That new thing might be scary, but when you face it head-on, knees shaking, heart hammering, that's brave of you. Resource: Check out the resource mentioned in today's A Little More on Suzie's facebook page. 

Author Morgan Krueger joins us for a conversation about how shame makes us hide and ways we can step into the freedom of knowing we’re fully loved.ResourcesGoodbye Hiding, Hello Freedom by Morgan Krueger

Holley reminds you that you are loved just as much on your worst days as you are on your best, and that means you can let your soul rest. Resources365 Truths for Every Woman’s Heart by Holley

Emily Wierenga, author of God Who Became Bread, shares how God wants to fill us in the ways we long for most. ResourcesEmily Wierenga

Jennifer encourages us to find the strengths attached to our struggles, exploring ways to build in the support we need in life, and permission to make room for our flaws.Jennifer’s FB page

When asked what she’s most passionate about, Jennifer shares how approaching our health struggles with compassion and curiosity allows us to learn helpful tools to thrive and fight discouragement.ResourcesJennifer’s FB Page

If you ever worry that your brokenness could keep God from using you, Holley’s words will bring you comfort and change your perspective.Resources365 Truths for Every Woman’s Heart by Holley

Author and speaker Simi John joins us for a conversation about how God meets us in our broken places and invites us into wholeness. ResourcesSimi John 

Breaking down the walls between ourselves and others may feel risky, but it helps us live just a little more free.  Resource: Join Suzie at Threads - @Suzanne.Eller or on Facebook - @SuzanneEller. If you have a question or thought to share with Suzie, contact her through suzanneeller.com. 

When asked what she is passionate about, Suzie shares the change that can happen when we are strong enough for each other – what that looks like, and the impact of lifting women up. Resources: Join Suzie on Facebook at @SuzanneEller to share your comments, check out resources, and to grow togetHER. 

“Take Heart, Daughter.” If you’re losing heart because of hurt or a hard circumstance in your life, Holley shares how these three words from Jesus are a reminder that you’re deeply loved, seen, and there is hope. ResourcesHeal After You’re Hurt course from Holley

Holley shares what she’s learning about what it means to feel safe, why it matters, and how it aligns with the heart of God for us. Our conversation includes biblical truth, a bit of brain science, and steps you can take toward feeling safer today. ResourcesSubscribe to HolleyGerth.com

Leading isn’t a rigid calling but a trust walk with the one who called you.Resource:Come With Me (Revised Version) by Suzanne Eller

Sophie Hudson is the author of the new book A Fine Sight to See and host of the popular Big Boo cast. Drawing from the story of Moses, our conversation will help you see yourself as a leader wherever you are and whatever God is calling you to do. ResourcesA Fine Sight to See 

Jennifer shares that we can put on strength and speak to our deepest fears, “You are no match for who God has created me to be.”ResourcesJennifer’s FB page

Ligia Andrade, founder of Anew Ministries, joins for a conversation about what boldness truly means. It’s not about personality or being loud but about what Jesus wants to do in and through each of us as his beloved daughters. ResourcesAnew Ministries

Bri Stensrud is an author, human dignity advocate, and the Director of Women of Welcome. She joins us for a conversation about a topic many of us are hesitant to discuss, immigration. We go deep to discover the heart of Jesus and the real women behind the news headlines. ResourcesWomen of Welcome 

Suzie shares some ways you can be a good friend when someone is in a battle.Resource: 21 Invitations from Jesus by Suzie

Jennifer shares something new she’s working on, a resource and community called Emotional Support Humans. Whether you’re in crisis or love someone who is, our conversation will help you feel more encouraged and equipped for whatever you’re facing. ResourcesEmotional Support Humans 

Jennifer reminds us, whatever battle you're facing today? You're worth fighting for.

All of us have run from Jesus at one time or another. The good news? We serve a God who runs too. We have a conversation about how he comes for us, even when we least expect it or feel we don’t deserve it. ResourcesJoin the More Than Small Talk Facebook Page

Holley shares some reminders to help your soul take a deep breath today. ResourcesYouVersion Plans by Holley

You can come BOLDLY to God with your every need, hurt, and desire. If that sometimes feels hard, join us for a heart-freeing, shame-defeating conversation.Resources21 Invitations from Jesus by Suzanne Eller

Imagine yourself as whole and healedResource:21 Invitations from Jesus by Suzanne Eller 

Do you think of Jesus being relentlessly tender toward you? We talk about why that’s true and how it can heal our hearts. ResourcesYouVersion Plans by Holley

If you love someone who is struggling, your place is a support role, and that’s hard to figure out. It’s okay to not have all the answers because none of us do. Jennifer shares how we can trust God to lead them through a painful season and offer support as they heal.ResourcesLet Them Wrestle, Jennifer’s FB page

Have you ever received unwelcome advice? We have–and we’ve given it too! We talk about how to handle advice and ways we can create safe space for others, especially during challenging times in their lives. ResourcesHeal After You’re Hurt, new online course by Holley 

Join Holley as she shares a manifesto for using our words to heal instead of harm. ResourcesHeal After You're Hurt, new online course by Holley

Storyteller, city dweller, author, and missionary Shauna Pilgreen joins us for a conversation about her new book, Translating Jesus. We talk about how to speak two languages, Christ and culture, and ways to share the gospel by loving well. ResourcesTranslating Jesus by Shauna Pilgreen

When we look back with an eye for celebration, we can look ahead with confidence.Resource21 Invitations from Jesus by Suzanne Eller. 

Showing up as we are is courageous, and having safe people in our lives who help us do so can be powerful. We talk about times when someone has done that for us, and how we can do the same for others. ResourcesCome with Me by Suzie Eller

Jennifer shares about one strong woman in the Bible who reached out to Jesus in her weakest moment. Freedom and healing is an active role, it’s reaching out to Jesus and telling your whole truth as a beloved daughter.

What kind of freedom do you long for in your life? We share our answers, what gets in the way, and how we can all move toward freedom together. ResourcesFreedom, by Jennifer

Some seasons are for growth, some seasons are for healing. If you're in the latter, be kind to yourself and embrace the work God is doing in you- it has great value. ResourcesHeal After You're Hurt, new online course by Holley

"Other people have it worse." If you've ever said this to yourself or heard it from someone else, then let's replace the guilt and shame these words cause with heart-freeing truth. ResourcesThe Mended Heart and The Unburdened Heart by Suzanne Eller

The greatest mistake we can make is to turn away from Jesus when we need him most.Resource: 21 Invitations from Jesus by Suzanne Eller

How do you recover when "the right thing" goes wrong? We have a conversation about rebuilding trust with ourselves, others, and God. ResourcesHeal After You're Hurt, new online course by HolleyUse code Heal25 for 25% off

Have you ever had one of those days where nothing seems to go right? It's easy to beat ourselves up with negative self-talk and that is why it's so important to learn how to talk to ourselves like we would a friend.

Do you feel like you’ve lost your voice? We talk about how that can happen, what we can do to find our voice again, and what the God who loves us wants to speak to us too. ResourcesThe Mended Heart and The Unburdened Heart by Suzie Eller

You're in a season of a lot, so be a little gentler with yourself today. You're not late or behind, healing takes time. ResourcesHeal After You're Hurt, new online course by Holley

Feeling stuck in past hurts? Lauren Vander Linden, author of I Want to Move On, joins us for a conversation about healing and moving forward. ResourcesI Want to Move On by Lauren Vander Linden

Jesus offers us more than a drop. He offers more. 

What are you longing for in your life that you haven't received yet? We talk about seasons of waiting and hoping, as well as what we can learn from the biblical story of Hannah. ResourcesSubscribe to More Than Small Talk on your favorite app and leave us a review!

Perfectionism is crippling and keeps us from stepping out in faith. Jennifer encourages us to realize that now more than ever, people need to see our vulnerable, messy self to connect with us on a deeper level. 

What questions keep you up at night? Author and podcaster Sarah Bragg shares about her new book and gives us permission, new freedom, and helpful truth our restless hearts need.ResourcesIs Everyone Happier than Me? by Sarah Bragg

Holley shares encouragement about why you're here for such a time as this, and reminds you that you're making a difference wherever you are today. ResourcesSubscribe to holleygerth.com

Who is a history changer in your life? We share about women who have impacted us, revisit well-known stories in Scripture, and talk through how we can be history changers too.ResourcesThe Mom I Want to Be by Suzanne Eller

It’s not too late for a new legacy, for you and her. 

Podcast App & KLRC.comAuthor Kristen Hallinan joins us to talk about her book, Legacy Changer: Heal the Hurt, Redeem Your Story, Create Hope for Your Family. ResourcesLegacy Changer by Kristen Hallinan

Jennifer shares about her favorite Gutsy Girl in scriptures and encourages us to keep reaching out to Jesus in hope even when life hurts!ResourcesFreedom, by Jennifer

Do you feel like you're losing heart? We look at the story of a woman in Scripture who reached out to touch Jesus and how He still says, "Take heart, Daughter" to each of us in ways we need today. ResourcesHeal After You're Hurt, a new course by Holley

Holley shares a story about her grandfather and when the best time in your life to say “yes” to God.ResourcesYou’re Made for a God-sized Dream by Holley 

Author Rachel G. Scott joins us to share the 5 leaps found in Scripture and how God invites all of us to new adventures with Him.ResourcesTaking the 5 Leaps by Rachel G. Scott

When we long for God ResourcePrayer Starters Podcast

Does God really want you? YES! We look at the story of the Samaritan woman and how it can speak to us in ways our hearts need today. ResourcesJoin the More Than Smalltalk Facebook Page

Jennifer shares about what we are becoming in the process of waiting, reaching out, and seeking God is worth the effort it takes to keep going. It’s actually how warriors are made! ResourcesJennifer’s book: Freedom

Author and Speaker Lisa Whittle joins us to talk about her book, I Want God, and how only he can truly satisfy our deepest desires. ResourcesI Want God by Lisa Whittle

Have you ever had one of those days where nothing seems to go right? It's easy to beat ourselves up with negative self-talk and that is why it's so important to learn how to talk to ourselves like we would a friend.

Today we're revisiting a past conversation that was a favorite, because we all need the reminder that what we say to ourselves matters. We talk through why it’s easy to be our worst critic and ways to replace the harsh voice inside with one that’s helpful, encouraging, and life-giving. ResourcesJoy Keeper by Suzie Eller

Joy isn't something we have to force or fake; it's something that comes to us, often in the most unexpected moments. ResourcesHolleyGerth.com - Stop by for a free excerpt of Holley's latest devotional, What Your Mind Needs for Anxious Moments.

Joy can be surprisingly complicated. We have an honest conversation about our struggles with joy, our false beliefs about it, and how we can embrace heart-freeing truth instead. ResourcesJoy Keeper by Suzie Eller

Joy is for you too. Resource Two free chapters of Suzie’s books, JoyKeeper and The Spirit Led Heart

What is toxic "joy" and how can it harm us? If you've ever been told to put on a happy face when you're hurting inside, this episode will have healing words for you. ResourccesJennifer's website

What does count it all joy mean to you? Jennifer encourages us to pursue joy even during the darkest times in our life.ResourcesJennifer’s website

What's your definition of joy? We share ours (and learn we might be a little off- ha!) Suzie guides us through a conversation about what true, Biblical joy really means. ResourcesJoy Keeper by Suzie Eller

There will never be a moment in your story when you are not fully loved. Holley shares truth to remind your heart of that today. ResourcesHolleyGerth.com- Stop by for a free excerpt of Holley's latest devotional, What Your Mind Needs for Anxious Moments.

Author Alexandra Hoover joins us to talk about how she learned to see God's love even in the hardest moments of her life, and how we can do the same.ResourcesWithout Wavering by Alexandra Hoover

God longs to talk with us, even when words are hard to find.

Janet McHenry joins us to talk about how you can go from feeling like a "prayer failure" to connecting with him in ways that fit who he created you to be. ResourcesPraying Personalities by Janet McHenry

Man-made rules don’t change us, but a relationship with our Savior does. Resource: Come with Me by Suzie Eller

Do you sometimes feel like you have to handle everything on your own? Set down the heaviness of that pressure and remember you're never alone.

It won’t always hurt like this. There is a steadiness that can be found even in our stuck places. Resources: Ladies Night Out LIVE Episode

When life gets tough, it can seem like we’ll always feel the way we do right now. But there is hope ahead and your healing is worth fighting for today. ResourcesHeal After You’re Hurt - New Course by Holley

Holley has an aha moment: the enemy often lies to us in the areas of our giftings. Let’s keep fighting for the truth in our lives, and do the same for our sisters too. ResourcesHeal After You’re Hurt - New Course by Holley

“Did God really say…?” The enemy went after Eve with this one phrase, and he still does the same with our hearts today. The good news: Yes, God really did say we’re loved, chosen, enough, and more! ResourcesThe Spirit-Led Heart by Suzie

If you find yourself overwhelmed by social media, you're not alone. Holley shares a few strategies to help you use social media strategically and intentionally.

Social media can be overwhelming for all of us. How do we use it intentionally rather than impulsively? We talk about how to be the boss of social media rather than feeling controlled by it.ResourcesJoy Keeper by Suzie

Did you know that you are beautiful? You are. You absolutely are. 

Do you feel pressure to look a certain way? We do too. Join us for a conversation about how we can practice gratitude for our bodies, listen to them, and focus on what works for us rather than working hard to achieve impossible beauty standards. ResourcesSubscribe to More than Small Talk on your favorite app and leave us a review!

In a world that often glorifies the hustle mentality, so many of us begin to question our true worth wondering if we aren’t measuring up. Jennifer encourages us to give ourselves more compassion and let go of the comparison that the hustle culture drives us towards. 

Hustle means exceeding our personal capacity in a way that hurts us in order to get the approval of other people. We have a conversation about why we’re all tempted to do this and a healthier approach that can replace it in 2024. ResourcesFreedom by Jennifer Watson

Holley shares why we can let go of the expectations that weigh us down.

The New Year can bring pressure to meet expectations. We talk through how to pursue “being” instead of “doing,” what helps us live loved, and what’s even better than getting a gold star. ResourcesYou’re Already Amazing by Holley 

When God does big things with a small yes.Resource The Spirit-Led Heart: Living a Life of Live and Faith Beyond Borders by Suzanne Eller

What are you saying "yes" to in 2024 and what are you saying "no" to? We share our answers and help you think through what you want more and less of in your life as you start a new year. ResourcesFor more about micro goals, go to HolleyGerth.com and enter "micro goals" in the search box.

Jennifer shares some thoughts about how to move forward into a new year, with new hope.

We look back over 2023 and look forward to our fifth year of More Than Small Talk. Join us to reflect on your life and intentionally consider what’s next for you too. ResourcesHas More than Small Talk been helpful to you? Here are three ways to say thank you! 1) Subscribe on your favorite podcast app 2) Leave us a review 3) Join the More than Small Talk Facebook group 

Nothing you do or don’t do will ever change God’s love for you. Holley’s words will remind you that you’re loved anyway and always. ResourcesWhat’s True About You by Holley

Do you ever struggle with believing you're loved? We talk about why being someone Jesus loves is your identity, security, and a truth nothing and no one can ever change. ResourcesThe Spirit-Led Heart by Suzie Eller

Your people matter, but you matter too. 

Jenn Schultz, author of She's Not Your Enemy, joins us to talk about trading comparison for compassion, finding security in our identity in Christ, and how to have healthier relationships with each other as women.She's Not Your Enemy by Jenn Schultz

Jennifer shares how pressure can steal our peace this holiday season, and what to do about it.

Peace. It's a gift we all want this time of year but it can be hard to find. We talk about three different kinds of peace and what brings them to our lives. ResourcesWhat Your Mind Needs for Anxious Moments by Holley Gerth

Sometimes we want to know the right answer, but what our souls need even more is to release our expectations and embrace the mystery of the story God is writing in our lives. ResourcesHolleyGerth.com

Even Christians often differ in their beliefs about certain issues. How can we love each other well, even when we don’t share the same perspective? Our producer Kara Culver joins us as we explore this tricky topic.ResourcesMore Than Smalltalk Facebook page

Giving ourselves room to live in the tension in healthy ways.

Introvert or extrovert? We dive deeper into this topic and how it affects our relationships so we can all love each other better. Resources The Powerful Purpose of Introverts by Holley

Loving people who disagree with us is HARD. Holley shares 7 words that have helped her.

How can our differences make us better instead of divide us? We continue our series about loving like Jesus with counselor Richard Eller.

Listen as Jennifer shares a part of her message from KLRC's Ladies Night Out about one of the lies our hearts believe.

This special episode was recorded at Christian Life Cathedral in Fayetteville, as a part of KLRC's Ladies Night Out!

If you need a boost of courage and confidence today, Holley shares what it means to be Fiercehearted.

What’s your natural tendency to conflict–flight, fight, or fawn? Counselor Richard Eller joins us to talk about each one, how to manage our reactions, and ways we can have healthy, intentional responses instead.ResourcesJoin us in person for the first ever KLRC Ladies Night Out!

In today's A Little More we are sharing something a little different. Suzie is co-host of More Than Small Talk with Holley and Jennifer, but she also hosts Prayer Starters, a daily 2-3 minute prayer podcast. Today we are sharing one of those episodes titled Untangled. Resources Prayer Starters Podcast with Suzanne Eller

Jill Duggar and Derick Dillard join us for a conversation about their new book, Counting the Cost, and how you can go from feeling entangled in someone else’s story to being fully present in your own. ResourcesCounting the Cost by Jill Duggar

That promise might feel risky, but if God is behind it’s a healthy risk. 

What’s a Promised Land in your life, either one you dwell in now or that you’re praying for in the future? We have a conversation about the joys as well as challenges of embracing the places God has for us.ResourcesYou’re Already Amazing by HolleyJoin us in person for the first ever KLRC Ladies Night Out!

Sometimes when we don’t handle things well we feel a lot of shame. Looking at how far we’ve come can help us move forward with freedom and grace! ResourcesJennifer’s Website

“I can’t” is a phrase we’ve all spoken at some point. We talk about what makes us say it and how we can get past what’s holding us back from God’s best for us!ResourcesThe Spirit-Led Heart by SuzieJoin us in person for the first ever KLRC Ladies Night Out!

What is your story today? Holley shares hope-filled words about how wherever you are now, it is not the end and God is still holding the pen. ResourcesFiercehearted by HolleyJoin us in person for the first ever KLRC Ladies Night Out!

Author and podcaster Mary Marantz joins us to share her story of going from a single wide trailer to law school at Yale only to discover she still didn’t feel like enough. She talks with us about how God transformed not just her story but her heart, and how he wants to do the same for you.ResourcesMaryMarantz.comJoin us in person for the first ever KLRC Ladies Night Out!

4 ways forgiveness sets your thoughts freeResource: The Unburdened Heart - Finding the Freedom of Forgiveness 

What is something that holds you captive? Maybe it’s a lie you believe, an expectation you’re trying to meet, or a situation that is no longer healthy for you. We talk about how to get out of your “Egypt” so you can be truly free. ResourcesFreedom by Jennifer WatsonJoin us in person for the first ever KLRC Ladies Night Out!

Jennifer shares thoughts about how to move away from shame and move toward healing.

Who did you used to be? However you would answer that question points to a source of grief in your life. Chuck and Ashley Elliot join us to talk about navigating the big and small losses in our lives so we can find a new path forward. ResourcesI Used to Be _______ by Chuck and Ashley Elliot

Holley reminds us why it's okay to still be in progress and how God's goal for our lives isn't perfection, it's growing a little more with Him each day. ResourcesWhat Your Mind Needs for Anxious Moments by Holley Gerth

What do you apologize for about who you are? We answer this question and talk about how to stop saying we're sorry and start saying what we need as strong women who know they're loved. Resources Join us in person for the first ever KLRC Ladies Night Out!

It’s never to late to let go.

Author Alli Worthington joins us for a conversation about how to be an emotionally healthy and confident mom. She’ll help you get rid of guilt, learn how to truly take care of yourself, and make you laugh a lot too. ResourcesRemaining You While Raising Them by Alli Worthington 

Jennifer reminds us, whatever battle you're facing today? You're worth fighting for.

Who are you, really? We talk about what we're learning about who we are, how we can keep getting to know the people we love, and why our true identity isn't defined by our struggles or circumstances. ResourcesJoin us in person for the first ever KLRC Ladies Night Out!

Holley reminds us that we are not messes or mistakes as women, we are masterpieces made by a creative God. ResourcesIntrovert by Design by Holley Gerth

Author Rachel Marie Kang joins us for a conversation about why we're all creative (even if we don't think so) and how we can bring more creative joy into our lives. ResourcesLet There Be Art by Rachel Marie Kang

Throwing her a rope is good. Giving yourself the same gift is good.

Do you or someone in your life need a lifeline? We al do from time to time! We talk about why it's hard to ask for help and how we can support each other.ResourcesJoin us November 4th for the first ever KLRC Ladies Night Out! Find out more and get your tickets at KLRC.com!

Jennifer encourages us to make a Soul Destination Map naming what areas you need breakthrough in and list three motivations for moving forward, then challenges us to build the community we need by finding a tribe to do life with!ResourcesFreedom by Jennifer Watson

Bestselling author and speaker Susie Larson joins us for a conversation about experiencing God’s presence even in your toughest moments. ResourcesCloser than Your Next Breath by Susie Larson 

Holley shares how failure and success are more closely connected than we may think and why you're in good company when you fail. ResourcesFree Excerpt of What Your Mind Needs for Anxious Moments at holleygerth.com/anxiety

Sometimes failure is success. That may sound strange, so we explain in this conversation that will change your perspective on the moments when you feel weakest.ResourcesJoin us November 3rd for the first ever KLRC Ladies Night Out! Find out more and get your tickets at KLRC.com.

We might not be able to fix her situation, but together we make a difference. 

Guest Michelle Donnelly author of Made for More and founder of the PlusONE ministry for single parents, talks with us about how God meets us in our places of overwhelm and unburdens our overloaded hearts. ResourcesPlusONEParents

We can find peace knowing that the same God who directs our paths, is the same God that directs our waiting. We can trust him even when it’s hard to wait. 

Are you in a season of transition? We talk about times of change in our lives, what helps when everything feels uncertain, and what you can trust will always stay the same. ResourcesPrayer Starters by Suzie Eller

Don’t despise small beginnings. God sees what it is becoming. 

Katie Lewis, founder of the popular jewelry and accessory company, Dear Mushka, joins us to talk about juggling business with fay, what she wishes she knew when starting her dream, and what she's still learning. ResourcesDear Mushka

Holley shares three ways you can live more like a candle and less like a firework, plus an encouraging reminder that you are shining wherever you are today. ResourcesIntrovert by Design by Holley Gerth

Do you feel pressure to impress people or like you might be burning out? Then you might need a season of being a candle, not a firework. We talk about what that means and how this strategy has helped us figure out what's sustainable in our lives. ResourcesIntrovert by Design by Holley Gerth

Sometimes we feel out of control when we are stepping out in faith and being launched into a new season. But take heart, Warrior, God is ordering each step you take. ResourcesJennifer's Website

What's the thing God is calling you to do? Whatever it is, author and fellow podcaster Rebecca George wants to help you! In her conversation with us and her new book, Do the Thing, she shares encouragement, practical strategies, and truth to help you take your next step. ResourcesDo the Thing by Rebecca George

We're all tempted to hide our true selves, but when we show up as we are that's when real connection happens. Holley shares why she's falling in love with awkwardness and extends an invitation for all of us to be our authentic selves. Resources: Introvert by Design by Holley

Have you ever shared your heart, taken a risk, or pursued a dream then wondered what you were thinking? Then you've had a vulnerability hangover. We talk about what the term means, why we get them, and what can help us keep being brave. ResourcesYou're Made for a God Sized Dream by Holley

One Surprising Secret to a Good LifeResources: Come With Me: Discovering the Beauty of Following Where He Leads by Suzanne (Suzie) Eller 

How can you have a good life even when bad things happen? Author and speaker Jennifer Rothschild, who has been blind since the age of fifteen, shares what she's discovered through her own journey as well as her new Bible Study on the book of Amos.ResourcesAmos: Invitation to the Good Life by Jennifer Rothschild

Survival mode makes us feel like a slacker, but it isn’t true. Jennifer shares truth you heart needs when you’re in survival mode. ResourcesJennifer’s website

It’s Upsy Daisy Day! This silly minor holiday is a reminder that we all make mistakes and we can get back up. We share the history behind it, our “upsy daisy” moments, and how we can help each other try again. ResourcesJoin us for KLRC’s Ladies Night Out! Find out more at KLRC.com. 

It's okay if you feel weak or like you're failing. Holley reminds you why you're stronger than you think you are. ResourcesIntrovert by Design by Holley

Have you faced heartbreak? Author and podcaster Jodi Rosser joins us to share how God used the hardest things in her life to bring her to a place of deep healing.ResourcesDepth: Growing through Heartbreak to Strength by Jodi Rosser

That thing you are doing doesn’t have to be perfect to matter. 

Does what you’re doing matter? YES! We have a conversation about how even the small things in our lives can be significant. ResourcesFreedom by Jennifer Watson

Do you feel like your To-Do list is bossing you around? You can come to Jesus and he will give you rest. ResourcesJennifer's website

God wants to use you as you are, where you are, in whatever season you're in. We talk through why that's true and what helps when it's hard to remember. ResourcesJoy Keeper by Suzie

You are intentionally created as an introvert or extrovert and we need you to be who God created you to be! ResourcesIntrovert by Design by Holley

God intentionally created you! Holley shares insights and encouragement from her new guided journal, Introvert by Design. ResourcesIntrovert by Design by Holley

Your path to leading doesn’t have to look like anyone else.

Catherine Gates, author of The Confidence Cornerstone, joins us to talk about the challenges women face in leadership and what can help us become more confident as we step into all God has called us to do. ResourcesThe Confidence Cornerstone by Catherin Gates

Life might not always look how we hoped it would, but life can still be good. This episode reminds us who to turn to for the emotional strength we need. ResourcesSubscribe to Jennifer's website for moEre encouragement

Karen Doll joins us to talk about what it means to be psychologically fit, especially at work. She shares what helps with burnout and how to get mentally and emotionally stronger. ResourcesBuilding Psychological Fitness by Dr. Karen Doll

Day not going the way you planned? Try embracing the wonky! Holley shares unexpected advice from a recent mini-adventure in her life. ResourcesHolleyGerth.comBethwoessner.com

Do you need a strategy to add more fun to your life, help you heal, or grow closer to the people you love? We talk about how mini-adventures can do all that and more! ResourcesSubscribe to Holley’s site for more encouragement (and occasional mini-adventure updates) 

God and his power is constant in our ups and downs.

Jenny Randle, author of Flash Theology, takes us beyond learning theology to how we can truly live it. She helps us be less intimidated and more engaged in getting to know God and His Word (plus she makes us laugh a lot too).Resources:Flash Theology by Jenny Randle

Have you ever had one of those days where nothing seems to go right? It's easy to beat ourselves up with negative self-talk and that is why it's so important to learn how to talk to ourselves like we would a friend.

What we say to ourselves matters. We talk through why it's easy too be our own worst critic and ways to replace the harsh voice inside with one that's helpful, encouraging, and life-giving. ResourcesJoy Keeper by Suzie Eller

Holley shares her 93 year-old Grandpa's advice for aging well along with truth to give us hope for our journey toward Home.

How can you age with courage and joy? We talk through our fears about aging, what true beauty means, and how to become a better, stronger human with each year that passes. ResourcesFiercehearted by Holley

I’m scarred. You’re scarred. Our scars are beautiful to God.

Is accepting your body a struggle? Tori Stanley, therapist and contestant on Survivor 42, shares how we can replace self-criticism with a more realistic and loving relationship with our bodies. ResourcesTori Stanley, Therapist and Coach

Jennifer encourages us to know our true worth in Christ instead of throwing away our confidence.ResourcesSubscribe to Jennifer’s encouraging emails

If you've ever struggled with body image, this conversation with Rachael Gilbert, author of Image Restored, will encourage you. She shares her story along with truth and practical steps for changing the way we see ourselves. ResourcesImage Restored by Rachael Gilbert

How do you know if someone in your life is safe? Holley shares a checklist based on 1 Corinthians 13. Resources:You're Already Amazing by Holley

Are you walking through a hard season or healing from hurt in a relationship? Lysa Terkeurst, new York Times bestselling author of You're Going to Make it, joins us to share her hard-won wisdom on healing. Resources:You're Going to Make It by Lysa Terkeurst

Those feelings are valid. God is a safe place to share them as healing begins.

Do you carry hurt that came from your relationship with your father? Kia Stephens, author of Father Wounds, shares how you can exchange the failings of your earthly father for the unfailing love of your heavenly one. ResourcesFather Wounds by Kia Stephens

Friends celebrating and showing up for one another is the ultimate win. Friends help you find your missing pieces and pray you back home when you’ve lost your way. And, when it's your time to shine, they will be right next to you cheering the loudest.Resourceswww.facebook.com/jenniferreneewriter

Do you want to feel more connected but find community challenging at times? You're not the only one. Becky Keife, editor of the (in)courage book Come Sit with Me, shares real-life stories and strategies for stronger relationships. ResourcesCome Sit with Me by (in)courage

Holley shares three reasons why awkward moments can actually make you MORE likeable. Resources: The Powerful Purpose of Introverts by Holley

Do you wonder what it really means to love your neighbors or how to make that happen? Shannan Martin, author of Start with Hello, gives us encouragement and practical strategies for everything from hospitality to small talk.Resources:Start with Hello by Shannan Martin

Healing is hard work, and you are worth it.

Has life turned out differently than you planned? Lori Ann Wood, author of Divine Detour, joins us to share her story of facing challenge she never expected and finding God in hard places she never wanted to go. Resources:Divine Detour by Lori Ann Wood

Sometimes dreaming is hard when we are in a season of waiting. Jennifer encourages us to dream again and trust God in the waiting. Resources: www.jenniferreneewatson.com

Is it hard or easy for you to dream this year? We share our answer and talk through the challenges and gifts of dreaming for the future while embracing what’s right here too. ResourcesFiercehearted by Holley 

Do you ever worry your life or dreams are too small? Paus and let Holley remind you of how God sees your ordinary life as extraordinary and meaningful.

Guest Rachel Adams joins us to share about her new book, A Little Goes a Long Way, and why we’re already significant in the eyes of God. If your life feels ordinary, listen to this conversation about how small is actually big. 

Instead of a wall, we open a door into healthy friendships.

What do you hope for in your relationships this year? We have a conversation about how sometimes it’s hard to even know what you want or need, and how to both give and receive. ResourcesPrayer Starters: Talking with God about Hard Times by Suzie  

Perfectionism is crippling and keeps us from stepping out in faith. Jennifer encourages us to realize that now more than ever, people need to see our vulnerable, messy self to connect with us on a deeper level. 

Everyone is creative because we're made in the image of a creative God. We talk through why creativity matters, ways to pursue it, and how it can help us find joy and healing this year.

In celebration of 4 years of More Than Smalltalk, today we're looking back at our very first episode, "The Power of a New Start." In this episode we talk about how to make changes in your life. We also answer a confession question (gasp!) and talk through helpful truths, tips and resources.

Rest is a gift we all need this holiday season. Holley shares how we have permission to rest and that it can be an act of worship. ResourcesWhat Your Mind Needs for Anxious Moments by Holley Gerth

In this special series, we share the stories behind some of our favorite Christmas carols and how the words can help us draw closer to Jesus. What kind of silent night do you need in your life or relationships this year?Resources4 Beloved Christmas Carols and the True Stories behind Them

Ways that God cares when you’re battling with despair.

In this special series, we share the stories behind some of our favorite Christmas carols and how the words can help us draw closer to Jesus. What helps you find hope even when the holidays are hard?Resources4 Beloved Christmas Carols and the True Stories behind ThemWhat Your Mind Needs for Anxious Moments by Holley Gerth

In this episode, Jennifer shares some fond memories of Christmases that were far from perfect but by far the ones that meant the most. Resourceshttps://holleygerth.com/the-gift-of-rest/

In this special series, we share the stories behind some of our favorite Christmas carols and how the words can help us draw closer to Jesus. What has God been doing in your life that you want go tell on the mountain (or the podcast)? Resources4 Beloved Christmas Carols and the True Stories behind ThemFreedom by Jennifer Watson

Sometimes it feels like God is only in the big things but Holley reminds us this Christmas season that he is often found it what's small and ordinary. Resources:What Your Mind Needs for Anxious Moments by Holley Gerth

In this special series, we share the stories behind some of our favorite Christmas carols and how the words can help us draw closer to Jesus. How can we look for him in ordinary, unexpected places–the “Bethlehems” of our lives? Resources4 Beloved Christmas Carols and the True Stories behind Them

Your story matters.

If Suzie could have any adventure she wanted, what would it be? We ask her this question along with others as part of a Million Downloads celebration series where you’ll get to go deeper (and laugh) with each of us. ResourcesMore Than Small Talk Facebook Page

Have you ever felt like everyday looks the same? It’s so hard to see the miraculous in the mundane moments of our life. Yet, even when we can’t see it God is working on our behalf.

If Jennifer could create her ideal snack basket, what would it contain? We ask her this question along with others as a part of a Million Downloads celebration series where you'll get to go deeper (and laugh) with each of us.

Holley shares a story from her childhood about a yellow paddle boat, a summer adventure, and the bittersweetness of letting go. 

What’s one thing that would really surprise people about Holley? We ask her this question along with others as part of a Million Downloads celebration series where you’ll get to go deeper (and laugh) with each of us! 

In honor of one million downloads, we’re sharing this special throwback episode with you!

Thanks to you, we're celebrating a huge milestone for More Than Smalltalk- one million downloads! We look back on how far we've come, share what we've learned, and give a sneak peak of what's coming next.

Setting healthy boundaries may feel hard, but you are worth it.Resource: The Mom I Want to Be: Rising Above Your Past to Give Your Kids a Great Future.

Guest Sheila Gregoire shares her insights from a survey with over 20k women. We talk about the myths of purity culture, what God intended sex to truly be, and the healing power of being safe spaces for each other. ResourcesBareMarriage.com with Sheila Gregoire

{Trigger Warning} The month of October is Pregnancy and Infant loss awareness. In this episode, Jennifer shares her personal story of loss. 

Sometimes even when we guard our hearts, we still get hurt. What then? We’ll talk about how to start healing, ways to repair relationships, and lessons we’ve learned the hard way. 

What if something happens to someone I love? If you've ever asked that question, Holley has encouraging truth fo r your anxious heart today.

What is the difference between caring for someone and carrying their load for them? If your heart is feeling heavy, join us as we figure out the answer to that question together. 

It’s hard to know what you are holding onto when it’s become a part of you. 

What does it really mean to guard your heart? We tackle this question and talk about how to be wise and warm, open but not overwhelmed, compassionate yet take care of ourselves too. 

We can find peace knowing that the same God who directs our paths, is the same God that directs our waiting. We can trust him even when it’s hard to wait. 

Bestselling author Joanna Weaver joins us for a conversation about why trusting God can be tough and how we can embrace the freedom of surrender. ResourcesEmbracing Trust by Joanna Weaver

Do you ever struggle with the pressure to be perfect? Holley’s words will help you take a deep breath, remember truth, and live a little freer today. ResourcesWhat Your Mind Needs for Anxious Moments by Holley Gerth

Have you or someone you love faced the pain of divorce? If so, you're not alone. Tracie Miles, author of Living Unbroken, shares her journey along with hopeful words and helpful insights.

Show notes: God wants to be with you, not because of what you do but because he loves you.

Have you ever told yourself, “I’ll never….again” only to find yourself repeating an old pattern? Yep, we’ve been there too. We talk about why that happens and what’s helpful. 

I’m not sure if anyone likes waiting on things, whether it’s food or open doors. Waiting is just hard. Our hope is found in believing that reaching out to God and seeking Him first will result in rewards for us personally that are worth waiting for. 

God didn't create us to be doormats. How do we love others well while not losing ourselves in the process? Dr. Alison Cook shares strategies to help you develop your voice, set wise limits, and still be a loving person.

Because of the cross, there is now therefore no condemnation.Subscribe to Suzie’s new podcast, Prayer Starters, on your favorite podcast platform or at KLRC.com.

How can you trust God when life doesn’t go the way you planned? We talk through how it’s okay to struggle and how we can get honest with God. 

The Freedom of God's Forgiveness

Sometimes the hardest person to trust is ourselves. Are we even supposed to trust ourselves? How do we do so? We talk through this tricky topic together.

Building solid relationships based on trust feels a little risky when we have been hurt by others. Lean in as we share how learning to trust others can lead to healing and personal growth.

Counselor Richard Eller joins us to share insights and practical advice about how to rebuild trust when you’ve hurt someone you love. 

How can we use our words to build trust with each other? Holley shares some thoughts and a commitment of words we can make together. 

Do you ever struggle with trust? Yep, us too. We talk through why trust can be hard, what healthy trust looks like, and we can grow in this area of our lives.

Showing up is a powerful and strong move. 

What do you tend to pick up that God never asked you to carry? We talk about how to care without carrying, what joy really means, and how we can live lighter even in hard times.

Actively reaching out to Jesus in your brokenness is the precursor to the intentional letting go of things in your past. Tackling the huge task of forgiving yourself and others leads to freedom and real healing that lasts. 

What do you like to control? We share three areas we struggle with (people, performance, progress), how uncertainty plays a role, and what helps us let go so we can embrace freedom instead. 

Holley shares her personal struggle with anxiety and how when fear makes us want to hide, God’s love pursues our hearts so we can find healing. 

What triggers your anxiety? We share how there are two kinds of anxiety triggers, the difference between biblical and biological anxiety, and practical tips as well as spiritual truths that will help you have more peace today. 

Letting go and finding the healing you deserve. Resource: The Unburdened Heart by Suzanne Eller 

Have you ever felt pressure to please God or people? Whew, us too. Kaitlin Garrison, author of Sweet Relief, joins us to share how she traded false beliefs for freedom- and how you can too.

Sharing the hard parts of our story isn't fun. But, when we do, we heal a little more and give others permission to do the same. Jennifer shares with us the hard part of her story dealing with seasonal depression.

What keeps us from sharing our stories? How can we be safe spaces for others to share their stories too? We have a messy conversation about the power of words, supporting each other as women, and why speaking up can be healing. 

Are you struggling under the crushing weight of expectations? Holley shares why we can lay that burden down, and what we can pick up instead.

What’s the difference between truly pursuing peace and pleasing people? We have a messy conversation about what it really means to love others, why it can be hard to set boundaries, and we hear from listeners like you!

If Jesus is the one choosing you, that’s sufficient. 

We've recently seen a lot of leaders in news headlines. How do we know when to follow authority and when to push back? How do we do so in a way that's in alignment with the heart of Jesus? We have a messy and healing conversation about it all.

Do you feel like you have nothing to offer? Sometimes we downplay what we bring to the table, believing that it’s not enough. But small is where God shows up and becomes the more we long for. 

Were you taught that good girls don’t get angry? We have a conversation about why we get angry, how it can be helpful, and what to watch out for when we do. 

What can you do today to keep from worrying about tomorrow? The Proverbs 31 Woman has a strategy that you can use too. Listen in as Holley shares it with you.

Is she intimidating, an ideal to achieve, or ancient history? We go deep into what it really means to be a Proverbs 31 woman and our conversation leads us to places that surprised all three of us.

You and I are not just a work in progress. We are continually ‘becoming.’

Author Mary DeMuth joins us for a conversation about why we long for belonging, what women of the Bible can teach us today, and how to better understand the people in our lives. 

Jennifer reminds us, whatever battle you're facing today? You're worth fighting for.

Authors Lynn Cowell and Amy Carroll give us a new perspective on the familiar story of Esther. Join us to hear how you can step into all God has for you in this season of your life.

Suzie shares some encouragement for those times when you're waiting on your miracle.

Suzie shares the touching story of how God healed her brother from terminal cancer! Pull out your tissues, celebrate with us, and get ready to be inspired by the mysterious work of our loving God. ResourcesSong: In Jesus’ name by Katie Nichole Join us in the More Than Small Talk Facebook Group

What truth can you cling to even when you’re having a bad day or it seems like the whole world is falling apart? Holley shares reassuring words from God’s loving heart to yours. ResourcesWhat Your Soul Needs for Stressful Times by Holley Gerth

Holley shares her favorite song, which leads to a surprising conversation about being unconditionally loved, how to release others from our expectations, and what it means to show up for our people no matter what. Will You Do Us a Little Favor?We’d love for you to take a moment to rate and review us on your favorite podcast app! It will help others find the podcast so they can be encouraged too. 

True strength is the gutsiness to do whatever God asks you to…even if it scares you. Step aside, fear. Resourceswww.jenniferreneewatson.com

What miracle is God working in your life that you might not even see? Jennifer shares a song that’s speaking to her and we talk about how to let God do what only he can in our lives. ResourcesSong: Miracle in the WorksJoin us in the More Than Small Talk Facebook Group

When you feel like you can't do it? Suzie reminds us, don't be afraid to ask the Helper who lives inside of you for what you need.

Who is the Holy Spirit and why do we need him in our lives? Author Becky Thompson shares how the Spirit is our helper, truth speaker, guide and so much more. God isn’t far away or silent, he’s with us and speaking to us every day. ResourcesGod So Close by Becky Thompson

When life’s difficulties come, how do we keep from becoming hard and bitter? Holley shares some thoughts on being strong, soft women who grieve deeply and yet also somehow grow stronger. 

After suddenly losing her husband, Lisa Appelo had to answer the question, “Can life be good again?” She shares with us how God met her in the hardest moments, gave her hope, and how we can all make it through life’s unexpected heartbreaks.ResourcesLife Can Be Good Again by Lisa Appelo

Suzie shares some thoughts for when you want to deepen your faith walk.