On the Tech Policy Grind Podcast, we discuss the most pressing issues at the intersection of law and technology. We chat with friends and fellows of the Internet Law and Policy Foundry about their perspectives on emerging topics in tech law and policy. From AI to cybersecurity, internet governance, privacy, and more - join us weekly to dig into the latest in tech policy! The Tech Policy Grind was created by Fellows from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. The Foundry is a collaborative organization for Internet law and policy professionals who are passionate about disruptive innovation. Reema Moussa is our host, producer, and editor. Lama Mohammed is our social and promotional coordinator, and our accessibility coordinator is Allyson McReynolds. the 2022 - 2024 class of Foundry Fellows. If you’re interested in supporting the show, reach out to us at [email protected]. ilpfoundry.us
What do birding and dinosaurs have to do with privacy compliance? [S5E6]
Today on the Tech Policy Grind: Our editor, Evan, bids the show farewell for his new role in corporate privacy compliance. He chats with Pedro Pavon, a privacy attorney at Meta, about what it means to be an advocate on the corporate side, how birding can help us maintain a beginners mindset, and how Pedro launched the Data Protection Breakfast Club.
Pedro is a lawyer and policy advocate focused on digital privacy, data strategy, and algorithmic fairness. He hosts the Data Protection Breakfast Club podcast and teaches privacy law at Georgia State University College of Law.
6/12/2024 • 37 minutes, 54 seconds
Responsible Product Design and AI Red Teaming [S5E5]
This week, we’re sharing two conversations from State of the Net that discuss the importance of responsible product design and ethical red teaming for AI. First, we chatted with Aishwarya Vardhana. As a full stack product designer, she designs innovative interfaces and experiences with safety, privacy, and other human rights considerations baked into the product. At State of the Net, when this conversation was recorded, she shared how she thinks about building ethical, inclusive and responsible technology, and how she prioritizes user needs to help keep people safe online.
Then, we sat down with Harley Geiger, Counsel on Cybersecurity Services at Venable, about ethical AI redteaming. What is ethical AI redteaming? And how are redteamers protected under the law when they test out vulnerabilities of AI models? We get into that and much more the conversation with Harley, Foundry fellow Sasa Jovanovic and me during State of the Net.
DISCLAIMER: Daniela, Evan, Sasa, Harley and Aishwarya engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions they are affiliated with.
5/23/2024 • 32 minutes, 2 seconds
Conversations from State of the Net: AI’s Impact on Cybersecurity and the Future of Work [S5E4]
This week on the Tech Policy Grind, we’re sharing two conversations from State of the Net 2024, the premier internet policy conference that took place in February in Washington, D.C, to discuss the impact of AI on cybersecurity policy and the future of work.
Foundry Fellow Sasa Jovanovic and I spoke with Heather West and Charley Snyder on the impact of AI on cybersecurity policy. We discussed the nexus between Artificial Intelligence and cybersecurity, revealing how AI’s advancements carry both protective potential and novel vulnerabilities.
We also chatted with Dr. Athina Kanioura, Chief Strategy and Transformation Officer at PepsiCo, about navigating the policy challenges around the deployment of AI in the workplace, while making sure that AI promotes societal values and labor equity.
DISCLAIMER: Daniela, Evan, Sasa, Athina, Heather and Charley engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions they are affiliated with.
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Athina Kanioura is Executive Vice President, Chief Strategy and Transformation Officer at PepsiCo. An accomplished innovator and transformation leader, Kanioura oversees PepsiCo’s end-to-end strategy to win both as a total company and in key markets, including our digitalization strategy. She also leads company-wide transformation—ensuring that our scale is leveraged as we focus on accelerating profitable growth and identifying areas of cost efficiency and optimization—in addition to overseeing Data Products, Platforms, and Talent. Prior to joining PepsiCo, Kanioura was the Chief Analytics Officer and Global Head of Applied Intelligence at Accenture, where she specialized in applying AI and analytics to drive business value. During her 15 years at Accenture, Kanioura grew the Applied Intelligence function from a subspecialty to a global group at the forefront of scale business transformation. Kanioura is a member of the Royal Statistical and Economics Society, where she contributes to shaping government policy around how data is used by bodies like the IMF. She also sits on the board of the Institute of Marketing Sciences and is a keen educator who has held lectureships at UMIST (UK), Imperial College London (UK), and the University of Sheffield (UK), where she also earned her PhD in Econometrics and Quantitative Economics.
Charley Snyder serves as Head of Security Policy at Google. In this role, Charley leads efforts to organize Google’s security expertise and technology to help solve the world’s pressing challenges related to safety and security online. Charley has security technology and policy experience in the public and private sectors. Before joining Google, he was a senior vice president at Goldman Sachs Group, where he was Global Head of Vulnerability Management and later led the Engineering Division’s zero-trust security strategy. Previously, Charley served in the United States government, including multiple roles in the Department of Defense. He served as Deputy Director of Strategic Cyber Defense and Capabilities in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, and as a Senior Cyber Policy Advisor. Earlier in his career, Charley was a professional staff member for the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Homeland Security, where he led the committee’s oversight of Federal cybersecurity and intelligence issues.
Heather West is a policy and tech translator, product consultant, and long-term digital strategist guiding the intersection of emerging technologies, culture, governments, and policy. Equipped with degrees in both computer and cognitive science, Heather focuses on data governance, data security, artificial intelligence (AI), and privacy in the digital age. She is a subject matter authority who has written extensively about AI and other data driven topics for over a decade. She is also a member of the Washington Post’s The Network, “a group of high-level digital security experts” selected to weigh in on pressing cybersecurity issues.
3/28/2024 • 36 minutes, 40 seconds
First Amendment Experts Dig Into Supreme Court Cases That Could Change Future of Online Discourse [S5E3]
This week on the Tech Policy Grind, an expert panel unpacked the two First Amendment cases heard by the Supreme Court last week.
In 2021, Florida and Texas introduced laws to prevent social media companies from banning political candidates or censoring content based on viewpoints, sparking a debate about the balance between free speech and platform regulation.
The Supreme Court hearing on February 26, 2024 on the Florida and Texas laws set the stage for a broader conversation on the First Amendment rights of social media companies.
To comment on the recent hearings, we brought in Internet Law and Policy Foundry alumna Jess Miers, Senior Counsel at Chamber of Progress to moderate a conversation with two other experts: Vidushi Dyall, Director Legal Analysis at Chamber of Progress who was reporting from the courtroom last week and Eric Goldman, the Associate Dean for Research, Professor of Law, Co-Director of the High Tech Law Institute, and Co-Supervisor of the Privacy Law Certificate, at Santa Clara University School of Law.
DISCLAIMER: Daniela, Evan, Jess, Vidushi, and Eric engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions they are affiliated with.
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Jess Miers is Senior Counsel at Chamber of Progress. As a lawyer and technologist, Jess primarily focuses on the intersection of law and the Internet. She is widely considered an expert on U.S. intermediary liability law and has written, spoken, and taught extensively about topics such as speech and Section 230, content moderation, intellectual property, and cyber crime. Jess is also currently an advisor to the Trust & Safety Professional Association, and an industry mentor for Santa Clara Law’s Tech Edge J.D. certificate program.
Vidushi Dyall is the Director of Legal Analysis at the Chamber of Progress. She is a Fordham Law graduate and has gained meaningful professional experience across tech policy, privacy, and cybersecurity. In her current role she provides rapid analysis and response to breaking developments in cases that involve critical tech policy issues.
Eric Goldman is Associate Dean for Research, Professor of Law, Co-Director of the High Tech Law Institute, and Co-Supervisor of the Privacy Law Certificate, at Santa Clara University School of Law. His research and teaching focuses on Internet law, and he blogs on that topic at the Technology & Marketing Law Blog.
Resources:
Moody v. NetChoice, LLC
NetChoice, LLC v. Paxton
Communications Decency Act
Reno v. ACLU
Section 230
3/7/2024 • 36 minutes, 24 seconds
Making the Case Against Aerial Surveillance, with the ACLU’s Jay Stanley [S5E2]
Welcome to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry!
In this episode, Foundry Fellow Katelyn Ringrose sat down with Jay Stanley, Senior Policy Analyst, at the ACLU’s Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, to discuss Jay’s work on aerial surveillance law and policy, with a spotlight on the work that the ACLU is doing to keep you safe from eyes in the sky. While these two drone on about aerial surveillance (no pun intended), check out some of the resources listed below. This episode will be part of a mini-series on surveillance law and policy with some amazing future guests, so thank you for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
DISCLAIMER: Katelyn engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions they are affiliated with.
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Jay Stanley started working on privacy and technology issues at the ACLU five weeks before 9/11. His role at the ACLU is to help the organization think through, monitor, and explain the impact of new technologies on our privacy, free speech and other civil liberties. He has worked on a wide variety of cutting-edge science and technology issues and authored and co-authored a variety of influential ACLU reports, policy papers, and blog posts. Among his current areas of focus are aerial surveillance, digital identity, digital currency, and license plate scanners. Before joining the ACLU, he worked as an analyst at the technology research company Forrester Research, and did graduate studies in 20th century American history at UVA (ABD).
As Google's Global Policy Lead for Law Enforcement and Government Access, Katelyn Ringrose works on any and all issues tied to data governance. Prior to her current position, Katelyn served as the Future of Privacy Forum's Christopher Wolf Diversity Fellow — working on data privacy and security. Through the International Association of Privacy Professionals, Katelyn holds CIPM, CIPP-EU, and CIPP-U certifications & is a 2021 Fellow of Information Privacy. Katelyn was chosen as a 2022 Out in National Security Leader, and is a former board member for Women in Security and Privacy (WISP) in Washington, DC. She writes about issues tied to state/federal privacy legislation; sensitive personal data; and appropriate safeguards for cross-border transfers. Find Katelyn's law reviews and articles in Berkeley Tech Law Journal, Berkeley Law Review, Denver Law Review, Notre Dame Journal of Emerging Technology, Notre Dame Law Review, on IAPP and FPF's websites, and more.
Resources:
ACLU White Papers
Eye-in-the-Sky Policing Needs Strict Limits
Press on surveillance in the sky
‘Drones as first responders’ programs need guardrails, says ACLU
Key drones-related court cases
ACLU v. CBP - FOIA Case for Records Relating to Government’s Aerial Surveillance of Protesters
Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department
3/1/2024 • 34 minutes, 2 seconds
State of the Net Live 2024: Neurotechnology and Privacy, a New Era of Internet Geopolitics, and the Legal Landscape for Online Expression [S5E1]
Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! To kick off Season Five, the Tech Policy Grind is bringing you to State of the Net 2024 Live!
On February 12, 2024 officials from the executive and legislative branches joined internet and tech advocates in Washington, D.C. to discuss topics such as child online safety, AI regulation and governance, internet access and affordability, the legal and regulatory landscape on online expression, and more.
In this episode, we put together three conversations from our live recording at the conference. Foundry alum Lama Mohammed chatted with Jameson Spivack, Senior Policy Analyst, Immersive Technologies at Future of Privacy Forum on the challenges of balancing progress and privacy when it comes to neurotechnologies. Then Senior Foundry fellows Sasa Jovanovic and Daniela Guzman Peña sat down with Colin Crowell, the Senior Advisor & Managing Director of The Blue Owl Group to discuss how internet geopolitics and diplomacy will evolve in the next era of the web. Finally, we had the chance to speak with Nicole Saad Bembridge, Counsel at NetChoice, about the legal landscape for Supreme Court cases this year, which might reframe the boundaries of online expression and platform liability. So sit back, relax, and enjoy a wide-ranging episode that showcases some of the key issues that were discussed at this agenda-setting conference.
Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
DISCLAIMER: Daniela, Lama, and Sasa engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions they are affiliated with.
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Jameson Spivack: Jameson Spivack leads the Future of Privacy Forum's work on immersive technologies like extended reality, neurotechnologies, and virtual worlds. He works with a range of stakeholders from industry, civil society, and academia to understand the impact of emerging privacy laws on immersive technologies, and to develop best practices for organizations developing or deploying them. Previously, Jameson was an Associate with the Center on Privacy & Technology at Georgetown Law, where he worked on research and policy advocacy related to algorithmic technologies like face recognition in the criminal legal system.
Colin Crowell: Colin Crowell is the Managing Director of The Blue Owl Group. Colin is an international tech policy consultant and the former Vice President of Global Public Policy, Government, & Philanthropy at Twitter. During his 8+ years at Twitter, Colin built an award-winning philanthropy program and engaged with global policymakers and civil society on a range of Internet policy issues. Prior to joining Twitter, Colin worked as Senior Counselor to the Chairman of the Federal Communications Commission and previously spent more than two decades on Capitol Hill drafting telecommunications and Internet laws on the committee staff of then-U.S. Representative (now Senator) Ed Markey (D-MA). Colin was the 2020 Commencement Speaker at the LBJ School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas - Austin. He is a graduate of Boston College with a BA in Political Science and a minor concentration in Computer Science. After college, Colin was a Jesuit International Volunteer in Arequipa, Peru.
Nicole Saad Bembridge: As Associate Director of NetChoice’s Litigation Center, Saad Bembridge focuses on NetChoice’s litigation and amicus efforts. She specializes in reviewing federal and state legislation that affect the First Amendment, freedom of speech, Section 230 and AI.
Before joining NetChoice, Saad Bembridge worked as a legal associate at the Cato Institute’s Center for Constitutional Studies, where she co-authored twelve appellate amicus briefs, a policy analysis on content moderation paradigms, and provided analysis on a broad range of constitutional and statutory issues of first impression. During law school, she worked at the United Nations and at Georgetown University’s Institute for Technology Law & Policy.
Saad Bembridge earned her J.D. from the Georgetown University Law Center, where she was a Technology Law and Policy Scholar. She holds B.A.s in Economics and Piano Performance from the University of Washington, Seattle.
Resources:
Neurotechnology and Privacy
The Neurorights Foundation
Risk Framework for Body-Related Data in Immersive Technologies
A New Era of Internet Geopolitics
The Blue Owl Group
Center for Democracy and Technology
Electronic Frontier Foundation
Telecommunications Act of 1996
Digital Services Act
Legal Landscape for Online Expression
Moody v. NetChoice, LLC
NetChoice, LLC v. Paxton
Murthy v. Missouri
National Rifle Association of America v. Vullo
Lindke v. Freed and O’Connor-Ratcliff v. Garnier
2/22/2024 • 53 minutes, 41 seconds
The Tech Policy Grind Signs Off (For Now!) [S4E38]
This final episode of the Tech Policy Grind season 4 stars Class Four Internet Law & Policy Foundry Fellows Meri Baghdasaryan, Lama Mohammed, and Reema Moussa one last time before their fellowship with The Foundry ends in January.
In this episode, the fellows reflect on the highlights of 2023, including the growth of the podcast, the Foundry's participation in the State of the Net, and our renowned Trivia Night. Meri, Lama, and Reema share their 2024 plans, and some of the Class Four Fellow's favorite memories at The Foundry, including a star feature from Joseph Catapano.
Listeners will also get a sneak peek into Season 5 from the show's new co-executive producers, Class Five Fellows Evan Enzer and Daniela Guzmán Peña.
Finally, thank you to our Class Four Fellows for all of your valuable contributions to the Tech Policy Grind and to the Foundry!
Resources in this episode:
State of the Net 2023
ICANN
IAPP
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DISCLAIMER: Reema Moussa, Lama Mohammed, Meri Baghdasaryan, Joseph Catapano, Rebeeca Kilberg, Evan Enzer, and Daniela Guzman Peña engage with the Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect on the organizations Reema, Lama, Meri, Joseph, Rebecca, Evan and Daniela are affiliated with.
12/29/2023 • 1 hour, 7 minutes, 43 seconds
How to Start a Tech Policy Podcast and Other Stories with Reema Moussa [S4E37]
This week, Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Reema Moussa, the host and producer of this podcast. Reema is currently a third-year J.D. Candidate at the USC Gould School of Law focused on cybersecurity, privacy, internet governance, trust & safety, and other tech law and policy issues.
In this episode, Meri takes Reema through an introspective conversation about Reema's journey as a law student and an ILPF Fellow, as the fellowship (and her time in law school) comes to an end. In addition, Reema reflects on her path to internet law and policy, starting with a formative college internship at the International Telecommunication Union in Geneva, which sparked her interest in international law, AI policy, and cyberwarfare. She then explains how she has found a niche at the nexus of cybersecurity & privacy, trust & safety, business, and the law over the last several years. Then, Meri and Reema get into her experience as a Foundry fellow and executive board member. She also highlights some of her other internships and organizations she's been involved in.
Reema discusses her passion for being a bridge between professional communities and her goal of harnessing communication as a lawyer to drive innovation. As a tech optimist at heart, she discusses how she balances her motivation to use the law to protect people from the potential harms or abuses of technology, with her belief that technology can ultimately make the world better.
Resources mentioned in the episode:
International Telecommunication Union
University of California Santa Barbara, Women in Cybersecurity
World Summit on the Information Society Conference
AI for Good Conference
Future of Privacy Forum
Electronic Frontier Foundation
ABA AntiTrust Section - Privacy and Information Security Committee
Sentinel One
Intellectual Property and Technology Law Clinic at University of Southern California Gould School of Law
Goodwin Procter
VMCA Advogados
California Lawyers Association, Privacy Section
LA County Bar Association, Privacy and Cybersecurity Section
Internet Law and Policy Foundry
Leading from the Heart Foundation (coming in 2024)
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Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
DISCLAIMER: Reema Moussa and Meri Baghdasaryan engage with the Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect on the organizations Reema and Meri are affiliated with.
12/21/2023 • 38 minutes, 15 seconds
A 2023 Privacy Law Update with Keir Lamont and Divya Sridhar [S4E36]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind podcast! This week, Reema chats with Keir Lamont (Future of Privacy Forum) and Divya Sridhar (BBB National Programs) on the core 2023 privacy law updates you need to know. They cover updates since Keir was on the show last year discussing his 5 key predictions for 2023 - including how those predictions panned out, what actually happened, and what's coming up in 2024.
As the Director of Privacy Initiatives at BBB National Programs, Divya’s portfolio encompasses the design, development and launch of multiple industry self-regulation privacy programs. She is a seasoned leader who previously served in numerous capacities at think tanks, private companies, and nonprofits leading government affairs and policy work.
Keir Lamont (CIPP/US) is the Director of the Future of Privacy Forum’s U.S. Legislation team. In this role he supports research and independent analysis concerning federal, state, and local consumer privacy laws and regulations. Keir previously held positions at CCIA and the Program on Data and Governance at Ohio State University. He holds a J.D. from Georgetown University Law Center and a B.A. from the University of Florida.
You can check out Keir's blog post on questions for 2024, last year's episode, Divya's articles mentioned, and other useful resources below.
Resources mentioned:
Privacy Legislation in 2023: What’s Coming in the New Year? with Keir Lamont [S3E28]
Five Big Questions (And Zero Predictions) for the U.S. State Privacy Landscape in 2024
DAAP Decisions and Guidance
Not So Sweet Sixteen: Teen Privacy Considerations and Injunction Junction: Considerations with 1A and the Age Appropriate Design Code
BBB National Programs Comments to the NTIA/White House on teen privacy.
Taking a risk-based approach to health data privacy (iapp.org)
New WA Consumer Health Law Drives Call to Action: Adopt Robust Standards in the Health B2C Marketplace
AI in Hiring and Recruiting Principles and Protocols
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DISCLAIMER: Reema engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in her personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions she is affiliated with.
12/14/2023 • 1 hour, 13 minutes, 16 seconds
The TPG Gets Meta (Not That One): Podcasters Unite! with Angelique Carson, Nicole Dove, and Noah Katz [S4E35]
Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! This week, Reema gets “meta” by chatting with other podcasters to give a behind-the-scenes look into the world of tech policy podcast production. She chatted with Angelique Carson, host of The Privacy Beat podcast, Nicole Dove, host of the Urban Girl Corporate World podcast, and Noah Katz, host of the Careers in Data Privacy podcast. The podcast pros get into discuss how they launched their podcasts and what they’ve learned as podcast hosts. They also discuss their careers in the privacy, cybersecurity, and tech policy space.
About the podcasters:
Angelique Carson is a longtime privacy journalist. After working in Maine’s local media, she spent 11 years reporting on privacy at the IAPP. There, she served as the editor of The Privacy Advisor, a monthly publication. In 2016, she launched the first-ever privacy podcast by the same name. Now Director of Content Strategy at TerraTrue, a privacy-by-design software startup, she publishes The Privacy Beat Newsletter and The Privacy Beat Podcast. She frequently speaks at events, as well as on panels, webinars, and other podcasts, and she’s based in Washington, D.C.
Nicole Dove is an award-winning cybersecurity leader, university lecturer, LinkedIn Learning Instructor & host of the Urban Girl Corporate World podcast with over 18 years of experience driving results across cybersecurity, audit, global operations and relationship management functions. At Riot Games, she serves as Head of Security, Games Division. There, she's building the company’s first global BISO team, furthering the alignment of business and information security initiatives.
Noah Katz (CIPP/US) recently graduated from Ohio State University’s Moritz College of Law. During his time in law school, Noah held internships at Zscaler, Ohio State University, and the Future of Privacy Forum. In addition, Noah was the Founder & President of the Data Privacy and Cybersecurity Club. He was also the Managing Editor at the Ohio State Technology Law Journal.
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DISCLAIMER: Reema engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in her personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions she is affiliated with.
12/7/2023 • 45 minutes, 16 seconds
Brazilian Privacy Update with Marcela Mattiuzzo and Nathalie Fragoso [S4E34]
Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! This week, Reema chats with Marcela Mattiuzzo and Nathalie Fragoso, Partners at VMCA Advogados, on Brazilian privacy law and regulatory policy updates.
They dive into recent activity from Brazil's data protection authority (the ANPD), and the history of the LGPD. They also cover how regulatory control of Artificial Intelligence is shaping up.
Marcela Mattiuzzo is partner at VMCA in the areas of data protection and competition law. She holds a PhD and a Masters from the University of São Paulo. Previously, she was a Visiting Fellow at the Information Society Project at Yale University. In addition, she worked as advisor and chief of staff to the President of the Brazilian competition authority.
Nathalie Fragoso is a partner at VMCA in the area of data protection and technology as well, with a special focus on internet regulation. She is also a Professor at Insper. Previously, she has been the Head of Research on Privacy and Surveillance at InternetLab, and held roles at the Brazilian Institute for the Defense of the Right to Defense, the Criminal Justice Network, and the Luiz Gama Human Rights Clinic at the University of São Paulo Law School.
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DISCLAIMER: Reema engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in her personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions she is affiliated with.
11/30/2023 • 47 minutes, 36 seconds
What’s New In Tech Policy with the Foundry Fellows [S4E33]
Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! This episode, Foundry Fellows Reema Moussa, Lama Mohammed, and Joe Catapano cover some of the latest headlines in tech policy.
They cover the latest updates in the Federal Trade Commission's case against the data broker Kochava, the DOJ's antitrust case against Google, and the reauthorization of Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). They also cover some global updates on AI regulation, from the White House's AI executive order to the Global AI Safety Summit. Finally, Reema wraps up with coverage on Meta's new political advertising disclosure policy around AI-generated content coinciding with new EU rules on targeted political ads for Big Tech.
Resources Referenced and Further Readings Aids:
Data Brokers, Ad-Tech, and the Civil Liberties at Stake with Justin Sherman [S4E27]
FTC v. Kochava and What’s Next for the FTC’s Section 5 Unfairness Authority
Unsealed amended complaint in FTC v. Kochava
US wraps up antitrust case against Google in historic trial
Key Takeaways from the Global AI Safety Summit
FACT SHEET: President Biden Issues Executive Order on Safe, Secure, and Trustworthy Artificial Intelligence
ANPD's Call for Contributions to the regulatory sandbox for artificial intelligence and data protection in Brazil is now open
ICYMI: White House ONDCP Director Op-Ed on Reauthorization of Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
Wyden, Lee, Davidson and Lofgren Introduce Bipartisan Legislation to Reauthorize and Reform Key Surveillance Law, Secure Protections for Americans’ Rights
Meta to require political advertisers disclose AI-generated content
Big Tech to face tougher rules on targeted political ads in EU
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DISCLAIMER: Foundry Fellows Reema, Lama, and Joe engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions they are affiliated with.
11/23/2023 • 23 minutes, 42 seconds
Demystifying Election Security Misinformation with Katie Harbath [S4E32]
Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! In this episode, Senior Fellow Lama Mohammed interviews Katie Harbath, CEO and Founder of Anchor Change on election security misinformation.
With 2024 setting out to be “tsunami” year of elections, Lama and Katie dive deep into definitions, misinformation around election infrastructure. Then, they get into the role of AI in disinformation, rebuilding trust between public users, technologists, government, and the media, and more.
Anchor Change is a consulting organization developing solutions at the intersection of tech, policy, and business. They focus on global issues related to democracy, elections, and civic engagement online.
You also can connect with Katie on LinkedIn and Twitter, or by subscribing to her newsletter “Anchor Change with Katie Harbath.”
Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
Resources Referenced and Further Readings Aids:
“Mis-, Dis-, and Malinformation Planning and Incident Response Guide for Election Officials” by the United States Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA)
“People Are Disinformation’s Biggest Problem, Not AI, Experts Say” by Nate Lanxon and Jackie Davalos for Bloomberg
“Hivemind: The New Science of Tribalism in Our Divided World” by Sarah Rose Cavanagh, Ph.D
Trends in Gen Z News Consumption in Morning Consult
Editors' Note: Gaza Hospital Coverage in The New York Times
“Impossible Tradeoffs with Katie Harbath” podcast
Integrity Institute
United States Polling Place Locator
DISCLAIMER: Lama engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in her personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions Lama is affiliated with.
11/2/2023 • 34 minutes, 31 seconds
What’s Class Five Up To? With Evan Enzer, Zia Mohammad, and Daniela Guzman Peña [S4E31]
This week, host Reema Moussa catches up with three Class 5 fellows Evan Enzer, Zia Mohammad, and Daniela Guzman Peña. Evan Enzer is the editor of the Tech Policy Grind podcast and a consultant focused on privacy law compliance and operations. Zia is a technologist working as a product manager for Amazon Web Services in quantum computing. Daniela is a co-producer of the Tech Policy Grind podcast, former journalist, and working on policy development and stakeholder engagement at a tech platform. We caught up with these three fellows to hear more about their diverse careers in tech policy and what they’ve been working on during their first year with the Foundry.
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Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
DISCLAIMER: Evan, Zia, and Daniela engage with the Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect on the organizations Evan, Zia, and Daniela are affiliated with.
10/26/2023 • 26 minutes, 18 seconds
Fellow Highlights: Curiosity and Collaboration with Dyllan Brown-Bramble [S4E30]
This week Class 4 Fellow and Fellow Highlights series host Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Dyllan Brown-Bramble, who is a Class 4 fellow and leads Foundry’s Annual Policy Hackathon Committee. Dyllan is an associate at a global law firm where he practices privacy and cybersecurity law. He also serves as a Junior Board Member for the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project (S.T.O.P.). Dyllan graduated from Georgetown University Law Center in 2018 where he was a Technology Law and Policy Scholar and before that he graduated from Rutgers University in 2014.
Meri and Dyllan chat about Dyllan’s path into privacy and cybersecurity, skills needed to be a successful lawyer in this field, and Dyllan’s activities at the Foundry. Dyllan highlights the importance of being curious, learning continuously and remembering that collaboration will take you further, than competition.
Resources mentioned in the episode:
IAPP Newsletter
TechCrunch
Fortune - Data Sheet and Eye On A.I.
Georgetown Center Privacy & Technology
Georgetown Law Institute for Technology Law & Policy
Bar Associates and Meetups
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10/19/2023 • 29 minutes, 24 seconds
Getting Up to Speed on Vehicle Privacy with Adonne Washington and Andrea Amico [S4E29]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry! On this week’s episode, Evan Enzer, an ILPF fellow and car-centric SoCal Native, met up with Adonne Washington (Future of Privacy Forum) and Andrea Amico (Privacy4Cars) to cover our introduction to vehicle privacy, a fast-emerging market in the broader privacy law and policy profession.
They get into Andrea’s new project, VehiclePrivacyReport.com; FPF’s excellent introductory resources; Mozilla’s latest edition of Privacy Not Included; and the California Privacy Protection Agency’s (CPPA’s) auto company enforcement sweep. The trio also briefly mentions Evan’s Wiretaps on Wheel’s whitepaper. These resources should be enough to bring us up to speed (puns always intended) on car privacy.
Resources Referenced
Future of Privacy Forum’s infographics and material on connected cars: https://fpf.org/blog/infographic-data-connected-car-version-1-0/.
Privacy4Cars’ Vehicle Privacy Report: https://vehicleprivacyreport.com/report/.
Mozilla’s Privacy Not Included: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/privacy-nightmare-on-wheels-every-car-brand-reviewed-by-mozilla-including-ford-volkswagen-and-toyota-flunks-privacy-test/.
STOP’s wiretaps on Wheels whitepaper: https://www.stopspying.org/wiretaps-on-wheels./
10/12/2023 • 33 minutes, 56 seconds
Queer Privacy and Digital Equity with Cobun Zweifel-Keegan and Vinny DiGilio [S4E28]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! This week’s episode is all about queer privacy. Foundry Fellow Katelyn Ringrose chats with Cobun Zweifel-Keegan (IAPP) and Vinny DiGilio (Grindr) about privacy issues impacting the queer community.
They get into what queer privacy means to them, and why digital equity is so critical for LGBTQ+ people, most especially, youth. Then, Cobun and Vinny discuss what it means to be part of two, sometimes intersecting identities, as queer privacy professionals, and how their advocacy on behalf of their community impacts their work on the day-to-day.
Plus, LGBT Tech chimes in to discuss some of their policy work, and how to support bridging the digital divide.
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Resources Referenced:
LGBT Tech
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10/5/2023 • 29 minutes, 50 seconds
Data Brokers, Ad-Tech, and the Civil Liberties at Stake with Justin Sherman [S4E27]
This week, Reema sits down with Justin Sherman, CEO of Global Cyber Strategies, to talk all things data brokers.
They cover the ad-tech ecosystem, the past, current, and future of federal and state-level regulation on data brokers, and what the data brokerage industry means for civil liberties. They then dig deep into recent FTC action, including the implications of FTC v. Kochava, the California DELETE Act, and what might be coming down the pipeline in data broker regulation - including the CFPB's latest action on data brokers.
Justin's consulting firm, Global Cyber Strategies, is a Washington, DC-based research and advisory firm. Justin is also a senior fellow at Duke University’s Sanford School of Public Policy, where he leads its data brokerage research project and lectures on cybersecurity, privacy, and technology policy. In addition, he is a nonresident fellow at the Atlantic Council. He's also a contributing editor at Lawfare, an op-ed columnist at Slate Magazine, and a fellow at Stanford Starling Lab.
Justin also serves as an advisor to the Christchurch Call to Eliminate Terrorist and Violent Extremist Content Online, a community of more than 120 governments, online service providers, and civil society organizations working to eliminate violent extremist content on the internet. Additionally, he is the technology advisor to the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project (S.T.O.P.).
Resources mentioned in the episode:
2013 U.S. Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation Report - A Review of the Data Broker Industry: Collection, Use, and Sale of Consumer Data for Marketing Purposes
2014 Federal Trade Commission Report -Data Brokers: A Call for Transparency and Accountability
2023 Washington Post investigation into the outing of a closeted priest using phone location data originating from, among others, Grindr
Justin's 2022 Lawfare article on a data broker who helped run anti-abortion ads to women in clinic waiting rooms
2022 Open Secrets report on data brokers who make millions selling data to political groups
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9/28/2023 • 55 minutes, 56 seconds
An Engineer’s Guide to Cyber Policy with Grant Versfeld [S4E26]
This week Class 4 Fellow and Fellow Highlights series host Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Grant Versfeld. Grant is Co-Vice President for the Foundry’s current E-Board and is a Threat Intelligence Engineer at a major tech company. He recently graduated from Tufts University with a degree in Computer Science, where he specialized in cybersecurity and technology policy. As a student, he served as a Teaching Assistant for Dr. Susan Landau at the Fletcher School and interned with the Center for Democracy and Technology. In his spare time, Grant volunteers with an organization that provides security and privacy services to survivors of intimate partner violence.
Meri and Grant chat about threat intelligence, Grant’s work with CDT and at the Foundry. Then, they reflect on the importance of interdisciplinary approach and collaboration in tech policy and beyond.
Resources mentioned in the episode:
Cybercon 2022
CETA (Clinic to End Tech Abuse)
CDT’s Techsplanations
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9/14/2023 • 27 minutes, 43 seconds
Human Memory and Digital Preservation with Stephen Abrams [S4E25]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. In this episode, Class 4 Fellow Rebecca Kilberg interviews Dr. Stephen Abrams, Head of the Digital Preservation program at the Harvard University Library.
How do priorities for digital preservation develop? How similar are digital preservation strategies and policies to those used in traditional preservation contexts, and where do they differ? What new costs must be accounted for, and what unexpected benefits are being uncovered? Our experts explore how preservationists are adjusting to novel challenges and opportunities while developing the digital arm of a field devoted to “ensuring the continuity of human memory.”
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9/7/2023 • 35 minutes, 7 seconds
Cyberlaw and Incident Response with Jena Valdetero [S4E24]
This week Class 5 Fellow Gabe Rudin sits down with Jena Valdetero, the Co-Chair of the Greenberg Traurig’s (GT) U.S. Data Privacy and Cybersecurity Practice for a discussion on cyberlaw and incident response.
Jena and Gabe discuss Jena’s path to the field, changing technologies and tactics employed by threat actors, what incident response entails, the SEC’s new cybersecurity disclosure rules, and the practical demands of a cybersecurity lawyer.
Resources mentioned in the episode:
New SEC cybersecurity rules regarding breaches
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8/31/2023 • 37 minutes, 37 seconds
Spanning the Tech Policy Spectrum with David Morar [S4E23]
This week, Class 4 Fellow and Fellow Highlights series host Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with David Morar, Ph.D. David is a researcher and public policy professional, and a three-time ICANN Fellow. His work spans the spectrum of technology policy issues, both nationally and internationally, from privacy and open data to ethics and content issues (e.g. disinformation, moderation). David is currently a Senior Policy Analyst with New America’s Open Technology Institute, a visiting scholar at the Schar School of Policy and Government, and a Fellow at the Digital Interests Lab, among other affiliations.
Meri and David chat about the dynamics behind tech policy making in the US and Europe, David’s engagement with Internet Governance communities, particularly at ICANN, and the importance of not self-eliminating, but showing up and contributing, as you learn and expand your expertise.
Resources mentioned in the episode:
Tech policy press
Tech dirt
Brookings TechTank
Lawfare
Slate Future Tense
Politico Pro
Axios Pro Tech Policy
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8/24/2023 • 34 minutes, 29 seconds
Privacy, Patience and Practice with Justin P’ng [S4E22]
This week, Class 4 Fellow and Fellow Highlights series host Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Justin P’ng. Justin is a Class 4 Fellow and a privacy and cybersecurity lawyer at Fasken Martineau DuMoulin LLP, an international law firm based in Canada. His practice focuses on cyber incident response, data governance, and privacy compliance. He obtained his law degree from Osgoode Hall Law School and previously studied International Relations at the University of Toronto. Justin is a Junior Board Member at the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project and was formerly President of the Federation of Asian Canadian Lawyers (FACL Ontario), a pan-Asian affinity bar association. He is interested in privacy frameworks, digital security, human rights, cybersecurity policy, and artificial intelligence regulation.
Meri and Justin chat about Justin’s journey into privacy and cybersecurity. They chat about his early and ongoing interests in human rights law, and initiatives he works on. Justin shares an overview of his day-to-day practice, the challenges and excitement of working in a dynamic field, as well as his projects and experience at the Foundry.
Resources mentioned in the episode:
LinkedIn updates - suggested experts to follow: Omer Tene, Daniel Solove, Phil Lee, Odia Kagan
IAPP and its KnowledgeNet chapters
Law firm blogs, newsletters, bulletins, webinars
Podcasts - Privacy Beat, Lawfare, The Sunday show, Cyberlaw podcast
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8/17/2023 • 34 minutes, 28 seconds
Cracking the Code: Addressing AI Bias with Jiahao Chen, Amber Ezzell, and Juhi Koré [S4E21]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry!
In this episode, Class 4 Fellow Lama Mohammed chats with Jiahao Chen, Founder and CEO of Artifical Intelligence, LLC, Amber Ezzell, Policy Counsel at the Future of Privacy Forum, and Juhi Koré, Digital Projects in a recent panel on bias in artificial intelligence (AI).
In a fourth event in a series of AI-related webinars leading up to The Foundry’s Annual Policy Hackathon, Lama, Jiahao, Amber, and Juhi define AI bias, explain its harmful effects, and provide insights into global AI policy developments.
The experts that joined the episode:
Jiahao Chen is the Founder and CEO of Responsible Artificial Intelligence, LLC. Before founding Responsible AI Jiahao was a Research Scientist at MIT's Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Lab where he co-founded and led the Julia Lab. There, he focused on applications of the Julia programming language, scientific computing, and machine learning.
Amber Ezzell is a Policy Counsel at the Future of Privacy Forum. In particular, she focuses on artificial intelligence and machine learning, and employee and workplace privacy.
Juhi Koré works within the UNDP’s Chief Digital Office, where she manages digital products and contributes to fundraising/partnerships efforts.
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8/10/2023 • 37 minutes, 45 seconds
Building a Responsible Tech Community with David Polgar [S4E20]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! This week, Reema chats with David Ryan Polgar, Founder of All Tech is Human, about creating a responsible tech community.
They get into what responsible tech means, and why David thinks New York City is the center of the responsible tech community. Reema and David also dig into his background, and how his multiple hats as an attorney, educator, and founder contribute to his outlook on what responsible tech means for our local and global societies in the digital age.
Plus, Reema and fellow Foundry Fellow Lama Mohammed chat with attendees of All Tech is Human's latest NYC Responsible Tech mixer about what the responsible tech community means to them.
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Resources Referenced:
Responsible Tech Guide
Tech & Democracy report
AI & Human Rights report
Check out the next All Tech is Human Responsible Tech Mixer in NYC
Responsible Tech Summit in NYC on September 14
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8/3/2023 • 33 minutes, 32 seconds
Will Art Survive In the Age of Generative AI? With Kieran Henstenburg and Christopher Shannon [S4E19]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! In this episode, Class 4 Fellow Lama Mohammed chats with Glen Echo Group’s Creative Director, Christopher Shannon, and Associate Designer Kieran Henstenburg.
The Glen Echo Group is a public affairs and public relations firm headquartered in Washington, D.C., specializing in policy and communications in technology policy. GEG works across the digital ecosystem, including artificial intelligence, broadband, cybersecurity, immersive technology, privacy, and more.
In this conversation, Lama chats with Christopher and Kieran about how organizations’ creative and design teams can set up guardrails when utilizing generative artificial intelligence and the ethical questions to consider when using the technology.
With the ongoing Writer’s Strike still dominating headlines, our experts dive into the importance of accountability, transparency, and responsible usage of AI-enabled tools to protect the artistic and entertainment industry. They balance these considerations with that of still being able to democratize the field for underrepresented communities.
You can connect with Christopher and Kieran on LinkedIn and view all the great work they do for the Glen Echo Group by visiting the firm’s website or following the Glen Echo Group on social media.
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Resources Referenced:
Adobe Firefly
Charlie Brooker on Generative AI
Google’s DeepDream
State of the Net Conference Series
Writer’s Guild of America (WGA) Strike
Screen Actors Guild – American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (SAG-AFTRA) Strike Letter
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7/27/2023 • 36 minutes, 59 seconds
Artificial Intelligence Use Cases with Gillian Diebold, Hodan Omaar, & Charley Snyder [S4E18]
The rollout of generative AI has helped illustrate how transformative AI technology can be. But the emergence of AI shouldn't be surprising since it's been implemented across sectors for years. This episode's discussion centers around the various artificial intelligence use cases in a number of verticals.
In this conversation moderated by Foundry Fellow Alvaro Marañon, Hodan Omaar (ITIF), Charley Snyder, (Google), and Gillian Diebold (ITIF) discuss how artificial intelligence has been developed and deployed in various industries from enhancing organizational cybersecurity to modernizing public education.
For more on artificial intelligence use cases, check out the full discussion here.
Stay tuned for more updates to come on the Foundry's annual Policy Hackathon!
Resources mentioned in the episode:
NIST
Google - Secure AI Framework
Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP)
OSTP’s request for information on national priorities for AI
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7/20/2023 • 32 minutes, 10 seconds
Decentralizing Social Media with Eric Goldman [S4E17]
What does Meta's Threads product mean for the future of social media? Reema dives into this and the current state of social media with Professor Eric Goldman, one of the world's leading experts on social media and the law. They discuss how the fediverse works and the pros and cons of decentralizing social media. Professor Goldman explores how content moderation impacts the potential proliferation of decentralizing social media platforms, and vice versa.
They also cover how interoperability online interacts with competition concerns, and what this means for social media users' experience. Plus, stay tuned for Professor Goldman's favorite piece of advice to his students at SCU law.
Eric Goldman is a Professor of Law and Co-Director of the High Tech Law Institute at Santa Clara University School of Law. Follow him on LinkedIn or his many other social media platforms (@ericgoldman).
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7/13/2023 • 37 minutes, 38 seconds
Artificial Intelligence and Intellectual Property [S4E16]
Many have called for AI regulation, but existing IP laws already apply to generative AI because they protect the original works of authorship used to train foundational models. In this conversation moderated by Foundry Fellow Ekene Chuks-Okeke, IP experts Elena Gurevich (Center for Art Law, EG Legal Services) Franklin Graves (HCA Healthcare, Creator Economy Law) and Juyoun Han (Eisenberg & Baum, LLP) discuss the relationship between copyright and AI, artists perspectives, nuances of pending litigation, current guidance from the US Copyright Office, and how the values of artists and creatives in the marketplace can and will shape the future of generative AI.
7/6/2023 • 35 minutes, 31 seconds
From the Hill to the Bar: A Path to Cyberlaw with Allyson McReynolds [S4E15]
This week Class 4 Fellow and Fellow Highlights series host Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Allyson McReynolds, a recent graduate from George Mason University Antonin Scalia Law School and currently a Legal Fellow at the Wikimedia Foundation. Prior to law school, Allyson worked in the U.S. House of Representatives as a Legislative Assistant advising on homeland security, technology, and judiciary policy. In law school she held internships at the Federal Communications Commission, US Senate, and Future of Privacy Forum. She is a member of the Fourth Class of Foundry Fellows and serves as the Communications Director.
Meri and Allyson chat about Allyson’s work on the Capitol Hill, her interests and internships in the field of privacy and cybersecurity, Allyson’s engagement with the Foundry and how to maximize your time at law school.
Resources mentioned in the episode:
FCBA (The Tech Bar)
Wilson Center Congressional Fellowships
Cybercon 2022
Connect with Allyson McReynolds on LinkedIn here; https://www.linkedin.com/in/allyson-mcreynolds-a69485121/
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6/29/2023 • 23 minutes, 37 seconds
Artificial Intelligence 101 [S4E14]
In this episode, Foundry Fellow Dyllan Brown-Bramble chats with Micaela Mantegna, Bikalpa Neupane, and Adil Islam. Dyllan and the panelists cover the basic who, what, when, where and why of artificial intelligence.
The conversation panel discussed what AI is, its future, and their thoughts on the pros and cons of AI technology.
This event is the first in a series of AI-related events leading up to our Fourth Annual Policy Hackathon. The Hackathon will be held this September 22-24th. Check out the latest information about the Hackathon on our website at or on our social media.
The experts that joined the episode:
Micaela Mantegna - Micaela is an activist and scholar, known for her extensive work and public advocacy on AI and XR ethics, video games, generative AI, creativity and copyright. Currently, she is a TED Fellow and an affiliate at the Berkman Klein Center at Harvard. She is also a member of the Chatham House AITask Force. She was part of the external red team that contributed to evaluate OpenAI’s DALL·E 2 Preview in 2022. In addition, she collaborated with the Argentinian government in drafting the AI ethics and regulation chapter of Argentina’s National AI Plan in 2019. After 6 years of research, she published her first book “ARTficial: creativity, artificial intelligence and copyright” in 2022.
Dr. Bikalpa Neupane - Bikalpa is the Head of AI and NLP at Takeda Pharmaceuticals, one of the largest R&D driven pharmaceuticals in the world. In his role, he manages distributed teams in US and Europe, and provides ‘AI-ML-NLP’ and ‘Experimentation as a service’ to several business units. He is from Nepal and he received his PhD degree in Informatics with focus on AI and ML discrimination from Penn State University. He teaches at several universities in areas of advanced data analytics, natural language processing and data mining.
Adil Islam - Adil is the Chief of Staff at Stability.ai, one of the leading companies behind the generative AI revolution. He also works on girls’ education in Pakistan, deploying AI applications for students at Karachi's largest public girls’ school. In the past, Adil led the product and business organization at Petuum, an MLOps startup.
6/23/2023 • 34 minutes, 35 seconds
Catching Up with the Oversight Board: Reporting on Content Moderation, Elections & Human Rights with Pamela San Martín [S4E13]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind! In this episode, Class 4 Fellow Lama Mohammed interviews Pamela San Martín, Board Member of the Oversight Board to discuss the success, lessons learned, and the cases filed from their latest Annual Report.
They dig into issues concerning content moderation, human rights, global elections, misinformation, and more hot-button topics mentioned in the report.
As a former lawyer and Electoral Councilor at the National Electoral Institute in Mexico, Pamela has dedicated her career to advancing human rights, freedom of expression, and democratic institutions, aiding her role as a consultant on elections, democracy, and human rights. You can learn more about Pamela by following her on Twitter.
Lama is a member of the 4th Class of Foundry Fellows. She currently works as a Senior Associate at the Glen Echo Group in Washington, DC — a communications and public relations firm specializing in tech policy. At the Glen Echo Group, Lama works on policy and communications within artificial intelligence, cybersecurity, and privacy.
Connect with Pamela (@SnMartinPamela) on Twitter or LinkedIn and view all the work the Oversight Board has done in the last year and plans to do in the next year by reading the Oversight Board report online.
Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
Resources Referenced:
Oversight Board 2022 Annual Report
Register to Vote (United States)
Election Dates & Deadlines (United States)
World Trends in Freedom of Expression and Media Development: Global Report 2017/2018
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6/15/2023 • 35 minutes, 19 seconds
Collaborating for a Secure, Stable Internet: A Conversation with ICANN’s Sally Costerton [S4E12]
Welcome back! In this episode, Joe Catapano, ILPF Class 4 fellow interviews Sally Costerton, Interim President & CEO of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). In addition to its core technical functions of coordinating the Internet’s unique identifiers, ICANN is one of the premier global multistakeholder policy making bodies that help govern the Internet.
As ICANN approaches its 77th Public Meeting in Washington, DC Joe and Sally discuss challenges to the multistakeholder model of Internet governance, hosting effective global hybrid meetings, Sally’s career path that led her to the world of tech policy, and much more.
After you listen, register for ICANN77 (virtual registration available only after June 7, 2023).
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6/8/2023 • 44 minutes, 24 seconds
Rethinking Multistakerholderism in Internet Governance with Ayden Férdeline [S4E11]
This week, Class 4 Fellow and Fellow Highlights series host Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Fellow Class 4 Fellow Ayden Férdeline.
Meri and Ayden chat about the multiple hats Ayden wears in the Internet Governance ecosystem, the Global Digital Compact, the roles of various stakeholders in this space and the avenues to create your own opportunities.
Ayden Férdeline is a Landecker Democracy Fellow with the support of the Alfred Landecker Foundation and Humanity in Action. He monitors the development of the UN Secretary-General’s proposed Global Digital Compact ahead of 2024’s Summit of the Future. Ayden was previously a rapporteur with the Forum on Information and Democracy. He also was a technology policy fellow with the Mozilla Foundation.
Resources mentioned in the episode:
“Influencing the Internet: Democratizing the Politics that Shape Internet Governance Norms and Standards” (National Democratic Institute, 2022)
Global Digital Compact
CircleID
The Register
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6/1/2023 • 39 minutes, 42 seconds
Gaming and Civil Rights with Albert Fox Cahn [S4E10]
Welcome back to the show! Reema's out this week - so our editor, Evan Enzer, subbed in for a conversation with Albert Fox Cahn of the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project (S.T.O.P.) on the intersections of speech, gaming and civil rights.
Evan and Albert talk about what they've been working on over the last few months. They begin with Albert's long career path from big law to public interest tech policy, why S.T.O.P. is interested in gaming and civil rights, and whether content moderation is an effective way to stop online harassment. Then, they discuss S.T.O.P.'s priority legislation in New York. They also talk about the Wheel of Time and how new professionals can get involved with S.T.O.P..
Resources:
Behind the Screen: Content Moderation in the Shadows of Social Media
by Sarah T. Roberts
Banned for Being (STOP's video game report)
STOP's board for new professionals
Volunteer with STOP
The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan
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5/25/2023 • 22 minutes, 31 seconds
AI Integrity with Talha Baig [S4E09]
Welcome back! This week, Reema sits down with Talha Baig, co-host of the Trust in Tech podcast and former AI Integrity engineer at Meta. Reema and Talha chat about developments in generative AI and how it affects trust and safety online and get into the weeds on how AI is applied in the integrity space - and the implications of AI on the integrity space itself.
Talha also describes how integrity engineers differ in function from other technical teams, and their relationship with the legal and policy world. They ponder the question: does trust and safety need a regulator? Then, they dig into the Trust in Tech podcast and what Talha is up to at the Integrity Institute.
Resources mentioned in the episode:
Trust in Tech Podcast
Ranking by Engagement: Tom Cunningham
How Streaming Hurt Hollywood Writers: The Daily
Mushtaq Khan on using institutional economics to predict effective government reforms: 80,000 Hours Podcast
Happy City: Transforming Our Lives Through Urban Design by Charles Montgomery
The Price of Peace: Money, Democracy, and the Life of John Maynard Keynes by Zachary D. Carter
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5/19/2023 • 40 minutes, 42 seconds
Connecting the Dots Backwards with Ellen Magallanes [S4E08]
This week Meri chatted with Class 4 Fellow Ellen Magallanes on her experience in privacy and at the Wikimedia Foundation.
Ellen is a dual-qualified US-Australian attorney and a Senior Counsel at the Wikimedia Foundation. Privacy law, like all the best rabbit holes, was something she fell into and never looked back. Now, Ellen furthers her interest in privacy with tech law advocacy in both of her homes: Australia and the US.
They dig into her move from Australia to the US, her work at Wikimedia, and the challenges and wonders of tech policy advocacy and product counseling. Then, Ellen reflects on her journey to her current role and highlights the importance of experimenting to discover one’s passion and interests. She also covers taking the CIPP/US exam from IAPP.
Find and connect with Ellen Magallanes on LinkedIn here!
Resources mentioned in the episode:
The Model Minority Myth in Tech [S3E05]
Weapons of Math Destruction by Cathy O’Neill
Dare to Lead by Brene Brown
Braving the Wilderness by Brene Brown
You’re Invited by Jon Levy
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DISCLAIMER: Meri engages with the Foundry voluntarily and in her personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on air are not reflective of the organizations Meri is affiliated with.
5/11/2023 • 33 minutes, 48 seconds
Finding the Tech Policy Community with Ashkhen Kazaryan [S4E07]
We are back with our next fellow highlight episode. Class 4 Fellow Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Ashkhen Kazaryan, a tech policy expert and a former Foundry Fellow.
Ashkhen manages policy projects related to free speech, content moderation, surveillance reform, and the intersection of constitutional rights and technology. Currently, she is a Senior Fellow at Stand Together on the Free Speech and Peace team. She leads the development and execution of Stand Together’s strategy to defend free speech online and to promote a culture of pluralism.
Prior to that, she was a Content Policy Manager on the Content Regulation team at Meta. She covered content policy for North and Latin America, as well as leading on policy for Section 230. Before joining Meta, she was the Director of Civil Liberties at TechFreedom where she managed coalition-building and hosted The Tech Policy Podcast. Ashkhen is regularly featured as an expert commentator in news outlets, including CNBC, BBC, FOX DC, Newsy, Politico, Axios, The Information, Protocol, The Washington Examiner, and others.
Meri and Ashkhen chat about how Ashkhen’s educational and cultural background impacted her journey into tech policy. They discuss the tech policy issues that are top of mind for Ashkhen. She also covers finding your path in the field of tech law and policy and the importance of building community.
You can connect with Ashkhen on LinkedIn and Twitter.
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Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
Additional Resources and Reading:
Podcasts:
The Tech Policy Podcast
Moderated Content
University Centers:
Stanford Internet Observatory
Berkeley Tech Policy Initiative
Yale Information Society Project
Harvard Berkman Klein Center
Cornell Tech Policy Institute
New York University Engelberg Center on Innovation Law and Policy
UC Boulder Silicon Flatirons
Georgetown Center on Privacy and Technology
Columbia University Knight First Amendment Institute
George Washington University Law School Ethical Tech Initiative
American University Center for Security, Innovation and New Technology
UPenn Center for Technology, Innovation & Competition
Think Tanks:
ACLU
Center for Democracy and Technology
Public Knowledge
New America Open Technology Institute
TechFreedom
R Street
Chamber of Progress
NetChoice
CCIA
Cases to read about:
Gonzalez v. Google
Twitter v. Taamneh
Netchoice CCIA v Moody
Netchoice CCCIA v Paxton
DISCLAIMER: Meri engages with the Foundry voluntarily and in her personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect on the organizations Meri is affiliated with.
4/27/2023 • 38 minutes, 39 seconds
Health Privacy 101 with Jordan Wrigley and Kirk Nahra [S4E06]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind! Today, class is in session for Health Privacy 101 with Jordan Wrigley and Kirk Nahra.
In May 2022, the leaked SCOTUS decision overturning Roe v. Wade shocked the nation. About a month later, the Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization case officially overturned the constitutional right to abortion. Last year, we talked with EFF’s Eva Galperin on the Tech Policy Grind about how technology could amplify surveillance on women’s reproductive health in a Post-Dobbs world. Around the same time, The Federal Trade Commission, the White House, civil society, industry, and lots of other stakeholders got to thinking - what is the role of digital privacy and security in protecting women from being prosecuted by their state or local governments for receiving life-saving care?
In this episode, we revisit that subject, under a broader lens. Reema sits down with Kirk Nahra, partner and co-chair of the privacy and cybersecurity practice at Wilmer Hale, a large international law firm, and Jordan Wrigley, a health privacy researcher at the Future of Privacy Forum, who is leading FPF’s Health Privacy Working Group. Kirk and Jordan are some of the leading health data privacy experts in the country. We get into what the American legal landscape looks like for health privacy, some of the FTC’s recent actions in this space, and more.
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Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
Additional Resources and Reading:
BetterHelp Enforcement Action Demonstrates FTC’s Continued Focus on Use and Disclosure of Health Information for Advertising
FTC Brings First of its Kind Enforcement Action against GoodRx for Violating the Health Breach Notification Rule
Top takeaways from the FTC-GoodRx case: A chat with Kirk Nahra
DISCLAIMER: Reema engages with the Foundry voluntarily and in her personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect the organizations that Reema is affiliated with.
4/20/2023 • 48 minutes, 46 seconds
The TPG North American Tour: the Foundry Takes ICANN76, WiCyS ’23, and IAPP’s Global Privacy Summit [S4E05]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind! In this episode, we hit the road once again for our North American tour of some major tech policy conferences. This time, we head to the ICANN76 Community Forum in Cancún, Mexico, the Women in Cybersecurity (WiCyS) 2023 Conference in Denver, Colorado, and the IAPP Global Privacy Summit in Washington DC.
The ICANN76 Community Forum is the 76th ICANN Meeting since ICANN's inception in 1998. Reema chats with Cindyneia Cantanhêde, a Brazilian data privacy attorney based in Sao Paulo, who was at the conference as an ICANN Fellow (along with Reema).
The WiCyS Conference brings together women in cybersecurity to dig into substantive, technical conversations on what's going on in the field. But it also is a space for women (who only represent 25% of the cybersecurity industry) and allies to connect and get inspired about retention and advancement in the field. Reema chats with Lynn Dohm, Executive Director of WiCyS about the conference's history and goals. Then, she talks to Anna Lainfiesta, Security Team Lead at Zendesk about her experience as a WiCyS conference first-timer. Anna is also the Secretary of the WiCyS Privacy, Law and Policy Affiliate.
Finally, Reema and Lama head to the Global Privacy Summit, where they led a session (along with Foundry Fellow Meri Baghdasaryan). Lama catches up with Leona Lewis, Senior Counsel, Privacy, Ethics and Compliance at Thrasio; Saleela Khanum Salahuddin, Attorney Advisor at Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board (PCLOB); and former Foundry Fellow Jacqueline Ahn, Senior Attorney of Data Privacy at IBM.
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Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
DISCLAIMER: Lama and Reema engage with the Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect the organizations Lama and Reema are affiliated with.
4/13/2023 • 40 minutes, 3 seconds
A DIY Tech Policy Major: Fellow Highlight with Lama Mohammed [S4E04]
Last season we started a tradition of featuring old and current Foundry Fellows in an episode spotlight. In this episode, we bring this tradition back with Class 4 Fellow Lama Mohammed kicking off the Foundry Fellows Highlight series for Season Four, covering her career path and DIY creation of a her own "tech policy major" at American University!
Class 4 Fellow and Tech Policy Grind host, editor and producer Reema Moussa sits down with Lama during the IAPP GPS Conference. You've heard her on the show before, but we get into her background. She spends her 9-5 as a Senior Associate at the Glen Echo Group. Glen Echo Group is a Washington, DC-based public affairs and public relations firm specializing in technology policy.
Reema chats with Lama about her journey, including how Lama embarked on her technology policy career pathway while at AU, her work for The Foundry and All Tech Is Human, her hopes for the future and more!
You can connect with Lama on LinkedIn. Check out the Foundry on Instagram, Twitter, or LinkedIn and subscribe to our newsletter!
If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at [email protected].
Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
Resources Referenced:
Capitol CoLAB
SPA Tech Policy Association
DISCLAIMER: Lama and Reema engage with the Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect the organizations Lama and Reema are affiliated with.
4/7/2023 • 24 minutes, 13 seconds
Welcome to Our New Foundry Fellows: the Next Generation of Tech Policy Professionals [S4E03]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry! In this episode, Class 4 Fellow Lama Mohammed chats with new Foundry Fellows Ekene Chuks-Okeke, an LLM student in the Law, Technology & Entrepreneurship program at Cornell Tech, and Lili Siri Spira, the Social Media and Campaign Marketing Manager for the TechEquity Collaborative — a nonprofit focusing on socioeconomic inequities in the tech industry.
They get into their backgrounds, induction to Foundry as new Foundry Fellows, experience at State of the Net and more!
You can connect with Ekene (@ipcybrmediagrl) and Lili (@lilisirispira) on Twitter or LinkedIn and view all the great work they will bring to the Foundry by following us on social media or subscribing to our newsletter.
Resources Referenced:
All Tech Is Human
Class Five State of the Net Recap
To learn more about the Foundry, check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry).
If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at [email protected].
Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
DISCLAIMER: Lama, Ekene and Lili engage with the Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions Lama, Ekene and Lili are affiliated, associated or work with.
3/30/2023 • 40 minutes, 55 seconds
Digital Safety and That Section 230 Thing – Conversations from State of the Net (Part 2) [S4E02]
We're back with Part 2 of our State of the Net series, and this week we're chatting kids privacy and what's going on with Section 230!
In this episode, Reema and Joe talk digital privacy and safety issues for children with Natalie Campbell (Internet Society). Then, Reema chats with Matt Perault (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill) and Yaël Eisenstat (Anti-Defamation League) on Section 230 and the current landscape of platform liability.
In case you missed last week, for the past (nearly) two decades, the State of the Net Conference has served as the convening point for tech policy professionals to chart a course forward for the tech policy decisions of the future. We were there to chat with tech policy experts on their takes on the latest digital issues of the day.
Section 230 shields platforms (like Google, Meta, and others) from liability for the unlawful content their users may post. Yaël and Matt dig into the recent oral arguments heard before the Supreme Court and legislative developments on changing 230.
To learn more about the Foundry, check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry).
If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at [email protected].
Disclaimer: Reema, Joe, and the Foundry Fellows engage with the Foundry in their personal capacities. Their views here aren't reflective of those of the organizations and institutions they're affiliated with.
3/23/2023 • 30 minutes, 7 seconds
What’s Going on with the Web? Conversations from State of the Net 2023 (Part 1) [S4E01]
We're back with new episodes every Thursday for Season 4 of the Tech Policy Grind! And if you couldn't tell, we're really excited about what's to come. To kick off the season, we hit the road and headed to the State of the Net Conference, where tech policy professionals have convened annually for nearly two decades to collectively look towards all that lies on the horizon in the wild world that is tech policy.
For Part 1 of our conversations at State of the Net, we sit down with Alan Davidson (NTIA), Bertram Lee Jr. (Future of Privacy Forum), and Patrick Lin (Latham & Watkins). Alan Davidson sits down with Reema to talk about NTIA's efforts to connect Americans to the web. Bertram Lee Jr. talks about the intersections of AI legislation and privacy principles. Rounding out this episode is a conversation with Patrick Lin, who digs into the fascinating issues emerging in copyright and digital rights around generative AI.
Make sure to tune in next week for Part 2 of our State of the Net conversations!
To learn more about the Foundry, check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry).
If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at [email protected].
Disclaimer: Reema and Lama engage with the Foundry in their personal capacities. Their views here aren't reflective of those of the organizations and institutions they're affiliated with.
3/16/2023 • 38 minutes, 40 seconds
Will the U.S. Ban TikTok? With Adam Kovacevich and Carl Szabo [S4E00]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. In this episode, Joe Catapano chats with Adam Kovacevich, Chamber of Progress and Carl Szabo, NetChoice on whether the U.S. can, will, or should ban TikTok. There are many options being discussed from an outright ban on the app, to divestiture and audits of TikTok’s algorithms.
Take a listen to hear from two of DC’s experts in tech policy on whether the U.S. can ban TikTok.
Note: We recorded this episode on January 12, 2023. It does not reflect any developments after that date.
You can connect with Adam on Twitter @adamkovac, and Carl @carlszabo. Visit https://progresschamber.org/ for more information on the Chamber of Progress and https://netchoice.org/ for more information on NetChoice.
Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for Season 4 this coming March!
Joe participates in the Internet Law & Policy Foundry in his personal capacity. Any commentary in this podcast is his alone and does not reflect the views of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers. ICANN is a technical organization and does not deal with matters related to content, apps, or anything outside of the Internet’s unique identifiers as outlined in its mission.
2/2/2023 • 51 minutes, 30 seconds
A Year in Review with the Tech Policy Grind [S3E30]
What a year it's been...in this episode, some familiar faces (or rather, voices) from the Tech Policy Grind team of Internet Law and Policy Foundry Class 4 Fellows come together to review the revival of the pod with Season 3 this year. We dive into the original history behind the podcast's conception, what the Foundry has been up to this year, and what we're looking forward to in 2023.
Also, we chat over some exciting changes coming to the Foundry Fellowship in 2023. If you're interested in joining the Foundry as a Fellow, make sure to check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry) for updates on when the 2023 Fellow Application will be released.
It's been a wild ride. Whether you've been tuning in since the beginning or just hopped on, we want to hear from you! Reach out to us at [email protected]. What are your thoughts on the show this season, and what are you hoping to see in Season 4?
That's right; we'll be back in 2023 with some exciting changes for Season 4 of your favorite tech policy podcast.
Signing off for now - have a happy new year everyone!
Much love,
Reema, Meri, Joe, Lama, and the whole Tech Policy Grind Team
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Disclaimer: The thoughts and opinions discussed in this episode do not reflect the views of the organizations and institutions that Reema, Meri, Joe, and Lama are affiliated with.
12/29/2022 • 1 hour, 7 minutes, 47 seconds
When Law and Computer Science Meet: Fellow Highlight with Nathan Reitinger [S3E29]
We're coming down to the end of Season 3 of the Tech Policy Grind! For our last Fellow Highlight of the season (and 2022), Reema chats with Class 4 Foundry Fellow Nathan Reitinger, PhD Candidate in Computer Science at the University of Maryland...and JD? Tune in to hear about Nathan's experience in applied privacy, and what a career at the nexus of law and computer science looks like.
Nathan is a lawyer and computer scientist. He holds a masters in computer science, security track, from Columbia University (advised by Steve Bellovin), a JD from Michigan State (licensed in New Hampshire), and is currently enrolled in a computer science PhD program at the University of Maryland (advised by Michelle Mazurek). Nathan's work focuses on where law and computer science meet, using tools from each of the respective disciplines to solve interesting problems. More specifically, he works in the area of applied privacy: It shouldn’t take a masters-level degree in computing to obtain privacy in today’s world, but it does---and we should fix that!
Check out Nathan's website here; https://nathanreitinger.umiacs.io/
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Article Mentioned: EU Commission Publishes Draft Adequacy Decision on Privacy Shield 2.0 [Goodwin Procter, Data + Privacy + Cybersecurity Insights Blog by Lore Leitner, Boris Segalis, Omer Tene, Gretchen Scott, Gabe Maldoff, Josephine Jay and Arjun Dhar].
12/22/2022 • 36 minutes, 35 seconds
Privacy Legislation in 2023: What’s Coming in the New Year? with Keir Lamont [S3E28]
2022 is nearly over, and it's been a wild year for privacy. In this episode, Reema sits down with Keir Lamont, Senior Counsel and U.S. Legislation Lead at the Future of Privacy Forum. Keir recaps what happened in the world of privacy legislation in 2022, and what the tech policy world can expect out of privacy legislation in the New Year.
Keir Lamont, CIPP/US, is a Senior Counsel with the Future of Privacy Forum’s U.S. legislation team. In this role, he supports policymaker education and independent analysis concerning federal, state, and local consumer privacy laws and regulations. Previously, Keir held positions at CCIA and the Program on Data and Governance at Ohio State University. He holds a J.D. from Georgetown University Law Center and a B.A. in Political Science & Economics from the University of Florida. Follow him on Twitter @keir_lamont.
Check out Keir’s latest blog post, “Five Big Questions (and Zero Predictions) for the U.S. State Privacy Landscape in 2023” on the FPF website.
If you would like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: [email protected]
If you’d like to support the show, please donate to the Foundry here.
Thanks for listening!
12/15/2022 • 44 minutes, 29 seconds
Implementing the Rules of the Network Road: A Conversation with NANOG Executive Director Edward McNair [S3E27]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. In this episode, Joe Catapano, ILPF Class 4 Fellow interviews Edward McNair, Executive Director of the North America Network Operators Group (NANOG). We all know the role that lawyers and government officials play in contributing to tech policy, but how do the people that “make it work” (e.g. network operators, software engineers) help develop the rules of the road?
NANOG is just one of many organizations that bring technical expertise to the table, whether it’s feeding into formal policymaking processes at global multi-stakeholder bodies, or raising awareness with lawmakers. Hear how NANOG works to represent the needs and views of the Internet’s technical communities.
Edward McNair is the Executive Director of NANOG. He is also the co-founder of Kaskadian, an agency that provides branding, marketing and sales support for startups and new businesses. Prior to Kaskadian, Edward served as Chief Executive Officer for Verilan, an IT company that delivered just-in-time, enterprise-quality networks. Previously, he was Vice President of Internet Marketing for R2C, a leading direct marketing agency, and was Creative Director for the WiMAX Forum, a global Internet and telecom consortium. You can read Edward’s full bio on the NANOG website.
Coming soon from the Foundry: keep an eye out for the next round of applications to become a Foundry Fellow!
If you'd like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: [email protected]
If you'd like to support the show, consider donating to the Foundry; you can do so here.
12/8/2022 • 38 minutes, 29 seconds
Privacy, Antitrust, and Algorithmic Bias; Working at the Intersections with Caitlin Chin [S3E26]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind! Today, Reema chats with Caitlin Chin, a Class 4 Fellow at the Foundry and a a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), on her work at the intersection of privacy, antitrust, and algorithmic bias.
At CSIS, Caitlin researches technology regulation in the United States and abroad. She previously worked as a research analyst at the Brookings Institution, where her projects centered around U.S. federal and state legislation related to information privacy, antitrust, and algorithmic bias. At Brookings, Chin coauthored "Bridging the gaps: A path forward to federal privacy legislation" (with Cameron Kerry, John Morris Jr., and Nicol Turner Lee), which put forward a comprehensive framework for national commercial privacy standards in the United States.
In addition, she has published over two dozen other reports or commentaries on public policy issues including "Addressing Big Tech's power over speech" (with Bill Baer) and "Why Democrats and Republicans would benefit from hate crime protections for Asian Americans."
She's also spoken on C-SPAN, WOSU/NPR, and France 24, and her work has been cited by the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, and the Future of Privacy Forum, among other organizations. She has a BA in government and Spanish from the University of Maryland and an MPP from Georgetown University's McCourt School of Public Policy.
Her master's thesis, "Examining national privacy laws in the context of international trade," won a student paper award at the 48th Research Conference on Communications, Information, and Internet Policy (TPRC48) in 2020. She was also a recipient of Public Knowledge's 20/20 Visionaries award in 2021.
Coming soon from the Foundry: keep an eye out for the next round of applications to become a Foundry Fellow!
If you'd like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: [email protected]
If you'd like to support the show, consider donating to the Foundry; you can do so here.
12/1/2022 • 27 minutes, 42 seconds
A Word with Our 2022 Policy Hackathon Winners [S3E25]
In this episode, Foundry Fellow Meri Baghdasaryan sat down with the representatives of three winning teams at the Foundry’s 2022 Policy Hackathon. This year the Hackathon’s theme was “Trust, Safety and Privacy in the Metaverse.” The participants were tasked with pitching a proposal to address some of privacy, trust, and safety challenges in immersive technology.
Meri chats with Mana, Raktima and Tom, who respectively represent teams at the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place among the 2022 Policy Hackathon winners. They share their impressions about the Hackathon experience, present their policy proposals and provide advice for participants of next Hackathon editions.
Check out the presentations of the winning teams below:
Mana’s team (Video Presentation)
Raktima’s team (Video Presentation)
Tom’s team (Video Presentation)
Stay tuned for more info on how you can enter the 2023 Policy Hackathon from the ILP Foundry.
Coming soon from the Foundry: keep an eye out for the next round of applications to become a Foundry Fellow!
If you’d like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: [email protected]
Foundry Job Board: ilpfoundry.us/jobs
If you’d like to support the show, consider donating to the Foundry; you can do so here.
11/17/2022 • 45 minutes, 39 seconds
Cybersecurity Risk Mitigation and Prevention: A Very Merry CYBER CON Recap [S3E24]
Missed our exciting CYBER CON event with the WiCyS Privacy, Law, and Policy Affiliate? The Tech Policy Grind has you covered.
Foundry Fellows Reema Moussa, Allyson McReynolds, Grant Versfeld & Lama Mohammed discuss highlights from the Foundry's first ever virtual cybersecurity convention, starring Amie D'Souza, Josephine Wolff, Kassi Burns, Eva Galperin and Siena Anstis. They chat about the event's key theme; cybersecurity risk mitigation in law and policy, as well as particular practices around cyber insurance, cyber hygiene for lawyers, and spyware. The Fellows talk through why cyber policy matters and key takeaways from the event.
This episode includes snapshots from the event, but you can watch the entire CYBER CON event! Check out the full recording of the CYBER CON Summit here.
Coming soon from the Foundry: keep an eye out for the next round of applications to become a Foundry Fellow!
If you'd like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: [email protected]
If you'd like to support the show (and CYBER CON in the future), consider donating to the Foundry; you can do so here.
Resources Mentioned:
Scraping Suit Hinges On When LinkedIn Discovered Violations [Law360]
Thanks for listening, and see you next time!
11/10/2022 • 36 minutes, 43 seconds
Pathfinding in Privacy Law: a Data Protection Officer’s Story with Lena Ghamrawi [S3E23]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind! This week, Reema chats with former Foundry Fellow Lena Ghamrawi on her pathway to becoming a privacy attorney. In this episode, she shares her experience growing up in the post-9/11 surveillance environment and how her passion for civil rights (and mentorship along the way) cultivated an interest in privacy law.
A little more about Lena: she's a privacy lawyer dedicated to ensuring consumer personal data is used responsibly. Lena currently serves as Privacy Counsel and Data Protection Officer for Quora Inc., where she advises on global privacy laws. She has helped Silicon Valley tech companies, federal agencies, and Fortune 500 companies develop privacy programs.
In 2020 she helped launch a watchdog dedicated to investigating mobile app privacy practices. There, she worked with regulatory agencies, big tech platforms, and members of Congress to remedy malpractice. Lena founded the Washington DC Women in Security and Privacy (WISP) affiliate and is always looking for ways to provide mentorship.
Coming soon from the Foundry: keep an eye out for the next round of applications to become a Foundry Fellow!
If you'd like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: [email protected]
If you'd like to support the show, consider donating to the Foundry; you can do so here.
11/3/2022 • 40 minutes, 45 seconds
Perils of Prescriptive Policy: a Technologist’s View with Jeremy Avnet [S3E22]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. In this episode, Reema and Lama talk over some big lawsuits of the week before Class 4 Fellow Rebecca Kilberg dives deep with technologist Jeremy Avnet, former Director of Infrastructure Engineering at TrussWorks. They chat about the role of engineers and tech-minded folks in developing tech policy and the pitfalls of prescriptive policy.
How should tech policy guide engineers developing software? What is useful to specify and what yields unintended consequences? Our experts discuss the difficulties of encountering prescriptive policy that mandates a rigid solution in a changing landscape. They explore the difficulties of developing software that adheres to federal guidelines even when all parties are aligned. Finally, they examine the specific example of DNS security over the last 15 years as a case study.
Also, coming up: the Foundry and Women in Cybersecurity (WiCyS) Privacy, Policy & Law Affiliate are pleased to present CYBER CON, a virtual cybersecurity convention. Join us in celebration of Cybersecurity Awareness Month! CYBER CON will take on Friday, October 28 starting at 11AM ET / 8AM PT and run until 2:30PM ET / 11:30AM PT. Register here!
If you would like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: [email protected]
Further, if you’d like to support the show, please donate to the Foundry.
Thanks for listening!
10/27/2022 • 39 minutes, 27 seconds
Beyond Bitcoin: What is Web3, Anyways? [S3E21]
In this episode, Foundry Fellow, Dyllan Brown-Bramble sits down with Gabrielle Hibbert and Hillary Brill. They discuss the work of the Decentralized Future Council, the future of Web3 law and policy, and why early-career professionals should get up to speed on it.
Gabrielle Hibbert is the security and privacy fellow for the Decentralized Future Council. Gabrielle started her career in public policy after working across both Capitol Hill and various non-profit and consultant agencies across the DMV. In 2018, she began researching blockchain and programming smart contracts after learning about decentralized ledger technologies (DLT).
In 2020, she co-lead the College of William & Mary’s Blockchain Lab, under the direction of the primary investigator and co-founder, Troy Wiipongwii. She is currently the Government and Policy Officer at Least Authority, a security consulting firm based in Berlin, Germany. She earned her M.A. in management and policy at Brandeis University. Her B.A. is in international relations from the College of William & Mary.
For more than 25 years, HTB Strategies Founder Hillary Brill has been innovating and teaching in all aspects of policy. Further, as communications and technology counsel with Covington & Burlington, Brill drafted one of the first primers on Internet Policy. Pursuing her desire to be closer to policymaking, Brill left legal practice to work with technology leader Congressman Rick Boucher.
For the past seven years, she's shared her unique perspective and policymaking experience with the next generation of technology leaders. She's also a Professor at Georgetown law, her alma mater, where she developed a curriculum about practicing policy at the intersection of technology and legislation. Brill is also a Practitioner-in-Residence at American University Washington College of Law focusing on technology and intellectual property issues.
Also coming up: The Foundry and Women in Cybersecurity (WiCyS) Privacy, Policy & Law Affiliate are pleased to present CYBER CON. Join us for this virtual cyber convention in celebration of Cybersecurity Awareness Month! CYBER CON will be on Friday, October 28 starting at 11AM ET and run until 2:30PM ET. Register here!
If you would like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: [email protected]
If you’d like to support the show, please donate to the Foundry.
Thanks for listening, and see you next time!
10/20/2022 • 1 hour, 5 minutes, 34 seconds
Building a Career in Cybersecurity Public Service with Patrick Kyhos [S3E20]
Another day, another Fellow Highlight! This time we step back to chat with former Class 2 President and Foundry Fellow Patrick Kyhos, Deputy Chief of Cyber Policy at the FBI. Reema and Patrick chat about his career in cybersecurity public service, his lifelong commitment to Washington DC, and the evolution of the Foundry.
Patrick is an attorney for the Federal Government, specialized in cybersecurity, privacy, and emerging technology. His team devises solutions for investigation and operational technology issues including data protection, supply chain risk mitigation, international cyber incident response, artificial intelligence implementation, and digital asset payment protections.
Prior to joining the FBI, Patrick began his service in civil litigation on cases pertaining to national security and technology. He graduated from the University of Maryland School of Law in 2014. He is currently pursuing an LL.M. in Technology Law at Georgetown University.
They also chat about the Foundry’s Policy Hackathon. This year’s theme is “Into the Metaverse,” and the Hackathon will run from October 14th – 16th.
While applications to participate in this year’s Hackathon are closed, the Foundry is accepting entries for a writing competition on the Metaverse from students and recent graduates until October 13th. You can find more information about the writing competition on our website, ilpfoundry.us.
Also coming up: The Foundry and Women in Cybersecurity (WiCyS) Privacy, Policy & Law Affiliate are pleased to present CYBER CON. Join us for this virtual cybersecurity convention in celebration of Cybersecurity Awareness Month! CYBER CON will take on Friday, October 28 starting at 11AM ET and run until 2:30PM ET. Register here!
If you would like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: [email protected]
If you’d like to support the show, please donate to the Foundry.
Resources mentioned:
DC Fintech Week
10/13/2022 • 26 minutes, 24 seconds
Trust and Safety in the Metaverse [S3E19]
Foundry Fellows Lama Mohammed and Anuradha Herur discussed implementing trust and safety standards in the Metaverse with Jodi Masters-Gonzales, the Founder and Chief Futurist of Humble Science, a ForHumanity Fellow and a ForHumanity Certified Auditor; Nina Jane Patel, the Co-Founder and Vice President of Metaverse Research at Kabuni; and Kristina Podnar, the Global Digital Policy Advisor at the XR Safety Initiative (XRSI).
Tune in to hear their discussion about how policymakers, technologists and advocates can create safe virtual environments.
Resources discussed:
XRSI’s Metaverse Safety Week
Kabuni — a safe Metaverse for kids
ForHumanity — reducing the risk of AI and emerging technologies
We recorded this podcast live as the last webinar in our series leading up to the Foundry’s Policy Hackathon. This year's theme is "Into the Metaverse," and the Hackathon will run from October 14th - 16th.
While applications to participate in this year’s Hackathon are closed, the Foundry is accepting entries for a writing competition on the Metaverse from students and recent graduates until October 16th. You can find more information about the writing competition on our website.
If you would like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: [email protected]
If you’d like to support the show, please donate to the Foundry.
You can also watch a video version of the discussion.
10/6/2022 • 54 minutes, 58 seconds
Different Perspectives on the Metaverse [S3E18]
"Different Perspectives on the Metaverse," hosted by Internet Law & Policy Foundry Class Four Fellow Ashwini Natesan, brings together TerraZero Technologies Inc.'s Ryan Kieffer, Open Voice Network's Michael Novak, VR Networking's Roberto DaCosta and Hoth Intelligence's Sanjit Singh for a conversation on different perspectives on the Metaverse from a variety of stakeholders.
The Metaverse is a hot-button discussion across disciplines. As these technologies enter the mainstream, the possibilities for use seem endless. Listen in to learn more about the Metaverse from the perspectives of people who interact with it in a variety of ways!
This event is the fourth live webinar in a series of events related to the Metaverse leading up to our third annual Policy Hackathon. The Hackathon will be held this October 14-16th. Also, ILPF is hosting a writing competition for students and new graduates with prizes up to $1,500. For more information about the Hackathon and writing competition check out our website here. You can watch the full recording of this discussion here.
To learn more about the Foundry, check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry).
If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at [email protected].
Thanks for listening, and see you next time!
9/29/2022 • 1 hour, 8 minutes, 17 seconds
Privacy in the Metaverse with Libby Weingarten, Katitza Rodriguez, and Sasha Danielyan [S3E17]
Foundry Fellows Meri Baghdasaryan and Reema Moussa chat privacy in the Metaverse with Sasha Danielyan, Associate Product Counsel, Niantic, Katitza Rodriguez, Policy Director for Global Privacy, Electronic Frontier Foundation, and Libby J. Weingarten, Privacy and Cybersecurity Partner, Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati. Tune in to hear their discussion about the risks, challenges, and opportunities of a privacy-protective future in the metaverse.
Resources discussed:
Katitza Rodriguez, Kurt Opsahl, Rory Mir, and Daniel Leufer, Virtual Worlds, Real People: Human Rights in the Metaverse, Electronic Frontier Foundation Deeplinks Blog (Dec. 9, 2021).
This podcast was recorded as a live webinar, the second in a series of events in anticipation of ILPF's 3rd annual Policy Hackathon. The Hackathon will take place virtually from October 14-16th with the theme "Into the Metaverse." Applications to participate in this year’s hackathon are open and will be until September 23rd. In addition, the Foundry is holding a student/recent graduation writing competition which is accepting entries until September 16th. You can find more information about the hackathon and writing competition on our website at www.ilpfoundry.us.
If you would like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch: [email protected]
If you’d like to support the show, please donate to the Foundry here.
Watch the video version of the discussion here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QzzWg8b9X8.
Thanks for listening, and see you next time!
9/15/2022 • 1 hour, 3 minutes, 18 seconds
Metaverse 101 with Joel Scharlat, Calli Schroeder, and Chris Riley [S3E16]
Foundry Fellow Dyllan Brown-Bramble chats with Joel Scharlat, Director of Operations for the Cyber Bytes Foundation and Co-Founder of XR Village, Calli Schroeder, Global Privacy Counsel at EPIC, and Chris Riley, Senior Fellow at R Street, about the who, what, when, where and why of the Metaverse.
The conversation panel discussed what the Metaverse is, what it looks like, its future, and their thoughts on the pros and cons of AR/VR/XR technology.
Resources discussed:
- The Metaverse Could Change The World, If We Could Stop Getting In Its Way - Chris Riley
Extended Privacy for Extended Reality: XR Technology Has 99 Problems and Privacy is Several of Them - Calli Schroeder and Suchismita Oahi
This webinar was the first in a series of events we are having ahead of our 3rd annual Policy Hackathon. The Hackathon will take place virtually from October 14-16th with the theme "Into the Metaverse." Applications to participate in this year’s hackathon are open and will be until September 23rd. In addition, the Foundry is holding a student/recent graduation writing competition which is accepting entries until September 16th. You can find more information about the hackathon and writing competition on our website at www.ilpfoundry.us.
If you would like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch: [email protected]
If you’d like to support the show, please donate to the Foundry here.
Watch the video version of the discussion here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3111&v=qSlKdBQj8I4
9/8/2022 • 1 hour, 5 minutes, 50 seconds
American Privacy: What’s Next for the ADPPA with Sophia Baik [S3E15]
Episode 15 features Class 4 Fellow Lama Mohammed in conversation with Sophia Baik, a Postdoctoral Researcher at the Center for Long-Term Cybersecurity and incoming Assistant Professor at the Department of Communication Studies at the University of San Diego. They discuss the future of the American Data Protection and Privacy Act (ADPPA) — the United States’ most comprehensive federal privacy legislation to date — and break down the bill, highlighting its significance and the future of the bill when Congress comes back from the August recess.
Much of the world is responding to the growing ubiquitous nature of technology through its enactment of comprehensive privacy bills. Meanwhile, the US has thus far failed to pass federal privacy legislation. Sophia dives into why the ADPPA is such a monumental bill, especially as it relates to protecting civil rights and liberties in the digital era.
Currently, the bill is at risk of failing to pass to the House. Even still, Sophia discusses how to protect our online data and digital identities.
You can connect with Sophia on Twitter (@jeeyunbaik) and read all her amazing published research on her Google Scholar profile.
To learn more about the Foundry, check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry).
If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at [email protected].
Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
9/1/2022 • 52 minutes, 8 seconds
The Tech Policy Grind Goes to Hacker Summer Camp [S3E14]
The Tech Policy Grind hits the road once more: this time, to head to Hacker Summer Camp! In this episode, Reema and ILPF Class 4 Director of Operations, Grant Versfeld head to some of the world's largest cybersecurity conferences: RSA Conference and DEFCON. Tune in to hear them chat with attendees on what's going on in the world of cybersecurity.
So what is hacker summer camp, anyways? Every August, hackers from all over the world convene in Las Vegas for a series of cybersecurity conferences, dubbed "hacker summer camp." DEFCON is one of these conferences, bringing together thousands of technical and policy experts to discuss new developments in cybersecurity.
Our interviewees include policy experts at DC-based think-tanks, newcomers to the cybersecurity space, and cybersecurity researchers entering the legal profession. Below are the names and affiliations of this episode’s guests:
Weijia Yan - Student, Carnegie Mellon University
Emma - Law Student and Technical Security Engineer
Safa Shahwan Edwards - Deputy Director, Atlantic Council Cyber Statecraft Initiative
Mike Sexton - Senior Policy Advisor for Cyber, Third Way National Security Program
A little more about Grant: he's a US-based security engineer focusing on threat analysis and incident response. He currently works in a technical capacity for a major tech company and previously received his B.S. in Computer Science from Tufts University. Grant also volunteers with an organization that provides security and privacy services to survivors of intimate partner violence.
To learn more about the Foundry, check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry).
If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at [email protected].
Note: All participants in this podcast episode joined in personal capacities. Their questions and comments do not necessarily represent the views of their affiliated organization(s).
8/27/2022 • 22 minutes, 3 seconds
The Internet Past, Present, and Future: A Conversation with its Pioneers, Vint Cerf and Steve Crocker [S3E13]
The Tech Policy Grind hits the road! Reema and Joe head to Washington DC for a live and in-person conversation with Internet pioneers Vint Cerf and Steve Crocker. We chat about the evolution of the Internet from its original inception. The Internet's future in light of the innovation that has followed since. And so, so much more.
Check out the full recording of the event here.
To learn more about the Foundry, check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry).
If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at [email protected].
Since the creation of the Internet, it has become an integral part of society, making it nearly impossible to connect, learn and work without it. However, challenges surrounding security, privacy, and misinformation shape a growing concern about its future.
For this episode of the Tech Policy Grind, we hit the road and headed to Washington DC for our first-ever live-streamed and in-person episode with Internet pioneers Drs. Vint Cerf and Steve Crocker to discuss the Internet's evolution, from its original inception to its future.
Tune in to hear the Vint and Steve discuss the beginnings of their friendship and collaboration in cultivating the ARPANET and Internet, their outlook on the its contemporary challenges, and their insights on topics such as Zero Trust, misinformation, accessibility, and more.
Watch the full video version of the live show here:
8/18/2022 • 1 hour, 6 minutes, 27 seconds
Navigating the World of Global Internet Governance with Joe Catapano [S3E12]
We are excited to continue our Fellow Highlights series on the Tech Policy Grind! In this episode, Reema catches up with ILPF Class 4 Communications Director, Joe Catapano, on his career in global Internet governance and the complex, yet fascinating, world of multi-stakeholder policymaking. Joe and Reema also discuss the what it’s like balancing parenthood and the demanding schedule of someone working in tech policy, and look ahead to their exciting live podcast event with Internet pioneers Vint Cerf and Steve Crocker. Joe is a Washington, DC-based outreach and engagement professional with expertise in strategic communications, marketing, and policy and advocacy. He currently works on a host of tech policy issues related to the Domain Name System in his role at the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) and has more than 15 years of experience in communications for the nonprofit and private sectors, particularly in global internet governance. Joe received his M.A. in Political Science from American University in Washington, DC and his B.A. in Communications from Quinnipiac University.
Note: Joe's participation in this podcast is in his personal capacity; his questions and comments do not represent the views of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). You can find Joe on LinkedIn and Twitter. Resources Mentioned and Additional Resources:ICANN’s Government Engagement Publications: https://www.icann.org/en/government-engagement/publications
ICANN’s Office of the CTO Publications:https://www.icann.org/octo/publications
Publications from Prof. Laura DeNardis (Georgetown University): https://www.lauradenardis.com/books
A Conversation with Internet Pioneers Vint Cerf and Steve Crocker (hybrid)https://www.eventbrite.com/e/vint-cerf-steve-crocker-a-conversation-with-internet-pioneers-tickets-395484714427?aff=ebdssbdestsearch
To learn more about the Foundry, check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry).
If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at [email protected].
8/11/2022 • 42 minutes, 5 seconds
Youth and Participation in Internet Governance: An IGF USA Recap [S3E11]
In this episode Foundry Fellow Meri Baghdasaryan discusses all things Internet Governance with Dustin Loup and Jeremy Bernick. They cover the origins of the Internet Governance Forum, how it started in the US, current issue areas, as well as the inaugural Youth IGF USA.
Dustin Loup is the Co-Chair of the IGF-USA, a role he has held for the past five years. He also leads other Internet related programs including the National Broadband Mapping Coalition and the Washington DC Chapter of the Internet Society. In addition, his work centers around supporting community-driven efforts for digital equity planning and coordination.
Jeremy Bernick (they/them) is an incoming first-year law student (Juris Doctorate) at the University of Arizona, School of Law. They are a current Quantum Society Fellow at the National Science Foundation’s Center for Quantum Networks, and an ICANN Fellow. In addition, Jeremy is a former Global Youth Ambassador at the Internet Society, a Fellow at ARIN, and the former Executive Director of Hack Arizona, previously one of the largest international collegiate hackathons in the U.S. They are a public interest-minded legal technologist interested in the implementation and quality of digital public goods and rights.
Here are the resources mentioned in the episode:
IGF USA
IGF USA 2022 recordings
Youth IGF USA
Youth IGF USA 2022 recordings
If you would like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: [email protected]
If you’d like to support the show, please donate to the Foundry here.
8/4/2022 • 54 minutes, 12 seconds
Free Expression at Meta: Inside the Oversight Board with Julie Owono [S3E10]
In this episode, Class 4 Fellow Meri Baghdasaryan chats with Julie Owono, who is one of the inaugural members of the Facebook Oversight Board, the Executive Director of the Content Policy & Society Lab (CPSL) and a fellow of the Program on Democracy and the Internet (PDI) at Stanford University. She is also the Executive Director of digital rights organization Internet Sans Frontières. In addition, Julie is an affiliate at the Berkman Klein Center at Harvard University. She holds a Master’s degree in International Law from la Sorbonne University in Paris. You can read Julie’s full bio here.
Meri and Julie unpack the Oversight Board’s operations, from how a user can apply to the Board and how the cases are selected, to issuing recommendations and decisions. They discuss some of OB's most interesting cases and decisions, including the Depiction of Zwarte Piet decision, Ocalan’s Isolation decision, Pro-Navalny protests decision, Nazi quote decision and the upcoming policy advisory opinion on Facebook’s cross-check system.
They also dig into the Oversight Board's future plans, including their work on the Metaverse and their expanding geographic reach. Further, thy get into the implementation of the decisions and recommendations.
Check out the Oversight Board’s First Annual Report here.
If you would like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch: [email protected]
If you’d like to support the show, please donate to the Foundry here.
7/28/2022 • 48 minutes, 28 seconds
Practice Makes Preparation: Exploring Cyber War Games with Rikki George [S3E09]
We are excited to continue our Fellow Highlights series on the Tech Policy Grind! In this episode, Reema catches up with ILPF Class 4 President, Rikki George, on how her career started with investigating intellectual property infringements and has led her to overseeing a cyber war games program. Rikki and Reema also discuss the Foundry, its upcoming events, writing competition, and annual Hackathon.
Rikki is a Chicago-based cybersecurity practitioner with expertise in online brand protection, cyber war games, cyber threat intelligence and incident response preparedness. Her work often addresses advanced persistent cyberthreats (APTs), emerging cyberattack vectors and systemic risks to critical infrastructure. Outside of work, Rikki is a member of Women in Cybersecurity (WiCyS) and the Internet Society, as well as a mentor for the Global Cybersecurity Mentorship and Rainier Scholars (of which she is an alum). She will begin her Master of Science in Cybersecurity at Brown University this Fall and was recently named as a finalist for the 2022 Women in IT Awards USA in two categories – Next Generation Leader and Security Leader.
You can find Rikki on LinkedIn and Twitter .
Learn about how to participate in the Foundry's inaugural Policy Writing Competition here.
Resources Mentioned and Additional Resources:
Darknet Diaries – https://darknetdiaries.com/; https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/
Lawfare – https://www.lawfareblog.com/; https://www.lawfareblog.com/topic/lawfare-podcast
CYBER (Vice) – https://www.vice.com/en/topic/cyber ; https://www.vice.com/en/topic/cyber-podcast
This Is How They Tell Me the World Ends: The Cyberweapons Arms Race by Nicole Perloth - https://www.amazon.com/This-They-Tell-World-Ends/dp/1635576059
Putin’s World by Angela Stent – https://www.amazon.com/Putins-World-Russia-Against-West/dp/1455533025
To learn more about the Foundry, check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry).
If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at [email protected].
7/21/2022 • 27 minutes, 37 seconds
Re-Imagining Privacy in a Post-Roe World with Eva Galperin [S3E08]
What does privacy Post-Roe look like?
Technology and healthcare have become increasingly intertwined as our society has become more digitized. But as innovations in technology catapult forward, access to basic reproductive rights is threatened. Most notably as of late, by the overturning of the constitutional protections established in the landmark decision of Roe v. Wade by the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision.
How will the current state of digital liberties affect those who can become pregnant, and how will the decision affect the status of privacy laws going forward? Further, how does the current landscape of surveillance and privacy impact the enforcement of state “trigger laws” emerging from the decision, and other rights in danger of being restricted in the future?
Foundry Fellow and TPG Host Reema Moussa sits down with Eva Galperin of the Electronic Frontier Foundation to explore these questions. They dig into privacy post-Roe and cover the current landscape of surveillance technology as it affects those who can become pregnant.
Eva’s work primarily focuses on providing privacy and security for vulnerable populations around the world. More recently, she has worked on addressing the digital privacy and security needs of survivors of domestic abuse. She is also a co-founder of the Coalition Against Stalkerware, and has been an outspoken voice on digital privacy and security issues surrounding reproductive rights.
You can check out Eva’s full bio here and her Twitter here.
Resources Mentioned and Additional Resources:
Consumer Reports: Report on VPN Vendor Recommendations by Yael Grauer
EFF: Digital Security and Privacy Tips for Those Involved in Abortion Access
EFF: SafeGraph’s Disingenuous Claims About Location Data Mask a Dangerous Industry
To learn more about the Foundry, check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry).
If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at [email protected].
7/7/2022 • 36 minutes, 56 seconds
Fellow Highlights: A Career in Digital Human Rights with Meri Baghdasaryan [S3E07]
We are excited to launch a new series within the Tech Policy Grind - Fellow Highlights! In this episode, Reema chats with Fellow Meri Baghdasaryan on her career journey into tech law and policy at the intersection of digital human rights, free speech, and surveillance.
Meri is an international lawyer from Armenia, and has extensive experience in international human rights litigation, research and consulting. For the last six years, she has been engaged in Internet governance initiatives and communities, working on digital human rights, content moderation, intermediary liability and privacy issues. Currently, Meri is a Legal Fellow at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and a Steering Committee member of the Internet Rights and Principles Coalition.
You can reach out to Meri on Linkedin, Twitter or via email at [email protected].
Check out the list of resources discussed in this episode:
IGF Youth Ambassadors Program
ICANN NextGen
CS for Lawyers
Internet Rights and Principles Coalition
Legal Mentor Network
Check out the blogpost mentioned in the discussion here:
Speech-related Offenses Should be Excluded from the Proposed UN Cybercrime Treaty, EFF Deeplinks Blog (Meri Baghdasaryan, Katitza Rodriguez, David Greene and Karen Gullo).
To learn more about the Foundry, check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry). If you would like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch: [email protected]
If you’d like to support the show, please donate to the Foundry here.
6/23/2022 • 34 minutes, 53 seconds
The Future of Open Access and Creative Commons with CEO Catherine Stihler [S3E06]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. In this episode, Class 4 Fellow Emine Ozge Yildirim interviews Catherine Stihler, the CEO of Creative Commons.
We dive deep into the evolution of Creative Commons over 20 years, CC’s role as an organization, and the how and why of its mission to facilitate better sharing online. Further, we hear from Catherine on CC's 20th year anniversary and what direction the organization is moving towards under her leadership. So, tune in for this discussion on some of the crucial yet controversial questions surrounding the open knowledge community and access to knowledge and culture.
Check out the resources mentioned in the episode here:
Creative Commons Network: https://network.creativecommons.org/get-involved/
Copyright Platform: https://network.creativecommons.org/cc-copyright-platform-activity-fund/
Open GLAM Platform: https://network.creativecommons.org/cc-openglam-platform/
Open Education Platform: https://network.creativecommons.org/cc-open-education-platform/
CC Chapters: https://network.creativecommons.org/chapter/ Blog: https://creativecommons.org/blog/
CC Open Minds Podcast: https://anchor.fm/creativecommons
If you would like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch: [email protected]
Furthermore, if you'd like to support the show, please donate to the Foundry here.
Finally, this episode's transcript can be downloaded by clicking the "Download Transcript" link below the play button on this show's episode page on the ILPF website, which you can find here: https://www.ilpfoundry.us/podcast/the-future-of-open-access-and-creative-commons-episode-6/
6/9/2022 • 49 minutes, 41 seconds
The Model Minority Myth in Tech [S3E05]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. In this episode, Class 4 Fellow Ellen Magallanes interviews Carmen Lo, Associate at White & Case and Mike Pham, Product Manager at the Wikimedia Foundation.
Episode five goes into deep and personal territory. As Asian Americans, what does the model minority myth mean to us in tech? What does “Asian American” even mean? What are some commonalities that unite Asian Americans, particularly in their experience of systemic racism, and what is the danger that lurks behind viewing the AAPI community as a monolith? Join Carmen, Mike and Ellen as we embark on a journey to scratch at the surface of these tough questions and stick around for advice gleaned from working deep in the trenches on how to make diversity better at your workplace.
To learn more about this topic, consider these resources:
A good starting point is the open source Guide to Allyship by Amélie Lamont.
This in-depth study by IBM about Asian American Inclusion in the Workplace.
2018 Pew Research study showing that income inequality is rapidly rising among Asian Americans.
William Peterson, “Success Story, Japanese American Style,” New York Times Magazine, January 9, 1966.
Ascend Pan-Asian Leaders study in 2015, The Illusion of Asian Success.
Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
Images/Disclaimers: Mike’s anonymous pangolin thumbnail above is attributable as follows:
Description:
Esperanto: Maniso
Date:
17 May 2021
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Caro Asercion
The opinions expressed in this podcast are of each individual and do not reflect the companies/organizations they work for.
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5/26/2022 • 1 hour, 5 minutes, 17 seconds
Internet Fragility: Creating a More Inclusive Internet with Nick Merrill [S3E04]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. In this episode, Class 4 Fellow Lama Mohammed chats with Nick Merrill on internet fragility and structure. Nick is a Research Fellow at UC Berkeley's Center for Long-Term Cybersecurity and Director of the Daylight Security Research Lab.
So what is Internet fragility, anyways? When the world's wealthiest and most powerful stakeholders battle for control of the Internet, they push marginalized voices out. As solutions, our experts discuss the significance of decentralizing the web and highlight how public-private partnerships can strengthen the Internet.
The Daylight Security Research Lab aims to shift the way people understand, identify, and implement safeguard against harms—and expands the kinds of decision-makers able to do so. By generating novel tools, practices, and representations, the lab makes “security” specific and actionable to those who need it. Innovative projects of DSRL include the Cybersecurity Arts Contest, the card game Adversary Personas, and a series of curricula addressing machine learning failures and algorithmic bias (MLFailures). Nick pioneered early work on measuring Internet fragmentation.
Interested in learning more? Connect with Nick on Twitter (@_elsehow), subscribe to his Substack, or read about the Daylight Security Research Lab's great work online.
To learn more about the Foundry, check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry).
If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at [email protected].
Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
5/12/2022 • 43 minutes, 30 seconds
Global Internet Governance: The UN/ITU in 2022 with Jim Lewis [S3E03]
Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. In this episode, ILPF Fellow Joe Catapano speaks with Jim Lewis, Senior VP and Director of the Strategic Technologies Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies on the state of global internet governance. Where have we been, and more importantly where are we going? How will the deliberations at important international bodies in 2022 affect the Internet we rely on for the next decade?
It's a fascinating time for global internet governance. At the United Nations and its tech-focused agency, the International Telecommunication Union (ITU), numerous key meetings and discussions are ongoing. The upcoming battle for ITU Secretary General quickly approaching. The global bodies that will determine the future of the Internet and the policies governing it have participated in activities and discussions shaping this future, culminating in the ITU Plenipotentiary Conference this September.
Note: We recorded this episode on April 19, 2022, and does not reflect any following developments. Joe's participation in this podcast is in his personal capacity; his questions and comments do not represent the views of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN).
You can connect with Jim on Twitter @james_a_lewis. You can read his full bio on the CSIS website.
Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
4/28/2022 • 35 minutes, 44 seconds
The Future of Open Internet and the War in Ukraine with Konstantinos Komaitis [S3E02]
This is the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. If you’re an old listener, you may have noticed this show has been on hiatus for the past couple of years. If you’re new here, welcome! We’re overjoyed to be back. And we're starting off our slate of initial episodes on the topics that matter; this one, on the notion of the open Internet, and how the war in Ukraine is affecting it.
In this episode, Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Konstantinos Komaitis. Konstantinos is a veteran of developing and analyzing internet policy to ensure a global, open Internet. Konstantinos has spent almost ten years in active policy development and strategy as a Senior Director at the Internet Society. Before that, he spent seven years researching and teaching Internet policy. Additionally, Konstantinos is a public speaker and writer, and also co-hosts the "Internet of Humans Podcast."
We chatted about the recent developments around Internet infrastructure and online content in the context of the war in Ukraine. In particular, we discussed the responses from ICANN and RIPE NCC to Ukraine’s requests to respectively make access to Russian websites and email difficult for people outside as well as inside of Russia, and to revoke IP address delegation to Russia. Moreover, we discussed the European Union’s unprecedented move to prohibit the broadcasting and distribution of content by two Russian news outlets throughout the European Union, and the corresponding responses from the tech platforms. Tune in to hear about what these developments mean for the future of the open Internet.
Additional Notes:
We recorded this episode on March 31, 2022. It does not reflect any developments after that date.
You can connect with Konstantinos on Twitter @kkomaitis, or on his website www.komaitis.org. Check out the “Internet of Humans” podcast Konstantinos co-hosts.
To learn more about the Foundry, check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry).
If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at [email protected].
Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
4/14/2022 • 40 minutes, 33 seconds
Building a Better Cybersecurity Strategy: The Role of Diversity with Ayan Islam [S3E01]
This is the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. If you're an old listener, you may have noticed this show has been on hiatus for a while. If you're new here, welcome! We're overjoyed to be back. We're here to bring you fascinating conversations on cutting-edge topics in the internet and technology law and policy space.
I'm Reema Moussa, and I'm a Fellow with the 4th class of ILP Foundry Fellows. Each week, we'll hear from different Fellows as they speak with experts across the field. From government, to the private sector, civil society and academia, and everything in between. Together, we'll learn all about new legal and policy developments in tech to watch out for, emerging technologies and their societal impacts, and the current conversations on the table between the big players in the field.
Now, for today's episode. It's Women's History Month, and diversity, equity, and inclusion is finally working its way into the mainstream within the tech field. However, there's still a lot of work to be done. Particularly, women currently represent only 24% of the cybersecurity workforce.
Today, I sat down with Ayan Islam of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), to talk about diversity, equity, and inclusion in cybersecurity. We discuss the state of diversity in cyber, the implications of the lack of female and other underrepresented groups in the field, and what CISA is doing to make a change.
Additional Notes:
Connect with Ayan Islam on LinkedIn here, and check out these great resources from CISA that we discussed in our chat;
CISA Jobs; https://dhscs.usajobs.gov/
National Initiative For Cybersecurity Careers and Studies; https://niccs.cisa.gov/
Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!
To learn more about the Foundry, check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry).
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4/1/2022 • 44 minutes, 26 seconds
We Ask the Question “Should We Tax Our Robot Overlords?” with Nikolas Guggenberger [S2E08]
Hey there listeners, today we prepare for our inevitable robot overlords, and ask the question - if we can't fight em' should we tax tem instead? And really, what do we mean by tax? And for that matter - what do we mean by "robot"?
This is Tech Policy Grind, a podcast from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. I'm your host, Emory Roane, and today I talked to Nikolas Guggeneberger of the Yale Information Society Project about one proposal to deal with the apparently rapidly approaching wave of automation: taxing businesses that shift to a robotic workforce
Really, the issue is much more subtle than -more so than I realzied, at least - and I'm so glad to have gotten Nikolas on the show to break down exactly how much I didn't know. We also touch on some other ways technologies and government may be able to mitigate the upcoming robot jobacalypse, and Nikolas offers some sage advice for breaking into the tech-law field, even when that means traveling to the other side of the world.
I had an awesome time talking with Nikolas today, and I'm pretty sure you wonderful nerds out there will enjoy this, too. If you do (or if you don't, I suppose) you can let us know on twitter @techpolicygrind. Another big announcement: applications are STILL OPEN for the next class of fellows at the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. I've had a few of you folks reach out already, but if you want to get involved with teh foundry, if you're an early career professional or a student - I hope we see your application! You can apply at ilpfoundry.us/join/ and applications will be open until April 30th. Again, that's ilpfoundry.us/join/ applications are open until April 30th! Do it! Foundry fellows set the strategy and run the operations of the foundry, and do cool projects like this podcast!
All right, announcements over, let's get to the question at hand: should we tax our overlords?
4/9/2019 • 41 minutes, 7 seconds
Lessons from Blocking the Big 5 and More With Kashmir Hill [S2E07]
Hey there listeners, this is Tech Policy Grind, the show where we hammer out the latest in tech law and policy with the folks at the forefront of that space, and today, we have such a treat.
Let's be honest, if you're listening to this show, you've almost certainly read her work over on Gizmodo. Her incredible articles on the Pregnancy Panopticon, how your smart home can spy on you, and recently, what its' like - and whether it's possible - to 'block' the big 5 tech companies from your life - are some of, if not the best pieces of journalism out there on consumer technology privacy issues.
Our guest is, of course, is Kashmir Hill, senior writer at Gizmodo Media Group's Special Projects Desk, and a self described canary in the coal mine for bad consumer technology privacy issues. This week we get to talk about lessons she learned from Blocking the Big 5, the state of consumer privacy protections in the US, and her journey from blogging at Above the Law to writing with an investigative team at Gizmodo where she gets to work on fascinating stories for months at a time.
My name is Emory Roane, this is still a podcast from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry, and we are so glad to bring you along with us. And good news! Applications are currently open for the next class of fellows at the ILPF. Foundry fellows are early career professionals and students who set the strategy and run the operation of the Foundry, and do cool projects like this podcast that you're listening to right now! I've had awesome opportunities and met incredible colleagues through the foundry. Applications are open until April 30th, so go check it out and submit yours at ilpfoundry.us/join. You can follow the show on twitter @techpolicygrind, and you can find me on twitter at @emoryroane.
So, with the introductions behind us, let's start the show.
4/2/2019 • 33 minutes, 50 seconds
Talking IAPP and Podcasting with Angelique Carson – The TPG / Privacy Advisor Crossover Event of the Century! [S2E06]
Hey, you're listening to Tech Policy Grind, a podcast from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. My name is Emory Roane, and today it's another foray into privacy - or more specifically, the International Association of Privacy Professionals.
This time, with Angelique Carson - editor of The Privacy Advisor and host of The excellent (and far more popular) Privacy Advisor Podcast over at the IAPP. If you're not already subscribed to her show you'll definitely want to check it out - and if you're joining us from the Privacy Advisor - welcome! On our show we also dive into the legal weedsy, often (but not exclusively) privacy issues at the forefront of tech policy, with a focus on the early career professionals paving the way in the field.
Today, with Joe Jerome, we talk about the latest trends in privacy; Angelique's near decade with the IAPP and work on the Privacy Advisor; and trade stories of podcasting ups, downs and protips. If you enjoy this episode as much as we enjoyed making it, let us know on twitter @techpolicygrind and maybe tell a friend!
And most importantly, if you're a student interested in, or an early career professional already working in tech policy, and you haven't applied for the next class of fellows at the Internet Law and Policy Foundry, what are you waiting for? run, don't walk to your nearest internet device (it's probably in your hand or nearby) and then immediately go to ilpfoundry.us/join! We're accepting applications now until April 30th, and we want to see yours! I've had an awesome time with the Foundry and have met some amazing colleagues. Highly recommend, 10 out of 10.
Okay, the preliminaries are out of the way, let's get right into it, I'll see you in about 35 minutes, until then enjoy this chat with the Privacy Advisors very own Angelique Carson.
3/19/2019 • 32 minutes, 35 seconds
Bug Bounty-ing and Associate Corporate Counseling at Github with Fred Jennings [S2E05]
Hey, you're listening to Tech Policy Grind, a podcast from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry where we hammer out the latest, at the intersection of law and technology.
My name is Emory Roane, and Today, Joe Jerome joins us as we talk to Fred Jennings, Associate Corporate Counsel at GitHub, about bug bounty programs, the pitfalls businesses need to keep in mind when setting up bug bounty programs of their own, and the challenges and highs of working at one the coolest Microsoft acquisition yet, right? Seriously though, Github is an awesome company and I hope you enjoy this peek into what its like working in house at a tech company that's managed to grow to more than 30 million active users while still sticking to its open source heart and soul.
Before we jump into this chat, though, I hope you're keeping your eye on the Internet Law and Policy Foundry twitter @ilpfoundry and our website at ilpfoundry.us - applications for the 2019 Class of Fellows will go LIVE this Friday, March 15th, and we'll be accepting applications until late April. Students, early career professionals, folks in the tech, law and policy space - I hope we see your application! I've had some incredible opportunities and have met awesome friends and colleagues through the Foundry, so what are you waiting for?
All right, with all that said, you know the drill - enjoy this chat with Fred Jennings, Associate Corporate Counsel at Github.
3/12/2019 • 30 minutes, 16 seconds
Debunking CCPA Myths with Mary Stone Ross [S2E04]
Hey there listeners! Sorry about last week - we had some technical issues that are... well, actually they're not at all sorted out yet. Pour one out for the old editing PC because that poor machine is dead. But! After editing this entire episode with a mousepad and recording this intro from my closet - we have a really special episode for you.
You're listening to Tech Policy Grind, the podcast from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. My name is Emory Roane, and today we're bringing you a conversation I was lucky to have with Mary Stone Ross, one of the original coauthors of the ballot initiative that became the California Consumer Privacy Act. In this winding conversation, we talk about debunking common CCPA myths, why privacy rights are so essential right now, and what it takes for a CIA analyst to turn privacy advocate!
I say this about every conversation, I'm sure, but i had a great time talking with Mary Stone Ross, and I hope you will too. I can't promise we'll stop talking about the CCPA after this episode, but if you enjoyed last season's wonky dive into one of the most exciting privacy laws in the country (god I'm such a nerd) - well, stick around!
Before we head off back to the State of the Net 2019, where we recorded this conversation, I have some exciting news! The Internet Law and Policy Foundry will be accepting applications for our next class of Fellows, starting next week! Stay tuned to the Foundry twitter @ilpfoundry for more information, but expect the application to go live on March 15th, and the final date to submit your application will be April 30th. If you're a Student or Emerging professional, or have a tech law and policy background, I hope we see your application! The Foundry is a collection of early career professionals trying to pave their way in the tech law and policy world. I've met some incredible people, friends and colleagues, and it's given me some awesome opportunities.
All right, now back to the wonkiness: Please sit back and enjoy this deep dive into the California Consumer Privacy Act with coauthor Mary Stone Ross, at State of the Net, 2019.
3/5/2019 • 36 minutes, 37 seconds
Terrorist Content Regulation: Article 13 on Steroids – A Conversation with Daphne Keller at State of the Net 2019 [S2E03]
Did you know that a little over a week ago the European Union decided to move forward with their latest proposed updates to the EU Copyright Directive, which includes requirements for websites to affirmatively scan for copyrighted content - it's been just about universally lambasted as internet-destroyingly awful - but all signs indicate that the EU is barreling ahead with it. Well, we're not going to talk about *that* today, but something else that's just around the corner in the EU, and is *EVEN WORSE*. It's generically called "terrorist content regulation" and it's Article 13 on steroids, at least according to our guest today. My name is Emory Roane, and you're listening to Tech Policy Grind, a podcast from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. This is another conversation recorded at State of the Net 2019 - this time with the Director of Intermediary Liability at The Center for Internet and Society at Stanford, Daphne Keller. @daphnehk
I had a great time talking with Daphne, and I think you'll enjoy this dive into some of the biggest NON-PRIVACY issues facing the internet (I swear there's no privacy talk in this episode at all (or hardly at all))- from the already mentioned terrorist content regulation to the question of whether or not Twitter is - or should be - considered the modern day public square, and what that means for free speech and censorship.
I'm going to get right into it, but don't forget to follow us on twitter at @techpolicygrind, as well as the Internet Law and Policy Foundry at @ilpfoundry - we'll be releasing information soon about applying for the next class of fellows - so all you early career professionals listening, and especially any students out there - stay tuned. Now, I hope you enjoy this conversation with Daphne Keller at State of the Net, 2019.
2/19/2019 • 30 minutes, 15 seconds
CCPA, GDPR, BIPA and more with EFF’s Lee Tien at SOTN2019 [S2E02]
Hey Listeners, welcome to Tech Policy Grind, a project of the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. My name is Emory Roane, and today should be a treat for privacy nerds out there! This is another conversation brought to you from the floor of State of the Net 2019 - an internet policy conference held each year in Washington D.C.
This is an interview - or really, a "privacy advocates react" to State of the Net - with regular cohost Joe Jerome of the Center for Democracy and Technology, and Lee Tien, senior staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Together, we have a fairly wonky dive into some of the updates and confusion in the California Consumer Privacy Act, and some really interesting discussion about the role predictability should play in policy. We briefly cover the recent Illinois supreme court case Rosenbach v. Six Flags and the importance for the Biometric Information Privacy Act. And of course! We place our bets on whether (or not) we'll see a federal privacy law this year.
Honestly it was a real pleasure for me to get to talk to Lee and bring you along for the conversation. Lee is someone who I aspire to be like, he is a brilliant speaker and an expert in all the coolest areas of law. If you like this, and I hope you do, let us know and follow us on twitter @TechPolicyGrind. With nothing else to introduce, I hope you enjoy this conversation with Lee Tien, at State of the Net, 2019.
2/12/2019 • 31 minutes, 49 seconds
State of the Net 2019 – A Conversation with FTC Commissioner Slaughter [S2E01]
Listeners! We're back! Tech Policy Grind has had a long, relaxing (well, not very relaxing) summer... and fall hiatus - but we're back (and if I'm honest and modest)better than ever, and excited to bring you a batch of new interviews with tech policy nerds, for all you tech policy nerds and aspiring nerds out there.
This is Tech Policy Grind, a podcast from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. Every week - oh yeah, that's a thing now - we'll be releasing new interviews and conversations with folks working at the intersection of law and technology. We'll talk about the fascinating work that they're doing, and the lessons they learned along the way.
This week, we're starting things off with an interview with an FTC Commissioner! We were so, so lucky to talk with Commissioner Rebecca Slaughter this year at State of the Net, 2019.
Listeners from last year may remember that State of the Net is an Internet Policy conference held each year in Washington D.C. by the Internet Education Foundation, the Internet Law and Policy Foundry's parent organization. Over the next few weeks we'll be releasing more interviews from State of the Net where we talked - quite a bit- about privacy - it's kind of a big deal this year. We also talked about platform liability, the California Consumer Privacy Act, and, well, the state of the internet in 2019.
This week, though, we talk about things I know next to nothing about, but that makes it all the more fascinating. Commissioner Slaughter tells us what it's like to go through a government shutdown, and we get a lesson on vertical and horizontal mergers - basically, are we thinking about the harms properly when a Google buys a Whatsapp don't at me - and are we holding these big mergers to account after the fact? Antitrust law, it turns out, is awesome. we also, of course, glean any career lessons we can from the Commissioner, who has some tips on how to find not just a mentor, but a champion.
Don't forget to follow us on twitter, and consider rating and reviewing us on iTunes if you like the show - it means a lot, and can help make this show a sustaining feature of the Internet Law and Policy Foundry.
So! Sit back, or keep doing what you're doing! Keep hustling! it's 2019 - or, 2020 if you're listening to this long after release for some reason. In which case, thank you, you keep doing your thing too, and enjoy a conversation with FTC Commissioner Slaughter at State of the Net 2019.
2/5/2019 • 28 minutes, 5 seconds
Ending the Season with A Very Wonky California Consumer Privacy Act [S1E20]
Hey! You're listening to Tech Policy Grind, and we want to thank you for joining us on this awesome adventure we've been on since launching the show last year. Our release schedule hasn't always been the tightest, our audio quality hasn't always been the most polished, but you've stuck with us as we covered everything from privacy to artificial intelligence, to copyright, to privacy - okay, a lot of privacy talk - but it's been a big year for privacy! Facebook and Cambridge Analytica, The General Data Protection Regulation, more Facebook... Unfortunately Pinal couldn't join us, but today Joe and I are closing out this, the first season of Tech Policy Grind, with a bit of a meandering deep dive into the new California Consumer Protect Act of 2018, YouTube's COPPA problems, and a bit of a retrospective as we look back on almost a year of awesome conversations, and forward to the next.
We're going to be going on a bit of a Summer hiatus for the next few months, but don't let that stop you from reaching out to us on twitter @TechPolicyGrind and letting us know what you think of the show. We'd love to hear your thoughts, and especially any ideas for season 2!
With that, I'll sign off for the summer, bid you all adieu' and best of luck staying cool - enjoy this wonky privacy talk with Joe Jerome and myself, Emory Roane, on Tech Policy Grind.
7/2/2018 • 47 minutes, 56 seconds
RightsCon 2018: Javier Pallermo and a RightsCon Retrospective [S1E19]
All right listeners, This is Tech Policy Grind, a show all about the exciting, occassionally inspiring things happening in internet law and policy - My name is Emory and this week, I'm excited because I get to bring you all along with me to Rightscon 2018, one of the coolest things I've gotten to do in my professional career so far.
Rightscon is the world's leading conference on human rights in the digital age, with thousands of attendees, more than 450 panels, hosted over 3 days (4 if you count day zero events) last month in Toronto. I was there this year, Joe Jerome was there too, as well as most everyone that's been on our show so far!
Coming up is a two parter - first, you'll hear my conversation with Javier Palero of Access Now before his panel on podcasting as a tool for advocacy. After that, stay tuned for a retrospective with Joe and I - as we talk about some of our favorite panels, the most interesting trends and topics, where we found the best swag and our thoughts on the conference.
We've had an absolute blast producing this season of Tech Policy Grind! We're wrapping up with one more show after this before we break for the summer - and we'd love to hear from our listeners before we come back better than ever. You can always reach out to us on twitter, but if you really want to make a difference, please consider leaving a review on iTunes. All right - that's it for intro - now please enjoy my conversation with Javier Pallero and a retrospective on the conference with Joe Jerome at Rightscon 2018.
6/4/2018 • 37 minutes, 58 seconds
Bijan Madhani: The Europeans Are Coming! GDPR Spectacular [S1E18]
The Europeans are coming! Hi everyone, welcome to Tech Policy Grind, a show by and about young professionals in the tech law and policy space - today we're joined by Bijan Madhani - fellow foundry member at the Internet Law and Policy Foundry, Senior policy counsel at CCIA - the Computer & Communications Industry Association - to talk about the General Data Protection Regulations - the new set of sweeping and far-reaching privacy regulations coming online in Europe this week, on May 25th. Should small businesses be concerned? Is the GDPR really Thanos - and if so, does that make the right to be forgotten the Time Stone? We cover these crucial issues and more - right here on Tech Policy Grind
Joining us today:
Bijan Madhani is Senior Policy Counsel at the Computer & Communications Industry Association. He concentrates primarily on privacy and surveillance policy,Mahdani-B cybersecurity, and Internet governance issues relating to free expression and open networks. Bijan previously focused on these matters as a law clerk with Senator Dianne Feinstein’s Judiciary Committee office, PBS, and the Department of Justice. He also recently spent time as counsel with the Food and Drug Administration, prior to which he worked as a Legal Fellow with CCIA.
5/21/2018 • 50 minutes, 28 seconds
Anisha Mangalick Adds to the Blockchain [S1E17]
After much delay, a fully-staffed podcast crew talks to Anisha Mangalick about her path from science into law and then everyone tries to explain the basics of blockchain to Joe. Anisha is currently an associate corporate counsel at Zendesk. You can learn more about her here: https://www.anishamangalick.com/
5/7/2018 • 44 minutes, 10 seconds
A Word With Our President, Patrick Kyhos [S1E16]
We live! Okay, yes, absolutely, we have been on a bit of a hiatus for the past few weeks - some of those good old fashioned life events kept cropping up. Turns out, 2018 is a busy, exciting year! Go figure! Today, we're thrilled to bring you an episode with the current president of the Internet Law and Policy Foundry, Patrick Kyhos!
Patrick Kyhos is an information security and privacy attorney. His work focuses on transparency, data security, privacy, and national security.
Previously, he worked as a political staffer, focusing on security and data privacy policy. He began his career in banking and worked in finance for two years after graduating from college.
4/9/2018 • 37 minutes, 36 seconds
Inayat Chaudhry and the Value of LL.M’s and Cryptokitties [S1E15]
Hey, listeners, it’s time for another episode of Tech Policy Grind! I think you’re going to really like this one, and it marks the first in a multi-part series we’ll be doing on bitcoin, blockchain, cryptocurrencies – and how they’re barreling into the world of internet law and policy.
Today, Joe and I had the opportunity to sit down and talk tech with Inayat Chaudhry. Inayat is a fellow with the foundry, and is currently pursuing her LL.M at UC Berkeley’s School of Law, taking what has to be the coolest courseload for well, probably anyone that’s listening to this show. Join us as we talk about her LL.M experience, the value of internships at Wikimedia and the EFF, fundamentals of blockchain technology, and we all share our inner love for – or at least fascination with - cryptokitties.
As always, if you like the show, please stick around till the end, maybe share the show with a friend if you can’t leave a quick review on iTunes. You can follow the show on twitter @TechPolicyGrind, we hope to see you there. For now, enjoy a nerdy dive into the blockchain rabbit hole with Joe Jerome, myself, Emory Roane, and Inayat Chaudhry.
Joining us today:
Inayat is an LL.M candidate at UC Berkeley’s School of Law. Before this, she was a legal intern at the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) where she worked on copyright law, Internet of Things, and First Amendment issues. Before EFF, Inayat worked as a legal fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation where she focused on copyright law, trademark law, privacy law, and international law issues dealing with intellectual property. She is a Certified Information Privacy Professional.
3/12/2018 • 42 minutes, 33 seconds
Kendra Albert, Elizabeth Anne Watkins, and the Cyber Security Digital Divide [S1E14]
Hey! This is Emory, you’re listening to another episode of Tech Policy Grind a podcast from the Internet law and Policy Foundry – and this one coming up - this one you’re listening to right now – I think it might just be my favorite episode we’ve recorded thus far. An absolutely fascinating discussion with two academic powerhouses – Kendra Albert and Elizabeth Anne Watkins. Joe will introduce Kendra and Elizabeth in just a moment, but Kendra is a technology lawyer, a fellow at the Internet Law and Policy Foundry and together with Elizabeth they recently published and have presented on their work on the Gig Econmy and the Digital Security Divide.
On today’s episode we’ll talk about that work, the issue of cyber security educational disparity in the gig economy, and what can be done about it – but we also talk about their experiences in the Ivy leagues, how an arts education carries over to law school, and the social and cultural elements of cyber security awareness. As always, if you like the show, please rate and review us on iTunes, and consider reaching out to us on Twitter at TechPolicyGrind! We’re always looking for feedback and new guests and topics for the show. So, I hope you enjoy this upcoming discussion as much as I did, with Joe Jerome, Kendra Albert and Elizabeth Anne Watkins.
Joining us today:
Kendra is a clinical instructional fellow at the Cyberlaw Clinic at Harvard Law School, where they teach students how to practice law by working with pro bono clients. Previously, they were an associate at Zeitgeist Law PC, a boutique technology law firm in San Francisco, and a research associate at the Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society.
2/26/2018 • 37 minutes, 36 seconds
We Talk NDAs, Enforceability, and the Unlikely Path of a Tech Associate for Angel Diaz [S1E13]
Hey all you awesome ears, you’re listening to Tech Policy Grind the Internet Law and Policy Foundry podcast! This is Emory, and even though I’m conspicuously absent from this upcoming conversation, we have an amazing episode coming right up.
Pinal and Joe talk with Angel Diaz, 2017 fellow at the foundry and technology associate at Gunderson Dettmer, about his journey from majoring in English and Poetry at UC Berkeley, to working at Google, to advising clients on frontier legal tech issues. Stay tuned for a discussion on the enforceability of NDA’s, the finer points of Terms of Service (which I promise is more interesting than that sounds!), privacy and confidentiality, and more!
As always, if you like what we’re doing, please, it would be a huge help to the show to head to iTunes and leave a review, and you can always follow us on twitter @TechPolicyGrind. All right, so, with all that said, please, sit back and enjoy Pinal Shah, Joe Jerome and Angel Diaz on Tech Policy Grind:
Joining us today:
Ángel Díaz is a Technology Associate at Gunderson Dettmer, where he counsels technology start-ups and venture capital firms through the changing landscape of IP, privacy, and data security issues. His research and interests focus on the intersection between emerging technology and social justice, including the surveillance of minority communities, consumer protection for non-native English speakers, and discrimination in digital advertising.
Ángel received his J.D. from UC Berkeley School of Law, where he was Book Reviews and Essays Editor of the California Law Review, Annual Review Editor of the Berkeley Technology Law Journal, and an extern for Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California. Before law school, Angel worked in the legal department at Google.
2/12/2018 • 32 minutes, 3 seconds
SOTN2018 – Dr. Betsy Cooper, The Witches Brew of Cyber-Security and Our Vulnerable Olympics [S1E12]
Hey everyone, this is Emory, you’re listening to Tech Policy Grind – and if you’re just now tuning in, if you’re a new listener or just haven’t been paying much attention to your podcast feed this week, I’ve got great news! This is but one of five special bonus episode of Tech Policy Grind we’ve been releasing this week, of interviews and discussions Joe and I had at State of the Net 2018 – the largest internet policy conference in the country, hosted by our parent organization, the Internet Education Foundation. If you have been listening all week – we REALLY hope you’ve enjoyed this – it’s been exciting and a lot of fun to try something new with TPG, so if you liked what you heard this week, if you want to hear more like it, let us know! We’re still continually fishing for reviews on iTunes, but you can reach us on twitter @TechPolicyGrind and we’d really love to hear from you.
We’re wrapping up our week of bonus Tech Policy Grind episodes with a conservation Joe and I had with Dr. Betsy Cooper, Executive Director of the Berkeley Center for Long-Term Cyber-security. We talked about the most pressing issues facing cyber-security and had an extremely fun dive into a topic I had personally never thought about: cyber-security at the Olympics!
Keep it tuned right here for the whole interview, and from everyone here at Tech PolicyGrind, we hope you’ve enjoyed this week of bonus content! We’ll be back to the normal release schedule next week with a regularly scheduled episode of Tech Policy Grind next Monday, February 12th
Okay, so, with all that said, please, sit back and enjoy the last conversation of the day, with Dr. Betsy Cooper of Berkeley’s Center for Long Term Cybersecurity, at State of the Net 2018.
2/9/2018 • 16 minutes, 34 seconds
SOTN2018 – Mike Masnick, Fake News and the Dangers of Doing Too Much [S1E11]
Welcome to day 4 of Tech Policy Grind's State of the Net 2018 coverage!
Today we’re thrilled to bring you a brief discussion Joe and I had with TechDirt’s own Mike Masnick! Joe and I are both huge fans of Mike’s writing, and if you aren’t already, you probably should be! CEO, founder and writer for the blog, Mike’s articles offer some of the best examples of tech journalism out there today. From net neutrality to artificial intelligence to surveillance and fake news – Mike has written about it all – and chances are, Joe and I mostly agree with him. Today we talked about his panel at State of the Net 2018, on the dangers of fake news, and, perhaps more importantly, the risks associated with “doing something” about the problem.
So, sit back, and be worried – but not hasty – and enjoy our discussion with Mike Masnick at State of the Net 2018
2/8/2018 • 13 minutes, 16 seconds
SOTN2018 – We Talk Internet Policy With Commissioner Karen Charles Peterson and Dr. Roslyn Layton [S1E10]
Hey Tech Policy Grind! Emory, back once more, to introduce a very internet policy episode of TPG, recorded while at State of the Net 2018 last week! On this two parter, we’ll hear from Commissioner Karen Charles Peterson and Dr. Rosyln Layton.
Commissioner Karen Charles Peterson is the Commissioner of the Department of Telecommunications and Cable for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Joe and I were thrilled to stream our conversation with Commissioner Charles Peterson live as we had it, last week at State of the Net 2018 – and we’re just as thrilled to be releasing it as a bonus episode of Tech Policy Grind, today! We talk about responsible municipal internet regulation, bridging the digital divide, and ways local governments are stepping up in response to the repeal of the Open Internet Order!
Coming up right afterwards is our discussion on net neutrality with Dr. Roslyn Layton, who comes down on decidedly different lines of reasoning than Commissioner Peterson. We want to thank both Commissioner Charles Peterson and Dr. Layton for joining us at State of the Net for a spirited discussion about some of the most pressing issues facing internet policy – the state of net neutrality and the digital divide. Keep it tuned right here for the rest of the week, as we’ve got more excellent interviews from State of the Net 2018, including discussions on Fake News with Tech Dirt’s Mike Masnik, and a survey of the Witches Brew of Cybersecurity with Dr. Betsy Cooper, Executive Director of Berkeley’s Center for Long-Term Cybersecurity!
So! Sit back, and enjoy day three of our Bonus State of the Net 2018 episodes of Tech policy Grind with Commissioner Karen Charles Peterson.
2/7/2018 • 50 minutes, 56 seconds
SOTN2018 – Sanja Kelly, Internet Freedom and Innovating in a Negative Way [S1E09]
We're back for day 2 of our week of bonus State of the Net 2018 discussions! Every day this week we'll be releasing some bonus episodes of Tech Policy Grind including conversations Joe and Emory had with panelists at the largest internet policy conference in the country!
Today we are joined by Sanja Kelly of Freedom House, whose incredible project, "Freedom on the Net," is the subject of much discussion! Freedom on the Net assesses countries on their internet freedom score, stay tuned for our favorite quote of the day on a certain country's continual "innovation in a negative way!" We have been really excited to bring you these conversations, and we're thrilled to be trying out something a little new here at TPG. Let us know what you think, we'd love to hear from you!
2/6/2018 • 27 minutes, 21 seconds
SOTN2018 – James Bessen and Charles Duan say “Poppycock!” to Techno-Pessimists [S1E08]
Well isn't this exciting! Emory here, to let you know that yes, we're bucking the norm this week and releasing some very special BONUS episodes of Tech Policy Grind! Last week Joe and I attended State of the Net, the largest internet policy conference in the country! We streamed some of what we did that day live - maybe you caught us then! If not, that's fine, because all this week we're releasing interviews and discussions we had with movers and shakers, and generally fascinating people doing work at the very front lines of tech policy. From fake news to robotic job snatchers, techno-dictators and sensible internet policy - we've got it all, right here, this week, on Tech Policy Grind!
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Today, we're starting things off with the first chat we had of the day, with James Bessen and Charles Duan. We talk about how much we have to fear (or do we?) from the much hyped impending robot takeover.
2/6/2018 • 25 minutes, 24 seconds
Lobbying for Tech and Startups with Rachel Wolbers [S1E07]
Joining us this week is Rachel Wolbers - and Pinal and Emory pick her brain about what it's like to be in the lobbying world, how you can get in touch with your elected officials, and advice for anyone getting started in the patent field without a science background. If you like what you hear, let us know on twitter, and if you can, please head over to iTunes and leave a review! It really helps.
This week Tech Policy Grind is on the scenes at State of the Net, in D.C.! Stay tuned for interviews with panelists and on-the-floor streams of the biggest internet policy conference in the country!
Joining us today:
Rachel Wolbers the Policy Director at Engine. Previously, Rachel worked as a Legislative Director at TwinLogic Strategies, a bi-partisan, all female, tech-lobbying shop. Her issue areas include patents, copyright, telecom and technology policy. Before joining TwinLogic Strategies, Rachel worked for Congressman Blake Farenthold (TX-27). Rachel received her J.D. from Case Western Reserve University School of Law and her undergraduate degree from The George Washington University.
1/29/2018 • 44 minutes, 6 seconds
The Code/Law Switch and Informational Injury with Kristian Stout [S1E06]
This week on TPG we grabbed Kristian Stout to talk about how he made the leap from programmer to think-tanker, advice for 20 year olds everywhere, and a substantive, in-the-weeds discussion on FCC and FTC authority, informational injury, privacy and all sorts of wonky wonderfulness. Tune in, we think you'll like it. (And, if you do, don't forget to follow us on twitter, and head over to iTunes to rate and review the show - we're looking for any and all feedback!)
Stay tuned to the end of the episode for a special note about upcoming episodes! On Jan. 29th Tech Policy Grind will be at State of the Net, the country's largest internet policy conference, to record a series of brief interviews with panel speakers about topics ranging from AI to Internet Governance to Cyber Security and Fake News. Keep your eyes peeled on our twitter @techpolicygrind for more info!
Joining us today:
Joining us today is Kristian Stout! Kristian is the Associate Director for Innovation Policy at the International Center for Law and Economics (ICLE) and a contributor to TheHill.com. He has kindly offered to mentor listeners, so if you'd like to reach out to Kristian, you can reach him at [email protected] .
1/15/2018 • 37 minutes, 28 seconds
We Talk National Security and Encryption with Camille Stewart [S1E05]
Happy New Year! Inaugural fellow Camille Stewart joins us to talk "responsible" encryption policy in the Trump administration as well as her new podcast, Hustle Over Entitlement. We talk about her journey, from drafting contracts as a child to negotiating national security policies with the Five Eyes. We're beyond thrilled to start the year off right, and there's more excellent content coming down the pipe in 2018!
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Joining us today:
Joining us today is Camille Stewart!Camille Stewart is a senior consultant with Deloitte & Touche LLP’s cyber risk services practice focused on cyber, privacy, and identifying emerging technologies to bring to market. As a cyber, technology, and intellectual property attorney, Camille brings specialized, crosscutting perspective to bear on complex technology, cyber, and national security issues. She served as the Senior Policy Advisor for Cyber Infrastructure & Resilience Policy at the Department of Homeland Security in the Obama Administration. Prior to working at DHS, Camille spent five years as the Senior Manager, Legal Affairs at Cyveillance, Inc. She also founded a legal consultancy and startup incubator, MarqueLaw, PLLC. Camille is an Inaugural Internet Law and Policy Foundry Fellow, a Truman Security Fellow, a Council on Foreign Relations Term Member, and on the leadership team of Women in Technology. Camille recently launched the Hustle Over Entitlement Podcast - telling stories of trailblazers and risk takers. Subscribe. Listen. & Share. www.HustleOverEntitlement.com. You can find out more about Camille and her current projects at www.CamilleStewart.com or follow her on Twitter @CamilleEsq