Living in America these past few years has been like living in a movie—a mashup of Blade Runner, A Clockwork Orange, and Idiocracy, that is. The never-ending pandemic, the routine mass shootings, the climate literally and figuratively on fire; the economy first battered by recession, then ravaged by inflation; an angry electorate, armed to the teeth and addled by conspiracy theories, as our democracy teeters on the brink, with Donald Trump still working overtime to push the whole thing off a cliff. On Hell and High Water, John Heilemann — host of Showtime's The Circus, co-author of Game Change, and national affairs analyst for MSNBC — explores this apocalyptic-seeming moment with seminal figures in politics, entertainment, business, tech, the media, and beyond. The conversations are deep, rich, and bracingly real, but also hopeful, as Heilemann and his guests grapple with the fact that, to quote Bob Dylan, “Everything is broken,” and try to figure out how to fix it … together.
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Anne Applebaum & Timothy Snyder: Love Letters To Adolph
John is joined by two celebrated scholars and best-selling authors on authoritarianism, autocracy, and tyranny—Pulitzer Prize-winning staff writer at The Atlantic, Anne Applebaum, and Yale University history professor, Timothy Snyder—to discuss this week’s headline-making reporting on the dark assessments of Donald Trump by former White House chief of staff John Kelly and other top military brass. Applebaum and Snyder argue that Trump’s fascism is beyond dispute; his use of language echoing Stalin, Mussolini, and other dictators is no accident; and his repeated expressions of admiration for Adolph Hitler is unsurprising given the degree to which his policy proposals, approach to politics, and yen for personal loyalty from the military resembled the Fuhrer’s.
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10/25/2024 • 1 hour, 11 minutes, 15 seconds
Presenting Gone South Season
Gone South, the Edward R. Murrow award-winning podcast, is back. Unlike previous seasons, writer and host Jed Lipinski brings listeners new episodes every week with no end in sight. Each episode of Gone South Season 4 tells a different story about one of the South's most interesting crimes.
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10/24/2024 • 10 minutes, 1 second
Wes Moore: Trump Is No Friend Of The Military & Harris Isn't Biden
John is joined by Maryland’s Democratic Governor, Wes Moore, to discuss the state of the presidential race. Currently America’s second-youngest governor, only the third African American ever to hold that office, and a 16-year U.S. Army veteran, Moore discusses the challenge Kamala Harris faced in being elevated so recently to the top of the Democratic ticket; how serious a mistake it was for her to say she wouldn’t have done much differently from Joe Biden; and why Donald Trump’s attitude toward the military is so “heartbreaking and terrifying" that senior military officers should speak out about his unfitness for office—as it was reported just after Moore and Heilemann talked that General John Kelly has done.
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10/23/2024 • 44 minutes, 20 seconds
David Plouffe: “I’d (Still) Rather Be Us Than Them”
John is joined by Obama 2008 and 2012 campaign guru and Harris 2024 senior strategist David Plouffe to assess the state of the presidential race two weeks out from Election Day. Plouffe explains why he believes his candidate has a higher ceiling and more appeal to the remaining pool of persuadable voters than Donald Trump; how most of the public polling you're obsessed with is so worthless that he doesn’t even look at it; what he’s seeing in the early vote data that buoys his optimism; why reports of Trump's exhaustion and last-minute scheduling disruptions suggests that “something really funky” is going on with him; and yet why Democrats should be ready for an extremely, nail-bitingly, uncomfortably close election outcome.
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10/21/2024 • 46 minutes, 26 seconds
Debbie Dingell: Panic In Detroit, Dancing In Lansing, Stranded In Kalamazoo
John is joined by Michigan Democratic congresswoman Debbie Dingell to discuss the razor's edge race between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump for the Great Lake State’s 15 electoral votes. Although national Democrats have recently begun to fret about Harris's standing in Michigan, Dingell—who was the among the first in 2016 to call out Hillary Clinton’s fatal weaknesses there—explains that she’s believed that the VP's position in the state has always been precarious; how Harris finally found her voice on the manufacturing economy; how her jousting with Brett Baier on Fox News revealed a key part of “the real Kamala;” and how, to close the sale in Michigan, Harris needs to set caution aside and “talk turkey” to blue-collar voters about a Trump agenda certain to sell them out and ship even more of their jobs to China.
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10/18/2024 • 1 hour, 9 minutes, 9 seconds
Peter Baker & Susan Glasser: Where’s The Outrage?
John is joined by Beltway journalistic power couple Peter Baker, the New York Times's chief White House correspondent, and Susan Glasser, a staff writer for The New Yorker, to discuss the state of the presidential race three weeks out from Election Day. Baker and Glasser assess Kamala Harris’s shift to harder-edged attacks on Donald Trump; Trump’s threat to use the National Guard or U.S. military against American citizens, to terminate the Constitution, and to seek "retribution" against his political opponents; why non-MAGA Republicans such as Virginia governor Glenn Youngkin continue to stick with him; and the ongoing Democratic freakout over whether Harris and Team K are “doing enough” to win.
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10/16/2024 • 1 hour, 18 minutes, 3 seconds
James Carville: Inside The War Room 2.0 & The Harris-Trump Endgame
John is joined by legendary campaign guru James Carville to discuss the new documentary about his life, “Carville: Winning Is Everything, Stupid,” alongside the film’s director, Matt Tyrnauer. James and Matt explain how they came together to make a kind of sequel to “The War Room,” the iconic 1993 documentary that helped turn James into a celebrity; how his boisterous campaign to convince his party to replace Joe Biden caused many allies to see him less as Cassandra than Brutus, until Biden’s debate with Trump turned him into Nostradamus; and how James’s wife and longtime TV sparring partner, Republican strategist and former Bush White House aide Mary Matalin, became the film’s essential ingredient. Plus, James and John take stock of Harris v Trump as we enter the final, three-week sprint to Election Day.
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10/14/2024 • 1 hour, 16 minutes, 11 seconds
Susanne Craig:
John is joined by Susanne Craig, Pulitzer Prize-winning New York Times investigative reporter and co-author of “Lucky Loser: How Donald Trump Squandered His Father’s Fortune and Created The Illusion of Success,” to discuss the divergent myth and reality of Trump’s career in business. Craig recounts the nine years she has spent delving into the former president’s finances and the revelations that work unearthed—from the staggering $1 billion in accumulated losses Trump once reported to the IRS to the hundreds of millions of dollars he inherited from his father, a bequeathment starkly at odds with his image as a self-made man; the story of how small-screen Svengali Mark Burnett made Trump a reality-tv star, a development that would change the course of political history; and how Trump’s unscrupulous, all-sizzle-no-steak approach to business carried over to his mode of campaigning and governance, only more so.
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10/11/2024 • 1 hour, 9 minutes, 36 seconds
Mark Cuban: Out Of One Shark Tank & Into Another
John is joined by Mark Cuban, the billionaire former owner of Dallas Mavericks and recently departed star of ABC's Shark Tank, to discuss his new role as Kamala Harris’s most voluble—and arguably most valuable—backer in the business world. Cuban explains why he likens Harris to a start-up CEO in “founder mode;” how her policies would benefit business (especially small business) more than those of Donald Trump; why Trump’s push for sweeping tariffs is “lunacy,” his answers to economic policy questions are “gibberish,” and his business practices are the most unethical Cuban has ever seen. Cuban also opines about Trump’s most powerful business backer, arguing that there are “two Elon Musks”: one a brilliant entrepreneur, the other a “shitty-ass troll.”
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10/9/2024 • 1 hour, 16 minutes, 37 seconds
Lawrence O’Donnell: Trump’s Jan 6 Reckoning, Kamala’s WH Destiny, & The Senate’s Post-McConnell Future
John is joined by the host of MSNBC’s The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell to discuss the emergence, just five weeks before Election Day, of damning new evidence of Donald Trump’s central role in the January 6 insurrection. O’Donnell assesses the legal and political significance of that evidence, contained in a newly unsealed court filing by Special Counsel Jack Smith, well as the insight it offers into Mike Pence’s role in thwarting Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election—just one day after JD Vance, during the VP debate with Tim Walz, refused to say that the former president had, in fact, lost that election. O’Donnell, an early fan of Kamala Harris and former top Senate staffer, also foretells a bright future for the former and a dismal one for the latter.
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10/4/2024 • 1 hour, 17 minutes, 56 seconds
“Christ, Have Mercy”: Puck Superfriends Chop Up The VP Debate
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10/2/2024 • 1 hour, 12 minutes, 3 seconds
Nate Silver: Harris v. Trump Is the Closest Election I’ve Ever Seen
John is joined by the world’s most celebrated data nerd, polling aggregator, and election forecaster, Nate Silver, to discuss the 2024 election. Nate offers unnervingly precise takes on just how close the race is (it won’t calm your nerves a bit); Kamala Harris’s likelihood of winning each of the battleground states; the thesis advanced in the New York Times that the GOP’s advantage in the Electoral College is shrinking; whether the polling industry has cured what ailed it in 2016 and 2020; the “contingency plans” you should be making ahead of November 5; having so many people displace their election-related anxieties directly on to him. He also talks about his new bestselling book, On The Edge: The Art of Risking Everything, his relationship with Peter Thiel, his poker addiction, and why the movies Rounders and Moneyball are, well, everything.
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9/27/2024 • 1 hour, 37 minutes, 46 seconds
Andrew Ross Sorkin: Rate Cuts, Tax Cuts, & Jamie Dimon Dish
John is joined by Andrew Ross Sorkin of CNBC, The New York Times, and Too Big Too Fail fame to assess the state of the American economy and its political dimensions six weeks from Election Day, with Sorkin offering his takes on an array of related topics: how Jerome Powell stuck the landing and why that achievement isn't more widely heralded; the tax-cutting ardor of Kamala Harris and Donald Trump; why so much of the business world is backing Trump despite considering him a knucklehead, a loose cannon, and a threat to American democracy; and how Harris is making inroads with the financial class by not behaving like Joe Biden (or Barack Obama). Plus, Andrew’s theory that J.P. Morgan Chase poobah Jamie Dimon could wind up being Harris's treasury secretary.
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9/25/2024 • 1 hour, 21 minutes, 2 seconds
Pete Buttigieg: Why Kamala Is Winning (It’s The Policies, Stupid)
John is joined by former South Bend, Indiana, mayor and once and future presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg to discuss the state of the presidential race with 45 days to go before November 5: why Kamala Harris is playing a stronger homestretch hand than Donald Trump; what Trump and J.D. Vance’s incendiary lies about the Haitian immigrants of Springfield, Ohio, have in common with Joseph McCarthy’s Red Scare; and how Harris-Walz can seal the deal in the Blue Wall states of PA, MI, and WI. Mayor Pete also explains why he’s a Slow Horses junkie, his husband Chasten is merely Slow Horses curious, and whether the chronic flatulence of Gary Oldman’s character Jackson Lamb is a feature or a bug.
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9/20/2024 • 46 minutes, 9 seconds
Doug Emhoff: On Being 2nd Gentleman, Kamala’s Arm Candy & A Kurt Cobain/Eddie Vedder Feminist
John is joined by Doug Emhoff for a wide-ranging discussion of his role as Second Gentleman of the United States and Mr. Kamala Harris. The two Gen Xers talk through Emhoff’s shot-out-of-a-cannon introduction to the American electorate; his current role on the hustings stumping for his wife’s presidential campaign and his prospective one as the nation’s first-ever First Gent; his otherworldly capacity to maintain composure when Donald Trump, J.D. Vance, and the likes of Laura Loomer cough up Kamala-directed calumnies; how the feminism of Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder shaped his attitudes towards women; and whether Tim Walz is really the superannuated indie rock boy that he’s cracked up to be.
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9/18/2024 • 1 hour, 29 minutes, 38 seconds
Dan Harris: Meditation, Mental Health, Six-Peckered Goats & The 2024 Election
John is joined by Dan Harris, former ABC News anchor of Nightline, World News Sunday, and Good Morning America’s weekend edition, to discuss Dan's transformation into a full-time meditation and mental health guru and entrepreneur — and accidental social media influencer. The longtime pals discuss strategies for staying sane in the face of the flood of anxiety and agitation unleashed by the 2024 election; why failure is often more productive and profitable (mentally, emotionally, spiritually) than success; how to maintain a sense of calm and balance while working harder than, in Dan’s phrase, a “six-peckered goat;” and some big changes happening in Harris’s 10 Percent Happier empire.
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9/13/2024 • 1 hour, 15 minutes, 48 seconds
Slaughterhouse 45: Puck Superfriends Assess Kamala's Decimation of The Donald
John is joined by his Puck partners Dylan Byers and Peter Hamby to discuss the first (and maybe only) 2024 general election debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump—a mirror image and diametric opposite of Joe Biden’s debate debacle versus Trump in June. The Puck Superfriends analyze Harris's command of the sphere of battle, Trump's inability to avoid being triggered, baited, rattled, and enraged through much of the night; how ABC News’s David Muir and Linsey Davis handled the task of keeping the debate more or less on the rails; and how much, in the end, last night's round of Mortal Kombat in Killadelphia will impact the outcome of the election.
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9/11/2024 • 1 hour, 21 minutes, 21 seconds
Jordan Klepper: Equal Oppty B.S.-Calling & The Daily Show Renaissance
John is joined by The Daily Show’s Jordan Klepper to discuss the return of Jon Stewart to the show, the challenges of covering the RNC and DNC live, and his signature forays into the dark, savage, achingly comical heart of the MAGA-sphere at Donald Trump’s rallies. The two pals—who worked together when John dragooned Jordan into guest hosting his Showtime series The Circus—also debate the merits of Chicago’s iconic but disgusting local liqueur Malort (and even more iconic and appalling style of deep dish pizza), whether Klepper has a crush on former Estonian prime minister Kaja Kallas, and his resemblance to Gregor Samsa, the man-turned-cockroach protagonist in Franz Kafka’s The Metamorphosis.
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9/6/2024 • 1 hour, 20 minutes, 31 seconds
Dan Pfeiffer: No Sleep Till … Thanksgiving?
John is joined by Pod Save America co-host, New York Times bestselling author, must-read Substacker, and former Obama campaign and White House communications whiz Dan Pfeiffer to discuss the state of the presidential race as we enter the post-Labor Day home stretch: from Kamala Harris’s performance in her first post-nomination sit-down interview to Donald Trump’s ridiculously desperate shape-shifting on abortion and desperately ridiculous pandering on IVF, Barack Obama’s pearls of wisdom at the DNC, Joe Biden’s place in history—and why no polling lead for Harris will be big enough for Dan sleep soundly on Election Eve.
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9/4/2024 • 1 hour, 19 minutes, 40 seconds
Nicholas Kristof: The DNC, Darfur Revisited, & The Pig-Dog Conundrum
John is joined by two-time Pulitzer-prize-winning New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof to chew over the presidential race: from Joe Biden’s decision to bow out and the wave of enthusiasm that has greeted Kamala Harris to Bill Clinton’s and Barack Obama’s speeches at the Democratic convention. They also discuss Kristof's recently published memoir, Chasing Hope: A Reporter’s Life, the work that Nick is proudest of—on Darfur, global health, and international sex trafficking—and a thought-provoking recent Kristof column arguing that our disparate treatment of dogs and farm animals has no moral basis.
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8/30/2024 • 1 hour, 15 minutes, 7 seconds
Alex Edelman: On Comedy, Politics & The Emmys at The DNC
John hooks up with his pal Alex Edelman—the young genius behind last year’s sold-out Broadway sensation and this year’s Emmy-nominated HBO comedy special Just For Us—at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago to discuss his discovery that lobbyists bum him out but a roomful of Democratic delegates sets his heart aflutter; the bit of his about Joe Biden's age that some found unfunny but cracked Biden up; what professional joke-peddlers can do to help Kamala Harris's cause; and why, even though Alex has already won an Obie and a Tony by the age of 35, he really (really) wants to snag that Emmy.
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8/28/2024 • 1 hour, 15 minutes, 18 seconds
Sweet Home Chicago Pt. 2: Kamala In Command
John is joined by CEO of the Center for American Progress Action Fund, Patrick Gaspard, and Politico senior political columnist Jonathan Martin to discuss the second two days of the Democratic National Convention. From the rat-a-tat succession of star turns by Bill Clinton, Tim Walz, and Oprah Winfrey on Wednesday to Kamala Harris sticking the landing on Thursday, the three friends chop up what worked and what didn’t, where the Harris-Walz ticket stands coming out of Chicago, and if exultant Democrats need to worry about trap doors as they race off toward November.
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8/23/2024 • 1 hour, 22 minutes, 33 seconds
Sweet Home Chicago Pt. 1: Obamalamentum & Biden’s Bon Voyage
John is joined by James Bennet—Lexington columnist for The Economist and former editor-in-chief of The Atlantic and editorial page editor of The New York Times—to discuss the first two days of the Democratic National Convention in Chicago: from Hillary Clinton’s roof-raising revisitation of that highest, hardest glass ceiling she cracked but failed to shatter and Joe Biden’s way-past-prime-time political valedictory to Second Gentleman Doug Emhoff’s reminiscences of courting Kamala and forming their very own modern family to the Obamas' back-to-back oratorical tours de force touting Harris and torching Donald Trump.
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8/21/2024 • 1 hour, 23 minutes, 49 seconds
Doug Sosnik: How Kamala Is Reframing the Race & Redrawing the Map
John is joined by veteran Democratic strategist and former Clinton White House political director Doug Sosnik, who helped guide his boss against the odds to a landslide reelection in 1996, to assess the state of this year’s campaign on the eve of the Democratic convention. Having concluded a month ago that Joe Biden no longer had a viable path to victory, Sosnik discusses the top-to-bottom transformation of the race in the weeks since then, why Kamala Harris is (so far) winning the battle to define her public imagine, and wisdom of her efforts to reframe the race as being about the future—while Trump remains stuck in the past.
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John is joined by Ezra Klein—pioneering blogger in his twenties, founder and editor-in-chief of Vox in his thirties, and now columnist and host of a popular, eponymous podcast at New York Times—to discuss Donald Trump’s round-the-bend behavior in reaction to Kamala Harris’s ascent, Nancy Pelosi’s preternatural intuition and how it fuels her political mastery, and why the Democratic Party didn’t flinch from the break-glass moment presented by Joe Biden’s faltering candidacy. Ezra also offers his theory as to Harris’s true political identity, and reveals (after John cites photographic evidence) that his body is festooned with not one but two tattoos.
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8/14/2024 • 1 hour, 12 minutes, 33 seconds
Cari Champion & Pablo Torre On The Snoop Dogg Summer Olympics
John is joined by two rising stars of sports journalism and commentary, Pablo Torre (formerly of ESPN and now host of the hit podcast Pablo Torre Finds Out) and Cari Champion (also formerly of ESPN and now host of The Cari Champion Show on Amazon Prime Video) to talk about the Summer Games: from the athletic prowess of Simone Biles, Gabby Thomas, and Katie Ledecky to the cultural currency of Snoop Dogg and Martha Stewart, and from the culture-war kerfuffle around Algerian boxer Imane Khelif to the genius streaming strategy that unleashed a ratings bonanza for NBC, and why Paris 2024 stands as the first truly postmodern Olympic Games.
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8/9/2024 • 1 hour, 24 minutes, 47 seconds
Nicolle Wallace: To the Window, To the Walz
John is joined by Nicolle Wallace—host of Deadline: White House on MSNBC, former aide to George W. Bush and John McCain, and author of three bestselling novels (Eighteen Acres, It’s Classified, and Madam President) about life inside the White House—to discuss Kamala Harris’s selection of Tim Walz as her running mate and its potential impact on the election. The two close friends talk about the secrecy and mystery surrounding every veepstakes, the factors driving Harris to pick the relatively unknown Walz over popular Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, and why Wallace says that the aftermath of Joe Biden’s disastrous debate performance and his eventual departure from the presidential race was the hardest story she’s ever had to cover as an MSNBC anchor.
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8/7/2024 • 1 hour, 26 minutes, 23 seconds
Michael Bennet & Errin Haines: Trump’s Losing Bet on Birtherism 2.0
John is joined by Michael Bennet, Colorado’s senior U.S. Senator, and Errin Haines, editor-at-large of The 19th, longtime Kamala Harris chronicler, and member of National Association of Black Journalists—whose annual meeting in Chicago this week was the site of Donald Trump’s latest spasm of racial animus and ignorance. The legislator and the journalist discuss the event where the former president’s desperation was evident from start to finish. Also: Kamala Harris’s rocket ride and J.D. Vance’s unrelenting weirdness.
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8/2/2024 • 1 hour, 12 minutes, 5 seconds
Conway & Longwell Pt. 2: Donald’s Psyche, J.D.’s Weirdness, and Kamala’s No-Huddle Veepstakes
John is joined by #NeverTrump stalwarts George Conway (founder of the new Anti-Psychopath PAC and ex-husband of Kellyanne) and Sarah Longwell (publisher of The Bulwark and ubiquitous focus group impresario) to discuss the state of the presidential race after the mother of all resets. The trio assess why Kamala Harris’s unexpected elevation to the top of the Democratic ticket, the swift coalescence of her party behind her, and the wave of Momalamania sweeping mainstream and social media alike have left Donald Trump, his team, and the right writ large stunned, angry, and flailing. Also: how the J.D. Vance imbroglio is even worse than it appears, and who makes most sense for Harris to pick as her No. 2.
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8/1/2024 • 1 hour, 1 minute, 29 seconds
Conway & Longwell Pt. 1: Harris Stays Hot & Trump Melts Down
John is joined by #NeverTrump stalwarts George Conway (founder of the new Anti-Psychopath PAC and ex-husband of Kellyanne) and Sarah Longwell (publisher of The Bulwark and ubiquitous focus group impresario) to discuss the state of presidential race after the mother of all resets. The trio assess why Kamala Harris’s unexpected elevation to the top of the Democratic ticket, the swift coalescence of her party behind her, and the wave of Momalamania sweeping mainstream and social media alike have left Donald Trump, his team, and right writ large stunned, angry, and flailing. Also: how the J.D. Vance imbroglio is even worse than it appears, and who makes most sense for Harris to pick as her No. 2.
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7/31/2024 • 1 hour, 3 minutes, 35 seconds
Maya Wiley & Tim Ryan on Kamala’s Craze & Trump’s Mania
John is joined by two faces of the Democratic Party’s future—former New York City mayoral candidate and current head of the Leadership Council on Civil and Human Rights, Maya Wiley, and former presidential candidate and 10-term Ohio congressman, Tim Ryan—with different backgrounds and ideological moorings but a shared sense of optimism about Kamala Harris’s ascension and prospects against Donald Trump this fall. Also: why Biden’s Oval Office address met the moment and Trump is right to be freaking out.
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7/26/2024 • 1 hour, 24 minutes, 16 seconds
Beschloss & Costa: Biden's Fall, Kamala's Rise & A Whole New Race
John goes deep on Joe Biden’s historic, campaign-upending decision to exit the presidential race with NBC News presidential historian and author of nine books on the presidency, Michael Beschloss, and Robert Costa, CBS News chief election correspondent and co-author (with Bob Woodward) of the New York Times No. 1 best-seller, “Peril." The three friends discuss the internal and external forces that compelled Biden to bow out; his decision to endorse his understudy, Kamala Harris; how the game-changing turn of events has fundamentally rebooted the presidential race; and how Donald Trump is likely to react to being deprived of his preferred foil, Biden, and instead having to face Harris (bottom line: unhappily).
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7/23/2024 • 1 hour, 8 minutes, 39 seconds
Meet The New Trump, Same As The Old Trump—Except On Benzos
John is joined by a trio of prominent if disaffected (or fully lapsed) Republican strategists: former Trump White House staffer and current co-host of The View and political analyst for CNN, Alyssa Farah Griffin; former chief of staff to Vice President Dan Quayle, co-founder of The Weekly Standard, and editor-at-large of The Bulwark, Bill Kristol; and former Jeb Bush adviser and Republican National Committee spokesman turned host of The Bulwark Podcast and Not My Party on Snapchat, Tim Miller. At the close of a jubilant G.O.P. convention in Milwaukee, they discuss the political implications of the failed attempt to assassinate Donald Trump, Trump's efforts to recast himself as a kinder, gentler Emperor of the MAGA-sphere, and the continuing crisis in the Democratic Party over the fate of Joe Biden’s reelection bid.
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7/19/2024 • 1 hour, 46 minutes, 8 seconds
Tim Miller & Stuart Stevens: Trump Can’t Change & Vance Won’t Fly
John is joined by two veteran G.O.P. operatives turned #NeverTrump stalwarts—Mitt Romney's 2012 chief strategist, Stuart Stevens, and The Bulwark's Tim Miller—to discuss the opening night of the Republican National Convention and the extraordinary weekend that preceded it, when an assassin’s bullet nearly claimed Donald Trump’s life. Tim and Stuart assess Trump’s subdued entrance and rapturous reception in the convention hall, his choice of J.D. Vance as his running mate, and the possibility he might emerge as a less incendiary, more unifying figure (which they deem close to nil). And they offer dramatically divergent points of view on whether Democrats should dump or double down on Joe Biden.
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7/16/2024 • 1 hour, 11 minutes, 30 seconds
James Carville’s Case For Reshuffling The Democratic Deck
John is joined by James Carville, the most celebrated political strategist of the modern era—and one of the earliest and loudest influential Democrats to argue that voters’ doubts about Joe Biden’s capacity to serve well into his eighties could be his undoing. James explains his conviction that, despite Biden’s determination to stay in the race, he'll almost certainly have no choice but to drop out; why asking an electorate hungry for change and a champion who embodies the future to swallow a status quo candidate who embodies the past was unwise from the jump; and how a wide-open, multi-candidate bake-off showcasing his party’s deep bench of young talent—and presided over by Barack Obama and Bill Clinton—could be the cure for what ails Democrats (and rid us all of Trump in the bargain).
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John is joined by Jonathan Freedland—Guardian columnist, BBC radio presenter, cohost of the podcast Unholy: Two Jews on the News, and author of the best-selling book The Escape Artist: The Man Who Broke Out of Auschwitz to Warn the World—for a tour d’horizon of political news in Europe and the U.S. as seen from across the pond. Jonny explains the electoral landslide last week that put Labour back in power in the U.K. for the first time in 14 years, why the French election a few days later produced such a muddle (and why so many, including Emmanuel Macron, are celebrating anyway), and how the European political-diplomatic establishment is panicking over Joe Biden’s debate debacle almost as much as Democratic donors and elected officials.
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7/9/2024 • 1 hour, 8 minutes, 6 seconds
Steven Brill on SCOTUS & Social Media As Truth-Destroyer
John is joined by Steven Brill — founder of The American Lawyer, Court TV, and NewsGuard, and author of the new book The Death Of Truth — for a deep dive into the morass of fake news online. Steve discusses how and why the major social media platforms have turned into toxic, conspiracy-theory-spreading cesspools, and what might be done to fix it. He also assesses the Supreme Court’s landmark decision this week on presidential immunity, the debasement of the court by Justices Alito and Thomas (both of whom Brill first met as fellow students at Yale Law School), and how SCOTUS has lost much of its legitimacy with the public in the past two decades.
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7/5/2024 • 1 hour, 12 minutes, 13 seconds
Should He Stay or Should He Go (Joe Biden, That Is)?
John is joined by the renowned political strategists David Axelrod and Mike Murphy to discuss the fallout from Joe Biden’s debate disaster, starting with the movement among Democrats to persuade Biden to bow out and let his party choose a new nominee to face Donald Trump this fall. What would an open convention look like? If Biden bails, would Kamala Harris be his inevitable replacement? And if Biden stays in, what should he do—what can he do—to recover? Axe and Murphy have the answers.
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7/2/2024 • 1 hour, 6 minutes, 24 seconds
Puck Superfriends Break Down Biden’s Debate Breakdown
John is joined by his colleagues Dylan Beyers and Peter Hamby in the immediate aftermath of the first (and maybe only) 2024 presidential debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. The three Puck political-media superfriends asses Biden's botched performance and the freakout among Democratic officials, strategists, and donors in reaction to it; analyze Trump’s calm and composed (by his standards) turn on the debate stage; and speculate on whether the suddenly ardent and increasingly public strategizing among elite Dems about how to get Biden to drop out of the race — for the good of both the party and the country.
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6/28/2024 • 54 minutes, 32 seconds
Stevie Van Zandt’s Excellent Adventures On & Off E Street
John is joined by the legendary guitarist, singer, songwriter, producer, arranger, and all around rock-and-roll legend Steve Van Zandt, equally famous for his roles as Bruce Springsteen’s longtime sidekick and as Silvio Dante in The Sopranos. In their freewheeling conversation, Stevie reflects on how his remarkable, up-and-down, 60-year career as a musician, actor, and activist has, time and again, placed him at or near the center of modern culture — and how his proudest achievement to this day is the unlikely, ultimately heroic part he played in freeing Nelson Mandela.
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6/25/2024 • 1 hour, 13 minutes, 51 seconds
Biden Campaign Chief to Dem Bedwetters: Stop Worrying & Get To Work
John is joined by Jen O’Malley Dillon—the legendary Democratic field organizer for Al Gore, Jon Edwards, and Barack Obama, manager of Joe Biden’s general-election campaign in 2020, and deputy chief of staff in Biden's White House from 2021 to 2023—in her first extended, on-the-record interview since taking over as chair of his reelection effort. The two discuss next week’s debate, the state of the presidential race, Team Biden’s battleground-state strategy, and the nagging questions around the president’s age and fitness for office. Jen also addresses the anxieties of the myriad Nervous Nellies in her party and pledges, “Joe Biden is going to win.”
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6/21/2024 • 54 minutes, 55 seconds
Reassessing the Kitchen Confidential Era & The Perils of Chef Stardom
John is joined by the legendary restaurateur Danny Meyer—whose Union Square Hospitality Group has built a fine-dining empire in New York City (Union Square Cafe, Gramercy Tavern, The Modern, Manhatta, Ci Siamo, and more) and spawned the multinational fast-casual juggernaut Shake Shack—to mourn the shocking, bewildering loss of a mutual friend, the fast-rising culinary superstar Jamal James Kent, at just 45. Danny also reflects on what has and hasn’t changed in restaurant culture since the heyday of bad boy celebrity chefs, the extent to which the industry has recovered from the pandemic, and the crucial differences between mere service and genuine hospitality.
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6/18/2024 • 1 hour, 6 minutes, 9 seconds
Apple's A.I. Embrace & Elon's Tantrum
John is joined by Kara Swisher—celebrated chronicler of the titans of tech, host of the podcast On With Kara Swisher and cohost of the Pivot podcast with Scott Galloway, and author of the best-selling memoir Burn Book—to discuss Apple's embrace of A.I., Elon Musk's broadsides against the company, and Silicon Valley's newfound enthusiasm for Donald Trump. Then renowned political scribe and Primary Colors author Joe Klein stops by to mourn the passing of his and John's friend and former colleague, Howard Fineman.
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6/14/2024 • 1 hour, 14 minutes, 53 seconds
George to Media: Stop Normalizing Trump
John is joined by ABC News’s George Stephanopoulos—co-anchor of Good Morning America, host of This Week, and author of the recently published New York Times No. 1 best-seller, The Situation Room—to discuss their industry’s ongoing failure to cover Donald Trump, the GOP, and this political moment for what they are: radically abnormal. George also reflects on his time in the White House, the similarities (and differences) between Trump and Bill Clinton, and how transcendental meditation “saved my life.”
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6/11/2024 • 42 minutes, 39 seconds
Trump's Retribution Tea Leaves
John is joined by Maggie Haberman, the heralded Times reporter and Trump scholar, to discuss the bubbling retribution fantasies of the former president and the wider MAGA-sphere. Maggie also reflects on her seven weeks covering the hush money trial, and the two dig into the Trump campaign's strategy and the potential electoral fallout from his 34-count felony conviction.
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6/7/2024 • 1 hour, 8 minutes, 54 seconds
Trump Sentencing Theories & Mueller Revisited
In the debut episode of Impolitic, John sits down with Andrew Weissmann, the former Enron prosecutor and Mueller lieutenant, for a candid and wide-ranging conversation across a number of pertinent topics: gaming out Trump's sentencing, the efficacy of his appeal, Mueller report reminiscences, and Alito's bewildering political moment.
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6/4/2024 • 1 hour, 16 minutes, 13 seconds
Introducing: Impolitic with John Heilemann
Welcome to Impolitic with John Heilemann, in which Puck’s chief political columnist, national affairs analyst for MSNBC and NBC News, best-selling author of Game Change and Double Down, and host/creator of Showtime’s The Circus roams the corridors of power and influence in America on this twice-weekly interview show, taking you behind the scenes and beyond the headlines with the people who shape our culture—in politics, entertainment, tech, sports, business, media, and beyond. A Puck-Audacy joint, new episodes drop every Tuesday and Friday.
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6/3/2024 • 1 minute, 58 seconds
Introducing: The Long Game with LZ & Leitch
The intersection of sports, culture, and politics is at the heart of the new weekly podcast from The Recount, "The Long Game with LZ & Leitch", premiering Wednesday, November 3rd. Hosted by LZ Granderson, formerly of ESPN, now an op-ed columnist for the L.A. Times and a political contributor to ABC News, and Will Leitch, founder of the late website Deadspin, a contributing editor at New York Magazine and the author of "How Lucky", "The Long Game" dives into the most relevant sports topics of the week to not only break down the games, but the games people play. From vaccination hesitation, to online betting, to all of the wonderful "isms" and "phobias" we've come to know and love, sports not only reflect our culture, they drive our culture. Join Will and LZ as they explore the events on and off the field that collide with the political, business, and social concerns that captivate the American conversation. Listen to new episodes every Wednesday: https://therecount.com/podcasts/the-long-game-with-lz-and-leitch Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
11/3/2021 • 3 minutes, 4 seconds
Introducing: The Recount Daily Pod
Every morning on The Recount Daily Pod, host journalist Reena Ninan will break down the most important news of the day, both domestically and abroad. In 5 minutes or less, you’ll walk away feeling smarter and more in sync with the world. Then, tune in for an interview with journalists who are on the forefront of the stories that affect us all. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
7/6/2021 • 1 minute, 33 seconds
BONUS: Mika Brzezinski on "Just Something About Her" Podcast with Jennifer Palmieri
Hell & High Water brings you a bonus episode from another podcast in the Recount family: "Just Something About Her" with Jennifer Palmieri.Palmieri spent more than two decades as a big-time political and communications strategist, serving as communications director for Barack Obama's White House and Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign. “Just Something About Her" was born out of Jennifer's experience working for Hillary, when she kept hearing people say, "I don't know, there’s just something about her I don’t like...". With her podcast, Palmieri is flipping that script, interviewing women who made it to the top of their fields on their own terms.This week's guest is Mika Brzezinski, co-host of MSNBC's "Morning Joe," a best-selling author, and the founder of "Know Your Value," a movement in partnership with NBCUniversal that empowers women to recognize their worth and endeavor to get paid accordingly. Mika recently partnered with Forbes to create its first "50 Over 50" list to highlight women who have achieved success later in life.Palmieri and Brzezinski discuss how Mika "walks the walk" when it comes to supporting women. They discuss common mistakes they have made during pay negotiations, what women can learn from men about how to behave at the bargaining table, and what it might take for women to make a comeback from setbacks during the pandemic. Plus, Mika shares a traumatic experience from when her daughter was a newborn that taught her to slow down and focus on what matters.Subscribe to "Just Something About Her" with Jennifer Palmieri here: https://therecount.com/podcasts/just-something-about-her Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
5/6/2021 • 44 minutes, 46 seconds
Introducing: News Items Podcast with John Ellis
Ninety percent of the news out there tells you nothing about where the world is going — ten percent of it tells you everything. On the News Items Podcast with John Ellis, John and Rebecca Darst dissect news items that help you understand where the world is going. Tune in every Monday through Thursday afternoon to hear decades of journalistic experience packed into 20 minutes of insight, plus guest interviews on finance, U.S. politics, foreign affairs, science and technology. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
4/28/2021 • 2 minutes, 42 seconds
Introducing: Hell & High Water with John Heilemann
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