Lysa TerKeurst is president and chief visionary officer of Proverbs 31 Ministries and the author of seven New York Times bestsellers, including Good Boundaries and Goodbyes, Forgiving What You Can't Forget, and It's Not Supposed to Be This Way. Her latest book is I Want To Trust You, But I Don’t (October 2024, Thomas Nelson).  She enjoys life with her husband, Chaz, and her kids and grandkids. Connect with her at www.LysaTerKeurst.com or on social media @LysaTerKeurst.In this episode, Lysa engages in a conversation with her friend and Grove visionary, Shelley Giglio, about trust, skepticism, and using discernment in relationships. Lysa beautifully explores the tension between self-preservation and gospel-driven healing through her own testimony of continued forgiveness as a pathway to freedom. Together, Shelley and Lysa unpack practical ways to move forward from places of hurt and how to invite life-giving community back into your life when fear feels overwhelming. The Grove is part of the Passion City Church family here in Atlanta, Georgia. Follow @pcc_thegrove on Instagram and visit thegroveonline.com for more information around The Grove heartbeat.