While The Design of Business | The Business of Design is between seasons, we wanted to share with you a recent conversation we think you will find valuable. Previous DB|BD co-hosts Jessica Helfand and Ellen McGirt sat down with Design Observer podcast host and founder of Other Tomorrows, Lee Moreau and Cindy Chastain who leads customer experience and design at Mastercard.For three days in March, Design Observer and Mastercard leaders gathered with some sixty people—designers and scholars, social entrepreneurs and independent consultants, creative leaders and senior practitioners from across a range of industries—to discuss the current state of everything from collaboration and craft to cultural transformation, technological innovation, and the social and systemic changes impacting the ways we live and work.The Design of Business | The Business of Design will be back soon with season eleven! To hear more from our archive, find us on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

While The Design of Business | The Business of Design is between seasons, we wanted to share with you a recent conversation we think you will find valuable. Previous DB|BD co-hosts Jessica Helfand and Ellen McGirt sat down with Design Observer podcast host and founder of Other Tomorrows, Lee Moreau and Cindy Chastain who leads customer experience and design at Mastercard.For three days in March, Design Observer and Mastercard leaders gathered with some sixty people—designers and scholars, social entrepreneurs and independent consultants, creative leaders and senior practitioners from across a range of industries—to discuss the current state of everything from collaboration and craft to cultural transformation, technological innovation, and the social and systemic changes impacting the ways we live and work.The Design of Business | The Business of Design will be back soon with season eleven! To hear more from our archive, find us on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Deborah Berke is the founding partner of Deborah Berke Partners, designer of 21c Museum Hotels, and the Dean of the Yale School of Architecture.

Deborah Willis is an artist, curator, and a professor at New York University. Her most recent book is The Black Civil War Soldier: A Visual History of Conflict and Citizenship.

Ben Watson is the chief creative officer of Herman Miller, the furniture and workspace design company.

Cindy Chastain is senior vice president of customer experience and design at Mastercard.

Caroline Wanga is chief culture, diversity, and inclusion officer and vice president of human resources at Target.

On this week’s minisode, Kaleena and Omari discuss the value of bridging a diversity of broad experience to a design team.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Teddy Goff was the digital director for Barack Obama’s 2012 reelection effort and an adviser to Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Marcia Lausen is Director of the UIC School of Design and founder of the Chicago office of Studio/lab.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Isolde Brielmaier is the executive director of arts culture and community at Westfield World Trade Center.

Leslie Koch was the president and CEO of the Trust for Governors Island.

A quick preview of Season 1, with Michael Bierut, Jessica Helfand, and a few of their guests.

Season ten of the The Design of Business | The Business of Design returns with new hosts Dana Arnett and Kevin Bethune! To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Margaret Gould Stewart is vice president of product design at Facebook.

Kaleena Sales and Omari Souza discuss past episodes featuring Norman Teague and Kim Erwin. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Nina Cooke John is founder and principal of Studio Cooke John, and also teaches at Parsons School of Design.

When Ashleigh Axios joined the White House’s Office of Digital Strategy in 2012 she wasn’t sure how she would fit in.

Gene Lee is senior vice president of customer experience and design at Mailchimp.

Deanna Van Buren is the co-founder of Designing Justice Designing Spaces, a nonprofit working to end mass incarceration by building an alternative infrastructure.

Karin Fong is a founding member of Imaginary Forces, a creative company specializing in visual storytelling and brand strategy.

While we are busy making season ten of The Design of Business | The Business of Design, here's an episode from our archives that you might not have heard yet. Sara Hendren is an artist, design researcher, writer, and professor at Olin College of Engineering. When we spoke with her in 2019, she talked about her work at the intersection of art, engineering, accessibility, and motherhood. Sara is also one of the co-hosts of season two of The Futures Archive which will be released in March 2022.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Vernon Lockhart is the Executive Director of Project Osmosis, a Chicago based design education and mentoring initiative.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Astra Taylor is an artist, activist, and founder of the Rolling Jubilee and the Debt Collective. Her latest book is Remake the World: Essays, Reflections, Rebellions.

Nikil Saval is a Pennsylvania state senator and the author of Cubed: A Secret History of the Workplace.

The Design of Business | The Business of Design will be back with season 10 and new hosts soon! In the mean time, we think you might like the newest podcast from Design Observer: The Futures Archive. Our new podcast looks at the history of human-centered design with a critical eye to its future. We'd love for you to subscribe, and you can do so at Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app.Do you remember when you learned to brush your teeth? On this episode of The Futures Archive Lee Moreau and Harry West discuss the toothbrush, toothbrushing, and over-learned behaviors. With insights from National Museum of Dentistry Curator Dr. Scott Swank, Kirsten Ostherr + Jadalia Britto.

Melissa Harris is editor at large of the Aperture Foundation and the author of A Wild Life: A Visual Biography of Photographer Michael Nichols.

Robert Brunner is a founder of Ammunition, a design firm based in San Francisco. He has designed products from the Apple PowerBook to Beats by Dre headphones.

Kim Erwin is the Director of the Equitable Healthcare Lab and Associate Professor of Practice at IIT Institute of Design.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

A conversation with Leslie Koch, who revitalized Governor’s Island, an abandoned military post in New York Harbor into a public park.

Barry Nalebuff teaches at the Yale School of Management. His specialty is game theory and its application to business strategy.

The Design of Business | The Business of Design is taking a mid season hiatus, but new episodes will be dropping in September. In the meantime, we wanted to highlight a podcast we've been listening to: Optimistic Design. Beth Kolko is a humanities-turned-engineering academic turned entrepreneur turned venture capitalist who has worked at the forefront of multiple technology-driven cultural shifts. She is a Design Professor at UW, Co-Founder at Shift Labs, and Venture Partner at Pack VC. Give it a listen, we think you'll enjoy it!To hear more from our DBBD archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Na Kim is an associate creative director at the book publisher Farrar, Straus and Giroux.

Neri Oxman leads the Mediated Matter research group at the MIT Media Lab. She treats art, science, and engineering as part of design.

Introducing The Design of Business | The Business of Design minisode co hosts, Kaleena Sales and Omari Souza. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Michael Rock is founding partner and creative director of 2x4, a global design consultancy. He has worked with brands including Nike, Prada, Target, and Kanye West.

Timothy Geithner was Secretary of the Treasury from 2009 to 2013. He chairs the Program on Financial Stability at the Yale School of Management.

Kunal Kapoor is chief executive officer of Morningstar.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

In this month’s minisode Kaleena and Omari take a listen to past episodes featuring Richard Ting and Marcia Lausen. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Billie Tsien is the co-founder of Tod Williams Billie Tsien architects, which works on buildings for museums, universities, and the Obama Presidential Center.

Susan Sellers was creative director of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Cynthia Round was its senior vice president of marketing and external relations.

Todd Bracher is founder and creative director of Todd Bracher Studio.

Ashleigh Axios is the design exponent at Automattic and a former creative director for the White House’s Office of Digital Strategy.

Abbott Miller is a partner in the design firm Pentagram.

Dana Arnett is a vice chairman and a founding partner of VSA Partners, a branding and marketing company based in Chicago. Patrick Palmer leads the strategy practice at VSA.

Reneé Seward teaches communication design at the University of Cincinnati and is the founder of See Word Reading. Chester Jenkins is a partner in Constellation, which creates new typefaces, and Village, a coop that publishes them.

Mauro Porcini is chief design officer at PepsiCo

Giorgia Lupi is the co-founder and design director of Accurat, a data-driven studio, and an artist whose work is at MoMA.

Giorgia Lupi is a partner in the design firm Pentagram and an artist whose data-driven work is at MOMA in New York.

Allissa V. Richardson is a journalist and an assistant professor of journalism at the University of Southern California.

Eddie Opara is a multidisciplinary designer and a partner at the design firm Pentagram.

Arthur Cohen is CEO and co-founder of LaPlaca Cohen, a strategy, design, and marketing firm for the cultural world.

Manuel Lima is a UX design manager at Google and the founder of the website Visual Complexity.

Mark Bloomfield is a jewelry designer and the founder of Electrobloom. Shaun Borstrock is associate dean for business and innovation at the University of Hertfordshire.

Jane Saks is the President and Artisitic Director of Project&, and the co-Founder and co-Artisitic Director of M2M: Monuments to Movements.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Vishaan Chakrabarti is the founder of Practice for Architecture and Urbanism and the author of A Country of Cities: A Manifesto for Urban America.

Lotenna Enwonwu is the global executive creative director at Coursera.

Decolonizing Design: A Cultural Justice Guidebook is a guidebook to the institutional transformation of design theory and practice by restoring the long-excluded cultures of Indigenous, Black, and People of Color communities.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Archie Lee Coates IV is a founder of multidisciplinary creative studio Playlab, Inc., and executive director of Friends of +POOL.

George Gendron is writer in residence at MIT’s integrated design and management program. Patrick Mitchell runs Modus Operandi Design.

Melanie Keen is the director of Wellcome Collection.

Jon Iwata is executive in residence at the Yale School of Management and a senior advisor to IBM.

While we are busy making season ten of The Design of Business | The Business of Design, here’s an episode from our archives that you might not have heard yet. Forest Young is the Sr. Director of Global Brand design at Rivian. When we spoke to him back in 2018 he talked about his work at Wolff Olins with Uber.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Sarah Hendren is an artist, design researcher, and professor at the Olin College of Engineering.

On this week’s minisode, Kaleena and Omari discuss design emancipation, risk and reward, and a flightless parrot.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Andrew Essex is the author of “The End of Advertising: Why It Had to Die, and the Creative Resurrection to Come.”

Jessica Dimmock is a photographer and filmmaker. Her latest project is the Netflix documentary series Flint Town.

Valerie Casey is head of design at Walmart.

Grace Jun is the executive director of Open Style Lab, a nonprofit that aims to make fashion accessible to people with disabilities.

The Design of Business | The Business of Design is taking a mid season hiatus, but new episodes will be dropping in September. In the meantime, we wanted to share a different show from Design Observer, The Futures Archive. The season finale of its second season will drop this coming Thursday, August 18th. The Futures Archive is a podcast that looks at the history of human-centered design with a critical eye to its future. In each episode, we begin with an object, interrogating the motives and methods that put people—and their complex needs and desires, at the center of the design process. On this episode: What are the relationships between design and pleasure? And how can we design the most pleasurable experiences? Lee Moreau and Rachel Lehrer discuss the disco ball and the importance of embodied design.To hear more from our DBBD archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

John Bielenberg is a designer, entrepreneur and imaginative advocate for a better world.

Scott Frankel composes musicals including Grey Gardens and War Paint. David Korins designed the sets for War Paint, Hamilton, and many other productions.

On this week’s minisode, Kaleena and Omari unpack the idea of branding, being branded, and choosing your own brand.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Stella Bugbee is the editor in chief and president of New York Magazine’s The Cut.

Kelly Walters is the founder of the multidisciplinary studio Bright Polka Dot and an assistant professor of communications design at Parsons School of Design.

Deborah Berke is the founding partner of Deborah Berke Partners, the architect of the 21c Museum Hotels, and the Dean of the Yale School of Architecture.

Lisa Strausfeld is an information architect and data visualisation pioneer. Her studio is InformationArt.

Liz Danzico is creative director for NPR, where she guides both visual design and user experience.

Errol Morris is a filmmaker whose documentaries include Gates of Heaven, The Thin Blue Line, and American Dharma.

Perrin Drumm is a writer, editor, and head of publishing at A24.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Ari Melenciano is an artist, creative technologist, educator, and the founder of Afrotectopia, a social institution fostering interdisciplinary innovation.

Richard Ting is the Vice President of Design for Revenue at Twitter.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Norman Teague is a designer and community builder who specializes in custom furniture design.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Dmitri Siegel is vice president of global brand at Sonos.

Emmy-award winner Ellen Mirojnick has designed film costumes since the 1980s and most recently is the lead costume designer for the Netflix series Bridgerton.

Molly Barton and Julian Yap are cofounders of Serial Box Publishing, which develops original episodic fiction.

Check out the first episode of Connect 4: Design Bridges, a new show about mentorship from Design Observer and Connect 4: Networking for Equality in Design. On this episode, creative director Jonathan Jackson talks with Avalon Garrick, a design student at Mercy College. If you like what you hear, subscribe to the Connect 4: Design Bridges feed wherever you get your podcasts or check them out at https://designobserver.com/podcast-connect4.php The Design of Business | The Business of Design will be back soon. Connect 4: Design Bridges was produced by Hawk and Paw Productions in collaboration with Mercy College, Pentagram, and Design Observer. The theme music was composed by Isabel Sanchez.

Forest Young is head of design and a global principal at the branding consultancy Wolff Olins who recently completed the Uber redesign.

Dr. Elizabeth “Dori” Tunstall is the Dean of the Faculty of Design at Ontario College of Art and Design.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Lee Moreau is Vice President of Design at EPAM Continuum, a global design and innovation consultancy based in Boston. He is also a visiting lecturer at MIT where he teaches design strategy and innovation.

Renata Souza Luque is the creator of Thomy, an insulin kit for children with Type 1 diabetes.

Kaleena Sales and Omari Souza discuss past episodes featuring Kunal Kapoor and Dori Tunstall.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Lorna Solis is the founder and CEO of Blue Rose Compass, a nonprofit that helps gifted refugees develop their potential.

Douglas Powell is a Distinguished Designer at IBM. He directs a global effort to bring human-centered design to IBM.

Lucia Lucas is a baritone who made her U.S. debut in 2019 at Tulsa Opera as Don Giovanni.

Ellen Lupton is the curator of contemporary design at Cooper Hewitt, the Smithsonian Design Museum.

Khoi Vinh is a principal designer at Adobe.

Danny Meyer is the founder of Shake Shack. Paula Scher designed its graphic identity.

Maurice Cherry is the host of Revision Path and the principal and creative director at Lunch.

Kaleena Sales and Omari Souza discuss past episodes featuring Perrin Drumm, and Annie Atkins. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Kevin Bethune is vice president of Strategic Design at BCG Digital Ventures.

Kerby Jean Raymond is the founder and CEO of the fashion label Pyer Moss.

While we are busy making season ten of The Design of Business | The Business of Design, here's an episode from our archives that you might not have heard yet, with an introduction from your new co-hosts, Dana Arnett and Kevin Bethune. Kevin's new book "Reimagining Design" is out later this month from MIT Press. The Design of Business | The Business of Design will return with new episodes this spring.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Jessica and Ellen listen back to highlights from Season 9, and hand off hosting duties to Dana Arnett and Kevin Bethune, who will be taking over in Season 10.

Audrey Gelman is co-founder and CEO of The Wing, a social club and co-working space for women. Pentagram partner Emily Oberman worked on the brand identity.

Bobby C. Martin, Jr., is a founding partner of the agency OCD | The Original Champions of Design.

Heather McIntosh Cassano is director of user experience at Google, leading a team focused on workplace apps.

Janelle Monáe is a singer, songwriter, actor, and producer.

Dr. Jay Parkinson is the founder of Sherpaa, an online medical practice.

Natasha Jen is a partner in the design firm Pentagram.

Kat Vellos is a UX designer, facilitator, and connection coach.

While we are busy making season ten of The Design of Business | The Business of Design, here's an episode from our archives that you might not have heard yet. Caroline Wanga is the Chief Executive Officer of Essence Communications Inc. When we spoke with her in 2019, she talked about her work in her role as chief culture, diversity, and inclusion officer and vice president of human resources at Target. Also, this was the first episode of Ellen McGirt’s co-hosting. Ellen just announced her newest project, Sweet Equity Media — make sure to check it out!To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

While we are busy making season ten of The Design of Business | The Business of Design, here's the first episode from the new season of The Futures Archive. So what are the relationships between design and pleasure? And how can we design the most pleasurable experiences? Lee Moreau and Rachel Lehrer discuss the disco ball and the importance of embodied design with additional insights from Änne Söll, Nadine Hubbs, Gary Hunt, and David Rose. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Lee Moreau is a principal at Continuum, a global innovation design firm.

Lisa Nakamura is the founding director of the Digital Studies Institute at the University of Michigan.

Daniella Zalcman is a documentary photographer and the founder of Women Photograph.

Maxwell Anderson is the president of the Souls Grown Deep Foundation and Community Partnership.

Redefining the boundaries between people, products, and patients: Ernesto Quinteros, the Chief Design Officer at Johnson & Johnson. To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Avery Willis Hoffman is a writer, director, producer and curator. Hoffman recently joined Brown University as the inaugural artistic director of the Brown Arts Institute.

Neri Oxman leads the Mediated Matter research group at the MIT Media Lab.

Mariana Amatullo teaches strategic design and management at Parsons School of Design at The New School.

Somi Kim is senior director of healthcare solutions at Johnson & Johnson Design.

Dr. Bon Ku is assistant dean for health and design at Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia.

While we are busy making season ten of The Design of Business | The Business of Design, here's an episode from our archives that you might not have heard yet. Dmitri Siegel is vice president of global brand at Sonos.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Annie Atkins is a graphic props designer for film and television.To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!

Danny Meyer is the founder of Shake Shack. Paula Scher designed its graphic identity.

Quemuel Arroyo is the first ever chief accessibility officer at the New York Metropolitan Transit Authority.

Todd Waterbury is the chief creative officer of Target.

Audrey Gelman is co-founder and CEO of The Wing, a social club and co-working space for women. Pentagram partner Emily Oberman worked on the brand identity.

Lucienne Roberts runs the studio LucienneRoberts+ and the publisher GraphicDesign+.

John Maeda is global head of computational design and inclusion at Automattic and the author of the annual Design in Tech report.

Paola Antonelli is senior curator of the department of architecture and design at the Museum of Modern Art.

Teddy Blanks is a co-founder of CHIPS, a Brooklyn-based design studio, who specializes in film titles.

Steve Duenes is an Assistant Editor at The New York Times who oversees a team of visual journalists.

Elizabeth Alexander is president of the Mellon Foundation.

Randy Hunt is the head of design at Artsy and the former VP of Design at Etsy.

Bruce Cohen is an Oscar-winning film producer and president of the board of directors of the American Foundation for Equal Rights

Vivianne Castillo is senior design researcher at Salesforce.

Courtney Cogburn is a professor at the Columbia School of Social Work and the co-creator of 1000 Cut Journey.

James Rhee is executive chair and CEO of the fashion brand Ashley Stewart as well as the founder and president of the investment firm FirePine Group.

David Rockwell is the founder and president of the architecture and design firm the Rockwell Group and a theatrical set designer.

Forest Young is head of design and a global principal at the branding consultancy Wolff Olins.

Elizabeth Hargrave is an American game designer whose games include Wingspan, Mariposas, and Tussie Mussie.

Susannah Drake is the founder of DLANDstudio, a landscape architecture and urban design firm.

Maurice Woods is a principal designer at Microsoft and the founder and executive director of Inneract Project.

Valla Vakili is head of Citi Ventures Studio, an incubator for financial services.

Ravi Naidoo is the founder of Interactive Africa as well as Design Indaba, an annual conference in Cape Town.

Claire Weisz is is the principal-in-charge of WXY, an architecture and design practice focused on innovative approaches to public space, structures, and cities.

Rosanne Somerson is president of the Rhode Island School of Design.

Lisa Smith is vice president of brand design at Chobani.

Jan Diehm is a journalist at Polygraph and The Pudding.