Conversations about Art follows threads such as: Art and Uncertainty, Art and Happiness, and Art and Spirituality, in conversations between Heidi Zuckerman, a globally recognized contemporary art museum director, author, and speaker, and artists, curators, collectors, athletes, actors, musicians, politicians and CEOs. An inspiring storyteller and trusted conversation partner, Zuckerman connects people to art, artists, and ideas to make their lives better!
129. Charlotte Burns
Journalist Charlotte Burns is the founder of Studio Burns, which creates and commissions original editorials and provides strategic advice. She is also the co-founder of the Burns Halperin Report, which analyses equity in museums and the art market. She also produces the weekly podcast "The Art World: What If...?!" for Art& at the New York advisory, Schwartzman&. The second season of the show launches 18 January 2024. Previously the executive editor of In Other Words, a weekly newsletter and podcast (2016-20), she was the US news and Market editor for The Art Newspaper (2009-16) and has written for publications including The Guardian, Cultured and Monocle magazine. Before that she worked for galleries including Anthony d’Offay and Hauser & Wirth.
She and Zuckerman discuss podcasting, grace in space, the imagined idea of America, not feeling at home, maternity, having ego leave, living life, how dreams need
28/11/2023 • 1 hour 2 minutes 12 seconds
128. Fred Tomaselli
Fred Tomaselli has shown his work in museums, biennials and galleries around the world, including MoMA, MoCA, the MET and SFMoMa. Biennials include the Whitney Biennial, Berlin Biennial, and the Lyon Biennial. Solo museum shows include the Whitney Museum at Philip Morris, The Aspen Art Museum, The Brooklyn Art Museum, and the Orange County Art Museum. Tomaselli is known for his intricate, engulfing images of earthly and cosmic realms made by suspending collage and painted imagery as well as an unorthodox array of real-world materials in thick layers of clear, epoxy resin. These works on wood panels mix snippets of botanical, ornithological and anatomical illustrations cut from books and magazines, prescription pills, medicinal herbs and psychoactive plants with the artist’s own designs. Tomaselli sees his mixture of psychedelic imagery and substances as windows into hallucinatory universes: “It is my ultimate aim to seduce and transport the viewer into the space of these pictures wh
14/11/2023 • 55 minutes 59 seconds
127. Tim Griffin
Tim Griffin is the Executive Director of the Industry. He joined the organization in June 2023 and continues the organization’s commitment to reimagining art’s relationship with its publics. Previously, Griffin was executive director and chief curator at The Kitchen (2011–2021) where he developed projects across disciplines with artists such as Chantal Akerman, ANOHNI, Charles Atlas, Abraham Cruzvillegas, Joan Jonas, Ralph Lemon, Aki Sasamoto, Wadada Leo Smith, Tyshawn Sorey, and Danh Vo, among others. On the occasion of The Kitchen’s 50th anniversary, Griffin initiated a capital campaign to renovate its building as a platform for the next generation of artists, raising roughly $22 million. From 2003 to 2010, Griffin was editor of Artforum, organizing special issues on performance; the museum in a contemporary context; art and poetry; and art and commerce. His own writing has appeared in publications from Bomb to Vogue, including catalogue essays on choreographer Maria Hassabi (MoM
31/10/2023 • 53 minutes 28 seconds
126. Ebony L. Haynes
Writer and curator Ebony L. Haynes, originally from Canada, is a Director at David Zwirner gallery in New York and runs 52 Walker. Haynes was a recent visiting curator and critic for Yale School of Fine art in the Painting and Printmaking class of 2021. She also runs an online “school” where free professional practice classes are offered to Black students, world wide. Prior to joining David Zwirner, Haynes served as director at Martos Gallery and Shoot The Lobster NY & LA, and was responsible for many critically acclaimed exhibitions including Invisible Man, epigenetic, EBSPLOITATION, and The Worst Witch. Haynes sits on the boards of the New Art Dealers Association, and Cassandra Press.She and Zuckerman discuss sliding door moments, the pitching of 52 Walker, good versus great curating, the importance of a true team, approaching studio visits, research based practices, writing by hand, and what she hopes for!
17/10/2023 • 50 minutes 24 seconds
125. Tony Lewis
Chicago-based artist Tony Lewis’s practice focuses on the relationship between semiotics and language to confront social and political topics such as race, power, communication, and labor. Lewis creates drawings using graphite, pencil and paper, mediums the artist uses to trace and develop abstract narratives and reflections on the notion of the gestural. By pushing the boundaries of drawing and the possibilities of abstraction, he expands the use of the “material” of language. He currently has a solo exhibition at the Orange County Museum of Art/OCMA.He and Zuckerman discuss labor and work, changing the way you think about making art, saying yes, listening to music on repeat, “keep going,” things that exist outside of art, motivational language, caring enough, nicknames, and the precision of human nature!
03/10/2023 • 53 minutes 23 seconds
124. Lauren Haynes
American curator Lauren Haynes is Director of Curatorial Affairs and Programs at the Queens Museum. Prior to joining the Queens Museum, Haynes worked at museums across the United States including Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art and the Studio Museum in Harlem. Haynes is a specialist in contemporary art by artists of African descent – her curatorial vision aims to challenge traditional narratives and push boundaries within the art world, embracing both established artists and emerging talents, bridging the gap between tradition and innovation. Haynes was a 2018 Center for Curatorial Leadership fellow and a recipient of a 2020 ArtTable New Leadership Award. Since 2022, Haynes has been a member of the board of the Association of Art Museum Curators (AAMC) and AAMC Foundation.She and Zuckerman discuss having work study jobs at college museums, navigating artist interactions and needs, deliberate care, growing and developing a contemporary program, tv as a hobby, dreaming of r
19/09/2023 • 52 minutes 12 seconds
123. Shigeru Ban
Shigeru Ban is a Pritzker Prize winning architect and humanitarian. Ban has developed a unique style known for its blend of traditional Japanese architecture with elements of American Modernism. One of Ban's notable achievements is his pioneering work in using recycled materials, particularly paper tubes, as building components. He believes that architecture should serve the needs of society, especially in times of crisis. Notable projects include the Paper Dome in Japan, which provided temporary housing after an earthquake, the Cardboard Cathedral in New Zealand, Centre Pompidou-Metz in France, the Japan Pavilion Expo 2000 in Germany, and the Aspen Art Museum. Ban’s architectural practice showcases a harmonious blend of functionality, aesthetics, and environmental consciousness.Ban and Zuckerman discuss humanitarian architecture, using wood, escaping from the influences of our teachers, inside and outside, experience sequencing, looking for problems to solve by design, form
05/09/2023 • 50 minutes 20 seconds
122. Sumayya Vally
Sumayya Vally is the founder and principal of Counterspace, a Johannesburg-based architecture and research studio. Counterspace is
committed to developing a design language that acknowledges and
resonates with the African continent. In 2019, Counterspace was invited
to design the 20th Serpentine Pavilion in London, making Vally the
youngest architect ever to win this internationally renowned commission. She recently curated the first Islamic Arts Biennale in Jeddah. Vally is currently collaborating on the design of the Ellen Johnson Sirleaf Presidential Center for Women and Development in Monrovia, Liberia, the first presidential library dedicated to a female head of state, where she will oversee the scenography, pavilions, and exhibition spaces.
She and Zuckerman spoke about imagination, fear of design, metaphors of healing, dialogue with place, the first Islamic Arts Biennale, having a
life in a city, ingredients of gathering, architecture of ritual, dynamic restoration,
22/08/2023 • 56 minutes 22 seconds
121. Thom Mayne
Pritzker Prize-winning American architect and educator Thom Mayne is the founder of Morphosis, an innovative architecture, urbanism, and design collective. Named after the Greek term for ‘to form or be in formation’ – Morphosis has gained recognition for its sustainable designs. Notable projects include the Perot Museum of Nature and Science in Dallas, Emerson College in Los Angeles, New York’s Cooper Union building, and the Orange County Museum of Art. Alongside his architectural practice, Mayne has been actively involved in education and academia, as he played a pivotal role in establishing the Southern California Institute of Architecture.
He and Zuckerman spoke about how LA is a midwestern city, the museum as a cultured event, community making, formed architecture, American architects, having a voice, being what you are instead of what you do, license to dream, authentically seeing yourself, being a humanist, and the profound and enduring power of artistic activity!
08/08/2023 • 56 minutes 14 seconds
120. Sarah Cain
Artist Sarah Cain creates playful, abstract paintings and installations
that feature a bold use of color, improvisation, and a variety of
perspectives. Cain redefines abstraction in feminist terms as an
architecture for transformative, embodied, emotive experience –
intentionally subverting male-dominated art historical traditions. Known for expansive, site-specific murals, often she makes decisions about
the palette, gestures, and composition onsite.
She and Zuckerman spoke about personal relationships with the past,
site-specific projects, how color operates as a tool, physical space,
engaging with art, the lineage of abstract painters, the relationship
between titles and images, and how we can find awe in our daily lives!
25/07/2023 • 55 minutes 38 seconds
119. Narsiso Martinez
Artist Narsiso Martinez details the vital, but often unseen, labor
carried out by farmworkers in the United States in his mixed media
installations, predominantly using discarded cardboard produce boxes. His work resonates with the spirit of social realism from the 1930s – drawing from his personal experiences as a former farmworker. In 2023, Martinez was honored with the prestigious Frieze Impact prize for his exploration of the immigrant experience within the agriculture industry.
He and Zuckerman spoke about how art saved his life, giving voice to unrepresented communities, freedom and responsibility, reducing fear, giving back, being a hero, and having tomorrow!
11/07/2023 • 49 minutes 8 seconds
118. Allison Berg
Allison Berg, Founder and Executive Director of the A&L Berg
Foundation, is a lawyer turned arts and culture writer, philanthropist,
museum trustee, art collector, producer and more. Her work is informed by the desire to ensure everyone has access to equity in career
pathways along with inclusive platforms for their narratives. Allison is
LALA Magazine’s former executive editor and has contributed to Design
LA, Hamptons, Gotham, Cultured and C magazines. She was a Producer of “The Art of Making It” documentary and is a Trustee with the Boards of the Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA,) American Friends of the Israel Museum (AFIM), The Mistake Room (TMR) and The Los Angeles Football Club Foundation.
She and Zuckerman discuss getting to know art over time, being present, securing equity for under represented populations, why she serves as a museum trustee, making art accessible, connecting art and athletes, and how art creates understanding!
27/06/2023 • 57 minutes 48 seconds
117. Simphiwe Ndzube
Simphiwe Ndzube stitches together a subjective account of the Black experience in past and present-day South Africa from a mythological perspective creating universes with his sculptures, paintings, and assemblages. Living and working between Los Angeles and Cape Town, South Africa, Ndzube’s work was recently on view in the California Biennial 2022: Pacific Gold exhibition at the Orange County Museum of Art/OCMA.
He and Zuckerman discuss the hero’s journey, magical realism, mothers, play, love, community, opportunity, and apartheid.
This conversation was recorded in front of a live audience at OCMA and includes some of their questions at the end of the episode.
13/06/2023 • 53 minutes 58 seconds
116. Catherine Opie
Catherine Opie is an American photographer known for her portraits and landscapes that explore the complexities of contemporary life. Opie documents how individuals interact with the spaces they inhabit, expanding the dialogue on community, identity, and the marginalized subcultures of America. She was a recipient of The Guggenheim Fellowship in 2019, and The Smithsonian’s Archives of American Art Medal in 2016. Opie holds the Lynda and Stewart Resnick Endowed Chair in Art at UCLA where she is a professor of photography.She and Zuckerman discuss mapping humanity, writing in your head, the pain of losing a family, the healing that comes with motherhood, vastness, our intelligence as a species, the crisis of humanity, what makes a successful board experience, what it takes to be a good citizen, meditation within art practice, and how art is a the language of our culture!
30/05/2023 • 55 minutes 12 seconds
115. Robert King “Bob” Wittman
Robert King “Bob” Wittman is a highly decorated former Federal Bureau of Investigation special agent who was assigned to the Philadelphia Field Division from 1988 to 2008. Having trained in art, antiques, jewelry and gem identification, Wittman served as the FBI's "top investigator and coordinator in cases involving art theft and art fraud". During his 20 years with the FBI, Wittman helped recover more than $300 million worth of stolen art and cultural property, resulting in the prosecution and conviction of numerous individuals. In 2005, he was instrumental in the creation of the FBI's rapid deployment Art Crime Team (ACT). He also was instrumental in the recovery of colonial North Carolina's copy of the original Bill of Rights in 2005, that had been stolen by a Union soldier in 1865. Wittman represented the United States around the world, conducting investigations and instructing international police and museums in recovery and security techniques. After 20 y
16/05/2023 • 50 minutes 49 seconds
Episode 114: José Kuri and Mónica Manzutto
Mónica Manzutto and José Kuri founded the gallery that united their surnames in Mexico City in 1999, and soon became an international reference for Latin America and to the world: kurimanzutto. The gallery helped plant the seeds of Mexico City’s thriving art scene. Recently the husband-and-wife couple expanded their North American presence to a 622 sqm New York gallery that their artists helped design.We spoke about how they met, the Fridays workshop, Gabriel Orozco’s role in their founding the gallery, the original “rules” they set for the gallery, blurring the line between local and international, building artists’ careers, opening in a different era, staying close to artists, and the perspective that kids bring!
02/05/2023 • 47 minutes 41 seconds
113. Neville Wakefield
Neville Wakefield is a curator and writer interested in exploring the ways in which art behaves outside of institutional contexts. He offers that art is most successful, enlightening, and provocative when it goes beyond stereotypical labels and white spaces and is revealed in new spaces that suggest new paradigms. Previously MoMA PS1’s Senior Curatorial Advisor and Frieze Projects’ Curator, Wakefield is the co-founder of Elevation1049, a site-specific biennial in Gstaad, Switzerland, Artistic Director of Desert X, and the force behind Desert X AlUla in Saudi Arabia.He and Zuckerman spoke about starting as a writer, sailing, getting lost, no right or singular approach, embracing uncertainty, constructing your own narrative, the aesthetics of disappointment, lowering barriers of entry, and finding beauty in unexpected places!
18/04/2023 • 42 minutes 11 seconds
112. Hilary Pecis
Hilary Pecis makes paintings and drawings in which tableaus rich with interlocking fields of saturated color, geometric patterning, and bold linework provide views of sun-drenched domestic still lifes and landscape environments. Books crowding a coffee table, the remains of a dinner party, and terrains lush with Southern California succulents make frequent appearances in her work; these meticulously arranged interiors and vibrantly rendered exteriors amount to an overarching portrait of the self that identifies objects and locations as signifiers for human characteristics.She and Zuckerman spoke about the importance of questions, her use of photographs, how we know and show ourselves, running, active versus passive practice, in between spaces, choice, what she thinks about, and how things come together!
04/04/2023 • 46 minutes 46 seconds
111. Mark Manders
This episode is a rare, live conversation between Zuckerman and artist Mark Manders recorded as part of an exhibition opening walk through in Los Angeles!
For more than three decades, Mark Manders has developed an endless self-portrait in the form of sculpture, still life, and architectural plans. Described by the artist as his ongoing “self-portrait as a building,” Manders’ works present mysterious and evocative tableaux that allow viewers to construct their own narrative conclusions and meanings. Initially inspired by an interest in writing and literature, Manders’ first conception of the self-portrait was more literal.
He and Zuckerman spoke about magic, choosing a single word to describe your life, simultaneity, ways of understanding self and space, truth, freezing time, thinking machines, waiting, and how we understand God!
21/03/2023 • 39 minutes 16 seconds
110. Derrick Adams
Derrick Adams is a multi-disciplinary artist living and working in Brooklyn, NY. Adams probes how the experiences and narratives of Black communities are reflected in and refracted by American history, entertainment, consumerism, iconography, and the dynamic relationship between personal identity and cultural environment. Expanding the dialogue around contemporary Black life and culture, through scenes of normalcy and perseverance, he developed and presents an iconography of joy, leisure, and the pursuit of happiness.
He and Zuckerman spoke about confidence, formed language, times of invisibility, fun, artist friendships, celebrating yourself without explaining, and taking chances! is a multi-disciplinary artist living and working in Brooklyn, NY. Adams probes how the experiences and narratives of Black communities are reflected in and refracted by American history, entertainment, consumerism, iconography, and the dynamic relationship between personal identity and cultural
07/03/2023 • 45 minutes 45 seconds
109. Kelly Crow
Kelly Crow is a staff reporter for the Wall Street Journal, covering the ever-changing contemporary art market since 2006. Her work includes reports on sales at auction houses such as Sotheby's and Christie's and analyses of the funding and buying practices of the world's leading arts institutions, artists, and collectors. Extending her expertise beyond the newsroom, Crow has assisted in teaching journalism courses at Columbia University’s Graduate School, where she earned her master’s degree in 2000. Crow has been the recipient of a Front Page Award from the Newswomen's Club of New York in 2009 for her profile on an FBI officer who reclaims stolen art and a Deadline Club Award for Arts Reporting in 2021 from the New York chapter of the Society of Professional Journalists for her coverage of the digital-art boom. Now residing in Texas, Crow's decades-long insight and expertise into the art world have solidified her place among our time's most influential arts journalists.
21/02/2023 • 1 hour 11 seconds
108. Jeffrey Deitch
Jeffrey Deitch has been a prominent player in contemporary art for over fifty years. Born in 1952 and raised in Hartford, Connecticut, Deitch went on to study at Wesleyan University, turning his primary attention from economics to art history. As a college student, he opened his first gallery in 1972 in Lenox, Massachusetts. In 1978 Deitch received his MBA from Harvard Business School, where he authored his thesis on Andy Warhol as a business artist and sought to find synergy between aesthetics and economics. Such interest led him to Citibank, where he developed the art consultation division, the first professionally organized art advisory service attached to an international financial institution. Deitch has also contributed significantly to art criticism, becoming a regular columnist of Flash Art in 1980 and having his work published in Artforum, Garage, Interview magazine, and Paper magazine. In 1996, Deitch opened the Deitch Projects gallery in Soho, with shows including works f
07/02/2023 • 54 minutes 41 seconds
107. Angel Otero
Angel Otero is an artist known for employing highly innovative techniques that challenge the parameters of his materials, revealing the intrinsic qualities of paint. His works are rooted in abstract image making and engage with ideas of memory through addressing art history, as well as his own lived experience. Otero is best known for the Oil Skin works he began in 2010, an ongoing series that demonstrates the inherently transformative nature of the artist’s practice as well as his dedication to expanding the visual field of abstract expressionism. The artist’s early childhood memories are brought to the forefront in his most recent series of paintings which see a return to figuration combined with his hallmark style of abstraction. Otero paints and collages dreamlike scenes upon his vibrant structured canvases, depicting objects and spaces that are loosely based on personal memories associated with the domestic sphere. Probing the boundaries of figuration and abstraction, Otero’s m
24/01/2023 • 51 minutes 36 seconds
106. Heidi Zuckerman Ask Me Anything
With Episode 106 we have changed a few things up! First, our name, we have dropped the word conversations from the podcast title. The podcast is “About Art” so that’s what we’re now calling it! Simple and elegant.
Second, we added a new photo! The previous one was when OCMA/Orange County Museum of Art was under construction, the new one is from the opening press conference.
And, third, this is our first “Ask Me Anything” episode. Thank you so much to everyone who sent in your questions, we were overwhelmed by the number! We have enough to do many more episodes of this type if you’re interested! Please let us know in the comments below or via DM on Instagram.
Some of the audience questions Heidi answers in this AMA episode include sacrifices she has made, critique she has received, the art where she sleeps, art that makes me laugh, and that causes a lump in her throat, her creative practice, what keeps her going, and if she ever forgets why art matter
10/01/2023 • 42 minutes 38 seconds
105. Dara Birnbaum
Dara Birnbaum is a groundbreaking figure in the emergence of media art. Among the earliest practitioners working in video, among the first women to adapt the medium, and the first to focus on TV specifically.
Over the course of her nearly 50-year career, she has created a prescient body of work that in many ways prefigures our current digital realities, where anyone on social media can now “talk back” to media in ways similar to what Birnbaum has done throughout her artistic practice. Her early works from the late 1970s took on American popular culture—Technology/Transformation: Wonder Woman being among her most famous—finding homes in exhibitions at nontraditional venues such as hair salons and nightclubs in the East Village.
She and Zuckerman discuss joy, awakening to nature, Monet, how art saves lives, being a “video maker,” winning, and spiritual practice.
27/12/2022 • 56 minutes 9 seconds
104. Hoor Al Qasimi
This week on my podcast “Conversations About Art” I spoke with Hoor Al Qasimi, President and Director of Sharjah Art Foundation, a curator who established the Foundation in 2009 as a catalyst and advocate for the arts, not only in Sharjah, UAE, but also in the region and across the world. With a passion for supporting experimentation and innovation in the arts, Al Qasimi has continuously expanded the scope of the Foundation to include major international touring exhibitions; artist and curator residencies in visual art, film and music; commissions and production grants for emerging artists; publications and publication grants; performance and film festivals; architectural research and restoration; and a wide range of educational programming in Sharjah for both children and adults.
In 2003, Al Qasimi co-curated Sharjah Biennial 6 and has remained Biennial Director ever since. She is currently curating the upcoming Sharjah Biennial 15: Thinking Historically in the Pres
13/12/2022 • 55 minutes 37 seconds
103. Dan Wood and Amale Andraos, WORKac
Dan Wood and Amale Andraos, co-founders of WORKac and principals of the firm. Wood has extensive experience leading large scale and complex US and international projects. Andraos is also the dean emeritus and professor at Columbia University’s Graduate School of Architecture Planning and Preservation. WORKac creates architecture and strategic planning concepts at the intersection of the urban, the rural and the natural. Embracing reinvention and collaboration with other fields, they strive to develop intelligent and shared infrastructures and to achieve a more careful integration between architecture, landscape and ecological systems. They hold unshakable lightness and polemical optimism as a means to move beyond the projected and towards the possible. WORKac was the #1 design firm in Architect magazine’s 2017 Architect 50 and the 2015 AIA NYS Firm of the Year. The firm has achieved international acclaim for projects such as the Edible Schoolyard at P.S. 216 in Brooklyn, the Kew Gar
29/11/2022 • 53 minutes 6 seconds
102. Ella Fontanals-Cisneros
Ella Fontanals-Cisneros is a philanthropist, entrepreneur and collector of contemporary art. She began collecting art in the 1970s and her collection, which today has more than 2500 works, has an international profile with emblematic figures of modern and contemporary art with a focus on Latin American art. She is also cofounder of CIFO, a non-profit organization that fosters cultural exchange and enrichment of the arts. In this position, she recently worked to launch the CIFO-Ars Electronica Awards (in partnership with Ars Electronica) to advance the work of Latin American artists working with new media and technology, an underfunded area of production.
She and Zuckerman discuss spirituality, humanity, crying in front of works of art, the importance of silence, her legacy, museum decision making, how personal decision making is!!
15/11/2022 • 50 minutes 26 seconds
101. Salah M. Hassan
Dr. Salah M. Hassan is founding Director of The Africa Institute. Hassan concurrently holds positions at Cornell University as the Distinguished Professor of Arts & Sciences in African and African Diaspora Art History and Visual Culture in the Department of Africana Studies and Research Center; in the Department of History of Art and Visual Studies; and as Director of the Institute for Comparative Modernities (ICM). Hassan also served as Professor of History of Art in African and African American Studies and Fine Art at Brandeis University, where he was previously awarded the Madeleine Haas Russell Professorship in the Departments of African and Afro-American Studies and Fine Art.
Hassan is an editor and co-founder of Nka: Journal of Contemporary African Art and author, editor, and contributor to numerous other books, journals, anthologies, and exhibition catalogues. Hassan has also curated international exhibitions and Biennials including Authentic/Ex- Centric (49th
01/11/2022 • 1 hour 2 minutes 49 seconds
100. Cristina Iglesias
Cristina Iglesias is a Spanish born artist who studied Chemical Sciences at the University of the Basque Country and Ceramics and Sculpture at the Chelsea College of Art in London. Her museum exhibitions include Centro Botín, Santander, Spain; Museo Reina Sofía, Madrid; Ludwig Museum, Cologne; Whitechapel Art Gallery, London; and Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum, New York. She additionally has been commissioned to create major projects and installations at Bloomberg headquarters, London; Mexican Foundation of Environmental Education, Baja, California; Museo del Prado, Madrid; and Royal Museum of Fine Art, Antwerp, among many others.
She and Zuckerman discuss studio spaces, collaboration, being with ourselves, dreaming, constructing landscape, memory and imagination, transiting, and remembering!
18/10/2022 • 40 minutes 17 seconds
99. Kate MccGwire
This week on my podcast “Conversations About Art” I spoke with Kate MccGwire, a British sculptor who spent her childhood growing up on the Norfolk Broads. Taking feathers as her primary medium, MccGwire goes through labour-intensive processes of collecting, sorting and cleaning her materials to create muscular, writhing forms reminiscent of Classical sculpture and creatures from mythology. Through her practice, MccGwire celebrates feathers, which are commonly shed or discarded, as the medium through which she articulates enigmatic anatomies that explore physical and introspective space.
She and I discuss swimming in the river, unexpected and long term collaborations, the notion of place, tracing the practice of time, being lost, looking again at what you think you know, meditative processes, what she listens to in the studio, flow, flux, patterning and energy, the power of art, and having a weird life!
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13/10/2022 • 51 minutes 21 seconds
98. Sandra Jackson-Dumont
Sandra Jackson-Dumont is the Director and CEO of the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art. Tasked with leading the institution through its opening and beyond, she comes to the museum from the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City, where she has served as the Frederick P. and Sandra P. Rose Chairman of Education and Public Programs since 2014. Throughout her career, Jackson-Dumont has developed programming around museum collections and special exhibitions to engage a broad range of audiences. She also served for eight years as the deputy director for education and public programs and adjunct curator in modern and contemporary art at the Seattle Art Museum. Prior to that, Jackson-Dumont held positions at the Studio Museum and the Whitney Museum of American Art in New York City.
She and Zuckerman discuss misbehaving, seeing God, being in and of the world, museums as social spaces, going where you want to be, ambiguity, what’s missing from the syllabus of work, an integrated lif
04/10/2022 • 57 minutes 5 seconds
97. Moshe Safdie
Moshe Safdie is an architect, urban planner, educator, theorist, and author. In 1964 he established his own firm to realize Habitat ’67, an adaptation of his undergraduate thesis and a turning point in modern architecture. Embracing a comprehensive and humane design philosophy, Safdie is committed to architecture that is informed by the geographic, social, and cultural elements that define a place; and that responds to human needs and aspirations. Over a celebrated 50-year career, Safdie has explored the essential principles of socially responsible design with a distinct visual language. His wide range of completed projects include cultural, educational, and civic institutions; neighborhoods and public parks; housing; mixed-use urban centers and airports; and master plans for existing communities and entirely new cities. Safdie’s projects can be found in North and South America, and throughout Asia. Recent projects of note include the Jewel Changi Airport in Singapore, the Albert Ei
20/09/2022 • 49 minutes 25 seconds
KAWS engages audiences beyond the museums and galleries in which he regularly exhibits. His prolific body of work straddles the worlds of art and design to include paintings, murals, graphic and product design, street art, and large-scale sculptures. Over the last two decades KAWS’ work shows formal agility, underlying wit, irreverence, and affection for our times. His refined graphic language revitalizes figuration with both big, bold gestures and playful intricacies. KAWS often appropriates and draws inspiration from pop culture animations, forming a unique artistic vocabulary across mediums. Admired for his larger-than-life sculptures and hardedge paintings that emphasize line and color, KAWS’ cast of hybrid cartoon characters are the strongest examples of his exploration of humanity. As seen in his collaborations with global brands, KAWS’ imagery possesses a sophisticated humor and reveals a thoughtful interplay with consumer products.
He and I discuss how works of art
06/09/2022 • 45 minutes 27 seconds
95. Jérôme Sans
Jérôme Sans began his career in the early 1980s as one of the first independent curators in Europe. His mission has been to rethink contemporary art exhibition making through an engagement with emerging artists. He is the former director of the Ullens Center for Contemporary Art in Beijing, co-founder of the Palais de Tokyo in Paris, and creator, and former creative director and editor-in-chief of the French cultural magazine L’Officiel Art, former artistic director of Rives de Saône-River Movie, former co-artistic director to the Grand Paris Express project, France's largest urban redefinition through culture initiative since Haussmann, among many other accomplishments and appointments. He recently joined LAGO/ALGO, a cultural hub that blends Contemporary Art and modernist architecture in Mexico City, as artistic director.
He and Zuckerman discuss why art matters, institution building and how to make people feel welcome, what we’ve forgotten how to do in the last few years,
23/08/2022 • 43 minutes 36 seconds
94. Marianne Boesky
Marianne Boesky established her eponymous gallery in New York in 1996. Since its inception, the gallery has represented and supported the work of emerging and established contemporary artists of all media and genres. In its first decade, the gallery was instrumental in launching the careers of major artists including Barnaby Furnas, Takashi Murakami, Yoshitomo Nara, Sarah Sze, and Lisa Yuskavage. The gallery currently represents many significant international artists, including Ghada Amer, Jennifer Bartlett, Sanford Biggers, Pier Paolo Calzolari, Donald Moffett, and Frank Stella. Boesky relocated her flagship gallery from SoHo to Chelsea in 2001, and in 2016, the gallery expanded its flagship location to include its adjacent space on West 24th Street. In 2017, Boesky opened a location in Aspen, Colorado; she has organized temporary exhibition spaces in Europe and in cities across the United States.
She and Zuckerman discuss family legacy, audacity, learning from artists, ba
09/08/2022 • 50 minutes 23 seconds
93. Hebru Brantley
Hebru Brantley was born and raised in Chicago. A product of the 80's, Brantley's early inspiration to create visual art derived from the cinematic Blaxploitation and science fiction depicted in the previous decade. His affinity for mythological comic book heroes, Japanimation, and graffiti has strongly influenced his work, and eventually, he began fusing elements of urban society with pop culture. From that, he developed his own unique approach to visual art, layering youthful expression with human emotion, history, and the complexities and challenges of urban life. Brantley creates his work spontaneously and uses an array of mediums such as wood, found objects, spray paint, coffee and tea. He has designed and illustrated for media production and clothing companies and transitioned from graffiti to canvas.
He and Zuckerman discuss heroes, why it’s harder to access art than music or film, hope, Chance The Rapper, incantation, Adidas and acceptance!
26/07/2022 • 45 minutes
92. Fred Eversley
Fred Eversley’s lenses and mirrored forms reflect and refract the world, and our place within it. Eversley hit his stride with his primary mode of working at the same time the Light and Space movement gained momentum in Southern California. Yet unlike his Light and Space and Finish Fetish peers who often collaborated with scientists and outsourced fabrication of their work, Eversley’s firsthand technical understanding as a scientist himself (Eversley came to Southern California in the 1960s to work as a consulting engineer for NASA and his early career was spent with United States’ largest aerospace company during that period–Wyle Labs in Los Angeles) enabled him to utilize materials in ways that uniquely position his practice.
Eversley is the subject of a major show at The Orange County Museum of Art / OCMA when the museum
opens on October 8.
He and Zuckerman discuss science, how his work is about energy, failure, infinite possibility, climate change, working in Ne
12/07/2022 • 34 minutes 10 seconds
91. Teresita Fernandez
Teresita Fernández’s work is characterized by an interest in self-reflection and conceptual wayfinding. Her immersive, monumental works are inspired by a rethinking of landscape and place, as well as by diverse historical and cultural references. Often drawing inspiration from the natural world, Fernández’s practice unravels the intimacies between matter, places, and human beings. Her work questions power, visibility, and erasure in ways that prompt reflective engagement for individual viewers.
Fernández is a 2005 MacArthur Foundation Fellow, the recipient of numerous awards, and was appointed by President Obama as the first Latina to serve on the U.S. Commission of Fine Arts, a 100-year-old federal panel that advises the president and Congress on national matters of design and aesthetics.
She and I discuss not being a specialist, emptiness, sustainability, what lives inside of us, landscapes, vulnerability, indigenous thought, silence, not needing
28/06/2022 • 45 minutes 36 seconds
90. Sanford Biggers
Sanford Biggers creates hybridized forms that transpose, combine and juxtapose classical and historical subjects to create alternative meanings and produce what he calls “future ethnographies.” His work is an interplay of narrative, perspective, and history that speaks to current social, political, and economic happenings while also examining the contexts that bore them. His diverse practice positions him as a collaborator with the past through explorations of often-overlooked cultural and political narratives from American history.
Zuckerman curated his first one-person museum exhibition 20 years ago this year and will open the new Orange County Museum of Art with a new site specific commission. He and she discuss where ideas come from, making space, trees, transcendent moments, Buddhists and break dancers, the symphony of silence, new iconographies, where we are from, and power objects!
14/06/2022 • 50 minutes
89. Leo Villareal
Leo Villareal works with pixels and binary code to create complex, rhythmic compositions in light. His goal is to create a rich environment in which emergent behavior can occur without a preconceived outcome. His work is focused on stripping systems down to their essence to better understand the underlying structures and rules that govern how they work. He is interested in lowest common denominators such as pixels or the zeros and ones in binary code. The resulting forms move, change, interact and ultimately grow into complex organisms that are inspired by mathematician John Conway's work with cellular automata and the Game of Life. On March 5, 2013 Villareal inaugurated The Bay Lights, a 1.8-mile-long installation of 25,000 white LED lights on San Francisco’s Bay Bridge which has since become a permanent installation.
In April 2021, Villareal completed Illuminated River, which unites 9 bridges in central London into a single, monumental work of public art.
31/05/2022 • 41 minutes 6 seconds
88. Fred Tomaselli
Fred Tomaselli’s work reveals a uniquely American vision. Growing up in Southern California, he was influenced by both the manufactured unreality of theme parks and the music and drug countercultures of Los Angeles during the 1970s and 80s. His distinctive melding of these traditions coalesces in an updated, personalized, folk-driven vision of the American West. Tomaselli amasses pills, herbs and other drugs, along with images of plants, flowers, birds, and anatomical illustrations carefully cut from books. Pulling from this visual archive, Tomaselli creates baroque paintings that draw upon a range of art historical sources and decorative traditions—like quilts and mosaics. Combining these unusual materials and paint under layers of clear epoxy resin, Tomaselli’s paintings explode in mesmerizing patterns that appear to grow organically across his compositions in a multilayered coexistence of the real, the photographic, and the painterly.
Friends for nearly three decades, in
17/05/2022 • 40 minutes 20 seconds
87. Robert Nava
Robert Nava draws inspiration from sources ranging from prehistoric cave paintings to Egyptian art and cartoons to create hybrid monsters populating a mythical contemporary world. Rendered through a raw, energetic mixing of spray paint, acrylics, and grease pencil, his large-scale paintings of fantastical beasts exude a playful candidness that defies the pretensions of high art. An MFA graduate from Yale University, Nava builds on the gesturalism of Cy Twombly and Jean-Michel Basquiat.
He and Zuckerman discuss the energy he utilizes and creates, what different people see in the same imagery, the importance of heart, how he describes his own work, and of course why art matters!
03/05/2022 • 32 minutes 20 seconds
86. Seth Price
This week on my podcast “Conversations About Art” we are reissuing one of our earliest—recorded in October 2019–when I spoke with artist Seth Price. Price in addition to making paintings has designed a fashion line, written a novel, and made music.
He and I talk about the allure of being unavailable, the power of defocused thinking, creating a sound track for artists, #menswear, and skin.
19/04/2022 • 1 hour 9 minutes 54 seconds
85. Mike Kaplan
Mike Kaplan is President and CEO of Aspen Skiing Company for the last 17 years. He recently announced that after 30 years with the company, that the 2022-23 winter season would be his last at the helm of the organization. Together he and Zuckerman in a completely unprecedented, brave, and innovative way collaborated to place art by world renowned contemporary artists on all lift ticket products and to integrate art into the company in unexpected places and ways.
He and Zuckerman discuss powder days, flow state, focusing on paths to success, being taken out of your place, noble pursuits, not just skiing, a life worth living, family, and the beauty in the ordinary!
05/04/2022 • 47 minutes 31 seconds
84. Tamar Zagursky
Tamar Zagursky was born in Beer-Sheva, Israel in 1975 to an Israeli born Engineer father and an American born English teacher and translator mother. She grew up in a small town in the Negev desert and Zagursky served as a tank driver in the Israel army. From 2002 to 2020 she was the Director of Sommer Contemporary Art in Tel-Aviv, one of top galleries in Israel, curating exhibitions and representing the gallery at art fairs all over Europe and the United States. In 2029 she began to manage the studio of Guy Zagursky, a renowned Israeli sculptor and her husband. She also launched SIDDUR, an innovative line of Contemporary Judaica, all designed and produced by Guy.
She and Zuckerman discuss Judaica (ceremonial objects used in Jewish rituals), working with your life partner, organizing a table, female entrepreneurs, courage, contemporary spirituality, the value of awkwardness, and being a working mom in the art world.
22/03/2022 • 39 minutes 29 seconds
83. Christopher Lew
Christopher Y. Lew is Chief Artistic Director at Horizon Art Foundation and Outland Art. He has over fifteen years of experience working at American museums and arts nonprofits. He is a former curator at the Whitney Museum of American Art where he oversaw the emerging artist program and was co-curator of the 2017 Whitney Biennial. At the Whitney, he organized Pope.L: Choir (2019), Kevin Beasley: A view of a landscape (2018), and mounted the first US solo exhibitions for several artists. Prior to joining the Whitney, he was assistant curator at MoMA PS1. Lew has contributed to publications including Art AsiaPacific, Art Journal, Bomb, Huffington Post, and Mousse.
He and Zuckerman discuss art as a window into another world, spending time with things we don’t yet understand, being entrepreneurial, doing curatorial work in museums, being a parent, NFTs, transf
08/03/2022 • 46 minutes 31 seconds
82. Paula Cooper
Following studies in Paris, Paula Cooper (b. 1938, MA) entered the New York art world aged 21 working at the World House Galleries on the Upper East Side. In 1964 she opened the Paula Johnson Gallery, where she showed work by Walter de Maria and Bob Thompson, among others. From 1965 to 1967 Cooper served as the Director of the artist’s cooperative Park Place, whose members included Mark di Suvero, Robert Grosvenor and David Novros––artists she continues to work with today. Paula Cooper opened the first art gallery in SoHo at 96-100 Prince Street in 1968 with a benefit for the Student Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam, showing works by Carl Andre, Dan Flavin, Donald Judd, Robert Mangold and Robert Ryman, as well as Sol LeWitt’s first wall drawing. Paula Cooper Gallery moved to Wooster Street in 1973 and then to Chelsea in 1996, and has consistently shown art that is conceptually unique and visually challenging. In addition to the artistic program, the gallery has regul
22/02/2022 • 31 minutes 44 seconds
81. Katie Geminder
Katie Geminder, Co-founder & Chief of Strategy at Cent, has held senior-level strategy, product, and design roles at Amazon, Apple, Facebook, and Zynga and has advised some of the most successful startup founders in history, guiding business-critical decisions that shape company branding, messaging, user experience, product strategy, and design. She has consulted with C-suite executives at startups in a variety of verticals, including e-commerce, social media, entertainment, cyber, and blockchain.
She and Zuckerman discuss empathy, ubiquity and simultaneity, being a creator, meeting the unmet need, pattern matching, not being technical, NFT “crap,” explaining crypto, block chain and NFTs, scarcity, subjectivity and value, love of the untrained, leveling the playing field, the choice technology offers, and thinking differently.
08/02/2022 • 45 minutes 55 seconds
79. Words and Wisdom from 2021 (Part 2)
On episode 79 we close out our second year of programming the “Conversations About Art” podcast!
If you listen in you know that Heidi Zuckerman loves art and artists. And that she really enjoys impactful conversations with interesting people about things that matter.
This episode is a compilation of excerpts from 10 guests featured in 2021. Part II offers the words and wisdom of Sonja Perkins, Matty Mo, Glenn Kaino, Kemi Ilensami, and Adam Pendleton. We know you will enjoy what you hear! Thank you so much for being part of our community!
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21/12/2021 • 58 minutes 9 seconds
78. Words and Wisdom from 2021 (Part 1)
The last two episodes of 2021 celebrate two solid years of the Conversations About Art podcast with compilations of excerpts from 10 guests featured in 2021. Part I offers the words and wisdom of Nicole Perlroth, Brad Cloepfil, Lily Stockman, Allison Glenn, and Beth Pickens. In another life defining year Zuckerman expresses her profound gratitude for the time, generous conversation, and community this podcast and these conversations have afforded and created!
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07/12/2021 • 56 minutes 58 seconds
77. Jerry Garcia
Jerry Garcia is a principal at Olson Kundig since 2006. Throughout his tenure in Seattle, he has been an active instigator in the dialogue between architecture, art and the community at large. Working across a broad range of project types and scales, from 200 square-foot cabins on wheels to high-rises around the world, Jerry’s work has received numerous design awards and appeared in publications such as Architecture, Architectural Record, and Art+Auction. For Jerry, “Good architecture rewards inspection – the deeper you look, the more you see.”
He and Zuckerman discuss work being fun, the reach out, professional rebellion, not wanting to be complacent, being better, what we carry, getting to pick everyone around you, hiring people who scare you, knowing what to do, bird watching, knowing where to look, art that is barely art, not being complacent, and living different a life!
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23/11/2021 • 1 hour 6 minutes 2 seconds
76. Lily Stockman
Lily Stockman’s paintings are arrangements of biomorphic shapes, planes, and borders that draw from her affinity for the natural world and interest in the organizing principles of structure, from poetry meter to musical form. Building her linen surfaces up in layers of luminous oil, she references and borrows from influences ranging from the palette of Fra Angelico’s 15th-century frescoes, to the line work of 18th-century Rajput miniature paintings, and the compositions of 19th-century “gift drawings” made by Shaker women. Her passion for the landscapes that so deeply inform her work connects her to a lineage of American abstractionists devoted to their chosen geographic and spiritual terrain, from Agnes Martin’s Desert Southwest, to Forrest Bess’s Gulf Coast, and Myron Stout’s New England coastline.
She and I discuss a soft structure, poetry, jock rock, the mystery and comfort of painting, Shaker society, translation of the divine, keeping company, being a color shape
02/11/2021 • 1 hour 2 minutes 4 seconds
75. Lucy Bull
Lucy Bull makes visceral paintings that appeal directly to the senses. Synesthetic fields of shape and color, the paintings are described in sonic, tactile, or even emotional terms that evade rational logic and are unique to each viewer. Worlds take shape across their varied surfaces and just as quickly fall away again; similarly, just when the act of looking generates optical overload or disruptive dissonance, Bull’s accumulations of marks reveal discernible traces of planning and hard-fought negotiations with her materials, leading the viewer back toward the concrete realities of pigment, medium, and surface. As she engages in these open-ended painterly experiments, Bull makes room for both precision and abandon, inviting viewers to participate in ever-unfinished processes of creation that she choreographs but never fully controls. Born in New York in 1990, Bull now lives and works in Los Angeles.
She and I discuss planning to be late, being seated next to each other at a
19/10/2021 • 1 hour 47 seconds
74. Joost Bosland
Joost Bosland is one of the thirteen owners of Stevenson, a gallery with spaces in Cape Town and Johannesburg, and an office in Amsterdam. He has been with the gallery since a three-month internship in 2005. Among the artists Bosland works closely with at the gallery are Moshekwa Langa, Zanele Muholi, Robin Rhode, and Viviane Sassen. Stevenson opened in 2003, and currently represents 31 artists and employs 34 people. In the absence of local institutions dedicated to contemporary art, from 2005 to 2015 the gallery was instrumental in bringing international artists to South Africa, often for the first time.
He and Zuckerman discuss unrealized projects, being at it for a long time, the art world as a way of imagining a better world, making 2+2=5, existing outside of traditional centers, collective ownership, changing power dynamics, the art of being a gallerist, the A word, the nuance of representing the complex geography of Africa, soaking in people, Art Basel, finding people
05/10/2021 • 59 minutes 31 seconds
73. Sophie Chahinian
Sophie Chahinian is a filmmaker and the founder of the The Artist Profile Archive (TAPA). TAPA produces short artist documentary profiles on contemporary artists to create an archive thereby making contemporary art more accessible to wider audiences. All the films are available for free on TAPA’s website and social media channels. Her recent documentary profiles include Alexandra Grant and Robert Longo. Growing up in Los Angeles, Chahinian became interested in independent film production through her work with Light and Space artist Eric Orr in the late 1990s.
She and Zuckerman discuss the creativity of the kitchen, the effortful and effortless, commitments, discipline and schedules, changing perspectives, “just fine,” the types of questions we ask, democratizing access to art, transcendence found in art, becoming an expert, understanding who we are, the concept of the oneness, art as seduction, and defining the parameters of our own humanity!
21/09/2021 • 1 hour 2 minutes 22 seconds
72. Shlomi Rabi
Shlomi Rabi is a twenty-year veteran of the auction world. Most recently he held the position of Vice President, Head of the Photographs Department for the Americas at Christie’s, where he oversaw a record number of single-owner auctions. During his tenure in the auction industry, Shlomi closely worked on multiple institutional collaborations, which included the Museum of Modern Art, New York; Art Institute of Chicago; Aperture Foundation, and Elton John AIDS Foundation. As an immigrant from the Middle East raised in Central America, Shlomi’s passion for the arts is informed by his desire to champion and empower creatives whose vision and voices are too often marginalized.
He and Zuckerman discuss decompressing, magical places, recommendations, a vision of safe spaces, being comfortable in your own head, meditation, doing pull-ups, doing something for yourself in complete silence, mental intimacy, the privilege of making plans, manifesting emotions, patience, bu
07/09/2021 • 1 hour 2 minutes 34 seconds
71. Casey Reitz
Casey Reitz is President of the Segerstrom Center of the Arts, a multi-disciplinary cultural institution in Costa Mesa, CA, appointed in 2019. Since 2010, Reitz served as Executive Director of Second Stage Theater in New York City, winning a Tony Award as Best Musical Producer of Dear Evan Hansen in 2017, and where he successfully led the acquisition, renovation and re-opening of Broadway’s Helen Hayes Theater. With the launching of the Hayes, Second Stage became only the 4th non-profit with a permanent home on Broadway. Prior to Second Stage, Reitz was the Director of Development at The Public Theater. He holds an MFA in Theater Management from Yale University and a BA in Theatre from the University of Alabama.
He and I discuss watching the audience, experiencing the great works, suspension of disbelief, the draw of Southern California, the town square, having broad and vast ambition, being afraid to leave New York, how every detail matters, taking your wo
24/08/2021 • 1 hour 33 seconds
70. Cathy Kimball
Cathy Kimball served as Executive Director and Chief Curator of the San Jose Institute of Contemporary Art (ICA) for twenty years and planned her retirement as the ICA turned 40 in 2020. She is curating the Marcus Lyon project, "De.Coded: A Human Atlas of Silicon Valley" by the Packard Foundation, scheduled for 2022 at the ICA. Previously she held curatorial roles at the San Jose Museum of Art and the New Jersey Center for the Arts.
She and I discuss defining a curatorial legacy, knowing who to listen to, balancing a career and a life, prioritizing family, graceful exits, mentoring a team, serving a community, and how good it feels to create a space for artists!
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10/08/2021 • 57 minutes 41 seconds
69. Aparajita Jain
Aparajita Jain is the co-director of Nature Morte Art Limited since 2012, when she bought a controlling interest in the leading contemporary art gallery. She is also the Founder of terrain.art, India’s first blockchain powered art platform and co-founder of India’s first international sculpture park with the Government of Rajasthan, in Jaipur. She was listed as one among eight influential women in the Indian art world by ARTSY, one of 30 influential women in the art world by ELLE magazine, amongst the 51 art people changing the art world by Observer and amongst the top 100 creatives in India by Harper's Bazaar.
She and Zuckerman discuss working in the arts in India, different realities, whether all artists should be judged by the same standards, taking chances, artists as activists, NFTs as social equalizers, developing a virtual eco system for the arts and democratizing art in India, that it is ok to upset people, being at the edge of the past and the future, the art scene
27/07/2021 • 1 hour 2 minutes 42 seconds
68. Sonja Hoel Perkins
Sonja Hoel Perkins invests in people and companies that matter. She is the founder of The Perkins Fund, Project Glimmer and Broadway Angels. Project Glimmer inspires every girl to envision and realize her empowered future. Broadway Angels is a network of top female venture capitalists and entrepreneurs. Sonja has been a venture capitalist for over 30 years and was named one of the “Top Most Powerful People in Global Finance”. Sonja serves on the boards of Mercy BioAnalytics, Project Glimmer, The Pristine Mind Foundation and The Center for Politics at The University of Virginia.
She and Zuckerman discuss being included, letting your mind rest, happiness as a choice, being honorable, trusting your gut, buying art that hurts a little bit, not needing to be the expert, how hard work is a habit, a sense of connected decisions, paying attention, being kind to yourself, and how your number one advocate is yourself!!
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29/06/2021 • 58 minutes 22 seconds
67. Kemi Ilesanmi
Kemi Ilesanmi has been a DMV clerk, receptionist, business school dropout, Minnesota State Fair ribbon winner, museum curator, foundation officer, and now Executive Director of The Laundromat Project, a NYC arts nonprofit that advances artists and neighbors as change agents in their own communities. She cares about cultural and community care, #BlackLivesMatter, and all things Obama.
She and Zuckerman discuss issues of well-being and taking a sabbatical, what makes you a happier person, actual and false urgency, bringing people together, purpose and what makes sense, showing ourselves to ourselves, defining what love means, the superpower of being vulnerable, what questions we ask, naming, allowing emotion to be part of the work, and love as a radical place of power!
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15/06/2021 • 56 minutes 44 seconds
66. Jeanne Greenberg Rohatyn
Jeanne Greenberg Rohatyn is a gallerist, art advisor, and independent curator. A fierce activist, she is committed to feminist and progressive ideas and a belief in art’s power to bring about social change. Greenberg Rohatyn founded her first gallery space in 2002, later adding venues on the Bowery in 2007 and 2010. Known for breaking hierarchies between design and high art, in 2017, she founded Salon 94 Design. She has championed artists such as Huma Bhabha, Judy Chicago, Katy Grannan, David Hammons, Lyle Ashton Harris, and Betty Woodman among many others.
She and Zuckerman discuss a shared love of architecture, growing up in a house of art, being a practicing feminist, hiding in the bathroom with Andy Warhol, the goal and impact of “see better”, the relationship of art and justice, how we want story tellers now, loving looking at art, being elegant in transitions, exhibition making, being a business partner to artists, how she chooses artists, learning from her father,
01/06/2021 • 1 hour 1 minute 22 seconds
65. Magnus Resch
Magnus Resch is an art-market economist, serial entrepreneur, and bestselling author, as well as a Professor for art management, lecturing at Yale University. He holds a Ph.D. in economics and studied at Harvard, the LSE and University of St. Gallen. His career has been portrayed in a Harvard Business School case study and in various articles with the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Vanity Fair, and the Financial Times.
He and I discuss the difference between the art world and the art market, why artists should spend less time in their studios, finding a niche, how to make money, talent not mattering, the subjectiveness of art, collecting art at the age of 16, 100 secrets of the art world, that 90% of all artwork costs less than $10,000, and at what value art can be considered an investment!
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18/05/2021 • 59 minutes 9 seconds
64. Beth Pickens
Beth Pickens is a Los Angeles-based consultant for artists and arts organizations. Since 2010 she has provided career consultation, grant writing, fundraising, and financial, project, and strategic planning services for artists and arts organizations throughout the U.S. She understands artists as people who are deeply, profoundly compelled to be creatively engaged. She is the author of Make Your Art No Matter What: Moving Beyond Creative Hurdles, published in 2021, and Your Art Will Save Your Life, published in 2018.
She and I discuss working with artists, how life is hard, having an extra soul, returning to yourself, death, God wrestling, spiritual practice, soul traits: patience, silence and responsibility, awesome fear, durations projects, zero room for regret, and a guide for living!
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04/05/2021 • 56 minutes 45 seconds
63. Nicole Perlroth
Nicole Perlroth covers cybersecurity and digital espionage for The New York Times. She has covered Russian hacks of nuclear plants, airports, and elections, North Korea's cyberattacks against movie studios, banks and hospitals, Iranian attacks on oil companies, banks and the Trump campaign and hundreds of Chinese cyberattacks, including a months-long hack of The Times. Her first book, “This Is How They Tell Me The World Ends,” about the global cyber arms race, was published in February 2021. The book, and several of her Times articles, have been optioned for television. A Bay Area native, Ms. Perlroth is a guest lecturer at the Stanford Graduate School of Business and a graduate of Princeton University and Stanford University.
She and Zuckerman discuss moving to California, choosing to leave an enviable position, naming and shaming, Chinese and Russian hackers and hackers for hire, vulnerabilities, being a story teller, zero days, spy agencies, being a target, managin
20/04/2021 • 1 hour 4 minutes 23 seconds
62. Allison M. Glenn
Allison M. Glenn is a curator and writer deeply invested in working closely with artists to develop ideas, artworks, and exhibitions that respond to and transform our understanding of the world. She is an Associate Curator, Contemporary Art at Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art, and she curates exhibitions across the contemporary program at Crystal Bridges and the Momentary, a new contemporary art space and satellite of Crystal Bridges. Prior to working at Crystal Bridges, she was the Manager of Publications and Curatorial Associate for Prospect New Orleans’ international art triennial Prospect.4.
She and Zuckerman discussed regionalism, the center becoming the periphery, cultural exchange, being stewards of the institutions we work for, ambitious projects, identifying key stakeholders first, Amy Sherald’s portrait of Breonna Taylor, the limits to what exhibitions can do, not yet having actually seen things we think we have, not knowing what we think we kn
06/04/2021 • 1 hour 3 minutes 42 seconds
61. Glenn Kaino
Glenn Kaino is an American conceptual artist based in Los Angeles. By integrating innovative methodologies with established art historical traditions, Kaino orchestrates spectacular aesthetic phenomena that engage with, and offer critical commentary on the collective contemporary consciousness. His oeuvre is omnidisciplinary. It predominantly includes sculpture, painting, filmmaking, performance, installation, and large scale public work. His practice is fundamentally idea based. As an art student in the 1990s at UC Irvine and UC San Diego, Kaino adopted a layered, philosophical approach to art making. Simultaneously, he also immersed him self in the study of computers and digital technology. His practice includes mesmerizing and substantial creations and collaborations within the internet, entertainment and communications industries.
He and Zuckerman discuss putting together things that would otherwise be irreconcilable, Jerry Adams and the spirit of the resistance, John L
23/03/2021 • 54 minutes 17 seconds
60. Alia Ali
Alia Ali works between photography, video, and installation, addressing the politicization of the body, histories of colonization, imperialism, sexism, and racism through projects that take pattern and textile as their primary motif. Textile has been a constant in her practice, and she has recently begun making her own patterns and prints. Her work is also informed by discourses of criminality, Yemeni Futurism, and feminist theory, drawing upon stories including the nostalgic past of the Queen of Sheba.
She and Zuckerman discuss indigenous symbolism, what is threatening, how to use beauty, vanishing countries, shifts of allegiance, abduction of stories, the weight of a job, self imposed responsibilities, language and truth, being seen the way you want to be seen, inclusion and exclusion and the power of photography, having an actual tribe, ancestral knowledge, who owns the red star, the occupying of myths, and radically imagined possibilities for the future!
16/03/2021 • 55 minutes 26 seconds
59. Matty Mo
Matty Mo is a conceptual artist and technology entrepreneur best known for creating, "The Most Famous Artist." Through this platform, Matty Mo and his global community of multidisciplinary creators make installations, stunts, and exhibitions that drive culture and penetrate the mainstream media.
He and Zuckerman discuss the most famous artist community, $ART coin, performance versus conceptual versus stunt art, NFTs, monoliths, and what happens to people who apologize!
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09/03/2021 • 54 minutes 47 seconds
58. Rebecca Anne Proctor
Rebecca Anne Proctor is a journalist, presenter, and consultant who writes on culture, cultural policy, contemporary affairs, international relations, the art market, art exhibitions, luxury, fashion, food, hotels and travel for Arab News, Artnet, The Forward, Frieze, Vogue Arabia, Wallpaper, ArtNews, The National, Galerie Magazine, T Emirates: The New York Times Style Magazine, Bloomberg Businessweek Middle East, the BBC, and many others. In April 2018 she moderated a panel at the Culture Summit in Abu Dhabi on Emerging Trends in the Arts and Media Worldwide. And in March 2018 she appeared as a judge on Fashion Star Season 3, Reem Acra’s hit reality TV series for emerging Arab fashion designers in Beirut. She has also advised numerous artists, galleries, architects and art collectors, in the MENA and African regions.
She and Zuckerman discuss having a “glamorous” life, not knowing what to call yourself, art as a means to know what is going to happen, cultural cross roads,
02/03/2021 • 59 minutes 48 seconds
57. Sarah Sutton
Sarah Sutton is Principal of Sustainable Museums. For three decades she has worked in the museum field with a specific focus on climate awareness in the cultural sector. Sutton works with the leadership of individual institutions as they prepare and launch mission-specific climate initiatives, or plan more strategic engagement with initiatives around environmental sustainability and climate resilience.
She and Zuckerman discuss museums and the climate crisis, Helen Frankenthaler and her values, LEED certification and the early aught building boom, climate, Covid, economics and equity, “just” doing what we do, how to surface answers you don’t know, how art documents climate change, opening the science-based discussion on climatization of museum collections, the push that funding allows, the risk of action but also non-action, carbon offsets, and how a single person can make major things happen at an institution!
23/02/2021 • 1 hour 34 seconds
56. Lynn Goldsmith
Lynn Goldsmith is more than the “Rock and Roll photographer” of Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, Keith Richards, and so many others. She has made kind, collaborative, and keenly perceptive portraits of world leaders like John Lewis, John McCain, and Jane Goodall. She is an artist who works in photography, painting, performance, spoken word and released “Will Powers” on Island Records in 1983.
Goldsmith and Zuckerman discuss learning instead of judging, seeing more than what other people can see, the camera as a tool for answers, portrait photographers as psychologists, control, pattern interrupts, having a limited amount of time, breaking limitations, having a platform, taking pictures of beloved musical icons, the power of dress, confronting and utilizing our fears, making life lighter, and why hard work matters!
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16/02/2021 • 56 minutes 30 seconds
55. David Glasser
David Glasser is the two decade Chairman & CEO of the Ben Uri Gallery and Museum in the U.K. and oversaw its recreation as the first full-scale virtual art museum and research center. Ben Uri Gallery and Museum was founded in 1915 in Whitechapel's Jewish ghetto in the East End of London, by émigré Russian artist Lazar Berson who previously exhibited with Chagall in Paris. In 2000, a new strategic direction was built around scholarship and expanding the remit from solely Jewish artists by incorporating the wider, diverse immigrant artist experience in Britain since 1900.
Glasser and Zuckerman discuss the Bezalel Academy of Art and Design and the founding goal, museum relevancy in the 21st century, defining distinctive strength, doing a collections audit, being a public benefit, women refugees to the UK post WWII, a safe house for artists, a 24% female artist collection, mainstreaming a museum strategy, how few people actually visit some physical museums, why a digital mu
09/02/2021 • 1 hour 1 minute 16 seconds
54. Thenjiwe Niki Nkosi
Thenjiwe Niki Nkosi is a South African-American painter and multi-media artist. Her work investigates power and its structures – political, social, architectural. Implicit in her examination of these structures is an interrogation of the invisible forces that create them, and an imagining of alternatives. She sees her subject choices as monuments to ideologies, referring to her architecture painting as “portraits” and her human portraits as “figures.”
Nkosi and Zuckerman discuss the practice of being a parent, making things, going “back” places, the narrative of the return home, the faces on money, the struggle for freedom, doing work that matters, who gets celebrated and why, remembering people aloud, gymnastics and exactness, different definitions of blackness, the tender space of art, the risk of creating art, behavior, movement, and allowing ourselves to be an evolving being!
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02/02/2021 • 1 hour 1 minute 43 seconds
53. Erica Keswin
Erica Keswin is a workplace strategist who has worked for the past twenty years with some of the most iconic brands in the world as a consultant, speaker, author, and professional dot-connector. Her first book, Bring Your Human to Work: Ten Sure-Fire Ways to Design a Workplace That’s Good for People, Great for Business, and Just Might Change the World, published in 2018 was a best-seller. Her next book, Rituals Roadmap: The Human Way to Transform Everyday Routines Into Workplace Magic is out now.
Keswin and Zuckerman discuss tasting coffee, routines versus rituals, reflecting our values, family dinner, working moms, being a connector, personal missions, looking into each other’s personal spaces, bringing your whole self to work, things that make you feel most like you, a sense of purpose, priorities, being open, doing without a known return, and honoring relationships!
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26/01/2021 • 1 hour 1 minute 59 seconds
52. Brad Cloepfil
Brad Cloepfil founded Allied Works in 1994 in Portland, Oregon. Since 2000, the practice has grown steadily through the completion of major museum projects, innovative educational facilities, residences and workplaces of diverse scale, purpose and character. Allied Works was established to engage artists, builders, and thinkers in a collective pursuit of new expression. Their ethic is boundless curiosity and uncommon commitment to creating beautiful, moving, and meaningful work.
Cloepfil and Zuckerman discuss architecture, the impact of geography on creativity, ritual practice, “the Robert Frost of architects,” the role of the room, finding an architecture you don’t yet know, that the building is never subject nor the answer, the truth and possibilities of beauty, making contemporary relevant spiritual space, the need for God, where ethical conversations can occur, the discipline of listening, the transcendent, hell yeses!
19/01/2021 • 1 hour 41 seconds
51. Adam Pendleton
Pulling from a wide range of mediums including collage, painting, writing, printmaking, video, and publishing, Adam Pendleton utilizes language as his primary tool, recontextualizing appropriated imagery to shed light on underrepresented historical narratives. He is particularly interested in social resistance and avant-garde artistic movements and has synthesized a variety of practices under the rubric of "Black Dada,” a term borrowed from the poet Amiri Baraka. This year Pendleton will present Who Is Queen, a major new project in the atrium of The Museum of Modern Art, New York.
Pendleton and Zuckerman discuss preventing unnecessary distraction, the fact and shape of time, the urgency of art, being a curious being, chaos as a means of meaning making, historical mashups, the regression of social interaction, the responsibility of living, what do you do with your life, art in America, and what he feels good about!
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12/01/2021 • 58 minutes 3 seconds
50. Words and Wisdom from 2020 (Part II)
In Episode 50 of “Conversations About Art,” Heidi Zuckerman introduces excerpts from 14 episodes featured in the second half of 2020. We hear the words and wisdom of Sam Falls, Jen Guidi, Bharti Kher, Christopher Bedford, Guerilla Girls, Noah Horowitz, Michelle Maccarone, Christian Lutien, Daniel Arsham, Sean Green, Ricky Gates, Patrick Steel and Pete McBride! As stated previously, in what was indisputably the wildest, most unexpected, isolating, surprising, and also strangely hopeful year, Zuckerman expresses her profound gratitude for the time, generous conversation, and community this podcast and these conversations have afforded and created! This is part two of a two part extended episode of “Conversations About Art.”
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05/01/2021 • 1 hour 40 seconds
49. Words and Wisdom from 2020 (Part I)
This final episode of 2020 pulls together excerpts from 15 episodes featured in the first half of 2020. We listen to the words and wisdom of Rich Roll, Mary Weatherford, Seth Price, Christina Quarles, Hank Willis Thomas, Tom Sachs, Richard Phillips, Helen Molesworth, Lance Armstrong, Amy Cappellazzo, JiaJia Fei, John Hickenlooper, Dennis Scholl, Richard Betts, and Kara Goldin. In what was indisputably the wildest, most unexpected, isolating, surprising, and also strangely hopeful year, Zuckerman expresses her profound gratitude for the time, generous conversation, and community this podcast and these conversations have afforded and created!
This is part one of a two part extended episode of “Conversations About Art.”
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29/12/2020 • 1 hour 6 minutes 31 seconds
48. Ralph Steadman
Ralph Steadman is a UK satirist, artist, cartoonist, illustrator, and writer whose work is synonymous with the counterculture of the 1970s. Renowned for his collaborations with iconic American writer Hunter S. Thompson, he formed an unlikely duo that created "Gonzo" journalism. This lifelong collaboration included the now-legendary Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, originally published in Rolling Stone magazine, which has since become a cult classic. The subject of numerous books and documentaries, at 84 he still turns his keen and critical eye to politicians and popular culture.
He and I discuss nude models, the British tradition of cartooning, his first meeting with Hunter S. Thompson, American Presidential politics, suicide, pre-planning memorials, the Gonzo fist, fax machines, Travis Scott, dirty water drawings, animals, passing over and God, Sigmund Freud, Leonardo da Vinci, Johnny Depp, learning to draw, and cremation. A bonus of this podcast is not only hearing h
22/12/2020 • 1 hour 6 minutes 59 seconds
47. Melissa Cowley Wolf
Melissa Cowley Wolf is the Founder of MCW Projects. With 20 years of experience in philanthropy and programming for cultural institutions across the United States, she is dedicated to re-imagining and democratizing cultural philanthropy to better engage diverse generations and audiences as well as to expanding the next generation of cultural philanthropists, advocates, and audiences. Melissa is also the Director of the Arts Funders Forum, an advocacy, media, convening, and research platform designed to increase private support for arts and culture. Melissa was recently named to the Artnet 2020 Innovators List as one of 51 global innovators transforming the art industry.
She and I discuss creating intimacy through technology, building communities, increasing private giving to the arts, telling stories about what matters, political art, trust, relevancy, urgency, and the essentiality of art and artists, generational shifts in understanding philanthropy, impact giving, optimism
15/12/2020 • 1 hour 10 minutes 52 seconds
46. Bharti Kher
Bharti Kher’s art gives form to quotidian life and its daily rituals in a way that reassesses and transforms their meaning to yield an air of magical realism. Living and working in Delhi, India and born and raised in the U.K., her use of found objects is informed by her own position as an artist located between geographic and social milieus. Her way of working is exploratory: surveying, looking, collecting, and transforming. Her chimeras, mythical monsters, and allegorical tales combine references that are at once topical and traditional, political and poetic.
She and I discuss geeky science stuff, markers of time, the beauty of imperfection, freeing things from themselves, the interest of difference, neither/nor, following intuition, how to see, the intrinsic intelligence of our bodies, Joseph Campbell, being a teacher to yourself, two things that are actually one thing, motherhood, and the most profound parts of ourselves!
Joseph Campbell - <a hr
08/12/2020 • 58 minutes 29 seconds
45. Alison Sokol Blosser
Alison Sokol Blosser is Co-President, CEO & Second Generation Winegrower of Sokol Blosser. Sokol Blosser was founded in 1971 when her parents Susan Sokol and Bill Blosser planted their first vines in the Dundee Hills AVA (American Viticultural Area) of the Willamette Valley. At the time, there was no wine industry in Oregon. Today, with over 700 wineries and more than 30,000 acres of planted vineyards, Oregon has grown exponentially and its wines are available throughout the world. Sokol Blosser has survived, grown and prospered as a family-owned and run operation, and has been a key part of developing and shaping Oregon’s now prominent wine industry.
She and Zuckerman discuss the pull of a family business, being a farmer, the reality of a glamorous profession, picking the grapes at the exact right time, hand versus land, the definition of an estate wine, the magic to being on site, connecting wine and memory, loving bubbles, taking care of and nurturing
01/12/2020 • 1 hour 34 seconds
44. Sam Falls
Sam Falls is contemporary American artist whose boundary-defying work applies artistic processes to natural phenomena. The resulting paintings, prints, sculptures, and videos, often insert organic structures into art and man-made objects into nature. "We change the work by being present, and the work changes us by being present,” the artist has said. “We are breaking down and being built up, just like every moment." Falls works intimately with the fundamentals of nature and the transience of life that art best addresses.
He and I discussed the intimacy of nature, the best part of making art, the ambiguous space between the inside and outside worlds, what artists he looks to for solace (we love the same ones!), his rain works, place, extended time, and the hand of nature, the challenges of choosing, anxiety, the parental bond, listening to music on repeat, and what helps with the darkness.
Julia Kristeva - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Julia-Kr
24/11/2020 • 1 hour 22 seconds
43. Christopher Bedford
Christopher Bedford is the Director of the Baltimore Museum of Art, appointed in May 2016. Prior to joining the BMA, Bedford led the Rose Art Museum at Brandeis University in Massachusetts for four years. In November 2019, it was announced that the Baltimore Museum of Art would only purchase works made by female-identifying artists in 2020 as part of an effort to work towards “re-correcting the canon.”
He and I discuss what putting art in the basement means, the decency and care of John Waters, reliance on attendance as revenue, living our principles in museums, philosophies of deaccessioning, the Sotheby’s auction on October 28, 2020, the urgency of caring for museum staff, having too much art while being undercapitalized, how museums can be relevant today, the importance of close listening, what a civic museum could look like, and art that gives you an otherwise impossible idea!
Lisa Yuskavage x Aspen Art Museum - <a href="https://www.aspen
17/11/2020 • 57 minutes 16 seconds
42. Noah Horowitz
Noah Horowitz is Director Americas for Art Basel since 2015. He is based in New York and is in charge of Art Basel’s show in Miami Beach. Horowitz holds a PhD in art history from the Courtauld Institute of Art, London. His doctoral thesis, Art of the Deal: Contemporary Art in a Global Financial Market, was published by the Princeton University Press in 2011. Previously he was managing director of The Armory Show in New York from 2011 until 2015. And prior to this, in 2009 he became Director of VIP Art Fair, a first-ever virtual international art fair.
We discuss the intimacies of zoom, living with a blanket of uncertainty, positive intelligence, the first online art fair, the rhythm and consistency of the art world calendar, details of the art market report, what is good and great in the contemporary art, being cultural explorers and speaking the global language of art, and with gratitude for it—the continuous ability to be moved by art.
10/11/2020 • 1 hour 11 minutes 18 seconds
41. Pete McBride
Pete McBride is a Native Coloradan who has spent two decades studying the world with a camera. A self-taught photographer, filmmaker, writer, and public speaker, he has traveled on assignment to over 75 countries for the National Geographic Society, Smithsonian, Google, The Nature
Conservancy, and others. After a decade documenting remote expeditions from Everest to Antarctica, McBride decided to focus his cameras closer to home on a subject closer to his heart—his backyard river, the Colorado. His latest project replaced rafting with walking—a lot of it. Over the course of a year, McBride hiked the entire length of Grand Canyon National Park — over 750 miles without a trail — to highlight development challenges facing this iconic landscape. After completing the journey, National Geographic named him and his hiking companion “Adventurers of the Year.”
He and Zuckerman discuss solitude, silence as the think tank of the soul, his decibel reading hobby, meditation as a way
03/11/2020 • 1 hour 8 minutes 11 seconds
40. Sean Green
Sean Green is the CEO and Founder of Arternal. Arternal helps art dealers better monetize their relationships. Born in Jamaica and raised in Toronto, Green has cultivated his entrepreneurialism since watching his mom run the family maid service. With a background in computer science, his previous start up connected homeowners to quality contractors.
He and Zuckerman discuss the business of art from the collector’s perspective, the Wayfair ruling, caring about art surviving and thriving, entrepreneurial passion, his mom as a mentor, being a black founder in the artworld, focusing on data, David Leggett and Ebecho Muslimova, Clubhouse, their shared love of warm water, and how is art like medicine for your mind!
Arternal - https://www.arternal.com
The Social Dilemma - film
Steve Miller - co founder
David Leggett - https://davidleggettart.com/ho
27/10/2020 • 57 minutes 47 seconds
39. Patrick Steel
Patrick Steel is the CEO of POLITICO, which strives to be the dominant source for politics and policy in power centers across every continent where access to reliable information, non-partisan journalism and real-time tools creates, informs, and engages a global citizenry. Previously Steel spent 16 years as an investment banker and before that served in the Clinton White House.
He and Zuckerman discuss seeing America through a political campaign, the importance of relationships in building careers, Hilary Clinton’s emails as art, being an extrovert, what transformational leadership looks like, go to questions, the profound impact of the technological revolution, taking strategic bets, compromise, and his predictions for the US Presidential election on November 3, 2020!
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20/10/2020 • 1 hour 15 minutes 56 seconds
38. Guerrilla Girls
The Guerrilla Girls is an anonymous group of feminist, female artists devoted to fighting sexism and racism within the art world. The group formed in New York City in 1985 with the mission of bringing gender and racial inequality into focus within the greater arts community. The group employs cultural jamming in the form of posters, books, billboards, and public appearances to expose discrimination and corruption. To remain anonymous, members don gorilla masks and use pseudonyms that refer to deceased female artists. Their identities are concealed because issues matter more than individual identities, they want the focus to be on the issues, not on their personalities or their own work.
Guerrilla Girls member Käthe Kollwitz and Zuckerman discuss facts, writing museum wall labels, the power of killer statistics, how Guerrilla Girls get added, changing people’s minds, being intersectional feminists, broadening museum collections, and how the further you get from New York the
13/10/2020 • 1 hour 5 minutes 45 seconds
37. Paul Becker
Paul Becker is the Founder and CEO of Art Money. He is an art entrepreneur passionate about empowering people to engage with art through building a sustainable creative economy. Art Money is a global fin-tech helping buy and sell art through a win-win business model, partnering with over 1,000 galleries globally, in the US, Australia, and New Zealand.
He and Zuckerman talked about his business model, the current state of the art world, where there are opportunities, collecting art as an addiction, and how an experience with a work of art can change your life!
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06/10/2020 • 1 hour 5 minutes 12 seconds
36. Michelle Maccarone
Michelle Maccarone is the founder of eponymous gallery Maccarone. Shortly after 9/11 Maccarone opened in an unorthodox space in a remote neighborhood with no other galleries around. From the beginning, the gallery was an outlier in every way. It was artist-driven and grew out of conversations. It was more of a concept, or a laboratory for experimentation, that didn’t quite fit the traditional model of an art gallery. Recently the gallery's focus is beyond IRL exhibitions as a creative brand that not only manages artists and produces special projects, but also collaborates with venues and corporate partners to create experiences outside of the physical gallery space.
She and Zuckerman talked about art collecting as hoarding, the unlimited possibilities of working digitally, art as a world practice instead of a studio practice, the grand idea, the conceptual gesture of putting art on Ebay and Pornhub, upending artworld protocols, art in transition, fear of art, and free
29/09/2020 • 1 hour 2 minutes 13 seconds
35. Jennifer Guidi
Jennifer Guidi is an artist known for her radiant, mandala-like paintings that incorporate sand, oil, and acrylic paint. Her work is an exploration of color, light, and texture, finding symmetry in opposition. The result of Guidi's compositions is both contemporary and timeless.
She and Zuckerman talked about the attitude needed to make art, finding the perfect place, TikTok and home ec, meditation as a creative resource, how to empty everything out, the input and output of energy, mark making, and the courage and patience of finding your voice.
Massimo de Carlo “Virtual Space” - https://www.massimodecarlo.com/gallery/10/vspace
The Jewish Museum - https://thejewishmuseum.org
Peter Doig - https://www.moma.org/artists/8087
Magdalena Frimkess - <a href="https://hammer.ucla
22/09/2020 • 57 minutes 55 seconds
34. Rickey Gates
Rickey Gates has been described as a “conceptual runner” combining the practice of endurance running with the artistic mediums of photography and writing. After nearly a decade competing on a national and international mountain, trail and ultra running circuit, he took his love for ultra-endurance, storytelling and photography to his project-based runs that have included a run across America, every single street in San Francisco and currently the 50 classic trails of North America. His debut book Cross Country and feature-length film TransAmericana chronicle his 3,700 mile journey across the United States.
He and Zuckerman discuss forced meditation, the poetry of the untaken URL, running to find a clean and safe mental state, why there is never too much, and how it is a luxury to suffer!
Tom Simpson - https://www.rapha.cc/us/en_US/stories/discovering-th
15/09/2020 • 1 hour 2 minutes 16 seconds
33. Katherine Metz
Katherine Metz is one of the most visible spokespersons of the art of Feng Shui in the United States, introducing Feng Shui into mainstream western culture with her lucid and practical conveyance of its sometimes esoteric philosophies. Her focus is the art and science of creating a healthy home and workplace. Metz created Feng Shui Storyboard, an interactive membership where she shares one compelling Feng Shui mystery every month. She explains the tools and techniques used to solve these mysteries; honed from her 30 years of experience as a floor plan detective and 25 years of mastering the teachings of H. H. Grandmaster Professor Lin Yun.
She and Zuckerman discuss being a rule breaker, which houses lead to divorce, the five types of people, how inspiration is knowing beyond logic, and the courage to ask the right question.
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08/09/2020 • 1 hour 3 minutes 33 seconds
32. Kulapat Yantrasast
Kulapat Yantrasast is a thought-leader and practitioner in the fields of architecture, art, and design. Originially from Thailand and now based in Los Angeles, he is the founding partner and Creative Director of wHY, a multidisciplinary design practice organized into dedicated workshops: Buildings, Landscape, Museums, Objects, and Ideas. His museum projects include the Grand Rapids Art Museum, the expansion of the Speed Art Museum in Louisville, KT, gallery design and planning for Harvard Art Museums and the Art Institute of Chicago, and currently a major gallery renovation of the Rockefeller Wing of the Metrop
01/09/2020 • 56 minutes 36 seconds
31. Philip Tinari
Philip Tinari is a notable writer, critic, art curator, and expert in Chinese contemporary art. Based in Beijing since 2001, Tinari is currently director and CEO of the UCCA Center for Contemporary Art (UCCA) in Beijing.
In an emotional and raw conversation he and Zuckerman discussed the realities of living in China and the deteriorating relations between our countries, radical precarity, key rituals of the art world, objects crossing borders that people no longer can, what translation enables, whether globalization is actually inevitable, fragility and gratitude.
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25/08/2020 • 56 minutes 45 seconds
30. Christian Luiten
Christian Luiten is a founder in 2015 of Avant Arte, an online platform for the next generation of collectors, which has 2M followers on Instagram. Their goal is to help make great art radically more accessible for their generation. International media reports refer to Avant Arte as "one of the most influential online art blogs” and Christian was named to the Forbes 30 under 30 list last year.
He and Zuckerman discuss finding art through hip-hop, mashing together artists and others, building a business on Instagram, Doug Aitken, and how to make art more popular!
Avant Arte - https://avantarte.com/
Kanye West album cover collabs - https://garage.vice.com/en_us/article/d3kxxz/a-brief-history-of-kanye-west-album-artwork
Jay Z “Picasso Baby” - <a href="https://www.universal-music.de/jayz/videos/picasso-
18/08/2020 • 58 minutes 10 seconds
29. Michael Chow
Michael Chow is a Chinese-born British-American restaurateur, interior designer, former actor, art collector, father, and artist. He is the co-founder and owner of the Mr. Chow restaurant chain. His father was one of China's most famous actors of his time and the leading figure at the Peking Opera. His mother came from a wealthy family whose fortune had been made in tea. He was sent to a British boarding school when he was 12 and spent his adolescence in Europe; after arriving in London in 1952, he was never able to speak to nor see his father again. He has been married four times, and he has four children.
M, Mr. Chow, and Zuckerman discuss the theater of restaurants, being a permanent refugee, painting, other artists including Jean Michel Basquiat, Leonardo Da Vinci and Jeff Koons, being humble in front of God, falling in love, and his 10 Commandments of art.
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11/08/2020 • 57 minutes 6 seconds
28. Patricia Miller
Patricia Miller is a visionary manufacturing leader, driving growth and innovation at M4. Under her leadership, M4 was named an Inc 5000 Fastest Growing Company two years in a row. In 2018, Patricia was named to Crain’s Chicago 40 under 40 honoree. Four years ago, Patricia left a successful career in the biotech space to return to her manufacturing roots. She decided to buy her grandpa’s failing business and run it like a start-up, using everything she had learned from her Fortune 500 career in marketing, her passion for entrepreneurship and her creative eye for design to turn M4 into a new kind of maker. She and Zuckerman discuss both morning and evening rituals and how to bookend a work day, her practice of “dating” each new city that she moves to, introducing the importance of art and design to people definitely not originally open to it, and all the things she loves!
04/08/2020 • 57 minutes 49 seconds
27. Alisha Wormsley
Alisha B. Wormsley is an interdisciplinary artist and cultural producer based in Pittsburgh, PA, USA. Her work is about collective memory and the synchronicity of time, specifically through the stories of women of color. She states her work is "the future, and the past, and the present, simultaneously. Wormsley has an MFA in Film and Video from Bard College and was awarded the Postdoctoral Research fellowship in art at Carnegie Mellon University. She and Zuckerman discuss motherhood, artist moms, and how to help; matriarchal mystery spaces, reciprocity and agreements, and the release found in spirituality.
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28/07/2020 • 58 minutes 8 seconds
26. Paul Laster
Paul Laster is a writer, editor, curator, artist and lecturer. He is a contributing editor at ArtAsiaPacific and Whitehot Magazine of Contemporary Art and writer for Time Out New York, Harper’s Bazaar Arabia, Galerie Magazine, Sculpture, Cultured, Architectural Digest, Surface, and others. He started The Daily Beast’s art section, and was art editor of Russell Simmons’ OneWorld Magazine. We discuss the punk movement, MoMA’s film program, the business of being an artist, the global art scene, how to pitch story ideas, trust, and things we don’t like.
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21/07/2020 • 1 hour 16 seconds
25. Esther Kim Varet
Esther Kim Varet is the founder of Various Small Fires, a gallery established in 2012 with locations in Los Angeles, California and Seoul, South Korea. VSF focuses primarily on emerging and established American artists, in particular those with practices relating to social justice, climate activism, identity politics, and alternative modalities of visual art production and consumption. She and Zuckerman discuss innovative strategies for the new now, not having her name on the door, Inclusivity, her idea for a crate library, and being a working mom in the art world. *Episode removed at the request of the guest.
14/07/2020 • 10 seconds
24. Daniel Arsham
Daniel Arsham straddles the line between art, architecture, and performance. He makes architecture do things that it’s not supposed to. From casting contemporary objects in volcanic ash as if found on some future archaeological site to collaborating with Merce Cunningham, Robert Wilson, and Pharrell Williams to founding Snarkitecture, Arsham brings experimentation, historical inquiry, playfulness, and wit to everything he does. He and Zuckerman discuss the dislocation of time, geological forms of growth, allowing for chance, the relationship between collaboration and expanding audience, and doing things that are hard!
Camera sculpture “Future Relic 02” - https://www.danielarsham.com/shop/camera
MOCA Miami - https://mocanomi.org
Merce Cunningham - https://www.mercecunningham.org
Adidas x Daniel Arsham
07/07/2020 • 51 minutes 27 seconds
23. Yves Béhar
Yves Béhar, Founder and Principal Designer of fuseproject, is a designer, educator, and entrepreneur who believes that integrated product, brand, and experience design are the cornerstones of any business. He is also the two-time recipient of the INDEX Award, making him the only designer to have received the prestigious award twice. Yves is an industry veteran at the forefront of entrepreneurial venture design, co-founding August, FORME Life, and Canopy. He and Zuckerman discuss opportunity, how we can change the way we live, the importance of meaning in life, the generosity and humanity of design, creating memorable moments, and his love of dreamers!
Fuseproject - https://www.fuseproject.com/
One Laptop Per Child - https://fuseproject.com/work/olpc-xo-laptop
See Better To Learn Better - <a href="https://www.fuseproject.com/blog/see-better-to-l
30/06/2020 • 54 minutes 20 seconds
Ezinma first picked up the violin when she was three-years old. Born in Lincoln, Nebraska to a Guyanese father and a German-American mother, Ezinma's mixed cultural and ethnic background influenced her musical upbringing and helped mold her into the versatile artist she is today. She has performed at Carnegie Hall, Lincoln Center, and Madison Square Garden. She was inspired to create a new sound with her classical violin. Her music is a blend of virtuosic melodies and orchestral soundscapes with hard hitting beats. She has collaborated with artists such as Beyoncé, Stevie Wonder, Mac Miller, and Clean Bandit. She and Zuckerman discussed her morning practice routine, using beauty as a form of self-care, the sculpting of the spaces between things, how she never had a squeaky stage, the stories found within classical music, manifesting working with Beyoncé, and why we must never apologize!
Oura Ring - https://ouraring.com</p
23/06/2020 • 49 minutes 4 seconds
21. Kara Goldin
Kara Goldin is the founder and CEO of hint inc., the San Francisco-based healthy lifestyle company, best known for hint water and most recently, hint sunscreen. Kara is an operating-entrepreneur and has grown hint to a brand worth hundreds of millions of dollars. In this episode she and Zuckerman talked about how our skin is our largest organ, products that solve problems, the productive aspects of anger, her art educator mom, and happiness as both a business and personal guiding practice.
16/06/2020 • 57 minutes 34 seconds
20. Jean Jullien
Jean Jullien is a French graphic artist living and working in Paris. His practice ranges from painting and illustration to photography, video, costume, installations, books, posters and clothing to create a coherent yet eclectic body of work. In this episode he and Zuckerman talk about his clan and his mother’s iconic hairstyle, describing versus telling, what is enough, how to judge cultural impact, clusters, and saying “yes, but.”
09/06/2020 • 49 minutes 58 seconds
19. Hank Willis Thomas
Hank Willis Thomas is a conceptual artist working primarily with themes related to perspective, identity, commodity, media, and popular culture. His work is included in numerous public collections including the Museum of Modern Art in New York; Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum, New York; Whitney Museum of American Art. His collaborative projects include Question Bridge: Black Males, In Search Of The Truth (The Truth Booth), Writing on the Wall, and the artist-run initiative for art and civic engagement For Freedoms.
He and Zuckerman discussed anxiety, infinite wisdom, positivity bias, infinite possibility, God, the quality of the question, and the remaining opportunities for freedom.
02/06/2020 • 54 minutes 15 seconds
18. Tom Sachs
Tom Sachs’s sculptures, often recreations of modern icons using everyday materials, are conspicuously handmade; lovingly cobbled together from plywood, resin, steel, and ceramic. The scars and imperfections in the sculptures tell the story of how it came into being and remove it from the realm of miraculous conception. His studio team of ten, functions like a teaching hospital or cult, that worships plywood and an ethos of transparency. Friends for over two decades, he and Zuckerman discuss making as meditation, making the best of limited resources, output before input, what surprises him, the existential abyss, and his secret weapon to being an artist.
26/05/2020 • 52 minutes 18 seconds
17. JiaJia Fei
JiaJia Fei is a digital strategist and founder of the first digital agency for art. She and Zuckerman discussed being an evening person, access to free art museums, how to find your own information, the future of funding and philanthropy and access to techpreneurs, how art can exist for the screen, and what could be their shared Kurt Vonnegut epitaph.
19/05/2020 • 45 minutes 14 seconds
16. Richard Betts
Richard Betts passed the Court of Master Sommeliers’ Masters Exam on the first attempt, the ninth person ever to do so. He co-founded the wine labels Betts & Scholl in 2003 and Scarpetta in 2006 and founded Sombra Mezcal in 2006. Today, Richard spends his time guiding Astral Tequila, and his newest wine project “An Approach To Relaxation.” Richard is the New York Times best-selling author of “The Essential Scratch & Sniff Guide to Becoming a Wine Expert.” He and Zuckerman discussed the long term effects of nurture, a deep-seated fear of failure, when he proposed to his wife, how it feels to give back, and working at the intersection of enthusiasm and opportunity!
12/05/2020 • 57 minutes 19 seconds
15. Amy Cappellazzo
Amy Cappellazzo is Chairman of the Fine Art division of Sotheby’s. Prior to accepting the position, Cappellazzo founded Art Agency, Partners with Allan Schwartzman, which in January of 2016 Sotheby’s acquired in a groundbreaking deal. Cappellazzo previously served as a market leader in the field of contemporary art at Christie’s, where she rose to the post of Chairman of Post-War & Contemporary Development over thirteen years. She and Zuckerman discussed adult social behavior around art and the future of Not for Profit galas, the pace of museum curating, the highest and best use of anything, a sexy painting by Patricia Cronin, and being an attentive and attuned mother in this episode.
05/05/2020 • 45 minutes 13 seconds
14. Dennis Scholl
Dennis Scholl is a filmmaker, winemaker, collector, entrepreneur, and artist advocate. In this episode he and Zuckerman talk about him being an obsessive guy, “ going country” and sacred Aboriginal lands, the mistake of not valuing artists, how it feels to live with art placed by other people, and why opening the aperture is key to a meaningful and joyful life!
28/04/2020 • 49 minutes 11 seconds
13. Gary Simmons
Gary Simmons uses chalk as his main medium, utilizing the traces and ghost like effects of the chalk to portray compelling messages involving racial stereotypes. Throughout his conversation with Zuckerman, they touch on his athletic past, the intricacies of his 50 foot mural at the Dallas Cowboys Stadium, and why he helped dig a trench for Robert Irwin, along with other compelling tales of his youth!
21/04/2020 • 58 minutes 17 seconds
12. Kathy DeMarco VanCleve
Kathy DeMarco VanCleve is the author of books Never Caught, The Difference Between You and Me, and Drizzle, numerous screen plays, and on the faculty of the University of Pennsylvania. In this episode, she and Zuckerman speak about poetry, where glory is found, the importance of being kind, death, cancer, and parenting.
14/04/2020 • 54 minutes 23 seconds
11. Richard Phillips
With his paintings, Richard Phillips is a master of seduction – he plays upon the complex web of human obsessions with sexuality, politics, power, and death. He uses classical painterly techniques to make things and people you have seen before look and feel unfamiliar and mean something different. We discussed the first art car to win at Le Mans, what it feels like to unintentionally make a lot of people really mad, Gossip Girl, and what can stand in the way of love.
07/04/2020 • 54 minutes 7 seconds
10. Sarah Thornton
Sarah Thornton is a sociologist who writes about art, design and people. Formerly the chief art market correspondent for The Economist, Thornton is the author of three critically acclaimed books and many influential articles. A Canadian who went to the UK on a prestigious Commonwealth Scholarship, Thornton was hailed as “Britain’s hippest academic.” Now based in San Francisco, Thornton is better known as “the Jane Goodall of the art world.” Zuckerman sat with Thornton in the office in her apartment in San Francisco where they talked about hierarchies within the artworld, our super powers, the truth about being polite, ceramics, and more than 30 reasons art matters!
31/03/2020 • 52 minutes 9 seconds
9. Rufus Wainwright
Musically Rufus Wainwright has collaborated with artists including Elton John, David Byrne, Boy George, Joni Mitchell, Pet Shop Boys and producer Mark Ronson among others. In addition to being a celebrated contemporary pop singer, Rufus has made a name for himself in the classical world. Heidi visited Rufus at his LA home and they talked about what soothes his soul, a cultural movement to turn off our devices, rhyming, why reading matters, and the why and how of being an active conduit for ideas!
24/03/2020 • 49 minutes 45 seconds
8. Tim Blum
Over a 25 year period Tim Blum and Jeff Poe have fostered the careers of artists such as Takashi Murakami, Mark Grotjahn, Henry Taylor, and so many others. In this episode Zuckerman and Blum talk about the first work of art they each bought—in the same year for the same price! —Ram Das, death, and how we all are just walking each other home.
17/03/2020 • 58 minutes 25 seconds
7. Rich Roll
Rich Roll is a dad, athlete, and author of Finding Ultra. He also hosts the long running, super interesting, and widely popular Rich Roll podcast. In this episode he and Zuckerman talk about existential crises, alcoholism and ambition, the value of solitude, wisdom, and what art is.
03/03/2020 • 1 hour 29 seconds
6. Seth Price
Zuckerman describes Seth Price as “undeniably one of the coolest people I have ever met!“ She curated his solo museum exhibition, No Technique, which closes at the Aspen Art Museum on March 1, 2020. In this episode they converse about the allure of being unavailable, the power of defocused thinking, creating a sound track for artists, #menswear, and skin. Price in addition to making paintings has designed a fashion line, written a novel, and made music.
18/02/2020 • 1 hour 10 minutes 16 seconds
5. Christina Quarles
Christina Quarles engages with the world from a position that is multiply situated. As a Queer, cis-woman born to a black father and a white mother, her project is informed by her daily experience with ambiguity and seeks to dismantle assumptions. We talked about finding beauty where others might not notice, the impact of our ancestors, and the importance of slowing down and doing less.
04/02/2020 • 1 hour 1 minute 11 seconds
4. John Hickenlooper
John Hickenlooper recently spent six months running for President of the United States of America. He served two terms as Mayor of Denver, followed by two terms as Governor of Colorado. He is a craft brewer and occasional banjo player and is currently running for U.S. Senate in Colorado. In this episode, he and Heidi talk about the importance of silence in holding a space for other’s grief, how art, music, and culture builds community, transcendental meditation, and world peace.
21/01/2020 • 54 minutes 19 seconds
3. Helen Molesworth
Helen Molesworth is a Los Angeles-based writer and curator. She recently released “Recording Artists,” a podcast series in conjunction with the Getty and she is the curator-in-residence at the Anderson Ranch Arts Center. We talked about why it’s a great thing when works of art make you cry, personal and institutional legacy, and where the divine or faith shows up in art.
07/01/2020 • 59 minutes 37 seconds
2. Mary Weatherford
In this episode, Heidi speaks with painter Mary Weatherford known for radical, elusive paintings where her canvases are affixed and sometimes juxtaposed with working neon light. They talk about the most annoying questions Mary repeatedly gets asked as well as why making her paintings involves getting her feet dirty, their mutual admiration for artist Alan Shields, scoliosis, and what it means to trust someone.
This episode was recorded live at, and in partnership with, Spring Place Beverly Hills.
23/12/2019 • 1 hour 1 minute 50 seconds
1. Lance Armstrong
In this inaugural episode, Heidi speaks with long-time friend Lance Armstrong about his support of, and friendships with, a wide variety of contemporary artists from Raymond Pettibone to Ed Ruscha, and how art made his life better during times of widely-publicized, great duress. They also talk about humor, decision-making, and the best idea that Lance ever had!