This story was first published a couple years back. I re-released it because it's just so full of helpful information. Susan Saurman is a survivor on several levels. Abused by her father when she was young, she also needed to heal from the day he murdered her dear mother. This is part two of a two-part story that spans decades. Susan has not let anything deter her from her mission to use her family's tragedy to help others. My admiration for Susan is immense. We continue to stay in touch and we support each other. Susan's book, "The Courage I Learned ", is on Amazon. Susan is a survivor who has helped thousands of victims to become survivors. NOTE: If you are a survivor and want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, please email me: [email protected] The WHEN DATING HURTS book (paperback, eBook, and audiobook) can only be found on Amazon. HELPFUL RESOURCES: National Domestic Violence Hotline – The Hotline.org – Call 800-799-SAFE LoveIsRespect – Call 866-331-9474 RAINN (Rape Abuse Incest National Network) – RAINN.org – Call 800-656-4673 SUICIDE HELPLINE: Call 988 Thank you for listening to our WHEN DATING HURTS podcast, Bill Mitchell WhenDatingHurts.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The two episodes in this story come with content warnings. This is part two. You may find when listening to this story that the content is too intense for you. If that becomes the case, I strongly urge you: do not continue listening. The descriptions tell of the intense emotional and physical abuse a husband put upon his wife.   I thought many times about whether to publish this story, but I promised myself years ago that listeners deserved the option of knowing about the worst of dating and domestic violence without looking away.   Lisa Clayton is a hero in real terms. She was so nice, sweet and innocent when she dated and married Josh Holden. Josh was, and remains today, a very sick-minded individual. He held no conscience or barriers in what he would do to keep Lisa in line under his thumb.    The purpose of the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast is to inform. You will find in the episode that warning signs that were overlooked and led to the worst kinds of behavior when a relationship continues to be as unhealthy as it can get.  In this story, Lisa Clayton gets to know the real Josh Holden. You will too.   NOTE: If you are a survivor and want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, please email me: [email protected] The WHEN DATING HURTS book (paperback, eBook, and audiobook) can only be found on Amazon. Thank you for listening to our WHEN DATING HURTS podcast, Bill Mitchell WhenDatingHurts.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The two episodes in this story come with content warnings. This is part one. You may find when listening to this story that the content is too intense for you. If that becomes the case, I strongly urge you: do not continue listening. The descriptions tell of the intense emotional and physical abuse a husband put upon his wife.   I thought many times about whether to publish this story, but I promised myself years ago that listeners deserved the option of knowing about the worst of dating and domestic violence without looking away.   Lisa Clayton is a hero in real terms. She was so nice, sweet and innocent when she dated and married Josh Holden. Josh was, and remains today, a very sick-minded individual. He held no conscience or barriers in what he would do to keep Lisa in line under his thumb.    The purpose of the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast is to inform. You will find in the episode that warning signs that were overlooked and led to the worst kinds of behavior when a relationship continues to be as unhealthy as it can get.  In this story, Lisa Clayton gets to know the real Josh Holden. You will too.   NOTE: If you are a survivor and want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, please email me: [email protected] The WHEN DATING HURTS book (paperback, eBook, and audiobook) can only be found on Amazon. Thank you for listening to our WHEN DATING HURTS podcast, Bill Mitchell WhenDatingHurts.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is part three of a three-part story. Julia is an Argentinian woman. As a child, she dreamt of coming to the US to further her education and experience all she had seen on TV and read in books. He path was to become a hard-working au pair as a way to financially make ends meet. She also loved children of all ages. For a while, everything fell into place. She tried dating sites and met American men. One stood out as a man she could imagine marrying one day. He took his time before he showed his true self. That's when his control tactics kicked in and everything went horribly wrong. You will see how easily we can become duped by a narcissist — no matter where in the world we come from. They are practiced individuals who take their time to get to know us before they strike. Julia's story has taken three episodes to tell properly. It's a powerful narrative to share with high school and college students. NOTE: If you are a survivor and want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, please email me: [email protected] The WHEN DATING HURTS book (paperback, eBook, and audiobook) can only be found on Amazon. Thank you for listening to our WHEN DATING HURTS podcast, Bill Mitchell WhenDatingHurts.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is part two of a three-part story. Julia is an Argentinian woman. As a child, she dreamt of coming to the US to further her education and experience all she had seen on TV and read in books. He path was to become a hard-working au pair as a way to financially make ends meet. She also loved children of all ages. For a while, everything fell into place. She tried dating sites and met American men. One stood out as a man she could imagine marrying one day. He took his time before he showed his true self. That's when his control tactics kicked in and everything went horribly wrong. You will see how easily we can become duped by a narcissist — no matter where in the world we come from. They are practiced individuals who take their time to get to know us before they strike. Julia's story takes three episodes to tell properly. It's a powerful narrative to share with high school and college students. NOTE: If you are a survivor and want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, please email me: [email protected] The WHEN DATING HURTS book (paperback, eBook, and audiobook) can only be found on Amazon. Thank you for listening to our WHEN DATING HURTS podcast, Bill Mitchell WhenDatingHurts.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is part one of a three-part story. Julia is an Argentinian woman. As a child, she dreamt of coming to the US to further her education and experience all she had seen on TV and read in books. He path was to become a hard-working au pair as a way to financially make ends meet. She also loved children of all ages. For a while, everything fell into place. She tried dating sites and met American men. One stood out as a man she could imagine marrying one day. He took his time before he showed his true self. That's when his control tactics kicked in and everything went horribly wrong. You will see how easily we can become duped by a narcissist — no matter where in the world we come from. They are practiced individuals who take their time to get to know us before they strike. Julia's story takes three episodes to tell properly. It's a powerful narrative to share with high school and college students. NOTE: If you are a survivor and want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, please email me: [email protected] The WHEN DATING HURTS book (paperback, eBook, and audiobook) can only be found on Amazon. Thank you for listening to our WHEN DATING HURTS podcast, Bill Mitchell WhenDatingHurts.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is part two of three parts with Sabrina.   She met him in her freshman year of college. He was a senior. Was it love at first sight? Maybe for her. Not for him. Jake had other ideas.This story is meant for parents with daughters in, or soon entering, college. It should be a time when they begin to take off in life and learn to find their way. But it be a time when they display their innocence and are easy prey for predators.Sabrina was a trusting young woman who put her life in the hands of a man who knew how to manipulate her until she had no power at all. The more she gave the more he took.We ask ourselves how these kinds of toxic/dangerous relationships take hold. We ask why a smart person doesn't just pick up and leave. This story will explain this from the POV of someone who still cannot understand how she had this happen to her.   This is Sabrina's story.   NOTE:   If you want to share your story of abuse on the         WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, email me: [email protected] you for listening to our podcast,                Bill Mitchell                 WhenDatingHurts.com- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Thanks to my wonderful sponsors.            When you purchase any of these products, a portion the    sales helps us keep this podcast running.BlendJet                • Use my special link: zen.ai/WhenDatingHurts12  to        SAVE 12%  at blendjet.com.          The discount will be applied at checkout!Cure Hydration                Try Cure today and feel the difference for yourself!                • Use my link: https://zen.ai/WhenDatingHurts1 for          20% OFF your order, coupon activated at check out!Nom Nom                Try Nom Nom today, go to trynom.com/whendatinghurts and GET 50% OFF your first order plus free shipping.

This is part one of three parts with Sabrina. She met him in her freshman year of college. He was a senior. Was it love at first sight? Maybe for her. Not for him. Jake had other ideas. This story is meant for parents with daughters in, or soon entering, college. It should be a time when they begin to take off in life and learn to find their way. But it be a time when they display their innocence and are easy prey for predators. Sabrina was a trusting young woman who put her life in the hands of a man who knew how to manipulate her until she had no power at all. The more she gave the more he took. We ask ourselves how these kinds of toxic/dangerous relationships take hold. We ask why a smart person doesn't just pick up and leave. This story will explain this from the POV of someone who still cannot understand how she had this happen to her. This is Sabrina's story. NOTE:  If you want to share your story of abuse on the        WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, email me: [email protected] you for listening to our podcast,               Bill Mitchell                WhenDatingHurts.com- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Thanks to my wonderful sponsors.           When you purchase any of these products, a portion the    sales helps us keep this podcast running.BlendJet               • Use my special link: zen.ai/WhenDatingHurts12  to       SAVE 12%  at blendjet.com.         The discount will be applied at checkout!Cure Hydration               Try Cure today and feel the difference for yourself!               • Use my link: https://zen.ai/WhenDatingHurts1 for         20% OFF your order, coupon activated at check out!Nom Nom               Try Nom Nom today, go to trynom.com/whendatinghurts and GET 50% OFF your first order plus free shipping.

This is part two of a two-part story. Taylor is a 39-year-old survivor from northern New York. She is two years with no contact from her emotionally abusive ex-partner.    The only way she was able to escape was by educating herself about these types of individuals, and she thinks it’s important to reinforce the gut feelings that most of us feel when we first get involved.Taylor felt sorry for her ex-partner and let her empathy overpower her intuition. She has learned much since leaving this man and truly feels like she is a completely different person now.She has boundaries, self-love, and self-respect once again. She says, “Leaving was the hardest thing I have ever done, and I truly feel that if I did not leave correctly I would have been murdered.”    The final straw was when he used intimidation as well as stalking. He showed who he truly was at the end, but she also showed him who she truly was by never giving in.Taylor: “I’m so incredibly grateful for podcasts like yours. It’s two years later and I still think of him daily. These types of people are imbedded into our psyches. The knowledge (WHEN DATING HURTS) passes along is invaluable and definitely keeps me headed in the only safe direction which is far away from him. Thank you so very much.”   Listen to Taylor’s story and watch as the warning signs are made present—and how she disregards them. This is another cautionary tale that offers us insights into how dating and domestic violence sneaks in and take innocent people over.NOTE: If you want to share your story of abuse on the       WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, email me: [email protected] you for listening to our podcast,              Bill Mitchell               WhenDatingHurts.com- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Thanks to my wonderful sponsors.          When you purchase any of these products, a portion the    sales helps us keep this podcast running.BlendJet              • Use my special link: zen.ai/WhenDatingHurts12  to      SAVE 12%  at blendjet.com.        The discount will be applied at checkout!Cure Hydration              Try Cure today and feel the difference for yourself!              • Use my link: https://zen.ai/WhenDatingHurts1 for        20% OFF your order, coupon activated at check out!Nom Nom              Try Nom Nom today, go to trynom.com/whendatinghurts  and GET 50% OFF your first order plus free shipping.

This is part two in a three-part story.Danielle Patrice received very few breaks in life. Her parents divorced when she was young, and when she was in her early twenties, she lost her mother. Danielle was forced to figure out life by herself, and she did a magnificent job of doing so.A close male friend became her boyfriend. But, once his role changed, so did his handling of their relationship. In little time, he moved through the stages of abuse: emotional to physical. Danielle had no awareness of dating abuse warning signs, so she stayed with him as things became worse.The couple became married, and they had a son. Danielle had hope to create the traditional nuclear family she did not have growing up, but the relationship she was in had too many problems for this to reachable.Danielle’s story take time to tell. Therefore, it comes to you in three episodes. As with all our WHEN DATING HURTS interviews, there is much to be learned from those who have lived dating and domestic violence.Although Danielle’s narrative has many turns for the worse, it ends with her breaking free and writing a highly researched book that is now available. It is entitled, "Neuroscience: The Ecosystem of Domestic Violence”.NOTE:     If you want to share your story of abuse on the       WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, email me: [email protected] you for listening to our podcast,              Bill Mitchell WhenDatingHurts.com- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Thanks to my wonderful sponsors.          When you purchase any of these products, a portion the    sales helps us keep this podcast running.BlendJet              • Use my special link: zen.ai/WhenDatingHurts12  to SAVE 12%  at blendjet.com.       The discount will be applied at checkout!Cure Hydration              Try Cure today and feel the difference for yourself!              • Use my link: https://zen.ai/WhenDatingHurts1 for       20% OFF your order, coupon activated at check out!Nom Nom              Try Nom Nom today, go to trynom.com/whendatinghurts  and GET 50% OFF your first order plus free shipping.

This is part one of a two-part narrative.ear on this WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast episode was created by artificial intelligence. It is not a real person's voice.The words spoken are a composite of beliefs and concepts expressed by dating and domestic abusers found within notes and interviews. They have been collected over nearly two decades. They have been combined to form complete ideas and thoughts.   The purpose of this episode is to illustrate how abusers often portray themselves as the victims. There is not one "portrait" that fits all abusers, of course. But let it be said that many never take ownership of their words or actions, and they justify any abusive and destructive behaviors.     NOTE:        If you want to share your story of abuse on the       WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, email me: [email protected] you for listening to our podcast,         Bill Mitchell         Website: WhenDatingHurts.comContent/Trigger Warnings: domestic abuse, domestic violence, alcoholism, and graphic violence.

Emily McCoy facilitates the Financial Empowerment Program at Laurel House, the largest domestic violence agency in Montgomery County, PA. Laurel House serves individuals, families, and communities.Financial Abuse does not get enough attention. It is found in 99% of domestic violence cases. This interview with Emily covers the most common facets of financial abuse. She will discuss ways to prevent this from happening, and how to regain financial independence. Ideas and insights into how to assist financially abused individuals make this a compelling WHEN DATING HURTS episode that needs to be heard and shared.     NOTE:    If you want to share your story of abuse on the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast, email me: [email protected]        Thank you for listening to our podcast,    Bill Mitchell     WhenDatingHurts.com- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Support for the WHEN DATING HURTS Podcast comesfrom these wonderful sponsors: Sun & Swell If you're looking for a more planet-friendly pantry, shop  Sun & Swell and GET 20% OFF site wide when you go to sunandswellfoods.com using the link mentioned in this podcast episode.   • Use my special link to SAVE 20% on your order at sunandswellfoods.com.    Liquid I.V. and Liquid I.V. Sugar Free Real People. Real Flavor. Real Hydrating.   • GET 20% OFF when you go to LiquidIV.com and use the link  I mention in this episode at check out.   • That's 20% OFF ANYTHING you order when you shop better hydration today using my promo code at LiquidIV.com.