Producers are often the people that work in the background; we don't know their names, and they're hidden behind the star power of their directors, or their cast. But Bruna Papandrea brings all the star power of her own.  After all, she co-founded a production company with Reese Witherspoon and produced blockbuster productions like Big Little Lies and Gone Girl, and then five years later she launched her own production company Made Up Stories which has been behind award-winning television like Nine Perfect Strangers, Pieces Of Her, Anatomy of a Scandal, and The Dry (just to name a few). On this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe Burgess is sitting down with one of the most powerful women in Hollywood to talk about her story; how Bruna got to where she is today, how she goes about selecting the stories she wants to produce and why she's committed to championing diversity in film. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Lucia Hawley is only 25, but she's already the face of Live From E! - taking centre stage as a journalist on the red carpet and nabbing some of the best quotes from the stars. But while she admits it did take a lot of hard work to get here, she credits the powerful women in her life with 'lifting her up' - something that she is constantly trying to do in her own right. It's no secret that Lucia's mother is Antonia Kidman, and Oscar-winner Nicole Kidman her aunt, and on this episode of Under The Gloss, she opens up about her complicated relationship with privilege and what the women around her have taught her about stepping into her power.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Bella Heathcote has been working as an actress for almost two decades, but it's only now that she has found confidence in her craft. On this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe and Bella sit down for a conversation that covers everything from the role tall poppy syndrome has played in Bella's career to how the death of her mother when she was 12 continues to influence her characters, more than 20 years on. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

For a woman who died at just 70 years old, Lee Miller seems to have squeezed a hundred different lives into one lifetime. After all, who else could say that they had been pulled from the path of a car by Condé Nast himself, modelled across the pages of Vogue, studied photography and collaborated with famous surrealist Man Ray in Paris, as well as becoming one of the first and only female frontline photographers in World War II. And yet, it wasn't until her son Antony went through her attic after her death that anyone knew anything about this incredible woman.  On this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe dives into a story that has captivated the Vogue Australia team amid the opening of a Lee Miller exhibition at Victoria's Heide Museum of Modern Art. Speaking with Antony Penrose, Lee Miller's son, and Kendrah Morgan, Head Curator at the Heide, Phoebe unpicks the incredible life of Lee Miller and asks the question: why is it only now that we are learning this woman's name? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Michelle Battersby is, by her own admission, a career girl. After flying through uni on a rowing scholarship, she got a “good” job at an esteemed company - but at 24, after doing everything “right”, she wasn't happy. And so she took a leap of faith, and started working with an app that, at the time, was very new to Australia - Bumble. The rest, as they say, is history.  In 2023, Michelle is the co-founder of another app that is disrupting the status quo. Her tech start-up, Sunroom is revolutionary, not just because it's a new way to look at monetising content, but because women and non-binary people are the centre of it. It was founded by women, for women, in a very male-centric industry. Michelle has been incredibly honest about the way Sunroom (and work generally) has been her primary focus. As an ambitious woman, she wanted to put her company and her career first. Which is why when she fell pregnant, she wasn't necessarily excited - in fact, she was terrified.  On this episode of Under The Gloss, Michelle joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to unpack and unpick the past eight years; why Sunroom has been the best and hardest thing she's ever done, the things she's sacrificed along the way for her career and of course, why she chose to publicly announce her pregnancy with a video diary that documented her complete and utter terror at falling pregnant. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ellie Goldstein has been modelling since she was 15, when she went to a casting in London for inclusive talent agency Zebedee. And from the moment she stepped in front of the camera it was clear she had the IT factor. And now, only six years later, she’s made history as the first model with Downes Syndrome to appear on the cover of British Vogue - a feat that many models would consider to be the pinnacle of their career.  On this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe is joined by the woman who made this viral moment possible: Ellie, her mum Yvonne, and Zoe Proctor, who co-founded Zebedee. Together, they talk about the importance of representation, the reality of diversity in the ruthless world of fashion and what it takes to get someone with a disability on the cover of Vogue in 2023.  You can find Ellie's Instagram here.  You can find Zebedee Talent on Instagram here. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In 2012, Erin Deering and then-partner Craig launched a business that would become one of the most iconic bikini brands in the world. Instagram was just beginning and Erin had a brainwave: why not gift some of their product to up-and-coming celebrities on the platform, and see if that boosted the profile of the brand? And not long after, Triangl bikinis exploded - and a new age of marketing was born. In this incredibly candid episode of Under the Gloss, Erin opens up to Phoebe about life behind the scenes at the company that pioneered influencer marketing, why the Forbes rich list and a superyacht weren't enough to buy her happiness and how radical honesty has freed her from the weight of other people's opinions.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Amber Scott fell in love with dancing at five years old, when she watched Swan Lake performed at Brisbane's Lyric Theatre. She joined the Australian Ballet in 2001 and 23 years on, she's preparing for her final performance, or her swansong - and in a full circle moment, she will be dancing as Odette.  On this episode of Under The Gloss, Amber joins Phoebe to share some backstage secrets about life as a 'bunhead', the way motherhood has both liberated and challenged her as a principal dancer and how it feels to be retiring as a professional ballerina at 40 years old.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Brisbane journalist Trent Dalton is no stranger to the power of storytelling in Australia, and he's got a suite of Walkleys and Kennedys to prove it. But when he published his first fictional novel in 2018, even he was blown away by it's success. Boy Swallows Universe has sold millions of copies and there is a Netflix series in the works - and it's been followed up by three more books that similarly endeavour to highlight those lesser-told stories that ring true for many Australians. With Lola In The Mirror fresh off the press, it was the perfect time to bring Trent into the Vogue studio.  On this episode of Under The Gloss, Trent joins Phoebe for a conversation that covers all kinds of terrain: the conversations that gave way to his award-winning fiction, the experience of seeing Boy Swallows Universe brought to life on a TV set, the beautiful and complicated woman that is his mother and what the Dalai Lama told him about the meaning of life,  This episode of Under The Gloss touches on domestic violence, addiction and self harm, so please listen with care. If this raises any issues or concerns, you can reach out to Lifeline on 131114.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Claire Harvey is a journalist at The Australian, and she is the woman behind all your favourite podcasts. She was an integral part of the team that produced The Teacher's Trial and The Teacher's Accuser (follow-ups to the world-renowned The Teacher's Pet), and she has also been an editorial director on other harrowing podcasts out of The Australian, like Shandees Story and My Sisters Secret. And to top it all off, she’s currently hosting The Australian’s The Front podcast, which delivers a daily dose of news to your podcast feeds. But, there is a theme here - Claire is working on really important stories but they’re also really dark, and all-consuming. So how does she separate it all? How does she decide which stories need to be told? This episode of Under The Gloss touches on sexual and domestic violence, so please listen with care. If this raises any issues or concerns, you can reach out to Lifeline on 131114.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It was nearly thirty years ago when Australia fell in love with the teenage tennis prodigy that was Jelena Dokic. In 1999, Jelena was 16 years old and dominating Wimbledon - but behind the scenes, she was living a personal hell at the hands of her father.  It took the best part of two decades for Jelena to tell her story, but in 2016 she released Unbreakable, which became an instant best seller. And now, she's followed it up with Fearless.  In this episode of Under The Gloss, Jelena joins Phoebe to talk about what it took to work through her trauma and PTSD, how 2022 was one of the darkest years of her life, and the comments she gets from trolls that absolutely 'fascinate' her.  This episode of Under The Gloss touches on domestic violence, disordered eating and suicidal ideation, so please listen with care. If this raises any issues or concerns, you can reach out to Lifeline on 131114 or at www.lifeline.org.au, or the Butterfly Foundation at https://butterfly.org.au/.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

While just a few short years ago, Hannah Diviney was drinking in the world of celebrity, pop culture and social justice online, she never imagined that she might be at the centre of it. But in 2023, Hannah is one of the most powerful voices in disability advocacy and has more than a few claims to fame; she's the editor-in-chief of a fast-growing media technology company, she's persuaded two international artists to change offensive song lyrics and she's starred in an SBS series that shattered mainstream ideas on sex and disability.  On this episode of Under the Gloss, Hannah takes Phoebe behind the scenes on some of her ground-breaking moments over the past two years. This episode of Under The Gloss touches on issues around mental health and self-harm, so please listen with care. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Founder and director of streetwear juggernaut P.E. Nation, Pip Edwards has been a staple in the Sydney style scene for decades.  On this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe and Pip sit down for a classically chaotic conversation that covers everything from Pip's experiences of early menopause and raising the 'ultimate' man, to the frustration that comes with being defined by your dating life.  In a characteristically open and honest chat, Pip and Phoebe are here to 'own their s***', lean in to surrender and go on the record to correct public perceptions of themselves. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kaylee McKeown knows a thing or two about winning. At just 22 years old, the Australian swimmer currently holds multiple world records, took home three gold medals at the Tokyo Olympics and is the proud recipient of an OAM, which she was awarded in 2022.  In this episode of Under the Gloss, Kaylee and Phoebe dive into what it means to represent your country on a global scale, the mentorship she has found in fellow swimmer Emily Seebohm and why life didn't look the way she expected after breaking a world record.  Kaylee also opens up about the complicated world of grief, and why it has taken nearly two years to be able to speak about her dad without shedding a tear. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jess Mauboy first appeared on Australian Idol in 2006, as a young 16-year-old belting out Whitney Houston in the red dirt of Alice Springs. Nearly two decades late, her star has never stopped soaring; Jess is about to return to our screens as a coach on this season of The Voice Australia, before she drops her fifth studio album and embarks on a national tour in early 2024.  On this episode of Under The Gloss, Jess joins Phoebe for an episode that is full of music and laughter, chatting about everything from the vulnerability of her new album, to the Kyle Sandilands comment that had Australia in uproar. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Consent education has quickly become one of the biggest conversations in Australia, and Jess Hill has been right at the forefront. The critically acclaimed author and journalist co-produced the brilliant SBS series Asking For It, which investigates the complexities of consent in Australia at the moment as the country is gripped by what she calls an 'epidemic' of sexual violence.  In this episode of Under The Gloss, Jess joins Phoebe to talk about where to start when it comes to educating people about consent, what it takes to change the system and why we all need to take accountability for the scary statistics surrounding sexual violence in Australia. This episode of Under The Gloss does discuss family and sexual violence, so please listen with care. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When Tammin Sursok goes to the movies in the US, she's not thinking about the film - she's thinking about her closest exit in case there is a shooting.When her kids go to school, they use bulletproof backpacks. They even wear velcro shoes so they don't trip if they have to run away from a shooter. It's the terrifying reality of life in America, where she spends half her time when she's not in Australia. The actress joined Phoebe Burgess to chat about everything. Sex. Marriage. Hormones. Periods. ADHD. Fame. Disordered Eating. Trauma. Nothing was off limits. TRIGGER WARNING: This episode may be distressing to some listeners. We will be discussing disordered eating and body image, so please listen with care. If this episode raises any issues or concerns, you can reach out to the Butterfly Foundation. Butterfly Foundation: https://butterfly.org.au/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Tammin Sursok lives by her hormones, regularly goes to therapy so her marriage thrives and is dealing with the trauma that came with being famous so young.The actress joined Phoebe Burgess to chat about everything. Sex. Marriage. ADHD. Fame. Disordered Eating. Trauma. Nothing was off limits. TRIGGER WARNING: This episode may be distressing to some listeners. We will be discussing disordered eating and body image, so please listen with care. If this episode raises any issues or concerns, you can reach out to the Butterfly Foundation. Butterfly Foundation: https://butterfly.org.au/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nina Funnell is many things, but gamechanging journalist is the hat she wears most proudly. In this two part conversation, Nina discusses working with Grace Tame, and how she helped change the system for the better while reflecting on her own experience with sexual violence.    Trigger warning: This episode may be distressing to some listeners. We will be discussing sexual violence, so please listen with care. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nina Funnell is many things, but gamechanging journalist is the hat she wears most proudly. In this two part conversation, Nina discusses working with Grace Tame, and how she helped change the system for the better while reflecting on her own experience with sexual violence.  Trigger warning: This episode may be distressing to some listeners. We will be discussing sexual violence, so please listen with care. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The little football-mad girl inside Mel McLaughlin is losing her mind. The sports presenter is embarking on the biggest moment of her career - the FIFA Women's World Cup, which has kicked off in Australia.  In this episode of Under The Gloss, Mel joins Phoebe to talk about how she became one of the country's leading sports broadcasters, the moment a boss told her she was wearing too much blush, and why she's writing off her personal life.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Fresh off the back of a Logies nomination for her television show The Twelve, Marta Dusseldorp is embarking on a new project. She wrote, starred in and produced Bay of Fires, a series soon to debut on ABC that tells a story unlike any that we have seen in Australia before. On this episode of Under the Gloss, Marta joins Phoebe in the studio to talk about daring to fail, the role that mentorship has played in honing her craft, the importance of writing stories in Australia and why now is the moment for her to create the characters that she's been waiting for her whole career to play. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kirli Saunders is many things: she's a multi-award winning artist, she's walked the runways of Australian Afterpay Fashion Week and she's a celebrated educator that has taught children in classrooms around New South Wales. But first and foremost, she's a proud Gunai woman - and a storyteller.  On today's episode of Under the Gloss, Phoebe and Kirli are talking about how she learned to connect with her country, why matriarchy is so important for First Nations families and why being Blak in the current political climate is more exhausting than ever. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's no secret that Sex And The City was iconic in the world of fashion - and the series spinoff And Just Like That has followed in the same vein. But who are the people behind the scenes that have brought all the looks in the iconic franchise to life?  In this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe sits down with costume designers Molly Rogers and Danny Santiago to talk about some of the most notable scenes across the series, whether it be the antique bird that Carrie brought back in the latest series, or the real-life antics of the designers that inspired each of the characters' distinctive fashion moments. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Elise Loehnen might not feel like a celebrity at first glance, but her work is something that we're all extremely familiar with. Once in the pocket of wellness queen Gwyneth Paltrow as Goop's Chief Content Officer, Elise co-hosted the hit Netflix series Goop Lab, as well as the Goop podcast.  But now, she's here to talk about something that is entirely and completely hers - her newly released book, On Our Best Behaviour: The Price Women Pay To Be Good. On this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe and Elise are chatting about the reality of that elusive Good Girl status, the punishment for female desire and what it takes to realise what we really want. See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.

Linda Marigliano is no stranger to talking on microphone; she was a celebrated presenter on Triple J for many years, and more recently, she hosted the podcast series Tough Love. But, it's only post-pandemic that she feels like she's really cracked open her inner world and been able to dissect some of the complicated relationships she has with her loved ones. On this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe talks to Linda about what it means to be truly vulnerable and truly authentic, unpacking the complicated relationships in their lives and chatting about what freezing your eggs actually looks like.  You can purchase Linda Marigliano's Love Language here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gucci has been one of the most sought after makeup artists in the glamorous world of magazines for decades. She was behind the Jennifer Anniston Allure cover in the tiny Chanel bikini; pregnant Brooke Shields on the cover of Vogue and the Anne Hathaway beauty renaissance of the past year or so. On this episode of Under the Gloss, Phoebe and Gucci sit down to talk all things makeup and beauty, from some of the most iconic covers Gucci has worked on, to what it takes to launch a brand like Westman Atelier. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Simone Kessell has been acting for over 20 years - a few highlights from her extensive body of work include the original Australian favourite Heartbreak High and the iconic Hercules series. But at 47, it's her latest project that has gathered something of a cult following.  With two seasons under their belt, Yellowjackets has already developed an intense fandom who are singing the praises of a drama series that finally portrays trauma and female rage in a new and complicated way. And Simone is here to talk openly and honestly about why her work on the show has been a career highlight. On today's episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe chats to Simone about the reality of portraying the dark subject matter at the heart of Yellowjackets, her 'car lifting' moments, being a Maori woman on a mainstream drama series and how women in their fifties are her greatest source of inspiration. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Few things excite Dr Vanessa Pirotta quite as much as whale snot. It might sound like a bit of an unusual interest, but Vanessa is a wildlife scientist that specialises in marine mammals, particularly the humpback whale.  On today's episode of Under The Gloss, Vanessa joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to talk about what it means to be a woman in a field that has been traditionally dominated by men, how she's navigated parenthood in the world of STEM and the ways that whales have shaped her perspective on everything, including being a mum.  Dr Vanessa Pirotta will be appearing at Vogue Codes Summit on June 24 where she'll be speaking about environmental innovations and technology. Tickets are selling fast, get yours at vogue.com.au/codesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Charlotte Ree thought she had life all figured out. She met her ex-husband when she was 19, was married at 27 and had a five-year plan in place that filled her up. Until it didn't, and at 29 she and her husband separated. Two days later, Sydney entered its first COVID-19 lockdown, and Charlotte was forced to reckon with what it meant to be alone.  On today's episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe and Charlotte dive into the harsh reality of heartbreak, and how to put yourself back together again and come out the other side. There are tears, there’s laughter – and, of course, there’s cake You can read the Vogue essay that inspired Heartbake here. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Teresa Palmer may be an actress who has starred in more than 30 films as well as her new Disney+ miniseries The Clearing, but she’s first and foremost a devoted mum to her four beautiful children and a 'bonus kid' from her husband's previous relationship.  On today's episode of Under The Gloss, Teresa is open and honest about how her worlds blur together; she talks about the reality of breastfeeding solidly for nearly 10 years, dives into the terrifying world of cults, and shares the secret to the perfect baby name.  Read all about Teresa Palmer in the latest issue of Vogue, on sale now. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Prolific in every sense of the word, Pallavi Sharda has an impressive resume; in just the past year she's starred in Netflix hit Wedding Season and award-winning Australian drama The Twelve. And outside of Australia, she's an even bigger star - Pallavi started her career in India as a Bollywood actress.  On today’s episode, Pallavi joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio for an incredibly nuanced conversation about why she decided to head to India while in the midst of her law degree, how she brings cultural context to the parts she plays on screen, and why longing is synonymous with children of diaspora. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Tanya Plibersek has been in the public eye for almost 30 years – but you’ve never heard her like this. On this episode of Under The Gloss, Tanya swaps politics for the Vogue studio to chat to Phoebe about her childhood, her surprise pregnancy and how she balances parliament with parenting. She also opens up about the real reason why she turned down her party’s top job in 2019.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jacinta Tynan became a single mother almost overnight. She left behind the idea of a nuclear family to live life on her own terms – and she’s not alone. Single parent families are the fastest growing family type in Australia. In part two of this special chat, Jacinta joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat about losing friends during separation (and finding them), why invitations dry up if you’re single and the secret to juggling life when you’re a solo parent.  Jacinta Tynan is a journalist and author of The Single Mother’s Social Club.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jacinta Tynan became a single mother almost overnight. She left behind the idea of a nuclear family to live life on her own terms – and she’s not alone. Single parent families are the fastest growing family type in Australia.In part one of this two-part chat, Jacinta joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to share what it’s like to raise children on your own, how it feels to be the only adult in the house, and why dating is the last thing on your mind. This isn’t just for single mums – it’s for anyone who loves a single mum. Jacinta Tynan is a journalist and author of The Single Mother’s Social Club.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Two years ago, Bianca Spender hadn’t really experienced loss. But in the space of 18 months, the fashion designer lost her beloved mum, Carla Zampatti, and not long after, she lost her father. On today’s episode, Bianca joins Phoebe – after a quick wardrobe change – to chat about overcoming grief, childhood memories of the Carla Zampatti atelier, why she went to France to prove herself in the fashion world, how she’s forging her own legacy – and why she gardens in a silk nightie.  Read all about Bianca and her family legacy in Vogue’s Family issue, on sale now. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

How you feel about beauty can have just as much of an impact on your mind and it does your face. Vogue Digital Head of Brand Ana Eksouzian-Cavadas joins Phoebe in this special bonus episode to chat about feeling comfortable and beautiful in your own skin, finding your confidence and why you shouldn’t follow trends when it comes to “tweakments”.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Have you ever thought about a sexless life? Nikki Gemmell has. She’s happily married with four kids – and for now, she’s over sex. The award winning author and columnist for The Australian doesn’t remember the last time she had sex. In today’s episode of Under The Gloss, Nikki joins Phoebe to chat first times, birth stories, embracing a post-sex life, what menopause is all about and the freedom of living together apart.  Read Nikki Gemmell’s columns here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Camilla and Marc aren’t just the fashion duo behind their namesake brand –they’re on a mission to end ovarian cancer. It’s a disease that kills about 1,042 Australian women every year – including their beloved mum. In today’s episode, Camilla and Marc join Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat about their idyllic childhood, the devastating moment they realised their mum was ill, the ritual of sitting shiva, and how their campaign ‘Ovaries. Talk About Them’ is helping to fund the first early detection test. Find out more information about the Ovaries. Talk About Them campaign here. Help make an early detection test a reality within the next few years here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sasha Kutabah Sarago was told she was “too pretty to be Aboriginal” as a child. Since that moment, the author and model has been working to decolonise beauty. On today’s episode, Sasha joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to talk about hiding her culture to avoid conflict, why she brought her own makeup to photo shoots and how Rihanna changed the beauty game. You can pick up a copy of Gigorou by Sasha Kutabah Sarago here: https://www.booktopia.com.au/gigorou-sasha-kutabah-sarago/book/9780645476736.html Gigorouwww.booktopia.com.auSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Lilly Luhrmann grew up in the bright lights of Hollywood, spending her younger years on movie sets alongside her parents, Baz Luhrmann and Catherine Martin. On today’s episode, Lilly joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat all things fashion and family. She opens up about going to school being followed by the paparazzi, about fighting over Baz’s pearls, the reality of managing at a dive bar, owning her nepo baby status, planning Oscars outfits and why she’s her parents’ OG fan.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Heartbreak High’s Chloé Hayden isn’t afraid to make waves. The Netflix star called out ableism and discrimination at a Harry Styles concert – resulting in a one-on-one meeting with the stadium’s CEO. Not only is she an advocate, she’s an author, animal lover and the first Australian actor with autism to co-lead a global TV series. On today’s episode, Chloé joins Phoebe to chat about making the world more accessible for everyone, how school almost took her life and why she still has to fight so hard to exist in public. Content warning: this episode of Under The Gloss discusses suicidal ideation, so please listen with care. If this episode raises any issues or concerns, you can reach out to Lifeline on 131114 or at www.lifeline.org.au, or the Butterfly Foundation at www.butterfly.org.au.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

New York Times best-selling author Sloane Crosley first shot to the literary limelight with her hit debut novel, I Was Told There’d Be Cake – which she wrote while holding down a successful career as a book publicist. Sloane has since quit her day job and embraced life as a full-time author, spending her days writing, napping and eating cheese. On today’s episode of Under the Gloss, Sloane joins Phoebe from New York City to chat about her newest novel, Cult Classic, the reality of dating, using humour for intelligence, why you shouldn’t bin your ex, and why 37 is a scary age. Cult Classic - https://www.sloanecrosley.com/cult-classic  All About Women - https://www.sydneyoperahouse.com/events/whats-on/all-about-women/2023/the-world-according-to-sloane-crosley.htmlSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jean Oelwang has found the secret power behind the most successful people in the world. The Founding President and CEO of Virgin Unite has spent the past 15 years figuring out exactly what makes people tick – and she’s unloading her expertise on today’s episode of Under The Gloss. Jean joins Phoebe to chat about how you can create your own success, the importance of leveraging partnerships for growth and why you should embrace conflict – not run way from it. Jean’s book is out now: Partnering: Forge the Deep Connections that Make Great Things HappenSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Activist and author Deni Todorovič was turned down by four cabs because they were wearing heels and a mini skirt. That didn’t happen overseas – it happened right here in Australia, in 2023. On today’s episode of Under The Gloss, Deni joins Phoebe to chat about how they always felt innately different, why we’ve been conditioned to fear the queer community, the power of visibility and why being trans is so much more than a pronoun. Connect with Deni @StyleByDeni See all the stars of Vogue’s special Pride issue here - https://www.vogue.com.au/culture/pride/all-together-now-meet-the-stars-of-vogue-australias-2023-pride-issue/image-gallery/df557f49329549b9fcf5a273491b8e6c  If this episode raised any issues for you or those in your life, please reach out to QLife - https://qlife.org.au/. You can also reach out to Headspace, ReachOut and Beyond Blue.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Raising boys has never been more confronting, challenging – even scary. In a world with so many conflicting narratives around what it means to be a man, The Man Cave CEO Hunter Johnson is undoing the troubling behaviours around toxic masculinity. On this episode of Under The Gloss, Hunter joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat about boyhood, the damaging effect of locker rooms and how intergenerational trauma has led to toxic mindsets.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Victoria Vanstone loved to party. She partied so hard that she once blew her finger off with a firework at a New Year's Eve party. For the first 20 years of her life, Victoria wasn't sober, but she also didn't consider herself to be a problematic drinker. She fell somewhere in between going to the pub and going to a support meeting. On this episode of Under The Gloss, Victoria joins Phoebe to chat about how her binge drinking went unnoticed, coping with motherhood and a hangover, falling into the gray area and why being sober is the most rebellious thing you could do.  Trigger warning: We will be discussing issues relating to problematic drinking and addiction so please, as always, listen with care To hear more from Victoria, you can find her co-hosting the podcast Sober Awkward.You can find William Porter's book – Alcohol Explained here. Sober curious? Discover our other sobriety episodes below:  Sarah-Jane Clarke is sober-ish  Accidentally sober: Phoebe opens up about life without alcohol  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

As the co-founder of sass & bide, Sarah-Jane Clarke’s days were filled with fashion shows, boutique openings and glamorous parties. What followed was endless binge drinking, hangovers and crippling anxiety. But three years after shedding her identity with sass & bide, she also ended her relationship with alcohol. On today’s episode, Phoebe sits down with Sarah-Jane to chat about embarking on a sober-ish lifestyle, the challenges she’s faced and why alcohol is the only drug we need to justify not taking. Trigger warning: We will be discussing issues relating to alcohol consumption and problematic drinking so please, as always, listen with care. If you want to hear more from our sobriety series, you can listen to our earlier episode below. Accidentally sober: Phoebe opens up about life without alcohol Find out more about Sarah Jane Clarke via her website. Interested in This Naked Mind? Get ahold of the book here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Are you sober curious? For Phoebe, it was more accidental than planned. On this episode of Under The Gloss, we turn the tables and invite Felicity Harley, podcast host of Healthy-ish and Extra Healthy-ish, to ask Phoebe about the reason why she chose to embrace a sober lifestyle, how she deals with social events and the delicate balance of motherhood and alcohol. Trigger warning: We will be discussing issues relating to alcohol consumption so please, as always, listen with care Want to hear more? Then head over to Body+Soul's podcasts Healthy-ish (here) and Extra Healthy-ish (here) to discover how Phoebe tackles parties without a champagne in hand.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Moana Hope has a lot going on. She’s an AFL footy star, she runs a business with 130 staff, she’s a mother of two under two and is the full time carer to her sister Vinny. In today’s episode, Moana chats to Phoebe about the traumatic moment she thought she lost her son during birth, how she struggled with intimacy, and why she and her wife, Belle, both breastfeed their babies. This is Moana like you’ve never heard her.  Content warning: this episode of Under The Gloss discusses birth trauma, so please listen with care. If this raises any issues or concerns, you can reach out to Lifeline on 131114 or at www.lifeline.org.au, and The Pink Elephants Support Network at www.pinkelephants.org.auSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In the last few years, Keira Rumble has suffered six miscarriages, a heterotopic pregnancy, was diagnosed with endometriosis and underwent emergency surgery. On top of everything – she started two businesses. On today’s episode, Keira joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat about how she navigates grief in the public eye, why she saw IVF as failure and how she launched a business with a newborn. Content warning: this episode of Under The Gloss discusses infertility and infant loss so please listen with care. If this raises any issues or concerns, you can reach out to Lifeline on 131114 or at www.lifeline.org.au, and The Pink Elephants Support Network at www.pinkelephants.org.auSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When Rebecca Vallance’s business was really taking off, she was enduring heartbreaking miscarriages and gruelling IVF treatments. In today’s episode, Rebecca joins Phoebe to chat about her traumatic pregnancies, the joys of raising her two boys, the inspiration behind her fashion empire, and she explains how she navigates those dreadful feelings of mother’s guilt. Content warning: this episode of Under The Gloss discusses infertility, so please listen with care. If this raises any issues or concerns, you can reach out to Lifeline on 131114 or at www.lifeline.org.au, and The Pink Elephants Support Network at www.pinkelephants.org.auSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Have you ever spoken to your boss about egg freezing? What about when you’re planning to have children? For Dr Wendy Liu and Dr Joyce Yu, it’s these uncomfortable and deeply personal topics that have become the norm for themselves and other trainee surgeons. On this episode of Under The Gloss, the doctors join Phoebe to chat about the shame and guilt surrounding female surgeons and motherhood, and they explain why it’s near impossible for trainee surgeons to start a family.  You can find more information on the study by Dr Wendy Liu and Dr Joyce Yu here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Boobs…we’re talking about them – again! In this part two episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe is answering all your questions about breast reductions. Joining her to discuss every single detail is writer Mary Madigan, as well as Phoebe’s own surgeon, Dr Steven Liew. How painful is it? Is there any scarring? How do you learn to love your body? No questions are off-limits in this chat. To listen to part one ‘I remember just feeling so free’: Phoebe and Leah Itsines chat breast reductions, listen here: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/i-remember-just-feeling-so-free-phoebe-and-leah/id1626033416?i=1000578559619  Have a read of Mary Madigan’s article here: https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/lifestyle/im-jealous-of-phoebe-burgess-breast-reduction/news-story/8e50b80cb58d5b97030b8917dcc443bdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When Ashlee Thomas was 13, she went on a health kick using social media. Just a year later, she was diagnosed with anorexia. She was hospitalised for 12 weeks and her heart stopped – twice. A startling new Australian study has shown Ashlee isn’t the only one experiencing mental health problems because of social media. On this episode of Under The Gloss, Ashlee joins Phoebe, and Body and Soul’s Alison Izzo, to share her story. TRIGGER WARNING: this episode may be distressing to some listeners. We will be discussing disordered eating, anorexia and suicidal ideation, so please listen with care. If this episode raises any issues or concerns, you can reach out to the Butterfly Foundation. Butterfly Foundation: https://butterfly.org.au/  The Griffith University study: https://research-repository.griffith.edu.au/handle/10072/418873See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

For those who might think Kate Waterhouse’s last name got her places, her family life really only ignited her own love and passion for the racing world. In this special episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe chats to Kate about growing up in the spotlight, forging her own path in life, why she doesn’t take her own style advice and how she’s empowering her two young daughters.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of Under The Gloss, Christian Wilkins joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat all things fashion in the lead up to the Melbourne Cup. He also talks about why his dad will never use the word ‘shame’ when it comes his bold looks, what he actually said to those Logies dress trolls and why he refers to pants as leg prisons.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Trinny Woodall may be known as the straight-talking, taller half of Trinny and Susannah – the fashion duo responsible for reality TV makeovers. But she’s since turned her love of helping women feel good into a multi-million dollar beauty empire – Trinny London. In this episode of Under The Gloss, Trinny joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat relationship breakdowns, losing loved ones, the toll of going through 16 rounds of IVF and navigating the complicated relationship with her late mum.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Imagine growing your baby in the very same womb you were grown in. It might sound like a story line straight from Hollywood, but for Kirsty and Michelle, it’s about to become their reality. Next year, Michelle will be donating her uterus to her daughter in what is Australia’s first-ever uterus transplant trial. There really are no limits to a mother’s love.  Content warning: this episode of Under The Gloss discusses issues relating to infertility and traumatic birth, so please listen with care.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jonathan Seidler was in his early 20s when his father committed suicide. While juggling feelings of grief and vulnerability, life gave him more curveballs – Jonathan was diagnosed with bipolar and experienced infertility. The author sat down with Phoebe Burgess for an incredibly raw and emotional chat about traversing life’s biggest issues. He also put pen to paper in his new memoir – It’s A Shame About Ray which you can link to here. This is Jonno’s story.  Content warning: this episode of Under The Gloss discusses grief, infertility, mental illness and suicide. Lifeline Australia: 13 11 14 Beyond Blue: 1300 22 4636See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe talks to journalist Stephanie Wood about a relationship that was going well....they chatted, they met in person, they went on romantic dates, they talked about growing old on an olive farm together....and then went very badly, with Stephanie discovering the man was dating someone else, he was bankrupt, he had a fraud related criminal conviction and so much more.    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Is me-time a load of BS? Do we all need to abstain from sex? And why on earth are ‘internal showers’ trending on TikTok? In this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe welcomes Felicity Harley, author and host of Body & Soul podcast Healthy-ish, and Alison Izzo, digital and beauty director of Body & Soul to chat about the weird, wonderful and frankly WTF wellness trends.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You’re probably already familiar with the name Jana Pittman. The four-time Commonwealth Games gold medallist turned doctor, is also a mother of six children, each with unique stories of how they came to be. Her journey to motherhood has been anything but conventional: sperm donation, IVF, egg donation, solo-parenting, and co-parenting. Pittman has (almost) done it all.  In this episode of Under The Gloss, Jana opens up about her divorce, the unlikely upshot of career disappointments (hint: it led her to study medicine), the beauty of modern parenting, and why she'll never stop oversharing.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Boobs…let’s talk about them. In this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe and author, cook and Bare founder, Leah Itsines chat about their personal decisions to undergo a breast reduction. From chronic pain to breast-feeding, common misconceptions to confidence, Phoebe and Leah explore the physical and emotional journey to a smaller cup-size. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kathryn Eisman has a unique skill. The Aussie journalist and producer can tell what you’re thinking, by what you’re wearing. She’s even written two books about it - How To Tell A Man By His Shoes and How To tell A Woman By Her Handbag – which investigates how the decisions we make about what to wear each morning have a profound impact on the way the world sees us, and how we see ourselves.In this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe sits down with Kathryn to chat about the premise behind her new show Undressed - a transformational series coming to Network 10 and Paramount + -  and even tests Kathryn’s skills with an impromptu style reading (hint: they stack up). Check out Kathryn's goodies here -  https://highheeljungleshop.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You probably know Camilla Franks as the ‘kaftan queen’: the larger-than-life icon of the Australian fashion industry whose designs are loved by Oprah, JLo, and Robbie Williams. But beyond Camilla, the designer, is Camilla the advocate and all-round champion for breast cancer awareness and screening – a journey she knows all too well after being diagnosed with breast cancer in 2018, eight weeks after the birth of her daughter.In this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe and Camilla chat about the pursuit of perfectionism, her special bond with Olivia Newton-John, Zoom chats with Robbie Williams, and the big changes she’s championing when it comes to a breast cancer diagnosis.Content warning:  This episode contains discussions of loss and suicidal feelings so please take care when listening. If this raises any issues or concerns, you can reach out to Lifeline on 131114 or at www.lifeline.org.au.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe asks all the burning questions of Edwina McCann, Vogue Australia editor-in-chief and Prestige Publisher. From walking the red carpet at this year's Met Gala, to what it truly means to be a sustainable fashion brand, and the evolution of Vogue, Edwina and Phoebe delve Under The Gloss of one of the globe's most influential and recognisable brands. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

According to experts, Australia is on the cusp of a major fertility crisis. Dubbed 'The Infertility Trap' by reproductive biologist, John Aitken, we’re apparently having less children than we did fifty years ago and we're relying on assisted reproductive technologies to do so. To unpack this, Phoebe is joined by Vogue Australia's senior health and beauty editor, Remy Rippon, to discuss her own fertility journey, as well as Dr Courtney Fiebig, a general practitioner from Coogee Beach Doctors, who specialises in antenatal care and fertility. Content warning: This episode contains discussions of infertility and pregnancy loss so please take care when listening. If this raises any issues or concerns, you can reach out to Lifeline on 131114 or at www.lifeline.org.au, and The Pink Elephants Support Network at www.pinkelephants.org.auSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What happens when your career takes a complete left turn? What does it take to drop what you’re doing and pursue your passion? On this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe chats to the wardrobe whisperer of Instagram, Gab Waller and New Zealand-based beauty mogul, Emma Lewisham about career pivots, being led by your passion, and the challenges of building a business from the ground up. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What does it mean to be polyamorous, in an open relationship, or non-monogamous? In this episode of Under the Gloss, Phoebe chats with make-up artist Max Serrano about redefining relationships, boundaries, kinks, and how she navigates dating her husband, with expert advice from sex coach Georgia Grace. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

There’s more to Melissa Leong, than what we see on our screens each night. Deep-thinking and whip-smart, Melissa was on track to attend the Conservatorium of Music before turning her attention to the food industry as a writer, consultant and broadcaster. Then, in 2020, Masterchef came knocking, and life as she knew it, shifted gears. In this episode of Under The Gloss, Melissa talks about letting go of privacy, leather gloves, and why Australians should be ready to hear the stories she’s about to share.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Reproductive and abortion rights are back on the news agenda in the wake of the US Supreme Courts landmark over-turning of Roe v Wade. In this episode, Phoebe chats to award-winning journalist and author Gina Rushton about how this decision has been felt outside of the US and what this ultimately means for reproductive rights here in Australia. Gina Rushton's book: The Most Important Job In The World Content warning: This episode contains discussions of abortion and reproductive rights so please take care when listening. If this raises any issues or concerns, you can reach out to Lifeline on 131114 or at www.lifeline.org.au, and Children by Choice at www.childrenbychoice.org.auSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Friends. Besties. Mates. Whatever you want to call your inner circle, our close friendships are among the most important connections we have in our lives. But what happens when life events like marriage, motherhood, divorce, and career moves, alter those close bonds? And how do we navigate the natural ebbs and flows with those closest to us?In this episode, Phoebe sits down with BFF’s and founders of Keep It Cleaner, Steph Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw, as well as relationship coach Katie O’Donoghue from The Indigo Project to break down how to build new friendships, how to nurture our old faithfuls, and why (occasionally) letting some go, might not be a bad thing. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kylie Moore-Gilbert spent 804 days in an Iranian jail. The then 31-year-old University of Melbourne academic travelled to Iran for a conference, was arrested at the airport, charged with espionage and sentenced to 10 years in prison. This is the second part of Phoebe's conversation with Kylie. In this episode, we delve into the very complicated love triangle Kylie found herself involved in, as well as the reality of returning home to a broken marriage under intense media scrutiny. We also chat about her career and the future of her love life. Her book, The Uncaged Sky, is available now.  Be careful listening to this episode, some of the content discussed is raw and can be confronting. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kylie Moore-Gilbert spent 804 days in an Iranian jail. The then 31-year-old University of Melbourne academic travelled to Iran for a conference, was arrested at the airport, charged with espionage and sentenced to 10 years in prison.After over 2 years inside the jail - and long and delicate negotiations between Iran’s Revolutionary Guard and the Australian government - she was eventually released in 2020.  In this episode of Under The Gloss - the first of two episodes - Kylie delves into the depths of the interrogation and mind games at the hands of the guards, as well as the glimmers of hope that kept her going. Her story is one of resilience and survival.Her book, The Uncaged Sky, is available now.  Be careful listening to this episode, some of the content discussed is raw and can be confronting. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ever considered why we associate drinking with good times? Or why the hangovers (and the anxiety) seem to get worse as we get older? On this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe chats to journalist, podcast host and Sober Curious author Ruby Warrington about why we don't need a 'drinking problem' to find drinking problematic, how to dial-back the booze, and what we might even be missing out on when we pick up a cocktail. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In 2021, Brisbane-based musician and activist, Jaguar Jonze, became one of the first local artists to call out toxic culture within the Australian music industry. It was a move that could have left her music career in tatters, but instead, she was among the brave voices that led to pivotal change within the industry and the company's at the helm.  In this episode, Phoebe and Jaguar explore the price of activism, the healing capability of creativity, and the wedding photo that should never have surfaced. Content warning that this episode touches on themes that could be triggering for some listeners.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Multi-hyphenate comedian, Queer Eye star, author, beauty entrepreneur and advocate, Jonathan Van Ness joins Phoebe for a raw and honest chat that runs the gamut from bravery and turning off your DM’s to Destiny’s Child and pumpkin cross-pollination.Content warning that this episode touches on themes that could be triggering for some listeners.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Georgia Grace is a certified sex coach and podcast host, and in this episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe poses the questions many women might be a little too afraid to ask...what does “infidelity” mean to a sexologist? How do I get back on the dating scene after a bad break-up? And bugger it, should I just have a one night stand?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Our MO at Under The Gloss is to bring you honest and compelling stories. This one starts with that of the host, Phoebe Burgess. For the first episode, we flip the format and invite Claire Harvey, host of the podcast The Front, to ask Phoebe the tough questions about her personal life and reclaiming her voice, as well as the chance meeting that led to two pivotal stories brought to light by The Australian. Content warning that this episode could be triggering for some listeners.  Resources: Link through here and here if that doesn't work in your podcast app type Phoebe Burgess Calls Out Rugby League in your internet browser. Search Rabbitohs Statement Regarding NRL Breach or link through hereSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.