell us about the Wonderland Trail 00:44:15 - Tell us about the Timberline Trail 00:45:50 - What were your experiences like with the water crossings? 00:46:40 - Tell us about the Colorado Trail 00:47:33 - How would you differentiate the Colorado Trail from the CDT? 00:48:30 - Tell us about your section hike of the PCT in 2015 00:49:08 - At what point did you move into the minivan? 00:51:30 - Discussion about going back and forth from the trail to nannying 00:53:22 - Tell us about your relationship with Instagram in the context of backpacking 00:58:40 - Tell us about the Continental Divide Trail in 2016 01:01:40 - How do eating disorders and body dysmorphia interact with backpacking? 01:04:00 - In what way has thru-hiking been helpful? 01:07:19 - Do you have any advice for someone who struggles with eating disorders? 01:09:57 - Anything else you want to share on this subject? 01:10:44 - Is the binging culture on trail potentially triggering? 01:13:10 - How did the spirit of your hike change once your partner joined you? 01:15:50 - Why did you need to upgrade your mental game on the CDT? 01:18:22 - What do you attribute to the Colorado Blues? 01:19:08 - Tell us about the AT 01:23:40 - How many bugs did you experience? 01:25:13 - How did you feel about completing your Triple Crown? 01:26:30 - Why do you think you’ve gotten less social while hiking? 01:28:00 - Tell us about the bikepacking routes you’ve done 01:31:35 - Talk someone into bikepacking 01:33:52 - What parting messages do you want to share? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Best Down Jackets for Thru-Hiking of 2023 Triple Crown of hipster baby names Premature Gear Evaluation Listener Voicemail (and leave us your own!) Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Cameron Brown, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
4/10/20231 hour, 55 minutes, 14 seconds
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#195 | Jack "Quadzilla" Jones 2.0: the Calendar Year Triple Crown and Handling Isolationism

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined once again by Quadzilla.  We of course go deep on his calendar year triple crown from last year, getting a play-by-play of his standout highlights, lowlights, and everything in between from his epic 8,000-mile adventure. Much like Quadzilla's first appearance, this one is full of sage advice for on trail and off, including how he handles isolationism, dealing with the doldrums, and the importance of staying present.  This one of course does not disappoint. We wrap the show with the Triple Crown of previously held backpacking convictions you’ve changed your mind on, some news on Mt Washington's recent -108 degree day, and a new stupid thing of the week.   Gossamer Gear: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Goodr: Use code “BACKPACKER” for free shipping on your first order at goodr.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “EETREK10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Jack “Quadzilla” Jones Quadzilla's Instagram Get Quadzilla's coffee table photography book! Time stamps & Questions 00:04:53 - QOTD: Should Kraft mac n’ cheese be eaten with a fork or a spoon? 00:07:15 - Reminders: Future of BPR :( 00:12:20 - Introducing Quadzilla 00:13:45 - Introduce us to the Calendar Year Triple Crown and what inspired you to do it 00:15:44 - Have we crossed any boundaries talking about your quads? 00:17:27 - Tell us about your ideal weight and your trail diet 00:19:40 - Give us some background on the general CYTC facts 00:22:18 - Tell us about the winter weather you experienced on the AT 00:27:44 - Did you have anything to self-arrest with? 00:28:26 - Did your weightlifting background give you an advantage in the snow? 00:29:14 - Was Vermont the first place you consistently saw winter weather? 00:31:01 - Was there any part of you that wished you got off and switched trails? 00:32:28 - What was your camera setup? 00:34:57 - Have you ever considered making a quads calendar or OnlyFans? 00:36:35 - Do you have any trail photography hacks? 00:38:07 - Tell us about your wildlife encounters and photos 00:40:56 - Why did you also take video clips? 00:44:05 - Were you intentionally more introspective in what you shared about your journey? 00:47:28 - How do you process everything publicly? 00:49:30 - Tell us about battling isolationism 00:53:38 - Do you have thoughts on what a cure could be? 00:57:39 - Tell us more about recognizing when you’re in the doldrums of a hike 01:01:36 - How would you compare the AT? 01:04:10 - Did you consider timing where you would be during a potential low point? 01:07:00 - What are your top “holy shit” moments from the CYTC? 01:09:08 - Quadzilla’s poop story 01:10:00 - Did you hike with other people at any point? 01:12:45 - How did you then pull away from the social aspect and return to hiking solo? 01:14:36 - How often did you get recognized? 01:18:02 - Did that experience make you rethink the next hitch? 01:21:03 - If you could go back and relive a day from each of the trails, which would it be? 01:23:10 - When you got past the San Juans, was there a big sigh of relief? 01:25:27 - What kind of gear did you carry over the course of the year? 01:29:22 - Do you have the layering company to hike in cold temperatures? 01:31:25 - Discussion about waterproof socks 01:31:50 - Days Quadzilla would relive on the AT and CDT 01:34:16 - Discussion about smashing watermelons 01:38:40 - How did the CDT this year compare to the first time you hiked it? 01:41:40 - Are there certain restaurants or towns you knew you wanted to visit a second time? 01:44:42 - Did you keep track of your food or macros while hiking? 01:45:53 - Did any particular food item keep your interest for the entire journey? 01:47:23 - Did you take any supplements? 01:50:24 - What did your 5,000 calories consist of? 01:52:16 - Did you intentionally drink a certain amount of water? 01:53:50 - Tell us about getting sponsored for your hike 01:55:08 - Did you find any romance on the trail? 01:58:01 - What plans do you have for this year? 02:01:00 - Where can people buy your book? 02:02:30 - Anything else to share before you leave? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Mount Washington’s -108 Degree Wind Chill Breaks US Record by Rachel Shoemaker Stupid Thing of the Week Triple Crown of previously held backpacking convictions you’ve changed your mind on Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
4/3/20232 hours, 36 minutes, 3 seconds
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#194 | Bruce "Lt. Cookoo Bird" Lynn on the Sierra High Route, Wind River High Route, Hayduke, Biking Across the Country, and More

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Lt Cookoo Bird. Cookoo's a name you've heard on this podcast before, he's been a hiking partner of Jabba's for many years and he was the third member of our Wind River High route trek in 2019. Today's episode is a certified marathon, as Cookoo delights us with tales from trails all over the country, including the time he got a hitch from a prostitute, tindering his way along the West Coast, cycling from Oregon to Maine with his mom, befriending countless strangers, and much more. This one is an instant Backpacker Radio classic. We wrap the show with a triple crown of non-traditional burger toppings, confirmation that boxers are in fact the dumbest dog breed, and some tips for hiking in the rain on the Appalachian Trail. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “TREKPOD10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. [divider] Interview with Lt. Cookoo Bird Bruce's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:05:35 - QOTD: What is the appropriate amount of time to wait to ask to eat someone’s pickle? 00:08:20 - Reminders: Vote for BPR in the Sports Podcast Awards! 00:09:25 - Introducing Bruce 00:10:08 - Tell us your trail name origin story. 00:13:40 - Why did you start with the Long Trail? 00:15:45 - Would you say the Appalachian Trail was your most formative hike? 00:16:30 - Tell us about your vow of silence on the AT. 00:21:39 - What was Jabba like in 2013? 00:23:10 - Any other standout stories from the AT? 00:25:02 - Give us the background on hiker gangs. 00:28:15 - Discussion about Riff Raff 00:36:39 - What are the different groups like? 00:38:48 - What is the interaction like between groups? 00:40:40 - Tell us about the Adirondack 46ers. 00:45:00 - How did the Adirondacks compare to trails you’d done before? 00:46:02 - Was the Sierra High Route next? 00:47:00 - Getting to the Lost Coast Trail 01:01:50 - Tell us about the Lost Coast Trail 01:05:50 - Getting to the Sierra High Route 01:12:20 - Tell us about the Sierra High Route. 01:16:54 - What is camping like on the Sierra High Route? 01:18:15 - How much is on trail versus off? 01:19:44 - Tell us the story of almost getting kicked off a bus. 01:26:55 - Tell us about the bike tour with your mom. 01:30:45 - What did you learn about your mom while biking from coast to coast? 01:32:02 - How would you describe your relationship to your mom prior to the trip? 01:34:22 - Did your relationship change over the course of the trip? 01:38:17 - How did the bike trip compare to your thru-hikes? 01:41:24 - Anything else to share from the ride? 01:42:30 - Tell us about your adventures in 2017. 01:52:00 - Discussion about Mt. Washington 01:53:58 - Biking around Lake Superior 02:00:50 - Disassembling a barn in Iowa 02:02:00 - Trying MCT oil 02:04:30 - Discussion about Bruce’s love life 02:06:30 - Tell us about the first attempt of the Hayduke in 2019 02:14:30 - Story about burning his foot on the Hayduke 02:27:10 - Switching to hike with Jabba in Escalante  02:29:40 - Interview pause: twin update 02:32:49 - Tell us about the Wind River High Route 02:43:00 - Story about bailing off the Wind River High Route 02:50:00 - Tell us about redeeming yourself with a class 5 climb in the Tetons SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda 12 Helpful Tips for Dealing With Rain While Hiking the Appalachian Trail by Kelly Floro Patent Pending Triple Crown of non-traditional burger toppings Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
3/27/20233 hours, 10 minutes, 38 seconds
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#193 | Hiking the PCT in a High Snow Year with Daniel Winsor and Ned Tibbits

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are yet again talking all things hiking the PCT in a high snow year. This episode was recorded in early March, now that we have a clearer picture of what the 2023 hiking season will look like, and it is historically snowy. Today's episode features a pair of interviews- first we are joined by Daniel Winsor, 2017 PCT NOBO thru-hiker and author of "Crunch: A Million Snowy Steps Along the Pacific Crest Trail". Daniel was one of the first people through the Sierra in 2017, another historically high snow year, and shares in detail what his experience looked like, including his preferred traction, how to safely navigate high water crossings, the importance of traveling with a group, the schedule necessary for making miles, his close calls, and more. We are then joined by Ned Tibbits, founder of Mountain Education, a non-profit, public charity wilderness school that has been teaching people how to safely backpack year-round since 1982. Ned gives us even more nitty gritty detail about his advice for navigating the Sierra in high snow, including the safest time to enter the Sierra, the proper traction equipment, managing water crossings, and more. A lot of Ned and Daniel's advice overlaps, some of it deviates. Importantly- the advice issued in today's show is for informational purposes only. This is not intended to and should not be relied upon solely for how to navigate dangerous, backpacking conditions, which the PCT is sure to offer this year and beyond. Please seek the guidance of a skilled instructor for learning how to backpack through high snow and do not rely solely on any podcast, this one included. We wrap the show with two very embarrassing stories for ole Badger. Gossamer Gear: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “TREKPOD10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Treecard: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 1,000 free reward points at treecard.org. [divider] Interview with Daniel Winsor and Ned Tibbits Daniel’s book: Crunch: A Million Snowy Steps Along the Pacific Crest Trail Daniel’s Instagram Ned’s Courses: Mountain Education Mountain Education Facebook Page Time stamps & Questions 00:05:54 - QOTD: Do you prefer dry food or wet food? 00:09:42 - Reminders: Take our listener survey! Support us on Patreon! 00:11:23 - Introducing the episode and Daniel 00:13:47 - Tell us your outdoors experience. 00:16:52 - What prep did you do before hiking the PCT in 2017? 00:20:19 - How much of your prep was self-taught versus watching tutorials? 00:23:50 - Tell us your start date and when you reached Kennedy Meadows. 00:26:00 - What was your mindset at the start of the Sierra? 00:29:49 - What were other people’s mindsets at the start of the Sierra? 00:36:10 - Did you encounter sketchy parts of trail prior to reaching the Sierra? 00:39:05 - Which conditions are better for crampons versus microspikes? 00:43:30 - What are your opinions on snowshoes or skis? 00:48:08 - What other gear changes did you make going from desert to snow? 00:55:00 - What were the snow conditions like given that you were so early in the season? 01:03:10 - Discussion about 2017 Sierra incidents 01:18:30 - Can you talk about your approach to water crossings? 01:23:06 - Was there a chain of command within your group? 01:27:38 - What other non-obvious advice do you have? 01:29:42 - Walk us through the schedule of your typical day in the Sierra.  01:32:30 - What other elements were particularly difficult to deal with? 01:36:15 - What signs did you look for to indicate if you were walking over water? 01:39:23 - If someone was on the fence about the Sierra this year, what should their thought process be? 01:42:25 - Where to find Daniel’s book 01:44:15 - Introducing Ned Tibbits 01:45:53 - Tell us about hiking the PCT in 1974. 01:51:00 - How did you plan your PCT hike? 01:54:18 - Were there other people on the trail? 01:55:20 - How did you stay so connected to the trail all this time? 01:59:15 - Have you ever estimated how many hours you’ve spent traveling on snow? 02:01:35 - Can you put into context what we’re looking at for the 2022-2023 winter? 02:09:38 - Is March the right time to start, or no? 02:15:58 - Do you have thoughts on the safest window for entering the Sierra? 02:20:28 - What day would be Ned Day? 02:24:14 - What are the requisite skills a PCT hiker should have before arriving at Campo? 02:29:50 - Can you talk about an ice ax versus a whippet? 02:38:00 - Is using a whippet ever risky during water crossing scenarios? 02:49:10 - Discussion about traction 03:01:10 - What’s your take on the appropriateness of snowshoes? 03:06:27 - Can you talk about pitching a tent in snow? 03:11:30 - What’s your top advice for dealing with water crossings in a high snow year? 03:25:29 - For river crossings in general, what shoes should I wear? 03:31:51 - Where can people find more information from you? SEGMENTS Stupid Thing of the Week [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
3/20/20233 hours, 50 minutes, 39 seconds
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#192 | Alex "GPS" Brown on Gear Talk, Gatekeeping, and the Pfiffner Traverse

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Alex Brown, known on trail as GPS. In addition to thru-hiking the CDT- with a Nolans 14 bonus- and more recently, the Pfiffner Traverse, we go deep on gear talk with GPS, as he is a certified gear nerd with a passion and deep knowledge of material sciences. We talk about some of the drawbacks of Dyneema Composite Fabric, what gear fabrics he's most excited about, when ultralight goes too far, and more. We wrap the chat with a discussion around the Ethics of Geotagging on Social Media. We close out the show with a new patent-pending, the triple crown of small things that are never not funny, and a new stupid thing of the week. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “TREKPOD10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 15% off at gossamergear.com. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Treecard: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 1,000 free reward points at treecard.org. [divider] Interview with Alex “GPS” Brown Alex's Instagram Alex's Trek Profile Time stamps & Questions 00:04:48 - QOTD: What’s something you can’t find at a store that’s been driving you crazy lately? 00:11:18 - Reminders: Vote for BPR in the Sports Podcast Awards!  00:12:53 - Introducing GPS 00:13:27 - Tell us about architecture! 00:16:15 - Why did you want to become an architect? 00:17:26 - What got you into backpacking? 00:19:00 - What did you learn in the Boy Scouts? 00:20:38 - Where did the Long Trail come on your radar? 00:22:52 - What made you decide to hike the CDT as your first thru-hike? 00:24:18 - How did you prepare for the CDT? 00:25:19 - How did you decide to use a tarp tent? 00:27:30 - Is DCF overrated? Read Alex’s Trek article on the subject 00:30:12 - How does your interest in this overlap with your architecture skills? 00:32:19 - Is it bad to fold up your tent? 00:33:10 - What tents would you recommend for a modest budget? 00:34:37 - Do you think there will be a future material that surpasses what’s currently available? 00:38:55 - Are there any companies that are using the ultra fabric? 00:40:54 - How do you recommend people store their tents? 00:43:28 - Did you get a chance to test the Big Agnes DCF tent? 00:46:05 - Tell us about your CDT pack 00:51:23 - Tell us about your sleeping bag and pad 00:55:25 - Tell us about the Nolans 14 portion of the CDT 00:56:01 - Give us the Nolans 14 basics 00:57:55 - What was the inspiration for making the CDT more difficult? 00:59:04 - Discussion of the Wind River High Route 01:00:12 - Were you surprised by how smooth things had gone? 01:00:48 - How did you manage your weight and diet on the CDT? 01:03:30 - What did your town days look like? 01:05:30 - How would Chaunce eat 5,000 calories in a day? 01:07:57 - What were the highlights from New Mexico? 01:09:08 - What was your longest mile day on the CDT? 01:11:19 - Tell us about the Pfiffner Traverse 01:15:07 - Was it nerve-wracking to do your first solo trip with paper maps? 01:16:05 - Who would you recommend to the Pfiffner Traverse? 01:17:03 - What are you planning for 2023? 01:17:40 - What do you do on the weekends near Aspen? 01:19:25 - What’s your stance on geotagging? Read Alex’s Trek article on the subject 01:25:10 - Discussion about age and use of social media 01:29:09 - What do you love about the X-Mid? 01:30:50 - Have you thought about designing your own gear? 01:31:27 - What does your ideal kit look like? 01:35:26 - Tell us about shoes 01:39:58 - What are some examples of stupid light? Read Alex’s Trek article on the subject 01:42:38 - Why do you say you don’t need to overplan for a thru-hike? 01:45:41 - How did you get your trail name? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda The Top Sleeping Bags, Quilts, and Pads on the Appalachian Trail: 2022 Thru-Hiker Survey by Kate Richard Patent Pending Triple Crown of small things that are never not funny 5 Star Review New Chuck Norris Award Patron Benefit [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
3/13/20232 hours, 21 minutes, 5 seconds
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#191 | Hiking the Pacific Crest Trail 2.0: High Snow Year Considerations, Gear Changes by Section, and More

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are chatting all things Pacific Crest Trail, round two. We are joined by our pal and two-time PCT thru-hiker, Michael "Grizzly" Ivey to talk through our top advice for hiking the PCT, with a special emphasis on doing so during a high snow year, which 2023 is shaping up to be. We go through suggestions for traveling through a snowy Sierra, including estimating food carries, how to approach water crossings, grouping, self-arresting skills, and more. We also chat through some more general tips including how to budget zero days, evaluating what type of hiker you are, and how to mentally approach the hike overall during a year with a large potential for chaos. We wrap the panel by breaking down how our gear changed from one section to the next during our own PCT hikes. If you like the PCT, we think you'll love this episode. Gossamer Gear: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Good To-Go: Use code “TREK25” for 25% off at goodto-go.com. Goodr: Use code “BACKPACKER” for free shipping on your first order at goodr.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “TREKPOD10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. [divider] PCT Panel with Chaunce, Badger, and Grizzly Grizzly's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:05:04 - QOTD: If you worked in fast food, would you prioritize the drive-thru orders or the in-store orders? 00:08:20 - Reminders: Vote for BPR in the Sports Podcast Awards! Replace sweet sweet Leah and become our video person! 00:12:53 - Introducing Grizzly 00:15:33 - Zach Tip #1: Be ready for everything that comes with a high snow year 00:18:10 - Daniel’s 2017 High Snow Year Trek post 00:21:10 - Zach Tip #1a: You can’t carry too much food 00:25:38 - Zach Tip #1b: Creek crossings in swift water above your mid-thigh are dangerous 00:30:26 - Discussion about snow bridges 00:33:01 - Zach Tip #1c: Avoid hiking solo, especially at water crossings 00:39:31 - Chaunce Tip #1: Know your own limitations 00:43:27 - Grizzly’s trail resume 00:47:10 - Grizzly Tip #1: Identify what kind of hiker you are and how that will affect your hike 00:50:51 - Zach Tip #2: Go into your hike with a flexible mindset 00:59:00 - Chaunce Tip #2: Learn how to self-arrest and practice it before getting on trail 01:05:25 - Grizzly Tip #2: No matter how dialed in your gear is, you’ll learn something new 01:14:03 - Chaunce Tip #3: Budget your zero days 01:23:37 - Zach Tip #3: Sun umbrellas are the shit 01:29:03 - Shoutout to Rachel! 01:29:20 - Grizzly’s PCT gear swaps 01:36:25 - Discussion about shoes 01:39:35 - Chaunce’s PCT gear swaps 01:40:50 - Zach’s PCT gear swaps 01:46:00 - Favorite spots in the desert 01:52:00 - Discussion about trail angels near the southern terminus 01:54:44 - Favorite spots in the Sierra/NorCal 01:59:20 - Favorite spots in Oregon 02:02:40 - Favorite spots in Washington SEGMENTS 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
3/6/20232 hours, 17 minutes, 17 seconds
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#190 | Brian "Buck-30" Tanzman on 45,000 Miles of Hiking, the Hot Springs Trail, Desert Winter Thru-Hike, Tracks in Australia, and More

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Brian Tanzman, known on trail as Buck-30. Buck-30 has amassed more than 45,000 trail miles since getting into backpacking two decades ago. We go through his immense trail resume, including all the trails you've heard of and some you haven't such as the Bigfoot Trail, Israel National Trail, the Hot Springs Trail, Great Himalaya Trail, the Desert Trail, the Deseret Hiking Route, and more. Much like Buck-30 himself, this interview covers a lot of ground- if you love thru-hiking you will get some solid insight and entertainment from this conversation. We wrap the show with the top sleeping bags and quilts used on the Appalachian Trail, the triple crown of features of a dream house, a new stupidest thing of the week, and more. Gossamer Gear: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Good To-Go: Use code “TREK25” for 25% off at goodto-go.com. Treecard: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 1,000 free reward points at treecard.org. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “TREKPOD10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. [divider] Interview with Brian “Buck-30” Tanzman Buck-30's Postholer Buck-30's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:24 - QOTD: What do you wish you knew more about? 00:07:28 - Reminders: Apply to blog for the Trek, check out our latest merch, and support us on Patreon! 00:09:00 - Introducing Buck-30 00:09:55 - How did you get into the outdoors? 00:12:05 - At what point did the appeal of long distance hiking sink in? 00:15:19 - Did 9/11 have anything to do with starting hiking? 00:16:58 - How do you make this lifestyle work with your career?00:21:23 - What standout stories do you have from the Triple Crown trails? 00:24:30 - Why do you call yourself “old, grumpy, and opinionated”? 00:28:45 - Tell us about marrying and divorcing another Triple Crowner. 00:33:30 - Discussion about the Arizona Trail 00:35:17 - Discussion about the Australian trails 00:39:20 - Did you see any interesting wildlife in Australia? 00:43:20 - What does the terrain look like in Australia? 00:44:10 - Tell us about the San Diego Sea to Sea 00:46:23 - Did you hike both islands on the Te Araroa? 00:49:30 - Is there an exclusive group chat for people who’ve hiked all of the Scenic Trails? 00:50:32 - Backpacker Radio Missed Connection! 00:52:18 - Tell us about the Pacific Northwest Trail 00:55:22 - What did you hate about the Ice Age Trail? 01:01:13 - Tell us about your experience of the Hayduke 01:02:17 - At what point in your hiking career did you start using a GPS device? 01:05:50 - Tell us about the Bigfoot Trail 01:06:30 - Tell us about the Finger Lakes Trail 01:08:33 - Tell us about the Lowest to Highest Route 01:11:25 - Tell us about the Israel National Trail 01:14:42 - Tell us about hiking in Patagonia 01:17:35 - Tell us about the Hot Springs Trail 01:21:42 - Are the hot springs right along the trail or off-trail? 01:23:20 - How much nudity did you see on this trail? 01:24:40 - How much of the route is trail, road-walking, or route-finding? 01:25:45 - If someone wanted to do a 300-400 mile section, what would you recommend? 01:27:00 - Tell us about the Great Himalaya Trail 01:30:30 - Discussion about not treating water and getting sick in Nepal 01:33:45 - Tell us about the New England National Scenic Trail 01:35:26 - Ranking the National Scenic Trails 1-7 01:43:22 - Discussion about encountering angry dogs on trail 01:46:00 - Ranking the National Scenic Trails 8-11 01:50:29 - Tell us about the Mongollon Rim Trail 01:51:20 - Tell us about the Desert Trail 01:53:37 - Do you have any tips for people new to hiking in the desert? 01:56:02 - Tell us about the Oregon Coast Trail 01:59:45 - Tell us about the Desert Hiking Route 02:03:54 - Tell us about the Great Basin Trail 02:05:34 - Buck-30’s poop story 02:10:15 - Tell us about the Desert Winter Thru-Hike 02:13:37 - Buck-30 convinces Zach that thru-hiking is way better than cycling SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda The Top Sleeping Bags, Quilts, and Pads on the Appalachian Trail: 2022 Thru-Hiker Survey by Kate Richard Triple Crown of features in a dream house Stupid Thing of the Week Listener Voicemail (and leave us your own!) 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
2/27/20232 hours, 38 minutes, 43 seconds
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#189 | Christine Reed on POTS, Hiking with Grief, and Her Book: Alone in Wonderland

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Christine Reed.  Christine is a backpacker, climber, runner, and author.  Her book, Alone in Wonderland, is a memoir covering not only her thru-hike of the Wonderland Trail, but also the emotional and gripping story of her life and foray into backpacking.  Today's subject matter is vast, including but not limited to Christine's mom unexpectedly passing during her attempted AT thru-hike, polyamory, van life, logistics of thru-hiking the Wonderland Trail, and how Christine deals with POTS- a medical acronym that I refuse to butcher but it pertains to reduced blood volume and makes exercising much more challenging.   We wrap the show with advice from AT ridge runners, a triple crown of old people's names, a fresh stupid thing of the week, and more!   Gossamer Gear: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “TREKPOD10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Treecard: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 1,000 free reward points at treecard.org. [divider] Interview with Christine Reed Christine's Instagram Alone in Wonderland Website Time stamps & Questions 00:05:05 - QOTD: How’s dry January going? 00:12:24 - Reminders: Check out our Stay Feral shirts! 00:16:07 - Introducing Christine 00:17:55 - How and when did you get interested in the AT? 00:19:42 - What was your preparation strategy? 00:20:44 - What were the circumstances in your life at that time? 00:22:10 - How did you handle your parents not being supportive of your hike? 00:26:11 - What did the right gear look like in 2013-2015? 00:28:18 - Did your parents eventually warm up to the idea? 00:30:52 - What was it like to get back on trail after that? 00:33:00 - Tell us about the end of your hike and how you felt about it. 00:37:23 - What did your life look like after the AT? 00:39:33 - Have you ever considered going back to hike more of the AT? 00:41:05 - What was the inspiration to hike the Wonderland Trail? 00:43:45 - How many caches do you need for the Wonderland Trail? 00:44:34 - Tell us about the themes of isolation and loneliness in your book. 00:47:28 - Tell us about polyamory. 00:56:30 - How did polyamory interact with your hiking experiences? 00:59:25 - Were you always good at setting boundaries? 01:00:12 - Is there a difference between perceptions of men and women in polyamory? 01:01:52 - Tell us about the process of getting a walk up permit for the Wonderland Trail. 01:04:23 - Discussion about the Wonderland Trail campsites 01:06:10 - What led you to make this hike the subject of a book? 01:10:00 - Tell us about getting your spine fused. 01:13:21 - Is the PT all you needed to hike without issue? 01:14:34 - What is POTS and how does it affect your hiking? 01:18:36 - Does POTS put you at higher risk for a cardiac event? 01:21:57 - Are there any medications for POTS? 01:26:00 - How did the Ouachita FKT attempt go? 01:31:26 - Can you compare and contrast the physical experience of doing a FKT or a 50K? 01:33:13 - What are some of your favorite hiking foods? 01:35:23 - What should someone know about vanlife who’s considering it? 01:37:40 - What challenges often catch people off guard? 01:42:08 - Do you have any other vanlife hacks? 01:44:03 - Do you have any simple products you recommend for vanlifers? 01:46:06 - What’s on the horizon for you? SEGMENTS Backcountry Meal Critics: Bushka’s Kitchen Stupid Thing of the Week Trek Propaganda 4 Ridgerunners Share Their Top Advice for AT Thru-Hikers by Ann Marie White Triple Crown of old person names Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, DoGoodPantry, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Morgan Luke, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
2/20/20232 hours, 26 minutes, 4 seconds
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#188 | Valentine's Day 3.0: Two Hiker Trash Couples Tell All

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek brought to you by Good To-Go, the studio is transforming into a love lodge as we interview not one but two Hiker Trash couples. Liz and Matt (aka Chuckles and Frisky) and Nat and Matt (aka Bart and Party Tart) give us a glimpse into how their relationships came to be, the highlights and lowlights of thru-hiking with a significant other, and some of their top trail-tested advice for maintaining a relationship on trail and off.  The format for today is chaotic yet fun, as we kick things off with a round of The Newlywed Game and transition into rotating sessions of seven minutes in heaven. I promise that will make sense here shortly. Gossamer Gear: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Good To-Go: Use code “TREK25” for 25% off at goodto-go.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “TREKPOD10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. [divider] Interview with Liz, Matt, Nat, and Matt Liz's Instagram Matt's Instagram Nat & Matt's Instagram Nat's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:45 - QOTD: How frequently do you have dreams that your relationship ends and wake up panicked? 00:09:45 - Introducing the interviewees 00:11:52 - The Newlywed Game: Nat and Matt 00:29:07 - The Newlywed Game: Liz and Matt 00:30:30 - Outa Ware pants 00:41:20 - Seven Minutes in Heaven Round 1: Nat and Matt 00:43:08 - Give us the full rundown of your PCT hike in 2019. 00:47:04 - Were you apprehensive going into the PCT? 00:48:30 - What is it like prepping for a thru-hike as a couple? 00:50:49 - Walk us through rearranging who would carry what? 00:54:26 - Seven Minutes in Heaven Round 2: Liz and Matt 00:55:02 - Tell us your trail name origin stories. 01:03:08 - Frisky and Chuckle’s origin story 01:10:22 - Seven Minutes in Heaven Round 3: Nat and Matt 01:19:33 - Seven Minutes in Heaven Round 4: Liz and Matt 01:20:20 - What’s your most embarrassing partner story from trail? 01:30:30 - Seven Minutes in Heaven Round 5: Nat and Matt 01:31:04 - What was your biggest fight on trail? 01:33:04 - How do you avoid fights on trail? 01:37:00 - What made you realize you were being competitive? 01:38:29 - Do you have a conflict resolution strategy? 01:44:08 - Seven Minutes in Heaven Round 6: Liz and Matt 01:44:56 - What was your biggest fight on the PCT? 01:50:07 - What was your biggest fight on the CDT? 01:56:57 - Seven Minutes in Heaven Round 7: Nat and Matt 01:57:10 - Guiding for Skurka 01:58:33 - What is your most R-rated trail story? 02:05:40 - When was the first time you had sex in a tent? 02:08:33 - Seven Minutes in Heaven Round 8: Liz and Matt 02:12:25 - Were there any other questions you were expecting? 02:15:38 - If you had one piece of advice for someone going on a thru-hike with a partner, who would it be? 02:24:18 - What are other things that should go on a pre-trail couple’s contract? SEGMENTS Triple Crown of bad or embarrassing date moments [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Sawyer Products, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
2/13/20233 hours, 6 minutes, 27 seconds
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#187 | Chris Priest & Duncan Say on the UK's Pennine Way

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Good To-Go, we are joined by Chris Priest and Duncan Say, authors of "Forty years, sixteen days: Will two old friends walk the Pennine Way - again?" As the title implies, Chris and Duncan hiked this 268-mile trail in the UK twice, forty years apart. We learn all about this trail, including why the duo thinks it's the best long-distance trail in all of the UK, how it's changed over the years, the culture that surrounds the trail, some of the standout highlights along the trail, and considerations for those who choose to travel from abroad to hike it. We also get some fun, standout stories from these journeys and the book. Prepare to expand your trail bucket list. We wrap the show with our irrational fears, a triple crown of our most unpopular opinions, the top tents on the Appalachian Trail, a voicemail from an international listener about which cell carrier is best for the AT, and more. Good To-Go: Use code “TREK25” for 25% off at goodto-go.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Enlightened Equipment: Use code “TREKPOD10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. [divider] Interview with Chris & Duncan Chris & Duncan’s Instagram Chris & Duncan’s Blog Forty years, sixteen days Time stamps & Questions 00:04:43 - QOTD: What is your irrational fear? 00:16:38 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon! Apply to blog for the Trek! 00:19:12 - Introducing Chris and Duncan 00:20:12 - How did you two meet and become friends? 00:22:11 - Tell us about your backgrounds and careers. 00:27:14 - What is the English terminology for hiking? 00:27:57 - Give us a primer on the Pennine Way. 00:30:30 - Is green the normal aesthetic across all of England? 00:34:12 - Is there an advantage to hiking the trail in a certain direction? 00:35:53 - What could someone expect weatherwise on this trail? 00:38:00 - Discussion about the popularity of English trails over time 00:39:35 - What are some advantages of the Pennine Way over the Coast to Coast Trail? 00:41:06 - How often do you walk through towns? 00:43:25 - Are there specific ‘can’t-miss’ pubs or sights along the trail? 00:48:26 - Tell us about the difficulty of the terrain. 00:51:00 - Tell us about the accommodations and camping on trail. 00:54:28 - What is the cost of the accommodations? 00:56:35 - How much did you have to budget for the full trip? 00:57:56 - What meals did you crave in town? 00:59:55 - Did you book accommodations in advance or the day of? 01:00:53 - What was the range of temperatures that you experienced? 01:03:00 - Discussion about wind 01:04:53 - Are there any historical places along the trail? 01:07:44 - Describe the designated campsites and wild camping 01:13:45 - Fuck Marry Kill: Pennine Way, Coast to Coast Trail, West Highland Way 01:18:00 - Discussion about British culture on trail 01:19:01 - If you could go back and relive one of the hikes, which would you pick? 01:23:36 - Is it true that you wore jeans and sweaters the first time? 01:25:20 - Tell us about the WhatsApp message. 01:29:33 - Tell us about the Bristol Stool Chart. 01:32:00 - What types of wildlife do you see on the trail? 01:35:50 - Are there any good English wool companies for hiking apparel? 01:37:55 - Are there rules about shitting on someone’s private property? 01:39:42 - Where should listeners go to learn more? SEGMENTS Stupid Thing of the Week Trek Propaganda Top Tents and Shelters on the Appalachian Trail: 2022 Thru-Hiker Survey by Kate Richard Triple Crown of unpopular opinions Mail Bag Listener Voicemail 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Sawyer Products, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
2/6/20232 hours, 20 minutes, 14 seconds
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#186 | BPR's 5 Year Anniversary: Catching Up with Select Past Guests and Reminiscing Top Podcast Memories

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are breaking out the champagne and bringing you a super juicy show in celebration of Backpacker Radio's 5 year anniversary. We catch up with six of your and our favorite guests over the past handful of years, we reminisce on our favorite memories of the podcast (including the time Chaunce almost got fired), and give you a bit of a behind-the-scenes of how the sausage is made. In typical Backpacker Radio fashion, this episode is an ultra-marathon. Sorry in advance. Gossamer Gear: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Goodr: Use code “BACKPACKER” for free shipping on your first order at goodr.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “TREKPOD10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. [divider] Time stamps & Questions 00:05:20 - QOTD: Are you willing to make a bet? 00:13:10 - Reminders: Badger sponsorship launches today! Buy our Stay Feral merch! 00:15:45 - Structure of this episode 00:21:30 - A random podcast memory 00:24:20 - Guest 1: Weezer 00:27:20 - Weezer’s love interest update 00:30:20 - What’s your advice for romance on trail? 00:35:34 - Guest 2: Professor 00:37:40 - What happened after we last spoke to you? 00:40:50 - Do you have any standout stories since we last spoke? 00:44:10 - What were your emotions when you finished the PCT? 00:46:15 - What’s next for you? 00:51:38 - Are you still excited to do more trail things in the future? 00:54:55 - Guest 3: Nancy East 00:57:10 - Tell us about the Superior Hiking Trail! 01:01:10 - What was the town experience like? 01:02:33 - How is your book doing? 01:04:10 - What are your hiking plans for 2023? 01:04:55 - Tell us about the Centennial Trail. 01:08:29 - Guest 4: Kevin Conley 01:10:30 - What are you up to? 01:14:20 - Sing your song for us. 01:21:46 - What reception did you get from your interview? 01:25:15 - What else do you have planned for this year? 01:26:48 - Get Kevin’s book. 01:29:41 - Guest 5: Matt “Pretzel” Mason 01:36:00 - Tell us about climbing the ranks in the fire world. 01:39:33 - Tell us about the snow sports you’re doing. 01:43:30 - What is an avalanche pit? 01:44:33 - What’s scarier: fire or snow? 01:45:35 - What’s your advice to thru-hikers considering fires? 01:47:20 - Do you see anything in the thru-hiking world you think could be improved? 01:52:20 - What do you have planned for the future? 01:56:30 - Zach gives Pretzel an honor! 02:03:50 - Reminiscing about the start of the podcast begins 02:43:54 - 2019 reminiscing  02:55:11 - Guest 6: Elise “SOS” Ott 02:59:50 - 2021 reminiscing 03:19:20 - What are Elise’s big plans for 2023? 03:24:00 - 2022 reminiscing 03:28:40 - Chatting with Rachel 03:38:17 - Chatting with Leah [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Sawyer Products, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
1/30/20233 hours, 55 minutes, 50 seconds
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#185 | Patricia Cameron on Being Assaulted in a Trail Town, Her PCT LASH, and Living on a Glacier in Alaska

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are once again joined by Patricia Cameron. We catch up on all that she's been up to since our last interview, including a NOLS mountaineering leadership course in Alaska, a 2022 LASH on the PCT, and a hiker trash prom hosted by her organization, Blackpackers. Patricia also shares a distressing story of her being the victim of a hate crime during her PCT hike in Lone Pine, California, in which she caught the entire encounter on video. We play the audio from this incident, get Patricia's take on exactly what went down, some of her thoughts on the risk and reception of being a hiker of color through these rural towns, and despite this incident, why she has no plans to stop long-distance backpacking anytime soon. A warning to listeners that the audio from this video is triggering, but I do believe that it's important for everyone in the community to hear this and get a sense of the depressing reality that still persists for many of our fellow hikers. We wrap the show with a few reasons why a flip-flop thru-hike might be the way to go on the AT, a triple crown of non-dog pets, a superb listener poop story, and more. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “TREKPOD10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Organifi: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  [divider] Interview with Patricia Cameron Blackpacker's Website Patricia’s Twitter Patricia’s Instagram Blackpackers Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:06:50 - QOTD: Would you take 5 years off your life to talk back and forth with your dog for one hour? 00:11:45 - Reminders: subscribe to the Trek newsletter for news about the Badger Sponsorship 00:12:20 - Introducing Patricia 00:13:14 - What have you been up to since March of 2021? 00:14:54 - What does a person do on a glacier for 2 weeks? 00:18:41 - What inspired you to take the class and learn these winter skills? 00:20:03 - How does a day on a glacier compare to a day of backpacking? 00:22:02 - What skill were you most excited to learn? 00:24:35 - How did you transition from Alaska to Kennedy Meadows? 00:25:30 - Tell us about starting on the PCT 00:26:40 - Discussion about cold soaking and food planning 00:28:33 - What made the PCT harder than you were expecting? 00:33:27 - Tell us about hiking after injuring your leg. 00:35:11 - Did you consider getting off trail? 00:36:01 - Tell us about the incident that happened in Lone Pine. 00:40:25 - *Trigger warning: Audio clip starts* 00:41:22 - *Trigger warning: Audio clip ends* 00:42:30 - Were you scared at that moment? 00:42:45 - Were you more or less scared going back to trail after that? 00:45:38 - Tell us more about Nicole and Girls Fight Back 00:46:43 - Is there a part of you that feels vindicated by capturing the incident on video? 00:50:18 - What will it take for you to feel safe going to Lone Pine? 00:53:48 - What do you want the listener to take away from hearing this? 00:56:48 - How did the incident impact the rest of your hike, particularly in trail towns? 01:00:30 - Any parting messages related to this? 01:01:04 - Where did your LASH end? 01:03:30 - Discussion about Amtrak ride from Truckee to Denver 01:06:00 - Discussion about the Tahoe Rim Trail 01:08:20 - Would you recommend the TRT to others? 01:10:00 - Tell us about your Good Morning America interview 01:14:15 - Discussion about public speaking 01:15:40 - Tell us about Hiker Trash Prom 01:17:48 - What’s coming up for Blackpackers in 2023? 01:20:00 - Thank you! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda 6 Reasons a Flip-Flop Thru-Hike of the Appalachian Trail Is the Right Way To Go by Richard “Crossword” Guenther That’s all, Folks. by MG Hibionada Triple Crown of non-dog pets Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Sawyer Products, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
1/23/20231 hour, 41 minutes, 43 seconds
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#184 | Andrew Skurka 4.0: Hunting, His Latest Gear Takes, and Gifting Chaunce a Trash Bag

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined once again by Andrew Skurka. In his fourth appearance on the show, we cover some uncharted territory here, including an overview of a guided trip from last year that went less than according to plan, how to best scout the weather for where you're backpacking (and why relying on trip reports can be a mistake), his thoughts on the Durston X-Mid, how someone who lives in the flatlands should train for a backpacking trip out west, why he was able to PR his marathon time in his early 40s (which is a handful of years past the traditional running prime) and why he's gifting Juliana a trash bag. We also go into why Andrew got into hunting, what tips he has for new hunters, gear advice, and why he butchers his own meat. Skurka's episodes are always full of practical advice for the backcountry and this one is certainly no exception. We wrap the show with the top footwear from the Appalachian Trail in 2022, the triple crown of gaming consoles, and the most exciting thing we've learned in the new year. Good To-Go: Use code “TREK25” for 25% off at goodto-go.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “TREKPOD10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  [divider] Interview with Andrew Skurka Skurka's Instagram Skurka's Website Time stamps & Questions 00:05:25 - QOTD: What’s the most exciting thing you’ve learned in the new year? 00:10:49 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon! Badger Sponsorship goes live January 30! 00:13:20 - Introducing Andrew 00:14:27 - What have you been up to since you were last on the show? 00:15:05 - Discussion about marathons and athleticism 00:17:52 - Discussion about shoe technology, shoes for hiking vs. running, and shoe life length 00:23:18 - Will you be going for another personal record? 00:24:12 - Have you sustained any major injuries related to running? 00:24:50 - What’s your exercise routine? 00:25:37 - Tell us about the guiding year you had. 00:29:46 - How did you pick the ideal location within Olympic National Park? 00:32:13 - What portion of the trips were off trail? 00:33:15 - Discussion about group dynamics and reactions to non-optimal trip conditions 00:36:00 - What went well on the trips to the Olympics? 00:36:55 - Will you modify fitness expectations for 2023 trips? 00:39:25 - Any other lessons from the 2022 session? 00:40:22 - Discussion about Skurka’s guides 00:41:55 - What components go into a “good” guiding service? 00:43:11 - What is your minimum threshold for new guide hires? 00:47:25 - Were there any standout new hires from this year? 00:50:27 - Do you find it challenging to get on trail for personal reasons? 00:53:04 - What do you see being more realistic moving forward: hiring out the administrative side or the in-person guiding side? 00:55:43 - How do you recommend getting backcountry weather forecasts? 00:59:53 - What do you think about the iPhone satellite SOS communication feature? 01:03:31 - Did anything else come out over this year that you’re really excited about? 01:06:00 - Did you change any of your gear this year? 01:07:20 - Discussion about the Durston X-Mid 01:09:00 - Discussion about DCF and gear improvements 01:12:44 - Discussion about the lifespan and waterproofing of tents 01:16:00 - What’s the most underdeveloped piece of gear that cottage companies are missing? 01:19:05 - What are your training tips for people living in low-elevation, flat areas? 01:23:18 - Backpack rain cover or no cover? 01:27:00 - Zach & Chaunce’s gear over time 01:27:44 - How many bear vaults can a ULA Catalyst fit? 01:28:38 - What was your interest for getting into hunting? 01:29:45 - Discussion of elk versus mule deer and meat amounts 01:30:48 - Have you gotten pushback on hunting from your followers? 01:32:47 - Discussion about elk herd management in Colorado 01:35:35 - Discussion about butchering and processing the elk meat 01:37:43 - Is there a leave no trace element of hunting? 01:40:10 - How did you learn what to do? 01:46:40 - What are the chances of there being a Skurka guided hunting trip in the future? 01:48:40 - Do you have any resources to recommend? 01:50:04 - Have you had any funny encounters with animals while hunting? 01:52:14 - What fabrics are ideal for being quiet and invisible while hunting? 01:53:00 - What lessons have you learned since beginning hunting? 01:54:44 - Do people hunt mountain goats or big horned sheep? 01:55:50 - What do you want people to know about the 2023 guiding season? 01:56:42 - Tell us about your scholarship program. SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda The Top Footwear on the Appalachian Trail: 2022 Thru-Hiker Survey by Kate Richard Triple Crown of gaming consoles Pupdate Mail Bag Use code ‘BACKPACKER RADIO’ for 15% off Kevin Conley’s book! 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Sawyer Products, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
1/16/20232 hours, 22 minutes, 38 seconds
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#183 | Mackenzie Fresquez on Backpacking with Autism Spectrum Disorder and ADHD

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Mackenzie Fresquez. Today's interview focuses on neurodivergence in the outdoors, as Mackenzie has been diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. We get Mackenzie's experience with how this has interfaced with her long-distance backpacking trips- including a NOBO LASH on the PCT in 2021, what unique challenges someone with ADS faces in the context of a large on-trail community, and what advice she has to offer others with ASD who aspire to get into backpacking. We wrap the show with a packed array of segments, including some tips for UL backpacking with a baby, the triple crown of best drunks, a couple of very juicy stupidest things of the week, a new cinnamon court submission, and more! Enlightened Equipment: Use code “TREKPOD10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Casio: Shop at casio.com/us/watches.  Organifi: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. [divider] Interview with Mackenzie Fresquez Mackenzie's Instagram Embrace Autism - Assessments Time stamps & Questions 00:04:26 - QOTD: How long are dog’s memories? 00:11:32 - Reminders: Monthly Patreon Q&A episodes! Become a Patreon supporter! 00:14:44 - Introducing Mackenzie 00:15:19 - Tell us some nature trivia! 00:17:28 - Give us your backpacking resume. 00:19:33 - What made you want to start the PCT after leaving the CT? 00:20:20 - Introduce us to the topic of neurodivergence. 00:21:19 - Why do you think there is a lot of attention about neurodivergence content on social media right now? 00:22:10 - What is Autism Spectrum Disorder? 00:25:45 - What made you go from masking your symptoms to seeking a diagnosis? 00:28:00 - Discussion about insurance coverage for autism assessments 00:29:10 - What was the tipping point to answers and how has the diagnosis helped? 00:31:12 - Do you consider your diagnosis a benefit or hindrance for backpacking? 00:35:30 - What do you know now that you wish you’d known before starting your hikes? 00:36:36 - Discussion about social situations on trail 00:40:02 - DId your symptoms manifest in any additional ways? 00:41:36 - What separates general social anxiety from ASD? 00:42:15 - How did you prepare for the PCT? 00:44:56 - Will you prepare for future backpacking trips differently? 00:45:52 - Which backpacking routine is your favorite? 00:46:36 - Do you have a superpower? 00:47:40 - How was the response to your facebook posts? 00:51:00 - Discussion about self-diagnosis versus clinician diagnosis 00:52:33 - Why is being able to label something important? 00:53:55 - What was the negative bi-product of faking extraversion? 00:54:40 - What else do you recommend for someone considering their symptoms? 00:56:33 - Why are GI issues common in people with ASD? 00:58:22 - Discussion about “curing” autism 01:00:35 - Did you have a lot of social discomfort on the PCT? 01:02:05 - Thank you! SEGMENTS Stupid Thing of the Week Trek Propaganda Ultralight Backpacking With a Baby by Sunney Mahalak Mom Gross or Not Gross Cinnamon Court Triple Crown of best drunks Mail Bag 5 Star Review Listener Voicemail [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Sawyer Products, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
1/9/20231 hour, 54 minutes, 5 seconds
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Q&A #1: Pros & Cons of Sharing Hike on Social Media, How to Intergrate into the Hiking World, Timberline Trail vs. Tahoe Rim Trail

This is a sneak peak into a new monthly Q&A episode we'll be running, available exclusively on Patreon. You can get a taste for what these episodes might look like moving forward, or if you want to get in on the fun now, head on over to patreon.com/backpackerradio.  You can get access to these shows for as little as $5 per month. This one covers Chaunce and Badger's thoughts on cooking in your tent vestibule, the pros and cons of sharing your thru-hike on social media, comparing the Timberline Trail vs. the Tahoe Rim Trail, whether the ATC should recognize 2020 Appalachian Trail thru-hikes, integrating into the hiking world, and more.  Become a Backpacker Radio Patreon supporter!  We are nothing without our wonderful listeners and supporters. Your financial support enables us to improve the audio quality of the show (equipment is expensive!), travel to interview guests, and encourages us to continue recording new episodes! Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Sawyer Products, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.  
1/4/202323 minutes, 3 seconds
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#182 | Ethan Greene, Director of the Colorado Avalanche Information Center, on All Things Avalanche Safety

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Ethan Greene, who is the Director at the Colorado Avalanche Information Center. We of course dive deep on everything related to snow safety in the backcountry including some basic tips people need to be safe during avalanche season, the most common mistakes people make in the backcountry related to avalanche safety, what to do if you're caught in an avalanche, and much more. We wrap the show with a new backcountry meal critic (mac and cheese edition!), we go over some of the details from the first article from our 2022 AT thru-hiker survey, we do a triple crown of our top backpacking predictions for the new year, a glorious listener poop story, and more. Casio: Shop at casio.com/us/watches. Organifi: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Enlightened Equipment: Use code “TREKPOD10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. [divider] Interview with Ethan Greene Colorado Avalanche Information Center AVALANCHE.ORG Time stamps & Questions 00:04:51 - QOTD: What hopes do you have for 2023? 00:10:57 - Reminder 1: Subscribe to the Trek’s newsletter to stay tuned for the Badger sponsorship 00:11:47 - Reminder 2 & 3: Apply to blog for the Trek and shop our shorts! 00:12:36 - Introducing Ethan  00:13:20 - Tell us about your background in outdoor sports 00:14:01 - Have you always had a fascination with snow in particular? 00:15:47 - Can you tell us about ski joring in Leadville? 00:17:28 - Have you lived in the Rockies your entire life? 00:19:00 - How do you go from knowing you like snow to getting a doctorate in snow? 00:22:08 - Is there a rough estimate of how many people in the world have PhDs in snow? 00:23:33 - How have winters in the Rockies changed over the past 30 or 50 years? 00:24:54 - When are avalanches at the greatest risk for happening? 00:25:52 - If you’re a backpacker, what are the safety basics of avalanches? 00:29:37 - What is the data about who gets trapped by avalanches? 00:31:08 - What resources do you recommend people look at? 00:33:10 - True or false: if you’re covered by snow, spit to see which way is up 00:35:03 - What steps should you take if you’re in an avalanche? 00:37:45 - Describe what movement through the snow is best 00:39:38 - Is a certain type of activity more likely to trigger an avalanche than others? 00:43:30 - What are some standout moments from your childhood or career? 00:45:28 - Have you ever been in an avalanche? 00:48:55 - Are there any myths about avalanches that aren’t accurate? 00:49:37 - How common are avalanches that haven’t been forecasted? 00:50:45 - What area is notorious for frequent avalanches? 00:53:12 - Do the icier conditions in New England change the avalanche likelihood? 00:54:12 - Does the direction of the mountain face impact the avalanche likelihood? 00:56:07 - Can you talk at all about dangerous snow features like cornices and crevasses? 00:58:37 - What conditions made 2019 such a big avalanche year? 01:01:15 - What kind of manpower goes into cleaning up avalanche debris? 01:04:04 - Should we consider avalanches when skiing and snowboarding at big resorts? 01:05:29 - If someone is interested in getting into the avalanche field, what’s a good path for them? 01:08:48 - Do you feel a profound sense of boredom in the summer? 01:10:29 - What is some avalanche lingo the commoner wouldn’t understand? 01:12:02 - Is there any question we didn’t ask that we should have? SEGMENTS Backcountry Meal Critics: Backpacker’s Pantry Trek Propaganda The 2022 AT Thru-Hiker Survey: General Information by Kate Richard Mail Bag Triple Crown of predictions for 2023 5 Star Reviews [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Sawyer Products, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
1/2/20231 hour, 44 minutes, 28 seconds
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#181 | The Real Hiking Viking's 5,000 Mile Bikepacking Tour on Great Divide Mountain Bike Route and Western Wildlands Route

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined yet again by our resident yeti, Jabba aka The Real Hiking Viking aka The Hiking Viking Liking Biking. Jabba gives us the full rundown on his recent 5,000 mile bikepacking trip on the Great Divide Mountain Bike Route and The Western Wildlands Route. We learn how this journey came to form due to a pair of injuries early on in the year, how bikepacking compares to thru-hiking in Jabba's eyes, legs, and heart, the biggest pros and cons of bikepacking vs. thru-hiking, a story of how Tom bunked up with a 73 year old thru-hiker for a few nights, and much more. This goes without saying anytime Jabba is on the show, but this one is wild, and doubly so today as the team was fighting a round of nasty hangovers inspired by Palooza weekend. We wrap the show with a triple crown of the worst jobs to be hungover for, we pin Mara vs. Rachel in a new game show to test their knowledge of Backpacker Radio history, people chug raw eggs, and more. Gossamer Gear: Use code “BACKPACKERRADIO” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Casio: Shop at casio.com/us/watches. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ULTRALIGHT10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. [divider] Interview with Jabba, the Real Hiking Viking Jabba's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:19 - QOTD: Did you lose any bets recently? 00:12:37 - QOTD 2: Did you have a designated popcorn/vomit bowl? 00:15:45 - Introducing Jabba, kind of 00:16:42 - Tell us about how you started your adventures in 2022. 00:18:29 - What was your injury at the start of the CDT? 00:19:18 - Jabba’s motel room bunkmate 00:24:04 - Was biking originally part of the plan? 00:27:57 - Where was the fun part of bike packing? 00:28:43 - What are your personal pros and cons of bike packing? 00:32:24 - Tell us about your bike and fixing equipment. 00:36:15 - Can you describe what a tubeless tire is? 00:38:36 - Story about the first two days of biking 00:41:19 - Would you describe your brand partnerships as a net negative or positive? 00:44:50 - Discussion about biking technique 00:47:35 - Discussion about overuse injuries and healing 00:49:35 - Do you have future hiking plans? 00:53:28 - Tell us about your Patagonia trip in 2023. 00:56:50 - Biking vs hiking: big mile days 01:00:45 - Discussion about making biking comfortable 01:05:15 - Quadzilla’s quads 01:05:57 - What did you add or upgrade during the trip for comfort or hygiene? 01:09:01 - Story about Eureka 01:12:09 - Tell us about the 9 day stretch when you weren’t alone. 01:15:38 - Biking vs hiking: being solo or with others 01:17:15 - Describe the Western Wildlands Route 01:23:29 - Did you veer off the route? 01:25:20 - Any other standout days or moments? 01:29:30 - Biking vs hiking: adrenaline rushes 01:32:38 - Biking vs hiking: budget and costs 01:34:31 - Fuck Marry Kill: thru-hiking, bike packing, college football 01:36:58 - What was your worst injury from the trip? 01:41:00 - Did you wear clip in shoes? 01:43:47 - Would you recommend thru-hiking or bikepacking to someone more? SEGMENTS Triple Crown of worst jobs to show up to hungover Trivia: Mara vs. Rachel Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Christopher Marshburn, Dayne, Greg McDaniel, Kristina Diaz, Matt Soukup, Mike Poisel, Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Sawyer Products, and Tracy “Trigger” Fawns. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Dcnerdlet, Jacob Northrup, Jeff LaFranier, Keith Dobie Jr, Liz Seger, and Peter.
12/26/20222 hours, 21 minutes, 44 seconds
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#180 | Amber & Joshua Niven on the Greatest Day Hikes on the AT and Their Book "Discovering the Appalachian Trail"

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Joshua and Amber Niven. Joshua and Amber are the co-authors of "Discovering the Appalachian Trail: A Guide to the Trail’s Greatest Hikes." Appropriately, we chat all about the AT including some fun historical facts, their favorite day hikes, the most underrated spots on the trail, the hardest hikes on the trail, and much more. We wrap the show with a triple crown of things we're NOT looking forward to this holiday season, a preview of some QA episodes we're putting together, 10 things someone ought to know before hiking the CDT, and more! RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Organifi: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ULTRALIGHT10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  [divider] Interview with Amber & Joshua Niven Amber's AT Day Hikes Trek Post Amber's Website Joshua's Website Discovering the AT Book Website Get the book at REI Asheville Fine Art Printing Time stamps & Questions 00:04:58 - QOTD: What things baffle you about the opposite sex? 00:16:27 - Reminders: Patreon Q&A video episodes will be coming out in 2023 00:17:37 - Introducing Amber & Joshua Niven  00:18:20 - How long was Joshua in Germany? 00:19:40 - When did Zach and Joshua first meet? 00:20:19 - How did Amber and Joshua meet? 00:22:26 - Tell us about the printing shed and business. 00:24:19 - What’s the strangest thing you’ve ever printed? 00:25:37 - Where in the journey did hiking the AT happen? 00:28:20 - Was it hard to get off trail? 00:30:30 - Tell us about your old log cabin and building a new one. 00:33:02 - Discussion about kids and parenting 00:35:36 - What is The Thru Project? 00:38:14 - Discussion about how the Thru Project transformed into the book 00:40:46 - What are some wheelchair accessible hikes along the AT? 00:43:50 - Joshua’s ‘what not to do on trail’ story 00:48:20 - Did you two ever butt heads in the process of writing the book? 00:50:10 - What would you say is the most underrated day hike along the AT? 00:55:35 - Give us a second underrated day hike! 00:57:26 - What do you mean by secret camping? 00:59:40 - What are some really difficult day hikes? 01:03:43 - What are some easier day hikes? 01:04:55 - What’s a good hike for stargazing? 01:07:07 - Tell us some interesting history facts about the AT. 01:11:55 - How much did you travel to write the book? 01:14:00 - Legend about Frog Town 01:14:52 - Discussion about hiking with kids 01:17:40 - Are you still able to appreciate nature while hiking with kids? 01:19:32 - Fuck Marry Kill: McAfee Knob, Dragon’s Tooth, and Grayson Highlands 01:21:00 - Discussion about the trail in Virginia 01:22:56 - The history of Tinker Cliffs 01:23:43 - Fuck Marry Kill: New Jersey, Vermont, and Pennsylvania 01:29:00 - Duncannon stories 01:33:41 - What camera setup are you using? 01:35:50 - What are your best photography tips for thru-hikers? 01:39:23 - Do you still do your own photography? 01:40:32 - What are your favorite yoga poses and breathing techniques for hikers? 01:44:10 - Where can people get the book and follow you? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Stupid Thing of the Week Trek Propaganda 10 Things I Wish I Knew Before Hiking the CDT by Jenn Wall Triple Crown of things we’re NOT looking forward to this holiday season Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Greg Mac, Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, Kristina Diaz, and Dayne. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
12/19/20222 hours, 24 minutes, 41 seconds
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#179 | Niki Choo on Canoeing 1,000+ Miles from the Pacific Ocean to the Arctic Ocean

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Niki Choo. Niki, alongside her partner, recently completed an expedition across Canada from ocean to ocean (Pacific Ocean in Alaska to the Arctic circle) via canoe. We learn quite a bit about what goes into this style of adventure, as this is our first interview foray into extended paddle adventures, including the challenges of canoeing upstream, through waterways with limited and sometimes inaccurate intel, doing so in such remote country, and much more. Whether you're interested in paddle adventure sports or not, we think you'll get a kick out of Niki's insane stories from this adventure. We wrap the show with a preview of the 2023 Badger Sponsorship, a triple crown of hikes not on our bucket list, we have a couple of listener voicemails, including a Chaunce pat on the back for her improved comfort with poop talk, and more! RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Good To-Go: Use code “BF30” for 30% off at goodto-go.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ULTRALIGHT10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com. [divider] Interview with Niki Choo Niki's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:45 - QOTD: Do you feel like you’re doing something incredibly naughty when you venture into the bakery section of the grocery store? 00:10:01 - Reminders: Badger Sponsorship launches on January 30, 2023 - subscribe to our newsletter! 00:11:12 - Introducing Niki 00:11:49 - How does someone get into whitewater kayaking at 14 years old? 00:13:38 - Tell us more about your background growing up. 00:15:50 - What makes Whistler such a special destination? 00:17:50 - Give us the basic plan of your trip and discussion about leaving Niki’s dog behind. 00:22:17 - How did you move if you didn’t ski? 00:23:42 - What were the weather windows and the mileage you did?  00:25:20 - Were you the first ones to do this trip? 00:27:48 - What was the inspiration for the trip? 00:30:25 - Did you have experience doing pioneering trips like this before? 00:31:42 - Discussion about the length of days in the Arctic and sleeping in the light 00:33:30 - Discussion about wildlife 00:36:00 - Tell us about your gear and canoe modifications. 00:39:38 - What would you do if your canoe breaks? 00:42:53 - How did you go about finding emergency contacts in small towns? 00:45:35 - What is the culture like where you were? 00:51:37 - Tell us about the upstream section and returning to Dawson. 00:56:16 - What were some of the high consequence moves you had to make? 01:05:46 - How do you portage a 1,000 pound boat? 01:07:45 - Discussion about muskeg 01:10:24 - How did you ultimately get out of that situation? 01:11:22 - What did the route look like from there forward? 01:12:40 - Discussion about upstream paddling 01:17:50 - What did your diet look like on this adventure? 01:20:37 - What were some of your treat-yourself meals? 01:22:30 - Did you send a lump of coal to the person who gave you bad beta? 01:23:56 - Tell us about the scariest night of the trip. 01:33:04 - How well did you sleep that night? 01:35:17 - What were the redeeming qualities of the trip? 01:38:54 - How did your relationship fare during the stressful parts of the trip? 01:41:40 - The proposal story! 01:44:55 - Tell us about your startup. 01:47:48 - Do you have any ambitions to bring it back sometime in the future? 01:49:28 - Tell us about pingos and the effects of climate change you saw on your trip. 01:51:07 - Discussion about human behavior and helping the environment 01:54:17 - Any parting words? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Stupid Thing of the Week Trek Propaganda 10 Reasons why the AT is Better than the PCT by Eloise Robbins Triple Crown of hikes NOT on our bucket list Listener Voicemails (and leave us your own!) Mail Bag 5 Star Reviews [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
12/12/20222 hours, 40 minutes, 45 seconds
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#178 | Leonard Adkins on 20,000 Miles of Backpacking, Thru-Hiking in the 1980s, and Authoring 21 Books

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Leonard Adkins.  Leonard is a backpacking legend and author of more than twenty books, including several guide books, a book about the flora, fauna, and geology on the the Appalachian Trail, and his most title, "All About the Appalachian Trail" the first and only book for children grades 4-8.  We go in depth on Leonard's backpacking history, which includes more than 20,000 miles dating back to the early 80s.  We learn what it was like to be one of the first to hike the Pacific Northwest Trail, Continental Divide Trail, and the first (alongside his wife) to hike the Allegheny Trail.  We learn some fun facts about the plants along the AT.  And we get the ultimate endorsement for this interview from Leonard himself, who says, "I enjoyed that more than I was expecting.”  We were flattered. We wrap the show with the worst all-time Christmas songs, the triple crown of baked goods, a new stupid thing of the week, and more. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Organifi: Use code “BACKPACKER” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ULTRALIGHT10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “TAKELESSTREKMORE” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  [divider] Interview with Leonard Adkins Leonard's Website Time stamps & Questions 00:05:15 - QOTD: What is the all-time worst Christmas song? 00:13:52 - Reminders: Hiker Meetup, Saturday December 10! 00:17:08 - Reminders: apply to blog in 2023, shop the Trek’s new shorts and hats! 00:18:34 - Introducing Leonard 00:19:19 - What’s your origin story? 00:22:56 - How popular was the trail in 1980? 00:26:18 - How was the trail or route different in 1980? 00:29:14 - Did you hike the trail to research for your books or did your books result from hiking? 00:31:55 - How much time did you spend on your first book? 00:33:33 - Tell us more about hiking the AT in 1980. 00:37:50 - If you could backpack the AT today or in the 80’s again, which would you pick? 00:40:11 - Do you remember your original backpacking gear? 00:44:29 - Tell us about the Allegheny Trail. 00:50:42 - How long do you think it would take the average thru-hiker to complete? 00:54:30 - What was the Pacific Northwest Trail like in 1983? 00:57:54 - How did you know about these trails to hike them before they were completed? 01:00:22 - How did you plan your hikes without guide books or maps? 01:03:30 - Discussion about hiking the Continental Divide Trail in 1987 01:05:26 - How many maps did you carry on the CDT and how did you get them? 01:07:37 - What does your navigation setup look like today? 01:10:05 - What shorter trail stands out from the ones we haven’t talked about yet? 01:11:54 - Would you describe your hiking experience as Type I or Type II fun? 01:12:50 - What was your most challenging day of backpacking? 01:14:58 - What percent of your time is spent hiking, researching, and writing books? 01:16:21 - If you could hike one of your international trails again, which would it be? 01:21:39 - Did you re-hike sections of the trail to write your books? 01:25:37 - What’s your favorite story about nature that’s in your books? 01:27:44 - What’s your favorite story about the animals you researched? 01:29:43 - Tell us more about your educational and professional background. 01:32:08 - What are the best overnight hikes on the AT? 01:34:06 - Are the ponies in Grayson Highlands wild or feral? 01:35:41 - Tell us about your wife getting struck by lightning. 01:40:14 - Was the pain localized to her foot? 01:42:00 - Laurie’s perspective on the story 01:42:55 - What was the inspiration for writing a book for kids? 01:45:42 - What feedback have you gotten on the book? 01:47:50 - Do you have a larger mission for writing books? 01:48:53 - Where can people follow you and get your books? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda 5 Stupid Light Gear Choices That Take Ultralight Too Far by Alex Brown aka GPS Stupid Thing of the Week Triple Crown of baked goods Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
12/5/20222 hours, 24 minutes, 13 seconds
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#177 | Elise "SOS" Ott and Josh "Kid" Gribble on Their CDT Thru-Hike and Terminus Engagement

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by our long lost former intern turned Production Assistant who ABANDONED the podcast to go for a silly little hike, called thru-hiking the CDT, Elise "SOS" Ott alongside her fiancé, Josh "Kid" Gribble.  This is a Sunday morning interview, which of course means mimosas are involved, setting the mood perfectly to learn all about Elise and Josh's adventures on the CDT. We chat in depth about their epic proposal (spoiler alert), the highs and lows of their trek, we get a thorough primer of fly fishing, especially in the context of backpacking, and much more. It goes without saying, but this is a fun conversation amongst pals and if you disagree you are wrong. We wrap the show with a triple crown of spices, our top food buzzwords, and some details of the Holiday Hiker Meetup Extravaganza that we're hosting on December 10th in Golden (head to our Instagram to get the full deets). RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Organifi: Use code “backpacker” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “trekit20” for a 2 day head start to 20% off and free shipping on November 3 and November 17 at enlightenedequipment.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “takelesstrekmore” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  [divider] Interview with Elise & Josh Elise's Instagram Elise's Youtube Josh's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:05:24 - QOTD: What are your food buzzwords? 00:14:28 - Reminders: Hiker Meetup, Saturday December 10! 00:15:34 - More Reminders: Badger Sponsorship launching in January - sign up for The Trek’s newsletter! 00:16:20 - Introducing Elise & Josh 00:17:08 - The engagement story 00:19:00 - The engagement story actually starts 00:31:16 - How did Josh get the ring size? 00:33:02 - Discussion about trail runners 00:35:22 - Who’s taking whose last name? 00:37:20 - What is Zach’s wedding advice? 00:40:14 - What are your honeymoon ideas? 00:43:37 - Elise’s trail resume & BPR resume 00:46:41 - Josh’s trail resume 00:47:35 - Josh’s trail name story 00:51:44 - Tell us about fly-fishing on the CDT. 00:55:28 - What are the appropriate questions to ask people who fish? 00:58:27 - Tell us about the rod you used. 00:59:21 - Tell us about backcountry fishing gear. 01:02:09 - What’s the difference between fly fishing and regular fishing? 01:07:50 - Floating versus sinking bait 01:10:01 - What’s the appeal of fishing? 01:13:25 - Are there certain fish that are notorious? 01:15:44 - Do you have any universal backcountry fishing truths? 01:16:44 - Tell us about bait and flies. 01:21:40 - How do you gut and cook a fish in the backcountry? 01:28:03 - Do different types of trout taste different? 01:30:12 - Tell us about the fires in New Mexico. 01:44:42 - Tell us about the National Forest fire closure and getting to Colorado. 01:47:50 - Tell us about hiking through the snow in the San Juans. 01:55:12 - Did you ever consider skipping the snow section? 01:57:02 - Did you seriously consider quitting the trail? 01:58:33 - Discussion about cow/grizzly closure in Glacier 01:59:20 - Quadzilla’s quads 02:00:46 - Discussion about grizzlies on the CDT 02:07:43 - What thoughts about gear did you take away from the trail? 02:14:19 - How does the CDT compare to the PCT and AT? 02:15:49 - Josh, what are the best and worst things about hiking with Elise? 02:17:45 - Elise, what are the best and worst things about hiking with Josh? 02:19:30 - Can you give us some impromptu trail related vows? 02:20:49 - How did your pre-trail anxieties live up to your expectations? SEGMENTS Triple Crown of spices 5 Star Reviews [divider] Check out our sound guy @paulyboyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
11/28/20222 hours, 39 minutes, 14 seconds
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#176 | Kevin Conley on Wildland Firefighting, Mental Health, and Bike Touring from California to Florida

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Kevin Conley. Kevin is a thru-hiker, wildland firefighter, and the author of Above the Ashes, a memoir about battling mental illness during a 3,500 mile bike ride from California to Florida with his dog. Kevin shares the history of his troubled upbringing- and how this eventually lead to his discovering the Appalachian Trail, and consequently his infatuation with thru-hiking. Kevin goes in-depth about the life of a wildland firefighter, how his crippling panic attacks nearly lead to his demise, and his spirit of giving back and bettering the community around him. This is a really deep, honest, and at times dark conversation- and we'd like to offer a trigger warning to listeners that the following interview touches on talks of suicide. We wrap the show with a chat about whether rain pants are necessary for backpacking, the triple crown of fast food breakfasts, if weekend warriors are allowed to use limited AT campsites, an update from MG, and more. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Organifi: Use code “backpacker” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “trekit20” for a 2 day head start to 20% off and free shipping on November 3 and November 17 at enlightenedequipment.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “takelesstrekmore” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  [divider] Interview with Kevin Conley Kevin's Website Kevin's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:05:18 - QOTD: Would you rather live in the Avatar, Jurassic Park, or Avengers universes? 00:07:20 - Reminders: Hiker Meetup, Saturday December 10! 00:07:53 - Introducing Kevin 00:09:09 - Tell us about your origin story and first thru-hike. 00:14:58 - What about wilderness therapy didn’t work for you?  00:17:56 - How did you go from that experience to the AT? 00:19:27 - What sort of trouble did you get into as a kid? 00:20:30 - Discussion about high school background 00:22:46 - Walk us through the early days of starting on the AT. 00:25:10 - Tell us your trail name origin story. 00:27:15 - When did you feel like you hit your groove on the AT? 00:28:17 - Did you ever think you may not finish the trail? 00:28:55 - Tell us about getting bit by a black widow. 00:30:40 - Tell us about fracturing your foot twice. 00:32:08 - Tell us about getting and treating Lyme disease. 00:37:05 - At what point during the hike did you know you would hike another trail? 00:41:34 - Do you feel like the hike helped you process your grandfather’s death? 00:44:37 - Tell us about starting the PCT. 00:46:32 - Do you feel like you processed your grandmother’s death better due to spending more quality time with her? 00:48:08 - How was the PCT experience different from the AT? 00:50:05 - Tell us your PCT love story. 00:51:25 - Why didn’t your relationship continue? 00:53:54 - Discussion about Burgers and Love 00:55:10 - Were the burgers the start of your charitable endeavors? 00:57:17 - How much money have you raised on your hikes and bike tours? 00:58:18 - Give us more of the background on Backcountry Ninjas. 01:02:07 - Talk us through the evolution of your relationships with your parents. 01:03:53 - Tell us about hiking the John Muir Trail four times. 01:05:52 - How did you meet Hawaii? 01:07:01 - Tell us about how you got started bike touring. 01:10:42 - If you had to pick bike touring or hiking from now on, which would you pick? 01:12:28 - Why did you bike south from Canada? 01:13:12 - How did you get into firefighting? 01:16:17 - What do you have to do to get the job or during training? 01:18:20 - Do a lot of people back out once they get onto a Hotshot crew? 01:20:09 - How does the toughest day of firefighting compare to the toughest day of thru-hiking? 01:22:09 - What other days have stood out to you from firefighting? 01:27:07 - How do you go back to doing your job after a near death experience? 01:29:05 - Did you follow a specific training program or did you have to pass a test to join? 01:31:57 - Zach & Chaunce kill time 01:33:39 - What firefighting tasks did you favor? 01:39:51 - Can you say “I’m a Hotshot burn boss taking care of a dinner plate”? 01:41:10 - Tell us about the mental illness you were dealing with before your bike trip. 01:47:00 - *Begin trigger warning* 01:54:30 - *End trigger warning* 01:55:30 - Story about the man in the well 01:56:30 - Discussion about the bike trip. 01:59:57 - Was there a trigger to the panic attacks? 02:04:10 - What do you see as your path out of the panic attacks? 02:08:54 - Bison facts and gratitude 02:13:33 - Can you speak to changes you’ve seen in firefighters talking about mental health? 02:16:00 - *Begin trigger warning* 02:20:19 - *End trigger warning* 02:20:19 - Did you ever tell your dad about hearing his voice? 02:22:07 - Tell us about the book, Above the Ashes. 02:24:42 - Any other parting messages you want to share? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda Do You Really Need Rain Pants for Backpacking? by Rachel Shoemaker I’ve Thru-Hiked Over 8,700 Miles. This Is the Gear I Brought on My 99-Day CDT Thru-Hike by Joseph Gonzalez Triple Crown of fast food breakfasts Backcountry Meal Critics: Heather’s Choice Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @headnodculture. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
11/21/20222 hours, 59 minutes, 3 seconds
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#175 | Teresa Martinez Returns to Reflect on 10 Years of the Continental Divide Trail Coalition

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by friend of the podcast, renaissance woman, and Executive Director of the Continental Divide Trail Coalition, Teresa Martinez. Teresa feeds us prickly pear margaritas and shares some of the key achievements of the CDT since our last chat, including the recent National Monument designation of Camp Hale in which she got to meet President Biden. We get the full story of her interaction with the POTUS, including some well-earned water works, she reflects on what work has gone into growing the CDTC into thriving organization that it is today, what challenges and opportunities lie ahead, the process of turning trail towns into gateway communities, how climate change is impacting the thru-hikability of the trail, and much more. Teresa is the best and this conversation offers a very clear reminder of why this is true. We wrap the show with some new segments! We introduce backcountry meal critics, where Chaunce and I sample new dehydrated meals and offer our reviews. We also introduce "Stupid Thing of the Week", which likely needs no explanation. We check in with some former guests of the podcast. And we get another update from MG! RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Good To-Go: Use code “BF30” for 30% off at goodto-go.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “trekit20” for a 2 day head start to 20% off and free shipping on November 3 and November 17 at enlightenedequipment.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “takelesstrekmore” for 15% off at gossamergear.com. [divider] Interview with Teresa Martinez CDTC Website Time stamps & Questions 00:05:04 - QOTD: How was Mexico? 00:12:53 - Reminders: apply to blog for the Trek, check out our new stretch shorts, apply to be the Trek’s Youtube personality, Hiker Trash Meetup December 10! 00:17:53 - Introducing Teresa 00:22:38 - What does the 10 year anniversary of the CDTC feel like? 00:24:31 - Tell us about meeting the President. 00:29:39 - How have your fears for the organization changed? 00:25:47 - What are some of the things you’re doing that could be considered risky? 00:39:48 - Are there certain organizations you’re modeling the CDTC after? 00:44:11 - What elements of your ATC work did you bring to the CDTC versus improve upon? 00:52:31 - Tell us about the Camp Hale designation. 00:59:00 - What are the primary benefits of it becoming a National Monument? 01:04:29 - What would you consider some of the other major accomplishments of the CDTC? 01:08:19 - Do CDT purists get mad when signs are added? 01:13:40 - What’s your take on mapping and navigation? 01:18:28 - How did the Imbibe the Divide events go? 01:20:23 - What is your favorite pie flavor in Pie Town? 01:24:45 - How much of building a trail community happens organically versus planned? 01:29:47 - Is community fostering getting easier with people migrating into the mountain west? 01:34:48 - How has the percentage of completed trail increased since we last spoke? 01:38:09 - What does it take to galvanize communities to maintain remote sections of the trail? 01:41:55 - Tell us about the 10 for 10 Themes and October’s theme of hunting. 01:46:20 - Tell us about climate change impacts to the CDT. 01:49:00 - What’s your take on the future of thru-hiking? 01:52:45 - Tell us about the floods. 01:56:02 - Does water used to put out a fire ever cause flooding? 01:57:17 - Fuck Marry Kill: snow, fire, flood 01:58:33 - If we wanted to open a hiker hostel for CDT hikers in Colorado, what areas or towns would you recommend? 02:00:11 - Would the CDTC consider making a “trail alert” social media page for current trail status? 02:01:30 - Is it better to NOBO or SOBO? 02:02:25 - Does the CDTC have any professional full time trail crews? 02:03:33 - Any parting messages? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Backcountry Meal Critics: Packit Gourmet Trek Propaganda Tips for Flying With Your Backpack from A Flight Attendant by Sarah Lesiecki Stupid Thing of the Week Previous Guest Voicemails (leave us a voicemail!) Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @headnodculture. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
11/14/20222 hours, 44 minutes, 58 seconds
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#174 | Nick Van Buer on Trekking 530 Miles Across the Mojave Desert

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Nick Van Buer. Nick is an associate professor specializing in hard-rock geology at Cal Poly Pomona and recently completed a 530-mile hike across the Mojave Desert on what he’s dubbed as the Mojave Wilderness Route. We obviously nerd out on rocks, learn more about the history and science of geology at large, and talk in depth about Nick's trek across the most remote parts of the Mojave Desert. We wrap the show with a triple crown of non alcoholic drinks, we are blessed with a wonderful listener poop story via voice mail, and discuss the appropriate time to start and stop sending nudes. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Organifi: Use code “backpacker” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “trekit20” for a 2 day head start to 20% off and free shipping on November 3 and November 17 at enlightenedequipment.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “takelesstrekmore” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  [divider] Interview with Nick Van Buer Nick's Website: Across the Mojave Nick's Youtube series LA Times Article about Nick Time stamps & Questions 00:05:05 - QOTD: At what point in a relationship do you start and stop sending nudes? 00:15:49 - Reminders: Apply to blog or video-blog for the Trek! And check out our new shorts. 00:17:37 - Introducing Nick 00:18:45 - What got you interested in geology? 00:20:51 - Give us a taste of the professor life. 00:23:14 - How do you grind up a rock and find out how old it is? 00:25:38 - Do your students want to take geology? 00:27:20 - What are the most common geology careers? 00:28:37 - Did you use your geology skills during your hike? 00:29:37 - What are the best excuses you’ve gotten for people not coming to class or turning work in late? 00:31:20 - Can you teach us the basics of your research focus? 00:35:07 - Given your knowledge, on a scale of 1 to 10, what is your earthquake fear level? 00:38:33 - What was the process to get your sabbatical approved? 00:40:00 - Can you paint us a picture of the history of the Mojave Desert? 00:41:42 - Did you have a wishlist of things you were hoping to find during your hike? 00:43:41 - Did you develop the route? 00:45:44 - How long were your water carries and how did you carry it? 00:47:52 - Tell us about the weather you experienced. 00:48:38 - How did you know you’d be able to find water? 00:50:55 - Tell us about hiking through wilderness areas or passing notable interest points? 00:52:39 - Tell us about your previous backpacking experience. 00:55:07 - Were you nervous going into this hike? 00:56:33 - What kind of wildlife did you see? 00:57:35 - Describe to Zach what a geological map looks like. 01:00:40 - Is there one standout rock encounter? 01:03:15 - How often are there large paradigm shifts in geology? 01:04:57 - Was there anything in this hike that surprised you? 01:08:29 - Do you have any hot takes about currently accepted geological ideas? 01:10:39 - What’s the process for proving your theory? 01:13:22 - Tell us about the peer review process. 01:14:43 - Have you witnessed a lot of politicking within geology? 01:15:40 - Are there any fun geological facts you can relay to PCT hikers? 01:16:43 - How do you decide to take rocks from the field? 01:20:00 - What part of you just loves the desert, and what part of this is just public service? 01:20:56 - Tell us about swimming across the Colorado River. 01:25:50 - Tell us about the Youtube series that you made. 01:27:39 - Were there any standout stories you got more feedback on? 01:30:20 - How much weight in samples did you take? 01:31:54 - If these people were rocks, what rocks would they be and why? 01:35:01 - Do you have any other backpacking routes you’d like to do? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda Modifying your Gear List for High Routes and Off Trail Hikes by GPS 9 AT Thru-Hikers Share Their Top Advice by Rachel Shoemaker Triple Crown of non-alcoholic drinks Listener Voicemails (leave us your own!) Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @headnodculture. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
11/7/20222 hours, 33 minutes
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#173 | Q&A: Thru-Hiking Food Prep, Bear Containers, Trail Recommendations, and More

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are answering your burning backpacking questions! Chaunce and I tackle a wide array of Backpacker Radio listener questions - everything from how we plan our nutrition for a backpacking trip, to how we deal with the fading of trail friends after a thru-hike, when and where we recommend using a bear canister and what our go-to bear prevention strategies are, what qualities you should look for in a tent if you're backpacking with your dog, what innovations we foresee happening in the world of backpacking, and much much more. We also catch up with Backpacker Radio team members Leah and Rachel on their recent backpacking trips of the Colorado Trail and the Four Pass Loop, respectively. Also, if you get far enough into the episode, you'll be blessed with a BIG SURPRISE. This is a marathon show fueled on beer, strap in. Gossamer Gear: Use code “backpackerradio” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “trekit20” for a 2 day head start to 20% off and free shipping on November 3 and November 17 at enlightenedequipment.com. Green Chef: Use code “backpacker599” for free shipping on your first $5.99 meal at greenchef.com/backpacker599. [divider] Drunk Q&A! Time stamps & Questions 00:04:50 - QOTD: How drunk are you? 00:06:24 - Reminders: Apply to join the Trek! 00:08:44 - What is the best beginner east coast trail and beginner west coast trail? @sduugs 00:15:37 - Have you made your own dehydrated meals? If so, which ones? 00:19:35 - What is the best trail for learning navigational skills and off-trail hiking? @tales_on_trail 00:24:25 - Do you have a favorite electrolyte powder? @jacob_neary_ 00:30:30 - Zach, tell us more about how you plan meals and caloric intake before a long hike? 00:33:28 - What do your meals look like for a typical day on trail?  00:43:43 - How do you cope with post-trail friendships fading? @imhikinghere 00:51:19 - Is it challenging to find full-time work with a thru-hiking gap on your resume? 00:59:18 - Is a bear bag or bear canister better? Pros and cons of each? @wyatthart_9b 01:06:24 - How do you hang an Ursack? 01:07:21 - Thoughts on the DIY ultralight community? Have you built anything for hiking in a DIY spirit? @balkenbrij_  01:12:18 - What tents are best when bringing a dog? @hunter_clark_4  01:23:40 - What will the next big leap forward in backpacking innovation/technology be? @jasonhikedsunedited  01:26:55 - Drone resupply in the backcountry: good or evil? @reedinthewind  01:29:39 - What do you look for when picking a spot to pitch a tent? @guerrero403  01:33:09 - What’s a reasonable water carry for the southern terminus of the CDT? I always bring too much. @bryce.294  01:37:10 - Can you talk about how different thru-hiking would be without trail magic or trail angels, specifically in reference to the AT? 01:46:30 - If you had to fuel your hike with PBR, how many miles per PBR would you average? Would it change once you blacked out? 01:55:15 - Triple Crown of hikers/previous podcast guests who you would want to be with you during a zombie apocalypse @trinitymarie.b  01:58:55 - While thru-hiking, what’s the craziest and most desperate fantasy you’ve had? @steven__cannon  02:01:49 - What is the most disgusting, hiker trash thing you’ve done on trail that would be totally unacceptable off trail? @chandlersam_ 02:06:24 - What is the weirdest/spookiest thing you’ve encountered hiking or backpacking at night? @jerry.ellsworth  02:17:35 - What’s your worst hiking fear? @staticmuscial 02:22:04 - Triple Crown of what you put in your fanny pack @riley.seeholzer 02:25:06 - Who is having the next kid, Zach or Chaunce? @jameswashburn 02:28:14 - What’s your tattoo? @mr_siewruk  02:28:37 - It’s okay to kind of hate hiking alone, right? @russelltee SEGMENTS Leah’s Colorado Trail Hike Rachel’s Four Pass Loop Hike [divider] Check out our sound guy @headnodculture. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
10/31/20223 hours, 35 minutes, 10 seconds
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#172 | Carl "Professor" Stanfield on Hiking the Most Miles in a Calendar Year

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Carl Stanfield aka "Professor". Professor is in the midst of attempting to hike the most known miles over the course of a single calendar year, including a calendar year triple crown. We of course dive deep into his journey including his Florida Trail hike in January, hiking through frigid temps on the AT, yet- how he's gotten incredibly lucky with weather throughout his trek at large, we learn how he's managed to prioritize the overall experience above making miles, the number of free beers he's accumulated over his many miles, and much more. And, because Professor is a major gear nerd, we dissect his pack, his apparel, and what changes he's made throughout the course of his journey. It was a ton of fun to have Carl in studio for this show, we hope you enjoy the chat as much as we did. We wrap the show with a triple crown of non R-rated insults, Chaunce has her mind exploded about the proper way to use coffee ice cubes, and we get yet another update from our intrepid adventurer MG. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “trekit20” for a 2 day head start to 20% off and free shipping on November 3 and November 17 at enlightenedequipment.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “takelesstrekmore” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  [divider] Interview with Carl “Professor” Stanfield Carl's Instagram  Time stamps & Questions 00:03:26 - QOTD: What’s the proper way to use coffee ice cubes? 00:08:43 - Reminders: Shop the Trek’s shorts, apply to join the Trek, and support us by subscribing wherever you listen! 00:10:57 - Introducing Professor 00:11:53 - How tired are you? 00:14:00 - Define your hiking goals for us. 00:17:03 - Did you expect to complete your goal at the beginning? 00:18:33 - Did you reach out to the Guinness Book of World Records? 00:20:10 - What was your backpacking background prior to this year? 00:23:19 - What did you go to school for and what jobs did you aim to get afterwards? 00:25:10 - Discussion about Carl’s gear reviews for the Trek 00:26:05 - Tell us about the Florida Trail! 00:31:44 - What kind of mileage did you do on your first thru-hikes? 00:33:25 - Tell us about spending half your AT nights indoors. 00:35:11 - Are you socially or physically tired when staying with strangers? 00:37:11 - Have you had to scale back on the social events to meet your mileage goals? 00:38:19 - Do you have a standout social experience that stands out? 00:42:49 - Discussion about intense emotions on trail 00:46:28 - Let’s talk about cold and snow on the AT! 00:49:22 - Why wasn’t the cold too bad for you? 00:51:09 - Why was the AT physically harder than you expected? 00:52:14 - What advice would you give to someone who wants a similar indoor experience? 00:56:20 - How did the AT wrap up? 00:59:47 - Was it stressful or nice to take time off? 01:02:09 - Were there other people around when you started the Sierras on the PCT? 01:03:54 - Was there a shock level being thrust into the Sierra landscape from the AT? 01:04:42 - How many fires did you encounter on the PCT? 01:06:59 - Did the social element from the AT maintain on the PCT? 01:08:10 - What kind of food were you craving for dinner or in town? 01:11:09 - How did you save up to do this hike? 01:12:42 - Discussion about Carl’s frugality. 01:15:01 - Discussion about experiences with people and Quadzilla’s Quads. 01:19:54 - What happened after the northern terminus of the PCT? 01:20:50 - Breakfast buffet benders 01:24:25 - Tell us about the CDT so far. 01:27:43 - What types of things are you tracking? 01:31:18 - Have you had any grizzly encounters? 01:31:59 - What else has happened on the CDT? 01:33:47 - What remains of your hike now? 01:37:52 - What’s the bigger goal: the calendar year triple crown or the mileage record? 01:38:34 - What qualifies as miles that count toward your goal? 01:40:28 - What are your big 3? 01:46:42 - Tell us about your footwear. 01:49:17 - Fuck Marry Kill: your gear 01:51:06 - Tell us about your shirt. 01:54:24 - What else is worth talking about in your gear? 01:57:18 - Any other gear you want to talk about? 01:58:47 - What have been the major takeaways of your journey so far? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda Carl “Professor” Stanfield on Attempting the Most Miles Ever Hiked in One Year by Penina Satlow How to Pick the Perfect Sun Hoodie for Your Next Hike by Eloise Robbins Triple Crown of non R-rated insults 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @headnodculture. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, Leah, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
10/24/20222 hours, 26 minutes, 50 seconds
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#171 | Sarah Dramis on Triple Crowning, Healing Her Back Injury, Strength Training, and VIP Nannying

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Minus33, we are joined by Sarah Dramis.  Sarah is a triple crowner turned ultrarunner, a fitness coach, former VIP travel family manager and nanny, and the survivor of a serious back injury resulting in several broken vertebrae.  We go deep on Sarah's backpacking career, including some of the standout highs and lows from each of her backpacking trips, we do a fuck marry kill on the triple crown trails, we learn about Sarah's passion for strength training and fitness in general, her failed attempt at the Colorado Trail FKT, and much more.   We wrap the show with a triple crown of rainy day activities, we hear from a fan of the show who was viciously lied to by Chaunce, and we chat about some of our favorite trail meals. Minus33: Use code “backpacker22” for 15% off at minus33.com. Organifi: Use code “backpacker” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “takelesstrekmore” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  [divider] Interview with Sarah Dramis Sarah's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:46 - QOTD: What is your favorite trail meal? 00:06:57 - Reminders: Support the PNTS at bellsbeer.com/trails, apply to join the Trek, and support us by subscribing wherever you listen! 00:09:17 - Introducing Sarah 00:09:57 - How’d you get your trail name? 00:10:30 - What’s the backpacking scene like in Hawaii? 00:11:50 - What put the PCT on your radar? 00:13:05 - Tell us about breaking your back. 00:16:36 - Discussion about the rod in Sarah’s back. 00:20:00 - How did the rod protect you when you got hit by a car? 00:22:06 - What was it like transitioning to long-distance hiking? 00:23:35 - How did you know how to train your body? 00:24:50 - How much was strength training a part of your routine before thru-hiking? 00:27:23 - How did thru-hiking change your wiring? 00:28:50 - Where does fearless Sarah come from? 00:30:00 - Tell us about getting frostbite and hypothermia. 00:34:58 - Tell us about doing the Colorado Trail in 2016. 00:36:48 - Was there any challenge to thru-hiking with your best friend? 00:39:50 - Tell us about the Annapurna Circuit. 00:43:35 - Was the person you did the circuit with a love interest? 00:45:00 - Tell us about the Appalachian Trail. 00:47:58 - Are you more of a solo hiker or a group hiker? 00:49:28 - Tell us about rain on the AT. 00:53:42 - What’d you do in 2018? 00:55:00 - What makes a family VIP? 00:59:12 - How much free time did you have while nannying? 01:00:30 - Tell us about the CDT in 2019. 01:02:58 - How did the CDT snow compare to the AT rain? 01:08:10 - How is it seeing 4 grizzlies in one day? 01:10:21 - What were your emotions when finishing the trail? 01:11:17 - Tell us about getting into ultrarunning.  01:14:30 - Fuck Marry Kill: the triple crown trails 01:15:47 - Tell us about the CT FKT attempt. 01:23:59 - Do you have more FKT aspirations? 01:25:03 - What are your song recommendations for climbs, running, and trail? 01:31:43 - Are there training differences between backpacking and running? 01:35:00 - Tell us about your diet and your thoughts on nutrition. 01:41:56 - Chaunce’s drink 01:48:10 - Tell us about your plans for a homestead. 01:50:22 - Discussion about animals as food vs. pets 01:52:24 - Chaunce’s chicken story 01:53:51 - How could someone get involved in your fitness coaching or follow your adventures? 01:56:38 - Anything else you want to share? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda Is Universal Cell Phone Coverage Around the Corner? by Kelly Floro Triple Crown of rainy day activities 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @headnodculture. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
10/17/20222 hours, 23 minutes, 32 seconds
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#170 | Mike Clelland, Author of Ultralight Backpackin' Tips, on Lightweight Camping, Illustrating, and How Owls Relate to UFOs

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Mike Clelland. Mike is the author of one of the preeminent UL backpacking books, "Ultralight Backpackin' Tips: 153 Amazing & Inexpensive Tips For Extremely Lightweight Camping". We go through some of his top tips for getting pack weight down, how he arrived to the world of UL backpacking, his work with NOLS, his Alaskan expeditions, and much more. We also dive into Mike's fascination with the interplay of owls and UFOs which is perhaps predictably equal parts bizarre and fascinating. We wrap the show with a Triple Crown of things we don’t like about Colorado, clichés that we think are total bullshit, and we get another update from MG. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “backpackerradio” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Minus33: Use code “backpacker22” at minus33.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. [divider] Interview with Mike Clelland Mike's Website Mike's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:47 - QOTD: What is a cliche you think is total bullshit? 00:07:17 - Reminders: support the Blue Sky Fund and subscribe to Backpacker Radio! 00:08:57 - Introducing Mike 00:11:02 - When did you get into illustration and cartoons? 00:13:51 - What was your favorite toy to draw advertisements for? 00:16:29 - Was your job anything like Mad Men? 00:21:05 - How did you get into backpacking? 00:28:56 - What was your backpacking experience prior to working at NOLS? 00:30:31 - Were you apprehensive about switching to ultralight gear? 00:32:16 - What are some of the key differences between Lighten Up! and Ultralight Backpackin’ Tips? 00:37:35 - Tip #3: Scrutinize Everything 00:41:40 - Tip #6: Try Something New Every Time You Go Camping? 00:46:44 - What’s a recent example of something you’ve tweaked in your setup? 00:48:24 - How important is it for someone to have DIY skills? 00:50:56 - Tip #9: Cut Stuff Off Your Gear 00:58:07 - Why should someone go ultralight? 01:05:30 - Tip #25: Appreciate the Wilderness 01:08:17 - Tip #30: Is going ultralight more expensive? 01:11:22 - Do you scrutinize your food as much as your gear? 01:16:31 - Tip #55: Prepare a Simple First Aid Kit 01:20:44 - What’s your take on torso length sleeping pads? 01:24:08 - You say a backpack can be as light as 3 ounces?! 01:26:22 - Tip #65: Choose Bold Routes 01:29:01 - Tip #100: The Humble Pillow 01:31:15 - Tip #116: Poop 01:40:44 - What are some of your favorite and least favorite natural wiping devices? 01:49:30 - Talk to us about UFOs and owls. 01:59:17 - What is hypnotic regression? 02:03:02 - Do you think these are ghost, alien, or other paranormal experiences? 02:04:45 - What percent of owls do you consider suspicious?  02:10:00 - Should we be suspicious of owls? 02:11:48 - Mike’s newest owl stories 02:17:28 - Are certain types of owls more suspicious than others? 02:22:07 - Where can people go to learn more? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Send Us Your Owl Stories Leave us a voicemail Email us at [email protected] Write us a 5 Star Review Trek Propaganda Wind River High Route Trip Report Part 1: Photographic Route Description by Kelly Floro Triple Crown of things we don’t like about Colorado 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @headnodculture. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
10/10/20222 hours, 46 minutes, 7 seconds
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#169 | Kylie Yang on Ridgerunning on the AT, Working for the CDTC, and Giving Back through Trail Work

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, guest co-host Steven Shattuck aka Twinkle and yours truly are joined by Kylie Yang. Kylie is a Field Programs Manager at the Continental Divide Trail Coalition, a thru-hiker, a former AT ridgerunner, and overall a wealth of knowledge regarding all things pertaining to the great outdoors. We chat about Kylie's foray into the world of thru-hiking, what being an Appalachian Trail ridgerunner looks like- including being called "an overly tattooed, hipster slut" by an angry hiker, and we learn all about her present-day role with the Continental Divide Trail Coalition and the challenges of getting volunteers to remote sections of the trail. We wrap the show with a triple crown of conspiracies you maybe buy into a little, useful items you'll likely find in a hiker box, new gear that we've been digging over the last season or two, what hitchhiking on the AT really looks like, and much more. Gossamer Gear: Use code “takelesstrekmore” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “backpacker” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Minus33: Use code “backpacker22” at minus33.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. [divider] Shoutout to our guest editor for this episode, Tina Mullen! Interview with Kylie Yang Kylie's Instagram The Bridge Project Continental Divide Trail Coalition Time stamps & Questions 00:05:16 - QOTD: What does today’s guest’s dad do for a living? 00:06:13 - Reminder 1: Apply to be a blogger for 2023! 00:06:31 - Reminder 2: Please subscribe! 00:07:04 - Introducing Kylie 00:07:54 - Discussion about growing up in southeastern Virginia/Yorktown 00:09:15 - How did you get into the outdoors? 00:11:08 - How did you transition to thru-hiking? 00:13:40 - Did you have a partner when you hiked? 00:14:52 - Tell us about your social experience on the AT. 00:16:25 - What’s your favorite story from your AT hike? 00:19:05 - Tell us another AT story! 00:21:02 - What was it like to hike through the places you grew up? 00:23:03 - What is a ridgerunner, for those who don’t know? 00:24:17 - Tell us about bears in New Jersey.  00:26:56 - Tell us about your tattoos! 00:30:06 - What’s the most common fuckup you see hikers making? 00:31:03 - Discussion about Kylie’s job setup 00:32:33 - Tell us about the interplay between you and thru-hikers. 00:35:24 - What’s a regular day in the life of a ridgerunner?  00:36:45 - Were you trained in how to educate people? 00:39:27 - What’s the weirdest trash you collected? 00:40:34 - Discussion about becoming a ridgerunner, the salary, and tips for interested people 00:43:44 - What’s the most common way people went against LNT practices? 00:46:10 - Tell us about the Long Path! 00:48:42 - Why did you hike in winter? 00:50:01 - How long would it take the average person to hike the Long Path? 00:51:03 - Why the Long Path? 00:53:14 - More discussion about section hiking the Long Path in the winter 00:56:57 - Tell us about working for the Continental Divide Trail Coalition. 00:58:25 - Tell us about the Bridge Project. 01:00:00 - Shoe tangents 01:01:43 - What would you tell people looking to get into trail work? 01:02:12 - Is there a difference between volunteering out east and in the Rockies? 01:03:57 - Tell us about the type of work you do and what is most rewarding. 01:05:30 - Discussion about the openings at the CDTC. 01:07:20 - What’s been the most exciting project in Colorado? 01:08:05 - Discussion about qualifications and incentives for volunteering 01:13:20 - Discussion about trail adopters 01:15:52 - How much of the trail is adopted? 01:18:00 - What else should people know about volunteering or the CDTC? 01:19:08 - What’s next for you? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda 6 Useful Items You Can Almost Always Find in an AT Hiker Box by Kelly Floro Triple Crown of conspiracies you maybe buy a little New Gear Review Listener Voicemail (and leave us your own!) 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @headnodculture. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
10/3/20222 hours, 10 minutes, 41 seconds
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#168 | Section Hiking vs. Thru-Hiking: Defining Each Style, Benefits and Drawbacks, and Who They're For

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are bringing you another panel episode. Today we are joined by Backpacker Radio regular, Clay Bonnyman Evans aka Pony to compare and contrast thru-hiking and section hiking. We go deep, focusing largely on the benefits of each of these styles of hiking, who they're for, what we have personally gained from them, and much more. If you're curious about whether you should hit the pause button on your life and take a half year to meander in the mountains, this episode will hopefully serve you a ton of value. And, as always when Pony is studio, this one is delightfully wild.   Gossamer Gear: Use code “backpackerradio” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “backpacker” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Minus33: Use code “backpacker22” for 15% off at minus33.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Panel with Badger, Chaunce, and Pony Tom Turcich (and His Pup) Set to Complete 7-Year Around-the-World Walk Next Month by Clay Bonnyman Evans Leave us a voicemail! Time stamps & Questions 00:05:03 - QOTD: What’s the stupidest thing you’ve done this week? 00:20:05 - Reminders: Apply to be a blogger for 2023! 00:20:32 - Introducing the panel topic 00:22:30 - Panelist’s hiking experiences 00:23:55 - Discussion of the definition of section hiking 00:26:05 - Chaunce’s Thru-Hiking Pro #1 00:28:25 - Zach’s Thru-Hiking Pro #1 00:31:40 - Pony’s disclaimer about section hiking 00:34:02 - Pony’s Thru-Hiking Pro #1 00:38:15 - Chaunce’s Thru-Hiking Pro #2 00:46:18 - Zach’s Thru-Hiking Pro #2 00:57:44 - Pony’s Thru-Hiking Pro #2 01:02:00 - Chaunce’s Thru-Hiking Pro #3 01:05:55 - Zach’s Thru-Hiking Pro #3 01:06:50 - Discussion of friends and trail families while thru-hiking 01:09:05 - Pony’s Thru-Hiking Pro #3 01:12:10 - Chaunce’s Section Hiking Pro #1 01:17:48 - Zach’s Section Hiking Pro #1 01:20:56 - Pony’s Section Hiking Pro #1 01:26:40 - Chaunce’s Section Hiking Pro #2 01:27:30 - Zach’s Section Hiking Pro #2 01:30:05 - Chaunce’s Section Hiking Pro #3 01:32:48 - Pony’s Section Hiking Pro #2 [divider] Check out our sound guy @headnodculture. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
9/26/20221 hour, 43 minutes, 13 seconds
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#167 | Kraig Adams on Being a Professional Vlogger and International Trekking

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Minus33, we are joined by Kraig Adams. Kraig has accumulated more than 700,000 YouTube subscribers while showcasing his adventures from around the world, including Mae Hong Son Loop in Thailand, Adirondack High Peaks, Tour Du Mont Blanc Loop in France, Santa Cruz Trek in Peru, Torres del Paine in Chile, Kesugi Ridge Trail in Alaska, Sawtooth Loop Trail in Idaho, just to name a few. We learn how Kraig got into the world of video blogging, how he's turned it into a full time profession, his favorite and least favorite hikes domestically and abroad, what advice he'd offer to aspiring worldly travelers, how and why he maintains a life of minimalism, and much more. We wrap the show with a triple crown of things that you aren’t superstitious about but may be a little-sticious about, a guide to edible berries along the PCT, and another update from MG! Minus33: Use code “backpacker22” at minus33.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “takelesstrekmore” for 15% off at gossamergear.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. [divider] Interview with Kraig Adams Kraig's Youtube Channel Kraig's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:03:03 - QOTD: What’s a sport that no matter the skill level, you don’t find impressive at all? 00:07:23 - Reminders: Apply to be the Trek’s Youtube personality! 00:07:29 - Introducing Kraig 00:08:20 - Tell us about your background. 00:09:57 - Discussion about initial filmmaking in NYC.  00:11:45 - What’s your benchmark for a successful video today? 00:12:57 - What’s the inspiration for your video style? 00:14:34 - Are you using backpacking as a means to travel or travel as a means to backpack? 00:16:06 - Tell us your hiking resume. 00:17:54 - Does it feel like work for you? 00:18:52 - Do you ever hike with your dog? 00:20:00 - What goes into planning a trip for you? 00:23:35 - Would you say your priority is more the video product or your own experience? 00:25:07 - How do you balance your work and home life? 00:27:02 - How does being a minimalist impact the decisions you make while traveling? 00:29:09 - How does minimalism influence your physical belongings? 00:30:48 - Is your wife a minimalist? 00:34:10 - Discussion about Big Bend 00:34:50 - What are your top three favorite US hikes? 00:35:47 - What are your top three favorite international hikes? 00:37:31 - How was your most recent Tour du Mont Blanc? 00:38:05 - What is it like to do a trip with subscribers? 00:42:10 - Do you get recognized a lot? 00:43:02 - Do you have any stories about trips going awry? 00:45:57 - How do you prepare for camping alone in Alaska? 00:47:15 - Discussion about navigation 00:48:30 - Hike superlatives 00:53:15 - What tips do you have about the Sawtooth Loop? 00:54:03 - What international hike would you recommend for beginners? 00:55:32 - Which trail has the best wildlife? 00:57:08 - What’s your fear level? 01:00:14 - Do you have any other travel tips and tricks? 01:03:03 - What are some primary/secondary hike pairs? 01:05:06 - Tell us about your camera gear and video process. 01:08:27 - Is there one component that accounts for the majority of your revenue? 01:11:09 - Discussion about brand partnerships 01:13:20 - Where can people follow you? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda A Short & Sweet Introduction to Picking Edible Berries Along the PCT by J. Taylor Bell Triple Crown of things you aren’t superstitious about but are maybe a little-stitious about Twitter Picture Chaunce Surprise Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @headnodculture. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
9/19/20221 hour, 37 minutes, 7 seconds
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#166 | Robbie Balenger, Plant-Based Ultra-Endurance Athlete, on the Colorado Crush: the Colorado Trail, All 58 14ers, and the Leadville Trail Series

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Robbie Balenger. Robbie is a plant-based ultra-endurance athlete, with achievements including a run across the United States and a feat he dubbed the Colorado Crush which involves hiking the 485-mile Colorado Trail, summiting all 58 of Colorado's 14,000-ft peaks, and running the Leadville Trail Series- the marathon, the-50 mile race, and the 100-mile race...all of this in the span of 63 days! We of course go in-depth about these endurance undertakings, including how he manages his diet, his recovery, the highlights and lowlights from these adventures, the role his crew plays, and much more. You will walk away from this one feeling either very inspired or very lazy- and quite likely both. We wrap the show with a triple crown of trees, some promising news on the Lyme disease vaccine front, we get another update from MG, and we share some of our favorite shorter thru-hikes for a listener. RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “backpackerradio” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Interview with Robbie Balenger Robbie's Website Robbie's Instagram Colorado Crush Documentary Outlast a Tesla The Audacious Report Time stamps & Questions 00:05:19 - QOTD: What’s something that you like less as you get older? 00:15:26 - Introducing Robbie 00:16:17 - When did you get into athletics and endurance sports? 00:19:23 - What is it about running that draws you in? 00:20:44 - Discussion about marathon strategies and breaking through the wall 00:22:48 - Discussion about food during running 00:24:02 - How did you prevent injury on your transcontinental run? 00:25:20 - Discussion about shoes 00:26:12 - Tell us about your plant-based diet. 00:30:42 - Discussion about alcohol 00:31:52 - What do you eat to get enough calories? 00:34:44 - How did you occupy your mind on your transcontinental run? 00:37:29 - Tell us about the Central Park Loop 00:39:55 - Discussion about backyard ultras 00:41:07 - What would you say your mental drive is? 00:43:29 - Discussion about training intensity and strategies 00:46:18 - Do you have any recurring injuries? 00:47:26 - Tell us about NuCalm 00:56:41 - What was the inspiration for the Colorado Crush? 00:58:05 - What lessons did you learn about setting up a good sponsorship model? 01:00:19 - What was the structure and order of the Colorado Crush? 01:01:34 - What made the Leadville 100 the most difficult event? 01:03:42 - How did you decide the timing? 01:04:41 - Has anyone told you they’re interested in replicating the Colorado Crush? 01:05:02 - Fuck Marry Kill: the Leadville Trail Series, all the 14ers, and the Colorado Trail 01:05:40 - How did the Colorado Trail compare to your expectations? 01:07:13 - How do you compare/contrast road running and trail running? 01:09:48 - Any fun hallucination stories? 01:12:21 - What’s your mentality while running at night? 01:14:30 - What lazy things do you love doing? 01:15:42 - What did you learn about yourself as a man? 01:18:22 - Is it unusual to have the height of your career start late? 01:19:14 - How was your mindspace as you started the 14ers? 01:21:06 - What were the logistics for getting to and up all the 14ers? 01:23:10 - Did you have any close weather calls? 01:24:33 - Tell us about your crew 01:26:23 - Is there anything you can’t eat anymore? 01:27:37 - Anything else to share from the Leadville 100? 01:28:41 - What does the future hold for you? 01:32:00 - Where can people keep up with you? SEGMENTS MG Check-In New Sound Bites Trek Propaganda In Defense of Wild: Cheryl Strayed’s Memoir Is Nothing Like Your Trail Journal, and That’s OK by Penina Satlow Lyme Disease Vaccine Enters Phase 3 Trials by Penina Satlow Triple Crown of trees Quadzilla’s Quads Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
9/12/20222 hours, 4 minutes, 54 seconds
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#165 | Pattie Gonia: All Things Drag Queen, Hiking in High Heels, and Advocacy for Inclusive Outdoors

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Wyn Wiley, better known online as Pattie Gonia. Pattie is a "professional homosexual", environmentalist, and a drag queen. This conversation is fun and informative. We go deep learning all the fun nuances of the drag world, including what goes into a good tuck (who owns the title for the GOAT of tucking), the best drag songs, and the core components of a good drag performance. Pattie shares all the good work she's is doing with various outdoor organizations to improve representation in the outdoors. And of course we get a run down of what goes into being ultra-athletic in high heel boots. We close the show with a triple crown of awkward places to run into an ex, a Q&A segment, and we cover if thru-hiking the PCT can give you a dumptruck ass. Gossamer Gear: Use code “backpackerradio” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “backpacker” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Interview with Wyn Wiley aka Pattie Gonia Pattie's Instagram The Outdoorist Oath Website The Outdoorist Oath Instagram Queer Outdoor and Environmental Job Board Austin Smith Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:56 - QOTD: What’s the easiest meal of the day to eat healthfully? 00:10:39 - Reminder: Apply to be a 2023 Trek Blogger 00:11:34 - Introducing Wyn! 00:13:05 - Who is Wyn Wiley? 00:15:26 - How did you become Pattie Gonia? 00:17:40 - Were you always openly queer? 00:19:23 - Who put boundaries on you as a kid? 00:22:10 - How do you run in high heels? 00:24:20 - What were you thinking when you posted some of your first viral videos? 00:27:22 - Were some people okay with you being gay but not with your wearing heels? 00:29:26 - Can you explain Wyn and Pattie’s different pronouns? 00:31:40 - What’s a good protocol for knowing when to ask someone their preferred pronouns? 00:33:36 - Discussion about being Pattie versus Wyn 00:35:10 - What’s the most difficult physical endeavor you’ve done in heels? 00:36:14 - Discussion about tucking 00:41:45 - Tell us about your hiking clothes. 00:42:48 - Do you have any tips for hiking in heels? 00:44:42 - Do you have any good eating shit stories from hiking in heels? 00:45:41 - Tell us about your recent event with the North Face. 00:48:29 - How can businesses be better allies? 00:50:34 - How can businesses move into the advocacy space? 00:52:31 - Do you want to give any particular people a shoutout? 00:54:09 - Have you had experiences where brands have approached you the wrong way? 00:55:48 - What were some of the biggest lessons you learned? 00:57:18 - What do you recommend for people looking to join queer outdoor communities? 00:59:07 - What does into a 10/10 drag performance? 01:03:42 - If you’re stranded on drag island, what 3 songs do you bring for your performance? 01:05:25 - If you were to make a drag starter pack, what would be in it? 01:06:28 - What is your go-to hiking snack? 01:11:18 - Do you feel like the thru-hiking community better accepts the queer community? 01:15:35 - How do you think you can bring more straight, white men to allyship? 01:17:01 - Do you see any backlash for caring about hair and makeup in the outdoors? 01:20:10 - Tell us about your makeup process. 01:22:09 - If you could pick only 3 pieces of makeup, what would you choose? 01:22:50 - Tell us about the plastics crisis work you did in Hawaii. 01:27:50 - Tell us about your organization, the Outdoorist Oath. 01:28:56 - What are the first projects your organization is starting with? 01:30:32 - Can you tell us about calling out NOLS? 01:37:29 - What should companies prioritize to do better by communities? 01:40:03 - Where can people go to keep up with you? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Hiker Dies After Being Found Unresponsive on Mt. Washington by Penina Satlow Triple Crown of awkward places to bump into an ex Instagram Q&A Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
9/5/20222 hours, 16 minutes, 39 seconds
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#164 | Danae and Olen Netteburg on Thru-Hiking with 5 Kids and Working as Doctors in Rural Africa

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by The Netteburg family. Danae and Olen Netteburg, alongside their 5 children- ages ranging from 13 to 1, are currently thru-hiking the CDT. This is their second thru-hike in three years, after the family completed the Appalachian Trail in 2020. The Netteburg's story is one of a kind- both Danae and Olen are missionary doctors who run a 100-bed hospital in rural Chad. We go in-depth learning about how a family of seven manages on a trail as challenging as the CDT, their standout highs and lows from the AT, what life is like back in their home of Chad and the challenges of their work, and much more. The kiddos were also in and out of the studio for this one, so be prepared for the fun chaos that will ensue. We wrap the show with a triple crown of things you put on a cracker, a fan follow up to Kathryn Miles' episode which paints a different picture of one of the suspects, and we opine on the movies most deserving of a sequel. Gossamer Gear: Use code “backpackerradio” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  RTIC Outdoors: Shop at rticoutdoors.com. Tanri: Use code “bpradio10” for 10% off at tanri.com. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Interview with Danae and Olen Netteburg Danae's Instagram Olen's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:05:10 - QOTD: What movie do you most wish had a sequel? 00:07:15 - Introducing the Netteburgs 00:08:15 - How did you end up on trail as a family? 00:10:15 - Tell us about being doctors in Chad! 00:13:08 - Can you compare practicing medicine in the US versus abroad? 00:15:20 - Can anything stress you out while thru-hiking? 00:18:12 - Tell us some crazy doctor stories. 00:21:01 - What are the kid’s thoughts on the biggest differences between Chad and America? 00:22:10 - Hippo facts! 00:25:56 - What other scary animals do you deal with in Chad? 00:27:15 - What precautions do you take for mosquitos? 00:30:16 - What drives you to continue being doctors in Chad? 00:32:24 - How did you decide to hike the AT in 2020? 00:36:15 - Kids: what was your initial impression of the AT? 00:39:20 - Tell us about the timeline for starting the AT? 00:43:15 - Did you ever consider stopping the hike? 00:47:50 - What does a 6 person resupply/meal strategy look like? 00:49:15 - Are all the kids hiking themselves? 00:51:30 - What are some parenting hacks to keep the kids happy while hiking? 00:54:42 - Is it a welcome distraction or additional burden to keep the kids happy? 00:55:35 - How do you handle it when they’re grumpy? 00:57:44 - What are each of their hiking personas? 01:00:15 - At what age do they stay reliably on trail? 01:00:50 - What’s the extent of the gear that the kids carry? 01:03:35 - What packs do you use? 01:05:12 - Roughly speaking, what’s your typical pace? 01:08:33 - Discussion about feeding the kids 01:11:10 - What are the other person’s most and least endearing hiking traits? 01:15:02 - Did you get a lot of criticism in 2020? 01:15:49 - How would you compare the challenge of the AT and the CDT? 01:17:29 - Discussion about potty training and hiking with a baby 01:20:31 - How do you manage sleep deprivation? 01:21:41 - How do you manage to stay happy partners? 01:23:19 - Tell us about managing the monsoons and lightning on the CDT. 01:27:40 - Discussion about using umbrellas 01:28:50 - Tell us about your spreadsheets! 01:34:51 - If you could go back to day 0 on the AT, what advice would you give yourself? 01:36:29 - How do the kids adjust when you return to your busy work schedules? 01:38:27 - How much would you say thru-hiking is for you two, the kids, or the family? 01:39:17 - Do you think the kids have the thru-hiking itch now? 01:40:45 - Where can people keep up with you? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Pooping on the Appalachian Trail: Important Statistics from My Thru-Hike by Brian “Slurpee” Garner Montbell Superior Down Parka Review by Elise Ott Triple Crown of things you put on a cracker Mail Bag 5 Star Review Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
8/29/20222 hours, 50 seconds
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#163 | Quinn Brett on Handcycling the Tour Divide and Maintaining an Active Lifestyle after a Paralyzing Climbing Fall

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Quinn Brett. Quinn was a world-class climber prior to her 2017 fall in Yosemite left her paralyzed from the waist down. Since then, Quinn being the badass athlete that she is, has found new modes to adventure, having most recently completed the 2,500-mile Tour Divide on an adaptive handbike, which she did in just 25 days. We learn all about Quinn's accident, how her adventures, friendships, and life have changed since that fall, and we go in-depth about her advocacy work- how Quinn is fighting to improve recreational accessibility for other persons with disabilities. We wrap the show with a Triple Crown of Countries You’d Live in if Deported from the US, a brief overview of some of the reasons we've fired Mara, and we opine on where Funyuns belong in the greater chip ranking. Gossamer Gear: Use code “backpackerradio” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Ned: Use code “backpacker” for 15% off at helloned.com/backpacker. [divider] Interview with Quinn Brett Quinn's Instagram Quinn's Website An Accidental Life Time stamps & Questions 00:03:08 - QOTD: Have you heard of Elon Musk’s dog mode? 00:07:38 - Reminders: submit your AT terminus pictures! 00:08:10 - Introducing Quinn 00:08:37 - How did you originally get interested in the outdoors and climbing? 00:10:47 - What does climbing look like in Minnesota? 00:11:51 - What does doing a season in Yosemite mean? 00:13:04 - How did you get started on the big walls? 00:14:51 - What is it like camping in a portaledge? 00:16:25 - Discussion about premier climbing locations in Colorado and the US. 00:17:28 - Tell us about your accident. 00:20:47 - How did you get off the wall? 00:22:49 - Was the fall itself painful? 00:23:33 - How did you brain process learning that you were paralyzed? 00:25:21 - How did your relationship with climbing change? 00:27:13 - Are there options for climbing while paralyzed? 00:29:30 - Would you go back and change anything if you could? 00:31:21 - What have you noticed about inaccessibility since your injury? 00:34:39 - What are the most common barriers to accessibility in the outdoors? 00:37:30 - Tell us about your documentary. 00:38:52 - What would you want to change about the documentary? 00:41:31 - Tell us more about the current and future therapies for spinal cord injuries. 00:44:01 - Is there any hope in something like Neuralink? 00:46:30 - Tell us about your ride on the Tour Divide. 00:47:53 - How did you train for the ride? 00:49:15 - Would your hand cycle have tipped less with two rear wheels? 00:51:35 - How did you solve the battery problem? 00:52:51 - Tell us about the camping. 00:54:55 - Do you feel like your upper body has gained perception after your injury? 00:56:04 - What were some of the highlights of the Tour Divide? 00:57:01 - Do you have any advice for someone who’s interested in doing a similar ride? 00:58:36 - Can you describe the community you’ve found among other people with disabilities? 00:59:56 - Do you have any good poop stories from the ride? 01:02:15 - Did you see any grizzly bears? 01:03:50 - Are there any states that are particularly accessible or particularly not? 01:04:44 - Tell us about the political advocacy work you do. 01:07:03 - Tell us about the advocacy work you’ve done for public lands. 01:09:00 - How have your personal relationships changed since your injury? 01:12:22 - Are there any other toys or gear items you’re excited to try? 01:13:28 - What safety measures do you take while rafting or kayaking? 01:15:15 - Were you ever interested in the Paralympics? 01:16:00 - What are some of your plans or goals for the next five to ten years? 01:17:37 - Where should people go to find you or support initiatives you’re working on? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda 60 PCT Hikers Evacuated from Trail As McKinney Fire Burns Near CA-OR Border by Kelly Floro Triple Crown of countries you’d live in if you were deported from the US Reasons We’ve Fired Mara Mail Bag 5 Star Review Listener Voicemail [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
8/22/20221 hour, 59 minutes, 53 seconds
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#162 | Arlette "Apple Pie" Laan: the First Woman to Hike All 11 National Scenic Trails

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Arlette "Apple Pie" Laan. Apple Pie is the first woman to hike all eleven of the National Scenic Trails in the United States, which frankly only scratches the surface on her hiking and backpacking career. We chat about some of her favorite stories from her tens of thousands of miles on trail, her favorite and least favorite of the National Scenic Trails, how she managed to become the backpacking legend that she is today despite not starting until she was 30 years old, and much more. Arlette doesn't hold back in her answers, we think you'll get a kick out of this chat. We wrap the show with a triple crown of talents most people don’t know that we possess, a story of how I ended up at the ER after the Golden Hiker Meetup, and Chaunce has COVID!   Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “backpacker” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Tanri: Use code “bpradio10” for 10% off at tanri.com. Interview with Arlette “Apple Pie” Laan Arlette's Instagram Arlette Laan Fiber Creations Instagram Arlette's Website Redline Guiding Website Time stamps & Questions 00:04:35 - QOTD: What’s the dumbest thing you’ve done this week? 00:12:18 - How was the Golden hiker meetup? 00:14:02 - Shoutout to the Blue Sky Fund! 00:15:03 - Introducing Arlette 00:15:48 - How did you get into long distance backpacking? 00:17:34 - How did you get your trail name? 00:19:04 - How many miles have you hiked? 00:20:14 - What trails have you done other than the National Scenic Trails? 00:20:51 - How did you experience backpacking in Europe after getting into it in the US? 00:24:22 - Is there any particular reason you left the Ice Age Trail for last? 00:27:47 - At what point did you realize you wanted to do all the National Scenic Trails? 00:31:38 - What were your 3 favorite and 3 least favorite trails? 00:34:14 - Give us your best sales pitch for the CDT. 00:38:00 - Discussion about changing navigation technology. 00:40:27 - How does homesickness play into your long trails? 00:46:53 - Discussion about the Florida Trail. 00:48:16 - Discussion about the Pacific Northwest Trail. 00:49:32 - Tell us why the AT isn’t at the top of your list. 00:51:21 - What are the best 3 states and worst 3 states in the US in your opinion? 00:57:58 - What do you do when there’s no good camping? 00:59:00 - Do you have any standout wildlife stories? 01:01:00 - Have you always been an adventure-seeker? 01:04:03 - Were you pushing your physical limits prior to thru-hiking? 01:08:56 - Now that you’ve done so many long trails, what do you wish you knew when you started? 01:10:24 - How do you think being a woman has impacted your backpacking? 01:12:49 - How have you been able to financially and logistically do all of these hikes? 01:15:18 - Tell us about doll making! 01:18:45 - Tell us more about the guiding you do. 01:21:56 - What words of inspiration do you have for someone reluctant to get into backpacking? 01:23:10 - What’s your most embarrassing hiking story? SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Arlette “Apple Pie” Laan on Becoming the First Woman to Hike All 11 National Scenic Trails by Alison Young [Book Review] Adventure Ready by Katie Gerber and Heather Anderson by Penina Satlow Triple Crown of talents most people don’t know you possess Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
8/15/20221 hour, 51 minutes, 48 seconds
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#161 | Diane "Sticks" Harsha: FBI Special Agent, AT Section Hiker, and Author

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Diane "Sticks" Harsha. Diane is an AT section hiker, the author of "Sticks and Stones: How to Hike the Appalachian Trail in 13 Years", and a retired FBI agent. We of course spend a lot of time talking about Diane's career in the bureau- including questions about the rigorous training and testing required to be accepted into the FBI, negotiation tactics that could be applied to convincing a spouse to let you leave for an extended backpacking trip, carrying a weapon on trail, and the overlap between working in the FBI and backpacking the AT at large. And yes of course we sneak in a couple of X-Files questions. We wrap the show with a triple crown of celebrities we'd most want to party with, a story about Chaunce farting her way through a work Zoom meeting, and Badger announces his next backpacking trip. Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Ned: Use code “backpacker” for 15% off at helloned.com/backpacker. Interview with Diane “Sticks” Harsha Diane's Facebook Diane's LinkedIn Sticks and Stones on Audible Sticks and Stones on Amazon Time stamps & Questions 00:02:55 - QOTD: What’s the most embarrassing moment you have from a virtual meeting? 00:15:42 - QOTD 2: What’s the thing you’re most excited about? 00:20:02 - Reminders: Shoutout to our new Chuck Norris members! 00:21:40 - Introducing Diane 00:22:27 - How did you get into the FBI? 00:25:12 - What was the fitness test you took? 00:26:47 - Is Chaunce fit enough to join the FBI? 00:31:00 - Discussion about age norms. 00:33:11 - Tell us more about FBI training. 00:37:55 - Discussion about the accuracy of polygraph tests. 00:39:42 - Were you on any wild cases you can tell us about? 00:44:40 - Do you feel like you were treated differently as a woman agent? 00:46:53 - Since it’s illegal to make false statements to federal agents, could we go to prison for lying to you? 00:48:34 - What negotiation skills would you recommend for convincing your partner to let you do a thru-hike? 00:51:03 - Tell us more about active listening. 00:53:40 - Did you ever use these communication strategies while hiking? 00:56:44 - What other skills crossed over between being an FBI agent and hiking? 00:59:07 - Did you experience fear before starting the trail? 01:00:30 - Did you hike with a gun? 01:03:10 - If you had to pick one state on the AT to carry your gun through, which would it be? 01:06:40 - Was your husband more worried about your career or about your hiking? 01:08:31 - What were your single most dangerous moments in the FBI and on the trail? 01:14:03 - What other things did you bring to trail from your career? 01:18:50 - Did the trail ever grant you any insights related to your work or a case? 01:21:24 - Is there an emotional lull after completing each case? 01:24:10 - Did you ever have a case that could have been an episode of X-Files? 01:25:30 - What are things that movies and shows always get wrong? 01:28:12 - What are the advantages to section hiking the AT over many years instead of all at once? 01:31:35 - Tell us about how you planned the sections. 01:38:14 - Give us your trail name origin story. 01:42:20 - When did you get the inspiration to write the book? 01:46:08 - What can a reader expect when they pick up the book? 01:48:50 - Where can people find the book? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda Desolation Wilderness Now Requires Bear-Resistant Food Storage by Kelly Floro Triple Crown of non-A or B-list celebrities you’d love to party with Listener Voicemail 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
8/8/20222 hours, 27 minutes, 42 seconds
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#160 | Beginner Backpacking Mistakes 2.0

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek we are bringing you another edition of Beginner Backpacking Mistakes. Today we're joined by our good pal and backpacking superstar, Steven “Twinkle” Shattuck, to give you a rundown of mistakes to avoid on your next backpacking trip.  If you listened to the first edition of this panel, rest assured that all of the tips in this episode are brand new- backed by many thousands of miles of trail experience- we made all the mistakes so you don't have to. We also have a triple crown of our favorite day hikes in Colorado, we learn about Twinkle and Grace's recent epic backpacking trip in Peru, and we wrap the show with a solid hazing of Chaunce. RTIC Outdoors: Use code “backpacker” for 10% off orders over $50 at rticoutdoors.com. Organifi: Use code “backpacker” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Ned: Use code “backpacker” for 15% off at helloned.com/backpacker. Tanri: Use code “bpradio10” for 10% off at tanri.com. Panel with Badger, Chaunce, and Twinkle Backpacker Radio 61 | Grace and Steven “Twinkle” Shattuck on Their 15 Month Dirtbagging Adventure Backpacker Radio Episode #6: Steven “Twinkle” Shattuck on Dirt-Bagging for a Year, The Best Headlamps for Thru-Hiking, and Curing Anxiety on Trail Twinkle's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:06:18 - QOTD: What have you been up to since we last talked? 00:11:27 - Discussion about Twinkle’s Huayllapa Circuit hike 00:21:14 - Twinkle’s Mistake #1: Relying on your phone too heavily for navigation 00:28:20 - Chaunce’s Mistake #1: Not including gear replacements or fixes into your trail budget 00:36:00 - Zach’s Mistake #1: Not eating enough food 00:43:50 - Twinkle’s Mistake #2: Splitting up with your group without making a detailed plan 00:57:08 - Chaunce’s Mistake #2: Just because your body feels like it can push on, doesn’t mean it should 01:02:32 - Zach’s Mistake #2: Be more selective with your campsites 01:15:02 - Twinkle’s Mistake #3: Do not buy excess footwear prior to your hike 01:25:00 - Nancy East fan club 01:28:13 - Chaunce’s Mistake #3: Not preparing for what happens after your hike 01:34:58 - Zach’s Mistake #3: Not budgeting enough extra time for your hike SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda 5 Backpacking Hacks I Learned from HikeTok by Katie Houston Triple Crown of our favorite Colorado day hikes [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac,  Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
8/1/20222 hours, 42 minutes, 18 seconds
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#159 | Shayla "Kiddo" Paradeis on Hiking Without a Smartphone and Healing from Trauma

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Shayla "Kiddo" Paradeis. Shayla is a very accomplished backpacker, with the triple crown just scratching the surface of her hiking resume, but it's her approach to backpacking that makes this conversation stand out. We chat about what it's like to backpack in today's age without a smartphone, including the differences of keeping in touch with hikers, navigating on trail, tracking the forecast, and more. Shayla also shares her experience of healing on trail, and how her experiences as a sexual assault survivor have played a major role in her desire to be in the backcountry. Another warning to listeners, if the subject of sexual assault is especially triggering to you, we encourage you to skip ahead about half way into today's interview. We wrap the show with the triple crown of reasons to go to a baseball game, we check in with MG as she's just hiked through the 100-Mile Wilderness, we discuss things that feel like a scam but aren't (but also sort of are), and give a shoutout to a couple who got engaged on the PCT this year! Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Ned: Use code “backpacker” for 15% off at helloned.com/backpacker. Interview with Shayla “Kiddo” Paradeis Shayla's Website Shayla's Youtube Channel Time stamps & Questions 00:02:52 - QOTD: What isn’t a scam but feels like one? 00:05:50 - Reminders: Leftover trail days shirts *were* in the Trek store! 00:06:38 - Introducing Shayla 00:07:23 - How does one decide to hike without a smartphone? 00:10:23 - What’s the rationale? 00:13:12 - Are you off of social media entirely? 00:15:10 - Do you ever listen to music? 00:17:24 - How have you noticed hikers change as you’ve hiked so many trails? 00:21:59 - Have you noticed a change in how you get through your day? 00:24:37 - How are you checking the weather forecast? 00:25:54 - Do you get frustrated being around other hikers who are always on their phones? 00:28:10 - Has any part of you lost faith in humanity? 00:29:57 - Discussion about navigation and getting lost without a phone. 00:33:52 - Tell us about your hiking group patterns for your long trails. 00:36:25 - What was your hitchhiking method? 00:37:07 - Did you ever get bothered by your hiking partners using their phones? 00:38:36 - If you could do it over again, would you hike alone? 00:40:17 - Do you have any tips for people wanting to set boundaries? 00:46:44 - Tell us about the Haute Route. 00:49:06 - Can you compare the Haute Route and the Tour du Mont Blanc? 00:51:02 - Are you also a runner? 00:52:30 - Why don’t you like racing as much anymore? 00:53:44 - Did you have a light pack in 2011? 00:54:41 - Tell us about eating better. 00:56:51 - How many calories did you consume on trail? 00:57:49 - Are you a competitive person? 01:01:11 - Tell us more about why you’re hiking. 01:04:57 - What happened that led you to run away to Glacier? 01:06:30 - Were your parents disappointed when you left New York? 01:08:02 - Did the trauma you experience relate to getting into backpacking? 01:09:42 - Have you found thru-hiking to be healing? 01:10:41 - (Begin trigger warning) How did your relationship on trail pan out? 01:12:33 - Did any part of you want to quit hiking after that? 01:15:10 - How did you feel safety-wise after that? 01:16:36 - Tell us more about your book. 01:18:47 - Can you give us a synopsis of what the book is about? 01:21:22 - (End trigger warning) Tell us about the volunteering you do in Glacier National Park. 01:25:50 - Tell us about grizzlies and wolves! 01:27:10 - Discussion about how wolves impact the ecosystem. 01:29:08 - Is there anything else you want to share? 01:29:48 - Thank you! SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda Meet the Thru-Hiking Couple Who Got Engaged on the PCT by Penina Satlow After 9,000 Miles of Thru-Hiking, These Are the 10 Items I Never Leave Home Without by Jenn Wall Triple Crown of reasons to go to a baseball game Pupdate Mara-Edition Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac, Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, and Mike Poisel. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
7/25/20221 hour, 58 minutes, 57 seconds
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#158 | Kathryn Miles on Attempting to Solve the Shenandoah Murders

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by RTIC, we are joined by Kathryn Miles. Kathryn is an award-winning journalist, science writer, and the author of five books, most recently "Trailed: One Woman's Quest to Solve the Shenandoah Murders", which is the focus of today's chat.  We go deep on everything to do with this case, including the gruesome details of the murders, why this was not a random act of violence, why this case has yet to be solved, who Kathryn believes to be the perpetrator, and much more. A warning to listeners, this one goes into some pretty horrific details on the subjects of sexual assault and murder. If either of these subjects are especially triggering to you, we encourage you to skip ahead to the segments for this one.  We then pivot from rape and murder to the triple crown of ice cream toppings.  Typical backpacker radio stuff. RTIC Outdoors: Use code “backpacker” for 10% off your order of $50 or more at rticoutdoors.com Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. [divider] Interview with Kathryn Miles Kathryn Miles Website Kathryn’s Instagram Buy Trailed: One Woman's Quest to Solve the Shenandoah Murders or at your local bookstore Time stamps & Questions 00:05:23 - QOTD: How was your day today?  00:11:37 - Introducing Kathryn Miles  00:12:12 - What’s your hiking background?  00:12:53 - Anything else you want to add about the hiker designations?  00:13:52 - Can you tell us about your journalism career?  00:15:23 - Did you always know ‘Trailed: One Woman's Quest to Solve the Shenandoah Murders’ was going to become a book?  00:17:01 - Can you give an overview of the case? 00:19:11 - What were the challenges with writing this?  00:21:36 - Do you eventually develop thicker skin towards these stories?  00:22:45 - Going into this project, were you afraid of the side effects others experienced after digging into similar stories?  00:24:08 - Did you have a background or past interest in true crime?  00:25:44 - When you’re researching something like this, where do you start?  00:27:40 - How do you focus on the killer when you don’t know the killer?  00:29:44 - Amateur sleuthing  00:30:32 - Do you worry about bringing a new potential killer into the story?  00:32:45 - Did you lose your love for the outdoors and hiking after writing the book?  00:35:12 - Did you end up viewing the photos? 00:36:40 - Could you share some more details around this being a premeditated murder?  00:39:58 - What will readers learn through the book that they wouldn’t through the police reports? 00:42:01 - What were some of the most interesting things you found in the reports?  00:47:37 - Can you speak to the general safety of the trails?  00:50:37 - Do you think there’s anything nefarious with that?  00:53:15 - Are park rangers part of a union?  00:54:01 - Tell us more about the culture clash in the involved parties  00:55:59 - Were there any thru-hiking suspects?  00:56:48 - Did you ever find out why he had a bloody knife?  00:58:18 - Can you tell us more about the second character?  01:00:24 - What were the similarities between the two murders?  01:01:01 - Was there a purpose to wrapping a body in a sleeping bag?  01:02:53 - How do they determine who’s vibrator it was?  01:03:52 - What did he do to modify it?  01:05:54 - Is there any scenario in which the murderer wants to be caught?  01:08:59 - What’s your personal opinion on who the killer is?  01:10:10 - What is Darrell Rice doing these days?  01:11:11 - Did you try to reach out to Darrell Rice?  01:12:12 - Is he still missing?  01:13:30 - What convinced them it was Darrell Rice?  01:16:28 - What do you think it will take for the FBI to pick up this case again?  01:16:53 - Where should phone calls and letters be sent?  01:17:39 - What are the odds that the person who did it, isn’t either of the two focused on in the book?  01:18:45 - How do you see the Shenandoah murders fitting into a culture of misogyny?  01:20:34 - Could you tell us more about your research into women being excluded from the outdoors?  01:22:18 - How do you instill confidence into those still out hiking near the Shenandoah?  01:24:26 - How was it hiking the AT during that time?  01:25:14 - How did it change the vibe of the trail?  01:26:49 - Do you think it would have impacted the outcome if the women were in a more public camping area?  01:28:21 - Are there other documented crimes specifically against non-binary hikers on trail?  01:30:22 - Is there any research on non-binary hiker crimes?  01:32:01 - Where should people get your book?  01:32:30 - Any projects in the pipeline we should know about?  01:33:37 - Wrap Up  SEGMENTS Surprise Mail  Audience Mail Bag  Trek Propaganda  [Book Review] Trailed: One Woman’s Quest to Solve the Shenandoah Murders by Penina Satlow  Triple Crown Q&A Segment  [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac, Tracy “Trigger” Fawns, and Mike Poisel. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
7/18/20222 hours, 8 minutes, 10 seconds
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#157 | Tahoe Rim Trail: Badger Recaps Trail Highlights, Logistics, Chafes, and Gear Advice

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek we are joined by no one! Today's episode is all about the Tahoe Rim Trail and Badger's recent experience thru-hiking this trail. This one covers everything you'd want to know about hiking the TRT, including the trail's basics, my experience and advice for resupply, gear, pacing, permits, bear storage, the best time to hike this trail, bugs, dealing with snow, navigation, funny stories, cell service, worst chafes, best poops, and much more. We wrap the show with a very weird and impromptu segment- healing your holes with Badger and Chaunce, we touch on the sad news of a hiker who recently passed in the White Mountain National Forest, we get a ridiculous poop story from our pal Paul Packman Sealy, and Backpacker Radio sponsorship winner MG gives us her first update from the AT! Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “backpacker” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com. Point6: Use code “point6trek” for 30% off at point6.com. [divider] Interview with Zach “Badger” Davis Badger's Tahoe Rim Trail Gear List Time stamps & Questions 00:04:42 - QOTD: Would you rather have an elephant’s nose or a giraffe’s neck? 00:08:20 - Introducing Zach! 00:09:05 - What is the TRT? 00:10:52 - Which direction did you hike? 00:11:57 - Tell us about the elevation and miles per day. 00:14:40 - Did you need a bear canister? 00:18:25 - Tell us about the permits required. 00:21:21 - How many people did you see each day? 00:22:30 - Did anyone ask if you hiked the AT? 00:24:25 - How was the water situation? 00:26:13 - Was it exposed or under treeline? 00:27:15 - How was the snow situation? 00:33:40 - What is the best time of year to hike the TRT? 00:35:49 - Tell us about day 1. 00:39:28 - Did you make any friends? 00:39:47 - Discussion about Zach’s Ursack. 00:43:30 - Tell us about day 2 (chafing). 00:47:40 - Discussion about Zach wearing a kilt on the AT (disclaimer: disturbing visuals). 00:51:29 - Tell us about day 3 (weather, gear). 00:58:25 - Tell us about day 4 (burn area, ubering, town day). 01:05:47 - Tell us about day 5 (Desolation Wilderness, hiking with friends vs. alone). 01:12:30 - Tell us about day 6 (Tahoe City). 01:15:57 - Any other notable food things? 01:19:27 - Did you have vitamins and supplements? 01:23:04 - Discussion about weight and muscle. 01:26:55 - Tell us about day 7 (snow, cold). 01:30:22 - How did you get to the trail? 01:32:55 - Where does it rank among other shorter thru-hikes you’ve done? 01:34:04 - Would you recommend the TRT to first-time long distance hikers? 01:35:24 - How was this experience different now that you’re a father?  01:36:54 - Is it worth traveling across the country as someone from the East Coast? 01:37:47 - Anything you would have done differently? 01:38:41 - How long was your longest food carry? 01:39:35 - Did you have any knee pain and if so, how did you alleviate it? 01:39:52 - Did you have any trouble navigating? 01:41:00 - Any poop stories? 01:44:28 - What’s the next hike for a now-dad? SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda Badger's Tahoe Rim Trail Gear List Hiker Rescued from Presidential Traverse on Saturday Has Died by Kelly Floro Paul’s Poop Story 5 Star Review Healing Your Hole with Zach and Chaunce [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
7/11/20222 hours, 14 minutes, 41 seconds
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#156 | The Virtual Sherpa on Peak Bagging 13ers and 14ers, Responsibly Promoting Trails, and Video Guiding

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by RTIC, we are joined by Mickey aka The Virtual Sherpa. The Virtual Sherpa runs a successful website and youtube channel dedicated to sharing tips, trail overviews, and more from some of his favorite trails around Colorado and the greater Southwest. We chat about what some of the most underrated 13,000 ft peaks are in Colorado, and why they might be even better than many of the state's 14ers, some of his favorite hikes without hoards of people, his philosophy on gatekeeping and responsibly promoting trails, and much more. We wrap the show with a backpacking trip in Zion National Park that deserves to be on your bucket list, a Q&A touching on a range of subjects including but not limited to good hiking spots for late fall, what life is like with a budding toddler, the scent of tent sex, and more. RTIC Outdoors: Use code “backpacker” for 10% off orders over $50 at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “backpacker” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Point6: Use code “point6trek” for 30% off at point6.com. [divider] Interview with Mickey aka “Virtual Sherpa” The Virtual Sherpa Website The Virtual Sherpa Youtube Channel The Virtual Sherpa Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:40 - QOTD: At what age do people start consuming more Tums than Starbursts? 00:09:19 - Introducing Mickey aka “Virtual Sherpa” 00:09:37 - Mickey’s Shit Story 00:12:42 - Tell us your backpacking and peak bagging resume. 00:14:30 - Discussion about trail and ultrarunning. 00:15:33 - What’s harder, training for an Ironman or training for a 100-mile run? 00:19:29 - How fast are you? 00:20:55 - Give us some background on how the website started.  00:22:39 - Tell us about your preference with 14ers versus 13ers. 00:24:32 - Tell us why you loved living in Chicago if you hate people. 00:26:20 - Tell us about the 13er you did over Memorial Day? 00:27:15 - Fuck Mary Kill: peak bagging, CT section hikes/backpacking, trail running 00:28:40 - Tell us about the evolution of the website and Youtube channel. 00:31:32 - How do you feel about the conflict between exposing trails via the internet and avoiding people while hiking? 00:34:23 - Why does someone need to work hard to find a spot? 00:35:50 - Discussion about keeping spots secret, public land, and gatekeeping. 00:41:22 - How would you describe your audience and what are the most common questions you get? 00:44:10 - What are your top 3 favorite 14ers and top 3 least favorite 14ers? 00:46:58 - What are your favorite and least favorite 13ers? 00:48:35 - What are your top 3 secret spots? 00:51:20 - Discussion about fear and anxiety about the mountains. 00:53:19 - Do you have a preference between the blog or the Youtube channel? 00:55:52 - Have you asked your friend why there’s a story before every recipe? 00:57:21 - What is a border-crossing expedition? 00:58:43 - Do you have any highlights from exploring Utah? 01:02:23 - Discussion about National Parks, crowds, and timing hikes. 01:07:34 - Discussion about Canyonlands. 01:09:13 - What are your big 3 for a typical backpacking trip? 01:12:22 - What’s your typical camera setup? 01:14:40 - Tell us about your dog, taking your dog on adventures, and tips for hiking with dogs. 01:20:34 - Anything else do you want to share? 01:22:14 - Thank you! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda The Zion Traverse: Hiking Off the Beaten Path in Utah’s Most Popular National Park by Katie Kommer Q&A 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
7/4/20221 hour, 47 minutes, 3 seconds
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#155 | Pony Re-Returns to Chat About Sex on Trail, Section Hiking the CDT, and His PCT Thru-Hiking Memoir

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by RTIC, we are joined yet again by our pal, Clay Bonnyman Evans, known on trail as "Pony". Pony is fresh off the New Mexico stretch of the CDT and full of hot takes, including a renewed interest in all things dealing with sex on trail, why he thinks the "brutality" of the CDT is overstated- at least through New Mexico, we learn all about Clay's new book, "Adrift on the Pacific Crest Trail: A Thru-Hiking Story", and why Pony decided to do his first long distance backpacking trip sober. For those who've listened to previous interviews with Pony, you already know that conversations with him are a wild ride, this one is certainly no exception. If your children are listening to this episode, probably turn it off. We wrap the show with a detailing of the dumpster fire that is Chaunce's toilet and we do a triple crown of reasons why Zach's Tahoe Rim Trail hike will get canceled. RTIC Outdoors: Use code “backpacker” for 10% off orders over $50 at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com.  Point6: Use code “point6trek” for 30% off at point6.com. [divider] Interview with Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA “Pony” Pony's Book Pony's Instagram Pony's Website  Time stamps & Questions 00:04:53 - QOTD: How’s your toilet? 00:14:41 - Introducing Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA “Pony” 00:15:40 - Discussion about sex on trail. 00:19:40 - Do you think the ratio of males and females on trail is a factor? 00:22:14 - What’s a wild story you got asking people about sex on trail? 00:32:04 - Tell us about the New Mexico section of the CDT. 00:38:45 - Discussion about water sources in New Mexico. 00:39:21 - Discussion about trail marking in New Mexico. 00:41:32 - Discussion about trail towns in New Mexico. 00:43:02 - Odd encounter stories. 00:46:45 - What wildlife did you see? 00:49:48 - Discussion about the community of the CDT. 00:52:20 - Discussion about the relative brutality of the CDT. 00:53:35 - Tell us your thoughts on snow in Colorado. 01:01:11 - Do you think people wanted to push through because of forest closures? 01:03:25 - Discussion about CDT start dates and southbounding. 01:11:15 - Discussion about the Creede cutoff. 01:18:46 - Tell us about your book writing process. 01:24:47 - Discussion about including relationship content in the book. 01:27:16 - How did you write the book so quickly? 01:32:02 - Hype for Zach’s books. 01:33:34 - What shoes do you have? 01:36:38 - Discussion about post trail activity and food. 01:37:30 - Discussion about hiking sober and Pony’s twelve step program experience. 01:43:18 - Discussion about Pony’s social personality. 01:45:56 - Did you miss drinking more or less than you expected? 01:47:18 - Pony’s story about Garmin troubles. 01:53:05 - What Pony learned from the Garmin representative. 02:00:06 - Have you used the Somewhere Labs communicator? 02:02:40 - Discussion about dead cows. 02:06:08 - Discussion about living cows and angry bull sounds. 02:10:15 - Discussion about the popularity of the CDT. 02:14:50 - Discussion about Chaunce’s age. 02:18:11 - Thanks! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Join our team! Triple Crown of reasons Zach’s Tahoe Rim Trail trip could get canceled 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
6/27/20222 hours, 42 minutes, 52 seconds
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#155 | Pony Re-Returns to Chat About Sex on Trail, Section Hiking the CDT, and His PCT Thru-Hiking Memoir

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by RTIC, we are joined yet again by our pal, Clay Bonnyman Evans, known on trail as "Pony". Pony is fresh off the New Mexico stretch of the CDT and full of hot takes, including a renewed interest in all things dealing with sex on trail, why he thinks the "brutality" of the CDT is overstated- at least through New Mexico, we learn all about Clay's new book, "Adrift on the Pacific Crest Trail: A Thru-Hiking Story", and why Pony decided to do his first long distance backpacking trip sober. For those who've listened to previous interviews with Pony, you already know that conversations with him are a wild ride, this one is certainly no exception. If your children are listening to this episode, probably turn it off. We wrap the show with a detailing of the dumpster fire that is Chaunce's toilet and we do a triple crown of reasons why Zach's Tahoe Rim Trail hike will get canceled. RTIC Outdoors: Use code “backpacker” for 10% off orders over $50 at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com.  Point6: Use code “point6trek” for 30% off at point6.com. [divider] Interview with Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA “Pony” Pony's Book Pony's Instagram Pony's Website  Time stamps & Questions 00:04:53 - QOTD: How’s your toilet? 00:14:41 - Introducing Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA “Pony” 00:15:40 - Discussion about sex on trail. 00:19:40 - Do you think the ratio of males and females on trail is a factor? 00:22:14 - What’s a wild story you got asking people about sex on trail? 00:32:04 - Tell us about the New Mexico section of the CDT. 00:38:45 - Discussion about water sources in New Mexico. 00:39:21 - Discussion about trail marking in New Mexico. 00:41:32 - Discussion about trail towns in New Mexico. 00:43:02 - Odd encounter stories. 00:46:45 - What wildlife did you see? 00:49:48 - Discussion about the community of the CDT. 00:52:20 - Discussion about the relative brutality of the CDT. 00:53:35 - Tell us your thoughts on snow in Colorado. 01:01:11 - Do you think people wanted to push through because of forest closures? 01:03:25 - Discussion about CDT start dates and southbounding. 01:11:15 - Discussion about the Creede cutoff. 01:18:46 - Tell us about your book writing process. 01:24:47 - Discussion about including relationship content in the book. 01:27:16 - How did you write the book so quickly? 01:32:02 - Hype for Zach’s books. 01:33:34 - What shoes do you have? 01:36:38 - Discussion about post trail activity and food. 01:37:30 - Discussion about hiking sober and Pony’s twelve step program experience. 01:43:18 - Discussion about Pony’s social personality. 01:45:56 - Did you miss drinking more or less than you expected? 01:47:18 - Pony’s story about Garmin troubles. 01:53:05 - What Pony learned from the Garmin representative. 02:00:06 - Have you used the Somewhere Labs communicator? 02:02:40 - Discussion about dead cows. 02:06:08 - Discussion about living cows and angry bull sounds. 02:10:15 - Discussion about the popularity of the CDT. 02:14:50 - Discussion about Chaunce’s age. 02:18:11 - Thanks! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Join our team! Triple Crown of reasons Zach’s Tahoe Rim Trail trip could get canceled 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
6/27/20220
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#155 | Pony Re-Returns to Chat About Sex on Trail, Section Hiking the CDT, and His PCT Thru-Hiking Memoir

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by RTIC, we are joined yet again by our pal, Clay Bonnyman Evans, known on trail as "Pony". Pony is fresh off the New Mexico stretch of the CDT and full of hot takes, including a renewed interest in all things dealing with sex on trail, why he thinks the "brutality" of the CDT is overstated- at least through New Mexico, we learn all about Clay's new book, "Adrift on the Pacific Crest Trail: A Thru-Hiking Story", and why Pony decided to do his first long distance backpacking trip sober. For those who've listened to previous interviews with Pony, you already know that conversations with him are a wild ride, this one is certainly no exception. If your children are listening to this episode, probably turn it off. We wrap the show with a detailing of the dumpster fire that is Chaunce's toilet and we do a triple crown of reasons why Zach's Tahoe Rim Trail hike will get canceled. RTIC Outdoors: Use code “backpacker” for 10% off orders over $50 at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com.  Point6: Use code “point6trek” for 30% off at point6.com. [divider] Interview with Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA “Pony” Pony's Book Pony's Instagram Pony's Website  Time stamps & Questions 00:04:53 - QOTD: How’s your toilet? 00:14:41 - Introducing Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA “Pony” 00:15:40 - Discussion about sex on trail. 00:19:40 - Do you think the ratio of males and females on trail is a factor? 00:22:14 - What’s a wild story you got asking people about sex on trail? 00:32:04 - Tell us about the New Mexico section of the CDT. 00:38:45 - Discussion about water sources in New Mexico. 00:39:21 - Discussion about trail marking in New Mexico. 00:41:32 - Discussion about trail towns in New Mexico. 00:43:02 - Odd encounter stories. 00:46:45 - What wildlife did you see? 00:49:48 - Discussion about the community of the CDT. 00:52:20 - Discussion about the relative brutality of the CDT. 00:53:35 - Tell us your thoughts on snow in Colorado. 01:01:11 - Do you think people wanted to push through because of forest closures? 01:03:25 - Discussion about CDT start dates and southbounding. 01:11:15 - Discussion about the Creede cutoff. 01:18:46 - Tell us about your book writing process. 01:24:47 - Discussion about including relationship content in the book. 01:27:16 - How did you write the book so quickly? 01:32:02 - Hype for Zach’s books. 01:33:34 - What shoes do you have? 01:36:38 - Discussion about post trail activity and food. 01:37:30 - Discussion about hiking sober and Pony’s twelve step program experience. 01:43:18 - Discussion about Pony’s social personality. 01:45:56 - Did you miss drinking more or less than you expected? 01:47:18 - Pony’s story about Garmin troubles. 01:53:05 - What Pony learned from the Garmin representative. 02:00:06 - Have you used the Somewhere Labs communicator? 02:02:40 - Discussion about dead cows. 02:06:08 - Discussion about living cows and angry bull sounds. 02:10:15 - Discussion about the popularity of the CDT. 02:14:50 - Discussion about Chaunce’s age. 02:18:11 - Thanks! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Join our team! Triple Crown of reasons Zach’s Tahoe Rim Trail trip could get canceled 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
6/27/20220
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#155 | Pony Re-Returns to Chat About Sex on Trail, Section Hiking the CDT, and His PCT Thru-Hiking Memoir

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by RTIC, we are joined yet again by our pal, Clay Bonnyman Evans, known on trail as "Pony". Pony is fresh off the New Mexico stretch of the CDT and full of hot takes, including a renewed interest in all things dealing with sex on trail, why he thinks the "brutality" of the CDT is overstated- at least through New Mexico, we learn all about Clay's new book, "Adrift on the Pacific Crest Trail: A Thru-Hiking Story", and why Pony decided to do his first long distance backpacking trip sober. For those who've listened to previous interviews with Pony, you already know that conversations with him are a wild ride, this one is certainly no exception. If your children are listening to this episode, probably turn it off. We wrap the show with a detailing of the dumpster fire that is Chaunce's toilet and we do a triple crown of reasons why Zach's Tahoe Rim Trail hike will get canceled. RTIC Outdoors: Use code “backpacker” for 10% off orders over $50 at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com.  Point6: Use code “point6trek” for 30% off at point6.com. [divider] Interview with Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA “Pony” Pony's Book Pony's Instagram Pony's Website  Time stamps & Questions 00:04:53 - QOTD: How’s your toilet? 00:14:41 - Introducing Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA “Pony” 00:15:40 - Discussion about sex on trail. 00:19:40 - Do you think the ratio of males and females on trail is a factor? 00:22:14 - What’s a wild story you got asking people about sex on trail? 00:32:04 - Tell us about the New Mexico section of the CDT. 00:38:45 - Discussion about water sources in New Mexico. 00:39:21 - Discussion about trail marking in New Mexico. 00:41:32 - Discussion about trail towns in New Mexico. 00:43:02 - Odd encounter stories. 00:46:45 - What wildlife did you see? 00:49:48 - Discussion about the community of the CDT. 00:52:20 - Discussion about the relative brutality of the CDT. 00:53:35 - Tell us your thoughts on snow in Colorado. 01:01:11 - Do you think people wanted to push through because of forest closures? 01:03:25 - Discussion about CDT start dates and southbounding. 01:11:15 - Discussion about the Creede cutoff. 01:18:46 - Tell us about your book writing process. 01:24:47 - Discussion about including relationship content in the book. 01:27:16 - How did you write the book so quickly? 01:32:02 - Hype for Zach’s books. 01:33:34 - What shoes do you have? 01:36:38 - Discussion about post trail activity and food. 01:37:30 - Discussion about hiking sober and Pony’s twelve step program experience. 01:43:18 - Discussion about Pony’s social personality. 01:45:56 - Did you miss drinking more or less than you expected? 01:47:18 - Pony’s story about Garmin troubles. 01:53:05 - What Pony learned from the Garmin representative. 02:00:06 - Have you used the Somewhere Labs communicator? 02:02:40 - Discussion about dead cows. 02:06:08 - Discussion about living cows and angry bull sounds. 02:10:15 - Discussion about the popularity of the CDT. 02:14:50 - Discussion about Chaunce’s age. 02:18:11 - Thanks! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Join our team! Triple Crown of reasons Zach’s Tahoe Rim Trail trip could get canceled 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
6/27/20220
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#155 | Pony Re-Returns to Chat About Sex on Trail, Section Hiking the CDT, and His PCT Thru-Hiking Memoir

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by RTIC, we are joined yet again by our pal, Clay Bonnyman Evans, known on trail as "Pony". Pony is fresh off the New Mexico stretch of the CDT and full of hot takes, including a renewed interest in all things dealing with sex on trail, why he thinks the "brutality" of the CDT is overstated- at least through New Mexico, we learn all about Clay's new book, "Adrift on the Pacific Crest Trail: A Thru-Hiking Story", and why Pony decided to do his first long distance backpacking trip sober. For those who've listened to previous interviews with Pony, you already know that conversations with him are a wild ride, this one is certainly no exception. If your children are listening to this episode, probably turn it off. We wrap the show with a detailing of the dumpster fire that is Chaunce's toilet and we do a triple crown of reasons why Zach's Tahoe Rim Trail hike will get canceled. RTIC Outdoors: Use code “backpacker” for 10% off orders over $50 at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com.  Point6: Use code “point6trek” for 30% off at point6.com. [divider] Interview with Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA “Pony” Pony's Book Pony's Instagram Pony's Website  Time stamps & Questions 00:04:53 - QOTD: How’s your toilet? 00:14:41 - Introducing Clay Bonnyman Evans AKA “Pony” 00:15:40 - Discussion about sex on trail. 00:19:40 - Do you think the ratio of males and females on trail is a factor? 00:22:14 - What’s a wild story you got asking people about sex on trail? 00:32:04 - Tell us about the New Mexico section of the CDT. 00:38:45 - Discussion about water sources in New Mexico. 00:39:21 - Discussion about trail marking in New Mexico. 00:41:32 - Discussion about trail towns in New Mexico. 00:43:02 - Odd encounter stories. 00:46:45 - What wildlife did you see? 00:49:48 - Discussion about the community of the CDT. 00:52:20 - Discussion about the relative brutality of the CDT. 00:53:35 - Tell us your thoughts on snow in Colorado. 01:01:11 - Do you think people wanted to push through because of forest closures? 01:03:25 - Discussion about CDT start dates and southbounding. 01:11:15 - Discussion about the Creede cutoff. 01:18:46 - Tell us about your book writing process. 01:24:47 - Discussion about including relationship content in the book. 01:27:16 - How did you write the book so quickly? 01:32:02 - Hype for Zach’s books. 01:33:34 - What shoes do you have? 01:36:38 - Discussion about post trail activity and food. 01:37:30 - Discussion about hiking sober and Pony’s twelve step program experience. 01:43:18 - Discussion about Pony’s social personality. 01:45:56 - Did you miss drinking more or less than you expected? 01:47:18 - Pony’s story about Garmin troubles. 01:53:05 - What Pony learned from the Garmin representative. 02:00:06 - Have you used the Somewhere Labs communicator? 02:02:40 - Discussion about dead cows. 02:06:08 - Discussion about living cows and angry bull sounds. 02:10:15 - Discussion about the popularity of the CDT. 02:14:50 - Discussion about Chaunce’s age. 02:18:11 - Thanks! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Join our team! Triple Crown of reasons Zach’s Tahoe Rim Trail trip could get canceled 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
6/27/20220
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#154 | Backpacking Nutrition: How to Eat Intelligently, Avoiding Post-Trail Weight Gain, Hydration and Supplement Advice

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to by RTIC, we are joined by Lauren Capone.  In addition to being an accomplished triathlete and runner herself, Lauren holds a Master of Science in Applied Nutrition and works as a Functional and Integrative Health Practitioner at Flatirons Integrative Health & Nutrition in Boulder, CO.  Our conversation covers a ton of ground on all things nutrition and health for backpacking and beyond, including why people end up gaining the weight they lose on a backpacking trip so quickly post-trail (and what can be done to prevent that), the metabolic effects of long distance endurance exercise, how to know if you're getting the right amount of calories during your hike, her thoughts on eating keto, vegan, or paleo on trail, what supplements a backpacker should consider using, how to stay properly hydrated on trail, and much more.  Simply put, you will walk away from this interview with a ton of useful information.  Get the notepad ready. RTIC Outdoors: Use code “backpacker” for 10% off orders over $50 at rticoutdoors.com. Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “backpacker” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “thetrek10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com.  [divider] Interview with Lauren Capone Flatirons Integrative Health and Nutrition Lauren's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:05:14 - Introducing Lauren 00:06:13 - How did you get into endurance sports? 00:08:16 - Tell us about the Ironman. 00:10:53 - At what point did you do your first full Ironman? 00:13:24 - What are the qualifying metrics for the Kona Ironman? 00:15:00 - Tell us the highlights and stats from your Kona race. 00:17:59 - Did you mentally prepare in addition to physically prepare? 00:19:22 - Tell us more about the trail running you do now. 00:20:22 - Tell us your educational background as it relates to nutrition. 00:22:38 - How should someone think about food before a half-year backpacking trip? 00:24:27 - What should people think about in terms of macronutrients or overall calorie intake? 00:26:20 - Do you think there's an advantage to starting a trail with a little extra body weight? 00:27:43 - What should people think about caloric intake during the trail?  00:29:45 - Is there anything magical about eating every hour? 00:31:00 - Do you have a rule of thumb for daily caloric intake? 00:32:18 - How does someone figure out their BMR? 00:35:40 - What characteristics should someone look for to know if they’re getting enough energy on trail? 00:41:19 - Would you advise against intermittent fasting while hiking a long trail? 00:43:24 - Tell us about macronutrients as they relate to backpacking. 00:46:40 - Do you have a rough starting spot for planning macronutrients? 00:47:39 - Should people rely on their cravings as a guide or be more targeted? 00:50:20 - Discussion about protein sources and intake on trail. 00:54:41 - Are there symptoms of someone getting sufficient carbs but insufficient protein? 00:55:56 - Do you have thoughts on diets like keto, paleo, vegetarian, or vegan? 01:00:16 - How should people think about weight loss on trail? 01:04:10 - Should someone aim for a surplus of calories while eating in town? 01:09:19 - What happens physiologically when you’re in a chronic calorie deficit? 01:12:35 - Why do females commonly lose their cycles when doing endurance sports? 01:14:32 - What would other symptoms of caloric deficit look like for males? 01:17:14 - Is there a rough guide for someone trying to monitor their weight? 01:18:07 - Why do you think people often put back on weight they lost while hiking? 01:22:57 - What are your thoughts on prioritizing strength training after a thru-hike? 01:26:05 - Do you work with athletes with eating disorders? 01:30:23 - Discussion about weight maintenance after a thru-hike. 01:31:52 - Do you have a rough guide to staying hydrated on trail? 01:34:35 - Discussion about adding salt to water. 01:36:56 - Do you think that electrolyte testing makes sense? 01:39:03 - Discussion about hyponatremia and ways to avoid it. 01:43:04 - What are the most common hydration mistakes made by endurance athletes? 01:44:02 - Do you recommend omega-3 supplements? 01:45:52 - What are your thoughts on CBD? 01:46:29 - What else do you recommend related to anti-inflammatory supplements? 01:48:30 - Thoughts on the chronic use of ibuprofen? 01:49:48 - Thoughts on protein supplements? 01:51:10 - Thoughts on a general multivitamin? 01:52:50 - Thoughts on sleep aids or recommended sleep supplements? 01:55:12 - Do you have thoughts on higher doses of magnesium? 01:56:26 - Do you have thoughts on dehydrated green juice? 01:57:57 - Discussion about nutrient and hormone testing. 02:02:20 - How can people work with you or Flatirons Integrative? 02:03:04 - Thank you! SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda Appalachian Trail Shelter in NJ Temporarily Closed After Bear Tried to Enter Tent by Kelly Floro [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
6/20/20222 hours, 10 minutes, 28 seconds
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#153 | AT Trail Days 2022: Thru-Hiker Interviews Part 2

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by goodr, we are joined by more AT Hiker Trash!  This is volume II of our thru-hiker interviews from AT Trail Days 2022.  This one concludes with a trail name origin story that is borderline too insane to believe. We wrap the show with some very sad news of a hiker's tragic fall from McAfee Knob, a Triple Crown of Passive Aggressive Statements Used in Work Emails, and how Badger's TRT plans almost fell through once again, as per tradition. Goodr: Use code “backpacker15” for 15% off at goodr.com/backpacker15. Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Enlightened Equipment: Use code “thetrek10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com.  Point6: Use code “point6trek” for 30% off point6.com. [divider] Interview with more current AT hikers! Time stamps & Questions 00:04:17 - QOTD: What was the highlight from your Memorial Day weekend? 00:11:10 - Interview with Take Three 00:19:29 - Interview with Ibex 00:25:32 - Interview with Nomad 00:33:10 - Interview with Turtle 00:38:09 - Interview with Pink and Flash 00:48:04 - Interview with Sweets 00:57:26 - Interview with Stove Top 01:05:55 - Interview with Dipper 01:14:47 - Interview with Fifty Cal 01:25:37 - Interview with Boston 01:31:52 - Interview with Smash SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda AT Hiker Who Fell from McAfee Knob Has Died, Authorities Confirm by Kelly Floro Triple Crown of passive aggressive statements used in work emails Mail Bag [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
6/13/20222 hours, 2 minutes, 8 seconds
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#152 | Nancy East on her Smokies Map FKT, Search and Rescue, and New Book "Chasing the Smokies Moon"

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by goodr, we are joined by peakbagger, author, search and rescuer, and all around awesome human, Nancy East.  We go through Nancy's impressive list of thru-hikes, how she manages all the backpacking with a family who only sometimes joins her, we chat in depth about her search and rescue experiences and what advice all hikers can glean from the perspective of someone trying to rescue you, and we learn all about Nancy's book "Chasing the Smokies Moon: An audacious 938-mile hike fueled by love, loss, laughter, and lunacy". As recent guest Caet Cash put it, Nancy East is a beast. On the trail, this is 100% true.  In talking with Nancy, the opposite is the case- Nancy is one of the nicest people you'll ever encounter and we had a great time chatting with her. We wrap the show with some more highlights from Trail Days, the triple crown of board games, and that the first and biggest magazine for Backpackers is significantly scaling back its operations.  Goodr: Use code “backpacker15” for 15% off at goodr.com/backpacker15. Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “backpacker” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. [divider] Interview with Nancy East Nancy's Website Nancy's Book Nancy's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:38 - QOTD: What was your personal highlight on the last day of Trail Days? 00:16:02 - Introducing Nancy 00:16:43 - What’s the origin story of your trail name? 00:18:55 - Was that event particularly stressful since you had your kids with you? 00:19:32 - How does Chaunce know Nancy? 00:20:22 - At what point did you learn of Nancy’s legendary status? 00:21:54 - Tell us your trail resume. 00:23:56 - What advice do you have for someone who’s looking to hike the Tahoe Rim Trail? 00:26:40 - Tell us about the Bartram Trail. 00:28:37 - Tell us about the Tour de LeConte. 00:29:38 - Do you leave your pack at the top or carry it the whole time? 00:30:51 - Tell us about setting the FKT on the Tour de LeConte. 00:31:54 - Is there a strategy to which trails you go up and which trails you go down? 00:34:05 - Bloody Mary check-in. 00:35:07 - Tell us about the Foothills Trail. 00:37:10 - How old were your kids when they hiked with you and how did they like the trail? 00:39:30 - Tell us about the Four Pass Loop. 00:42:14 - Tell us about the West Highland Way. 00:44:20 - Tell us about your blog.  00:45:36 - Tell us about the Tour du Mont Blanc. 00:48:10 - Tell us about the Trans Catalina Trail. 00:53:10 - Tell us about the Wonderland Trail. 00:54:39 - Tell us about the Timberline Trail. 00:56:05 - Tell us about the Palmetto Trail. 00:59:31 - Tell us a synopsis of your new book. 01:06:35 - Tell us more about how you got into search and rescue and lost person behavior. 01:10:08 - What are some of the most memorable rescues you’ve done? 01:14:14 - What are the most common traits of lost person behavior? 01:16:30 - Do you have strong thoughts about Gerry Largay? 01:18:40 - Give us some of the highlights and lowlights of your Smokies map hike. 01:23:04 - Did you know before the hike that you would write a book about it? 01:25:49 - How did you plan the hike? 01:28:18 - What food do you pick to bring to a lost person? 01:30:13 - Has anyone flirted with you during a rescue? 01:31:02 - What’s the strategy for making kids love backpacking? 01:35:32 - What are the essential skills you’ve ensured your kids know? 01:37:30 - Are they proficient with navigation? 01:38:42 - Where can people find you? 01:39:16 - What adventures do you have coming up? 01:39:54 - Where can people find the book? 01:40:38 - Thank you! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Outside Ends Monthly Print Runs of Backpacker Magazine Amid Layoffs by Kelly Floro Triple Crown of board games Mail Bag 5 Star Review Dad Joke [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, and Greg Mac. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
6/6/20222 hours, 10 minutes, 27 seconds
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#151 | AT Trail Days 2022: Thru-Hiker Interviews

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek brought to by Goodr, we are joined by a gaggle of AT Hiker Trash.  Today's episode comes to you from Trail Days, where we go through a series of rapid fire questions with hikers who are in the midst of their 2022 AT thru-hikes.  This one is the predictable amount of chaos. We wrap the show joined alongside Mara and Leah for our favorite moments from the AT road trip, a triple crown of fast food restaurants, and a listener educates us on plant water. Goodr: Use code “backpacker15” for 15% off at goodr.com/backpacker15. Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Greenbelly: Use code “trek2022” for 10% off at greenbelly.co. Interviews with current AT hikers! Time stamps & Questions 00:04:47 - QOTD: What was your favorite moment from Trail Days Day 1? 00:16:48 - Scavenger hunt discussion 00:19:21 - Interview with Painkiller 00:24:35 - Interview with Platinum 00:32:14 - Interview with El Humidor and Footloose 00:44:10 - Interview with trek blogger Sidetrack 00:51:19 - Interview with trek blogger Catchup 00:59:51 - Interview with Good Zen 01:05:20 - Interview with Catchup 01:10:05 - Interview with Mindwell 01:16:02 - Interview with Ulasidena 01:21:05 - Interview with Mary Poppins SEGMENTS Triple Crown of fast food restaurants Listener Voicemail  5 Star Review Follow Leah and Mara on Instagram! [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, and Jason Snailer. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
5/30/20222 hours, 1 minute, 59 seconds
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#150 | Caet Cash on Peak Bagging in the Appalachias, Southbounding, and Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek brought to you by Goodr, we are joined by Caet Cash.  Caet first discovered backpacking back in 2014 and has been on an absolute tear ever since.  We chat about why she prefers to hike SOBO, including some SOBO specific elements of both the AT and PCT, her insane list of peakbagging feats in the Adirondacks and southern Appalachians, redlining (aka mapping) the Smokies, and much more.  Caet also details how her backcountry goals have shifted since being diagnosed with Hypermobile Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, how she manages EDS, and why she thinks it's important to be vocal about this chronic condition.   We wrap the show with an overview of our AT road trip thus far including Chaunce's absurd sun burn, a triple crown of emotional high points on trail, a listener voicemail, and a listener educates us on the Philmont Poop Rating. Goodr: Use code “backpacker15” for 15% off at goodr.com/backpacker15. Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Greenbelly: Use code “trek2022” for 10% off at greenbelly.co.   Interview with Caet Cash Caet's Instagram Article about Caet & the SB6K Time stamps & Questions 00:04:32 - QOTD: What’s been the best part of the road trip thus far? 00:14:53 - Introducing Caet 00:15:10 - Discussion about Caet’s trail name. 00:16:03 - What’s the origin of your trail name? 00:18:37 - How mad are you going to be about Zach’s pronunciation of Appalachian? 00:19:02 - Do you remember where you first met Zach? 00:21:07 - Tell us your backpacking resume. 00:22:45 - Tell us about the Northville Placid Trail. 00:24:26 - What’s the best season to do the Northville Placid Trail? 00:25:45 - Do most people start in Northville? 00:26:00 - What type of wildlife do you see? 00:27:05 - Have you done any of the Finger Lakes Trail? 00:27:52 - What put the Appalachian Trail on your radar and why did you choose southbound? 00:29:19 - Was your marathon pain related to your future diagnosis? 00:30:10 - Anything else you want to share from the AT? 00:32:25 - Chaunce’s story. 00:34:52 - At one point did you feel like you got into the hiking rhythm? 00:38:20 - Does any part of the trail feel hard after you’ve completed the Whites? 00:39:30 - Anything else you want to share from the CT? 00:40:36 - Tell us about connecting your footsteps on the PCT. 00:43:54 - How did you decide to go southbound on the PCT? 00:44:30 - How did you handle sleeping alone? 00:46:35 - How many times have you seen bears at night? 00:47:30 - Discussion of purism differences between the AT and PCT. 00:48:35 - When did you finish the PCT and what was the Sierra like? 00:50:15 - Tell us about what you thought of the PCT views and scenery. 00:52:02 - Do you prefer the scenery of the AT? 00:53:20 - Do you think list-making is more of a personality trait of people in the Northeast? 00:54:11 - Tell us about the South Beyond 6,000 grid. 00:55:36 - Can you give us more detail on the SB6K guidelines? 00:57:14 - What’s your strategy in accomplishing the SB6K? 00:58:14 - How do you hike all of them in a month? 00:59:25 - What are your top 3 favorite peaks from the SB6K? 01:00:49 - Tell us about the Adirondack 46. 01:02:03 - How many of the SB6K peaks are accessible from or on the AT? 01:03:03 - Have you done Mt. Rogers? 01:03:47 - If there’s no view, is the appeal strictly accomplishing the list? 01:04:20 - Has anyone else done the SB6K grid? 01:07:02 - Tell us about redlining the Smokies.  01:09:12 - How much do you have to plan for a redlining project versus winging it? 01:09:41 - Are there any resources for helping someone plan a redline? 01:10:45 - How long did it take you to redline the Smokies? 01:11:44 - Tell us about your hip injury. 01:16:01 - Tell us about Hypermobile Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. 01:18:19 - Have you ever dislocated your shoulder? 01:19:01 - What differentiates this disease from someone with other flexibility or hypermobility? 01:19:41 - How do you cope with or reduce chronic pain? 01:22:22 - How has EDS modified your future plans or goals? 01:24:29 - How common is EDS? 01:25:51 - What else in your lifestyle has changed to pursue your health goals? 01:27:18 - Has it been tough to recalibrate your goals? 01:28:28 - Did you ever wonder if your pain was similar to other hikers’? 01:29:58 - Would cycling be a possible activity for you? 01:31:52 - Tell us about your sister and hiking with her. 01:32:55 - What’s your big 3 these days? 01:34:14 - Hype up van life for us. 01:36:18 - What do you want to share about guiding? 01:37:12 - How did you like working with Jennifer Pharr Davis? 01:38:00 - Anything else you want to share? 01:39:08 - Thank you! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Woman Rescued After Falling Headfirst Into Pit Toilet Trying to Retrieve Phone by Penina Satlow Triple Crown of emotional high points on trail Listener Voicemail Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound g uy@Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, and Jason Snailer. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
5/23/20222 hours, 7 minutes, 15 seconds
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#149 | Darwin on Quitting YouTube, Advice to Aspiring Vloggers, and What Lies Ahead

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by YouTube sensation, Darwin.  We learn all about Darwin's rise to fame, including the turning point from when he went from a novice content creator to a full-blown trail celebrity, his advice to aspiring YouTube trail personalities, and why he ultimately fell out of love with the platform. We also learn about Darwin's new media company, Outdoor Evolution, and the plethora of projects currently coming from OE, and what lies ahead. We wrap the show by sharing the news of a gent who's about to finish walking around the world with his pup and we opine on whether we'd rather have a boring, stupid, or ugly offspring. Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “backpacker” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Greenbelly: Use code “trek2022” for 10% off at greenbelly.co. Interview with Darwin Darwin's Youtube Channel Darwin Goodbye Trek Article + Goodbye Video Outdoor Evolution Time stamps & Questions 00:04:25 - QOTD: Would you rather have a boring, stupid, or ugly kid? 00:06:57 - BPR Announcements: The Trek’s Featured TikTok Personality  00:08:08 - Introducing Darwin 00:08:37 - What was your life pre-dirtbag adventuring? 00:09:52 - Was there one trip you saw as the tipping point to altering your lifestyle? 00:13:56 - Tell us about the timeline of leaving home. 00:14:35 - Tell us about the initial intentions of the trail. 00:16:50 - Do you think leaving the AT and returning later prepared you for future trips? 00:18:47 - When does the Youtube channel enter the picture? 00:22:46 - Was there a particular moment when the channel became something you thought you could make a career out of? 00:25:27 - Tell us about living and working in Albuquerque. 00:26:45 - What’s the strangest hobby you’ve gotten into? 00:28:20 - Tell us about owning a restaurant. 00:29:10 - Are you a big fan of the blues? 00:30:04 - What are the top three things you would never dabble in? 00:31:40 - Tell us about cycling and bike-packing. 00:36:04 - Why do you think your bike-packing videos didn’t take off? 00:36:55 - Is adventure touring more trail or more road? 00:38:58 - How is your injury affecting your upcoming plans? 00:38:33 - Do you mind if I ask how old you are? 00:40:07 - What was the next big hike after the AT? 00:41:03 - How did you like the Pinhoti Trail? 00:42:48 - What kind of miles are you usually hiking per day? 00:44:42 - How did your channel interface with your PCT hike? 00:48:50 - Discussion about the turning point in popularity for the channel. 00:52:43 - Can you elaborate on the closure you sought on the CDT? 01:00:56 - If you had any general advice to someone interested in growing a Youtube channel, what would you tell them? 01:05:24 - Did you develop a thicker skin toward internet comments as you made more videos? 01:09:08 - Tell us about Outdoor Evolution. 01:14:58 - How do you decide how to allocate your time? 01:16:45 - Tell us about the structure of OE. 01:17:55 - Do you and your wife plan to have any children? 01:21:35 - Tell us more about current OE projects. 01:26:25 - How much are you looking to fundraise for your public lands series? 01:27:36 - How big is your production team? 01:28:58 - Give us a sneak peak of each episode. 01:30:01 - Tell us about the other upcoming projects you have going on this year. 01:33:22 - Anything else you want to share? 01:35:12 - Thanks! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Tom Turcich (and His Pup) Set to Complete 7-Year Around-the-World Walk Next Month by Clay Bonnyman Evans Adrift on the Pacific Crest Trail by Clay Bonnyman Evans Triple Crown of unlikely spaces where humans become savagely territorial Impromptu News Story Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, and Jason Snailer. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
5/16/20222 hours, 1 minute, 23 seconds
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#148 | Carly Moree on Hallucinating in the Sierra, Starting a Guiding Company, and Co-Authoring Pacific Crest Trials

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Carly Moree.  Carly is a thru-hiker, the co-author of Pacific Crest Trials, an OG Writer at The Trek, entrepreneur and a long time friend.  We chat about her transition from the cushy world of finance to backpacking, her personal pitfalls of getting into a relationship on the AT, some hilarious hallucinations during her JMT FKT attempt, and learn all about her new guiding company, Rocky Mountain Hiking Company. We wrap the show with a brief overview of some of the top day hikes on the AT, some more details of our upcoming road trip, and a dad joke of the week. Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Greenbelly: Use code “trek2022” for off at greenbelly.co. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “thetrek10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com.  [divider] Photo credit: "Stephanie Weezer" (@stephlotus_ on IG) Interview with Carly Moree Carly's Instagram Rocky Mountain Hiking Company Rocky Mountain Hiking Company Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:24 - QOTD: If you married to yourself, what would be the reason for the divorce? 00:05:54 - QOTD 2: What’s the correct amount to tip for pickup orders? 00:13:14 - BPR Announcements: Asheville Meetup at Hi-Wire Brewing May 11, 6:30pm, Trail Days: scavenger hunt, limited edition t-shirts 00:14:20 - Introducing Carly 00:16:08 - Tell us about your introduction into the world of thru-hiking. 00:18:15 - What’s your trail name origin story? 00:19:19 - Why don’t you want to date on trail anymore? 00:20:39 - What attracts you to someone while on trail? 00:22:48 - Tell us about getting Lyme disease. 00:25:44 - Where did you go after the AT? 00:26:41 - Tell us about the epiphany you had about the direction your career was going. 00:28:33 - Give us an example of a crazy moment from your finance job. 00:32:04 - Tell us about the transition from your job to the AT? 00:34:27 - Tell us about deciding to hike the PCT after the AT? 00:35:30 - Did you get any grief for skipping Pennsylvania? 00:36:50 - Discussion about big mile days on the PCT. 00:37:49 - What changes did you make when deciding to date a second person? 00:38:52 - Is there anything else you want to share from the PCT? 00:41:01 - Do you feel like you were drawn to Jennifer Pharr Davis for any other reasons? 00:44:13 - Discussion about co-authoring Pacific Crest Trials. 00:47:25 - Tell us how co-authoring the book has helped your dating life. 00:47:58 - Discussion about Reddit AMA. 00:49:38 - What was your life like after the PCT? 00:51:42 - Why did you only do Mount Sanitas? 00:52:35 - Tell us about starting your PCT FKT attempt. 00:54:44 - Was it weird that you were both going for the FKT? 00:55:42 - Tell us about transitioning from the PCT FKT to the JMT FKT? 00:57:48 - The FKT was a really important moment in your life, right? 00:58:53 - Doesn’t going through a breakup during lockdown suck? 01:01:00 - Discussion about training for the Grand Canyon run. 01:01:55 - What’s your hiking pace? 01:02:11 - What’s your aggressive hiking pace? 01:03:04 - Discussion about training for the JMT FKT. 01:04:33 - Did you plan the hike around a good weather window? 01:06:24 - Tell us the fun facts of the hike. 01:07:05 - What are the hallucinations and did you realize you were hallucinating? 01:14:03 - How do you know what you thought was real was actually real? 01:16:02 - Discussion about the end of the FKT attempt. 01:17:26 - Why do you think you couldn’t feel anything until you decided to end the attempt? 01:17:58 - Discussion about getting off the trail. 01:20:38 - Discussion about getting lost and deciding to press SOS. 01:22:39 - Discussion about the SAR suitors. 01:26:18 - You had to pay for the SOS rescue? 01:27:13 - What did the rescue cost? 01:27:55 - You seemed way too comfortable with hallucinating - were you scared? 01:30:18 - Do you have any advice for the Tahoe Rim Trail? 01:32:41 - Anything else from the Tahoe Rim Trail? 01:33:40 - Tell us about your company. 01:35:40 - When did you start the company? 01:37:11 - Who is the target market for your guided hikes? 01:38:37 - How many trips have you guided so far? 01:39:08 - What are some of the challenges of running a guiding company? 01:40:28 - Who’s the other guide? 01:42:25 - When is your Death Valley trip? 01:43:25 - What has been the biggest surprise in starting the company? 01:45:20 - How does hiring and paying guides work? 01:47:25 - Is it just a three person team right now? 01:48:48 - Tell us about the workshops. 01:50:00 - Tell us about the coaching element of the company. 01:53:30 - Anything else we should know about Rocky Mountain Hiking Company? 01:54:05 - Thank you! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Top 5 Appalachian Trail Day Hikes with Unforgettable Views by Amber and Joshua Niven Dad Joke of the Week Roan Mountain, Ghosts, and Supernatural Stories Mail Bag 5 Star Review Book Update [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, and Jason Snailer. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
5/9/20222 hours, 19 minutes, 53 seconds
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#147 | Dr. Jon Kedrowski on Climbing Everest with Mike Posner, Sleeping on All of Colorado's 14'ers, and The Best Hikes Around Colorado

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, we are joined by author, mountaineer, and keynote speaker, Dr. Jon Kedrowski.  Dr. Jon's list of accomplishments are staggeringly long, including sleeping at the summit of all the Colorado 14'ers, multiple Everest summits, playing D-1college basketball at Valparaiso, guiding and befriending Mike Posner, and much more.  We catch Dr. Jon very off-guard with a well-timed, fuck, marry, kill, we learn about the standout geography features of each of the Colorado mountain ranges, and what it's like to encounter death on Everest. We wrap the show with a triple crown of minor injuries that hurt like fuck and we bring back a listener favorite segment — would you rather.   Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “backpacker” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Greenbelly: Use code “trek2022” for off at greenbelly.co. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com.  Interview with Dr. Jon Kedrowski Dr. Jon's Instagram Dr. Jon's Website Time stamps & Questions 00:04:41 - QOTD: What are you most excited about for Trail Days? 00:11:13 - BPR Announcements: Trail Days Road Trip, Asheville Meetup May 11, 6:30pm, subscribe to be alerted of new BPR episodes! 00:14:30 - Introducing Dr. Jon Kedrowski 00:15:50 - Tell us your mountaineering origin story. 00:19:08 - Were you the youngest person to hike all of Colorado’s 14’ers? 00:21:25 - How did you get to trailheads during high school? 00:22:24 - Tell us about being a geography professor. 00:24:20 - Was it tough to pursue mountaineering before it was a money-making profession? 00:27:30 - What’s it like to be a part of March Madness? 00:28:23 - What’s the overlap between being a collegiate basketball player and a successful mountaineer? 00:29:29 - For a backpacker, what’s an applicable mantra or philosophy you go by? 00:32:20 - Tell us about the CDT and CT from a geographic perspective. 00:34:48 - How do you compare the San Juans and the Collegiate Peaks? 00:36:41 - If you had to pick one Colorado mountain range for the rest of your life’s adventuring, which would it be? 00:38:20 - Fuck, Marry, Kill: Colorado mountain ranges. 00:40:24 - Do you actually sleep at the top of a mountain? 00:42:19 - What do you do if there’s a storm while you’re sleeping? 00:43:38 - Your tent got struck by lightning? 00:45:38 - Do you lead clients up Everest now? 00:46:56 - Are you in Mike Posner’s new music video? 00:48:39 - Tell us a wild story from hiking with Mike Posner? 00:50:31 - What’s considered good water once you become a snob about it? 00:52:00 - Did you ever not want to get in the water on video? 00:53:03 - Is there one place that stood out to you related to stargazing? 00:56:21 - Do you ever follow established routes or mainly find your own? 00:59:30 - Let’s talk about Everest! 01:01:02 - What’s it like when there’s a tragedy on Everest? 01:03:20 - What went wrong in 2012? 01:08:02 - What’s the atmosphere like when you return to the high camp? 01:08:35 - What’s your personal mental state like when you have to leave someone behind? 01:10:40 - Is there any mental prep work for encountering people who will perish on Everest? 01:13:20 - At one point will Everest become a trail of bodies? 01:15:58 - Is there part of you that gets freaked out going back year after year? 01:17:32 - What would a training program for Everest look like? 01:19:14 - What training could someone do in the gym? 01:21:21 - Tell us about mountaineering gear.  01:23:22 - How much do those sleeping bags and down suits weigh? 01:24:03 - What does your pack typically weigh? 01:25:43 - What size is your pack? 01:26:20 - Tell us about your “no off days” philosophy. 01:27:40 - Are you physically preparing every single day or are you risking burnout? 01:28:42 - How old are you? 01:31:28 - Have you thought about retiring for two weeks like Tom Brady? 01:33:02 - Is part of you wanting to do a calendar Triple? 01:34:05 - What’s your go-to junk food? 01:34:23 - Get a prize for buying Dr. Jon’s new book! 01:36:34 - Thank you! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Authorities Seek Help Identifying Body Found on Springer Mountain by Kelly Floro Triple Crown of minor injuries that hurt like fuck Would You Rather? Mail Bag 5 Star Review Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, and Jason Snailer. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
5/2/20222 hours, 5 minutes, 36 seconds
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#146 | Hazel "Platypus" Platt

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Hazel Platt known on trail as Platypus.  In addition to thru-hikes of the Appalachian Trail and the Pacific Northwest Trail, Hazel also serves as the Volunteer Engagement Associate for the PCTA.  Hazel is also a queer/trans hiker, going by the he/they pronouns.  We go deep in this interview, learning about Hazel's emotional journey of coming out as a trans hiker during the height of lockdown in the less than welcoming environment of a conservative community in West Virginia.  We also learn about the differences of Hazel's thru-hikes, where they had come out as queer prior to the AT, and trans shortly before embarking on the Pacific Northwest Trail.  We chat about Hazel's love for off-trail hiking, including the highlights and lowlights of navigating on the PNT.  We conclude the interview with an overview of Hazel's work at the PCTA, the importance volunteers play for the Pacific Crest Trail, and what the future beholds for the non-profit. We wrap the show with a check-in from MG, Backpacker Radio's Sponsored hiker, as she gets ready for her SOBO AT thru-hike, we learn about a gentleman hiking the AT carrying a leafblower, and a half-baked patent-pending about how to improve nalgenes. Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Greenbelly: Use code “trek2022” for off at greenbelly.co. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com.  Interview with Hazel “Platypus” Platt Hazel’s Instagram Pacific Crest Trail Association Website PCTA Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:04:45 - QOTD: How was the Denver Hiker Trash meetup? 00:13:05 - BPR Announcements: Trail Days Road Trip, Asheville Meetup May 11, 6:30pm 00:15:15 - Introducing Hazel 00:15:45 - What’s your backpacking resume? 00:16:42 - What caused you not to finish the Long Trail? 00:17:19 - Did you feel in over your head starting the AT? 00:18:10 - Any notable stories from the AT? 00:19:40 - What was the inspiration to become sober? 00:20:40 - What would you like to share about your coming out process? 00:23:04 - What was the reception like in West Virginia or online? 00:25:35 - Can you walk us through what it was like when the pandemic started for you? 00:29:12 - Tell us about your tech career prior to hiking. 00:33:08 - Did the cloud around gender dysphoria lift at all after coming out? 00:35:35 - Can you speak to some of the common cultural challenges you’re inundated with? 00:40:43 - What comes up for you when someone gets your pronouns wrong? 00:41:47 - What was your experience and reception like on the Pacific Northwest Trail? 00:46:06 - Was there a difference in your hiking experience from the AT to the PNT? 00:48:50 - What was it like going from the community of the AT to the isolation of the PNT? 00:51:04 - Did you see any grizzlies? 00:51:42 - Tell us about the time you got lost. 00:56:54 - Do you know how much more of the trail has been developed in recent years? 00:58:43 - Can you speak to the community you found on trail compared to what you expected? 01:01:24 - Are there places you’d suggest someone look for community prior to hiking? 01:04:15 - Discussion about history. 01:10:40 - Tell us a story that encapsulates the bigger picture history of the AT. 01:13:30 - Tell us a fun fact about plants. 01:15:21 - Tell Zach the story about George Washington, land surveying, and the Fairfax line. 01:20:14 - Tell us about your role with the PCTA. 01:21:20 - Can you tell us more about the role volunteers play for the PCTA? 01:22:56 - Can you speak to some of the biggest challenges of working with volunteers? 01:26:37 - What is your vision for more inclusive programs and messaging within the PCTA? 01:30:18 - How do you see yourself accomplishing your own goals within your work? 01:32:22 - Do you have any parting thoughts to share? 01:36:55 - Thank you! SEGMENTS MG Check-In Trek Propaganda The Colorado Trail Guide: Logistics by Kelly Floro Man Hiking the AT with a Leafblower: Mascot Hikers and Why They Do It by Bloodhound Trail News What is a hike? Patent Pending One Minute Gear Review Plant, Child, and Pupdate Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, and Jason Snailer. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
4/25/20222 hours, 14 minutes, 4 seconds
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#145 | Nika "Early Bird" Meyers

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Nika "Early Bird" Meyers.  Nika is a backpacking badass.  Not only is she a triple crowner, but Early Bird has set a pair of speed records, including the unsupported FKT on the Long Trail and the self-supported FKT on the Colorado Trail, which she set last year with a time of 9 days 14 hours, and 19 minutes (keep in mind, this takes most people a full month).  We get a full chronology of Nika's backpacking career, when and where the idea of attempting FKTs first entered her world, her background in competitive skiing, the most important lesson she's learned when attempting thru-hikes, her incredible artwork, and much more. We wrap the show with a series of Elise-centric segments (as she's sitting in for Chaunce today), including how she's preparing, what gear she's using, how she's budgeting for the CDT, and much more.  We also chat about some 4-6 day backpacking trips in the West to put on your bucket list, how thru-hiking has changed our lives, and we get a surprise visit from Jabba at the end of our interview. [divider] LISTEN Download this episode. [divider] Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Organifi: Use code “backpacker” for 20% off at organifi.com/backpacker. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com.  [divider] Interview with Nika “Early Bird” Meyers Nika's Website Nika's Instagram Nika's Art Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:05:11 - QOTD: What are your hiking plans for this summer? 00:07:27 - BPR Announcements: Trail Days Road Trip, Asheville Meetup May 11, 6:30pm 00:08:30 - Introducing Nika 00:08:56 - How did you get your trail name? 00:10:33 - What’s relevant in your background before you started thru-hiking? 00:13:51 - Did you know right away after the Long Trail that you would do more long trails? 00:15:35 - What kind of animals use the Long Trail as a migratory corridor? 00:16:34 - If you got to list one sport on your tombstone, what would it be? 00:17:23 - Take us from the Long Trail in 2012 to the PCT in 2014. 00:19:03 - How did you manage without your parent’s blessing for starting the PCT? 00:22:00 - How quickly did you hike the Long Trail and the PCT? 00:24:50 - How did you get interested in FKTs? 00:26:27 - Anything else you want to highlight from the PCT? 00:26:56 - What did you do after the PCT? 00:28:25 - What’s harder, a 50-mile day or dealing with high school kids? 00:29:34 - How did you get into environmental education to begin with? 00:32:11 - What was your lifestyle like living in the Cascades? 00:32:55 - Discussion about snow on the PCT. 00:33:40 - What’s your snow hiking technique? 00:35:08 - Did you do a lot of peaks in the Cascades? 00:36:08 - Are you an adrenaline junkie? 00:36:55 - Tell us about the CDT. 00:37:20 - What’s your pack weight like for these hikes? 00:38:54 - What else do you want to share about the CDT? 00:41:54 - Did you feel the same way going from the CDT to AT that you did PCT to CDT? 00:45:07 - What are the biggest differences between those two trails? 00:47:10 - What’s your take on the AT as your last Triple Crown trail? 00:49:02 - Was it difficult to find a way to hike by yourself? 00:51:00 - Was this pink blazing or banana blazing? 00:52:24 - Tell us your poop story. 00:57:41 - Anything notable from the Rim2Rim2Rim? 00:58:23 - What’s the elevation change in the Grand Canyon? 00:58:40 - What’s the R2R2R FKT? 01:00:28 - How fast did you hike the Arizona Trail? 01:00:47 - When did you get the idea of setting FKTs? 01:02:56 - How did you bridge the gap between regimented schedules and having fun? 01:05:56 - How do you plan an FKT without planning daily mileage? 01:08:14 - What was your sleep regimen like? 01:09:00 - Discussion about talking with other hikers while pursuing an FKT. 01:11:22 - Did you utilize caffeine at all? 01:13:42 - Did your appetite ever get back to normal during the Colorado Trail FKT? 01:15:12 - Did you crave anything during an FKT? 01:15:55 - Do you think this will change your food planning for future FKTs? 01:16:42 - Is any part of an FKT Type I fun? 01:18:02 - Do you get anxious about hiking in the middle of the night? 01:19:11 - What’s the time difference between the Long Trail and Colorado Trail FKTs? 01:21:58 - Do you get antsy while waiting for storms to pass? 01:22:48 - Did finishing in better condition have more to do with your training or the terrain? 01:24:08 - Tell us about your art. 01:27:37 - Tell us about the watercolor t-shirt. 01:29:10 - If you could pick one piece to display in your house, which would it be? 01:30:13 - Are a lot of pieces commissioned? 01:30:45 - Where can people catch up with you? 01:31:43 - What’s next for you? 01:32:54 - Thank you! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Nika ‘Early Bird’ Meyers Sets a New Self-Supported Colorado Trail FKT by Owen Eigenbrot How Has Thru-Hiking Changed Your Life? Hikers Share Their Stories (Part 1) by Penina Satlow Pre-Trail Q&A with Elise Avenza Maps Triple Crown of non-obvious thru-hike prep things Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, and Jason Snailer. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.
4/18/20222 hours, 23 minutes, 54 seconds
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#144 | Linnea "Otter" Delucchi

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Linnea Delucchi, known on trail as Otter.  Otter is a 2017 PCT thru-hiker, has a Masters in Adventure Education, and now serves as the Assistant Director at New Treks, an organization that teaches outdoor education to underprivileged youth.  This convo covers a lot of ground, including the cognitive effects of spending time in nature and hiking specifically (and how wearing headphones could potentially negatively impact that), we get an overview of some Denver-based non-profits focused on the outdoors- including an in-depth work of Linnea's organization, and Linnea blesses us with an all-time poop story from her PCT thru-hike.  We wrap the show with a rapid fire Q&A with The Trek's new intern, Rachel, we do a triple crown of things people complain about as they get older, and Chaunce reveals herself as an Oscars slap truther.   Gossamer Gear: Use code “littledonkeygirl” for 15% off at gossamergear.com.  Greenbelly: Use code “trek2022” for off at greenbelly.co. Enlightened Equipment: Use code “ultralight10” for 10% off Enlightened Equipment’s Stock Revelation Quilt or Torrid Jacket at enlightenedequipment.com.    Interview with Linnea “Otter” Delucchi Linnea’s Instagram New Treks Donate to New Treks Time stamps & Questions 00:04:20 - QOTD: Where were you when the news broke of Will Smith slapping Chris Rock? 00:09:25 - BPR Announcements: Asheville Meetup Hi-Wire Brewing RAD Beer Garden, May 11, 6:30pm 00:11:25 - Introducing Linnea 00:12:40 - Tell us your outdoor background. 00:14:23 - If you had to pick one outdoor sport, what would you pick? 00:15:10 - How long have you lived in Colorado? 00:15:54 - Tell us about graduate school. 00:16:37 - What direction did you think your career would go as an undergraduate? 00:17:28 - What’s the craziest thing about the brain? 00:18:40 - What’s the difference between people who hike with headphones and those who don’t? 00:19:28 - Does it matter what you’re listening to? 00:20:27 - Tell us about the study design. 00:22:23 - If you were going to run the study again, what variables would you change? 00:24:03 - What do you know about studies related to thru-hiking? 00:26:25 - Discussion about the impacts of technology in nature. 00:27:50 - Did you make a conscious decision not to listen to technology on the PCT? 00:30:15 - Tell us more about the brain. 00:33:50 - What do you think the cognitive benefits of a thru-hike are? 00:36:20 - How would you convince someone like Chaunce to get out in nature more? 00:39:25 - Do you think adrenaline junkies have less of a fear response? 00:42:25 - What turned you on to the PCT in the first place? 00:43:47 - Was backpacking a hard sell for you given the other sports you like? 00:45:42 - Do you have any crazy injury stories? 00:48:37 - Are there sports you won’t try? 00:49:35 - Tell us your poop story. 00:55:06 - Tell us about New Treks. 00:57:28 - What’s your role at New Treks? 00:58:20 - Do you notice different ways that the kids you work with interact with the outdoors? 01:01:18 - How do you get the kids excited for the activities? 01:02:40 - How much time do you spend with each group? 01:05:05 - How often do you see kids get really into the activities? 01:06:55 - Does one story stand out as the most meaningful? 01:09:22 - Is it tough to maintain a positive attitude? 01:12:03 - How long has New Treks been in existence? 01:12:20 - How do you start something like New Treks? 01:13:42 - Can you explain the funding side of New Treks? 01:17:04 - Tell us about the other Denver-based nonprofits you wrote about. 01:24:22 - Did you learn about these organizations recently or already know about them? 01:26:12 - Do you have advice for anyone interested in getting into outdoor education? 01:27:54 - What’s next for you? 01:28:48 - Thank you! SEGMENTS Trek Propaganda Eight Denver-Based Nonprofits Working in the Outdoors by Linnea Delucchi  7 Badass Woman Thru-Hikers Who Inspire Me to Hit the Trails by Anna McKinney Triple Crown of things people start to complain about as they get older Mail Bag New Intern Q&A 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross. Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, and Jason Snailer. A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia