This is the story of what happens when Evan Ratliff, co-host of Longform and a longtime tech journalist, makes a digital copy of himself, powered by AI, in order to understand how amazing and scary and utterly ridiculous the world is about to get. In Episode 1, Evan clones his voice, hooks it up to ChatGPT and his phone line, and sends it off to tangle with customer service representatives. New episodes drop on Tuesdays. Visit shellgame.co to find out more, subscribe, and support the show. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What would happen if you created a digital copy of yourself, powered by AI, and set it loose in the world? Over the past six months, Evan Ratliff has been trying to find out. He combined a clone of his voice, an AI chatbot, and a phone line—many phone lines, actually—into what are called “voice agents.” Then he sent them out… as himself. They talked to sources and colleagues (including his fellow Longform co-hosts), friends and family, scammers and spammers, other AI voice agents, and even therapists. The result is a story of what it feels like when you try to take control of the very technology that threatens to replace you. New episodes drop on Tuesdays starting July 9. Visit shellgame.co to find out more, subscribe, and support the show. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

John Jeremiah Sullivan is a contributing writer at the New York Times Magazine and has written for Harper's, The New Yorker, and GQ. He is the author of Pulphead and the forthcoming The Prime Minister of Paradise: The True Story of a Lost American History. “I love making pieces of writing and trying to find the right language to say what I mean. It's such a wonderful way of being alive in the world. I mean, your material is all around you. ... I'm lucky that it has stayed interesting for me. It hasn't faded. The challenges of writing, they still glow.” Show notes: Sullivan on Longform Sullivan’s GQ archive Sullivan’s New York Times Magazine archive 10:00 “Uhtceare” (Paris Review • May 2021) 28:00 Pulphead (FSG Originals • 2011) 30:00 The Best American Essays 2014 (Mariner Books • 2014) 30:00 “The Ill-Defined Plot” (New Yorker • Oct 2014) 50:00 “Man Called Fran” (Harper’s • Sept 2023) 50:00 “The Final Comeback of Axl Rose” (GQ • Aug 2006) 50:00 “Upon This Rock” (GQ • Jan 2004) 50:00 “Peyton’s Place” (GQ • Oct 2011) 50:00 “Leaving Reality” (GQ • Oct 2011) 54:00 “Pulp Fever” (Daniel Riley • GQ • Nov 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The hosts answer a few listener questions. Evan’s picks for some podcasts to try: Creative Nonfiction Press Box The Stacks Podcast: Sunday Long Read True Stories Question Everything Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ta-Nehisi Coates is an author and journalist. His next book is The Message. “I don’t think we have the luxury as journalists of avoiding things because people might say bad things about us. I don’t even think we have the luxury of avoiding things because we might get fired. I don’t think we have the luxury of avoiding them because somebody might cancel some sort of public speech that we have. I then have to ask you, what are you in it for? Like, why did you come here? Did you come here just to make a living? Because there are many other things where you could make more money.” Show notes: ta-nehisicoates.com Coates on Longform Longform Podcast #7: Ta-Nehisi Coates Longform Podcast #97: Ta-Nehisi Coates Longform Podcast #168: Ta-Nehisi Coates Longform Podcast #225: Ta-Nehisi Coates Longform Podcast #360: Ta-Nehisi Coates and Chris Jackson Longform Podcast #408: Ta-Nehisi Coates 04:00 "Fear of a Black President" (The Atlantic • Sep 2012) 05:00 The Beautiful Struggle (One World • 2009) 12:00 "The Case for Reparations" (The Atlantic • Jun 2014) 13:00 Between the World and Me (One World • 2015) 36:00 "The Mask of Doom" (New Yorker • Sep 2009) 40:00 "How Tech Giants Cut Corners to Harvest Data for A.I." (Cade Metz, Cecilia Kang, Sheera Frenkel, Stuart A. Thompson and Nic Grant • New York Times • Apr 2024) 42:00 Shell Game (Evan Ratliff • 2024) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jay Caspian Kang is a staff writer for The New Yorker and a co-host of Time to Say Goodbye. “At some point, you have to kick it out the door, and it’s never finished to the degree that you would finish a magazine piece. But it, in some ways, is more interesting because it is produced in a short amount of time, and it’s read as something that is not supposed to be complete. It’s just meant to provoke or to provide thought or whatever, to provide some sort of context on a certain issue or not. And I actually like that a lot better than the magazine writing. I respect the magazine writers—obviously, I was one—but for my disposition now, in my lifestyle, I actually enjoy having to produce this thing every week.” Have a question for the mailbag? Email the show or leave a voicemail at (929) 333-2908. Show notes: @jaycaspiankang Kang on Longform Kang on Longform Podcast (Oct 2021) Kang on Longform Podcast (Aug 2017) Kang on Longform Podcast (Apr 2013) Kang’s New Yorker archive 06:00 Coin Talk 08:00 Tyler Austin Harper’s Atlantic archive 10:00 Serial 12:00 The Daily 20:00 “The High Is Always the Pain and the Pain Is Always the High” (The Morning News • Oct 2010) 28:00 James (Percival Everett • Doubleday • 2024) 34:00 “American Son” (ESPN • July 2024) 35:00 Kang’s VICE archive 42:00 “Mike Francesa Still Believes in the Power of Radio” (New York Times • Aug 2018) 43:00 Kang’s Grantland archive 43:00 Kang’s New York Times archive Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joseph Cox is a cybersecurity journalist and co-founder of 404 Media. His new book is Dark Wire: The Incredible True Story of the Largest Sting Operation Ever. “In the not too distant future, I will be a very old man, and maybe I won't be able to spend all day talking to drug traffickers. I will be mentally and physically exhausted. So I will doggedly pursue the story right now while I can.” Show notes: @josephfcox Cox's 404 Media archive Cox's Vice archive Dark Wire: The Incredible True Story of the Largest Sting Operation Ever (PublicAffairs • 2024) 08:00 "FBI’s Encrypted Phone Platform Infiltrated Hundreds of Criminal Syndicates; Result is Massive Worldwide Takedown" (U.S. Attorney’s Office, Southern District of California • Jun 2021) 10:00 Billion Dollar Whale: The Man Who Fooled Wall Street, Hollywood, and the World (Bradley Hope and Tom Wright • Hachette • 2018) 19:00 "Revealed: The Country that Secretly Wiretapped the World for the FBI" (404 Media • Sep 2023) 38:00 "Follow The Bitcoins: How We Got Busted Buying Drugs on Silk Road’s Black Market" (Andy Greenberg • Forbes • Sep 2013) 41:00 "Hundreds of Bounty Hunters Had Access to AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint Customer Location Data for Years" (Motherboard • Feb 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tavi Gevinson is a writer, actor, and the founder of Rookie. Her new zine is Fan Fiction. “Stories are unstable, and memory is unstable, and identity is unstable. All of these things that I've tried to make permanent in writing, they're actually unstable. So even though it's tempting to go, Oh, that was fake, it's more like, No, it was just temporary.” Show notes: @tavitulle tavigevinson.world Gevinson on Longform Gevinson on Longform Podcast Gevinson’s Rookie archive 10:00 Operation Shylock (Philip Roth • Simon & Schuster • 1993) 10:00 Erasure (Percival Everett • Graywolf Press • 2011) 14:00 “Taylor Swift Has No Regrets” (Elle • June 2015) 20:00 I Love Dick (Chris Kraus • Semiotext(e) • 1997) 24:00 “Who Would Tavi Gevinson Be Without Instagram?” (New York • Sept 2019) 40:00 “Editor’s Letter” (Rookie • Nov 2018) 50:00 “The Special Panic of Singing Sondheim” (New Yorker • Dec 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rachel Khong is a journalist and author whose latest novel is Real Americans. “It's about the ways in which we miss each other as human beings and can't fully communicate what it is like to be ourselves. … And I think that's what makes it so interesting to me, to work on a novel and to spend so much time trying to get down on the page what it feels like to be a human being who's alive. … I think the effort itself is what human relationships are.” Show notes: rachelkhong.com 01:00 Real Americans (Knopf • 2024) 01:00 Goodbye, Vitamin (Picador • 2017) 01:00 Lucky Peach archive 01:00 "Would Limitlessness Make Us Better Writers?" (The Atlantic • Apr 2024) 01:00 "Dust to Dust" (Eater • May 2024) 05:00 "New Pornographers + Stars, 6/25 Prospect Park Summer Stage" (Village Voice • Jun 2005) 09:00 Same Bed Different Dreams (Ed Park • Random House • 2023) 12:00 "Inside My Days as a Content Bot" (Esquire • Apr 2024) 24:00 "The Rumpus Interview with Elizabeth Gilbert" (Rumpus • Oct 2012) 24:00 Eat Pray Love (Elizabeth Gilbert • Riverhead • 2007) 24:00 Elizabeth Gilbert's GQ archive 54:00 "The Great Pacific Oyster Trail" (Eater • Jun 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kelsey McKinney is a features writer and co-owner at Defector.com. She hosts the podcast Normal Gossip and is the author of the upcoming book You Didn't Hear This From Me: (Mostly) True Notes on Gossip. “I was always very interested in how you strategize a creative career. And I think that that is an unsexy thing to talk about, right? It's much sexier to be like, Oh, I love working on my sentence-level craft, which is not true for me. But I think that a lot of a creative career is understanding it is still a job, and then understanding how you make sure that within the container of the job you can do the work that you want to do. That is a really difficult balance to make. So if you can understand how people who have done it before you, you can copy them.” Show notes: @mckinneykelsey kelseymckinney.com McKinney on Longform McKinney’s Defector archive 04:00 “Why Doesn’t Mrs. Dalloway Get a Day of Her Own?” (Slate • Jan 2000) 13:00 “Chris Evans: American Marvel” (Edith Zimmerman • GQ • July 2011) 23:00 McKinney’s Deadspin archive 31:00 God Spare the Girls (Harper Collins • 2022) 39:00 “Gossip Is Not a Sin” (New York Times • July 2021) 43:00 You Didn’t Hear This From Me (Viking • 2025) 58:00 “Learning To Play Piano When There Is No Recital” (Defector • Dec 2023) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lissa Soep is an audio producer, editor and author whose latest book is Other People’s Words: Friendship, Loss, and the Conversations that Never End. “I am so keenly aware of how much my own voice is a product of editing relationships and co-producing relationships with other people's words. … I will forever feel indebted to those then young people who are now writers and educators and therapists. … I feel like my voice is sort of a product of that time.” Show notes: 00:00 Other People’s Words: Friendship, Loss, and the Conversations that Never End (Spiegel & Grau • 2024) 00:00 YR Media 33:00 "Laurie Anderson Has a Message for Us Humans" (Sam Anderson • New York Times Magazine • Oct 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

PJ Vogt is the host of Search Engine. “One of our tests editorially is if we think we’ve got something good, but we haven’t started reporting or recording on it, I’ll just try asking the question at dinner and stuff. If it derails conversations, that’s a really good sign.” Show notes: @PJVogt Vogt’s Substack Vogt on Longform Podcast 03:00 “Why Are There So Many Illegal Weed Stores in New York City? (Part 1)” (Search Engine • Mar 2024) 03:00 “Why Are There So Many Illegal Weed Stores in New York City? (Part 2)” (Search Engine • April 2024) 03:00 “When Do You Know It’s Time to Stop Drinking?” (Search Engine • Jan 2024) 08:00 “Why Are There So Many Chicken Bones on the Street? (Part 1)” (Search Engine • Jan 2024) 08:00 “Why Are There So Many Chicken Bones on the Street? (Part 2)” (Search Engine • Jan 2024) 13:00 “Is There a Sane Way to Use the Internet?” (Search Engine • Oct 2023) 15:00 “How Do You Survive Fame?” (Search Engine • Feb 2024) 15:00 “The Tao of Rick Rubin” (New York Times • The Ezra Klein Show • Feb 2023) 15:00 “Rick Rubin Says Trust Your Gut, Not Your Audience” (Bari Weiss • The Free Press • Mar 2023) 16:00 “Rick Rubin, The Seclusive Zen Master” (Tim Ferriss • Jan 2023) 16:00 “Frank Sinatra Has a Cold” (Gay Talese • Esquire • April 1966) 18:00 The Ezra Klein Show 18:00 Fresh Air 19:00 Crypto Island (Jigsaw Productions • 2022) 26:00 “Do Political Yard Signs Actually Do Anything?” (Search Engine • Apr 2024) 27:00 Reply All 35:00 “What’s Going on With Elon Musk?” (Search Engine • July 2023) 38:00 “What’s It Like to Go Blind? (Search Engine • July 2023) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lindsay Peoples is the editor-in-chief of The Cut. “You see so many incredible people make one mistake and lose their job or they speak out about something and then the next day something blows up. And so I do think that I often feel like I have to be so careful. And that's hard to do because I'm just naturally curious and I want to know and I want to find and explore and do the things. But I'm aware that … people think I'm too young. I'm too Black. I'm aware of all those things and I'm still going to try.” Show notes: 01:00 "Everywhere and Nowhere: What It’s Really Like to Be Black and Work in Fashion" (The Cut • Aug 2018) 09:00 The Devil Wears Prada (Fox 2000 Pictures • 2006) 29:00 David Haskell on Longform Podcast 31:00 "Should I Leave My Husband? The Lure of Divorce" (Emily Gould • The Cut • Feb 2024) 31:00 "The Day I Put $50,000 in a Shoe Box and Handed It to a Stranger" (Charlotte Cowles • The Cut • Feb 2024) 31:00 "Age Gap Relationships: The Case for Marrying an Older Man" (Grazie Sophia Christie • The Cut • Mar 2024) 50:00 "Is There Room for Fashion Criticism in a Racist Industry?" (The Cut • Aug 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jason Motlagh, a journalist and filmmaker, is a contributing editor at Rolling Stone and the founder of Blackbeard Films. He won the Polk's Sydney Schanberg Prize for “This Will End in Blood and Ashes,” an account of the collapse of order in Haiti. “Once you've gotten used to this kind of metabolism, it can be hard to walk away from it. Ordinary life can be a little flat sometimes. And so that's always kind of built in. I accept that. I think I've just tried to be more honest about like, [am I taking this risk] because I need a bump my life? Or do you really believe in what you're doing? And I feel like I really do need to believe in the purpose of the story. There has to be some motivation greater than myself." This is the last in a series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brian Howey is a freelance journalist who won the Polk Award for Justice Reporting after exposing a deceptive police tactic widely used in California. He began the project, which was eventually published by the Los Angeles Times and Reveal, as a graduate student in the UC Berkeley Graduate School of Journalism. “It’s one thing to hear about this tactic and hear about parents being questioned in this way. It’s another thing entirely to hear the change in a parent’s voice when they realize for the past 20 minutes they’ve been speaking ill of a relative who’s actually been dead the entire time, and to hear that wave of grief and sometimes that feeling of betrayal that cropped up in their voice and how the way that they spoke to the officers afterwards changed.” This is the fourth in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Meribah Knight is a reporter with Nashville Public Radio. She won the Polk Award for Podcasting for “The Kids of Rutherford County,” produced with ProPublica and Serial, which revealed a shocking approach to juvenile discipline in one Tennessee county. “Where does it leave me? It leaves me with a searing anger that is going to propel me to the next thing. But we’ve made some real improvement. And that’s worth celebrating. That’s worth recognizing and saying, This work matters, people are paying attention.” This is the third in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jesse Coburn is an investigative reporter at Streetsblog. He won the Polk Award for Local Reporting for "Ghost Tags," his series on the black market for temporary license plates. “You can imagine this having never become a problem, because it’s so weird. What a weird scam. I’m going to print and sell tens of thousands of paper license plates. But someone figured it out. And then a lot more people followed. It just exploded.” This is the second in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amel Guettatfi and Julia Steers won this year's George Polk Award for Television Reporting for “Inside Wagner,” their Vice News investigation of Russian mercenaries on the Ukraine front and in the Central African Republic.  “One of the best takeaways I got from seven or eight years at Vice is that it’s not enough for something to be important when you’re figuring out how to make a story. It’s the intersection of important and interesting. And that has taught me that people will watch anything, anywhere, as long as it’s interesting. Nobody owes us their time. The onus is on us to explain things in an interesting, compelling way. I’m hoping that a landscape opens up somewhere else that sees that and understands that can be done anywhere in the world.” This is the first in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Vinson Cunningham is a staff writer for The New Yorker. His novel, published in March 2024, is Great Expectations. “I think the job is just paying a bunch of attention. If you're a person like me, where thoughts and worries are intruding on your consciousness all the time, it is a great relief to have something to just over-describe and over-pay-attention to—and kind of just give all of your latent, usually anxious attention to this one thing. That, to me, is a great joy.” Show notes: @vcunningham vinson.nyc Cunningham on Longform Cunningham's New Yorker archive 04:00 "’The Suit’ at BAM" (Brooklyn Paper • Jan 2013) 04:00 "Label Maker: Edward Buchanan" (Nylon Guys • Mar 2015) 09:00 circlejerk.live 11:00 Jeremy O. Harris’ plays 11:00 "How Are Audiences Adapting to the Age of Virtual Theatre?" (New Yorker • Oct 2020) 18:00 "The Season of Russell Westbrook and a New Era in N.B.A. Fandom" (New Yorker • Apr 2017) 25:00 Cunningham's McSweeney’s archive 25:00 "The Flies in Kehinde Wiley’s Milk" (The Awl • Jun 2015) 25:00 "Can Black Art Ever Escape the Politics of Race?" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2015) 25:00 "How Chris Jackson is Building a Black Literary Movement" (New York Times Magazine • Feb 2016) 27:00 "Stephon Marbury Has His Own Story to Tell" (New Yorker • Apr 2020) 28:00 "The Playful, Political Art of Sanford Biggers" (New Yorker • Jan 2018) 29:00 WTF with Marc Maron 32:00 "Tracy Morgan Turns the Drama of His Life into Comedy" (New Yorker • May 2019) 36:00 Redd Foxx party albums 38:00 Alexandra Schwartz’ New Yorker archive 41:00 Simon Parkin on Longform 41:00 Adrian Chen on Longform 42:00 "The Many Lives of Steven Yeun" (Jay Caspian Kang • New York Times Magazine • Feb 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Megan Kimble is the former executive editor of The Texas Observer and has written for The New York Times, Texas Monthly, and The Guardian. Her new book is City Limits: Infrastructure, Inequality, and the Future of America’s Highways. “I have never lived in a city that was not wrapped in highways. It’s hard for me to imagine anything else. And I think that’s true for a lot of people today. ... [But] we have known since the origins of the interstate highways program that building highways through cities doesn’t fix traffic. And yet we keep doing it. To me, that really fueled a lot of the book. It wasn’t supposed to be this way.” Show notes: @megankimble megankimble.com Kimble on Longform Kimble’s Texas Observer archive 11:00 Kimble’s Austin Monthly archive 13:00 “Austin’s Not-So-Fair Housing Market” (Austin Monthly • Sept 2018) 49:00 “The Road Home” (Texas Observer • July 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Zach Harris is a journalist whose latest article for Rolling Stone is "Meet the Gen Z Hothead Burning Up Pro Bowling." “I'm not like a staff writer who has … status and access. But if I come up with something fun that you've never heard of that might connect to the larger culture, then it kind of hits a nerve and a sweet spot for me. Someone like a pro skateboarder or a pro bowler, you guys have never heard of. And so being able to present a person and a culture and a world to a wider audience, I think suits me well and has been really a fun way to do profiles.” Show notes: 00:00 "Meet the Gen Z Hothead Burning Up Pro Bowling" (Rolling Stone • Jan 2024) 01:00 "The Most Amazing Bowling Story Ever" (Michael J. Mooney • D Magazine • Jan 2000) 02:00 Longform's bowling archive 13:00 Harris’s Vice archive 26:00 Thrasher Magazine 28:00 Harris’s High Times archive 29:00 amandachicagolewis.com 31:00 Palo Alto: A History of California, Capitalism, and the World (Malcolm Harris • Little, Brown and Company • 2023) 33:00 firstwefeast.com 36:00 "Pandora’s Bag: Rap Snacks Are Proof that Time Is a Flat Circle" (Vice • Jun 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rozina Ali is a contributing writer for The New York Times Magazine and the winner of the 2023 National Magazine Award for Reporting. Her latest article is “Raised in the West Bank, Shot in Vermont.” “I think it’s very, very important to speak to people as people. To speak to sources—even if you have the juiciest story—to really give them the grace. I think everyone deserves it, especially people who are going through such a difficult time.” Show notes: @rozina_ali rozina-ali.com Ali’s New York Times archive 16:00 “The Erasure of Islam from the Poetry of Rumi” (New Yorker • Jan 2017) 17:00 “The ‘Herald Square Bomber’ Who Wasn’t” (New York Times Magazine • April 2021) 25:00 “Marijuana Comes to Coalinga” (The Nation • Nov 2018) 29:00 “‘How Did This Man Think He Had the Right to Adopt This Baby?’” (New York Times Magazine • Nov 2022) 43:00 “The Afghan Women Left Behind” (New Yorker • Aug 2022) 46:00 “What Rashida Tlaib Represents” (New York Times Magazine • March 2022) 61:00 “The ISIS Beat” (The Drift • April 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Derek Thompson is a staff writer for The Atlantic and host of the podcast Plain English. “I am an inveterate dilettante. I lose interest in subjects all the time. Because what I find interesting about my job is the invitation to solve mysteries. And once you solve one, two, three mysteries in a space, then the meta-mystery of that space begins to dim. And all these other subjects—that's the new unlit space that needs the flashlight. And that's the part of the job that I love the most: that there are so many dark corners in the world. And I've just got this flashlight, and I can just shine it wherever the hell I want.” Show notes: @DKThomp Thompson's Atlantic archive 00:00 Hit Makers: How to Succeed in an Age of Distraction (Penguin • 2018) 00:00 Plain English with Derek Thompson (The Ringer) 05:00 "Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out" (The Atlantic • Feb 2024) 18:00 "The Americans Who Need Chaos" (The Atlantic • Feb 2024) 23:00 "America’s Loneliness Epidemic Comes for the Restaurant" (The Atlantic • Mar 2024) 35:00 "Stop Trying to Ask 'Smart Questions'" (The Atlantic • Jan 2023) 39:00 "The Future of Everything With Derek Thompson" (The Bill Simmons Podcast • Feb 2024) 40:00 "What Many Economists (and I) Got Wrong About This Economy" (Plain English • Mar 2024) 43:00 "How Hollywood’s Hit Formula Flopped—and What Could Come Next" (Plain English • Mar 2024) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tessa Hulls is a writer and artist whose work has appeared in The Rumpus, The Washington Post, and The Capitol Hill Times. Her new book, a graphic memoir, is Feeding Ghosts. “This project is the thing I have spent my entire life running from. I was incredibly determined to never touch this, either personally or professionally. … It was more an eventual act of resignation than a desire.” Show notes: @tessahulls tessahulls.com 17:00 Persepolis (Marjane Satrapi • Pantheon • 2004) 19:00 richardscarry.com 32:00 The Margery Davis Boyden Wilderness Writing Residency 36:00 “Longform Podcast #144: Cheryl Strayed” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sloane Crosley is the author of I Was Told There’d Be Cake and several other books. Her new memoir is Grief Is for People. “You take a little sliver of yourself and you offer it up to be spun around in perpetuity in the public imagination. That is the sacrifice you make. And it makes everything just a little bit worse. So it's the opposite of catharsis, but it's worth it. It's worth it for what you get in return: a book.” Show notes: sloanecrosley.com @askanyone Longform Podcast #343: Sloane Crosley 01:00 Grief Is for People (MCD • 2024) 14:00 Heartburn (Nora Ephron • Vintage • 1996) 25:00 "Patchett: In Bad Relationships, 'There Comes A Day When You Gotta Go.'" (Fresh Air with Terry Gross • WHYY • Jan 2014) 25:00 Joan Didion on Fresh Air with Terry Gross 25:00 "Long COVID, Chronic Illness & Searching For Answers" (Fresh Air with Terry Gross • WHYY • Feb 2022) 32:00 "Obituary: Russell Perreault, V-P at Vintage Anchor, 52" (Rachel Deahl • Publishers Weekly • Jul 2019) 37:00 The Clasp (Picador • 2016) 49:00 How Did You Get This Number (Riverhead Books • 2011) 51:00 "Five O’Clock Somewhere" (Gary Indiana • Granta • Feb 2024) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lauren Markham is the author of The Far Away Brothers: Two Young Migrants and the Making of an American Life and has written for The New York Times Magazine, The Guardian, and VQR. Her new book is A Map of Future Ruins: On Borders and Belonging. “It took me a while to figure out that this is actually a book about storytelling, about journalistic storytelling, about the kind of myths we spin culturally and politically, about history, about current events, and the role of journalism within all of that, and my role as a journalist.” Show notes: @LaurenMarkham_ laurenmarkham.info Markham on Longform 01:00 The Far Away Brothers (Crown • 2018) 03:00oaklandinternational.org 28:00 How the Word Is Passed (Clint Smith • Little, Brown and Company • 2021) 38:00 “How Greece Secretly Adopted the World’s Most Brazen—and Brutal—Way of Keeping Out Refugees” (Mother Jones • March 2022) 44:00 “For Me, With Love and Squalor” (Longreads • June 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Zoë Schiffer is the managing editor for Platformer. Her new book is Extremely Hardcore: Inside Elon Musk’s Twitter. “Being the person where it's a fireable offense to leak to you … is kind of a badge of honor.” Show notes: zoeschiffer.com Schiffer's Platformer archive Extremely Hardcore: Inside Elon Musk’s Twitter (Portfolio • 2024) 03:00 Schiffer's Verge archive 08:00 "How Twitter’s child porn problem ruined its plans for an OnlyFans competitor" (Zoë Schiffer and Casey Newton • Verge • Aug 2022) 16:00 Going Infinite: The Rise and Fall of a New Tycoon (Michael Lewis • W. W. Norton • 2023) 36:00 Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future (Ashlee Vance • Ecco • 2017) 41:00 Ask a Swole Woman (Casey Johnston) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris Ryan is the editorial director for The Ringer, where he co-hosts The Watch and The Rewatchables. “There is a point where there’s just too much stuff. I can’t read a 5,000-word feature, 10 blog posts, and listen to three podcasts, and then do it all again the next day. So that is the line you walk in digital publishing, whether it’s for editorial stuff or for podcasting. You have to accept the fact that there is not going to be a single person out there who listens to it all, and who can read it all, and who can watch it all. But you can imbue everything you do with a certain quality—both like a personality, characteristic quality, but also like a quality of production—that hopefully anybody who does like this kind of thing will find some value in it.” Show notes: @ChrisRyan77 Ryan’s Ringer archive 3:00Andy Greenwald on Longform Podcast 3:00 Ryan’s Grantland archive 05:00 Ryan’s Spin archive 05:00 Ryan’s Fader archive 05:00 Ryan’s Village Voice archive 06:00 chaunceybillups.blogspot.com 27:00 The Ringer’s Philly Special (The Ringer • 2022) 45:00 Fairway Rollin’ (The Ringer • 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Patricia Evangelista is a trauma journalist whose coverage of the drug war in the Philippines has appeared in Rappler, Esquire, and elsewhere. Her recent book is Some People Need Killing: A Memoir of Murder in My Country. “It is hard to describe the beat I do without saying very often it involves people who have died. And it seemed like an unfair way to frame it. It didn't quite seem right. … Sometimes there's no dead body, or sometimes there's 6,000, but the function is the same: that the people you speak to have gone through enormous painful trauma, and then there's a way to cover it that minimizes that trauma. So … I don't cover the dead. I cover trauma.” Show notes: Evangelista's Rappler archive Some People Need Killing: A Memoir of Murder in My Country (Random House • 2023) 01:00 The Mastermind: A True Story of Murder, Empire, and a New Kind of Crime Lord (Evan Ratliff • Random House • 2020) 11:00 Evangelista's Philippine Daily Inquirer archive 21:00 "The Rapture of Rodrigo Duterte" (Patricia Evangelista and Nicole Curato • Rappler • May 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Susan Glasser, the former editor of Politico and Foreign Policy, writes the "Letter from Washington" column for the The New Yorker. Her most recent book, written with Peter Baker, is The Divider: Trump in the White House, 2017-2021. “There’s a great benefit to leaving Washington and then coming back, or frankly leaving anywhere and then coming back. I think you have much wider open eyes. Washington, like a lot of company towns, takes on a logic of its own, and things that can seem crazy to the rest of the country, to the rest of the world, somehow end up making more sense than they should when you’re just doing that all day long, every day.” Show notes: @sbg1 Glasser on Longform Glasser’s New Yorker archive 05:00 “The Year We Stopped Being Able to Pretend About Trump” (New Yorker • Dec 2023) 16:00 Glasser’s Politico archive 20:00 The Man Who Ran Washington (Glasser and Peter Baker • Anchor • 2021) 28:00 Peter Baker's New York Times archive 29:00 Kremlin Rising (Glasser and Peter Baker • Scribner • 2005) 37:00Theo Baker on the Longform Podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rob Copeland is a finance reporter for The New York Times. His recent book is The Fund: Ray Dalio, Bridgewater Associates, and the Unraveling of a Wall Street Legend. “If I stab you, I'm going to stab you in the chest, not the back. You're going to see it coming. ... But if you're going to tell me something's wrong, you have to keep talking. I'm not going to take your word for it. I have a reason for why I believe my reporting to be true, and I'm going to present it to you as best I can. But just because you say something's wrong doesn't make it so.” Show notes: @realrobcopeland Copeland's New York Times archive Copeland’s Wall Street Journal archive 02:00 The Fund: Ray Dalio, Bridgewater Associates, and the Unraveling of a Wall Street Legend (St. Martin’s Press • 2023) 20:00 The Vow (HBO) 27:00 Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup (John Carreyou • Vintage • 2020) 29:00 "#557: Adam Grant" (Longform Podcast • Nov 2023) 29:00 Originals: How Non-Conformists Move the World (Adam Grant • Penguin Books • 2017) 31:00 "Elon Musk Says He Lives in a $50,000 House. He Doesn’t Talk About the Austin Mansion." (Wall Street Journal • Dec 2021) 37:00 Principles: Life and Work (Ray Dalio • Avid Reader Press • 2017) 46:00 Going Infinite: The Rise and Fall of a New Tycoon (Michael Lewis • W. W. Norton & Company • 2023) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Miles Johnson is an investigative reporter for the Financial Times. He is the author of Chasing Shadows: A True Story of Drugs, War and the Secret World of International Crime and the host of Hot Money: The New Narcos. “I’m really fascinated always by the ways in which people just have to do really boring parts of running a crime organization … I love the banalities of this stuff. We have a fictionalized version of crime groups and it’s obviously glamorous, and they’re really smart, but there’s a lot of stuff that’s bumbling incompetence as well or just quite unglamorous.” Show notes: @MilesMJohnson Johnson’s Financial Times archive 06:00 Johnson’s Guardian archive 07:00 Paul Murphy’s Financial Times archive 9:00 “How the Mafia Infiltrated Italy’s Hospitals and Laundered the Profits Globally” (Financial Times • July 2020) 14:00 “The Mystery of the Mogul, the Casino and the Heist that Rocked Mayfair” (Financial Times • May 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hua Hsu is a staff writer for The New Yorker. His book Stay True won the 2023 Pulitzer Prize for memoir. “I've worked as a journalist … for quite a while. … But this [book] was the thing that was always in the back of my mind. Like, this was the thing that a lot of that was in service of. Just becoming better at describing a song or describing the look of someone's face—these were all things that I implicitly understood as skills I needed to acquire. ... It is sort of an origin story for why I got so obsessive about writing.” Show notes: @huahsu byhuahsu.com Hsu on Longform Hsu on Longform Podcast Hsu's New Yorker archive 03:00 A Floating Chinaman: Fantasy and Failure Across the Pacific (Harvard University Press • 2016) 30:00 "Randall Park Breaks Out of Character" (New Yorker • Feb 2023) 33:00 Shortcomings (Adrian Tomine • Drawn & Quarterly • 2007) 39:00 "What Conversation Can Do For Us" (New Yorker • Mar 2023) 39:00 "J. Crew and the Paradoxes of Prep" (New Yorker • Mar 2023) 39:00 "The Many Afterlives of Vincent Chin" (New Yorker • Jun 2022) 39:00 "How Wayne Wang Faces Failure" (New Yorker • Jun 2022) 39:00 "Maxine Hong Kingston’s Genre-Defying Life and Work" (New Yorker • Jun 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Roxanna Asgarian is the author of We Were Once a Family: A Story of Love, Death, and Child Removal in America. “Every once in a while, I'll have someone just freak out at me. And it keeps you honest, in a way, because they don't owe you anything. People don't owe you anything as a journalist. ... But everyone reacts to trauma differently and some people really do want to talk about it. And I think the families in this book really wanted to talk about it and it felt like no one was even paying attention to them.” Show notes: @strawburriez Asgarian's Texas Tribune archive We Were Once a Family: A Story of Love, Death, and Child Removal in America (Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2023) 12:00 "Child in viral Portland police hug photo missing, 5 family members dead after California cliff crash" (Shane Dixon Kavanaugh • The Oregonian • Mar 2018) 12:00 "Devonte Hart family crash: Sarah Hart sent alarming 3 a.m. text to friend ... then silence" (Shane Dixon Kavanaugh • The Oregonian • Apr 2018) 13:00 "Devonte Hart family crash: 'It's just devastating,' says aunt who fought for custody" (Roxanna Asgarian and Shane Dixon Kavanaugh • The Oregonian • Apr 2018) 34:00 "Devonte Hart's biological mom: They gave my kids 'to monsters'" (The Oregonian • Apr 2018) 45:00 "Before Children’s Grisly Deaths, A Family Fought for Them and Lost" (The Appeal • Jul 2018) 45:00 "A Mother Grapples with an Adoption that Led to Deaths" (The Appeal • Feb 2019) 45:00 "His siblings were killed by their adoptive mother. He was left in foster care to suffer a more common fate." (Washington Post • Dec 2019) 46:00 Broken Harts (Glamour and HowStuffWorks • 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Daisy Alioto is a journalist and the CEO of Dirt Media. “I don't think I was ever super precious about my writing, but if I was, I'm zero percent precious about it now. Every time I write for Dirt, it saves the company money. ... Nothing will make you sit down and write 800 words in 20 minutes than just needing to get it done. And that is a change that I've seen in myself. I would encourage everyone to be less precious about their writing.” Show notes: daisyalioto.com 00:00 Dirt 09:00 "Marie Colvin’s Private War" (Marie Brenner • Vanity Fair • Jul 2012) 09:00 A Private War (Acacia Filmed Entertainment, Savvy Media Holdings, Thunder Road Pictures • 2018) 05:00 Airmail 11:00 "Pretend it’s a living" (Dirt • Jan 2021) 15:00 Prune 16:00 Hung Up (Hunter Harris) 16:00 Maybe Baby (Hayley Nahman) 16:00 Today in Tabs (Rusty Foster) 16:00 Blackbird Spyplane (Jonah Weiner and Erin Wylie) 16:00 Singal-Minded (Jesse Singal) 17:00 "The Complete History & Strategy of LVMH" (Acquired • Feb 2023) 24:00 "Grizzly man" (Amelia K. • Dirt • Jun 2023) 24:00 "The Question of U" (Amelia K. • Dirt • Nov 2023) 25:00 "Diary of a chess tournament" (Akram Herrak • Dirt • Nov 2023) 25:00 "The sound of your voice" (Joann Plockova • Dirt • Nov 2023) 25:00 "For the love of chickens" (Tove Danovich • Dirt • Sep 2023) 26:00 "Bad waitress" (Becca Schuh • Dirt • Jun 2023) 28:00 "Užupis Utopia" (Playboy • Dec 2019) 35:00 Someone Who Isn’t Me (Geoff Rickly • Rose Books • 2023) 37:00 Fragantica 37:00 "Bottle Elizabeth Taylor" (Daisy Alioto • Dirt • Jun 2023) 39:00 The Ugly History of Beautiful Things: Essays on Desire and Consumption (Katy Kelleher • Simon & Schuster • 2023) 41:00 Scent + Song (Vivian Medithi) 44:00 Axios 44:00 The Information 44:00 Punchbowl News 44:00 The Ankler 44:00 Semafor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ian Coss is a journalist, audio producer, and composer. He is the host of Forever is a Long Time and The Big Dig. “One thing that I really carried with me in making the show is a belief that bureaucracy is interesting. And that once you get through the jargon and wonky sounding stuff … beyond that it’s all just human drama.” Show notes: @ian_coss iancoss.com 32:00 Isabel Hibbard’s website 33:00 Forever is a Long Time (PRX • 2021) 37:00 Lacy Roberts’ website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mosi Secret has written for ProPublica, The New York Times Magazine, and GQ. His new podcast is Radical. “I think this story made me call on parts of myself that are not journalistic because I don’t really think that’s the way we’re going to get out of this at this point in my life. I think that it takes a more radical reimagining of who we are as human beings, the ways in which we’re connected, and what we owe to each other. And that’s not a reporting thing—that’s a ‘who are you’ kind of thing.” Show notes: mosisecret.com Secret on Longform Secret’s New York Times archive 10:00 “Stolen Youth: How Durham's Criminal Justice System Sent Erick Daniels to Prison Based on the Shape of His Eyebrows” (INDYWeek • May 2007) 18:00 “On the Brink in Brownsville” (New York Times Magazine • May 2014) 21:00 “‘The Way to Survive It Was to Make A’s’” (New York Times Magazine • September 2017) 23:00 Johnny Kauffman’s website 28:00 “Having a Drink With Mosi Secret, the New York Times’ First-Ever Sin and Vice Reporter” (Joe Coscarelli • New York Magazine • June 2014) 29:00 “Behind the Red Door” (New York Times • May 2014) 38:00 “The Real 'CSI': How America’s Patchwork System of Death Investigations Puts the Living at Risk” (A.C. Thompson • ProPublica • Feb 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mary Roach is the author of seven nonfiction books, including Fuzz: When Nature Breaks the Law. "In these realms of the taboo, there's a tremendous amount of material that is really interesting, but that people have stayed away from. ... I'm kind of a bottom feeder. It's down there on the bottom where people don't want to go. But if that's what it takes to find interesting, new material, I'm fine with it. I don't care. I'm not easily grossed out. I don't feel that there's any reason why we shouldn't look at this. And over time, I started to feel that ... the taboo was preventing people from having conversations that it would be healthy to have." Show notes: @mary_roach maryroach.net Roach on Longform 00:00 Fuzz: When Nature Breaks the Law (W.W. Norton • 2021) 01:00 Stiff: The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers (W.W. Norton • 2003) 01:00 Bonk: The Curious Coupling of Science and Sex (W.W. Norton • 2008) 01:00 Packing for Mars: The Curious Science of Life in the Void (W.W. Norton • 2010) 01:00 Gulp: Adventures on the Alimentary Canal (W.W. Norton • 2014) 02:00 "Cute Inc." (Wired • Dec 1999) 12:00 Roach's Salon archive 46:00 "Hot Seat" (Discover • Mar 1998) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Craig Mod is a writer and photographer who has two newsletters, Roden and Ridgeline. His new book is Things Become Other Things. “There'll be days where … I’m doing a walk and I'll just be like, I don't know what is going to move me today. And then out of the blue, there'll be this small interaction that when you really pay attention to it, it contains kind of this universe of kindness and patience that you otherwise pass by or ignore. If you're in the general mode of looking at things and then being able to take that experience and try to transmute it into an essay for the evening and send it out, it just develops your eye. You just start being able to look more and more and more closely.” Show notes: craigmod.com Things Become Other Things (Fine art edition • 2023 // Hardcover edition • Random House • 2025) Roden (Newsletter) Ridgeline (Newsletter) 1:00 Mod on Longform Podcast 6:30 Koya Bound: Eight Days on the Kumano Kodō (with Dan Rubin • PRE/POST • 2016) 16:00 Kiiiiiiiiiiiiii 16:00 Special Projects (Newsletter) 20:00 Kissa by Kissa (2020) 31:00 Pachinko Road (Pop Up Newsletter) 32:00 "I Walked 600 Miles Across Japan for Pizza Toast" (Eater • Dec 2019) 32:00 "The Glorious, Almost-Disconnected Boredom of My Walk in Japan" (Wired • May 2019) 45:00 Longform Podcast #533: Hua Hsu (May 2023) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mona Chalabi is a writer and illustrator whose work has appeared in The New York Times, The New Yorker, and The Guardian, where she is the data editor. Her New York Times Magazine piece “9 Ways to Imagine Jeff Bezos’ Wealth” won this year’s Pulitzer Prize for Illustrated Reporting. “I kind of think of protest as just saying what you believe. And sometimes, it’s considered protest because it’s outside of the institutions of power. So you’re saying, Hey, Palestinians deserve human rights, and that’s considered a form of protest, right? I want the work to change things and I think I’m quite unapologetic about that, and most journalists are like No no no no no, we’re just reporting the world, we’re just reporting things as we see it. There’s no desire for change. I think that is so messed up. This idea that your work has no impact in the world is incorrect. You can’t wash yourself of the consequences of the work, you have to be considering the consequences while you’re doing it.” Show notes: monachalabi.com Chalabi on Instagram Chalabi's Guardian archive 1:00 "9 Ways to Imagine Jeff Bezos' Wealth" (New York Times Magazine • Apr 2022) 1:00 "How Does the Reality TV Show Cops Stack Up with Real-Life Crime Figures?" (The Guardian • May 2019) 6:00 "Striving For Justice: Lowkey in Conversation with Mona Chalabi" (GQ • Jun 2023) 8:30 "NY Times Writers Jazmine Hughes & Jamie Keiles Resign After Signing Letter Against Israeli War on Gaza" (Democracy Now! • Nov 2023) 8:30 Samira Nasr on Instagram 8:30 "Inside MSNBC’s Middle East Conflict" (Max Tani • Semafor • Oct 2023) 16:00 "Mentions of Israeli and Palestinian Deaths in The New York Times" (Instagram • Oct 2023) 18:00 "Circumcision Rates" (Instagram • Oct 2025) 21:00 New America Fellow 21:00 Emerson Collective 21:00 "The Gray-Green Divide" (Brooklyn Museum • Jun-Dec 2022) 21:00 "Am I Normal? with Mona Chalabi" (TED Audio Collective) 54:00 Muntadhar al-Zaidi 54:00 Longform Podcast #276: Azmat Khan 54:00 Yousur Al-Hlou's New York Times archive 54:00 Jazmine Hughes' New York Times archive 54:00 “Regarding the Pain of Others” (Marty Peretz • The New Republic • 1996) 54:00 Longform Podcast #553: Clare Malone Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Adam Grant is an organizational psychologist, author, and host of the podcasts Work Life and Re: Thinking. His new book is Hidden Potential: The Science of Achieving Greater Things. “If you only focus on your own interest, you tend to develop novel ideas, but not necessarily useful ideas. And so for me, the audience is a filter. … I might have 30 ideas for a book. Let me hone in on the four or five that also might be relevant to other people. The goal there is to make a contribution.” Show notes: adamgrant.net Give and Take: Why Helping Others Drives Our Success (Penguin • 2014) Originals: How Non-Conformists Move the World (Penguin • 2017) Hidden Potential: The Science of Achieving Greater Things (Viking • 2023) Work Life with Adam Grant (TED Audio Collective) Re: Thinking with Adam Grant (TED Audio Collective) Grant's New York Times archive 17:00 "The Necessity of Others is The Mother of Invention: Intrinsic and Prosocial Motivations, Perspective Taking, and Creativity" (Adam Grant and James Berry • Academy of Management • Nov 2017) 22:00 "It's Not the Ideas You Create, It's Which Ones You Choose" (Leigh Buchanan • Inc. • Feb 2016) 40:00 Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don’t Know (Viking • 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jesse David Fox covers comedy for Vulture, where he hosts the podcast Good One. His new book is Comedy Book: How Comedy Conquered Culture—and the Magic That Makes It Work. “There’s a complete lack of anyone who’s ever written about comedy seriously compared to any other art form. There’s just nothing. … So the challenge was, how do you start a conversation that no one has been participating in?” Show notes: @JesseDavidFox Fox’s Vulture archive 3:00 Jason Zinoman’s New York Times archive 5:00 “What Is the Best Adam Sandler Movie?” (Vulture • April 2023) 6:00 Kathryn VanArendonk’s Vulture archive 8:00 “A Note About Splitsider” (Megh Wright• Vulture • Mar 2018) 11:00 “Jerry Seinfeld at Vulture Festival 2015” (Vulture • June 2015) 12:00 WTF with Marc Maron Podcast (Marc Maron • WTF • 2009) 14:00 “Jen Kirkman Turned Catcalling Into One of the Best Street Harassment Jokes Ever” (Vulture • April 2017) 23:00 “An Appreciation of the Button-Down Mind of Bob Newhart” (Ramsey Ess • Vulture • Mar 2018) 23:00 “Maria Bamford Wants to Tell You How Much Money She Makes” (Vulture • Oct 2017) 23:00 “How Funny Does Comedy Need to Be?” (Vulture • Sep 2018) 23:00 “Michelle Wolf on Correspondents Dinner, Social Media” (Vulture • Mar 2020) 23:00 “Disgust is Tom Segura’s Love Language” (Vulture • Sept 2022) 23:00 “The Story Behind Bert Kreischer’s ‘Machine’ Joke” (Vulture • May 2023) 23:00 “Katt Williams Explains Jacksonville Florida” (Katt Williams • Netflix • Jan 2020) 36:00 “How the Internet and a New Generation of Superfans Helped Create the Second Comedy Boom” (Vulture • Mar 2015) 37:00 Las Culturistas (Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang • iHeartRadio • 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Evan Hughes is a journalist whose work has appeared in The New York Times Magazine, GQ, The Atlantic, The Atavist and many others. His book, just out in paperback, is Pain Hustlers: Crime and Punishment at an Opioid Startup. “It should be called slow-form journalism…. It is heavily edited. It’s heavily fact checked. And chances are, you’re not going to be the first. Maybe you’re going to be first to reveal some piece of it. I have made peace with like, I’m not the scoop guy. I’m the person who comes in and I’m good at telling the story in a thorough and deep way.” Show notes: evanhughes.co Pain Hustlers: Crime and Punishment at an Opioid Startup (Anchor • 2023) 03:00 "Longform Podcast #503: Evan Osnos" (Longform Podcast • Sep 2022) 03:00 "The Trials of White Boy Rick" (Atavist • Sep 2014) 04:00 "The Shocking True Tale of the Mad Genius Who Invented Sea-Monkeys" (The Awl • Jun 2011) 06:00 "Just Kids" (New York Magazine • Oct 2011) 07:00 Literary Brooklyn: The Writers of Brooklyn and the Story of American City Life (Holt • 2011) 12:00 "The Fugitive, His Dead Wife, and the 9/11 Conspiracy Theory That Explains Everything" (GQ • Jun 2016) 20:00 "Trial by Fire" (David Grann • New Yorker • Aug 2009) 25:00 Opioids, Inc. (Frontline • 2021) 25:00 The Crime of the Century (HBO • 2021) 47:00 Pain Hustlers (Netflix • 2023) 54:00 White Boy Rick (LBI Productions • 2018) 60:00 Moneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game (Michael Lewis • W.W. Norton • 2004) 60:00 Moneyball (Columbia Pictures • 2011) 61:00 "The Man Who Moves Markets" (Atlantic • Mar 2023) 63:00 "Bringing Down the Hachette" (Slate • May 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yepoka Yeebo has written for The Guardian, Bloomberg Businessweek, and Quartz. Her new book is Anansi’s Gold: The Man Who Looted the West, Outfoxed Washington, and Swindled the World. “Initially it was like, Why are you writing about a con man? He makes Ghana look bad. Nobody needs another crime story about an African person. I found that irritating, because isn't the whole point of being a complete person, complete people, is we contain multitudes? We too can be epic, world-leading con men! Also, it's a great story. Everybody should revel in the insanity of what happened.” Show notes: @yepoka yepokayeebo.com Yeebo on Longform Anansi’s Gold: The Man Who Looted the West, Outfoxed Washington, and Swindled the World 16:00 “The True Story of the Fake U.S. Embassy in Ghana” (The Guardian • Nov 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Clare Malone is a staff writer for The New Yorker. Her latest article is ”Hasan Minhaj’s ‘Emotional Truths.’” “You're going to work a lot of hours if you want to be successful, and you're probably not going to make as much money as your dumb friend from college does. You're choosing it for a different reason, but I do think we have to make efforts to have the [journalism] industry be a middle-class profession.” Show notes: Malone's New Yorker archive Malone's FiveThirtyEight archive 03:00 "CNN’s New White Knight" (New Yorker • Sep 2023) 08:00 "Ben Smith Can’t Say What His New Media Venture Is" (New Yorker • Jan 2022) 09:00 "How Trump Changed America" (FiveThirtyEight • Nov 2020) 18:00 Just Like Us (The Ringer • 2022) 25:00 Semafor (Newsletter) 25:00 Confider (Lachlan Cartwright • Daily Beast) 27:00 "Inside the Meltdown at CNN" (Tim Alberta • Atlantic • Jun 2023) 27:00 "What the Shakeup at CNN Says About the Future of Cable News" (New Yorker • Jun 2023) 28:00 "David Zaslav, Hollywood Antihero" (New Yorker • Aug 2023) 37:00 "Ann Selzer Is the Best Pollster in American Politics" (FiveThirtyEight • Jan 2016) 39:00 Politics Podcast (FiveThirtyEight) 48:00 The Ankler (Newsletter) 49:00 "The E-Mail Newsletter for the Mogul Set" (New Yorker • Dec 2022) 57:00 ”Hasan Minhaj’s ‘Emotional Truths’” (New Yorker • Sep 2023) 58:00 Patriot Act (Hasan Minhaj • Netflix • 2020) 61:00 "Hasan Minhaj Eyed For ‘Daily Show’ Host" (Brian Steinberg • Variety • Aug 2023) 65:00 "Episode 1273 - Hasan Minhaj" (WTF with Marc Maron • Oct 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Azam Ahmed is an international investigative correspondent for The New York Times. His new book is Fear Is Just a Word: A Missing Daughter, a Violent Cartel, and a Mother's Quest for Vengeance. “I think the fundamental question I always ask when I go into a new place, whether I’m covering currencies, or hedge funds, or geopolitics in Afghanistan, or the war—it’s what does this mean to the world right now? What does the world need to know and how does it fit into that space?” Show notes: @azamsahmed Ahmed on Longform Ahmed’s New York Times archive 20:00 “For Afghan Officials, Prospect of Death Comes with Territory” (New York Times • Dec 2012) 21:00 “A Day’s Toil in the Suicide Bombers’ Graveyard” (New York Times • Aug 2013) 21:00 “2 Afghan Sisters, Swept Up in a Suicide Wave” (New York Times • March 2013) 25:00 “She Stalked Her Daughter’s Killers Across Mexico, One by One” (New York Times • Dec 2020) 46:00 “Using Texts as Lures, Government Spyware Targets Mexican Journalists and Their Families” (New York Times • June 2017) 48:00 “In Mexico, ‘It’s Easy to Kill a Journalist’” (New York Times • April 2017) 54:00 “Kill, or Be Killed: Latin America’s Homicide Crisis” (New York Times • May 2019–Feb 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kashmir Hill is a tech reporter for The New York Times. Her new book is Your Face Belongs to Us: A Secretive Startup’s Quest to End Privacy as We Know It. “I often do feel like what my work is doing is preparing people for the way the world is going to change. With something like facial recognition technology, that's really important because if the world is changing such that every photo of you taken that's uploaded is going to be findable, it's going to change the decisions that you make.” Show notes: kashmirhill.com Hill on Longform Hill's New York Times archive Hill's Gizmodo archive Hill's Forbes archive 01:00 "Life Without the Tech Giants" (Gizmodo • Jan 2019) 01:00 "Living On Bitcoin for a Week: The Journey Begins" (Forbes • May 2013) 01:00 "Your Face Is Not Your Own" (New York Times • Mar 2021) 01:00 Your Face Belongs to Us: A Secretive Startup’s Quest to End Privacy as We Know It (Random House • 2023) 03:00 "Writer Evan Ratliff Tried to Vanish: Here’s What Happened" (Wired • Nov 2009) 11:00 Hill's Above the Law archive 16:00 Immersion: A Writer’s Guide to Going Deep (Ted Conover • University of Chicago Press • 2016) 19:00 "The House That Spied on Me" (Gizmodo • Feb 2018) 23:00 "I Used Apple AirTags, Tiles and a GPS Tracker to Watch My Husband’s Every Move" (New York Times • Feb 2022) 25:00 "Bing’s A.I. Chat: ‘I Want to Be Alive’" (Kevin Roose • New York Times • Feb 2023) 26:00 "What Our Reporter Learned Delivering Burritos to New Yorkers" (Andy Newman • New York Times • July 2019) 27:00 "A Vast Web of Vengeance" (New York Times • Jun 2023) 27:00 "The Slander Industry" (Aaron Krolik and Kashmir Hill • New York Times • Apr 2021) 55:00 Rashomon (Akira Kurosawa • 1950) 59:00 "Eight Months Pregnant and Arrested After False Facial Recognition Match" (New York Times • Aug 2023) 68:00 "Clearview’s Facial Recognition App Has Been Used By The Justice Department, ICE, Macy’s, Walmart, And The NBA" (Ryan Mac, Caroline Haskins, Logan McDonald • Buzzfeed • Feb 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Zeke Faux is an investigative reporter for Bloomberg. His new book is Number Go Up: Inside Crypto’s Wild Rise and Staggering Fall. “I have a rule of thumb, which is that if somebody did one scam, they probably did another scam. If they did one scam in the past and now they have a new thing, odds are good it’s also a scam. That’s not always true, but that was definitely borne out sometimes in crypto-world.” Show notes: @ZekeFaux zekefaux.com Faux on Longform Faux’s Bloomberg archive 06:00 “Secret Network Connects Harvard Money to Payday Loans” (Bloomberg • Sept 2014) 08:00 “Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?” (Bloomberg • Oct 2021) 21:00 Matt Levine’s Bloomberg archive 22:00 “‘Don’t You Remember Me?’ The Crypto Hell on the Other Side of a Spam Text” (Bloomberg • Aug 2023) 32:00 “The Rise of FTX, and Sam Bankman-Fried, Was a Great Story. Its Implosion Is Even Better.” (Alexandra Alter • New York Times • May 2023) 58:00 The Mastermind (Evan Ratliff • Penguin Random House • 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Reginald Dwayne Betts is a poet, lawyer, and founder of the nonprofit Freedom Reads. His New York Times Magazine article "Could an Ex-Convict Become an Attorney? I Intended to Find Out" won the National Magazine Award. His new podcast is Almost There. “I felt like I had to own becoming something and intuitively understood that if I didn't lay claim to desiring to be something, that it would be too many other forces that would be pulling on me to dictate that I become something else. … When you say you're a writer, if you know nothing else, then you know that you read. You pay attention to the world. … And prison became the metaphor by which I understood the world and poetry became the medium by which I understood what it meant to write about the world and what it meant to take seriously the responsibility to write about the world that I knew.” Show notes: dwaynebetts.com freedomreads.org 01:00 Almost There with Dwayne Betts (Emerson Collective) 05:00 The Black Poets (Dudley Randall • Bantam • 1985) 10:00 Married… with Children (Michael G. Moye and Ron Leavitt • Fox • 1987-1997) 21:00 "Scientists and Engineers" (Killer Mike • Michael • 2023) 24:00 "Could an Ex-Convict Become an Attorney? I Intended to Find Out" (New York Times Magazine • Oct 2018) 26:00 "The Language of Birds" (Anselm Kiefer • 2018) 28:00 A Question of Freedom: A Memoir of Learning, Survival, and Coming of Age in Prison (Avery • 2010) 31:00 Felon: An American Washi Tale 32:00 "Kamala Harris, Mass Incarceration and Me" (New York Times Magazine • Oct 2020) 33:00 Shahid Reads His Own Palm (Alice James Books • 2010) 33:00 Bastards of the Reagan Era (Four Way Books • 2015) 33:00 Felon (Norton • 2019) 33:00 Redaction: A Project by Titus Kaphar and Reginald Dwayne Betts (MoMA PS1 • 2019) 33:00 Redaction (Titus Kaphar and Reginald Dwayne Betts • Norton • 2023) 44:00 Creative Nonfiction Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Audie Cornish, the former host NPR’s All Things Considered, is an anchor and correspondent for CNN. Her podcast is The Assignment. “I think there is journalism inherent in an interview. Like the interview itself should be considered a piece of journalism. It isn't always. Sometimes the vibe is that it’s a little window dressing or that it's personality driven and I don't subscribe to that. I think that it has its own journalism. It's my journalism.” Show notes: @AudieCornish Cornish's NPR archive 01:00 The Assignment (CNN Audio • 2022) 25:00 "Letters: 'Music Curator' Diplo" (NPR • Jun 2012) 36:00 Cornish’s Twitter thread (Jan 2022) 43:00 Serial (Serial Productions) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Susan Burton is an editor at This American Life, the author of the memoir Empty, and the host of the podcast The Retrievals. “I know I have much more anger than I reveal, and I don’t think that’s uncommon. Especially for women. There’s been a lot of attention to that in recent years—the anger of women, how it’s expressed and not expressed. But I think that among the things I’ve stifled for years are just my true feelings, and I’ve always wanted to be close to people and to be intimate with people, and have often felt that I have trouble making myself known or being known or being understood. And so...it felt good to be known.” Show notes: @burtonsusan susanburton.net Burton on Longform Burton’s This American Life archive 01:00 “In The Event of an Emergency, Put Your Sister in an Upright Position” (Ira Glass • This American Life • Jan 2001) 05:00 Empty (Random House • 2020) 06:00 “Secrets” (This American Life • Feb 2021) 39:00 “Terry Gross and the Art of Opening Up” (New York Times • Oct 2015) 42:00 “From 'Empty' To 'Satisfied': Author Traces A Hunger That Food Can't Fix” (Terry Gross • NPR • June 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jamie Loftus is a comedian, writer, and podcaster. Her new book is Raw Dog: The Naked Truth About Hot Dogs. “Comedy has been super helpful to me because it's so based on failing every night sometimes that I wasn't afraid of failure in the same way because it's just like, Well, that's going to happen to me at some point this week. Why not in this format?” Show notes: jamieloftus.xyz 00:00 Lolita Podcast (iHeartRadio • 2020-21) 01:00 Aack Cast! (iHeartRadio • 2021) 01:00 My Year in Mensa (iHeartRadio • 2020) 01:00 Ghost Church (iHeartRadio • 2022) 01:00 Raw Dog: The Naked Truth About Hot Dogs (Forge Books • 2023) 10:00 Sarah Marshall on Longform Podcast 14:00 "Dolores Onstage" (iHeartRadio • Dec 2020) 19:00 The Bechdel Cast (Caitlin Durante and Jamie Loftus • iHeartRadio) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Javier Zamora is the author of Unaccompanied, a poetry collection, and Solito, a memoir. “There was something that I felt eating away at me, which made me a very angry and volatile teenager. And I think I was an angry teenager because I had this trauma that nobody around me could talk about, and that I didn't have the right therapist to help me unpack. So the cheapest thing that I had was poetry.” Show notes: @jzsalvipoet javierzamora.net 03:00 “Reading Neruda and Learning to Heal My Diasporic Wounds” (Lit Hub • April 2019) 18:00 Krik? Krak! (Edwidge Danticat • Soho Press • 2015) 31:00 franciscocantu.us 37:00 The Beast: Riding the Rails and Dodging Narcos on the Migrant Trail (Óscar Martínez • Verso Books • 2013) 42:00 “Zamora: It’s time for the Pulitzer Prize for literature to accept noncitizens” (Los Angeles Times • July 2023) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jennifer Senior is a staff writer for The Atlantic. Her article ”What Bobby McIlvaine Left Behind” won the 2022 Pulitzer Prize for Feature Writing. Her most recent article is ”The Ones We Sent Away.” “I'm at the point where I'm only thinking about the big questions and the difficulty of being a human as what matter most. That's what I want to keep focusing on. Our common frailties, our common bonds, our common difficulties. Because clearly we are not going to bond politically as a nation, right? … But we can bond over our kids with disabilities. About the fact that we grieve, that we love, that we lose people. That we have friends that we love, friends that we hate. We have friendships that we miss, we have friendships that we can't live without.” Show notes: jennifersenior.net Jennifer Senior on Longform Jennifer Senior on Longform Podcast 00:00 "What Bobby McIlvaine Left Behind" (Atlantic • Aug 2021) 01:00 On Grief (Atlantic Editions • 2023) 01:00 "The Ones We Sent Away" (Atlantic • Aug 2023) 02:00 All Joy and No Fun: The Paradox of Modern Parenthood (Ecco • 2014) 03:00 The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma (Bessel Van Der Kolk • Penguin • 2015) 03:00 Senior's New York Magazine archive 04:00 Being Mortal: Medicine and What Matters in the End (Atul Gawande • Picador • 2017) 05:00 Senior's New York Times archive 12:00 Unequal Childhoods: Class, Race, and Family Life (Annette Lareau • University of California Press • 2011) 17:00 Heavyweight (Jonathan Goldstein • Gimlet) 18:00 "#25 Becky and Jo" (Jonathan Goldstein • Gimlet • Oct 2019) 18:00 "#2 Gregor" (Jonathan Goldstein • Gimlet • Sep 2016) 28:00 "It’s Your Friends Who Break Your Heart" (Atlantic • Feb 2022) 42:00 Patient H.M. (Luke Dittrich • Random House • 2017) 47:00 "What Not to Ask Me About My Long COVID" (Atlantic • Feb 2023) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Casey Newton writes the Platformer newsletter. Kevin Roose is a technology columnist for The New York Times. Together they co-host the podcast Hard Fork. CN: “People actually like to be a little bit confused. They like listening to things where people are talking about things they don’t quite understand, which was very counterintuitive to me. I think a lot of editor-types would scoff at, but I’ve come around.” KR: “We can revisit subjects and we do. We can change our minds. Print pieces feel so permanent, they feel so definitive. Podcasts, we can just sort of say, ‘I don't know what to make of this, ask me again in a month.’” Show notes: @CaseyNewton @kevinroose cnewton.org kevinroose.com Newton on Longform Roose on Longform Longorm Podcast #337: Casey Newton Longform Podcast #81: Kevin Roose Newton and Roose’s Hard Fork archive Newton’s Platformer archive Roose’s New York Times archive 3:00 Newton’s Verge archive 7:00 “Elon’s X Machina, Crypto Orbs, and a Visit to Google’s Robot Lab” (Newton and Roose • New York Times • July 2023) 12:00 Huberman Lab (Andrew Huberman • Huberman Lab • 2023) 14:00 Rabbit Hole (Roose • New York Times • 2020) 25:00 Futureproof (Roose • Random House • 2022) 29:00 “ChatGPT Transforms a Classroom and Is ‘M3GAN’ Real?” (Newton and Roose • New York Times • Jan 2023) 29:00 “Dario Amodei, C.E.O. of Anthropic, on the Paradoxes of A.I. Safety and Netflix’s ‘Deep Fake Love Story’” (Newton and Roose • New York Times • July 2023) 31:00 “Google C.E.O. Sundar Pichai on Bard, A.I. ‘Whiplash’ and Competing with ChatGPT” (Newton and Roose • New York Times • March 2023) 31:00 “Mr. Altman Goes to Washington and Casey Goes on This American Life” (Newton and Roose • New York Times • May 2023) 44:00 “Aided by A.I. Language Models, Google’s Robots Are Getting Smart” (Roose • New York Times • July 2023) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jeff Goodell is a climate change writer for Rolling Stone and the author of seven books. His new book is The Heat Will Kill You First: Life and Death on a Scorched Planet. “I would not have said this even five years ago, but I have really come to see this now as a crime story. This is a kind of looting of the atmosphere of the earth, siphoning off resources and grossly profiting off of that at the expense of many other people—billions of people—on this planet. And I understand that’s a big thing to say, but I think it’s just pretty obviously true. … I don’t mean that personally that each one of them personally is a criminal. We are all complicit in this.” Show notes: @jeffgoodell jeffgoodellwriter.com Goodell on Longform Goodell’s Rolling Stone archive 11:00 “Who’s a Hero Now?” (New York Times Magazine • July 2003) 15:00 The Water Will Come (Back Bay Books • 2018) 15:00 Big Coal (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt • 2006) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Peter Shamshiri is a lawyer and co-host of the podcast 5-4. “Because of the nature of law, I think a lot of journalists find it hard to take a position—or to sort of tip their hand about what they actually believe—because so much of the discourse around how law should operate is about neutrality and the general perspective that the law is non-partisan, non-ideological. I think the result is media coverage that is particularly lacking in those regards. And that's where we swoop in.” Show notes: @The_Law_Boy 5-4 (Prologue Projects) 02:00 "Writer Evan Ratliff Tried to Vanish: Here's What Happened" (Evan Ratliff • Wired • Nov 2009) 04:00 Mic Dicta 14:00 "Bush v. Gore" (Prologue Projects • Feb 2020) 14:00 "Emergency Episode: RNC v. DNC" (Prologue Projects • Apr 2020) 15:00 "Emergency Episode: Roe Is Overturned" (Prologue Projects • Jun 2022) 16:00 "The Thomas/Crow Affair" (Prologue Projects • Apr 2023) 25:00 "The Hosts of ‘5-4’ Never Trusted the Supreme Court" (Reggie Ugwu • New York Times • Jul 2022) 37:00 Slow Burn (Prologue Projects) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Donovan X. Ramsey is a journalist and author of the new book When Crack Was King: A People’s History of a Misunderstood Era. “I've only ever wanted to write about Black people—and that includes the elements of our lives that are difficult. I’ve always prided myself on being able to metabolize that information and not really be harmed by it. And this book really taught me that writing and processing is not just something that you do in your head. That the information does go through you as you're trying to make sense of it. And it's not happening to you, right? It's not like a direct form of PTSD that you have, but you do experience some trauma when you open up your imagination in that way.” Show notes: @donovanxramsey donovanxramsey.com Ramsey on Longform Podcast When Crack Was King: A People’s History of a Misunderstood Era (One World • 2023) 02:00 Ramsey's Los Angeles Times archive 05:00 The Warmth of Other Suns (Isabel Wilkerson • Vintage • 2011) 35:00 "America’s ‘crack’ plague has roots in Nicaragua war" (Gary Webb • San Jose Mercury News • Aug 1996) 35:00 "Shadowy origins of ‘crack’ epidemic" (Gary Webb • San Jose Mercury News • Aug 1996) 35:00 "War on drugs has unequal impact on black Americans" (Gary Webb • San Jose Mercury News • Aug 1996) 45:00 The 1619 Project (Nikole Hannah-Jones et al. • New York Times • 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

David Grann is a staff writer for The New Yorker. His latest book is The Wager: A Tale of Shipwreck, Mutiny and Murder. “I became very haunted by the stories that [nations] don't tell. Nations and empires preserve their powers not only by the stories they tell, but also by the stories they leave out. … Early in my career, if I came across the silences in a story, I might not have highlighted them, because I thought, Well, there's nothing to tell there. And now I try to let the silences speak.” Show notes: @DavidGrann davidgrann.com Grann on Longform Grann on Longform Podcast #3 Grann on Longform Podcast #241 Grann on Longform Podcast #329 Grann's New Yorker archive 01:00 The Wager: A Tale of Shipwreck, Mutiny and Murder (Doubleday • 2023) 02:00 Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI (Doubleday • 2017) 28:00 The White Darkness (Doubleday • 2018) 61:00 Killers of the Flower Moon (Martin Scorsese • Appian Way, Apple Studios • 2023) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Heidi Blake is a writer for The New Yorker and the author of two books, From Russia with Blood: The Kremlin's Ruthless Assassination Program and Vladimir Putin's Secret War on the West and The Ugly Game: The Corruption of FIFA and the Qatari Plot to Buy the World Cup, with Jonathan Calvert. Her latest article is “The Fugitive Princess of Dubai.” “I definitely feel as an investigative reporter that I feel very driven by my own capacity for shock and outrage and genuinely feeling like this is unbelievable. And that kind of makes me want to keep digging. And once I stop feeling that on any given topic, I lose interest. And so I’ve always been a generalist, and I just kind of rove from one topic to the next. I’m always finding myself in new territory where I know absolutely nothing about the thing I’m starting to dig into and have to try and play catch up and get my head around something new.” Show notes: @heidiblake 24:00 From Russia with Blood (Mulholland Books • 2020) 24:00 Once Upon a Time in Londongrad (Buzzfeed Studios • 2022) 33:00 “David Cameron’s communication director in tax fraud investigation” (The Daily Telegraph • May 2011) 37:00 The Ugly Game (Blake and Jonathan Calvert • Scribner • 2017) 40:00 Blake's Buzzfeed News archive 42:00 “This Tory Donor Was Secretly Filmed Dropping Cash-Stuffed Rucksacks At Post Offices” (Blake, Michael Gillard, Tom Warren, Jane Bradley, and Richard Holmes • Buzzfeed News • Oct 2015) 45:00 “Friends of the Court” (Justin Elliott, Joshua Kaplan, and Alex Mierjeski • ProPublica • 2023) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mitchell Prothero covers intelligence and crime for Vice News. His new podcast with Project Brazen is Gateway: Cocaine, Murder, and Dirty Money in Europe. “I’m really interested in transnational networks—crime, intelligence. I’m fascinated by the gray. Like, when is something legal and when is something illegal? One thing with this Gateway project [was that] nobody could ever tell me that moment where money goes from absolutely being illegal to being legal.” Show notes: @mitchprothero Prothero on Longform Prothero’s Vice archive 01:00 “Paintballing with Hezbollah” (Vice • March 2012) 01:00 “Inside the World of ISIS Investigations in Europe” (Buzzfeed News • Aug 2016) 36:00 “The Wild Story of the Psychic, the Sheikh and the $90 Million Diamond Heist” (Vice • June 2023) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brittany Luse is the host of NPR’s It’s Been a Minute. “One of the things I love about this job is everything is practice. I love it. It's like if a show is great and everyone loves it, you gotta put on another one. You just gotta do it again. And if the show didn't quite do what you'd hoped or set out to do in your mind and in your heart, you gotta do another one. I just love it. You can never feel too good and you can never feel too bad.” Show notes: @bmluse 02:00 "#497: Sam Sanders" (Longform Podcast • Aug 2022) 02:00 "Kale-flavored Cheez-Its" (Sampler • Gimlet • Jun 2016) 03:00 It’s Been a Minute (NPR) 04:00 "Brittany goes to 'Couples Therapy;' Plus, why Hollywood might strike" (It’s Been a Minute • NPR • Apr 2023) 04:00 "Tina Turner's happy ending" (It’s Been a Minute • NPR • May 2023) 05:00 "Relationship Goals" (Sampler • Gimlet • Mar 2016) 12:00 Roald Dahl’s Matilda the Musical (Working Title Films • 2022) 24:00 The Nod (Gimlet) 25:00 "Whole Hog" (The Nod • Gimlet • Sep 2017) 27:00 "The Hairstons Part 1: Snakes on a Plantation" (The Nod • Gimlet • Dec 2017) 27:00 "The Hairstons Part 1: Diary of a Mad Black Cousin" (The Nod • Gimlet • Dec 2017) 29:00 "Hair, Laid" (The Nod • Gimlet • May 2018) 29:00 "I Want That Purple Stuff" (The Nod • Gimlet • Aug 2017) 29:00 "Big Freedia’s Bounce" (The Nod • Gimlet • Sep 2020) 29:00 "How to Show Up" (The Nod • Gimlet • Jun 2019) 32:00 For Colored Nerds (Eric Eddings and Brittany Luse) 42:00 "Quibi Is Shutting Down Barely Six Months After Going Live" (Benjamin Mullin, Joe Flint, Maureen Farrell • Wall Street Journal • Oct 2020) 44:00 "Why Am I Watching Married At First Sight Instead of Planning My Wedding?" (Harper’s Bazaar • May 2021) 46:00 "The Hard-To-Take But Smart Relationship Advice Beyoncé Has Given Us" (Refinery29 • Apr 2016) 49:00 "The Fiction of the Color Line" (Vulture • Jan 2021) 53:00 "Death of Adulthood" (For Colored Nerds • 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brady Dale covers cryptocurrency for Axios. His new book is SBF: How The FTX Bankruptcy Unwound Crypto's Very Bad Good Guy. “I am a fast writer. I’ve always been fast. I just sat down and did the math on it and I was like, If I can write 1,500 words a day, I can write this book. And I can do that.” Show notes: @BradyDale bradydale.com Dale's Axios archive 00:00 SBF: How The FTX Bankruptcy Unwound Crypto's Very Bad Good Guy (Wiley • 2023) 09:00 Dale's Observer archive 09:00 Dale's CoinDesk archive 14:00 Money: The True Story of a Made-Up Thing (Jacob Goldstein • Hachette • 2020) 16:00 Coin Talk (Aaron Lammer and Jay Caspian Kang) 16:00 Techmeme Ride Home (Ride Home Media) 24:00 "#127: Sam Bankman-Fried on taking a high-risk approach to crypto and doing good" (80,000 Hours • Apr 2022) 28:00 Going Infinite: The Rise and Fall of a New Tycoon (Michael Lewis • Norton • 2023) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lisa Belkin is a journalist and the author of four books. Her latest is Genealogy of a Murder: Four Generations, Three Families, One Fateful Night. “I didn’t experience it as luck. It—and this is going to be a little woo woo—but it really felt like these people had been sitting there for 100 years saying, Well, it took you long enough, because everything just fit together. I didn’t have to manipulate anything.” Show notes: @lisabelkin lisabelkin.com Lisa Belkin on Longform Belkin’s New York Times archive Belkin’s Yahoo News archive Belkin’s HuffPost archive 02:00 “The Odds of That” (The New York Times Magazine • Aug 2002) 09:00 Show Me a Hero (Hachette Book Group • 1999) 09:00 Show Me a Hero (David Simon • HBO • 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amy Chozick is an author, journalist, executive producer, and showrunner. Her latest feature for The New York Times is ”Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth.” “The subject thought it was a hit job. Twitter thought it was a puff piece. I don’t know, guys. … I want to explain to people what it feels like to be around someone who you know you shouldn’t believe, but you can’t help believing them because this is what their personality is like when you’re with them.” Show notes: @amychozick amychozick.com Chozick on Longform Chozick's New York Times archive 00:00 "Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth" (New York Times • May 2023) 02:00 The Dropout (ABC Audio • 2019) 06:00 "You Know the Lorena Bobbitt Story. But Not All of It." (New York Times • Jan 2019) 24:00 Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup (John Carreyou • Vintage • 2020) 49:00 The Dropout (Hulu • 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tracy Kidder is the author of eleven books, including The Soul of a New Machine and Mountains Beyond Mountains. His latest is Rough Sleepers. “I do think it’s an interesting challenge to try to write about virtue, with all that’s always mixed with it. Some writers have said it’s virtually impossible … but it’s not impossible. … People who are really trying, struggling against the odds, I think they’re worth writing about.” Show notes: tracykidder.com Kidder on Longform Kidder’s Atlantic archive 01:00 “‘You Have to Learn to Listen’: How a Doctor Cares for Boston’s Homeless” (The New York Times • Jan 2023) 06:00 “The Good Doctor” (New Yorker • July 2000) 06:00 Mountains Beyond Mountains (Random House • 2009) 19:00 Good Prose (Kidder and Richard Todd • Random House • 2013) 21:00 House (Houghton Mifflin • 1985) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hua Hsu is a staff writer for The New Yorker. His book Stay True won the 2023 Pulitzer Prize for memoir. “I've worked as a journalist … for quite a while. … But this [book] was the thing that was always in the back of my mind. Like, this was the thing that a lot of that was in service of. Just becoming better at describing a song or describing the look of someone's face—these were all things that I implicitly understood as skills I needed to acquire. ... It is sort of an origin story for why I got so obsessive about writing.” Show notes: @huahsu byhuahsu.com Hsu on Longform Hsu on Longform Podcast Hsu's New Yorker archive 03:00 A Floating Chinaman: Fantasy and Failure Across the Pacific (Harvard University Press • 2016) 30:00 "Randall Park Breaks Out of Character" (New Yorker • Feb 2023) 33:00 Shortcomings (Adrian Tomine • Drawn & Quarterly • 2007) 39:00 "What Conversation Can Do For Us" (New Yorker • Mar 2023) 39:00 "J. Crew and the Paradoxes of Prep" (New Yorker • Mar 2023) 39:00 "The Many Afterlives of Vincent Chin" (New Yorker • Jun 2022) 39:00 "How Wayne Wang Faces Failure" (New Yorker • Jun 2022) 39:00 "Maxine Hong Kingston’s Genre-Defying Life and Work" (New Yorker • Jun 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kevin Kelly is one of the founding editors of Wired, where his current title is Senior Maverick. His new book is Excellent Advice for Living: Wisdom I'd Known Earlier. “I never wrote a book because I wanted to do a good deed. I just wanted to tell a good story.” Show notes: @kevin2kelly kk.org Kelly on Longform Longform Podcast #376: Kevin Kelly Kelly’s Wired Magazine archive 13:00 The Inevitable (Penguin Books • 2017) 14:00 Vanishing Asia (Publishers Group West • 2021) 22:00 @MrBeast on TikTok 26:00 @KevinKelly on YouTube 31:00 @PessimistsArc on Twitter 39:00 “John Carmack: Doom, Quake, VR, AGI, Programming, Video Games, and Rockets” (Lex Fridman • Lex Fridman Podcast • Aug 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Terrence McCoy is The Washington Post's Rio de Janeiro Bureau Chief. He won the George Polk award for his series "The Amazon, Undone" on the illegal and often violent exploitation of the rainforest. “When I first got to Brazil, the Amazon was an arena of mystique. But after you spend a fair amount of time in the Amazon, it becomes quite clear what the struggle is—and how human that struggle is.” This is the last in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lynsey Addario is a photojournalist for The New York Times and National Geographic. She won the George Polk award for her photograph of the bodies of a woman and her two children alongside a friend who lay dying moments after a mortar struck them as they sought to flee Ukraine. "If I have time to compose a photo—even if it's of a horrific topic—I will always try to make the most beautiful photograph because I want people to look. I want people to ask questions, to be engaged, to pay attention. And often, that does mean the intersection of beauty and horror." This is the fourth in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tracy Wang and Nick Baker of CoinDesk, along with their colleague Ian Allison, won the George Polk award for reporting that led to the fall of Sam Bankman-Fried and his cryptocurrency exchange FTX. “Crypto had been kind of a backwater of reporting. It was kind of like nobody took it seriously. People didn’t know if it was a joke and they thought it was all drug dealers and fraudsters. And I was kind of thinking, well, that seems like a great place to be reporting.” This is the third in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lori Hinnant is a reporter for the Associated Press. Along with videojournalist Mstyslav Chernov, photographer Evgeniy Maloletka, and video producer Vasilisa Stepanenko, she won the George Polk Award for war reporting for covering the siege of Mariupol. “It’s really easy when you see raw footage flash by on the television to just see it as war as hell and this is very abstract. These are people with lives that were utterly ruined and they want to tell their stories. I mean, we’re not talking to people who don’t want to talk to us. And when you find out what happened the day their lives were changed, it really changes it.” This is the second in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Theo Baker is the investigations editor at The Stanford Daily. The first college student ever to win a George Polk Award, Baker received a special recognition for uncovering allegations that pioneering research co-authored by Stanford President Marc Tessier-Lavigne, a renowned neuroscientist, was supported in part by manipulated imagery. “It’s useful to intellectualize it because when you actually get going, this is something that keeps me up at night. … It’s the last thing I think about when I go to sleep, and the first thing on my mind when I wake up.” This is the first in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

David Grann is a staff writer for The New Yorker. His new book is The Wager: A Tale of Shipwreck, Mutiny and Murder. “I became very haunted by the stories that [nations] don't tell. Nations and empires preserve their powers not only by the stories they tell, but also by the stories they leave out. … Early in my career, if I came across the silences in a story, I might not have highlighted them, because I thought, Well, there's nothing to tell there. And now I try to let the silences speak.” Show notes: @DavidGrann davidgrann.com Grann on Longform Grann on Longform Podcast #3 Grann on Longform Podcast #241 Grann on Longform Podcast #329 Grann's New Yorker archive 01:00 The Wager: A Tale of Shipwreck, Mutiny and Murder (Doubleday • 2023) 02:00 Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI (Doubleday • 2017) 28:00 The White Darkness (Doubleday • 2018) 61:00 Killers of the Flower Moon (Martin Scorsese • Appian Way, Apple Studios • 2023) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Vann Newkirk II is a senior editor at The Atlantic and the host of Floodlines: The Story of an Unnatural Disaster. His new podcast is Holy Week: The Story of a Revolution Undone. “I’m often toggling between environmental justice, between the history of race and racial organization in America. And to me, they’re all one story, and I’m trying to tell the story about how the conditions of marginalization in America have made and shaped the present. That’s it. That’s one story.” Show notes: Newkirk II on Longform Newkirk II’s Atlantic archive 04:00 Floodlines (The Atlantic • 2020) 08:00 “The New Coretta Scott King: Emerging From the Legacy” (Jaqueline Trescott • The Washington Post • Jan 1978) 17:00 “I’ve Been to the Mountaintop” transcript (Martin Luther King Jr. • April 1968) 42:00 “The Battle for North Carolina” (The Atlantic • Oct 2016) 43:00 “Puerto Rico’s Environmental Catastrophe” (The Atlantic • Oct 2017) 53:00 “The Case for a Voting-Rights Amendment” (The Atlantic • Feb 2021) 53:00 “The Great Land Robbery” (The Atlantic • Sept 2019) 53:00 “Texas Voter-Fraud Claims Don’t Have to Be True to Achieve Their Goal” (The Atlantic • Feb 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Liz Hoffman, a former The Wall Street Journal reporter, is now the business and finance editor for Semafor. Her new book is Crash Landing: The Inside Story of How the World's Biggest Companies Survived an Economy on the Brink. “I think these systems are hugely important and are wielded by people who are not that accessible. If you can sort of open the aperture a little bit and unpack that and explain to people what’s going on and leave them to sort of, you know, come away with their own conclusions about the morality of the whole thing — that's where I’m most comfortable.” Show notes: @lizrhoffman Hoffman’s Semafor archive Hoffman’s Wall Street Journal archive 30:00 Ben Smith on Longform Podcast 37:00 "Microsoft eyes $10 billion bet on ChatGPT" (Hoffman and Reed Albergotti • Semafor • Jan 2023) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Roxanna Asgarian is the law and courts reporter for the Texas Tribune. Her new book is We Were Once a Family: A Story of Love, Death, and Child Removal in America. “Every once in a while, I'll have someone just freak out at me. And it keeps you honest, in a way, because they don't owe you anything. People don't owe you anything as a journalist.… But everyone reacts to trauma differently and some people really do want to talk about it. And I think the families in this book really wanted to talk about it and it felt like no one was even paying attention to them.” Show notes: @strawburriez Asgarian's Texas Tribune archive We Were Once a Family: A Story of Love, Death, and Child Removal in America (Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2023) 12:00 "Child in viral Portland police hug photo missing, 5 family members dead after California cliff crash" (Shane Dixon Kavanaugh • The Oregonian • Mar 2018) 12:00 "Devonte Hart family crash: Sarah Hart sent alarming 3 a.m. text to friend ... then silence" (Shane Dixon Kavanaugh • The Oregonian • Apr 2018) 13:00 "Devonte Hart family crash: 'It's just devastating,' says aunt who fought for custody" (Roxanna Asgarian and Shane Dixon Kavanaugh • The Oregonian • Apr 2018) 34:00 "Devonte Hart's biological mom: They gave my kids 'to monsters'" (The Oregonian • Apr 2018) 45:00 "Before Children’s Grisly Deaths, A Family Fought for Them and Lost" (The Appeal • Jul 2018) 45:00 "A Mother Grapples with an Adoption that Led to Deaths" (The Appeal • Feb 2019) 45:00 "His siblings were killed by their adoptive mother. He was left in foster care to suffer a more common fate." (Washington Post • Dec 2019) 46:00 Broken Harts (Glamour and HowStuffWorks • 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mary Childs is a co-host of the podcast Planet Money and the author of The Bond King: How One Man Made a Market, Built an Empire, and Lost It All. “I love aberrations. I love when things go wrong. You get a high stress situation, you get all of the manifestations of personality. We're our most selves, if not our best selves, at those times. I like the [stories] that have embedded in them all of those conduits of power and that reveal the greater system.” Show notes: @mdc marychilds.com Planet Money (NPR) The Bond King: How One Man Made a Market, Built an Empire, and Lost It All (Flatiron • 2022) 26:00 American Bonds: How Credit Markets Shaped the Nation (Sarah L. Quinn • Princeton University Press • 2019) 33:00 The Big Short: Inside the Doomsday Machine (Michael Lewis • Norton • 2010) 33:00 The Bond King: Investment Secrets from PIMCO's Bill Gross (Tim Middleton • Wiley • 2004) 43:00 "J. Screwed" (Planet Money • NPR • May 2020) 43:00 "Banque Worms" (Planet Money • NPR • Jul 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Laurel Braitman is a science writer, the author of Animal Madness: Inside Their Minds, and the founder of Writing Medicine. Her new book is What Looks Like Bravery: An Epic Journey Through Loss to Love. “My life was becoming unmanageable, in a way. I was using success in many ways like a drug, and I’d say like an analgesic on the sorts of difficult feelings I hadn’t wanted to face truly since childhood. And we are rewarded in this culture for these kinds of outward forms of success that often have nothing to do with what’s going on inside of you.” Show notes: @LaurelBraitman laurelbraitman.com 01:00 Pop-Up Magazine 01:00 Animal Madness (Simon & Schuester • 2015) 05:00 “The Strange Tale of Echo, the Parrot Who Saw Too Much” (Atlas Obscura • March 2016) 07:00 Braitman’sTED archive 11:00 “Birds & Bees” (Ira Glass • This American Life • May 2015) 32:00 “Duck Syndrome” (Arifeen Rahman • KQED • July 2019) 40:00 Dear Sugar archive Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sam Fragoso is a writer, filmmaker, and the host of the podcast Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso. “We have an hour together. We may not have another. We're here for a brief moment and then, you know, we die. And I want this thing to be as good as it can be. If if it's anything less than that, I'm just not interested. … And that, to me, is why you keep doing it: because that feeling when you really feel like you've put someone's life on the record in a way that is beautiful and painful and idiosyncratic and triumphant … when it goes well, it's like I lost 20 pounds. I am never a nicer or happier person than immediately after a taping. I'm kind of goofy and silly and delirious and grateful to be doing this. Like, so fucking grateful.” Show notes: @SamFragoso samfragoso.com 00:00 Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso 08:00 "#1: Matthieu Aikins" (Longform Podcast • Aug 2012) 09:00 "#156: Renata Adler" (Longform Podcast • Sep 2015) 09:00 "#187: Elizabeth Gilbert" (Longform Podcast • Apr 2016) 16:00 "Dr. Ashish Jha" (Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso • Mar 2020) 17:00 "Noam Chomsky" (Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso • Apr 2020) 21:00 "Margaret Atwood" (Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso • Mar 2022) 21:00 "David Byrne" (Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso • Mar 2022) 21:00 "Questlove" (Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso • Feb 2022) 22:00 "Anna Sale" (Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso • Apr 2017) 27:00 "David Sedaris" (Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso • Jun 2022) 52:00 WTF with Marc Maron 54:00 "Live Taping: Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso" (On Air Fest • Feb 2023) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Eric Lach is a staff writer at The New Yorker, where he covers New York. His latest article is “The Mayor and the Con Man.” “I think about my own trajectory, my little generation of journalists—it was easier to get jobs reporting on national politics than to get a job reporting on something that you could see and go to and that is a really strange thing, the relief and the joy that I feel like when I can just take the subway twenty minutes to go see something interesting for a story or talk to somebody interesting or explore physically and not just feel like I’m making phone calls and Googling. It’s a very different kind of work, but it’s just not something that was super available.” Show notes: @Eric Lach Lach on Longform Lach’s New Yorker archive 08:00 "Eric Adams Says He Has Swagger. What Else Does He Have?" (New Yorker • Jan 2022) 12:00 "What is Eric Adams’s Plan for the Riker Island Crisis?" (New Yorker • Jan 2022) 13:00 "Eric Adams Wants to Compstat New York City" (New Yorker • May 2021) 15:00 “Eric Adams Rakes in $7.7 Million, With Help From Wealthy Donors” (Emma G. Fitzsimmons and Dana Rubinstein • New York Times • Oct 2021) 24:00 "Why Do So Many New York Politicians Want Paperboy Prince to Hit Them in the Face with a Pie?" (New Yorker • June 2021) 26:00 "“Pretty Much a Big Mess”: One Iowa Caucus Precinct’s Drama-Filled Night" (New Yorker • Feb 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Willa Paskin, a former TV critic, is the host of the podcast Decoder Ring. “I want it to feel like a trap door. When you push on a trap door, there’s like a little spring. If it’s the right idea, you start to look into it, and you’re like, Oh, it’s giving a little.” Show notes: @willapaskin 00:00 Paskin's Slate archive 00:00 Paskin's Salon archive 00:00 Paskin's Vulture archive 00:00 Decoder Ring (Slate) 00:00 "The Invention of Hydration" (Decoder Ring • Slate • Apr 2021) 00:00 "Cellino & Barnes, Injury Attorneys, 800-888-8888 " (Decoder Ring • Slate • Dec 2022) 01:00 "The Sideways Effect" (Decoder Ring • Slate • May 2022) 03:00 "Why I Became a TV Critic" (Slate • Jan 2016) 38:00 "The Laff Box" (Decoder Ring • Slate • Apr 2018) 38:00 "The Blue Steak Experiment" (Decoder Ring • Slate • Dec 2020) 40:00 "Chuck E. Cheese Pizza War" (Decoder Ring • Slate • Jun 2019) 40:00 "The Cabbage Patch Kids Riots" (Decoder Ring • Slate • Nov 2020) 42:00 "Selling Out" (Decoder Ring • Slate • Aug 2021) 42:00 "The Sign Painter" (Decoder Ring • Slate • Jun 2021) 53:00 "The Butt and the Bustle" (Decoder Ring • Slate • Nov 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Abraham Josephine Riesman is a journalist who writes often for New York and is the author of True Believer: The Rise and Fall of Stan Lee. Her second book, Ringmaster: Vince McMahon and the Unmaking of America, will be published in March. “You’re sure that there’s a level of unreality, but you’re not sure that it’s all fake. There’s stuff there that seems either plausible or sometimes you go ‘there’s no way you could fake that.’ And sometimes you’re right, and a lot of times you’re somewhere in the middle. It’s not as easily distinguished as saying this is fact and this is fiction, this was scripted and this was improvised, whatever. You can’t make those distinctions easily, and one of the things I sort of hope comes out of the book—if it has any impact at all—is to try to get us past this false binary of true and false.” Show notes: @abrahamjoseph abrahamriesman.com Riesman on Longform Riesman’s New York Magazine archive 16:00 "She Was WWE’s First Female Referee. She Says Vince McMahon Raped Her." (New York Magazine • June 2022) 27:00 "There Is No Dignity in This Kind of America" (Jamelle Bouie • New York Times • Feb 2023) 28:00 "My Grandfather the Zionist" (New York Magazine • June 2021) 37:00 "How Los Bros Hernandez Stayed Punk for 40 Years with their Epic Comic-Book Saga, Love and Rockets" (GQ • Nov 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jonah Weiner is a contributing writer for The New York Times Magazine and co-author of the newsletter Blackbird Spyplane. “It's a version of myself. It's a hyperbolic version of myself. And I think it keeps it fun for me. It doesn't feel like a job. Ideally, it keeps it fun for readers. And I think that there actually is this function where X out of 10 people coming to it, their eyes are going to cross and they're going say, I'm out. No thanks. And that's fine, because the Y out of 10 who stick around feel that much more in on something and it just makes it feel like a funky, special place.” Show notes: @jonahweiner jonahweiner.com Weiner on Longform 00:00 Weiner on Longform Podcast 01:00 "Prying Eyes" (New Yorker • Oct 2012) 01:00 Blackbird Spyplane (Jonah Weiner and Erin Wylie • Substack) 06:00 "Don’t Take This Hunk at Face Value" (New York Times • Mar 2011) 11:00 "Michael Mann’s Damaged Men" (New York Times Magazine • Jul 2022) 23:00 "Wonders of Tokyo" (Blackbird Spyplane • Nov 2022) 23:00 "It’s-a me, Tokyo!" (Blackbird Spyplane • Nov 2022) 25:00 "Blackpilled Swag" (Blackbird Spyplane • Jan 2023) 31:00 The Warning with Steve Schmidt (Steve Schmidt • Substack) 33:00 Weiner's Rolling Stone archive 34:00 Racket (Matt Taibbi • Substack) 34:00 Glenn Greenwald (Glenn Greenwald • Substack) 36:00 "Bob Odenkirk’s Long Road to Serious Success" (New York Times Magazine • Feb 2022) 36:00 "Seth Rogan and the Secret to Happiness" (New York Times Magazine • Apr 2021) 37:00 The “Blackbird Spyplane” Interview Archive Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Delia Cai is the senior vanities correspondent for Vanity Fair and publishes the media newsletter Deez Links. Her debut novel Central Places is out this week. “This was in like, 2011, where I think actual journalists were still trying to figure out ‘Is it gross to be a brand?’ And at least in school, they were all about it. They’re like, ‘You need a brand, you need to think about what your niche is going to be, you need to think about engaging your audience.’ We had to make websites, we had to blog, and of course, all of us being college students, we started using our blogs to write about each other. We used Twitter to talk shit about each other in a very thinly veiled way. So really, it was the best training for being online.” Show notes: @delia_cai deliacai.com Cai’s Vanity Fair archive Deez Links archive 15:00 Cai’s blog 27:00 "Three Generations of Blue's Clues Hosts Are Still Cool With Being Your Best Friend" (Vanity Fair • Dec 2022) 37:00 "She Invented Adulting. Her Life Fell Apart. She Wants You to Know That’s Okay." (Vanity Fair • May 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Peggy Orenstein is a journalist and author. Her latest book is Unraveling. “The challenge is… to not want to say, I need to know what the book is about. I need to have my chapters. I need to know what exactly I'm looking for. Because it's really scary to just go out and report and have trust that there's going to be interesting things and that if you just keep going, you're going to find them. So to not foreclose possibility and options and ideas is the biggest reporting challenge for those sorts of books for me.” Show notes: @peggyorenstein peggyorenstein.com 01:00Girls & Sex (Harper • 2016) 01:00 Boys & Sex (Harper • 2020) 01:00 Cinderella Ate My Daughter (Harper • 2012) 01:00 Waiting for Daisy (Bloomsbury • 2007) 01:00 Unraveling (Harper • 2023) 14:00 Salt: A World History (Mark Kurlansky • Penguin Books • 2003) 18:00 "Mourning My Miscarriage" (New York Times Magazine • Apr 2002) 21:00 Schoolgirls: Young Women, Self-Esteem and the Confidence Gap (Anchor • 1995) 25:00 "Champion of the Deep" (New York Times Magazine • Jun 1991) 37:00 Bird by Bird (Anne Lamott • Anchor • 1995) 47:00 Aftersun (A24 • 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jonathan Goldstein is an audio producer and the host of Heavyweight. “I wasn’t taking myself very seriously, initially. I liked working with my friends and family because I think I was a little more comfortable with them. Then in the second season people were writing in with real problems, and they were looking at me as a kind of expert. It was terrifying to meet with these people and see the look of hopefulness in their eyes. ... I realized I need to step it up and even if I didn’t feel like an expert—an expert in an invented field that doesn’t really exist—that I’d really have to take that on with seriousness.” Show notes: @J_Goldstein Goldstein’s Heavyweight archive 02:00 "Plan B" (Ira Glass • This American Life • Feb 2002) 10:00 Goldstein’s This American Life archive 14:00 Lenny Bruce is Dead (Counterpoint Press • 2006) 16:00 "I Know What You Did This Summer" (Ira Glass • This American Life • Aug 2001) 17:00 "Other People’s Problems" (Jonathan Goldstein • CBC • Sept 2020) 19:00Goldstein’s Wiretap archive, selected and republished by the CBC 23:00 "What I Should’ve Said" (Ira Glass • This American Life • Jan 2004) 23:00 "Recordings for Someone" (Ira Glass • This American Life • Jan 2002) 26:00 "Buzz" (Jonathan Goldstein • Gimlet • Sept 2016) 31:00 "The Elliotts" (Jonathan Goldstein • Gimlet • Dec 2022) 33:00 "Justine" (Jonathan Goldstein • Gimlet • Oct 2021) 33:00 "Stephen" (Jonathan Goldstein • Gimlet • Oct 2021) 37:00 "Dr. Muller" (Jonathan Goldstein • Gimlet • Nov 2019) 43:00 "Another Roadside Attraction" (Jonathan Goldstein • Gimlet • Nov 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Katy Vine is an executive editor for Texas Monthly. “This is a huge state. There’s so much, and it’s different everywhere you look. You just go to Houston and there’s worlds within worlds within worlds just within the one city. You go to San Antonio and you’re in a different country, and you go to Dallas, you’re in a totally different country. … It’s wild to me. It’s endlessly fascinating.” Show notes: @Katy_Vine Vine on Longform Vine’s Texas Monthly archive 07:00 "Family Circus" (Texas Monthly • Aug 2002) 16:00 "Just Desserts" (Texas Monthly • Jan 2016) 20:00 "The Wildest Insurance Fraud Scheme Texas Has Ever Seen" (Texas Monthly • Sep 2020) 23:00 "Plenty of Ammo" (Texas Monthly • Aug 2001) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Khabat Abbas is an independent journalist and video producer from northeastern Syria, and the winner of the 2021 Kurt Schork News Fixer Award. ”I can see from my experience that there is a gap between the editors, who are kind of elites in their luxury offices, and the amazing journalists who are in the field, who all sympathize with what they are seeing on the ground and want to cover [it], but they have to satisfy the editors. And this is how we end up having little gaps in the ways of covering in general. It's not a matter of like, they shaped it in this way. The problem, I think, it’s bigger. How this industry is working, how this industry is deciding what they should cover.” Show notes: @khabat_abas Kurt Schork Awards in International Journalism 34:00 "'Belief Allows Us to Move Forward,' Said One Female Soldier in Battle Against ISIS" (ABC News • July 2017) 40:00 "The Former 'Caliphate Capital' Is Haunted by Fears of an ISIS Comeback" (Washington Post • May 2020) 43:00 "How ISIS Women and Their Children Are Being Left Stranded in the Desert" (Washington Post • Dec 2019) 43:00 "ISIS at a Crossroads" (Washington Post • Dec 2019) 43:00 "After the ISIS Caliphate: Thousands of Islamic State Fighters Captured in Syria Face Uncertain Fate" (Washington Post • Dec 2019) 51:00 "'This Is Ethnic Cleansing': A Dispatch from Kurdish Syria" (New York Review of Books • Oct 2019) 51:00 "For Kurds on the Syrian Front Line There’s No Ceasefire" (The Daily Beast • Nov 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chloé Cooper Jones is a philosopher and journalist whose work has appeared in GQ, The Verge, The Believer and many other publications. Her new book is Easy Beauty. ”I literally didn't talk to anyone in my life about disability until I was, like, 30. Ever. Not my husband, not my friends, as little as possible to my own mother. I had this very bad idea that what I needed to do in every single social situation was wait until people could unsee my body…. And it was all in service of trying to be truly recognized or truly seen. And, of course, what was happening is I was involved in a complete act of self erasure because my body and my real self are related…. There is no real me without my physical self…. I did not think I was going to ever write about this, but once I started, it felt like I met myself for the first time.” Show notes: @CCooperJones chloecooperjones.com  Cooper Jones on Longform 00:00 Easy Beauty (Avid Reader Press/Simon & Schuster • 2022) 01:00 "Fearing for His Life" (The Verge • Mar 2019) 02:00 "Contemplating Beauty in a Disabled Body" (New York Times Magazine • Mar 2022) 19:00 "Such Perfection" (The Believer • Jun 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

David Wolman is the author of six books and a magazine features writer who has written for Wired, Outside, and The New York Times. His latest article is ”Vanished in the Pacific.” “I feel like conversations about characters, character development, strong characters gets a little nauseating in my field sometimes because it’s like, of course — you need that like you need periods at the ends of sentences. Do we really have to keep saying it? But in this conversation it’s worth saying, because there are great ideas out there where the sources or the characters just really weren't there and then you’re tucking your tail in between your legs to look for the next one.” Show notes: @davidwolman david-wolman.com 03:00 Aloha Rodeo (Wolman and Julian Smith • Harpers Collins • 2020) 09:00 "The Ultimate Counterfeiter Isn't a Crook—He's an Artist" (Wired • May 2012) 13:00 "The Cold War" (Wolman and Julian Smith • Epic Magazine • Sept 2015) 21:00 Atellan Media 31:00 The End of Money (Da Capo • 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Clint Smith is a poet and a staff writer for The Atlantic. His most recent book is How the Word Is Passed: A Reckoning with the History of Slavery Across America and his latest feature is “Monuments to the Unthinkable.” “I've been to a lot of places that carry a history of death and slaughter and murder. I've been on plantations. I've been in execution chambers. I've sat on electric chairs. I've been on death row. But I have never experienced anything like what I experienced walking through the gas chamber in Dachau. I mean, there's reading books about the Holocaust, and then there's that. And that is something that I hope to continue doing for the rest of my life: putting my body where these things happen. Because it completely transforms your understanding of what it was like.” Show notes: @ClintSmithIII clintsmithiii.com Smith on Longform Smith's Atlantic archive 00:00 How the Word Is Passed: A Reckoning with the History of Slavery Across America (Little Brown • 2021) 01:00 "Monuments to the Unthinkable" (Atlantic • Nov 2022) 17:00 Evicted: Poverty and Profit in the American City (Matthew Desmond • Crown • 2017) 33:00 The Hemingses of Monticello (Annette Gordon-Reed • W.W. Norton • 2009) 34:00 Counting Descent (Write Bloody Publishing • 2016) 57:00 The Diary of a Young Girl (Anne Frank • 1947) 57:00 Number the Stars (Lois Lowry • Houghton Mifflin • 1989) 1:07:00 "The Stories Tamir Rice Makes Us Remember" (New Yorker • Dec 2015) 1:08:00 Smith's New Yorker archive 1:08:00 "Freddy Adu and the Children of the Beautiful Game" (New Yorker • Mar 2017) 1:09:00 Above Ground (Little Brown • 2023) 1:09:00 Crash Course Black American History Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Grant Wahl was the founder of Fútbol with Grant Wahl, a longtime writer for Sports Illustrated, and the author of The Beckham Experiment and Masters of Modern Soccer. He died on December 10, covering the World Cup in Qatar. This interview was recorded in January 2016. “I never would have predicted I would do soccer full time. And that’s happened. I’d love to say that this was all planned and inevitable but it really wasn’t.” Show notes:  Fútbol with Grant Wahl Wahl's Sports Illustrated archive “Soccer Journalist Dies at World Cup After Collapsing at Argentina Game” (The New York Times) “RIP Grant Wahl” (Chris Wittyngham, Fútbol with Grant Wahl) “Remembering Grant Wahl: A Sterling Example of How to Work With Principle” (Sports Illustrated) “Remembering Grant Wahl, a champion of American soccer” (The Atlantic) “Live like adored soccer writer Grant Wahl and smell those roses” (Indy Star) “There was something Bourdain-like about the big, soccer life Grant Wahl led” (Los Angeles Times) “Grant Wahl's housemate Guillem Balagué pays tribute to US journalist” (CNN.com) “Grant” (Joe Posnanski) “He was the best of us” (former U.S. Men’s National Team Coach Bob Bradley) “US Soccer statement on the passing of Grant Wahl” (US Soccer) “Grant Wahl was my idol and my friend. A selfless, wonderful man” (The Athletic) “To the end, Grant Wahl fought fearlessly for what he believed” (CBC) “He championed soccer in the U.S. and human rights throughout his career” (CBS Mornings) “A love letter to the writing of Grant Wahl” (Holding the High Line) “Mia Hamm 'Heartbroken' Over Grant Wahl's Death: 'Our Game Was Better Because Grant Wahl Was in It'” (People) “How Grant Wahl Changed the Place of Soccer in America” (The New Yorker) “Remembering Grant Wahl” (Medium) “The Best of Us: A Tribute to Grant Wahl” (The Nation) “LeBron James remembrance” (Twitter) “Remembering Grant Wahl” (Sports Illustrated) “The Life and Legacy of Grant Wahl” (Hang Up and Listen) “Witnesses Recount Last Moments Of Soccer Journalist Grant Wahl” (HuffPost) “Billie Jean King remembrance” (Twitter) “Grant Wahl Was a Kind, Wise Champion of the Voiceless in Soccer” (The Guardian) “Grant Wahl's Wife Remembers the Late Soccer Journalist” (NPR) “Soccer Writer Grant Wahl Was the Type of Journalist — and Person — I Want to Be” (Colorado Sun) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ryan O’Hanlon is a soccer writer for ESPN. His new book is Net Gains: Inside the Beautiful Game’s Analytics Revolution. “It wasn’t just that I was burned out from two years at The Ringer, it was being burned out from nine years of just freakin’ bobbing up and down to keep my head above water, and changing the water every year.” Show notes: @rwohan ryanohanlon.com O’Hanlon’s article archive 05:00 Net Gains (Abrams Books • 2022) 13:00 O’Hanlon’s Run of Play archive 13:00 O’Hanlon’s Grantland archive 13:00 O’Hanlon’s The Ringer archive 22:00 O’Hanlon’s The Good Men Project archive 22:00 O’Hanlon’s Buzzfeed archive 22:00 "Living the Yahoo! Answers Lifestyle" (Buzzfeed • Jun 2012) 23:00 "A Q&A With Red Bulls Goalie and Yonkers Native Ryan Meara" (New York • April 2012) 26:00 No Grass in the Clouds 26:00 O’Hanlon’s Outside archive 33:00 "Bill Simmons Suspended by ESPN for Tirade on Roger Goodell" (Richard Sandomir • New York Times • Sept 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bradley Hope and Tom Wright are former journalists at The Wall Street Journal, the co-founders of journalism studio Project Brazen, and the co-authors of the book Billion Dollar Whale. Their new podcast is Corinna and The King. Hope’s new book is “The Rebel and the Kingdom.” “We’re a little bit skeptical of just jumping into the big story of the day with something that doesn’t feel differentiated. It needs to have character, storytelling — it can’t just be a great topic, or an important topic, even.” Show notes: @bradleyhope @TomWrightAsia Hope’s Wall Street Journal archive Wright’s Wall Street Journal archive 06:00 Billion Dollar Whale (Hachette Books • 2019) 09:00 Project Brazen 10:00 Blood and Oil (Hope and Justin Sheck • Hachette Books • 2020) 19:00 Fat Leonard (Project Brazen • 2021) 25:00 Persona: The French Deception (Evan Ratliff • Verified • 2022) 47:00 "Road Trip! American Student Joins Rebels in Fight for Qaddafi Stronghold" (Hope • The National • Aug 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hanif Abdurraqib is a poet, essayist, and critic whose work has appeared in The New Yorker, The New York Times Magazine and many other publications. His latest book is A Little Devil in America: In Praise of Black Performance. “I learn from hearing my elders tell stories. There’s an inherent knowing of yourself as a vessel for narration who also has to—is required to—hold the attention of others at all costs. And that’s essentially what I’m trying to do. The broader project of my writing is almost a constant pleading of: Don’t leave yet. Stay here with me for just a little bit longer.” Show notes: @NifMuhammad abdurraqib.com Abdurraqib on Longform 02:00 A Little Devil in America (Random House • 2021) 09:00 Psychotic Reactions and Carburetor Dung (Lester Bangs • Anchor • 1988) 10:00 The Crown Ain’t Worth Much (Button Poetry • 2016) 14:00 They Can’t Kill Us Until They Kill Us (Two Dollar Radio • 2017) 20:00 Go Ahead in the Rain: Notes to A Tribe Called Quest (University of Texas Press • 2019) 25:00 Stakes Is High (De La Soul • Tommy Boy, Warner Brothers • 1996) 33:00 Black Movie (Danez Smith • Button Poetry • 2014) 37:00 Abdurraqib's MTV News archive 39:00 "Mo Salah Is Ready to Make the Whole World Smile" (Bleacher Report • Jun 2018) 44:00 Red Dead Redemption (Rockstar Games • 2010) 47:00 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Nintendo • 2017) 47:00 Elden Ring (Bandai Namco Entertainment • 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Audie Cornish is a journalist and the former host of NPR’s All Things Considered. Her new CNN Audio podcast is The Assignment. “I think there is journalism inherent in an interview. Like the interview itself should be considered a piece of journalism. It isn't always. Sometimes the vibe is that it’s a little window dressing or that it's personality driven and I don't subscribe to that. I think that it has its own journalism. It's my journalism.” Show notes: @AudieCornish Cornish's NPR archive 01:00 The Assignment (CNN Audio • 2022) 25:00 "Letters: 'Music Curator' Diplo" (NPR • Jun 2012) 36:00 Cornish’s Twitter thread (Jan 2022) 43:00 Serial (Serial Productions) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Taffy Brodesser-Akner is a staff writer at the New York Times and the creator of the new Hulu television series Fleishman Is in Trouble, based on her bestselling novel. “I took the cast out to dinner … And the way they began talking to each other, which was very intimate, was like a punch in the stomach. Because I had always thought that I got people to open up to me [in celebrity profiles]. And I was like, Oh, no, I got them to answer questions differently than maybe they had before. … And that was a little devastating to me.” Show notes: @taffyakner taffyakner.com  Brodesser-Akner on Longform 00:00 Brodesser-Akner on Longform Podcast (#126) 00:00 Brodesser-Akner on Longform Podcast (#350) 01:00 Brodesser-Akner's New York Times archive 01:00 Brodesser-Akner's GQ archive 01:00 Fleishman Is in Trouble (Hulu • 2022) 01:00 Fleishman Is in Trouble (Random House • 2020) 04:00 "Billy Bob Thornton on Bad Santa 2, Ungrateful Fans, and Why He Won't Direct Anymore" (GQ • Nov 2016) 09:00 "Jimmy Buffett Does Not Live the Jimmy Buffett Lifestyle" (New York Times • Feb 2018) 13:00 "The Gospel According to Marianne Williamson" (New York Times • Sep 2019) 14:00 Erin Brockovich (2000) 17:00 "This Tom Hanks Story Will Help You Feel Less Bad" (New York Times • Nov 2019) 17:00 "What Happened to Val Kilmer? He’s Just Starting to Figure It Out." (New York Times • May 2020) 23:00 Little Miss Sunshine (2006) 23:00 Ruby Sparks (2012) 24:00 "Christian Slater Isn't Mr. Robot, He's Mr. Nice Guy" (GQ • Aug 2016) 27:00 "Water’s Edge" (GQ • Jul 2015) 33:00 "CNN’s Jake Tapper Is the Realest Man in ‘Fake News’" (GQ • Apr 2017) 41:00 "How Goop’s Haters Made Gwyneth Paltrow’s Company Worth $250 Million" (New York Times • Jul 2018) 47:00 Sam Anderson on Longform Podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nancy Updike is a founding producer and senior editor at This American Life. Jenelle Pifer, a former Longform Podcast editor, is a senior producer at Serial. Their new three-part podcast, hosted by Updike and produced by Pifer, is We Were Three. Updike: “I say it’s a story that’s a bit about COVID, but really about a family, and that’s the closest I’ve gotten to a short version. I don’t know. Why is that? I never have a short version of something I’m working on—never.” Pifer: “We were doing a lot of talking about, for Nancy, what are the driving questions you tend to be attracted to? There were a few things we came up with, one of which was that you tend to gravitate toward stories where somebody is in the middle of something that they don’t know what to make of yet, and you kind of just want to sit with them and see what direction they walk in, or what they say, or what meaning they put onto something.” Show notes: @jenellepifer jenelle-pifer.com Updike’s This American Life archive Updike’s New York Times archive 05:00Rachel McKibben’s Twitter thread 24:00 Heavyweight #46 Dan (Jonathan Goldstein • Gimlet • 2022) 39:00 Nice White Parents (Chana Joffe-Walt • Serial Productions • 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Andy Kroll is an investigative reporter for ProPublica. His new book is A Death on W Street: The Murder of Seth Rich and the Age of Conspiracy. “I think a book has ruined me for writing hot takes and spicy Twitter dunks and all of these other one- and two-dimensional bits of ephemera. I wasn't really a big fan of it in the first place, but I can't do it anymore. A book forces you to look at the world in a much more fine grained, humane, empathetic way, and there's no going back from that.” Show notes: @AndyKroll andy-kroll.com Kroll on Longform Kroll's ProPublica archive Kroll's Rolling Stone archive 01:00 A Death on W Street: The Murder of Seth Rich and the Age of Conspiracy (PublicAffairs • 2022) 21:00 "Ted Cruz’s Secret Weapon to Win the Right" (National Journal • Jun 2015) 22:00 "Ted Cruz’s Howitzer" (New Republic • Jan 2016) 22:00 "The Staying Power of Nancy Pelosi" (The Atlantic • Sep 2015) 22:00 "The Last Days of Jerry Brown" (California Sunday Magazine • Mar 2018) 31:00 "Seth Rich, Slain DNC Staffer, Had Contact with WikiLeaks, Say Multiple Sources" (Malia Zimmerman • Fox News • May 2017) 40:00 Longform Podcast #46: Nicholas Schmidle (Jun 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Erika Hayasaki has written for The New York Times Magazine, Wired, and The Atlantic. Her new book is Somewhere Sisters: A Story of Adoption, Identity, and the Meaning of Family. “I don’t subscribe to the belief that it’s our story because we’re the journalist that wrote it — especially when people are sharing these really intimate, deep, painful moments. That is not my story. That’s their story that they've collaborated in a way with me to share through these interviews.” Show notes: @ErikaHayasaki erikahayasaki.com  Hayasaki on Longform Hayasaki’s Atlantic archive 04:00 "Hiroshima" (John Hersey • New Yorker • Aug. 1946) 12:00 "A deadly hush in Room 211 — then the killer returned" (Los Angeles Times • April 2007) 16:00 "A Criminal Mind" (California Sunday Magazine • Oct. 2015) 17:00 "In a Perpetual Present" (Wired • April 2016) 18:00 Somewhere Sisters (Algonquin Books • 2022) 19:00 "Identical Twins Hint at How Environments Change Gene Expression" (The Atlantic • May 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rachel Aviv is a staff writer for The New Yorker. Her new book is Strangers to Ourselves: Unsettled Minds and the Stories That Make Us. “I used to feel that if I knew everything, that was a good sign. And I've become more aware that if you know everything you want to argue, that's not such a good sign…. Do I have a genuine question? Is there something I’m trying to figure out? Then the story is worth telling. But if I don’t really have a question or if my question is already answered, then maybe that should give you pause.” Show notes: @rachelaviv Aviv on Longform Aviv on Longform Podcast Aviv's New Yorker archive 05:00 Strangers to Ourselves: Unsettled Minds and the Stories That Make Us (Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2022) 03:00 "How An Ivy League School Turned Against A Student" (New Yorker • Mar 2022) 11:00 "Anorexia, The Impossible Subject" (Alice Gregory • New Yorker • Dec 2013) 12:00 "The Trauma of Facing Deportation" (New Yorker • Mar 2017) 28:00 The Warmth of Other Suns (Isabel Wilkerson • Vintage • 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sam Anderson is a writer for New York Times Magazine and the author of Boom Town. “I love being in that place where everything is just coming in, and everything is potentially important, and I’m underlining every great sentence that John McPhee has ever written and then I’m typing it up into this embarrassingly long set of reading notes, documents, organized by books. And then when you sit down with it as a writer who has a job, and his job is to fill a little window of a magazine or website, all of that ecstatic inhaling has to stop. You realize that you’ve collected approximately 900,000% of what you need or could ever use.” Show notes: @shamblanderson shamblanderson.com Anderson on Longform Anderson’s New York TImes Magazine archive 03:00 "Kevin Durant and (Possibly) the Greatest Basketball Team of All Time" (New York Times Magazine • June 2021) 05:00 "The Mind of John McPhee" (New York Times Magazine • Sept. 2017) 05:00 Draft No. 4 (John McPhee • Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2017) 07:00 "The Fierce Imagination of Haruki Murakami" (New York Times Magazine • Oct, 2011) 10:00 Boom Town (Crown • 2019) 19:00 "The Inscrutable Brilliance of Anne Carson" (New York Times Magazine • March 2013) 20:00 "David’s Ankles: How Imperfections Could Bring Down the World’s Most Perfect Statue" (New York Times Magazine • Aug. 2016) 35:00 "The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic" (New York Times Magazine • April 2022) 35:00 "The Mad Liberationist" (New York • May 2010) 35:00 "Laurie Anderson Has a Message for Us Humans" (New York Times Magazine • Nov. 2021) 35:00 "The Uses of ‘Mythologies’" (Richard Brody • New Yorker • April 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Robert Samuels and Toluse Olorunnipa are reporters for The Washington Post and co-authors of the new book His Name Is George Floyd: One Man’s Life and the Struggle for Racial Justice. “Looking at George Floyd's family history, looking at the poverty that he grew up in, looking at the schools that he attended, which were segregated, looking at the opportunities that were denied to him and the struggles he had in the criminal justice system—it's an extraordinary American experience, in part because it's so outside of the norm of what we think of when we think of the American dream…. And so we wanted to be able to showcase that that kind of extraordinary American experience is ordinary for so many people.” Show notes: @newsbysamuels @ToluseO Samuels’s Washington Post archive Olorunnipa’s Washington Post archive 00:00 His Name Is George Floyd: One Man’s Life and the Struggle for Racial Justice (Viking • 2022) 03:00 "Covid-19 Is Ravaging Black Communities. A Milwaukee Neighborhood Is Figuring Out How to Fight Back." (Robert Samuels • Washington Post • Apr 2020) 04:00 "Stumbling Toward Wokeness" (Robert Samuels • Washington Post • Jul 2020) 05:00 "George Floyd’s America" (Washington Post Staff • Washington Post • Oct 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pablo Torre is a sports journalist and the host of the ESPN Daily podcast. “I have an open borders policy as a podcast. All are welcome, but I’m specifically appealing to people who want a little bit more of that magazine curation. What if I gave you one thing today, and that thing was the thing you needed, and what if that thing is deliberately different from every other way you consume sports? That’s the premise.” Show notes: @pablotorre pablotorre.squarespace.com Torre on Longform Torre on Longform Podcast Torre’s ESPN Daily archive 11:00 "Sue Bird on the WNBA Finals, Retirement, and a Career Like No Other" (Torre • ESPN • Sept 2022) 15:00 "The Survivor: From the Holocaust to the Munich Massacre, One Athlete’s Incredible Story" (Torre • ESPN • Sept 2022) 18:00 "The No. 16 Seed University of Maryland Baltimore County Topples Virginia in a Historic Sports Upset" (Ian Crouch • New Yorker • March 2018) 21:00 "Inside Jeremy Lin’s Life After Linsanity and the New York Knicks" (ESPN The Magazine • March 2015) 21:00 "The 76ers Plan to Win (Yes, Really)" (ESPN The Magazine • Jan 2015) 23:00 "WATCH: Sixers Fans Get Married at NBA Draft Lottery Party" (Nihal Kolur • Sports Illustrated • May 2018) 27:00 "How (and Why) Athletes Go Broke" (Sports Illustrated • March 2009) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Evan Osnos is a staff writer for The New Yorker. His new book is Wildland: The Making of America’s Fury. “I'm always trying to get inside a subculture. That's the thing that I think has been the most enduring, attractive element for me. Is there a world that has its own manners and vocabulary and internal rhythms and status structure? And who looks down on whom? And why? And who venerates whom? Who's a big deal in these worlds? And if I can get into that, it doesn't even really matter to me that much what the subculture is. I'm fascinated by trying to map that thing out.” Show notes: @eosnos evanosnos.com Osnos on Longform Osnos’s New Yorker archive 00:00 The Making of America’s Fury (Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2021) 02:00 "Life After White Collar Crime" (New Yorker • Aug 2021) 03:00 "Doomsday Prep for the Super-Rich" (New Yorker • Jan 2017) 05:00 Osnos’s Chicago Tribune archive 19:00 "The Boxing Rebellion" (New Yorker • Jan 2008) 24:00 "Born Red" (New Yorker • Apr 2015) 34:00 "Wastepaper Queen" (New Yorker • Mar 2009) 38:00 "The Grand Tour" (New Yorker • Apr 2011) 46:00 "Welcome to the United States: The Shutdown Edition" (New Yorker • Oct 2013) 49:00 "The Haves and Have-Yachts" (New Yorker • Jul 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Graciela Mochkofsky is a writer for The New Yorker and dean of CUNY's Newmark Graduate School of Journalism. She has written six nonfiction books in Spanish. Her new book, her first in English, is The Prophet of the Andes. “It connects with me as a journalist, actually — it’s this idea of just seeking truth and how elusive that is. So this is a person who thinks he can get to the true meaning of God and of how he needs to live. And he thinks that by asking the right questions, and by reading, and reading, and reading, and by discussing collectively, he can get to the truth. And he can’t.” Show notes: @gmochkofsky  Mochkofsky on Longform Mochkofsky’s New Yorker archive 03:00 Timerman: El periodista que quiso ser parte del poder (Penguin Random House Grupo Editorial Argentina • 2012) 14:00 The Sirens of Mars (Sarah Stewart Johnson • Crown • 2021) 21:00 "The Missing Borges" (The Paris Review • April 2014) 21:00 "Henry Kissinger Will Not Apologize" (The Atlantic • Nov 2016) 21:00 "Obama’s Bittersweet Visit to Argentina" (New Yorker • March 2016) 21:00 "Mexico’s Literary Prankster Goes to War With His Publisher" (New Yorker • Dec 2015) 25:00 "CUNY’s New Spanish-Language Journalism Program, With Big Ambitions, Opens for Applications" (Shan Wang • Nieman Lab • March 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nona Willis Aronowitz, an editor and author, writes a sex and love advice column for Teen Vogue. Her new book is Bad Sex: Truth, Pleasure, and an Unfinished Revolution. “I'm getting a lot of emails from people saying basically ‘You've inspired me to break up with my man tomorrow.’ Or ‘I may not ever break up with my man, but I'm starting to tell the truth, at least to myself, about my relationship.’ And I think a lot of people — even though I think being open about your feelings and acceptance of all kinds of lifestyles are two tenants of modern society — I still think there's a lot of silence around dissatisfaction around sex and love.” Show notes: @nona theothernwa.com Willis Aronowitz on Longform Willis Aronowitz’s Teen Vogue archive 02:00Willis Aronowitz’s Good archive 02:00Willis Aronowitz’s Splinter archive 04:00 "Ellen Willis, 64, Journalist and Feminist, Dies" (Margalit Fox • New York Times • Nov 2006) 10:00 "Consciousness-Raising Groups and the Women’s Movement" (Erin Blakemore • JSTOR Daily • March 2021) 29:00 "Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About ‘Bad Sex’ But Were Afraid to Ask" (Jessica Bennett • New York Times • Aug 2022) 43:00 Out of the Vinyl Deeps (Ellen Willis • University of Minnesota Press • 2011) 43:00 The Essential Ellen Willis (Ellen Willis • University of Minnesota Press • 2014) 43:00Ellen Willis’ New Yorker archive Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Caitlin Dickerson is a staff writer for The Atlantic covering immigration. Her latest article, on the secret history of U.S. government’s family-separation policy, is ”An American Catastrophe.” “Interviewing separated families, I’ve found, is just on a whole other scale of pain and trauma. I’ve watched people have really intense PTSD flashbacks in front of me. I never wanted to risk asking a family to open up in that way if I didn’t know that I’d be able to use that material. The worst thing you can do is waste someone’s time in a way that causes them pain.” Show notes: @itscaitlinhd Dickerson on Longform Dickerson’s Atlantic archive 09:00 Dickerson’s New York Times archive 09:00 Dickerson’s NPR archive 15:00 The Fifth Risk (Michael Lewis • W.W. Norton • 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yudhijit Bhattacharjee is a contributing writer for National Geographic and the New York Times Magazine. His new podcast is Chameleon: Scam Likely. “I want a crumpled piece of paper where there are enough ridges and valleys and lines for me to be able to navigate, and they have to be authentic. And then of course the best stories among them will have surprise and intrigue, and things that are completely unexpected happen somewhere along the way. But it's hard to anticipate all of that. You still have to have a little bit of faith.” Show notes: @Yudhijit yudhijit.com Bhattacharjee on Longform Bhattacharjee’s National Geographic archive Bhattacharjee’s New York Times archive 03:00 "Who’s Making All Those Scam Calls?" (New York Times Magazine • Jan 2021) 06:00 "The Downfall of India’s Kidney Kingpin" (Discover Magazine • Aug 2010) 09:00 Natalie Angier’s New York Times archive 09:00 George Johnson’s New York Times archive 09:00 Gina Kolata’s New York Times archive 18:00 Bhattacharjee’s Science archive 26:00 "The Man Who Captures Criminals for the D.E.A. by Playing Them" (New Yorker • July 2018) 29:00 "My Father and Me: A Spy Story" (GQ • June 2012) 29:00 The Spy Who Couldn’t Spell (Penguin Random House • 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hannah Goldfield is the food critic at The New Yorker. “There are just only so many ways to say ‘crunchy.’ There's ‘crunchy,’ there's ‘crisp,’ there's ‘crispy,’ you can say something ‘crackles,’ and that's kind of it. It's really, really hard. And a lot of things are crunchy. It's a really specific sensation that needs to be described. But I've had moments where I'm like, I can't say crunchy again in a sentence. What am I going to do? How do I get this across?” Show notes: @hannahgoldfield Goldfield’s New Yorker archive 02:00 My Best Friend’s Wedding (P.J. Hogan • Sony • 1997) 03:00Ruth Reichl's New York Times archive 09:00 Ratatouille (Brad Bird • Disney • 2007) 10:00 Garlic and Sapphires (Ruth Reichl • Penguin Random House • 2005) 15:00 "The Pandemic-Proof Atmosphere of the Odeon Outside" (New Yorker • Oct 2020) 15:00 "The Odeon Responds to the New Yorker" (Lynn Wagenknecht • Tribeca Citizen • Nov 2020) 22:00 "The Glorious Fish and Chips at Dame" (New Yorker • Jan 2021) 27:00 "Burmese Food and a Hopeful Vision at Yun Café & Asian Mart" (New Yorker • Sept 2020) 35:00 "How Kim Kardashian Is Bringing Buzz (and Business) to Staten Island" (Alyson Krueger • New York Times • May 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sam Sanders is the former host of NPR’s It’s Been a Minute. He hosts Vulture’s Into It, which launched last week. “I don’t think I ever wanted a career where I was doing the same thing for 30 years. I think that, editorially, I had become someone who was really contemplating what kind of capital-j journalist I wanted to be, want to be, and I was questioning a lot of rules and the structure of what we think journalism is supposed to be, and I think I needed to be away from a legacy institution like NPR, at least for a spell, to work that out.” Show notes: @samsanders Sanders’ NPR archive 02:00 It’s Been a Minute (Sam Sanders • NPR • 2017) 02:00 NPR’s Politics Podcast (Tamara Keith and Scott Detrow • NPR • 2022) 28:00 "Eric André Talks ‘Bad Trip’ and Dangerous Pranks with Sam Sanders" (It's Been a Minute • April 2021) 29:00 "Joel Kim Booster Reflects on the 'Pride and Prejudice' of Fire Island's Party Scene" (Fresh Air • June 2022) 30:00 Psychosexual (Joel Kim Booster • Netflix • 2022) 32:00 "Maya Rudolph Once Struggled With Identity And Belonging. Now It's Her Inspiration" (It's Been a Minute • Aug 2021) 33:00 "Jennifer Lopez on Longevity and 'Second Act'" (It's Been a Minute • Dec 2018) 34:00 "A 1998 Jennifer Lopez Interview Is Going Viral for Her Comments About Other Actresses " (Kimberly Truong • InStyle • Sept 2019) 41:00 "The Business of Beyonc‪é" (Into It • July 2022) 48:00 Inside the Actors Studio (James Lipton • Bravo • 1994) 50:00 "Longform Podcast #491: Lulu Garcia-Navarro" 50:00 "Host Sam Sanders Calls Out NPR, Media Industry for Lack of Diversity: 'It Doesn't Sit Well'" (David Oliver • USA Today • March 2021) 50:00 "NPR Hosts' Departures Fuel Questions Over Race. The Full Story Is Complex" (David Folkenflik • NPR • Jan 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michael Pollan is a contributing writer for New York Times Magazine, the host of Netflix's How to Change Your Mind, and the author of nine books. The latest is This Is Your Mind On Plants. “I have found myself at two distinct points in my history having this transition from being the journalist, learning at the feet of these people, to becoming an advocate. And it’s an awkward role for a journalist, but at a certain point it would be kind of false to pretend you didn't have points of view, that there weren't directions in which you think the world should go. And the great thing about doing narrative nonfiction is that editors cut you a fair amount of slack at the end of a 10,000–word piece to say what you think.” Show notes: @michaelpollan michaelpollan.com Pollan on Longform Pollan on Longform Podcast Pollan’s New York Times archive Pollan’s Harper’s archive 01:00 How To Change Your Mind (Penguin Press • 2018) 01:00 How To Change Your Mind (Netflix • 2022) 06:00 "Channels of Communication Magazine" 09:00 "The Microdose Newsletter" 11:00 "The Future of Psychedelic-Assisted Psychotherapy" (Rick Doblin • TED • April 2019) 15:00 Second Nature (Grove Press; Reprint Edition • 2003) 17:00 "Caffeine" (Audible • 2019) 17:00 "Opium, Made Easy" (Harper’s • April 1997) 20:00 The Botany of Desire (Random House • 2002) 20:00 "Trip Treatment" (New Yorker • Feb 2015) 21:00 The Omnivore’s Dilemma (Penguin Press • 2007) 22:00 Fast Food Nation (Eric Schlosser • Penguin Random House • 2001) 24:00 A Life On Our Planet (David Attenborough • Netflix • 2020) 27:00 "The Morning After" (Robert Stone • Harper’s • Nov 1996) 27:00 "In Darkest Hollywood" (Stanley Elkin • Harper’s • Dec 1989) 28:00 "Shipping Out" (David Foster Wallace • Harper’s • Jan 1996) 28:00 "Gravy Boat: My Week on the High Seas with Paula Deen and Friends" (Caity Weaver • Gawker • Feb 2014) 28:00 "Ticket to the fair" (David Foster Wallace • Harper’s • July 1994) 35:00 Food Rules (Penguin Press • 2009) 42:00 "The Rubber Hand Illusion" (Horizon • BBC • Oct 2010) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Evan Ratliff, a co-host of the Longform Podcast, is host of the new podcast Persona: The French Deception. “One of these big scams is like a story. And in the story, what they're doing is they're manipulating you to be a participant in the story, and they're getting you so hooked that you will not just do anything they say, but you will invest yourself in bringing the story to its conclusion. And like, isn't that what you're doing if you're trying to get someone to listen to eight episodes, spend that much of their life listening to your voice? … The idea that every story has this person pulling the strings... I like revisiting that in everything that I do." Show notes: @ev_rat cazart.net Ratliff on Longform Longform Podcast #48: Evan Ratliff Longform Podcast Bonus Episode: Evan Ratliff (April 2016) Longform Podcast: Evan Ratliff, author of The Mastermind (March 2019) 1:00 Persona: The French Deception (Pineapple Street Studios, Wondery • May 2022) 2:00 Exit Scam (Treats Media • May 2021) 7:00 Thank You For Calling (Vito Films • March 2015) 9:00 The Mastermind: Drugs. Empire. Murder. Betrayal. (Random House • Jan 2019) 10:00 "The Fall of the Billionaire Gucci Master" (Bloomberg Businessweek • Jun 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Andrea Elliott is an investigative reporter for The New York Times. Her recent book, Invisible Child: Poverty, Survival & Hope in An American City, won a Pulitzer Prize. ”I don’t see reporting as a one-way street. ... I think that people need to know as much as they can about you. And yes, there are boundaries ... but at the same time, the fact of the boundaries is something to talk about with the people you’re writing about. Isn’t it weird that this is my job to be reporting on your life when we can laugh and we can break bread together and I spend all these hours with you and you know about my kids? ... And at the same time, I’m also here to write a book. ... And those two facts I learned to just allow to coexist within me. But it was not easy.” Show notes: @andreafelliott andrea-elliott.com  Elliott on Longform 00:00 Invisible Child: Poverty, Survival & Hope in An American City (Random House • 2021) 01:00 "When Dasani Left Home" (New York Times Magazine • Sept 2021) 04:00 "Invisible Child: Girl in the Shadows, Dasani’s Homeless Life" (New York Times • Dec 2013) 17:00 "An Imam in America: Tending to Muslim Hearts and Islam's Future" (New York Times • Mar 2006) 17:00 "An Imam in America: To Lead the Faithful in a Faith Under Fire" (New York Times • Mar 2006) 17:00 "An Imam in America: A Muslim Leader in Brooklyn, Reconciling 2 Worlds" (New York Times • Mar 2006) 17:00 "An Imam in America: A Cleric’s Journey Leads to a Suburban Frontier" (New York Times • Jan 2007) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nicholson Baker is the author of 18 books of fiction and nonfiction. He has written for The New Yorker, Harper’s, and many other publications. His latest book is Baseless: My Search for Secrets in the Ruins of the Freedom of Information Act. "In the end, I don’t care how famous you get, how widely read you are during your lifetime. You’re going to be forgotten. And you’re going to have five or six fans in the end. It’s going to be your grandchildren or your great-grandchildren are going to say, Oh, yeah, he was big. … So I think the key is, write what you actually care about. Because in the end, you’re only doing this for yourself. … So maybe do your best stuff for yourself and for the three, four, five people who know in the coming century that you ever existed. That’s all you need to do." Show notes: @nicholsonbaker8 nicholsonbaker.com The Mezzanine (Grove Press • 1988) Baseless (Penguin Press • 2020) 10:00 Human Smoke (Simon & Schuster • 2009) 10:00 "Wrong Answer" (Harper's • Sept 2013) 11:00 Room Temperature (Grove Press • 2010) 11:00 U and I (Random House • 2000) 11:00 Vox (Publisher • 2000) 11:00 The Fermata (Author if different from Writer • Publisher • 2000) 12:00 "The Projector" (New Yorker • Mar 1994) 12:00 The Size of Thoughts (Vintage Contemporaries • 1996) 13:00 "The Author vs. the Library" (New Yorker • Oct 1996) 19:00 Double Fold (Vintage • 2002) 30:00 Lab 257 (Michael Carroll • Willam Morrow Paperbacks • 2005) 33:00 Longform Podcast #192: Seymour Hersh 33:00 The Killing of Osama Bin Laden (Seymour Hersh • Verso • 2017) 33:00 Longform Podcast #321: Nicholas Schmidle 33:00 "Getting Bin Laden" (Nicholas Schmidle • New Yorker • Aug 2011) 46:00 Baker's New Yorker archive Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rebecca Traister is a writer for New York and the author of Good and Mad: The Revolutionary Power of Women’s Anger. Her latest article is "The Necessity of Hope." “A big motivation of this piece, which I think is framed in this there’s still reason to hope is actually the inverse of that. Which is: Let us be crystal clear about what is happening, what is lost, what is violated. The cruelty, the horror, and the injustice, and that is it only moving toward worse right now. And to establish that to then say that it is the responsibility to really absorb that, and then figure out how to move forward.” Show notes: @rtraister rebeccatraister.com Traister on Longform Traister on Longform Podcast 5:00 "Roe's Final Hours in One of America's Largest Abortion Clinics" (Stephania Taladrid • New Yorker • Jun 2022) 10:00 "The Dissenters Say You're Not Hysterical" (Irin Carmon • New York • Jun 2022) 23:00 "The Immoderate Susan Collins" (New York • Feb 2020) 26:00 Traister's Salon archive 26:00 "Abortion’s Deadly DIY Past Could Soon Become Its Future" (New York • Jan 2017) 27:00 "Let's Just Say It: Women Matter More Than Fetuses Do" (The New Republic • Nov 2014) 27:00 "The Institutionalist" (The Cut • Jun 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Alexandra Lange is a design critic whose work has appeared in The New Yorker, The New York Times, and many other publications. Her new book is Meet Me by the Fountain: An Inside History of the Mall. “I really like to write about things that I can hold and experience. I'm not that interested in biography, but I am very interested in the biography of an object. ... Like I feel about the objects, I think, how most people feel about people. So what I'm always trying to do is communicate that enthusiasm and that understanding to my reader, because these objects really have a lot of speaking to do.” Show notes: @LangeAlexandra alexandralange.net  Lange on Longform 00:00 Lange's Design Observer archive 00:00 Lange's Curbed archive 00:00 Meet Me by the Fountain: An Inside History of the Mall (Bloomsbury • 2022) 15:00 "Malls and the Future of American Retail" (Curbed • Feb 2018) 17:00 "Owings Mills Mall in 1986" (YouTube) 21:00 Lange's New York Magazine archive 21:00 Lange’s Tumblr 26:00 Witold Rybczynski’s Architect Magazine archive 30:00 The Design of Childhood: How the Material World Shapes Independent Kids (Bloomsbury • 2018) 35:00 New Angle: Voice (Beverly Willis Architecture Foundation) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lulu Garcia-Navarro is a former war correspondent and host of NPR’s Weekend Edition. Her new podcast, for the New York Times, is First Person. “I would always say that if you go cover a story and you already know what people are going to say, and you already have it in your head what the outcome is, and there's no surprise there, then that's a story that you shouldn't be working on. You have to allow the opportunity for there to be a journey. And for there to be something at the end of it, that is gonna be like, Wow. I really never thought that. I didn't think that I was coming here to report on that, but I guess that's what I'm here to report on.” Show notes: @lourdesgnavarro Garcia-Navarro's NPR archive 00:00 First Person (New York Times • 2022) 19:00 "Polk Award Winners: Clarissa Ward" (Longform Podcast • Apr 2022) 42:00 "Abortion Didn’t Feel Like an Option. Neither Did Motherhood." (New York Times • Jun 2022) 45:00 "Longform Podcast #1: Matthieu Aikins" (Aug 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Matt Levine is a finance columnist for Bloomberg News. His newsletter is Money Stuff. ”I write a lot about people who have gotten in trouble with the SEC or the Justice Department. And a surprising subset of them will email me. And often I will have made fun of them, and they'll be like, ‘That was pretty fair.’” Show notes: @matt_levine Levine's Bloomberg News and Money Stuff newsletter archive 19:00 "The Goldman Sachs Aluminum Conspiracy Was Pretty Silly" (Bloomberg News • Nov 2014) 22:00 "Don’t Insider Trade NFTs" (Bloomberg News • Jun 2022) 23:00 "Elon Has a New Bot Excuse" (Bloomberg News • Jun 2022) 24:00 "The GameStop Game Never Stops" (Bloomberg News • Jan 2021) 24:00 "Crypto Is Going Through Some Things" (Bloomberg News • May 2022) 39:00 Levine's Dealbreaker archive 44:00 Noahpinion (Noah Smith • Substack) 45:00 "Everything Everywhere Is Securities Fraud" (Bloomberg News • Jun 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We've got something a little different today, the trailer for co-host Evan Ratliff's brand-new podcast Persona: The French Deception. It's the story of Gilbert Chikli, one of the greatest con artists of all time. Over eight episodes, Evan investigates how Chikli duped some of the world’s most powerful people into handing over their fortunes, evaded the law for years, and became a Robin Hood-like hero to many in the process. More than just a tale of criminal genius, Persona is about the moment we’re living in right now — the golden age of scammers — and the power of seduction. But what happens when the fantasy we’ve been lured into finally crumbles away? The first two episodes of Persona: The French Deception are available starting today wherever you get your podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Molly Lambert is a writer and host of the new podcast HeidiWorld: The Heidi Fleiss Story. “I think as a writer I always had this thing: I don't want to be out front. I don't want the spotlight on me. I'm not an actor. I want to be lurking in the back with the cast accepting the applause, but I don't want to be the center of attention. And so I think kind of like making peace with like, Look man, it's fine to be the center of attention when you made something you're proud of.” Show notes: @mollylambert  Lambert on Longform HeidiWorld: The Heidi Fleiss Story (iHeartPodcasts • 2022) 01:00 Deckheads: Chief Stews! (Anna Hossnieh and Molly Lambert) 07:00 O.J.: Made in America (Ezra Edelman • ESPN Films, Laylow Films • 2016) 10:00 Inherent Vice (Thomas Pynchon • Penguin Books • 2010) 10:00 Vineland (Thomas Pynchon • Penguin Classics • 1997) 11:00 You Must Remember This (Karina Longworth) 11:00 Once Upon a Time… In the Valley: T-R-A-C-I (Lili Anolik • C13Originals • 2020) 12:00 Short Cuts (Robert Altman • Fine Line Features • 1993) 16:00 "Young Playwrights Get Off-Bway Spotlight in Sondheim Founded Fest" (Playbill • Sep 2002) 21:00 Lolita Podcast (Jamie Loftus • iHeartRadio • 2021) 24:00 "Porntopia" (Grantland • Mar 2015) 24:00 Karina Longworth on Longform Podcast 32:00 "‘Mad Men’ Week 1: Catching Tigers in Red Weather" (Grantland • Apr 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sam Knight is a London-based staff writer for The New Yorker. His new book is The Premonitions Bureau: A True Account of Death Foretold. “I had a kind of working definition of what a premonition was when I was writing this book, which is: It's not just a feeling. It's not just a hunch. It's just not like a sense in the air. It's like, you know. You know, and you don't even want to know because you can't know and no one's going to believe you that you know, but you know. And what are you going to do about it? It's a horrible feeling.” Show notes: @samknightwrites samknight.net Knight on Longform Knight's New Yorker archive Knight's Guardian archive 09:00 "Mixed up in Minsk" (Times of London • Mar 2007) 09:00 "Summer Celebrations in Mongolia" (Times of London • Dec 2007) 10:00 "Enter Left" (New Yorker • May 2016) 17:00 "Inside the Snow Globe" (Harper’s • Jul 2011) 21:00 "The Bouvier Affair" (New Yorker • Feb 2016) 21:00 "How Football Leaks is Exposing Corruption in European Soccer" New Yorker • Jun 2019) 21:00 "How the Sandwich Consumed Britain" (Guardian • Nov 2017) 21:00 "The Spectacular Power of Big Lens" (Guardian • May 2018) 27:00 "Sadiq Khan Takes on Brexit and Terror" (New Yorker • Jul 2017) 27:00 "The Empty Promise of Boris Johnson" (New Yorker • Jun 2019) 27:00 "Theresa May’s Impossible Choice" (New Yorker • Jul 2018) 27:00 "Nicola Sturgeon’s Quest for Scottish Independence" (New Yorker • May 2021) 28:00 "Operation London Bridge: The Secret Plans for the Days After the Queen's Death" (Guardian • Mar 2017) 30:00 "President Trump’s First Term" (Evan Osnos • New Yorker • Sep 2016) 30:00 "The Earthquake That Will Devastate the Pacific Northwest" (Kathryn Schulz • New Yorker • Jul 2015) 34:00 The Premonitions Bureau: A True Account of Death Foretold (Penguin • 2022) 45:00 "The Psychiatrist Who Believed People Could Tell the Future" (New Yorker • Mar 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mitchell S. Jackson is a journalist and author. His profile of Ahmaud Arbery, ”Twelve Minutes and a Life,” won the 2021 Pulitzer Prize for Feature Writing. ”What is 'great'? 'Great' isn’t really sales, right? No one cares what James Baldwin sold. So: Are you doing the important work?” Show notes: @MitchSJackson mitchellsjackson.com Jackson on Longform 00:00 "Twelve Minutes and a Life" (Runner’s World • Jun 2020) 01:00 Pafko at the Wall (Don DeLillo • Scribner • 2001) 03:00 "Ahmaud Arbery’s Final Minutes: What Videos and 911 Calls Show" (Malachy Browne, Drew Jordan, Dmitriy Khavin and Ainara Tiefenthaler • New York Times • May 2020) 12:00 "We Went to Vegas to Wring Joy From Heartbreak" (New York Times Magazine • Sep 2021) 16:00 Survival Math (Scribner • 2020) 24:00 The Residue Years (Bloomsbury • 2014) 29:00 "Chuck Palahniuk, Tom Spanbauer Share Writing Secrets" (Jeff Baker • Oregonian • May 2014) 34:00 "When Michael B. Jordan Promises to Come Home, He Means It" (Esquire • Nov 2019) 36:00 "Chris Rock's Plan for Immortality" (Esquire • May 2021) 44:00 "Prison" (Richard Just, Editor • Washington Post • Oct 2019) 44:00 "Calendars" (Washington Post • Oct 2019) 45:00 Olio (Tyehimba Jess • Wave Books • 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Bernstein is a senior reporter for BuzzFeed News. “The question of disinformation is almost an attempt to create a new mythology around why people act the way they do. I don’t mean to say that it’s some kind of nefarious plot. ... It’s a natural, or a convenient explanation. And that’s why I think it caught on for some time anyway.” Show notes: @Bernstein Bernstein on Longform 02:00 "Bad News: Selling the Story of Disinformation" (Harper's • Aug 2021) 12:00 "How Tucker Carlson Stoked White Fear to Conquer Cable" (Nicholas Confessore • New York Times • Apr 2022) 18:00 Subprime Attention Crisis: Advertising and the Time Bomb at the Heart of the Internet (Tim Hwang • FSG Originals • Oct 2020) 25:00 Charlie Warzel on Longform Podcast (Mar 2020) 26:00 "'Look At What We’re Doing With Your Money, You Dick': How Peter Thiel Backed An 'Anti-Woke' Film Festival" (BuzzFeed News • Mar 2022) 28:00 "The Curious Life and Mind-Altering Death of Justin Clark" (Christopher Robbins • New York Magazine • Feb 2022) 36:00 "'Corrosive Communities': How A Facebook Fight Over Wind Power Predicts the Future of Local Politics in America" (BuzzFeed News • Dec 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Vauhini Vara is a contributing writer at Wired and author of the novel The Immortal King Rao. “With a magazine story, it might be like six months or a year or two, if it's something that took you a long time. With this [novel], it was 13 years for me, but the sort of emotional arc felt similar, where there were these periods of despair and a sense that like, this wasn't going anywhere, and then these periods where like, I'm a genius and this is going to be the best book ever written. You go back and forth, as we do with our journalism. But then with every draft of it, I always felt like, all right, this is better than the last draft at least. I don't know what the next one is going to look like, but this is definitely an improvement. And I feel like that's what kept me feeling like I was at least moving in the right direction.” Show notes: @vauhinivara vauhinivara.com Vara on Longform 01:00 "Bee-Brained" (Harper's • May 2017) 11:00 "Special Counsel" (California Sunday • Jun 2015) 30:00 "New Workers of the World" (Bloomberg Businessweek • Jul 2017) 32:00 "Can This Startup Break Big Tech’s Hold on A.I.?" (Fortune • Jun 2018) 32:00 "Fast, Cheap, and Out of Control: Inside Shein’s Sudden Rise" (Wired • May 2022) 37:00 "Ghosts" (The Believer • Aug 2021) 37:00 "The Political Awakening of Silicon Valley" (California Sunday • Sep 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Azmat Khan is an investigative reporter for the New York Times Magazine. She won the George Polk Award for uncovering intelligence failures and civilian deaths associated with U.S. air strikes. “I think what was really damning for me is that, when I obtained these 1,300 records, in not one of them was there a single instance in which they describe any disciplinary action for anyone involved, or any findings of wrongdoing. … When I was looking at this in totality, suddenly it’s really hard to say you have a system of accountability.” This is the last in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Daniel Chang covers health care for the Miami Herald. Along with Carol Marbin Miller, he won the George Polk Award for "Birth & Betrayal," a series co-published with ProPublica that exposed the consequences of a 1988 law designed to shelter medical providers from lawsuits by funding lifelong care for children severely disabled by birth-related brain injuries. “I think that someone on the healthcare beat looks for stories from the perspective of patients, people who want or need to access the healthcare system and for different reasons cannot. It’s a pretty complicated system and it’s difficult for most people to understand how their health insurance works — and that’s if they have health insurance. If they don’t, there is a whole other system they have to go through. What you look for is access issues and accountability for that.” This is the latest in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah Stillman is a staff writer for The New Yorker and the director of the Global Migration Program at Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism. She won the George Polk Award for "The Migrant Workers Who Follow Climate Disasters." “I’m all about the Venn diagram where the individual meaningful stories of things people are up against intersect with the big systemic injustice issues of our day. It feels like climate is clearly an enormous domain where it’s been hard in some ways to tell substantive stories of where actual human beings are navigating and pushing back on some of these huge cultural forces.” This is the third in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Maria Abi-Habib is the bureau chief for Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean for the New York Times. Along with her colleague Frances Robles, Abi-Habib won the George Polk Award for revealing concealed aspects of the murder of Haitian president Jovenel Moïse. “We’re not going to stop covering Haiti just because you don’t like us … at the end of the day you owe it to your citizens to talk to the media because if you can’t talk to the media and actually answer some questions, how are you going to run a country? We’re not doing this for ourselves, we’re doing this because we think that Haiti matters and we think Haitians, like all citizens in this world, actually deserve some answers to their questions and to know what the truth is.” This is the second in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Clarissa Ward is the chief international correspondent for CNN. Along with field producer Brent Swails and photojournalists William Bonnett and Scott McWhinnie, Ward won the 2022 George Polk Award for her real-time coverage of the rapid rise of the Taliban as U.S. forces withdrew from Afghanistan last summer. “I used to come back from war zones and feel completely disconnected from my life—disconnected from my friends, from my family. I would look down on people about the conversations they were having about silly things. I would feel kind of numb and miserable. And then I realized that if you want to be able to keep doing this work, you have to choose to embrace the privileges that you've been given. And you have to choose joy and choose love and be kind to yourself and have a glass of wine and go dancing or run up a mountain—whatever it is that does it for you, embrace it. That is part of the tax you pay for surviving these things: You've got to continue to love life.” This is the first in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jackie MacMullan is an NBA journalist who has written for The Boston Globe, Sports Illustrated and ESPN. She hosts the podcast Icons Club for The Ringer. “[Athletes] think they don't need journalists—and they're wrong. And I tell them all this. I'm like, ‘I know you think you've got your own production company, but we can tell your story better than you can.' That's just the truth. No one tells their own story the best. It's the people around them that tell the story the best. And nobody wants a whitewashed version of you. They want warts and all. That's what makes you lovable. That's what makes you interesting. ... There are great journalists out there that can tell your story—and it might not be exactly the way you want it to be told, but it'll have weight and it'll have legacy to it.” Show notes: MacMullan's Sports Illustrated archive MacMullan's ESPN archive Jackie MacMullan says goodbye to Around the Horn 01:00 "Journalism Pioneer Jackie MacMullan, Former Globe Columnist, to Retire From ESPN" (Chad Finn • Boston Globe • Aug 2021) 18:00 Bird Watching: On Playing and Coaching the Game I Love (Larry Bird, Jackie MacMullan • Grand Central Publishing • 1999) 21:00 When the Game Was Ours (Larry Bird, Earvin Johnson, Jackie MacMullan • Houghton Mifflin Harcourt • 2009) 22:00 Shaq Uncut (Shaquille O’Neal, Jackie MacMullan • Grand Central Publishing • 2011) 24:00 Icons Club (The Ringer • 2022) 27:00 ESPN Daily (Pablo Torre • ESPN) 27:00 The Book of Basketball: The NBA According to the Sports Guy (Bill Simmons • ESPN • 2010) 39:00 The Last Dance (Netflix • 2020) 49:00 "When Making the NBA Isn't a Cure-All: Mental Health and Black Athletes" (ESPN • Aug 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

“Human beings, we are the same, right? Like when you come out of the womb, you need to eat, you need to sleep, you need to pee, you need to shit, and when it comes to emotional needs, you need to feel loved. You need to feel there's compassion, you know? You need to feel significant and of value. And when it comes to like the feeling of significance and feeling valued, I think that's where we start to get into trouble because the same things that you hold of value, I may not in the same way. […] And so if I can engage you and recognize the perspective from which you come, and at least give you an entry level or a human level of respect from the beginning, then the departure point for our engagement is a proper one, as opposed to an antagonistic one.” @alzoslade VICE on Showtime Cheat on Apple Podcasts 15:00 "Moment of Truth: The Day Dr. Christine Blasey Ford Told Her Story About Brett Kavanaugh" (VICE News • Oct 2018 2019) 20:00 "Season 1, Episode 2: India Burning & Russia's Fight Factory" (VICE on Showtime • Apr 2020) 25:00 "Season 1, Episode 5: Quitting WeWork & Losing Ground & Italy's Darkest Hour" (VICE on Showtime • Apr 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chloé Cooper Jones is a philosopher and journalist whose work has appeared in GQ, The Verge, The Believer and many other publications. Her new book is Easy Beauty. ”I literally didn't talk to anyone in my life about disability until I was, like, 30. Ever. Not my husband, not my friends, as little as possible to my own mother. I had this very bad idea that what I needed to do in every single social situation was wait until people could unsee my body…. And it was all in service of trying to be truly recognized or truly seen. And, of course, what was happening is I was involved in a complete act of self erasure because my body and my real self are related…. There is no real me without my physical self…. I did not think I was going to ever write about this, but once I started, it felt like I met myself for the first time.” Show notes: @CCooperJones chloecooperjones.com  Cooper Jones on Longform 00:00 Easy Beauty (Avid Reader Press/Simon & Schuster • 2022) 01:00 "Fearing for His Life" (The Verge • Mar 2019) 02:00 "Contemplating Beauty in a Disabled Body" (New York Times Magazine • Mar 2022) 19:00 "Such Perfection" (The Believer • Jun 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Maya Shankar is a cognitive scientist and the host of A Slight Change of Plans. ”I am a type A person through and through. I love having the five-year plan and the ten-year plan, and mapping it all out. By nature, that's what I'm like. And I think the series of pivots that my life has naturally taken, or I've had to take, has kind of soured me on that whole way of thinking. […] Maybe it's also that I'm a more grateful person than I used to be. Like, I feel more gratitude, and so part of my orientation now is, well, how lucky am I that I even stumbled upon something?” Show notes: @drmayashankar mayashankar.com Apple Podcasts' Best of 2021 35:00 A Slight Change of Plans, "A Black Musician Takes on the KKK" (Pushkin Industries • May 2021) 38:00 A Slight Change of Plans, "Maya's Slight Change of Plans" (Pushkin Industries • Oct 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hanif Abdurraqib is a poet, essayist, and critic whose work has appeared in The New Yorker, The New York Times Magazine and many other publications. His new book is A Little Devil in America: In Praise of Black Performance. “I learn from hearing my elders tell stories. There’s an inherent knowing of yourself as a vessel for narration who also has to—is required to—hold the attention of others at all costs. And that’s essentially what I’m trying to do. The broader project of my writing is almost a constant pleading of: Don’t leave yet. Stay here with me for just a little bit longer.” Show notes: @NifMuhammad abdurraqib.com  Abdurraqib on Longform 02:00 A Little Devil in America (Random House • 2021) 09:00 Psychotic Reactions and Carburetor Dung (Lester Bangs • Anchor • 1988) 10:00 The Crown Ain’t Worth Much (Button Poetry • 2016) 14:00 They Can’t Kill Us Until They Kill Us (Two Dollar Radio • 2017) 20:00 Go Ahead in the Rain: Notes to A Tribe Called Quest (University of Texas Press • 2019) 25:00 Stakes Is High (De La Soul • Tommy Boy, Warner Brothers • 1996) 33:00 Black Movie (Danez Smith • Button Poetry • 2014) 37:00 Abdurraqib's MTV News archive 39:00 "Mo Salah Is Ready to Make the Whole World Smile" (Bleacher Report • Jun 2018) 44:00 Red Dead Redemption (Rockstar Games • 2010) 47:00 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Nintendo • 2017) 47:00 Elden Ring (Bandai Namco Entertainment • 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joshua Yaffa is a correspondent for The New Yorker, the author of Between Two Fires: Truth, Ambition, and Compromise in Putin's Russia, and has been reporting from Ukraine for the last several weeks. His most recent article is "What the Russian Invasion Has Done to Ukraine." “I’m not at all a conflict reporter. I don't like it, though who would like being in these situations? But this is the story, right? If you cover this part of the world, if the war in 2014 felt like the tectonic plates of history were shifting, now they're just erupting, crashing. This is the asteroid-impact event for this part of the world with effects that will last similarly long going forward.” Show notes: @yaffaesque joshuayaffa.com Yaffa on Longform Longform Podcast #379: Joshua Yaffa Yaffa's New Yorker archive 03:00 "On the Road With Ukraine's Refugees" (Sabrina Tavernise • The Daily • Mar 2022) 7:00 "What the Russian Invasion Has Done to Ukraine" (New Yorker • Mar 2022) 12:00 "Ukraine's Unlikely New President, Promising a New Style of Politics, Gets a Taste of Trump's Swamp" (New Yorker • Oct 2019) 33:00 "In the Rubble of Kharkiv, Survivors Make Their Stand: ‘It’s a War, and It’s a Dirty War’" (Yaroslav Trofimov • Wall Street Journal • Mar 2022) 33:00 "A Russian airstrike kills 9 civilians in Mykolaiv" (Michael Schwirtz • New York Times • Mar 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Heather Havrilesky writes the Ask Polly and Ask Molly newsletters. Her latest book is Foreverland: On the Divine Tedium of Marriage. “It’s not a good story when you're bullshitting people. I didn't want this book to feel like bullshit…. I wanted to show enough that you could feel reassured that it's normal to feel conflicted about your life and the people in it. It's normal to feel anxious about how much people love you. And it's normal to feel avoidant about how much people love you. It's normal to feel like a failure in the face of trying to stay with someone over the course of your entire life.” Show notes: @hhavrilesky  Havrilesky on Longform  Havrilesky on Longform Podcast Foreverland: On the Divine Tedium of Marriage (Ecco • 2022) 1:00 "US author, 51, confesses she 'hates' her husband of 16 years in new memoir about what marriage is REALLY like - as she compares him to 'a pointy Lego brick underfoot' and 'a snoring heap of meat' (but they're not splitting up)" (Harriet Johnson • Daily Mail • Feb 2022) 01:00 "Woman Claims She “Hates” Husband In Memoir" (The View) 06:00 Disaster Preparedness (Riverhead Books • 2011) 06:00 What If This Were Enough? (Anchor • 2019) 06:00 Havrilesky's New York archive 06:00 askpolly.substack.com 06:00 askmolly.substack.com 11:00 "Heather Havrilesky Compares Her Husband to a Heap of Laundry" (Walter Kirn • New York Times • Feb 2022) 12:00 "Marriage Requires Amnesia" (New York Times • Dec 2021) 14:00 "Heather Havrilesky on hating her husband and her tell-all memoir, Foreverland" (Willy Somma • Times UK • Feb 2022) 15:00 "Wife calls marriage ‘insane,’ hates her husband: ‘Snoring heap of meat’" (Andrew Court • New York Post • Feb 2022) 27:00 How to Be a Person in the World (Anchor • 2017) 32:00 "Our ‘Mommy’ Problem" (New York Times • Nov 2014) 48:00 Havrilesky’s Twitter thread addressing The View (Mar 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Laura Shin is a journalist covering cryptocurrency and hosts the podcast Unchained. Her new book is The Cryptopians: Idealism, Greed, Lies, and the Making of the First Big Cryptocurrency Craze. “I was extremely well-acquainted with what the failings were with our traditional financial system. I was seeing through my other reporting how everything works now, and really understanding, whoa, this is not a good system. And then getting this education on what bitcoin is, I understood right away: wow, this is going to change the world.” Show notes: @laurashin laurashin.com 03:00 The Fintech 50 (Forbes) 16:00 The Breakdown Podcast (Nathaniel Whittemore • Coindesk) 29:00 "Exclusive: Austrian Programmer And Ex Crypto CEO Likely Stole $11 Billion Of Ether" (Forbes • Feb 2022) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tara Westover is the author of Educated. “I used to be so fearful. ... I was afraid of losing my family. Then, after I had lost them, I was afraid that I made the wrong decision. Then I wrote the book and I was afraid that was the wrong decision. Everything made me frightened back then, and I just—I don't have that feeling now.” Show notes: @tarawestover tarawestover.com 00:00 Educated (Random House • 2018) 09:00 "I Am Not Proof of the American Dream" (New York Times • Feb 2022) 21:00 A Visit from the Goon Squad (Jennifer Egan • Knopf • 2011) 35:00 Nobel Lecture (Kazuo Ishiguro • 2017) 36:00 The Body Keeps the Score (Bessel Van Der Kolk • Penguin • 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Matthieu Aikins is a contributing writer at The New York Times Magazine who has reported on Afghanistan since 2008. His new book is The Naked Don’t Fear the Water: An Underground Journey with Afghan Refugees. “I think at some point you just say, screw it. I'm gonna act like a human being and help my friend. That's the most important thing. You actually realize, yeah, now that we're in it together, the only thing that matters is both of us staying alive and staying safe and getting where we need to go. And whatever I have to do to do that, I'm going to do.” Show notes: @mattaikins maikins.com Aikins on Longform Longform Podcast #1: Matthieu Aikins 08:00 "The Master of Spin Boldak" (Harper's • Dec 2009) 38:00 Aikins on The Daily (New York Times • Sep 2021) 39:00 "Inside the Fall of Kabul" (New York Times Magazine • Dec 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brian Reed and Hamza Syed are co-hosts of the new podcast The Trojan Horse Affair. “I had lost all faith in the reporting that already happened on the subject matter. And that was my mentality with each source and each interviewer. I wanted the debate ended in the room because I didn't want commentary beyond it. I didn't want any kind of interpretation beyond it. I wanted the situation to be resolved there and then…. And without certain answers, I thought we weren't going to be able to speak about this matter in the way that I wanted to speak about it.” —Syed “I both desperately wanted to know the answer of who wrote the letter, but kind of understood that we probably weren't going to get it beyond a shadow of a doubt. And I thought that I had transmitted that to Hamza and that he understood that. But as time went on, I realized that he had not accepted that as the likely outcome. And this is what was actually so energizing to work with you, Hamza. You never let your hope and desire and hunger to get that answer ever get dimmed. Like, ever.” —Reed Show notes: @BriHReed @HamzaMSyed Reed on Longform Podcast 00:00 S-Town (Serial Productions • 2017)  01:00 The Trojan Horse Affair (Serial Productions • 2022)  21:56 "Trojan Horse Primary Barred Muslims from Easter Classes, Tribunal Hears" (Richard Adams • The Guardian • Dec 2015)  49:00 Serial: Season Three (Serial Productions • 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chuck Klosterman is a journalist and the author of eleven books, including his latest, The Nineties. ”Selling out… was very much injected into the way I understood the world…. And I am now supposed to do all of these interviews and all of these podcasts promoting this book. And because it's a book about the nineties… it feels incredibly uncomfortable to me…. I think young people assume that selling out is only about money: that if you try to do something to make money, that means you're selling out, because the word ‘sell’ is in there. But that's not really how it was. I mean, what you were selling out was this idea of your integrity. And what your integrity was, was somehow not doing anything to make other people like you.” Show notes: @CKlosterman chuckklostermanauthor.com Klosterman on Longform 00:00 The Nineties (Penguin Press • 2022) 10:00 Capitalist Realism (Mark Fisher • Zer0 Books • 2009) 15:00 Klosterman's SPIN archive 29:00 Fargo Rock City (Scribner • 2001) 30:00 Sex, Drugs and Cocoa Puffs (Scribner • 2003) 31:00 Killing Yourself to Live (Scribner • 2005) 57:00 "A 12th L.A. Lakers Title and Remembering Eddie Van Halen with Ryen Russillo and Chuck Klosterman" (The Bill Simmons Podcast • 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Khabat Abbas is an independent journalist and video producer from northeastern Syria, and the winner of the 2021 Kurt Schork News Fixer Award. ”I can see from my experience that there is a gap between the editors, who are kind of elites in their luxury offices, and the amazing journalists who are in the field, who all sympathize with what they are seeing on the ground and want to cover [it], but they have to satisfy the editors. And this is how we end up having little gaps in the ways of covering in general. It's not a matter of like, they shaped it in this way. The problem, I think, it’s bigger. How this industry is working, how this industry is deciding what they should cover.” Show notes: @khabat_abas Kurt Schork Awards in International Journalism 34:00 "'Belief Allows Us to Move Forward,' Said One Female Soldier in Battle Against ISIS" (ABC News • July 2017) 40:00 "The Former 'Caliphate Capital' Is Haunted by Fears of an ISIS Comeback" (Washington Post • May 2020) 43:00 "How ISIS Women and Their Children Are Being Left Stranded in the Desert" (Washington Post • Dec 2019) 43:00 "ISIS at a Crossroads" (Washington Post • Dec 2019) 43:00 "After the ISIS Caliphate: Thousands of Islamic State Fighters Captured in Syria Face Uncertain Fate" (Washington Post • Dec 2019) 51:00 "'This Is Ethnic Cleansing': A Dispatch from Kurdish Syria" (New York Review of Books • Oct 2019) 51:00 "For Kurds on the Syrian Front Line There’s No Ceasefire" (The Daily Beast • Nov 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michael Schulman is a staff writer for The New Yorker. He recently profiled Jeremy Strong of Succession. ”There's an interesting moment that's part of this job where you’ve spent a lot of time with someone and it often feels very personal and very intimate. And then when you go to write the piece, you have to sort of take a breath and say to yourself, Okay, I'm not writing this for this person. I'm writing this for the reader.” Show notes: @MJSchulman michael-schulman.com Schulman on Longform Schulman's New Yorker archive 01:00 "On ‘Succession,’ Jeremy Strong Doesn’t Get the Joke" (New Yorker • Dec 2021) 03:00 Her Again: Becoming Meryl Streep (Harper • 2016) 09:00 "Wendy Williams Dishes the Dirt" (New Yorker • May 2021) 35:00 "Adam Driver, the Original Man" (New Yorker • Oct 2019) 37:00 "A Defense of Jeremy Strong (and All the Strivers With No Chill)" (Elizabeth Spiers • New York Times • Jan 2022) 44:00 "Bridget Everett is Larger than Life" (New Yorker • Jan 2022) 45:00 "The Otherworldly Comedy of Julio Torres" (New Yorker • Dec 2020) 47:00 "Bo Burnham’s Age of Anxiety" (New Yorker • Jun 2018) 47:00 "Troye Sivan’s Coming of Age" (New Yorker • Jun 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah Marshall is a writer and hosts the podcast You're Wrong About. ”I love it when people tell me that listening to the way I talk about these people in the stories that we tell, and just about the world generally, has made them practice empathy more. I almost feel like I have preserved this a-little-bit-past version of myself, because I've been on this journey throughout the pandemic of becoming pretty cynical, and then deciding cynicism is a luxury and that it feels better, ultimately, to try to believe in people.” Show notes: remembersarahmarshall.com Marshall on Longform You're Wrong About 05:00 "Your 2012 Baby Name Guide: Puritan Edition" (The Hairpin • Jan 2012) 08:00 "Remote Control" (The Believer • Jan 2014) 12:00 "The End of Evil" (The Believer • Feb 2018) 17:00 "Talking Tammy Faye Bakker w. Jessica Chastain" (You're Wrong About • Jan 2022) 46:00 "The O.J. Simpson Trial: The DeLorean Detour" (You're Wrong About • Feb 2021) 47:00 "The O.J. Simpson Trial: Kato Kaelin Part 1" (You're Wrong About • Dec 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Abe Streep is a journalist and contributing editor for Outside. His new book is Brothers on Three: A True Story of Family, Resistance, and Hope on a Reservation in Montana. ”The way journalists talk about, ‘Did you get the story?’—that's not how I see this. That would be extractive in this setting, I think. If someone shares something personal with me, that is a serious matter. It's a gift and you’ve got to treat it with great respect.” Show notes: @abestreep abestreep.com  Streep on Longform 03:00 "What the Arlee Warriors Were Playing For" (New York Times Magazine • Apr 2018) 03:00 Brothers on Three: A True Story of Family, Resistance, and Hope on a Reservation in Montana (Celadon Books • 2021) 09:00 "The Legends of Last Place" (The Atavist • Apr 2013) 24:00 Custer Died for Your Sins (Vine Deloria • University of Oklahoma Press • 1988) 34:00 Friday Night Lights (H.G. Bissinger • Da Capo • 1990) 34:00 The Last Shot: City Streets, Basketball Dreams (Darcy Frey • Houghton Mifflin • 1994) 35:00 Counting Coup: A True Story of Basketball and Honor on the Little Big Horn (Larry Colton • Grand Central • 2001) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Connie Walker is an investigative reporter and podcast host. Her latest show is Stolen: The Search for Jermain. “For so long, there has been this kind of history of journalists coming in and taking stories from Indigenous communities. And that kind of extractive, transactional kind of journalism really causes a lot of harm. And so much of our work is trying to undo and address that. There is a way to be a storyteller and help amplify and give people agency in their stories.” Show notes: @connie_walker Walker's CBC News archive 00:00 Missing & Murdered (CBC News) 04:00 "The Injustice to Pamela George Continues Long After Her Murder" (Heather Mallick • Toronto Star • Jan 2020) 08:00 Street Cents (CBC) 12:00 "Alicia Ross: Everyone’s Daughter" (Catherine McDonald • Global News • Apr 2020) 14:00 Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada 19:00 8th Fire, Ep. 1: "Indigenous in the City" (CBC • 2012) 19:00 8th Fire, Ep. 2: "It’s Time" (CBC • 2012) 19:00 8th Fire, Ep. 3: "Whose Land Is It Anyway?" (CBC • 2012) 19:00 8th Fire, Ep. 4: "At the Crossroads" (CBC • 2012) 22:00 "Missing and Murdered Aboriginal Women: A National Operational Overview" (Royal Canadian Mounted Police • 2014) 24:00 "Missing and Murdered: The Life and Mysterious Death of Leah Anderson" (CBC News • Mar 2015) 26:00 Serial 27:00 "Amber Tuccaro's Unsolved Murder: Do You Recognize This Voice?" (Marnie Luke and Connie Walker • CBC News • Jun 2015) 27:00 "Unresolved: Patricia Carpenter" (Holly Moore • CBC News • Jun 2016) 27:00 Missing & Murdered Season 1: Who Killed Alberta Williams? (Connie Walker and Marnie Luke • CBC News) 27:00 Missing & Murdered Season 2: Finding Cleo (Connie Walker and Marnie Luke • CBC News) 35:00 Ochberg Fellowship 37:00 "Duncan McCue on Reporting in Indigenous Communities" (Ryerson Today • Apr 2018) 37:00 Reporting in Indigenous Communities Guide (Duncan McCue) 39:00 Stolen (Gimlet • 2021) 39:00 "Jermain Charlo Missing Two Years on Tuesday" (Seaborn Larson • Missoulian • Jun 2020) 44:00 "Monday's Montanan: Lauren Small Rodriguez Helps Native Trafficking Survivors" (Patrick Reilly • Missoulian • Feb 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Parul Sehgal, a former a book critic for The New York Times, is now a staff writer at The New Yorker. “My job is I think to be honest with the reader and to keep surfacing new ways for me and for other people to think about books. New vocabularies of pleasure and disgust.” Show notes: parulsehgal.com @parul_sehgal Sehgal's New York Times archive “Mothers of Invention: A Group of Authors Finds New Narrative Possibilities in Parenthood” (Bookforum • 2015) “In Letters to the World, a New Wave of Memoirs Draws on the Intimate” (New York Times • 2019) “#MeToo Is All Too Real. But to Better Understand it, Turn to Fiction.” (New York Times • 2019) Jia Tolentino on Longform “Peter Luger Used to Sizzle. Now It Sputters.” (Pete Wells • New York Times • 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

George Saunders is the author of eleven books. His latest is A Swim in a Pond in the Rain: In Which Four Russians Give a Master Class on Writing, Reading, and Life. ”I really have so much affection for being alive. I really enjoy it. And yet, I’m a little negative minded in a lot of ways too, like I really think things tend to be fucked up. ... To get that on the page—to sufficiently praise the loveliness of the world without being a sap, and also lacerate the world for being so goddamn mean—to do those in the same story would be a great aspiration. And I haven’t gotten there yet.” Show notes: georgesaundersbooks.com Saunders on Longform Saunders on the Longform Podcast (Jan 2014) Saunders' Story Club newsletter 16:00 "First Thohts on Reviision" (Story Club • Dec 2021) 28:00 "The Great Divider" (GQ • Jan 2007) 48:00 "Sea Oak" (New Yorker • Dec 1998) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Emily Oster is an economist, professor, and author. Her new book is The Family Firm. ”[COVID] has been 18 months of being a person who is slightly more public, who is saying things that are somewhat more controversial, where people yell at me a lot. ... I do much less reading of the comments than I did early on because I found that eventually I just got mad and that's not a productive way to interact. And it affects how I think about what I write, and I would like what I write to be the things that I think are true, not the things I think will avoid people being angry.” Show notes: @ProfEmilyOster emilyoster.net "Steve Cohen-Backed Radkl Hires DeFi Trader Aaron Lammer" (Nick Baker • Bloomberg • Nov 2021) Expecting Better (Penguin Books • 2014) Cribsheet (Penguin Books • 2020) The Family Firm (Penguin Books • 2021) Oster’s Parent Data newsletter 35:00 "Antibiotics and Allergies, Zika, Travel Baby Carriers..." (Parent Data • Feb 2020) 36:00 "Grandparents & Day Care" (Parent Data • May 2020) 36:00 "She Fought to Reopen Schools, Becoming a Hero and a Villain" (Dana Goldstein • New York Times • Jun 2021) 36:00 "Emily Oster, the Brown Economist, Is Launching a New Data Hub on Schools and the Pandemi." (Dana Goldstein • New York Times • Sept 2021) 36:00 "Schools Aren’t Super-Spreaders" (The Atlantic • Oct 2020) 37:00 "Your Unvaccinated Kid Is Like a Vaccinated Grandma" (The Atlantic • Mar 2021) 42:00 Oster’s COVID-19 School Response Dashboard 44:00 "Emily Oster Thinks of Herself As an Expert on Data in Parenting, Not Parenting Itself" (Alex Hazlett • The Cut • Aug 2021) 45:00 "Pandemic Schooling Mode and Student Test Scores: Evidence from US States" (Clare Halloran, Rebecca Jack, James Okun, Emily Oster • NBER • Nov 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kelefa Sanneh is a staff writer at The New Yorker. His book is Major Labels: A History of Popular Music in Seven Genres. “I’m always thinking about how to not be that person at a party who corners you and tells you about their favorite thing and you’re trying to get away. It’s got to feel light and fun. And what that means in practice is writing about music for readers who don’t care about music, while at the same time writing something that the connoisseurs don’t roll their eyes too hard at.” Show notes: Sanneh on Longform Sanneh's New Yorker archive 01:00 "The Education of a Part-Time Punk" (New Yorker • Sep 2021) 14:00 "Paul McCartney Doesn't Really Want to Stop the Show" (David Remnick • New Yorker • Oct 2021) 17:00 "How Morgan Wallen Became the Most Wanted Man in Country" (New Yorker • Dec 2020) 23:00 "Party of One" (New Yorker • Jul 2009) 25:00 "Can Jake Paul Fight His Way Out of Trouble?" (New Yorker • Nov 2021) 34:00 "Gettin' Paid" (New Yorker • Aug 2001) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Anita Hill is a professor and author. Her new book is Believing: Our Thirty-Year Journey to End Gender Violence. "I really do feel that my life now has purpose. And my responsibility really is to live out that purpose as much as possible. The reason that this isn’t entirely daunting is that I realize I am one individual. And that the issues will not depend on me entirely. … But I also realize that every person who has the opportunity should be involved, and that includes me." Show notes: @AnitaHill 00:00 Believing: Our Thirty-Year Journey to End Gender Violence (Viking • 2021) 01:00 Because of Anita (Pineapple Street Studios • 2021) 01:00 Getting Even with Anita Hill (Pushkin Industries) 01:00 "Believing Is A Book Only Anita Hill Could Have Written" (Danielle Kurtzleben • NPR • Sep 2021) 33:00 "The Bad Guys Are Winning" (Anne Applebaum • The Atlantic • Nov 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ben Austen is a journalist and the author of High-Risers: Cabrini-Green and the Fate of American Public Housing. Khalil Gibran Muhammad is the Ford Foundation Professor of History, Race and Public Policy at Harvard Kennedy School and the author of The Condemnation of Blackness: Race, Crime, and the Making of Modern Urban America. Together they host the podcast Some of My Best Friends Are. ”We're not pretending to have all the answers, but we are attempting to say, ‘this is a real issue and it can't be covered up by simply ignoring it.’ And if you can see it for what it is and all of its full dimensions, you have a better shot at bringing people along to get the work done to fix it.” Show notes: @ben_austen @KhalilGMuhammad Austen on Longform Muhammad on Longform 01:00 High-Risers: Cabrini-Green and the Fate of American Public Housing (Ben Austen • HarperCollins • 2019) 01:00 The Condemnation of Blackness: Race, Crime, and the Making of Modern Urban America (Khalil Gibran Muhammad • Harvard University Press • 2019) 01:00 "The Barbaric History of Sugar in America" (Khalil Gibran Muhammad • New York Times Magazine • Aug 2019) 29:00 Some of My Friends Are, "Critical Race Theory in the Classroom" (Pushkin Industries • Sep 2021) 36:00 "And So Jedidiah Brown Gave All of Himself to the City He Loved" (Ben Austen • Huffington Post • Sep 2017) 43:00 Some of My Friends Are, "European Prisons vs. American Prisons" (Pushkin Industries • Sep 2021) 43:00 "Race and Racism Through the Lens of an Interracial Friendship" (The Brian Lehrer Show • Sep 2021) 54:00 Some of My Friends Are, "Fighting Inequities Through Art" (Pushkin Industries • Nov 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Casey Johnston is a journalist and editor who writes the column "Ask A Swole Woman," which now appears in her newsletter ”She's a Beast.” ”I feel more comfortable lately with a sort of beloved-local-restaurant level of success. What's nice about Substack is that we've come to this place that I hope lasts where we can have this sort of local restaurant relationship with writers, or I can have that with readers, where I don't have to be part of this big machine in order to do something that I really like.” Show notes: @caseyjohnston caseyjohnston.net She's A Beast newsletter Ask a Swole Woman at VICE 13:00 My 14-Hour Search for the End of TGI Friday's Endless Appetizers (Caity Weaver • Gawker • Jul 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mitchell S. Jackson is a journalist and author. His profile of Ahmaud Arbery, ”Twelve Minutes and a Life,” won the 2021 Pulitzer Prize for Feature Writing. ”What is 'great'? 'Great' isn’t really sales, right? No one cares what James Baldwin sold. So: Are you doing the important work?” Show notes: @MitchSJackson mitchellsjackson.com Jackson on Longform 00:00 "Twelve Minutes and a Life" (Runner’s World • Jun 2020) 01:00 Pafko at the Wall (Don DeLillo • Scribner • 2001) 03:00 "Ahmaud Arbery’s Final Minutes: What Videos and 911 Calls Show" (Malachy Browne, Drew Jordan, Dmitriy Khavin and Ainara Tiefenthaler • New York Times • May 2020) 12:00 "We Went to Vegas to Wring Joy From Heartbreak" (New York Times Magazine • Sep 2021) 16:00 Survival Math (Scribner • 2020) 24:00 The Residue Years (Bloomsbury • 2014) 29:00 "Chuck Palahniuk, Tom Spanbauer Share Writing Secrets" (Jeff Baker • Oregonian • May 2014) 34:00 "When Michael B. Jordan Promises to Come Home, He Means It" (Esquire • Nov 2019) 36:00 "Chris Rock's Plan for Immortality" (Esquire • May 2021) 44:00 "Prison" (Richard Just, Editor • Washington Post • Oct 2019) 44:00 "Calendars" (Washington Post • Oct 2019) 45:00 Olio (Tyehimba Jess • Wave Books • 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ben Smith is the media columnist for The New York Times. He was the founding editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed News. ”I do think there's some kind of personality flaw deep in there of wanting to like, you know, find stuff out and tell people.... I'm not sure that's a totally sane or healthy personality trait, but it is definitely, for me, a personality trait…. I think that in political reporting, certainly, there's a kind of reporter who thinks that their job is basically to pull the masks off of these monsters. And I generally tend to think all these people—with some exceptions—are weird and complicated and often doing really awful things. But they aren't necessarily irredeemable or impossible to understand…. They're interesting.” Show notes: @benyt Smith on Longform Smith on Longform Podcast Smith's New York Times archive Smith's BuzzFeed News archive 04:00 "Goldman Sachs, Ozy Media and a $40 Million Conference Call Gone Wrong" (New York Times • Sept 2021) 11:00 "At Axel Springer, Politico’s New Owner, Allegations of Sex, Lies and a Secret Payment" (New York Times • Oct 2021) 11:00 "Powerful German Newspaper Ousts Editor After Times Report on Workplace Behavior" (New York Times • Oct 2021) 15:00 "Uber Executive Suggests Digging Up Dirt On Journalists" (BuzzFeed News • Nov 2014) 15:00 "Starting Trouble With Times Media Columnist Ben Smith" (New York Magazine • Sept 2020) 15:00 "Chaos Theory: A Unified Theory of Muppet Types" (Dahlia Lithwick • Slate • Jun 2012) 21:00 "Postcard From Peru: Why the Morality Plays Inside The Times Won’t Stop" (New York Times • Feb 2021) 21:00 "An Arrest in Canada Casts a Shadow on a New York Times Star" (New York Times • Oct 2020) 22:00 "What’s Really Happening At The New York Times" (BuzzFeed • Nov 2019) 23:00 "Why the Success of The New York Times May Be Bad News for Journalism" (New York Times • Mar 2020) 23:00 "Exclusive: New York Times Editor Dean Baquet Has Been Running the Gray Lady from L.A." (Kali Hays • Los Angeles Magazine • July 2021) 24:00 "Why Hasn’t the New York Times Made Ben Smith Sell His BuzzFeed Options Yet?" (Justin Peters • Slate • Oct 2021) 27:00 David Carr's New York Times archive 33:00 "Muslims Barred from Picture at Obama Event" (Politico • Jun 2008) 36:00 "Ghostwriting" (Alex Sujong Laughlin • Study Hall • Oct 2021) 38:00 "These Reports Allege Trump Has Deep Ties to Russia" (Ken Bensigner, Miriam Elder, Mark Schoofs • BuzzFeed News • Jan 2017) 40:00 Platformer (Casey Newton) 40:00 Garbage Day (Ryan Broderick) 40:00 Ask Polly (Heather Havrilesky) 40:00 Ask Molly (Heather Havrilesky) 41:00 70 Over 70 (Max Linsky • Pineapple Street Studios) 41:00 "What’s the Key to a Good Life? Ask the People Who’ve Lived Long Enough to Know." (Margaret Sullivan • The Washington Post • May 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jay Caspian Kang is a contributor at New York Times Magazine. His new book is The Loneliest Americans. ”I have a lot of thoughts and talk to people to make sure my thoughts are right, or change them because I think they're wrong. What more does one want out of an intellectual life? It's good work.” Show notes: @jaycaspiankang Kang on Longform Kang on Longform Podcast (Apr 2013) Kang on Longform Podcast (Aug 2017) Kang’s New York Times Magazine newsletter 5:00 "The High Is Always the Pain and the Pain Is Always the High" (The Morning News • Oct 2010) 12:00 "Bing Liu Sees Skateboarding as a Tool for Life" (New York Times Magazine • Jan 2019) 35:00 Time To Say Goodbye podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mary Roach is the author of seven nonfiction books, including her latest, Fuzz: When Nature Breaks the Law. "In these realms of the taboo, there's a tremendous amount of material that is really interesting, but that people have stayed away from. ... I'm kind of a bottom feeder. It's down there on the bottom where people don't want to go. But if that's what it takes to find interesting, new material, I'm fine with it. I don't care. I'm not easily grossed out. I don't feel that there's any reason why we shouldn't look at this. And over time, I started to feel that ... the taboo was preventing people from having conversations that it would be healthy to have." Show notes: @mary_roach maryroach.net Roach on Longform 01:00 Fuzz: When Nature Breaks the Law (W.W. Norton • 2021) 01:00 Stiff: The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers (W.W. Norton • 2003) 01:00 Bonk: The Curious Coupling of Science and Sex (W.W. Norton • 2008) 01:00 Packing for Mars: The Curious Science of Life in the Void (W.W. Norton • 2010) 01:00 Gulp: Adventures on the Alimentary Canal (W.W. Norton • 2014) 02:00 "Cute Inc." (Wired • Dec 1999) 12:00 Roach's Salon archive 46:00 "Hot Seat" (Discover • Mar 1998) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

E. Alex Jung is a senior writer for Vulture and New York.  ”When I'm in that space, I try to be a sponge. I'll just absorb whatever's happening or going on, and I'll be down to do mostly anything. I was actually thinking recently about what my limits would be in a profile. I was like—heroin? I don't think I would do that.” Show notes: @e_alexjung Jung on Longform Jung's Vulture archive 4:00 "Come as You Are" (The Morning News • Apr 2012) 15:00 "Real Talk With RuPaul" (Vulture • Mar 2016) 18:00 "Bong Joon-ho’s Dystopia Is Already Here" (New York • Oct 2019) 24:00 "Michaela the Destroyer" (New York • Jul 2020) 26:00 "The Joke Was Never on Jennifer Coolidge" (Vulture • Jul 2021) 31:00 "Thandie Newton Is Finally Ready to Speak Her Mind" (Vulture • Jul 2020) 34:00 "The Only One" (Hilton Als • New Yorker • Nov 1994) 39:57 "Anthony Veasna So Knew He Was a Star" (Vulture • Aug 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Max Chafkin is a features editor and reporter for Bloomberg Businessweek. His new book is The Contrarian: Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley’s Pursuit of Power. “I think there's like a really good way to come up with story ideas where you basically just look for people who have given TED Talks and figure out what they're lying about. And there's also a tendency in the press to pump up these startups based on those stories…. It's worth taking a critical look at these stars of the moment. Because often there's not as much there as we think. And if you’re talking about Theranos or something, there's some potential to do harm—but also it means that maybe more worthwhile efforts are not getting the attention they deserve.” Show notes: @chafkin maxchafkin.com Chafkin on Longform Chafkin's Bloomberg Businessweek archive 02:00 "Anything Could Happen" (Inc. • Mar 2008) 09:00 "A Broken Place: The Spectacular Failure Of The Startup That Was Going To Change The World" (Fast Company • Apr 2014) 15:00 The Contrarian: Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley’s Pursuit of Power (Penguin Press • 2021) 22:00 Conspiracy: A True Story of Power, Sex, and a Billionaire’s Secret Plot to Destroy a Media Empire (Portfolio • 2019) 25:00 "The Education of a Libertarian" (Peter Thiel • Cato Unbound • Apr 2009) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hannah Giorgis is a staff writer at The Atlantic. Her latest feature is "Most Hollywood Writers’ Rooms Look Nothing Like America.” ”In general, when we talk about representation, we talk about what we see on our screens. We're talking about actors, we're talking about who are the lead characters, what are the storylines that they're getting. And I'm always interested in that. But I'm really, really interested in power ... how it operates, and process.” Show notes: @hannahgiorgis hannahgiorgis.com 01:00 "Most Hollywood Writers’ Rooms Look Nothing Like America” (The Atlantic • Sep 2021) 05:00 "How the '90s Kinda World of Living Single Lives on Today" (The Atlantic • Aug 2018) 05:00 Longform Podcast #165: Jazmine Hughes 17:00 "Corporate America’s $50 Billion Promise" (Tracy Jan, Jena McGregor, Meghan Hoyer • Washington Post • Aug 2021) 23:00 "tattoo this article on my back." (Issa Rae • Twitter) 25:00 "One Of The World's Best Long Distance Runners Is Now Running For His Life" (Buzzfeed • Nov 2016) 27:00 "The Fleeting Promise of a Peaceful Ethiopia" (The Atlantic • Apr 2021) 36:00 "Episode 5: Young East African Girl (with Hannah Giorgis)" ( Tracy Clayton, Heben Nigatu • Another Round • Apr 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah A. Topol is a writer-at-large for The New York Times Magazine. Her latest feature is ”Is Taiwan Next?” ”I think you never actually ask people head-on about what they've been through. You always ask people to just tell you what they want to tell you about anything that has happened to them…. This event that happened to you, it doesn't define you. It’s not why I'm here necessarily. Like, tell me about your childhood. Tell me about your life. Tell me about the things you think are important in your community. And by the time we get to the traumatic part, I hope they've seen enough of who I am and how I interview to feel comfortable telling me that they don't want to talk about certain things.” Show notes: @satopol sarahatopol.com Topol on Longform 01:00 "Is Taiwan Next?" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2021) 03:00 "The Schoolteacher and the Genocide" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2019) 03:00 "Trained to Kill: How Four Boy Soldiers Survived Boko Haram" (New York Times Magazine • Jun 2017) 03:00 "Her Uighur Parents Were Model Chinese Citizens. It Didn’t Matter." (New York Times Magazine • Jan 2020) 03:00 "He Played by the Rules of Putin’s Russia, Until He Didn’t: The Story of a Murder" (New York Times Magazine • Feb 2019) 03:00 "Sons and Daughters" (Harper’s • Aug 2017) 03:00 "This is How You Start a War: Libya’s Frantic Fight for the Future" (GQ • Jun 2011) 12:00 "The Bears Who Came to Town and Would Not Go Away" (Outside • Jun 2016) 30:00 The Beach (Alex Garland • Riverhead • 1997) 37:00 "Tea and Kidnapping" (Atlantic • Oct 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lawrence Wright is an author, screenwriter, playwright, and a staff writer for The New Yorker. ”There’s nothing more important about a person than their story. In a way, that’s who we are. And yet, memories fade and people die. So those stories disappear and the job of the journalist is to go out before that happens and accumulate the kinds of stories that are going to help us understand who we are, why we are, where we are right now in time, and try to thread those stories into a coherent narrative. In a way, you give it a kind of immortality. And that’s a big job. It’s a great privilege.” Show notes: @lawrence_wright 00:30 Longform Podcast #83: Lawrence Wright 01:00 God Save Texas: a Journey into the Soul of the Lone Star State (Vintage Books • 2019) 01:00 The End of October (Penguin Random House • 2020) 05:30 "Back in Egypt" (The New Yorker • April 2002) 18:30 "The Plague Year" (The New Yorker • Jan 2021) 19:00 "Zawahiri at the Helm" (The New Yorker • June 2011) 35:00 Remembering Satan A Tragic Case of Recovered Memory (Penguin Random House • 1995) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kirby Dick and Amy Ziering are documentary filmmakers. Their latest miniseries is Allen v. Farrow. ”We're constantly looking for those moments that happen before the story is ever told. Or those moments where someone is deciding to tell a story or is going through a process that they think is private… We think there's something about getting the moment before the first moment that people normally see.. Show notes: janedoefilms.com 00:00 Exit Scam (Aaron Lammer and Lane Brown • Treats Media • 2021) 00:00 70 over 70 (Max Linsky • Pineapple Street Studios • 2021) 00:00 The Mastermind: A True Story of Murder, Empire, and a New Kind of Crime Lord (Ratliff • Random House • 2020) 00:00 Allen v. Farrow (HBO Documentary Films • 2021) 01:00 The Hunting Ground (CNN Films, Radius • 2015) 01:00 The Invisible War (Cinedigm, Docurama Films • 2012) 01:00 On the Record (HBO Max Original • 2020) 04:00 Sick (Kirby Dick • 1997) 05:00 Derrida (Zeitgeist Films • 2002) 07:00 Private Practices: The Story of a Sex Surrogate (Kirby Dick • Zeitgeist Films • 1985) 26:00 Apropos of Nothing (Woody Allen • Skyhorse Publishing • 2020) 31:00 Twist of Faith (Kirby Dick • HBO • 2004) 51:00 Allen v. Farrow Podcast (HBO • 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Roger Bennett is a co-host of Men In Blazers and the author of (Re)born in the USA: An Englishman's Love Letter to His Chosen Home. “So much of my work is about human tenacity. That value of perseverance, of driving onwards. I believe life is about darkness and happiness. I believe that nothing is given, you fight for everything. And how you operate in moments of doubt and darkness ultimately define you. So I talk a lot as a professional about tenacity. What I've never linked that to before was my own biography. What did surprise me when I read the book as not being about me, but just read it as a book, was how bloody tenacious I was in fleeting moments of real awfulness.” Show notes: @rogbennett 23:30 "The Men in Blazers Show with John Stones and Alex Caruso" (The Men in Blazers Show • March 2021) 29:30 Men in Blazers 29:30 NHL Now 29:30 Band of Brothers podcast 29:30 HBO's Succession Podcast 33:30 "Pat Maroon" (Men in Blazers on Ice) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sheera Frenkel and Cecilia Kang are reporters for the New York Times. They are coauthors of An Ugly Truth: Inside Facebook's Battle for Domination. “There are two types of reporters. There are reporters who date and reporters who marry. I think both Cecilia and I are reporters who marry our sources and by that I mean they are lifelong sources. It’s not a relationship that you build quickly. It’s one where you have to really let them get to know you as a journalist, show them that you are always going to be honest and do what you say and protect their anonymity and that you’re not biased. I think some reporters make mistakes in that they try to curry favor with sources by writing things they think the sources will like and I think sources actually respect you more when you show them: no I am accurate and I am honest and I am objective and I’m actually going to check what you tell me so that I know it’s true and you know I am doing my homework on everything.” Show notes: @sheeraf @ceciliakangf 31:30 "Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis" (Sheera Frenkel, Nicholas Confessore, Cecilia Kang, Matthew Rosenberg and Jack Nicas • New York TImes • 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Julie K. Brown is an investigative reporter for the Miami Herald. Her new book is Perversion of Justice: The Jeffrey Epstein Story. “No reporter wants to be a part of the story. ... But the one thing I know is that the authorities weren't going to do anything about this unless it stayed in the news and there was pressure. And I thought the only way to do pressure was to continue to write stories and to be in their face by going on TV. So I took advantage of the fact that I am sort of a part of this story in the hope that it would pressure authorities to do something about it.” Show notes @jkbjournalist 00:00 Perversion of Justice: The Jeffrey Epstein Story (Dey Street Books • 2021) 01:00 "Perversion of Justice" (Miami Herald • Nov 2018) 10:00 "Cruel and Unusual" (Miami Herald • 2014) 10:00 "In Miami Gardens, Store Video Catches Cops in the Act" (Miami Herald • Nov 2013) 11:00 "Behind bars, a brutal and unexplained death" (Miami Herald • May 2014) 17:00 Series on women’s prison (Miami Herald • July 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Doree Shafrir is a co-host of the podcast Forever35, the former executive editor of Buzzfeed, and the author of the new memoir Thanks for Waiting: The Joy (& Weirdness) of Being a Late Bloomer.”Right now I can make my living from podcasting, but I don’t know what the advertising market for podcasts is going to look like in five years or even one year. The blog advertising market cratered. So one of the challenges of being my own ‘brand’ is that I always do have to think about, what is the next thing? Because in my experience in media, nothing is ever good for too long.” Thanks to Mailchimp and The London Review of Books for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @doree doree-shafrir.com Shafrir on Longform 02:00 Thanks for Waiting: The Joy (& Weirdness) of Being a Late Bloomer (Ballantine Books • 2021) 06:00 "The Hipster Grifter" (New York Observer • Apr 2009) 08:00 Shafrir's New York Observer archive 16:00 "Chuck Klosterman, the Author Photos" (Slate • Aug 2006) 24:00 Startup (Little, Brown and Company • 2017) 36:00 Shafrir's Buzzfeed archive 36:00 Rerun (Buzzfeed) 36:00 Matt and Doree’s Eggcellent Adventure (Matt Mira and Doree Shafrir) 37:00 Forever35 (Doree Shafrir and Kate Spencer) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jessica Bruder is a journalist and author of the book Nomadland.“I don’t do a hard sell. I’ll tell people what my MO is, but I don’t push people to talk with me. I want to go deep with people. I want to be able to have the time to just sit with them and to say, ‘start at the beginning.’ Sometimes going chronologically will just take you to these places that wouldn’t have come up if I’ve just done a very guided interview. So I hung out. I’m not relentless. I don’t wear people down. But I stick around. If people just want me to fuck off, I fuck off, and I talk to other people..” Thanks to Mailchimp and The London Review of Books for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: jessicabruder.com @jessbruder 01:00 Nomadland (W. W. Norton & Company • 2018) 11:30 Burning Book: A Visual History of Burning Man (Gallery Books • 2007) 13:00 "Snowball's Court Decision Set for Tomorrow" (The Oregonian • October 2007) 13:30 "Faith-healing Deaths " (The Oregonian • June 2009) 16:00 "Has Perky Jerky Lost Its Perk?" (New York Times • August 2011) 19:30 "Slump in construction industry creates a Sheetrock ghost town" (The Christian Science Monitor • June 2011) 21:30 "I Was a Warehouse Wage Slave" (Gabriel Mac • Mother Jones • March/April 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Robert McKee is an author and screenwriting lecturer. His new book is Character: The Art of Role and Cast Design for Page, Stage, and Screen.”When I'm in conversation with others, I'm always aware—or sensitive, at least—to what they're really thinking and feeling. And writers must have that. They can't possibly create excellent nonfiction or fiction if they're not aware of what is going on inside of other people, really, even subconsciously, while they go about saying whatever they do consciously in the world. Because if you just recorded the surface, if you were just paying attention to the surface, you'd be missing the whole show.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @McKeeStory mckeestory.com Story: Substance, Structure, Style, and the Principles of Screenwriting (Regan Books • 1997) Character: The Art of Role and Cast Design for Page, Stage, and Screen (Twelve • 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ashley C. Ford is the author of Somebody's Daughter: A Memoir.“For the first time I felt like I had so many more choices in my life than I originally thought I had. That was my first realization that I did not just have to react to the world, that I could be intentional in the world, and just curious about what came back to me.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @iSmashFizzle  ashleycford.net Fortune Favors the Bold podcast 5:00 "Roger Loves Chaz" (Roger Ebert • Sep 2012) 11:34 The Giver (Lois Lowry • Houghton Mifflin • 1993) 17:47 Ford's commencement speech at Ball State 26:09 Ford's archive at Buzzfeed 41:00 "Ashley C. Ford’s Debut Memoir ‘Somebody’s Daughter’ Finds Home at Flatiron" (Paperback Paris • 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Aaron Lammer is a co-host of the Longform Podcast and the host of the podcast Exit Scam: The Death and Afterlife of Gerald Cotten.“Something I got from a number of reporters that I’ve interviewed on the Longform Podcast is letting the story guide you, and ultimately that led me to an ambiguous ending. Early on, I was like, the pinnacle achievement is to solve this case. But ultimately, I felt like an ambiguous ending was the most honest to what I actually experienced in reporting it.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: 00:30 Exit Scam Podcast 00:45 Francis and the Lights 04:30 CoinTalk™️ 04:45 Jay Caspian King on Longform 05:00 Episode #59: Flashbacks and Fake Beards, a Crypto 2018 Year in Review (CoinTalk • January 2019) 11:00 Stoner Podcast 44:00 Descript 53:00 Jean-Xavier de Lestrade on Longform Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Megha Rajagopalan is a senior correspondent for Buzzfeed News. She won a Pulitzer for her coverage of the Xinjiang detention camps.“It’s not so much that I talk to [the Chinese government] to get information. It’s more that I talk to them to see how they think about things and what’s important to them and what’s their view of the world. … There are so many journalists that have been thrown out of China, so there’s very few people that are able to actually have those conversations. And in the U.S., there are these seismic decisions being made about China policy, and if you don’t talk to the people that run the country, it’s a problem.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @meghara Rajagopalan on Longform Rajagopalan's Buzzfeed News archive 21:00 "This Is What A 21st-Century Police State Really Looks Like" (Buzzfeed News • Oct 2017) 35:00 Rajagopalan’s Pulitzer-winning reporting with Alison Killing and Christo Buschek 41:00 "China Secretly Built A Vast New Infrastructure To Imprison Muslims (Part 1)" (Alison Killing, Christo Buschek, Megha Rajagopalan • Buzzfeed News • Aug 2020) 41:00 "What They Saw: Ex-Prisoners Detail The Horrors Of China's Detention Camps (Part 2)" (Alison Killing, Megha Rajagopalan • Buzzfeed News • Aug 2020) 41:00 "Inside a Xinjiang Detention Camp (Part 3)" (Alison Killing, Megha Rajagopalan • Buzzfeed News • Dec 2020) 41:00 "We Found The Factories Inside China’s Mass Internment Camps (Part 4)" (Alison Killing, Megha Rajagopalan • Buzzfeed News • Dec 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Barrett Swanson is a contributing editor at Harper’s and the author of Lost in Summerland.“You just have to sit there for a long time. That lesson was indisputably crucial for me. Just being willing to talk to someone, even if the first half-hour or hour is unutterably boring, or it doesn’t seem pertinent. These little things, the deeper things, take a while to get at and they kind of burble to the surface at moments when you’re not totally expecting it to happen. So for me, it’s just making myself available for that moment to occur.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: Swanson on Longform 00:30 Lost in Summerland (Catapult • 2021) 00:30 "Lost in Summerland" (The Atavist • December 2019) 00:45 "The Anxiety of Influencers" (Harper’s • September 2020) 10:00 "The Solider and the Soil" (Orion Magazine • December 2017) 11:30 "Men at Work" (Harper’s • November 2019) 20:00 "Political Fictions: Unraveling America at a West Wing Fan Convention" (Paris Review • November 2018) 28:00 “Annie Radcliffe, You Are Loved,” (American Short Fiction Issue #56 • 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dan Rather is a journalist, author, and the former anchor of CBS Evening News.”I knew that being named to succeed Walter Cronkite would put me in a position of inhaling—every day—a kind of NASA-grade rocket fuel for the ego. And that could be dangerous…. In the end, when the red light goes on, it's just you. You're by yourself.… And the longer you're in that role, the more difficult it is to stay true to yourself and to remember who you are and who you want to be.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @DanRather 70 Over 70 (Pineapple Street Studios • 2021) 01:00 Steady Substack newsletter 04:00 Reporting on Hurricane Carla (Sep 1961) 09:00 First night as CBS Evening News anchor (CBS News • Mar 1981) 21:00 Covering the India-Pakistan war (Sep 1965) 28:00 “A Lie, Is a Lie, Is a Lie” (Facebook • Jan 2017) 28:00 "Jim Crow Is Not Dead... And Why We Should Care" (Rather and Steady Team • Steady • Feb 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Katherine Eban is an investigative journalist and contributor to Vanity Fair. Her latest article is ”The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins.””You can't make a correction unless you know why something happened. So imagine—if this is a lab leak—the earth shattering consequences for virology. For the science community, for how research is done, for how research is regulated. Or if it is a zoonotic origin, we have to know how our human incursion into wild spaces could be unleashing these viruses. Because COVID-19 is one thing, but we're going to be looking at COVID-25 and COVID-34. We have to know what caused this.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @KatherineEban katherineeban.com Eban on Longform Eban on Longform Podcast 00:00 Bottle of Lies: The Inside Story of the Generic Drug Boom (Ecco • 2019) 00:00 "The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins" (Vanity Fair • Jun 2021) 01:00 Nicholson Baker on Longform Podcast 01:00 "The Lab-Leak Hypothesis" (Nicholson Baker • New York Magazine • Jan 2021) 03:00 "The Plague Fighters: Stopping the Next Pandemic Before It Begins " (Evan Ratliff • Wired • Apr 2007) 12:00 @TheSeeker268 14:00 Eban's Vanity Fair archive 16:00 Eban’s Twitter thread 26:00 Alina Chan on Twitter 32:00 "Statement in support of the scientists, public health professionals, and medical professionals of China combatting COVID-19" (Peter Daszak and many others • The Lancet • Feb 2020) 34:00 "Origin of Covid — Following the Clues" (Nicholas Wade • Medium • May 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We've got something a little different today from our sponsor Apple News+, a sneak peek of a new article by Joshuah Bearman and Rich Schapiro called "Last Chance Hotel." It's a wild story full of misadventure, get-rich-quick schemes gone wrong, and international intrigue. Published by New York Magazine in partnership with Epic Magazine, “Last Chance Hotel” is available right now exclusively in Apple News+. After you listen to this preview, tap here to read or listen to the rest of part one. Part two will be published on June 11, and part three will be available on June 18.  “Last Chance Hotel" is available now, only in Apple News+. Subscription required. New subscribers can try 1 month free. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rose Eveleth is the host of Flash Forward and the author of Flash Forward: An Illustrated Guide to Possible (and Not So Possible) Tomorrows.“If I didn’t have that pretty bizarrely insatiable drive to do this stuff and understand things, I don’t know if I’d still be doing this. The curiosity index has to be high in order to make the rest of it worth it. Because otherwise, what’s the point?” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @roseveleth @flashforwardpod @ffwdpresents Flash Forward Podcast 00:30 Flash Forward (Rose Eveleth • Harry N. Abrams • 2021) 21:00 Eveleth's Sample Freelancer Spreadsheet 24:30 Meanwhile in the Future Podcast 39:30 "What If Our Cities Were Smart?" (Flash Forward • April 2021) 40:30 "What If You Could Be Immune To Everything?" (Flash Forward • March 2021) 43:00 "Bodies: This Is Not A Test" (Flash Forward • May 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Theo Padnos is a journalist and author of the book Blindfold: A Memoir of Capture, Torture, and Enlightenment.“I'm trying to tell a story about a person who's attracted to dangerous places and people. I think we all have that within us. I wanted to bring my readers along. So I selected details that we all have in common... I'm trying to invite you along on a journey that you yourself might have taken.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @TheoPadnos 00:30 Blindfold (Theo Padnos • Simon & Schuster • 2021) 03:00 My Life Had Stood a Loaded Gun: Adolescents at the Apocalypse: A Teacher’s Notes (Theo Padnos • Random House • 2004) 03:15 Undercover Muslim: A Journey Into Yemen (Theo Padnos • Bodley Head • 2011) 10:30 "My Captivity" (Theo Padnos • The New York Times Magazine • October 2014) 12:00 "Life as a Hostage in Syria" (Polly Mosendz • The Atlantic • October 2014) 22:15 Theo Who Lived (David Schisgall • 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Donovan X. Ramsey is a staff writer for the Los Angeles Times. His work has appeared in GQ, WSJ Magazine, The Atlantic, and many other publications.“I actually got into writing about criminal justice ... because I was curious about Black life. But that meant the only way I was able to do that was I had to kind of do this really often depressing slice of Black life. And there’s so much more. And there’s so much beauty in the lived experiences of Black people. … There are so many stories that just never get told about Black life. One, I have a connection to being a Black person, but then being a Black person who has the benefit of a really good education, and I’ve been given some shots here and there… it feels like a duty. If I’m not going to tell these stories, then who?” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @donovanxramsey donovanxramsey.com 02:00 Exit Scam (Aaron Lammer and Lane Brown • Treats Media • 2021) 02:00 "Gossip Girls, Money Men, and 2 More Podcasts Worth Trying" (Nicholas Quah • Vulture • May 2021) 02:00 Nicholas Quah on Longform Podcast 03:00 70 Over 70 (Max Linsky • Pineapple Street Studios • 2021) 25:00 Ramsey's Atlantic archive 26:00 Ramsey's Ebony archive 26:00 "Motorcycle Club Honors, Assists Soldiers Offering Their Lives Overseas" (Black Enterprise • Nov 2012) 26:00 "Janelle Monáe: The ‘Q.U.E.E.N.’ Speaks [INTERVIEW]" (Ebony • Jul 2013) 29:00 She’s Every Woman: The Power of Black Women in Pop Music (Danyel Smith • Dey Street Books • 2017) 31:00 "Police Reform Is Impossible in America" (Gawker • Feb 2015) 32:00 Ramsey's Demos archive 35:00 Jason Parham on Longform Podcast 40:00 Ramsey's The Marshall Project archive 40:00 Ramsey's Complex archive 45:00 "A Triple Murder, a Broken Family, and the Long Tail of the Crack Era" (Vice • Aug 2016) 47:00 Black Futures (Kimberly Drew and Jenna Wortham • One World • 2020) 48:00 "Measuring Crack Cocaine and Its Impact" (Roland G. Fryer • Apr 2006) 56:00 "Bryon Stevenson’s Moral Clarity" (WSJ Magazine • Nov 2019) 56:00 "The Political Education of Killer Mike" (GQ • Jul 2020) 62:00 "NASCAR’s Unlikely Activist" (GQ • Aug 2020) 63:00 Ramsey's Los Angeles Times archive Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Adam McKay is a film director, writer, and host of the podcast Death at the Wing.“Sometimes you do a project and then you look back and you’re like, Ah, shit. I let some of myself get in the way of that. It sucks, but it’s also a part of it. And there are so many times where you’re excited that the story did take off, the wind did catch the sail and it went off on its own. And that just feels so good that it far outweighs the times when you make a mistake, or let something go wrong, or too long, or hit the wrong tone. Which is going to happen. There’s no way around it. But those times when it all just catches perfectly—it’s just so exciting that you keep doing it.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @GhostPanther 00:00 Anchorman (Dreamworks • 2004) 00:00 Stepbrothers (Columbia Pictures • 2008) 00:00 The Big Short (Paramount Pictures, New Regency Productions • 2015) 00:00 Vice (Annapurna Pictures • 2018) 00:00 Succession (Gary Sanchez Productions • 2018) 00:00 Death at the Wing (Hyperobject Industries and Three Uncanny Four • 2021) 12:00 The Unwinding: An Inner History of the New America (George Packer • Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2014) 14:00 Don’t Look Up (Hyperobject Industries • 2021) 29:00 David Grann on Longform Podcast 31:00 Anchorman 2 (Paramount Pictures • 2013) 36:00 The Big Short: Inside the Doomsday Machine (Michael Lewis • W. W. Norton & Company • 2015) 39:00 Hustlers (Lorene Scafaria • Annapurna Pictures • 2019) 40:00 "The Hustlers at Scores" (Jessica Pressler • The Cut • Dec 2015) 41:00 "Breslin: Digging JFK grave was his honor" (Jimmy Breslin • New York Herald Tribune • Nov 1963) 43:00 Bad Blood (Excellent Cadaver) 43:00 Bad Blood (John Carreyrou • Vintage • 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Anna Sale is the host of Death, Sex & Money. Her new book is Let’s Talk About Hard Things.“What hard conversations can do is—you can witness what's hard. You can be with what's hard. Admit what's hard. That can be its own relief. … Some hard conversations … are successful when they end in a place that's like, Oh, we're not going to agree on this. … I think you can get used to the feeling of feeling out of control and that makes them less scary.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @annasale annasale.com Sale on Longform Podcast 07:00 Let’s Talk About Hard Things (Simon & Schuster • 2021) 10:00 Sale's Death, Sex & Money archive Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brooke Jarvis is a contributing writer for The New York Times Magazine.“Obsession is inherently interesting. We want to know why somebody would care so much about something that it could direct their whole life. ... When people care about something a lot, what can be more interesting than that to understand what drives those powerful emotions? ... Part of why I do this work is that I am able to get temporarily obsessed with a lot of different things and then move on to the next thing that I'm temporarily obsessed with. ... There's always a new question that I want to follow.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @brookejarvis brookejarvis.net Jarvis on Longform 02:00 "Maryville native Brooke Jarvis wins Livingston Ward for young journalists" (Amy Beth Miller • The Daily Times • Jun 2017) 05:00 The New Kings of Nonfiction (Ira Glass • Riverhead Books • 2007) 06:00 "The Squirrel Wars" (D.T. Max • New York Times Magazine • Oct 2007) 08:00 "When We Are Called to Part" (The Atavist • Nov 2013) 11:00 Jarvis’ Yes! Magazine archive 16:00 "The Deepest Dig" (California Sunday • Nov 2014) 19:00 "Unclaimed" (California Sunday • Dec 2016) 22:00 The Heart is a Lonely Hunter (Carson McCullers • Marina Books • 1940) 25:00 "The Insect Apocalypse Is Here" (New York Times Magazine • Nov 2018) 27:00 "Who Speaks for Crazy Horse?" (New Yorker • Sep 2019) 30:00 "The First Shot: Inside the Covid Vaccine Fast Track" (Wired • May 2020) 31:00 "The Scramble to Pluck 24 Billion Cherries in Eight Weeks" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2020) 33:00 "The Launch" (California Sunday • Jul 2019) 37:00 "The Forgotten Sense" (New York Times Magazine • Jan 2021) 39:00 "The Obsessive Search for the Tasmanian Tiger" (New Yorker • Jul 2018)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michael Grabell and Bernice Yeung are investigative reporters at ProPublica. They won the George Polk Award for Health Reporting for their coverage of the meatpacking industry's response to the pandemic, including their feature "The Battle for Waterloo." This is the final part of our week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Roberto Ferdman is a correspondent at VICE News. He and his colleagues at VICE News Tonight won the George Polk Award for Television Reporting for their coverage of the killing of Breonna Taylor and the investigations that followed. This is part four in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Helen Branswell is an infectious disease and global health reporter for STAT. She won this year's George Polk Award for Public Service for her coverage of the pandemic. This is the third in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ryan Mac and Craig Silverman are reporters at BuzzFeed News. Together they won this year's George Polk Award for Business Reporting for their coverage of Facebook's handling of disinformation on its platform.  This is the second in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tristan Ahtone is the former Indigenous Affairs editor at High Country News and is currently the editor-in-chief at The Texas Observer. His High Country News article “Land-Grab Universities,” co-authored with Robert Lee, won the 2021 George Polk Award for Education Reporting. This is the first in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's George Polk Awards in Journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dana Goodyear is a staff writer for The New Yorker and host of the new podcast Lost Hills.“I do find people who take risks—artistic and physical or even intellectual risks—really interesting. ... There are so many people that I have written about who take a really long time with their projects, whether years or decades, and they might or might not work out. ... They just don't go along with what's received, and they—at a great personal cost—often do things that are very different. And then those things are the things in our world that are the most fascinating or feel the most human.” Thanks to Mailchimp and CaseFleet for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @danagoodyear danagoodyear.com Goodyear on Longform Goodyear's New Yorker archive 01:00 Lost Hills (Western Sound and Pushkin Industries • 2021) 32:00 "An Artist’s Life, Refracted in Film" (New Yorker • Jan 2019) 42:00 "The Gardener" (New Yorker • Aug 2003) 49:00 "The Scavenger" (New Yorker • Nov 2009) 49:00 "A Photographer at the Ends of the Earth" (New Yorker • Oct 2019) 42:00 "Man of Extremes" (New Yorker • Oct 2009) 42:00 Honey Junk (W.W. Norton • 2006) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Albert Samaha is an investigative journalist and the deputy inequality editor at BuzzFeed News. His book Concepcion: An Immigrant Family's Fortunes comes out in October.“I don’t think any child of the recession will ever not feel precarious. And being in journalism makes that even more so. ... At this point I’ve embraced the precarity of working in this industry. I’m sure at some point it’s going to be grating for people to hear me talk about how precarious and insecure I feel. … But I’ve got too many friends who are way too talented, who can’t use that talent in the ways that they are passionate about, for me to ever feel like my place in this industry is fully cemented.” Thanks to Mailchimp and CaseFleet for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @AlbertSamaha albertsamaha.com Samaha on Longform Samaha's BuzzFeed archive 11:00 Never Ran, Never Will Boyhood and Football in a Changing American Inner City (PublicAffairs • 2018) 17:00 "The Tragedy of Louis Scarcella" (Village Voice • Aug 2014) 23:00 "A Bronx Betrayal" (BuzzFeed • Jan 2015) 36:00 Concepcion 40:00 "Looking For Right And Wrong In The Philippines" (BuzzFeed • May 2017) 40:00 "My Uncle Spanky, the Rock Star Who Left It All Behind" (Pop-Up • Jun 2020) 42:00 "I Followed My Uncle’s Legend To Italy, And Found A New Way Forward" (BuzzFeed • Mar 2018) 42:00 "My Mom Believes In QAnon. I’ve Been Trying To Get Her Out." (BuzzFeed • Mar 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bonnie Tsui is a journalist and the author of Why We Swim.“I am a self-motivated person. I really don’t like being told what to do. I’ve thought about this many times over the last 16 years that I’ve been a full-time freelancer... even though I thought my dream was to always and forever be living in New York, working in publishing, working at a magazine, being an editor, writing. When I was an editor, I kind of hated it. I just didn’t like being chained to a desk.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @bonnietsui bonnietsui.com 02:00 Why We Swim (Algonquin • 2020) 03:30 American Chinatown: A People's History of Five Neighborhoods (Tsui • Free Press • 2009) 10:30 The Deep (2012) 28:00 "With His Absence, My Artist Father Taught Me the Art of Vanishing" (Catapult • Feb 2019) 41:30 "After Fires, Napa and Sonoma Tourism Industry Is Getting Back on Its Feet" (New York Times • Oct 2017) 44:30 "Child Care: What — and Who — It Takes to Raise a Family" (California Sunday • July 2019) 49:00 "The Break: Female Big-Wave Surfers Prepare to Compete on Mavericks’s 50-Foot Waves for the First Time" (California Sunday • Aug 2018) 50:00 "Meet the Women Who Are Changing What it Means to be a Mom and a Professional Athlete" (Sports Illustrated • Dec 2019) 53:30 "You Are Doing Something Important When You Aren’t Doing Anything" (New York Times • June 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jessica Lessin is founder and editor-in-chief of The Information.“It's very, very hard to predict the winners. A lot of investors try to do this. And I think sometimes where the press gets in trouble is trying to make a call.… It's not always our job to say this thing is doomed or not. I think many journalists, unfortunately, are more interested in that than in understanding, What is this company trying to do?” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes:  @Jessicalessin theinformation.com Lessin's archive at The Information 11:00 "Android’s Andy Rubin Left Google After Inquiry Found Inappropriate Relationship" (Reed Albergotti • The Information • Nov 2017) 11:00 "Silicon Valley Women Tell of VC’s Unwanted Advances" (Reed Albergotti • The Information • Jun 2017) 23:00 Paul Steiger at ProPublica 23:00 Kevin Delaney at Quartz 26:00 "Facebook Hit by FTC Antitrust Suit That Seeks to Break Off Instagram, WhatsApp" (Christopher Stern • The Information • Dec 2020) 31:00 "People are leaving S.F., but not for Austin or Miami. USPS data shows where they went" (J.K. Dineen • San Francisco Chronicle • Feb 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Elon Green is a journalist whose work has appeared in The New York Times Magazine, The Awl, New York, and other publications. His new book is Last Call: A True Story of Love, Lust, and Murder in Queer New York.“The murders and the murderer should not be the driver. It should simply be the catalyst for the other story. And the other story is the victims. And the other story is the political backdrop and the environment that they are walking through.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @elongreen elongreen.com Green on Longform 00:00 Last Call: A True Story of Love, Lust, and Murder in Queer New York (Celadon Books • 2021) 03:00 @DavidGrann 05:00 davidyaffe.com 07:00 Pamela Colloff on Longform 10:00 The Advocate 13:00 "The Enduring, Pernicious Whiteness of True Crime" (The Appeal • Aug 2020) 13:00 Killers of the Flower Moon (David Grann • Doubleday Books • 2017) 13:00 Missing & Murdered (CBC News) 13:00 Connie Walker on the Longform Podcast 19:00 "These Gay Men Frequented Manhattan Piano Bars. So Did Their Killer." (Christopher Bollen • New York Times • Mar 2021) 19:00 "Last Call: Behind the Terrifying Untold Story of New York's Gay Bar Killer" (Jim Farber • The Guardian • Mar 2021) 21:00 "Do Threads of Five Lives Lead to One Serial Killer?" (Ian Fisher • New York Times • Aug 1993) 30:00 "The Untold Story of the Doodler Murders" (The Awl • Dec 2014) 32:00 "The Real Lolita" (Sarah Weinman • Hazlitt • Nov 2014) 35:00 @ChrisCillizza Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jess Zimmerman is editor-in-chief of Electric Literature. Her new book is Women and Other Monsters.“My goals are to be exactly as vulnerable as I feel is necessary. And not that’s necessary to me—that's necessary to the observer, to the reader. If [my story] is out there, it's out there because in order to make the larger point that I wanted to make … I had to give this level of access. It does kind of feel more strategic than cathartic.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @j_zimms jesszimmerman.com Zimmerman's Electric Literature archive 01:00 Women and Other Monsters (Beacon Press • 2021) 03:00 "Hunger Makes Me" (Hazlitt • Jul 2016) 04:00 Charybdis (theoi.com) 05:00 Mary Roach's website 08:00 The Furies (theoi.com) 11:00 Lindy West's website 12:00 "We Can’t Believe Survivors’ Stories If We Never Hear Them" (Rachel Zarrow • Electric Literature • Mar 2021) 16:00 "Why Are Portholes Being Used on Cows?" (BBC News • Jun 2019) 22:00 Longform Podcast #193: Robin Marantz Henig 24:00 "The Biggest Moments in xoJane History" (Eve Peyser • Jezebel • Jan 2017) 31:00 I Overcame My Autism and All I Got Was This Lousy Anxiety Disorder (Sarah Kurchak • Douglas & McIntyre • 2020) 31:00 Ace: What Asexuality Reveals About Desire, Society, and the Meaning of Sex (Angela Chen • Beacon Press • 2020) 32:00 "’Where’s My Cut?’: Un Unpaid Emotional Labor" (The Toast • Jul 2015) 33:00 "’Where’s My Cut?’: Un Unpaid Emotional Labor" MetaFilter thread 37:00 Catapult 37:00 Hazlitt 37:00 Electric Literature 38:00 "What We Learned From Meghan and Harry’s Interview" (Sarah Lyall and Tariro Mzezewa • New York Times • Mar 2021) 39:00 "Please Just Let Women Be Villiains" (Elyse Martin • Electric Literature • Feb 2021) 39:00 Circe (Madeline Miller • Little, Brown and Company • 2018) 41:00 "How to Arrange a Poetry Collection Using Mix Tape Rules" (Rachelle Toarmino • Electric Literature • Mar 2021) 41:00 "What If We Cultivated Our Ugliness? or: The Monstrous Beauty of Medusa" (Catapult • May 2017) 43:00 Zimmerman's newsletter Dead Channel 43:00 "A Midlife Crisis, By Any Other Name" (Hazlitt • Jul 2015) 46:00 Lamia (theoi.com) 55:00 "I Always Thought of Myself as a Person Who Pays Attention" (Sarah Miller • Medium • Mar 2021)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tejal Rao is the California restaurant critic for The New York Times and a columnist for The New York Times Magazine.“I've been thinking a lot about what makes a restaurant good…. Can a restaurant be good if it doesn't have wheelchair access? Can a restaurant be good if the farmers picking the tomatoes are getting sick? How much do we consider when we talk about if a restaurant is good or not? … If people are being exploited at every single point possible along the way, how good is the restaurant, really? … I worry that the pandemic has illuminated all of these issues and things are just going to keep going the way that they were.... That's what I worry about. That nothing will change.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @tejalrao tejalrao.com Rao's New York Times archive 01:00 "Is My Takeout Risking Lives or Saving Restaurants?" (New York Times • Apr 2020) 03:00 Rao's Atlantic archive 09:00 Rao's Saveur archive 13:00 "For Best Results, Eat This Roti Immediately" (New York Times • Oct 2020) 13:00 "Dining and Driving on the Empty Freeways of Los Angeles" (New York Times • Mar 2020) 14:00 "A Day in the Life of a Food Vendor" (New York Times • Apr 2017) 14:00 "India’s ‘Pickle Queen’ Preserves Everything, Including the Past" (New York Times • Jul 2020) 19:00 "Oysters: A Love Story" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2017) 26:00 "I Lost My Appetite Because of Covid. This Sichuan Flavor Brought It Back." (New York Times Magazine • Jan 2021) 30:00 "The Old-School Reasons to Love Los Angeles Restaurants" (New York Times • Feb 2019) 33:00 "How Kit Kat Got Big in Japan" (New York Times Magazine • Oct 2018) 43:00 "Meatpacking Companies Dismissed Years of Warnings but Now Say Nobody Could Have Prepared for COVID-19" (Michael Grabell and Bernice Yeung • ProPublica • Aug 2020) Illustration by Tony Millionaire   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Connie Walker is an investigative reporter and podcast host. Her new show is Stolen: The Search for Jermain.“For so long, there has been this kind of history of journalists coming in and taking stories from Indigenous communities. And that kind of extractive, transactional kind of journalism that really causes a lot of harm. And so much of our work is trying to undo and address that. There is a way to be a storyteller and help amplify and give people agency in their stories.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @connie_walker Walker's CBC News archive 00:00 Missing & Murdered (CBC News) 04:00 "The Injustice to Pamela George Continues Long After Her Murder" (Heather Mallick • Toronto Star • Jan 2020) 08:00 Street Cents (CBC) 12:00 "Alicia Ross: Everyone’s Daughter" (Catherine McDonald • Global News • Apr 2020) 14:00 Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada 19:00 8th Fire, Ep. 1: "Indigenous in the City" (CBC • 2012) 19:00 8th Fire, Ep. 2: "It’s Time" (CBC • 2012) 19:00 8th Fire, Ep. 3: "Whose Land Is It Anyway?" (CBC • 2012) 19:00 8th Fire, Ep. 4: "At the Crossroads" (CBC • 2012) 22:00 "Missing and Murdered Aboriginal Women: A National Operational Overview" (Royal Canadian Mounted Police • 2014) 24:00 "Missing and Murdered: The Life and Mysterious Death of Leah Anderson" (CBC News • Mar 2015) 26:00 Serial 27:00 "Amber Tuccaro's Unsolved Murder: Do You Recognize This Voice?" (Marnie Luke and Connie Walker • CBC News • Jun 2015) 27:00 "Unresolved: Patricia Carpenter" (Holly Moore • CBC News • Jun 2016) 27:00 Missing & Murdered Season 1: Who Killed Alberta Williams? (Connie Walker and Marnie Luke • CBC News) 27:00 Missing & Murdered Season 2: Finding Cleo (Connie Walker and Marnie Luke • CBC News) 35:00 Ochberg Fellowship 37:00 "Duncan McCue on Reporting in Indigenous Communities" (Ryerson Today • Apr 2018) 37:00 Reporting in Indigenous Communities Guide (Duncan McCue) 39:00 Stolen (Gimlet • 2021) 39:00 "Jermain Charlo Missing Two Years on Tuesday" (Seaborn Larson • Missoulian • Jun 2020) 44:00 "Monday's Montanan: Lauren Small Rodriguez Helps Native Trafficking Survivors " (Patrick Reilly • Missoulian • Feb 2020)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Vinson Cunningham is a staff writer for The New Yorker.“I think the job is just paying a bunch of attention. If you're a person like me, where thoughts and worries are intruding on your consciousness all the time, it is a great relief to have something to just over-describe and over-pay-attention to—and kind of just give all of your latent, usually anxious attention to this one thing. That, to me, is a great joy.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @vcunningham vinson.nyc Cunningham on Longform Cunningham's New Yorker archive 04:00 "’The Suit’ at BAM" (Brooklyn Paper • Jan 2013) 04:00 "Label Maker: Edward Buchanan" (Nylon Guys • Mar 2015) 09:00 circlejerk.live 11:00 Jeremy O. Harris’ plays 11:00 "How Are Audiences Adapting to the Age of Virtual Theatre?" (New Yorker • Oct 2020) 18:00 "The Season of Russell Westbrook and a New Era in N.B.A. Fandom" (New Yorker • Apr 2017) 25:00 Cunningham's McSweeney’s archive 25:00 "The Flies in Kehinde Wiley’s Milk" (The Awl • Jun 2015) 25:00 "Can Black Art Ever Escape the Politics of Race?" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2015) 25:00 "How Chris Jackson is Building a Black Literary Movement" (New York Times Magazine • Feb 2016) 27:00 "Stephon Marbury Has His Own Story to Tell" (New Yorker • Apr 2020) 28:00 "The Playful, Political Art of Sanford Biggers" (New Yorker • Jan 2018) 29:00 WTF with Marc Maron 32:00 "Tracy Morgan Turns the Drama of His Life into Comedy" (New Yorker • May 2019) 36:00 Redd Foxx party albums 38:00 Alexandra Schwartz’ New Yorker archive 41:00 Simon Parkin on Longform 41:00 Adrian Chen on Longform 42:00 "The Many Lives of Steven Yeun" (Jay Caspian Kang • New York Times Magazine • Feb 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Katie Engelhart is a journalist and the author of the new book The Inevitable: Dispatches on the Right to Die.“Billions of dollars of government money goes to the nursing home industry every year. And nobody has a nursing home correspondent. Nobody has an assisted living correspondent…. That's wild to me. As a journalist, someone tells me, Oh, there's an industry. It's hugely underregulated. It's getting billions of dollars a year. It is not super-accountable for that money. Who wouldn't want to cover that?” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @katieenglehart katieengelhart.com Engelhart on Longform 00:00 The Inevitable: Dispatches on the Right to Die (St. Martin’s Press • 2021) 00:00 "What Happened in Room 10?" (California Sunday • Aug 2020) 02:00 "Her Time" (California Sunday • Mar 2019) 03:00 "Time to Die" (Vice) 18:00 "Adam Maier-Clayton's controversial right-to-die campaign" (Stuart Hughes • BBC News • Jul 2017) 34:00 Engehart's Maclean’s archive 35:00 "Papal Chatter in Vatican City" (Maclean’s • Feb 2013) 35:00 "Why the Higgs Boson Discovery Changed Everything" (Kate Lunau and Katie Engelhart • Maclean’s • Jul 2012) 35:00 "Behind the Lines in Ukraine" (Maclean’s • Jan 2014) 35:00 "Royal Baby Dispatches: 'It's a Prince!'" (Maclean’s • Jul 2013) 37:00 Engelhart's Vice archive 39:00 "How France Has Changed One Year After The Paris Terrorist Attack" (Vice • Nov 2016) 39:00 "Lithuania Thinks the Russians Are Coming — and It's Preparing with Wargames" (Vice • May 2015) 39:00 "Why Record Numbers of Ukrainian Jews Are Fleeing to Israel" (Vice • Mar 2016) 39:00 Left Field (NBC) 44:00 "The Coronavirus’s Rampage Through a Suburban Nursing Home " (Jack Healy and Serge F. Kovaleski • New York Times • May 2020)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Luke Mogelson is a journalist and fiction writer whose work has appeared in The New Yorker, The New York Times Magazine, and other publications. His latest feature is ”Among the Insurrectionists.”“Get to the front and document as much as you can. ... I think my approach is much more similar to photographers than other writers. I spend a lot of time with photographers and ... I feel like I've gotten pretty good at getting myself into situations where there's few or maybe no other writers around, but there's always a bunch of photographers…. I try to get in right behind the first photographers.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: 06:00 Paul Ford on Longform Podcast 07:00 "Death of a Mountain" (Erik Reece • Harper’s • Apr 2005) [pdf] 11:00 "Prison break: How Michigan Managed to Empty Its Penitentiaries While Lowering Its Crime Rate" (Washington Monthly • 2010) 16:00 "A Beast in the Heart of Every Fighting Man" (New York Times Magazine • Apr 2011) 26:00 Mujib Mashal's New York Times archive 27:00 "The Impossible Refugee Boat Lift to Christmas Island" (New York Times Magazine • Nov 2013) 38:00 "Jesus Plus Nothing" (Jeff Sharlet • Harper’s • Mar 2003) 38:00 "My Four Months As a Private Prison Guard" (Shane Bauer • Mother Jones • Jul 2016) 38:00 "Guarding Sing Sing" (Ted Conover • New Yorker • Mar 2000) 39:00 "Among the Insurrectionists" (New Yorker • Jan 2021) 47:00 "In the Streets with Antifa" (New Yorker • Oct 2020) 49:00 "Armed Protesters Demonstrate Against Covid-19 Lockdown at Michigan Capitol" (Lois Beckett • Guardian • Apr 2020) 50:00 "America’s Abandonment of Syria" (New Yorker • Apr 2020) 50:00 "The Shattered Afghan Dream of Peace" (New Yorker • Oct 2019) 51:00 "In Minneapolis, Protesters Confront the Police—And One Another" (New Yorker • May 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mirin Fader is a staff writer for The Ringer. “Nobody ever makes it makes it, right? You make it, and every day, you have to keep making it. That’s how I feel. Would I be the reporter I am if I wasn’t like that? I’m afraid to see what happens if I’m not. I’m afraid what type of reporter or writer I’ll be if I take my foot off the gas.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @MirinFader mirinfader.com Fader on Longform 03:00 Fader's Orange County Register archive 04:00 Lee Jenkins’ Sports Illustrated archive 04:00 Longform Podcast #421: Wright Thompson 06:00 Fader's Bleacher Report archive 14:00 "How Mo’ne Davis Made Her Hoop Dreams Come True: Inside Life After Little League" (Bleacher Report • Feb 2017) 14:00 "The LaMelo Show" (Bleacher Report • Feb 2018) 17:00 "Walk-on Becomes X-factor For Titans' Men's Soccer" (OC Register • Nov 2016) 29:00 "What Tyler Skaggs Left Behind" (Bleacher Report • Sept 2020) 42:00 Gary Smith on Longform 47:00 "LaVar Ball: Lakers 'don't want to play for' Luke Walton" (Jeff Goodman • ESPN • Jan 2018) 50:00 "The Life of LaMelo" (Bleacher Report • Nov 2019) 50:00 "Nothing Can Faze Davante Adams" (Bleacher Report • Aug 2018) 50:00 "Davante Adams Is Peaking in Every Way Possible" (Bleacher Report • Jan 2021) 51:00 "The Metamorphosis of Brandon Ingram" (Bleacher Report • Oct 2018) 51:00 "Brandon Ingram Through the Fire" (Bleacher Report • Nov 2019) 56:00 Giannis: The Improbable Rise of an NBA MVP (Hachette • 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Stephanie Clifford is an investigative journalist and novelist who has written for The New York Times, The New Yorker, The Atlantic, and many other publications. Her most recent article is "The Journalist and the Pharma Bro."“I think your job as a journalist—particularly with people who are in vulnerable situations or people who are not used to press—is to explain what the fallout might be." Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes:  @stephcliff stephanieclifford.net Clifford on Longform Clifford's New York Times archive 02:00 "The Journalist and the Pharma Bro" (Elle • Dec 2020) 05:00 Everybody Rise (St. Martin’s Press • 2015) 15:00 "The Inside Story of MacKenzie Scott, the Mysterious 60-Billion-Dollar Woman" (Marker • Oct 2020) 26:00 "When the Misdiagnosis Is Child Abuse" (Atlantic • Aug 2020) 27:00 "He Cyberstalked Teen Girls for Years—Then They Fought Back" (Wired • Oct 2019) 33:00 "The First Year Out" (Marie Claire • Jun 2020)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kenneth R. Rosen has written for The New York Times, Wired, The New Yorker, and many other publications. His new book is Troubled: The Failed Promise of America's Behavioral Treatment Programs. “When I report, I keep two journals. … I keep my reporting notebook, which is sort of an almanac of dates, times, names, quotes, phone numbers. And then I have my personal notebook, which has all my fears and anxieties. And it invariably makes its way into the reporting … which is sort of an amalgamation of those two journals, of those two experiences, the internal and the external.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @kenneth_rosen kennethrrosen.com Rosen on Longform 03:00 "The Devil’s Henchmen" (The Atavist • Jun 2017) 04:00 Troubled: The Failed Promise of America's Behavioral Treatment Programs (Little a • 2021) 13:00 "At a Therapeutic Ranch, No Payday Until Later" (New York Times • Mar 2017) 31:00 Rosen's New York Times archive 32:00 Longform Podcast #403: Seyward Darby 35:00 Luke Mogelson on Longform 35:00 Ben Taub on Longform 35:00 May Jeong on Longform 35:00 Longform Podcast #300: May Jeong 39:00 Alicia Patterson Fellowship 41:00 Longform Podcast #135: Scott Anderson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Carvell Wallace is a podcast host and has written for The New Yorker and The New York Times Magazine. He is the co-author, with Andre Iguodala, of The Sixth Man.“So much of my life experience coalesces into things that are useful… All those years that I was obsessing over this that or the other thing, all the weird stuff that I would do, all the weird things that happened to me, all the places I found myself in that I didn’t want to be in but were interesting - this is all part of what makes me the writer that I am today.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @carvellwallace carvellwallace.com The Sixth Man: A Memoir (Blue Rider Press • 2019) Episode One of Finding Fred Are You There, God? It's Me, Margaret (Bradbury Press • 1970) Purple Rain (1984) The Karate Kid (Scholastic • 1984) “The Two Lives of Michael Jackson” (New Yorker • 2015) “How to Parent on a Night Like This” (Huffington Post • 2014) Wallace's Pitchfork archive   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ashley C. Ford is a writer and podcast host. Her memoir, Somebody's Daughter, is forthcoming from Flatiron Books.“For the first time I felt like I had so many more choices in my life than I originally thought I had. That was my first realization that I did not just have to react to the world, that I could be intentional in the world, and just curious about what came back to me.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @iSmashFizzle  ashleycford.net Fortune Favors the Bold podcast 4:30 "Roger Loves Chaz" (Roger Ebert • Sep 2012) 11:00 The Giver (Lois Lowry • Houghton Mifflin • 1993) 17:15 Ford's commencement speech at Ball State 25:30 Ford's archive at Buzzfeed 40:30 "Ashley C. Ford’s Debut Memoir ‘Somebody’s Daughter’ Finds Home at Flatiron" (Paperback Paris • 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ed Yong spent 2020 covering the pandemic for The Atlantic. His latest feature is "How Science Beat the Virus." “I am trying to give readers a platform that they can stand on to observe this raging torrent that is the pandemic, this cascade of information that is threatening to sweep us all away. I’m trying to give people a rock on which they can stand so that they can observe what is happening without themselves being submerged by it. But I am trying to construct that platform while also being submerged in it.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @edyong209 edyong.me Yong on Longform Longform Podcast #386: Ed Yong Yong's archive at The Atlantic 08:00 "How the Pandemic Will End" (The Atlantic • Mar 2020) 08:00 "The Giant Pool of Money" (Alex Blumberg, Adam Davidson, and Planet Money • This American Life • May 2008) 16:00 "Our Pandemic Summer" (The Atlantic • Apr 2015) 16:00 "What the Racial Data Show" (Ibram X. Kendi • The Atlantic • Apr 2020) 18:00 "How the Pandemic Defeated America" (The Atlantic • Sep 2020) 19:00 "How Science Beat the Virus" (The Atlantic • Jan 2021) 34:00 "Q&A with Ed Yong" (Delia Cai • Deez Links • Nov 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nilay Patel is editor-in-chief of The Verge and hosts the podcast Decoder. “The instant ability—unmanaged ability—for people to say horrible things to each other because of phones is tearing our culture apart. It just is. And so sometimes, I’m like, Man, I wish our headline had been: ‘iPhone Released. It’s A Mistake.’ … But I think there’s a really important flipside to that … a bunch of teenagers are able to create culture at a scale that has never been possible before. Also, a bunch of marginalized communities are able to speak with coordinated voices and make change very rapidly. And that balance—I don’t think we’ve quite understood.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @reckless Patel's archive at The Verge 02:00 Decoder 02:00 The Vergecast 03:00 Recode Decode 08:00 Platformer (Casey Newton) 12:00 "Mark in the Middle" (Casey Newton • Verge • Sept 2020) 22:00 Patel's archive at Engadget 26:00 Processor (Dieter Bohn • Verge) 28:00 "Foxconn Is Confusing the Hell Out of Wisconsin" (Josh Dzieza • Verge • Apr 2019) 28:00 "Foxconn Says Empty Buildings in Wisconsin Are Not Empty" (Josh Dzieza • Verge • Apr 2019) 29:00 "Condo at the End of the World" (Joseph L. Flatley • Verge • Nov 2011) 45:00 Stratechery (Ben Thompson) 45:00 Kevin Roose on Longform 45:00 Charlie Warzel on Longform Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wright Thompson is a senior writer for ESPN. His new book is Pappyland: A Story of Family, Fine Bourbon, and the Things That Last. “If you’re going to write a profile of someone … you have to find some piece of common ground with them so that no matter how famous or good or noble or bad—or no matter how cartoonish their most well-known attributes are—it shrinks them. And once they’re small enough to fit in your hand, I think it changes the entire experience of asking questions about their lives.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring the show. Show notes: wrightthompson.com Thompson on Longform 01:00 Pappyland (Penguin Random House • 2020) 02:00 Bloodlines (ESPN Investigates • 2020) 18:00 "The Secret History of Tiger Woods" (ESPN • Apr 2016) 18:00 "Michael Jordan Has Not Left The Building" (ESPN • Feb 2013) 18:00 "Holy Ground" (ESPN • Jun 2007) 31:00 ”Michael Jordan: A History of Flight" (ESPN • May 2020) 47:00 "As Clayton Kershaw Waits for Baseball to Return, a Look at His Family, Legacy and Future" (ESPN • Apr 2020) 49:00 The Big Fella (Jane Leavy • Harper • 2018) 52:00 "Pat Riley's Final Test" (ESPN • Apr 2017)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Melissa del Bosque is an investigative journalist covering the U.S.-Mexico border.“What I really want people to know is the context within which this traumatic event is happening. It doesn’t have to happen. It’s happening because certain people made certain decisions. Or they made a decision to do nothing. … There are laws, there are policies on the books that are either being ignored or could be changed.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: 8:00 The Western Edition 12:00 "Editorial: A Brief Look Back, Then Forward" (Staff • Texas Observer • Dec 2007) 14:00 The Monitor 18:00 Texas Observer 20:00 "Holes in the Wall" (Texas Observer • Feb 2008) 24:00 "Children of the Exodus" (Texas Observer • Nov 2010) 30:00 "Beyond the Border" (Texas Observer, Guardian • Aug 2014) 32:00 "They Die in Brooks County" (Mary Jo McConahay • Texas Observer • Jun 2007) 33:00 Type Investigations 34:00 "Death on Sevenmile Road" (Texas Observer • May 2015) 42:00 Bloodlines (Ecco • 2017) 50:00 Dart Center for Journalism and Trauma 50:00 "The Deadliest Place In Mexico" (Texas Observer • Feb 2012) 58:00 "The El Paso Experiment" (Intercept • Nov 2020) 1:03:00 "Army Sergeants at Fort Hood Fear for the Safety of Their Soldiers" (Intercept • Oct 2020) 1:04:00 "A Group of Agents Rose Through the Ranks to Lead the Border Patrol. They’re Leaving It in Crisis." (ProPublica • Feb 2020)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Reggie Ugwu is an arts reporter for The New York Times. “I find that even though I talk to celebrities or popular artists, I’m not all that interested in celebrity. I’m pretty uninterested in celebrity. But I’m really interested in creativity.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @uugwuu Ugwu on Longform Ugwu's New York Times archive 10:00 The Quake (Martin Smith and Marcela Gaviria • Frontline • Mar 2010) 12:00 "Inside The Playlist Factory" (Buzzfeed • Jul 2016) 12:00 stereogum.com 17:00 "A Song No One Remembered. A Podcast That’s Hard to Forget." (New York Times • Mar 2020) 18:00 "'Song Exploder' and the Inexhaustible Hustle of Hrishikesh Hirway" (New York Times • Nov 2020) 22:00 "Francis and the Lights, Pop Star Interrupted" (New York Times • Mar 2020) 27:00 "'Black Panther' Star Chadwick Boseman Dies of Cancer at 43" (New York Times • Aug 2020) 27:00 "Overlooked No More: Robert Johnson, Bluesman Whose Life Was a Riddle" (New York Times • Sept 2019) 28:00 "How Chadwick Boseman Embodies Black Male Dignity" (New York Times • Jan 2019) 30:00 "Why Are There So Few Black Directors in the Criterion Collection?" (Kyle Buchanan and Reggie Ugwu • New York Times • Aug 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Stephanie McCrummen is a national enterprise reporter at The Washington Post. “I do have to psych myself up. There’s always something awkward about it and that never goes away. … No matter how long I do this job, that part of it doesn’t get any easier. It’s always a bit awkward and you’re always sort of humbled when someone actually is willing to talk to you. Then it can be kind of thrilling, once you’re in it, once you’re actually in the conversation. ... But the moment a few seconds before that is still—to this day, it’s sort of an act of will.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @mccrummenWaPo McCrummen on Longform McCrummen's Washington Post archive 08:00 "In Georgia, a Biden supporter realizes the power of her ballot" (Washington Post • Nov 2020) 12:00 "Miranda’s Rebellion" (Washington Post • Feb 2020) 28:00 "Judgment Days" (Washington Post • Jul 2018) 37:00 "Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32" (Washington Post • Nov 2017) 43:00 "A woman approached The Post with dramatic — and false — tale about Roy Moore. She appears to be part of undercover sting operation." (Shawn Boburg, Aaron C. Davis and Alice Crites • Washington Post • Nov 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Olivia Nuzzi is the White House correspondent for New York.“I don’t think that, broadly speaking, this a group of redeemable people. … But I do think there is tremendous value, in this first draft of history, trying to understand why the fuck they are like this. … There is value in understanding why these people are like this because they are the reason why we are here in this situation. And I think it’s a [question] that historians will try to answer years from now. … I view my job as providing fodder for that.” Thanks to Mailchimp and SAIC for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes:   @Olivianuzzi Nuzzi on Longform Nuzzi's archive at New York 13:00 "The Final Gasp of Donald Trump’s Presidency" (New York • Nov 2020) 24:00 "Steve Bannon and Reince Priebus Want You to Know They’re Actually Friends" (New York • Feb 2017) 25:00 "My Private Oval Office Press Conference With Trump, Pence, Pompeo, and Kelly" (New York • Oct 2018) 25:00 "How John Kelly Failed to Tame the West Wing" (New York • Dec 2018) 25:00 "The Chaotic, Desperate, Last-Minute Trump 2020 Reboot" (New York • Aug 2020) 36:00 "The Mystifying Triumph of Hope Hicks, Donald Trump’s Right-Hand Woman" (GQ • Jun 2016) 39:00 "An Anonymous Republican on Power vs. Contempt for Trump" (New York • Oct 2020) 56:00 "Listen to Children Who’ve Just Been Separated From Their Parents at the Border" (Ginger Thompson • ProPublica • Jun 2018) 1:06:00 "Does Governor Andrew Cuomo Have His Nipples Pierced?" (New York • Apr 2020) 1:08:00 Nuzzi's archive at The Daily Beast 1:08:00 "The Entire Presidency Is a Superspreading Event" (New York • Oct 2020)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Reeves Wiedeman is a reporter at New York and the author of the new book Billion Dollar Loser. “You get inside these companies and … you assume everything is running based on models and numbers and then you get inside and it’s just people. And sometimes they have MBAs and sometimes they don’t. … At the end of the day, whether you’re running a media company or an office space company, it’s all people making these decisions and they often do very strange, contradictory, and ultimately unsuccessful things.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @reeveswiedeman reeveswiedeman.net Wiedeman on Longform Wiedeman on Longform Podcast Wiedeman's archive at New York Magazine 01:00 "The Watcher" (New York • Nov 2018) 01:00 "What's Left of Condé Nast" (New York • Oct 2019) 01:00 "A Company Built on a Bluff" (New York • Jun 2018) 01:00 "The I in We" (New York • Jun 2019) 02:00 Billion Dollar Loser (Little Brown • 2020) 17:00 "Is Uber Evil, Or Just Doomed?" (New York • May 2017) 25:00 Cambridge Analytica coverage at The Guardian   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Latif Nasser co-hosts Radiolab. He also hosted The Other Latif and the Netflix documentary series Connected.“It’s so easy to hate everything and be cynical. There’s a kind of ease to that. It takes a lot more courage to go up in front of everybody and be like, This is awesome. I love this. That takes a lot of guts, I think.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes:   @latifnasser 02:00 The Other Latif (WNYC Studios • 2020) 02:00 Connected (Netflix • 2020) 09:00 "Dust" from Connected (Netflix • 2020) 09:00 "Digits" from Connected (Netflix • 2020) 18:00 "A Clockwork Miracle" (Radiolab • 2012) 22:00 "Smile My Ass" (Radiolab • Oct 2015) 28:00 "The World’s Biggest Scavenger Hunt: A Guide To Finding Stories" (Transom • Nov 2018)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Barton Gellman is a staff writer for The Atlantic. and was previously a Pulitzer-winning reporter at The Washington Post. His latest book is Dark Mirror: Edward Snowden and the American Surveillance State and his latest essay is "The Election That Could Break America."“I have found that I have a talent for accidentally pissing people off. ... I’m interested most in accountability and the use and abuse of power. So naturally it’s going to annoy people sometimes. And sometimes they take it like grown-ups and sometimes less so.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @bartongellman bartongellman.com Gellman on Longform Dark Mirror (Penguin Press • 2020) 10:00 Gellman's early Washington Post archive 37:00 Gellman's Time archive 39:00 Gellman's NSA stories at The Washington Post 57:00 "The Election That Could Break America" (The Atlantic • Nov 2020)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Latria Graham is a writer living in South Carolina. Her work has appeared in Outside, Garden & Gun, The Guardian, and The New York Times. Her latest essay is "Out There, Nobody Can Hear You Scream." “My goal as a person—not just as a writer—is to be the adult that I needed when I was younger. That’s why I go and talk to college classes. That’s why I write some of these vulnerable things, to let people that are struggling know that they’re not on their own. … I have to be unmerciful to myself, I think, in order to do it. I really do try to dissect myself and my mistakes. And just kind of say, Here’s the full deck of my life. Take from it what you need. But I’m not holding out on you.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @LatriaGraham latriagraham.com 10:00 Going Hungry (Kate M. Taylor • Anchor • 2008) 32:00 "The Dark Knight Unmasked" (SB Nation • Jan 2016) 37:00 "We're Here. You Just Don't See Us." (Outside • May 2018) 37:00 "Out There, Nobody Can Hear You Scream" (Outside • Sept 2020) 48:00 "How an E-Bike Got Me Riding Again After 20 Years" (Bicycling • Jul 2018) 1:03:00 "A Dream Uprooted" (Garden & Gun • Apr/May 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nicholson Baker is the author of 18 books of fiction and nonfiction. He has written for The New Yorker, Harper’s, and many other publications. His latest book is Baseless: My Search for Secrets in the Ruins of the Freedom of Information Act. "In the end, I don’t care how famous you get, how widely read you are during your lifetime. You’re going to be forgotten. And you’re going to have five or six fans in the end. It’s going to be your grandchildren or your great-grandchildren are going to say, Oh, yeah, he was big. … So I think the key is, write what you actually care about. Because in the end, you’re only doing this for yourself. … So maybe do your best stuff for yourself and for the three, four, five people who know in the coming century that you ever existed. That’s all you need to do." Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @nicholsonbaker8 nicholsonbaker.com The Mezzanine (Grove Press • 1988) Baseless (Penguin Press • 2020) 10:00 Human Smoke (Simon & Schuster • 2009) 10:00 "Wrong Answer" (Harper's • Sept 2013) 11:00 Room Temperature (Grove Press • 2010) 11:00 U and I (Random House • 2000) 11:00 The Fermata(2000) 12:00 "The Projector" (New Yorker • Mar 1994) 12:00 The Size of Thoughts (Vintage Contemporaries • 1996) 13:00 "The Author vs. the Library" (New Yorker • Oct 1996) 19:00 Double Fold (Vintage • 2002) 30:00 Lab 257 (Michael Carroll • Willam Morrow Paperbacks • 2005) 33:00 Longform Podcast #192: Seymour Hersh 33:00 The Killing of Osama Bin Laden (Seymour Hersh • Verso • 2017) 33:00 Longform Podcast #321: Nicholas Schmidle 33:00 "Getting Bin Laden" (Nicholas Schmidle • New Yorker • Aug 2011) 46:00 Baker's New Yorker archive     Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Elizabeth Weil covers California and the climate for ProPublica. She has written for The New York Times Magazine, California Sunday, and more.“As a journalist you’re endlessly asking people to tell you really personal, really vulnerable stuff about their lives. And I feel like you have to be willing to be in that conversation too—or really think about why you’re not willing.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes:  @lizweil elizabethweil.net Weil on Longform 03:00 "Why He Kayaked Across the Atlantic at 70 (For the Third Time)" (New York Times Magazine • Mar 2018) 04:00 "What the Photos of Wildfires and Smoke Don’t Show You" (ProPublica • Sept 2020) 08:00 "The Climate Crisis Is Happening Right Now. Just Look at California’s Weekend." (ProPublica • Sept 2020) 13:00 "The Lost Boys of Sudan; The Long, Long, Long Road to Fargo" (Sara Corbett • New York Times Magazine • April 2001) 17:00 Off the Sidelines (Kirsten Gillibrand • Penguin Random House • 2015) 20:00 "In the Ashes of Ghost Ship" (New York Times Magazine • Dec 2018) 24:00 "Mary Cain Is Growing Up Fast" (New York Times Magazine • Mar 2015) 31:00 "Kamala Harris Takes Her Shot" (Atlantic • May 2019) 32:00 The Girl Who Smiled Beads (Clemantine Wamariya • Penguin Random House • 2019) 36:00 No Cheating, No Dying (Scribner • 2012) 36:00 They All Laughed at Christopher Columbus (Bantam • 2010) 39:00 "Married (Happily) With Issues" (New York Times Magazine • Dec 2009) 42:00 "Raising a Teenage Daughter" (California Sunday Magazine • Nov 2017)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jiayang Fan is a staff writer for The New Yorker. Her latest article is a "How My Mother and I Became Chinese Propaganda.""I think considering the unusual shape of our lives—the lives of my mother and I—from bare subsistence to one of the richest enclaves in America … it made me think about what the value of existence is. ... It made me wonder, What should a person be? And how should a person be? And being a writer has been a lifelong quest to answer those questions." Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes   @JiayangFan Fan on Longform Fan at The New Yorker 02:00 "How My Mother and I Became Chinese Propaganda" (New Yorker • Sept 2020) 09:00 "Hong Kong's Protest Movement and the Fight for the City's Soul" (New Yorker • Dec 2019) 40:00 "China's Selfie Obsession" (New Yorker • Dec 2017) 41:00 "China's Mistress-Dispellers" (New Yorker • June 2017) 43:00 "How E-Commerce is Transforming Rural China" (New Yorker • July 2018)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Claudia Rankine is a poet, essayist, and playwright. She is the author of the new book, Just Us: An American Conversation.“I began to wonder, why am I maintaining civility around things that are actually very important to me? This might be the only chance I get to stand up for myself. As Claudia. As a Black person. As a Black woman. As an American citizen. So what am I waiting for? What am I preserving when the thing I am supposedly preserving is also the thing that is on some level killing me?” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: Rankine on Longform Just Us: An American Conversation (Graywolf Press • 2020) Citizen: An American Lyric (Graywolf Press • 2014) 4:00 "The Meaning of Serena Williams" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2015) 4:00 "I Wanted to Know What White Men Thought About Their Privilege. So I Asked." (New York Times Magazine • July 2019) 4:00 On Being: Claudia Rankine 43:00 "Black Newborns More Likely to Die When Looked After By White Doctors" (Rob Picheta • CNN • Aug 2020)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ta-Nehisi Coates is an author and journalist. He served as guest editor for the September issue of Vanity Fair, titled "The Great Fire."“There’s this pressure to say something. Say something. The world’s burning, say something. But I try to stay where I’ve been or where I’ve tried to be in my career. ... Good things take time. You gotta let things cook. You can’t insta-bake something like this.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes:   ta-nehisicoates.com Coates on Longform Longform Podcast #7: Ta-Nehisi Coates Longform Podcast #97: Ta-Nehisi Coates Longform Podcast #168: Ta-Nehisi Coates Longform Podcast #225: Ta-Nehisi Coates Longform Podcast #360: Ta-Nehisi Coates and Chris Jackson 1:00 "The Great Fire: A Special Issue, Edited by Ta-Nehisi Coates" (Vanity Fair • September 2020) 1:15 "On Witnessing and Respair: A Personal Tragedy Followed by Pandemic" (Jesmyn Ward • Vanity Fair • September 2020) 1:15 "Blue Bloods: America's Brotherhood of Police Officers" (Eve L. Ewing • Vanity Fair • September 2020) 1:30 "The Abolition Movement" (Josie Duffy Rice • Vanity Fair • September 2020) 1:30 "College Football Players are Unpaid Stars on the Field – And Have No Power Off It" (Bomani Jones • Vanity Fair • September 2020) 1:45 "Amy Sherald on Making Breonna Taylor's Portrait" (Miles Pope • Vanity Fair • September 2020) 7:00 The Apollo and The Atlantic Present Black Panther in Conversation: Featuring Chadwick Boseman and Ta-Nehisi Coates 9:30 “He Was An Epic Firework Display”: Ryan Coogler on Chadwick Boseman 15:00 Longform Podcast #363: Radhika Jones 15:45 "'I Am Still Called by the God I Serve to Walk This Out' A conversation with Lucia McBath, mother of Jordan Davis" (The Atlantic • February 2014) 20:30 "Mississippi: A Poem, In Days" (Kiese Makeba Lamon • Vanity Fair • September 2020) 23:15 "The Life of Breonna Taylor Lived, in the Words of Her Mother" (Ta-Nehisi Coates • Photography by Latoya Ruby Frazier • Vanity Fair • September 2020) 26:00 Between the World and Me 27:45 "Viola Davis: “My Entire Life Has Been a Protest" (Sonia Saraiya • Vanity Fair • July/August 2020) 27:45 "Janelle Monáe: Artist in Residence" (Yohana Desta • Vanity Fair • May 2020) 27:45 "For the Love of Lupita Nyong’o" (Kimberly Drew • Vanity Fair • September 2019) 44:00 "I’m Still Reading Andrew Sullivan. But I Can’t Defend Him." (Ben Smith • New York Times • Aug 2020) 46:15 "Myths About Physical Racial Differences Were Used to Justify Slavery — and are Still Believed by Doctors Today." (Linda Villarosa • New York Times Magazine • August 2019)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Baynard Woods and Brandon Soderberg are the co-authors of the new book I Got A Monster: The Rise and Fall of America's Most Corrupt Police Squad.“We really wanted to create some kind of leftist, anti-racist true crime story that we really haven’t seen. The conventions of the thriller often smuggle in all of this really right-wing, pro-police propaganda that all of our cops were raised on—the story of cops having to crash cars and break rules in order to get the bad guys. We wanted to take that and subvert it, using its methods to blow it up from the inside while also being rigorously reported.” Thanks to Mailchimp and The Jordan Harbinger Show for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @baynardwoods @notrivia 5:30 "Even After the Remaining Charges Were Dropped in Freddie Gray's Death, Mosby Received a Hero's Welcome in Sandtown While the FOP Countered SAO's Arguments" (Baynard Woods • Baltimore City Paper • August 2016) 7:00 "Freddie Gray: Judge Declares Mistrial in Case Against Baltimore Police Officer" (Baynard Woods • The Guardian • December 2015) 8:00 "What Happened to Tyree Woodson?" (Baynard Woods • Baltimore City Paper • May 2017) 8:15 "The Detective and the Rapper" (Baynard Woods • Baltimore City Paper • October 2014) 8:15 Longform Podcast #395: Wesley Lowery 18:00 The Mastermind: Drugs. Empire. Murder. Betrayal. (Evan Ratliff • Random House • 2019) 28:30 "A Documentary About Baltimore's Notorious Urban Dirt Bike Riders" (Baynard Woods • Baltimore City Paper • March 2013) 28:30 Coffin Point: The Strange Cases Of Ed Mc Teer, Witch Doctor Sheriff (Baynard Woods • River City Publishing • 2010)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Andrea Valdez is the editor-in-chief of The 19th*.“You know how sometimes you hear a song and you think, Gosh, it feels like that song has always existed and an artist just plucked it out of the air and played it and now it’s a part of our musical canon? I really hope that The 19th* is a news organization where it feels like it has always been, should have always been, and will always be there.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes @andreamvaldez 00:30 The 19th* 1:30 Valdez's archive at Texas Monthly 17:50 Valdez's archive at Wired 25:15 Valdez's archive at The Texas Observer 32:00 "America’s First Female Recession" (Chabeli Carrazana • The 19th* • July 2020) 32:00 "Black Female Voters Say They Want What They’re Owed: Power" (Errin Haines • The 19th* • July 2020) 33:00 "Kamala Harris Applauds Biden’s “Audacity to Choose a Black Woman to Be His Running Mate”" (Shefali Luthra • The 19th* • August 2020) 37:45 "Breonna Taylor’s Death Looms Over Kentucky’s Primary Election (Errin Haines • The 19th* • June 2020) 41:00 "The Newsroom Where Politics Is Not About Men" (Angelina Chapin • The Cut • Aug 2020)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jason Parham is a senior writer at Wired.“I think of myself some days as a critic. Some days I think of myself as a journalist. But I essentially mostly think of myself as an essayist, somebody who is trying to bridge those two traditions. My approach to writing now is kind of simple…I’m always writing about things I like and want to hear about.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes:   @nonlinearnotes jasonparham.com 00:45 "TikTok and the Evolution of Digital Blackface" (Wired • Aug 2020) 1:00 Spook 1:45 Evan (@henrylittleboots) on TikTok 18:30  "The Reality of Dating White Women When You're Black" (Ernest Baker • Gawker • Jun 2014) 21:30 "Gawker Media's Responsibility to Diversity" (Jan 2015) 24:00 Gawker Cuts Seven Staffers as It Goes All Politics (Peter Sterne • Politico • Nov 2015) 29:15 Longform Podcast #335: Kiese Laymon (Peter Sterne • Politico • Nov 2015) 30:00 "And Lo, With Russell Westbrook, Humanity Outpaced Science" (Wired • June 2017) 30:00 "How Oprah’s Network Finally Found Its Voice" (Wired • June 2018) 39:15 Longform Podcast #157: Margo Jefferson 39:15 "Ripping Off Black Music" (Harper’s • January 1973) 43:00 "Why I (Still) Love Tech: In Defense of a Difficult Industry" (Wired • May 2019) 44:15 "When Influencers Switch Platforms—and Bare It All" (Wired • August 2019)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jenny Kleeman is a journalist, broadcaster and the author of the new book Sex Robots and Vegan Meat: Adventures at the Frontier of Birth, Food, Sex, and Death.“It’s better to cover one thing in a really illuminating way than to try and explore every single aspect of a topic in a really superficial way. So if there’s one thing that particularly interests you or fascinates you, if there’s just one question you want to ask, do as much research as you can on that one question and you’ll end up with a much more illuminating interview than something that is a precis of their entire field. Because anyone can do that.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes:   Mailchimp's By the Books @jennykleeman jennykleeman.com 13:15 "The Race to Build the World's First Sex Robot" (The Guardian • April 2017) 15:00 "The Murderers Next Door" (The Guardian • October 2014) 21:00 "The YouTube Star Who Fought Back Against Revenge Porn—and Won" (The Guardian • January 2018) 32:15 The Immaculate Deception Podcast 34:00 BBC Hotspot 36:00 HBO: Vice News Tonight   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Seyward Darby is the editor-in-chief of The Atavist Magazine and the author of Sisters in Hate: American Women on the Front Lines of White Nationalism.“The most enlightening thing I learned in working on this book ultimately was that when we think of hate we think of animosity. Hate means I do not like someone or I do not like something. I deplore it. I despise it. But hate as a movement is actually a lot more like any social movement where it’s providing something to its supporters, members, acolytes that they were seeking but didn’t necessarily know where they were going to find it. So it could be camaraderie, it could be power, it could be purpose, in some cases it could be money. There’s something terrifyingly mundane about that.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes:   The Mastermind Chronicles of Now @seywarddarby seywarddarby.com 3:15 "White Supremacy Was Her World. And Then She Left." (New York Times • 2020) 8:00 A Voice of Hate in America’s Heartland (New York Times • 2017) 8:45 The Rise of the Valkyries (Harpers • 2017) 20:00 Longform Podcast #362: Andrew Marantz 30:15 The History of White People (Nell Irvin Painter • W. W. Norton & Company • 2011) 32:45 Longform Podcast #395: Wesley Lowery 43:15 Duke Lacrosse Case 50:00 The Duke Lacrosse Scandal and the Birth of the Alt-Right (New York Magazine • 2017)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Raquel Willis, the former executive editor of Out, is an activist, journalist, and writer. Guest host Patrice Peck is a freelance journalist and writes the Coronavirus News for Black Folks newsletter.“To my peers, I would just say that we have to rethink our idea of leadership. Rethink our idea of storytelling. As the media, we shouldn’t be seeing ourselves as the owners and the gatekeepers of people’s stories. We actually need to be democratizing this experience—sharing the tools of storytelling with other folks. Folks are hungry to tell their own stories and may not always have the tools.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @RaquelWillis_ raquelwillis.com 00:30 "Self-Care for Black Journalists" (Patrice Peck • New York Times • Jul 2020) 00:45 Transgender Law Center 00:45 Out 01:00 Ms. Foundation for Women 13:00 National Association of Black Journalists 16:45 "Trans Women Are Women. This Isn’t a Debate." (The Root • Mar 2017) 19:00 "I Was Born a Boy" (Janet Mock • The Root • Mar 2017) 19:30 Orange is the New Black 26:30 HowStuffWorks 27:15 Transgender Teen's Death Sparks Outcry From Advocates (Eliana Dockterman • Time • Dec 2014) 28:00 I"Man Sentenced to 12 Years in Beating Death of Transgender Woman" (James C. McKinley Jr. • New York Times • Apr 2016) 38:15 Jack Jones Literary Arts 39:30 "Our March Cover Stars: The Mothers and Daughters of the Movement" (Out • February 2019) 40:30 BYP100 41:00 "Introducing the Out100 Trans Obituaries Project" (Out • November 2019) 41:15 "Layleen Cubilette-Polanco Died in the System, but Her Fight Lives On" (Out • November 2019) 45:30 ”Overlooked" (New York Times) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

An episode featuring Ashley C. Ford from "The Books That Changed Us," a new, short-run podcast hosted by Aaron and Max where authors discuss the books that made them who they are. The 10-episode series is part of Mailchimp's By The Books, a summer-long virtual literary festival curated by last week's Longform guests, Aminatou Sow and Ann Friedman. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Aminatou Sow and Ann Friedman are co-hosts of the podcast Call Your Girlfriend and co-authors of the new book Big Friendship: How We Keep Each Other Close.“People telling you about their lives is a real privilege and honor. No one owes you to tell you their story. Sometimes in the world of people who write or people who make media there is just this expectation that everything is on the table, especially if you’re two women who make media, that we’re supposed to just share our pain and everything that’s going on in our lives but that’s not fair and it’s not true and I think the larger project of this book is really sharing these stories in service of having an honest dialogue about how other people are doing friendship.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @aminatou @annfriedman bigfriendship.com annfriedman.com Longform Podcast #37: Ann Friedman 2:00 Mailchimp Presents: By The Books 19:00 Shine Theory 1:08:15 Carrie Frye Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Maria Konnikova is a journalist, professional poker player, and author of the new book The Biggest Bluff: How I Learned to Pay Attention, Master Myself, and Win. “I do think that writing and psychology are so closely interlinked. The connections between the human mind and writing are in some ways the same thing. If you’re a good writer, you have to be a good, intuitive psychologist. You have to understand people, observe them, and really figure out what makes them tick.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. [13:30] Mastermind: How to Think Like Sherlock Holmes (2013) [14:15] Longform Podcast #324: Malcolm Gladwell [16:30] "When Authors Disown Their Work, Should Readers Care?" (The Atlantic • August 2012) [16:30] "Is Huckleberry Finn's ending really lacking? Not if you're talking psychology." (Scientific American • October 2012) [19:45] The Confidence Game: Why We Fall for It . . . Every Time (2017) [23:15] The Grift Podcast [34:45] Rounders (1998) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tessie Castillo, a journalist covering criminal justice reform, and George Wilkerson, a prisoner on death row in North Carolina, are two of the co-authors of Crimson Letters: Voices from Death Row. “I want other people to see what I see, which is that the men on death row are human beings. They’re incredibly intelligent and insightful and they have so many redemptive qualities...I don’t think I could really convey that as well as if they get their own voice out there. So I wanted this book to be a platform for them and for their voices.” –Tessie Castillo “For me, writing was like a form of conversation with myself or with my past, like therapy. So I just chose these periods in my life that I didn’t really understand and that were really powerful and impactful to me, and I just sat down and started writing to understand them and make peace with them.” –George Wilkerson Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @TessietheWriter Castillo's archive [06:15] "A Second Chance" (Slate • May 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dean Baquet is executive editor of The New York Times. "I always tried to question what is the difference between what is truly tradition and core, and what is merely habit. A lot of stuff we think are core, are just habits. The way we write newspaper stories, that’s not core, that’s habit. I think that’s the most important part about leading a place that’s going through dramatic change and even generational change. You’ve got to say, here’s what’s not going to change. This is core. This is who we are. Everything else is sort of up for grabs." Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Baquet’s archive at The New York Times [03:15] "Tom Cotton: Send In the Troops" (The New York Times • June 2020) [03:30] "A Reckoning Over Objectivity, Led by Black Journalists" (The New York Times • June 2020) [10:00] The Trust: The Private and Powerful Family Behind The New York Times (Jones, Tifft • Little, Brown • 1999) [29:45] Dean Baquet’s 1988 Pulitzer Prize [55:15] “Still Processing: The Day After” (The New York Times • November 2016) [1:09:15] Longform Podcast #254: Maggie Haberman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jacqueline Charles is the Caribbean correspondent at the .Miami Herald Guest host Patrice Peck is a freelance journalist and writes the newsletterCoronavirus News for Black Folks. "There are things that you see that if you start taking it in, you’re never going to stop and you’re not going to be able to do your job…I have family in all of these countries and when disaster strikes, you can’t help everyone. But what you hope is that with your pen, with your voice, with your recording of history…somebody somewhere will feel compelled to do something. So that’s what keeps me going." MailchimpApple BooksThanks to and for sponsoring this week's episode. @Jacquiecharles Charles’s archive at Miami Herald [58:45] "Flowers and Calls for Unity Mark Haiti’s 10th Anniversary Quake Commemoration" (Miami Herald • January 2020) [1:03:30] "Journalist Jacqueline Charles, Child of the Caribbean" (South Florida Times • July 2011) [1:03:30] “NABJ Names Miami Herald’s Jacqueline Charles Journalist of the Year” (National Association of Black Journalists • 2011) [1:04:15] Patrick Farrell’s 2009 Pulitzer Prize Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kierna Mayo is the showrunner and head writer for the Lena Horne Prize for Artists Creating Social Impact. She is the former editor-in-chief of Ebony and Honey Magazine, which she co-founded at age 27. Guest host Patrice Peck is a freelance journalist and writes the Coronavirus News for Black Folks newsletter. Her most recent article is "Black Journalists Are Exhausted," an op-ed published in The New York Times. “Advocacy is not a bad word. Telling the truth about a particular slice of life is what my career has been. That slice of life started about young people who were partaking in hip hop culture. Most of them were of color, most of them were poor. So that was a perspective. If you begin to tell the stories of those people at that time, that begins to have an advocacy feel and taste and touch. Not even with a consciousness to it. Because this is a lost voice. This is a lost point of view. It is not in the mainstream. It is not being centered. No one is telling it. So the mere act of shedding light journalistically in places where there has been no light before is advocacy. Sorry, journalists. Sorry, all you impartial, fair-and-balanced folks.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @kiernamayo kierna-mayo.format.com @speakpatrice Coronavirus News for Black Folks [3:00]"'Ebony Magazine' Explores 'The Cosby Show's' Tainted Legacy" (All Things Considered • Oct 2015) [4:30] "Black Journalists Are Exhausted" (Patrice Peck • New York Times • Jun 2020) [10:00] Jamilah Lemieux [48:00] "Does America Love Black People?" (Ebony • Jul 2015) [48:45] Amy DuBois Barnett [54:00] Damon Young [54:00] Michael Arceneaux [54:00] Zerlina Maxwell [54:00] Longform Podcast #395: Wesley Lowery [1:16:45] cassiuslife.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wesley Lowery is a correspondent for “60 in 6” from 60 Minutes. He is the author of They Can't Kill Us All: Ferguson, Baltimore, and a New Era in America's Racial Justice Movement and won the 2016 Pulitzer Prize for "Fatal Force," a Washington Post project covering fatal shootings by police officers. “The police are not, in and of themselves, objective observers of things. They are political and government entities who are the literal characters in the story. They are describing the actions of people who are protesting them. They have incentives.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @WesleyLowery Longform Podcast #222: Wesley Lowery In Ferguson, Washington Post reporter Wesley Lowery gives account of his arrest" (Washington Post • Aug 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Philip Montgomery is a photojournalist. “The photographers that I grew up on all sort of had their moment… I sort of had, in this weird way, this feeling of envy that they had their moment with this story that was all-encompassing. Looking at it now, this is the story of my time, and it’s a little more than I perhaps bargained for.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @philip_nyc philipmontgomery.com [04:23] "The Epicenter: A Week Inside New York’s Public Hospitals." (New York Times Magazine • April 2020) [24:55] "How Do You Maintain Dignity for the Dead in a Pandemic?" (New York Times Magazine • May 2020) [34:05] War Photographer (2001) [24:55] "Is Stop and Frisk Worth It?" (The Atlantic • April 2014) [48:28] "The Longest Night" (2014) [24:55] "Flash Points" (New Yorker • Aug 2015) [53:24] "‘We’ve Upped the Ante.’ Why Nancy Pelosi Is Going All in Against Trump" (Time • Jan 2020) [53:28] "Jeff Sessions Is Winning for Donald Trump. If Only He Can Keep His Job" (Time • March 2018) [53:30] "De Niro and Pacino Have Always Connected. Just Rarely Onscreen." (New York Times • Oct 2019) [54:00] "The Year's Great Performers Dancing in a Series of Short Films" (New York Times Magazine • Dec 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Isaac Chotiner conducts interviews for The New Yorker. “People like to talk. They like to be asked questions, generally. In the space that I’m doing most interviews, which is politics or politics-adjacent, people have strong views and like to express them. It may be just as simple as that.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @IChotiner Chotiner on Longform Chotiner's New Yorker archive [08:03] "V.S. Naipaul on the Arab Spring, Authors He Loathes, and the Books He will Never Write" (The New Republic • Dec 2012) [25:16] Talk (New York Times Magazine) [28:30] He Was a Science Star. Then He Promoted a Questionable Cure for Covid-19." (New York Times Magazine • May 2020) [29:24] "What We Know About Masks and the New Coronavirus" (New Yorker • April 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

David Haskell is the editor-in-chief of New York Magazine. “Fingers crossed, knock on wood, we've got time here. You can't ever take that for granted, but I think it's fair to indulge a long-term perspective. More than fair, actually — I think it's part of the job, for me at least, to be plotting and dreaming years out. And to be fashioning the magazine toward that long-term vision as gingerly as I can without it breaking.” Thanks to Mailchimp, Pitt Writers, Squarespace, and Literati for sponsoring this week's episode. @DavidGHaskell davidhaskell.us Kings County Distillery [13:29] "Rich Corona, Poor Corona: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Thrives" (New York Magazine • April 2020) [15:00] I Was Caroline Calloway (Natalie Beach • The Cut) [30:10] "What is College Without the Campus?" (New York Magazine • May 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cheryl Strayed is the author of Wild and Tiny Beautiful Things. Her new podcast is Sugar Calling. “I think that we have this limited idea of what ambition is. All through my twenties, you wouldn’t necessarily have looked at me and been like, ‘she’s ambitious.’ I mean, I was working as a waitress. I was goofing around and doing all kinds of things. But I was always writing. And I was always really sure and clear and serious about my writing. My ambition was this secret thing within me that I dedicated myself to.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @CherylStrayed cherylstrayed.com Longform Podcast #144: Cheryl Strayed Strayed on Longform [07:12] Sugar Calling [23:21] Transparent Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bonnie Tsui is a journalist and author of the new book Why We Swim. “I am a self-motivated person. I really don’t like being told what to do. I’ve thought about this many times over the last 16 years that I’ve been a full-time freelancer... even though I thought my dream was to always and forever be living in New York, working in publishing, working at a magazine, being an editor, writing. When I was an editor, I kind of hated it. I just didn’t like being chained to a desk.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @bonnietsui bonnietsui.com [02:34] Why We Swim (Algonquin • 2020) [03:50] American Chinatown: A People's History of Five Neighborhoods (Tsui • Free Press • 2009) [11:02] The Deep (2012) [28:25] "With His Absence, My Artist Father Taught Me the Art of Vanishing" (Catapult • Feb 2019) [42:11] "After Fires, Napa and Sonoma Tourism Industry Is Getting Back on Its Feet" (New York Times • Oct 2017) [45:04] "Child Care: What — and Who — It Takes to Raise a Family" (California Sunday • July 2019) [49:38] "The Break: Female Big-Wave Surfers Prepare to Compete on Mavericks’s 50-Foot Waves for the First Time" (California Sunday • Aug 2018) [50:46] "Meet the Women Who Are Changing What it Means to be a Mom and a Professional Athlete" (Sports Illustrated • Dec 2019) [54:03] "You Are Doing Something Important When You Aren’t Doing Anything" (New York Times • June 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lulu Miller is a former producer at Radiolab and a co-founder of Invisibilia. Her new book is Why Fish Don't Exist: A Story of Loss, Love, and the Hidden Order of Life. “I think almost every radio story I’ve ever done comes down to the question of me trying to ask a person how they get through this life thing. How they get through this breakup. How they get through being disabled in a family that's crushing them. How they get through having a head that's poisonous. Every story is just, Oh, what's your trick?” Thanks to Mailchimp, Literati, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @lmillernpr lutimestwo.com Miller's archive at NPR Invisibilia [04:57] Why Fish Don't Exist: A Story of Loss, Love, and the Hidden Order of Life (Simon & Schuster • 2020) [15:18] "The Reluctant Immortalist" (Invisibilia • April 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Naomi Klein is a senior correspondent at The Intercept and the author of The Shock Doctrine and No Logo. Her most recent book is On Fire: The (Burning) Case for a Green New Deal. “I have no idea whether we will do this. All I know is there is a slim chance, a very slim chance, that we could make things a lot better than if we do nothing and just let it burn. The stakes of that are so high that I’m not going to spend my time trying to figure out whether our chances are good or not. I’m just gonna try to enlarge those chances.” Thanks to Mailchimp, Literati, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @NaomiAKlein naomiklein.org Klein on Longform [20:09] "The Problem With Hillary Clinton Isn’t Just Her Corporate Cash. It’s Her Corporate Worldview." (The Nation • April 2016) [23:46] On Fire: The (Burning) Case for a Green New Deal. (Naomi Klein • Simon & Schuster • 2019) [25:38] No Logo (Picador • 1999) [25:39] The Shock Doctrine (Picador • 2007) [25:40] This Changes Everything (Simon & Schuster • 2014) [44:31] "In a Summer of Wildfires and Hurricanes, My Son Asks 'Why Is Everything Going Wrong?'" (The Intercept • Sep 2017) [45:13] The Take (2004) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Eva Holland is a freelance journalist and a correspondent for Outside. Her new book is Nerve: Adventures in the Science of Fear. “I'm less caught up in my freelance career anxieties every day that this goes on. Maybe I'll become a paramedic, who knows? Magazines I write for are already shutting down because of this. You can only freak out so much before you decide that if you end up having to find a new way to make a living, that's what you'll do.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @evaholland Holland's archive at Outside Magazine Holland on Longform [07:31] Nerve: Adventures in the Science of Fear (Eva Holland • The Experiment • 2020) [30:50] "No Sleep 'Till Fairbanks" (SB Nation • March 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ed Yong is the author of I Contain Multitudes and a science writer at The Atlantic . His most recent article is "How the Pandemic Will End." “Normally when I write things that are about a pressing societal issue, those pieces feel like they’re about things that need to get solved in timeframes of, say, months or years. ... But now I’m writing pieces that are affecting people’s choices and lives, and hopefully the direction of the entire country, on an hourly basis. The changes I hope to see, I hope to see immediately. Like right now. And that does create a massive sense of urgency, a sense of pressing, incredibly high stakes. And it’s a burden.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @edyong209 edyong.me Yong on Longform [01:08] "How the Pandemic Will End" (The Atlantic • March 2020) [02:49] "The Next Plague Is Coming. Is America Ready?" (The Atlantic • July 2018) [28:21] "How a Pandemic Might Play Out Under Trump" (The Atlantic • Dec 2016) [39:33] Flash Forward Podcast [46:02] "The Last Giraffes on Earth" (The Atlantic • March 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charlie Warzel is a writer-at-large for The New York Times opinion page. “I’m relying on my morals more than I normally do, but less on my gut. The stakes are just so high.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @cwarzel Warzel's archive at The New York Times Longform Podcast #291: Charlie Warzel Warzel on Longform [05:08] "Please, Don’t Go Out to Brunch Today" (New York Times • March 2020) [10:52] "Please, Listen to Experts About the Coronavirus. Then Step Up." (New York Times • March 2020) [29:57] "They Went off the Grid. They Came Back to Coronavirus." (New York Times • March 2020) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jon Mooallem is a journalist, author, and host of The Walking Podcast. His latest book is This is Chance!: The Shaking of an All-American City, A Voice That Held It Together. “There is this impulse that we have, this very clearly documented impulse that people everywhere have, to help. It sounds tacky, but when the bottom drops out, when ordinary life is overturned and there’s this upheaval or this disruption—if it’s a natural disaster or even something like this, that there’s ... in the book I call it a ‘civic immune response.’ People do spontaneously help each other, they work together, they collaborate. This whole idea that society falls apart and everyone descends into madness and violence is just not true. And we know that. We have science that shows it.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @jmooallem jonmooallem.com Mooallem on Longform Longform Podcast #74: Jon Mooallem [08:29] This Is Chance!: The Shaking of an All-American City, A Voice That Held It Together (Random House • 2020) [11:26] "The Senseless Logic of the Wild" (New York Times Magazine • March 2019) [11:32] "Neanderthals Were People, Too" (New York Times Magazine • Jan 2017) [11:35] "We Have Fire Everywhere" (New York Times Magazine • July 2019) [34:45] Wild Ones: A Sometimes Dismaying, Weirdly Reassuring Story About Looking at People Looking at Animals in America (Penguin • 2013) [34:58] Black Prairie's soundtrack album to Wild Ones [35:39] "Wild Ones Live" (99% Invisible • Oct 2013) [36:47] "Death, Redesigned" (California Sunday • April 2015) [37:46] "One Man’s Quest to Change the Way We Die" (New York Times Magazine • Jan 2017) [44:10] Our Town: A Play in Three Acts (Thornton Wilder • 1938) [53:45] The Walking Podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jad Abumrad is the co-creator and host of Radiolab. His new podcast is Dolly Parton's America. “There’s a way in which, I think, it felt more honest to be more confused in our stories. So that’s where we went.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @JadAbumrad jadabumrad.com [03:27] "Patient Zero" (Radiolab • Nov 2011) [04:34] Dolly Parton's America [17:32] 9 to 5 (1980) [19:00] "Dixie Disappearance" (Dolly Parton's America • Dec 2017) [17:32] "My Tennessee Mountain Home" (1973) [33:10] More Perfect [33:19] "The Architect" (More Perfect • Dec 2017) [36:12] Democracy in America (Alexis de Tocqueville • 1835) [40:05] "Where Does the Term Redneck Come From?" (Slate • Dec 2019) [40:58] "Race" (Radiolab • Dec 2008) [42:10] "Yellow Rain" (Radiolab • Sep 2012) [1:05:47] "Playing God" (Radiolab • Aug 2016) [1:06:21] "Words" (Radiolab • Aug 2010) [1:07:31] "Musical Language" (Radiolab • Sep 2007) [1:08:07] "Lucy" (Radiolab • Feb 2010) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mara Hvistendahl is a freelance reporter and was a Pulitzer Prize finalist for her first book, Unnatural Selection. Her new book is The Scientist and the Spy: A True Story of China, the FBI, and Industrial Espionage. “In times of tension, Cold War historians believe that there’s this mirroring that goes on, that we start to behave like the enemy, and that that is the big risk. And I feel like that’s the moment we’re in now.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @MaraHvistendahl marahvistendahl.com Hvistendahl on Longform The Scientist and the Spy excerpt [00:45] The Scientist and the Spy: A True Story of China, the FBI, and Industrial Espionage (Mara Hvistendahl • Riverhead • 2020) [04:20] "Some People Just Smell Like Republicans" (Village Voice • Sep 2004) [09:36] "Rich Pickings" (Financial Times • Nov 2007) [10:42] Hvistendahl's archive at Science [15:20] "Half the Sky: How China’s Gender Imbalance Threatens Its Future" (Virginia Quarterly Review • Fall 2008) [15:20] "Can AI Escape Our Control and Destroy Us?" (Popular Science • May 2019) [16:42] "Meet the Flat-Earthers of the Modern Era" (Popular Science • Oct 2019) [16:44] "Inside China's Vast New Experiment in Social Ranking" (Wired • Dec 2017) [22:33] "The FBI’s China Obsession" (The Intercept • Feb 2020) [25:37] North by Northwest (1959) [30:20] "Some True Information is Impossible to Censor" (Matter • Oct 2014) [41:12] "‘If You Want to Kill Someone, We Are the Right Guys’" (Wired • April 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hannah Dreier is a reporter at The Washington Post and the winner of the 2019 Pulitzer Prize for Feature Writing. “You can’t come up with a good story idea in the office. I’ve never had a good idea that I just came up with out of thin air. It always comes from being on the ground.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @hannahdreier hannahdreier.com Dreier on Longform [01:49] "Former MS-13 Member Who Secretly Helped Police is Deported" (ProPublica • Jan 2019) [02:05] "Trust and Consequences" (Washington Post • Jan 2020) [02:33] Dreier's archive at New York [02:35] Dreier on This American Life [02:37] "How a Crackdown on MS-13 Caught Up Innocent High School Students" (New York Times Magazine • Dec 2019) [07:52] "A Child's Scraped Knee a Life or Death Matter in Venezuela" (Associated Press • Oct 2016) [08:50] "Life on the Line in Venezuela as Economic Crisis Worsens" (Associated Press • July 2016) [15:55] "Venezuela's Newest Shortage: Breast Implants" (Hartford Courant • Sep 2014) [17:52] "No Food, No Teachers, Violence in Failing Venezuela Schools" (Hartford Courant • Jun 2016) [30:29] "How a Crackdown on MS-13 Caught Up Innocent High School Students" (New York Times Magazine • Jan 2019) [30:34] "The Disappeared" (ProPublica • Sep 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ronan Farrow is a Pulitzer-winning investigative reporter for The New Yorker. He is the author of Catch and Kill: Lies, Spies, and a Conspiracy to Protect Predators and hosts The Catch and Kill Podcast. “It was the opposite of anything I would’ve expected, breaking a story like that. It wasn’t a moment of celebration. I was immensely relieved, and immensely grateful for the sources … and I was so grateful for those people at the New Yorker who had worked so hard. But it was a strange, numb time for me that ended, at the end of that day, with me bursting into tears.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @RonanFarrow Farrow's archive at The New Yorker The Catch and Kill Podcast [09:24] "How an Élite University Research Center Concealed its Relationship with Jeffrey Epstein" (New Yorker • Sep 2019) [09:56] "Les Moonves and CBS Face Allegations of Sexual Misconduct" (New Yorker • Jul 2018) [10:20] "From Aggressive Overtures to Sexual Assault: Harvey Weinstein's Accusers Tell Their Stories" (New Yorker • Oct 2017) [10:52] Ronan Farrow Daily on MSNBC [11:45] War on Peace: The End of Diplomacy and the Decline of American Influence (Ronan Farrow • W.W. Norton • 2018) [27:50] "My Oh Miley!" (W Magazine • Feb 2014) [32:53] Catch and Kill: Lies, Spies, and a Conspiracy to Protect Predators (Little, Brown • 2019) [33:18] "My Father, Woody Allen, and the Danger of Questions Unasked" (Hollywood Reporter • May 2016) [47:22] Farrow's interview on The Rachel Maddow Show (MSNBC • Oct 2017) [51:44] "The Black Cube Chronicles, Part I: The Private Investigators" (New Yorker • Oct 2019) [51:59] "Four Women Accuse New York's Attorney General of Physical Abuse" (New Yorker • May 2018) [52:40] "Donald Trump, a Playboy Model, and a System For Concealing Infidelity" (New Yorker • Feb 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joshua Yaffa is a Moscow correspondent for The New Yorker. His first book is Between Two Fires: Truth, Ambition, and Compromise in Putin's Russia. “Especially in a place like Russia, where there’s a lot of sensitivity around what people might tell you—when they do open up to you, there’s a lot of trust there. And you better not abuse it or mishandle it, because you could put people in danger. Just being a decent person, and demonstrating that decency, goes a long way.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @yaffaesque joshuayaffa.com [19:45] "The Search for Petr Khokhlov" (New York Times Magazine • Jan 2015) [22:45] Longform Podcast #339: Michael Lewis [26:15] "Ukraine's Unlikely President, Promising New Style of Politics, Gets a Tase of Trump's Swamp" (New Yorker • Oct 2019) [30:15] "The Double Sting" (New Yorker • Jul 2015) [37:45] "Russia's House of Shadows" (New Yorker • Oct 2017) [37:45] "A Village Doctor's Literary Calling" (New Yorker • May 2019) [38:00] Citizen K (Alex Gibney) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ashley C. Ford is a writer and podcast host. Her memoir, Somebody's Daughter, is forthcoming from Flatiron Books. “For the first time I felt like I had so many more choices in my life than I originally thought I had. That was my first realization that I did not just have to react to the world, that I could be intentional in the world, and just curious about what came back to me.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @iSmashFizzle ashleycford.net Fortune Favors the Bold [5:00] "Roger Loves Chaz" (Roger Ebert • Sep 2012) [11:34] The Giver (Lois Lowry • Houghton Mifflin • 1993) [17:47] Ford's commencement speech at Ball State [26:09] Ford's archive at Buzzfeed [41:00] "Ashley C. Ford’s Debut Memoir ‘Somebody’s Daughter’ Finds Home at Flatiron" (Paperback Paris • 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Andrea Bernstein is a journalist and co-host of Trump, Inc., a podcast from WNYC and ProPublica. Her new book is American Oligarchs: The Kushners, the Trumps, and the Marriage of Money and Power. “Hope is an action. And I feel that writing and documenting is an action. When I stop doing those things, I will be hopeless. But because I am still doing those things, it means that I still have hope… so long as we continue to be actors in the world, we can be hopeful human beings.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @AndreaWNYC Trump, Inc. Bernstein's archive at ProPublica [04:07] Ilya Marritz on the "Nine Pillars of Bernstein" [11:12] Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference in the 2016 Presidential Election [pdf] [11:47] The Trump Card: Playing to Win in Work and Life (Ivanka Trump • Simon & Schuster • 2009) [14:31] American Oligarchs: The Kushners, the Trumps, and the Marriage of Money and Power (W.W. Norton • 2020) [19:09] City for Sale: Ed Koch and the Betrayal of New York (Jack Newfield, Wayne Barrett • HarperCollins • 1988) [34:28] The Origins of Totalitarianism (Hannah Arendt • Shocken • 1951) [35:06] “Truth and Politics” (Hannah Arendt • New Yorker • 1967) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kevin Kelly is a writer and a founding executive editor of Wired Magazine. He is the author of What Technology Wants, Out of Control and The Inevitable: Understanding the Twelve Technological Forces That Will Shape Our Future. “I always try to write about the future—and it became harder and harder because things would catch up so fast. If you read Out of Control now, I’ve heard that people say, ‘well, this is obvious.’ I have to tell you, it was dismissed as entirely pie-in-the-sky, wild-eyed craziness twenty-five years ago.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. kk.org @kevin2kelly [08:54] CoEvolution Quarterly [09:06] “Low-Rent Himalayas” (CoEvolution Quarterly • 1981) [pdf] [18:06] “Information as a Communicable Disease” (CoEvolution Quarterly • 1984) [pdf] [22:30] sci-hub.tw [28:28] Cool Tools: A Catalog of Possibilities (Cool Tools Lab • 2013) [31:31] Whole Earth Software Catalog and Review [48:08] Out of Control: The New Biology of Machines, Social Systems, and the Economic World (Basic Books • 1995) [48:19] “New Rules for the New Economy: Twelve Dependable Principles for Thriving in a Turbulent World” (Wired • 1997) [48:23] New Rules for the New Economy: Ten Radical Strategies for a Connected World (Penguin • 1999) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Katherine Eban is an investigative journalist and contributing writer at Fortune Magazine. Her new book is Bottle of Lies: The Inside Story of the Generic Drug Boom. “I am not known for my optimism. I think it’s hard to do this work and retain a sunny view of humankind. I hate to say that. On the other hand, I do believe there will always be whistleblowers. And it’s interesting to me that even in the darkest spaces, even when it looks like everything is arrayed against them, there are people who will say: ‘This just isn’t right, and I must do something.’ Which is kind of extraordinary.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. katherineeban.com @KatherineEban [08:00] “Bellevue's Emergency” (New York Times Magazine • 1996) [08:42] “Corrections Officials See Medical Neglect of Rikers Prisoners” (Observer • 1998) [08:44] “Complaints Prompt Scrutiny of St. Barnabas Hospital” (Observer • 1998) [12:04] Bottle of Lies: The Inside Story of the Generic Drug Boom (Ecco • 2019) [12:28] “Rorschach and Awe” (Vanity Fair • 2007) [19:23] The Report (2019) [21:25] Dangerous Doses: A True Story of Cops, Counterfeiters, and the Contamination of America’s Drug Supply (Ecco • 2019) [25:18] “Pharmacy Fakes” (Self • 2006) [41:28] “Dirty Medicine” (Fortune • 2013) [43:10] “Centre Mulling Action to Counter US Journalist's Allegations About Indian Pharma” (The Wire • 2020) [45:24] “The Truth About the Fast and Furious Scandal” (Fortune • 2012) [48:09] Eban's guide to investigating your own drugs [48:15] Eban's FAQs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cord Jefferson is a journalist turned television writer whose credits include Succession, The Good Place, and Watchmen. “I’m a fearful person. I’m afraid of a lot of things. I’m afraid of how people perceive me, I’m afraid of hurting myself, I’m afraid of heights. I’m afraid of a lot. Bravery does not come naturally to me. But the moments when I feel like I’ve done the best in my life and been the proudest of myself are when I’ve overcome that fear to do something that scares me.” Thanks to Mailchimp, Pitt Writers, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. @cordjefferson cordjefferson.tumblr.com Longform Podcast #61: Cord Jefferson Jefferson on Longform [01:55] “Video of Violent, Rioting Surfers Shows White Culture of Lawlessness” (Gawker • 2013) [02:02] “Cord Jefferson, Chris Hayes Ask What White Community Will Do About ‘White Criminal Culture’ (VIDEO)” (HuffPost • 2013) [10:05] “Manti Te'o's Dead Girlfriend, The Most Heartbreaking And Inspirational Story Of The College Football Season, Is A Hoax” (Deadspin • 2013) [22:58] The Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore (2015-2016) [29:50] Master of None [29:55] The Good Place [29:57] Watchmen [29:59] Succession [30:05] “Mackenzie Davis & Himesh Patel To Star In ‘Station Eleven’ HBO Max Limited Series” (Deadline • 2019) [59:31] “Don't Stop Running: A Case for Trying” (The Awl • 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jerry Saltz is a Pulitzer-winning art critic for New York. “To this day I wake up early and I have to get to my desk to write almost immediately. I mean fast. Before the demons get me. I got to get writing. And once I’ve written almost anything, I’ll pretty much write all day, I don’t leave my desk, I have no other life. I’m not part of the world except when I go to see shows.” Thanks to MailChimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @jerrysaltz Saltz on Instagram Saltz on Longform Saltz's archive at New York Magazine Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Liana Finck, a cartoonist and illustrator, contributes to The New Yorker and is the author of Excuse Me and Passing for Human. "I was drawing since I was 10 months old. My mom had left this vibrant community of architects and art people to live in this idyllic country setting with my dad, and she poured all of her art feelings into me. She really praised me for being this baby genius, which I may or may not have been. But I grew up thinking I was an amazing artist. There weren’t any other artists around besides my mom, so I didn’t have anything to compare it to. There were no art classes around. … I was so shy, so I was just always drawing and making things." Thanks to MailChimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @lianafinck Finck's archive at The New Yorker Finck on Instagram Passing for Human: A Graphic Memoir (Random House • 2018) Excuse Me: Cartoons, Complaints, and Notes to Self (Random House • 2019) [10:00] "What I Miss: A List" (Catapult • Apr 2018) [40:00] Very Semi-Serious (The New Yorker • 2015) [50:00] "Dear Pepper: Airport Pickups, Where to Live, and Departed Dogs" (The New Yorker • Aug 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mina Kimes is a senior writer at ESPN and the host of the podcast ESPN Daily. “What I’ve found, and this is something I did not know would be the case going into it, is that sports stories—and, at the risk of sounding a bit self-important, maybe someone like me writing sports stories or talking about it in particular—can have an impact in other ways that have revealed themselves to me over time.” Thanks to Mailchimp, Pitt Writers, and Native Deodorant for sponsoring this week's episode. @minakimes minakimes.tumblr.com Kimes on Longform Longform Podcast #12: Mina Kimes ESPN Daily Podcast [05:37] “Me, My Father, and Russell Wilson: Why This Seahawks Season Makes Me Unspeakably Happy” (Slate • 2014) [10:46] “Aly Raisman Takes the Floor” (ESPN • 2018) [10:55] “Drew Brees Has a Dream He'd Like to Sell You” (ESPN • 2016) [12:11] ESPN's Around the Horn [12:12] ESPN's Highly Questionable [20:48] “How Darrelle Revis Became the NFL's Savviest Negotiator” (ESPN • 2015) [24:18] “The Unkillable Demon King” (ESPN • 2015) [26:23] “The Art of Letting Go” (ESPN • 2016) [27:31] “The Unbreakable Bond” (ESPN • 2016) [34:09] “The Work Diary of ESPN's Mina Kimes (and Her Dog, Lenny)” (The New York Times • 2019) [34:32] ESPN Daily [35:26] The Mina Kimes Show Featuring Lenny [36:52] “Baker Mayfield Isn't Afraid of the Hype” (ESPN • 2019) [39:16] “After a Decade Apart, Antonio Brown and T.Y. Hilton Share an Unlikely Bond” (ESPN • 2015) [39:41] “The Search for Aaron Rodgers” (ESPN • 2017) [49:35] “Everything You Need To Know About the Ray Rice Case” (Time • 2014) [49:35] “ ESPN's Mina Kimes Will Be Preseason Analyst for the Los Angeles Rams” (Sports Illustrated • 2019) [56:33] Michael Barbaro on Longform Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Andy Greenberg is a senior writer for Wired. His new book is Sandworm. “I kind of knew I was never going to get access to Sandworm, which is the title of the book - so it was all about drawing a picture around this invisible monster.” Thanks to Mailchimp, Pitt Writers, and Family Ghosts for sponsoring this week's episode. @a_greenberg Greenberg's archive at Wired [03:22] Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers (Doubleday • 2019) [06:21] Dune (Chilton Books • 1965) [07:03] “How an Entire Nation Became Russia's Test Lab for Cyberwar” (Wired • 2017) [33:50]Greenberg's archive at Forbes [37:09]“Is Bitcoin's Creator this Unknown Australian Genius? Probably Not (Updated)” (Wired • 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Parul Sehgal is a book critic for The New York Times. “I write about books, I review books, but in a sense, to do my job at a newspaper also puts that pressure on a piece to say: why should you read or care about this? You’re trying to tweeze out what is newsworthy, what is interesting, what is vital about this book….My job is I think to be honest with the reader and to keep surfacing new ways for me and for other people to think about books. New vocabularies of pleasure and disgust.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. parulsehgal.com @parul_sehgal Sehgal's archive at the New York Times [17:11] “Mothers of Invention: A Group of Authors Finds New Narrative Possibilities in Parenthood” (Bookforum • 2015) [17:20] “In Letters to the World, a New Wave of Memoirs Draws on the Intimate” (New York Times • 2019) [17:33] “#MeToo Is All Too Real. But to Better Understand it, Turn to Fiction.” (New York Times • 2019) [24:18] Longform Podcast #354: Jia Tolentino [41:39] “Peter Luger Used to Sizzle. Now It Sputters.” (New York Times • 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

James Verini is a contributing writer at The New York Times Magazine and National Geographic. His new book is They Will Have to Die Now: Mosul and the Fall of the Caliphate. “War is mostly down time. War is mostly waiting around for something to happen.” Thanks to Mailchimp, Pitt Writers, and "Couples Therapy" for sponsoring this week's episode. jamesverini.com Verini's archive on Longform Longform Podcast #147: James Verini [4:19] They Will Have to Die Now: Mosul and the Fall of the Caliphate (W.W. Norton • 2019) [12:12] “The Prosecutor and the President” (The New York Times Magazine • 2016) [37:11] Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lori Gottlieb is a contributing writer at The Atlantic and the author of Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough. Her new book is Maybe You Should Talk to Someone. “Everything that I had done all coalesced into one thing. As a journalist i was helping people to tell their stories, as a therapist I could help people to edit their stories, to change their stories. I could be immersed in the human condition in both of these things.” Thanks to Mailchimp, Pitt Writers, Native, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. @LoriGottlieb1 lorigottlieb.com Gottlieb's archive at The Atlantic [2:57] Maybe You Should Talk to Someone: A Therapist, HER Therapist, and Our Lives Revealed (Houghton Mifflin • 2019) [03:53] Lori Gottlieb's TED Talk: “How Changing Your Story Can Change Your Life”(2019) [9:46] “Slate Diary: Lori Gottlieb” (Slate • 1998) [11:35] “Marry Him! The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough” (The Atlantic • 2008) [11:36] Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough (E.P. Dutton • 2010) [15:51] Modern Romance (Aziz Ansari • Penguin • 2015) [19:44] “How to Land Your Kid in Therapy: Why the Obsession with our Kids’ Happiness May be Dooming them to Unhappy Adulthoods” (The Atlantic • 2011) [25:38] "Dear Therapist" column archive at The Atlantic [40:39] Couples Therapy (2019) [54:34] Guy Winch's TEDTalk: “Why We All Need to Practice Emotional First Aid”(2014) [55:08] “ABC Nabs ‘Maybe You Should Talk To Someone’ Therapist Drama From Maggie Friedman & Eva Longoria Based On Book” (Deadline • 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Leslie Jamison is the author of The Empathy Exams, The Recovering, and the novel The Gin Closet. Her new essay collection is Make It Scream, Make It Burn. “My writing is always basically asking: what does it feel like to be alive, and how do we ever try to understand what it feels like for anybody else to be alive? In that sense, on the intellectual level, I’m always going to keep chasing the same unanswerable things.” Thanks to Mailchimp, Pitt Writers, Mythology for sponsoring this week's episode. Apply to the University of Pittsburgh's Writing Program @lsjamison lesliejamison.com Jamison on Longform Longform Podcast #92: Leslie Jamison [05:19] ”52 Blue”(Atavist • 2014) [16:17] “In the Shadow of a Fairy Tale” (New York Times Magazine • 2017) [32:20] “A24 is Making Limited-Edition Books for Ex Machina, The Witch, and Moonlight”(The Verge • 2019) [33:33] The Empathy Exams (Graywolf Press • 2014) [33:54] The Recovering: Intoxication and Its Aftermath (Little, Brown • 2018) [51:46] “Giving Up the Ghost” (Harper's • 2015) [54:08] “Sim Life” (The Atlantic • 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Errol Morris is the director of The Thin Blue Line and The Fog of War. His latest film is American Dharma. “I don’t make films because it makes sense to make them. Probably if I thought carefully about whether they made sense, I would stop immediately. I make them because I have a need to do it. I have a need to think about stuff. Writing and filmmaking for me is a form of thinking. It’s an opportunity to think about something. And I enjoy it. I don’t know what I would do without filmmaking.” Thanks to Mailchimp, Pitt Writers and SAIC. @errolmorris errolmorris.com [05:37] American Dharma (2019) [11:30] The Fog of War (2003) [11:43] Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred. A Leutcher, Jr. (1999) [19:55] The Unknown Known (2013) [20:49] Twelve O'Clock High (1949) [23:31] The Searchers (1956) [37:38] The Thin Blue Line (1988) [38:13] Fast, Cheap & Out of Control (1997) [39:46] Devil's Bargain: Steve Bannon, Donald Trump, and the Nationalist Uprising (Penguin • 2017) [39:56] Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House (Henry Holt and Co. • 2018) [41:59] “Predilections” (New Yorker • 1988) [42:03] “The Friendly Executioner” (New Yorker • 1999) [44:01] Gates of Heaven (1978) [41:59] “Blood Spore” (Harper's • 2013) [46:24] Hamilton's Pharmacopeia Docuseries (Viceland • 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ashley Feinberg is a senior writer at Slate. She recently uncovered Mitt Romney's secret Twitter account. “The whole thing about politics is that they are basically creating this character, this mask, and that is who they are supposed to be. That is who they try to project to the world. We know that it’s not really them but we have no access to what they actually are. This is the closest we get to seeing what they’re doing when they think no one is watching. … This is the most unfiltered access to what they’re actually thinking.” @ashleyfeinberg ashleyfeinberg.com Feinberg's archive at Slate [03:55] “This Sure Looks Like Mitt Romney’s Secret Twitter Account (Update: It Is)” (Slate • 2019) [04:50] “The Liberation of Mitt Romney” (The Atlantic • 2019) [10:03] “This Is Almost Certainly James Comey's Twitter Account” (Gizmodo • 2017) [10:19] “'Let Justice Roll Down Like Waters.' James Comey Is Trolling Trump With Bible Verse” (Time • 2017) [13:24] “That Idiot on Your Hunting Message Board Might Be Donald Trump Jr.” (Deadspin • 2016) [34:22] “This Appears to Be Eric Trump's YouTube Playlist, And Now I'm Depressed” (Slate • 2019) [35:54] “Jack Dorsey Has No Clue What He Wants” (Huffington Post • 2019) [43:51] “Paying Dues: Today's Economy Makes Internships a Must” (San Antonio Current • 2011) [47:33] “Toys For Tight Schedules” (Wall Street Journal • 2013) [47:44] “Monopoly is Getting Rid of Jail. That's Some Bullshit.” (Gizmodo • 2013) [55:32] “Gawker and Hulk Hogan Reach $31 Million Settlement” (New York Times • 2016) [57:44] “How to Talk About Suicide on Father's Day” (Gawker • 2015) [57:44] “My Suicide Week” (Huffington Post • 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Carvell Wallace is a podcast host and has written for The New Yorker and The New York Times Magazine. He is the co-author, with Andre Iguodala, of The Sixth Man. “So much of my life experience coalesces into things that are useful… All those years that I was obsessing over this that or the other thing, all the weird stuff that I would do, all the weird things that happened to me, all the places I found myself in that I didn’t want to be in but were interesting - this is all part of what makes me the writer that I am today.” Thanks to Mailchimp, Pitt Writers, Native, and Villains for sponsoring this week's episode. @carvellwallace carvellwallace.com [02:15] Slate's Mom and Dad are Fighting Podcast [02:21] Season One of Closer Than They Appear Podcast [02:35] The Sixth Man: A Memoir (Blue Rider Press • 2019) [05:09] Episode One of Finding Fred [09:17] Are You There, God? It's Me, Margaret (Bradbury Press • 1970) [09:35] Purple Rain (1984) [09:40] The Karate Kid (Scholastic • 1984) [10:24] “The Two Lives of Michael Jackson” (New Yorker • 2015) [27:55] “How to Parent on a Night Like This” (Huffington Post • 2014) [32:24] Wallace's Pitchfork archive [32:30] “On Kendrick Lamar and Black Humanity” (Pitchfork • 2015) [34:11] “Thelonious Monk: So Plain Only the Deaf Can Hear” (Pitchfork • 2016) [38:00] Wallace's MTV archive [40:09] “The Roots of Cowboy Music” (MTV • 2017) [46:01] “The Negro Motorist Green Book and Black America's Perpetual Search for a Home” (The Toast • 2016) [50:28] “Mahershala Ali Thinks We Can Still Make this Country Great” (GQ • 2017) [50:29] “Samuel L. Jackson Operates Like He Owns the Place. (He Does.)” (Esquire • 2019) [50:57] “Steph Curry and the Warriors' Astonishing Season” (New Yorker • 2016) [55:36] “The Spirit of Miles Bridges” (ESPN • 2017) [1:02:07] Why Me? (Closer Than They Appear • 2017) [1:04:54] Working (Pantheon • 1974) [1:06:36] “How Do We Measure the Value of a Life?” (MTV • 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nicholas Quah founded and writes Hot Pod, a newsletter about the podcasting industry, and reviews podcasts for Vulture. “I think to some extent I’m in love with the concept of momentum. Sheer velocity. It’s painful. It’s punishing. Physically, I’m worse off for it. But I feel like if I stop moving, something will fall. Something will break. And I’m over. It’s a horrible feeling.” Thanks to Mailchimp, Pitt Writers, Audm, and Bayer for sponsoring this week's episode. @nwquah nicholasquah.com hotpodnews.com Quah's archive at Vulture [13:51] Business Insider Intelligence [17:26] Season One of Serial Podcast [17:26] Longform Podcast #327: Julie Snyder [30:56] Megaphone (formerly Panoply Media) [52:30] New York Post's We Hear Podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Radhika Jones is the editor-in-chief of Vanity Fair and the editor of Women on Women. “There are a lot of people who still see the value of talking to someone, having a real conversation — about the things that they’re doing, the things that they’re caring about, the things that they’re afraid of, the things that are challenging — because in that conversation, they themselves will discover things that they didn’t realize. It obviously takes courage. It’s a payoff for the reader, certainly, but I think that there are subjects who understand that there is something there for them, too.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @radhikajones [03:28] Vanity Fair's New Establishment Summit [08:45] “The Beautiful Power of Ta-Nehisi Coates” (Vanity Fair • 2019) [11:42] “Delta Nights” (New Yorker • 2000) [31:05] “Jonathan Franzen: Great American Novelist” (TIME • 2010) [39:50] George Magazine [40:37] Dominick Dunne's Vanity Fair archive [41:15] “The Often Perilous, Sometimes Lucrative, and Ever-Evolving Business of Being a YouTube Star in 2019” (Vanity Fair • 2019) [41:53] Vanity Fair's Women on Women (Penguin Press • 2019) [54:56] “Inside TheMaven's Plan To Turn Sports Illustrated Into A Rickety Content Mill” (Deadspin • 2019) [1:00:00] “You Won't Believe What Happened: The Wild, Disturbing Saga of Robert Kraft's Visit to a Strip Mall Sex Spa” (Vanity Fair • 2019) [1:00:45] “To Cheat and Lie in L.A.: How the College-Admissions Scandal Ensnared the Richest Families in Southern California” (Vanity Fair • 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Andrew Marantz is a staff writer at The New Yorker. His new book is Antisocial: Online Extremists, Techno-Utopians, and the Hijacking of the American Conversation. “Some nonfiction can be reduced to a bulletpoint primer, but a good book is a good book. Whether it’s fiction or nonfiction, it should create a feeling, it should create a world, it should be a feeling that you want to live in and that tilts the way you see things. Isn’t that the point?” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @andrewmarantz andrewmarantz.com Marantz on Longform [01:34] Antisocial (Random House • 2019) [03:13] Marantz's Tour Schedule [11:54] Longform Podcast #193: Robin Marantz Henig [18:58] “A Rising Tide”(Harper's • 2011) [19:00] “My Summer at an Indian Call Center”(Mother Jones • 2011) [27:20] “How Silicon Valley Nails Silicon Valley”(New Yorker • 2016) [27:58] “Ready for Prime Time”(New Yorker • 2016) [28:03] “The Virologist”(New Yorker • 2014) [39:31] “Trolls For Trump”(New Yorker • 2016) [40:22] “A Voice of Hate in America's Heartland”(New York Times • 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ken Burns is a documentary filmmaker whose work includes The Vietnam War, Baseball, and The Central Park Five. His new series is Country Music. “History, which seems to most people safe — it isn’t. I think the future is pretty safe, it’s the past that’s so terrifying and malleable.” Thanks to Mailchimp, Vistaprint, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @KenBurns kenburns.com [01:08] The Vietnam War (2017) [01:12] Country Music (2019) [04:58] Salesman (1969) [09:04] Jazz (2001) [13:45] The Civil War (1990) [13:48] Baseball (1994) [13:55] The War (miniseries • 2007) [13:57] The National Parks (2009) [14:00] The Roosevelts (2014) [44:49] Odd Man Out (1947) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ta-Nehisi Coates is the author of The Beautiful Struggle, We Were Eight Years in Power, and Between the World and Me. His new novel is The Water Dancer. Chris Jackson is Coates's editor, and the publisher and editor-in-chief of One World. “I don’t think an essay works unless I can pin a story to it. You don’t want people to just say, ‘Oh that was a cool argument.’ You want people to say, ‘I could not stop thinking about this.’ You want them to nudge their wives and husbands and say, ‘You have to read this.’ You want them to be bothered by it.” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, Vistaprint, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @cjaxone ta-nehisicoates.com cjaxone.tumblr.com Coates on Longform Coates's first appearance on the Longform Podcast [02:00] The Water Dancer: A Novel (One World • 2019) [02:45] Coates’s Tour Schedule [04:30] Jackson's Email [06:45] The Beautiful Struggle: A Memoir (Spiegel & Grau • 2009) [12:58] ”Why Do So Few Blacks Study the Civil War”(The Atlantic • 2011) [14:00] Between the World and Me (Spiegel & Grau • 2015) [20:23] The Secret History (Donna Tartt • Alfred A Knopf • 1992) [20:30] The Remains of the Day (Kazuo Ishiguro • Faber and Faber • 1990) [20:40] Billy Bathgate: A Novel (E.L. Doctorow • Random House • 1989) [28:10] Underground Railroad (William Still • 1872) [32:45] The Personal Memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant (Ulysses Grant • 1885) [35:20] ”The Case for Reparations”(The Atlantic • 2014) [37:05] Coates's archive at The Atlantic [37:10] We Were Eight Years in Power: An American Tragedy (One World • 2017) [45:15] Captain in America Vol. 1: Winter in America (Marvel • 2019) [54:00] Coates Testifies Before Congress (2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Paul Tough is a contributing writer to the New York Times Magazine and the author of The Years That Matter Most: How College Makes or Breaks Us. “The nice thing about a book as opposed to a magazine article is that it’s less formulaic. As a writer, it gives you more freedom — you’re trying to create an emotional mood where ideas have a place to sit in a person’s brain. And when people are moved by a book, it’s not by being told, ‘Here’s the problem, here’s the answer, now go do it.’ It’s by having your vision of the world slightly changed.” Thanks to MailChimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. [03:25] The Years That Matter Most: How College Makes or Breaks Us (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt • 2019) [04:00] “Terminal Delinquents”(Esquire • 1990) [04:50] Tough’s Harper’s archive [05:50] 2600: The Hacker Quarterly [09:00] Longform Podcast #104: Lewis Lapham [10:30] “The Alchemy of OxyContin” (New York Times Magazine • 2001) [11:40] Tough’s New York Times Magazine archive [16:15] “The Harlem Project” (New York Times Magazine • 2004) [16:20] Whatever It Takes: Geoffrey Canada’s Quest to Change Harlem and America (Mariner Books • 2009) [17:15] Open Letters [26:00] Longform Podcast #347: Michael Pollan [45:20] Helping Children Succeed: What Works and Why (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt • 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mike Issac covers Silicon Valley for The New York Times. He is the author of Super Pumped: The Battle for Uber. “People try to use journalists all the time. Your job as a journalist is to figure out who’s using you, why they’re using you, and whether you can do something legitimately without playing into one side or another.” Thanks to MailChimp, Pitt Writers, and Wolverine Podcast for sponsoring this week's episode. @MikeIsaac Isaac on Longform [00:14] Wolverine Podcast [02:09] Super Pumped: The Battle for Uber (W. W. Norton & Company • 2019) [02:20] Issac’s New York Times archive [03:57] Issac’s Paste Magazine archive [06:15] Longform Podcast #337: Casey Newton [08:40] Steve Jobs and Walt Mossberg [25:38] “How Uber Deceives the Authorities Worldwide” (New York Times • 2017) [25:44] “Inside Uber’s Aggressive, Unrestrained Workplace Culture” (New York Times • 2017) [25:48] Susan Fowler blog post [31:00] Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup (John Carreyrou • Knopf • 2018) [36:31] Isaac on The Daily Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michelle García has written for The New York Times, The Washington Post and Oxford American. She directed the PBS film, Against Mexico: The Making of Heroes and Enemies. “We have to see that within difficult stories there is a very important message of humanity triumphing over despair. If you don’t focus on joy, humanity is squashed. If all you see and all you narrate is pain, then you extinguish the possibility of joy and the important part of holding onto humanity.” Thanks to MailChimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @pistoleraprod michellegarciainc.com Rally+PEN America event on September 5 [00:42] “Against Mexico: The Making of Heroes and Enemies” (PBS • 2012) [01:04] “The Border and the American Imagination” (The Baffler • 2018) [01:07] “Rewriting the West” (Guernica • 2019) [02:12] The Mastermind: Drugs. Empire. Murder. Betrayal. (Evan Ratliff • Random House • 2019) [02:30] Evan Ratliff on CoinTalk [09:30] “New Tack Against Illegal Immigrants: Trespassing Charges (Michael Powell • Washington Post • 2005) [14:44] “Michelle Has A Polyamourous Relationship With Texas And New York” (KSTX • 2017) [21:05] “On the Texas Borderline, A Solid, if Invisible, Wall” (Washington Post • 2008) [23:16] “The War of Forgetting” (Guernica • 2015) [32:40] García’s AlJazeera America archive [33:55] “Myths of Mexico” (Columbia Journalism Review • 2009) [45:45] “The Year of the Heavy Moon” (Oxford American • 2017) [47:55] “My Name is Alex” (Oxford American • 2017) [48:50] “Mexico’s City of Dogs” (AlJazeera America • 2013) [1:05:45] “Searching for La Perdida” (Oxford American • 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jean-Xavier de Lestrade is a French documentary filmmaker. He directed Murder on a Sunday Morning and The Staircase. “The courtroom in the United States is not really about the truth. It’s more about a story against another story. It’s more about storytelling. The more compelling or believable story by the jury will win. But in the end, we don’t know: is it the truth or not?” Thanks to Mailchimp, Pitt Writers, and We Love You (and So Can You) for sponsoring this week's episode. [00:05] We Love You (And So Can You) [01:00] You Can’t Make This Up [02:16] The Staircase (2004) [02:50] The Staircase II: The Last Chance (2013) [02:53] The Staircase (2018) [05:15] Murder on a Sunday Morning (2001) [05:35] The Justice of the Men (2001) [11:35] Caught in the Acts (Raymond Depardon • 1994) [12:05] Law and Order (Frederick Wiseman • 1969) [12:12] Welfare(Frederick Wiseman • 1975) [12:16] Public Housing (Frederick Wiseman • 1997) [25:23] Making a Murderer (Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos • 2015) [25:25] The Jinx (Andrew Jarecki • 2015) [25:27] The Keepers (Ryan White • 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Taylor Lorenz just announced she is leaving her job covering internet culture for The Atlantic to join The New York Times. “With technology and internet culture, I am more of an optimist than a lot of other people who cover those topics. It’s more ambiguous for me. It's more like, ‘This is the world we live in now and here are the pros and here are the cons. There are a lot of cons, but there are also these pros.’ I like how things shift and change under me. I like to see how things are constantly evolving.” Thanks to MailChimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @taylorlorenz Lorenz on Longform [01:45] Lorenz’s archive at The Atlantic [06:15] "The Shooter’s Manifesto Was Designed to Troll" (The Atlantic • 2019) [06:30] "Instagram Is the Internet’s New Home for Hate" (The Atlantic • 2019) [07:50] "The Real Difference Between Creators and Influencers" (The Atlantic • 2019) [17:15] INSTANT [19:00] The Daily What [21:20] "Where Everyone’s an Influencer" (The Atlantic • 2019) [22:30] "How an App for Gamers Went Viral" (The Atlantic • 2019) [23:50] "The Instagram Aesthetic is Over" (The Atlantic • 2019) [35:55] "How Tea Accounts Are Fueling Influencer Feuds" (The Atlantic • 2019) [36:00] The Shade Room [37:00] "How DramaAlert Became the TMZ of YouTube" (Daily Beast • 2018) [41:00] Lorenz at Mic [46:45] "The Mysterious Disappearance (and Eventual Rebirth) of YouTube Star Issa Twaimz" (New York • 2017) [54:40] "What Is the Momo Challenge?" (E.J Dickson • Rolling Stone • 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jia Tolentino is a staff writer at the New Yorker and the author of the essay collection Trick Mirror: Reflections of Self-Delusion. “I feel a lot of useful guilt solidifying my own advantages at a time when the ground people stand on is being ripped away. And I feel a lot of emotional anxiety about the systems that connect us - about the things that make my life more convenient and make other people’s lives worse. It’s the reality of knowing that ten years from now, when there are millions of more climate refugees, that you’ll be okay. It makes me feel so crazy and lucky and intent on doing something with being alive.” Thanks to MailChimp, Time Sensitive, Substack, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @jiatolentino Tolentino on Longform [01:47] Trick Mirror: Reflections of Self-Delusion (Random House • 2019) [02:15] Jia’s archive at the New Yorker [02:18] Longform Podcast #183: Jia Tolentino [09:08] “The Promise of Vaping and the Rise of Juul” (New Yorker • 2018) [11:31] “Gloria Allred’s Crusade” (New Yorker • 2017) [17:37] “Please, My Wife, She’s Very Online” (New Yorker • 2019) [20:49] “A Chat with Malcolm Brenner, Man Famous for Having Sex with a Dolphin” (Jezebel • 2015) [21:03] “Interview With a Woman Who Recently Had an Abortion at 32 Weeks” (Jezebel • 2016) [26:20] Panel with Tolentino, Nussbaum, Holmes, and Brodesser-Akner [27:50] “The Land of the Large Adult Son” (New Yorker • 2017) [33:22] “Losing Religion and Finding Ecstasy in Houston” (New Yorker • 2019) [36:10] “A Quick Chat With a Guy at Lolla Wearing a 'Rape Your Face' T-Shirt” (Jezebel • 2015) [40:22] “Athleisure, Barre and Kale: The Tyranny of the Ideal Woman” (The Guardian • 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Baxter Holmes is a senior writer for ESPN. He won the James Beard Award for his 2017 article, “The NBA's Secret Addiction.” “If there’s anything I’m really fighting for it’s people’s memory. I love the notion of trying to write a story that sticks with people. And that requires really compelling characters. It requires in-depth reporting — you have to take people on a journey. It needs to be so rich and something they didn’t know. I look for a story that I can tell well enough that it will hold up, that it will earn someone’s memory.” Thanks to Mailchimp, Substack, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @Baxter Holmes on Longform [00:25] "The Threat of Youth Basketball" (ESPN • 2019) [01:00] "The NBA's Secret Addiction" (ESPN • 2017) [01:15] "The Secret Team Dinners That Have Built the Spurs' Dynasty" (ESPN • 2019) [01:20] "Lakers 2.0: The Failed Reboot of the NBA's Crown Jewel" (ESPN • 2019) [03:02] Longform Podcast #226: Terry Gross [30:40] "Inside the Corrosive Workplace Culture of the Dallas Mavericks" (Jon Wertheim and Jessica Luther • Sports Illustrated • 2018) [43:10] Magic Johnson denies allegations on ESPN [44:00] Holmes talks about response to his Lakers piece [44:33] Longform Podcast #112: Don Van Natta Jr. [58:54] "The NBA's Secret Wine Society" (ESPN • 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jenny Odell is a multidisciplinary artist and the author of How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy. “I’ve noticed that the times I’m extra susceptible to being on social media is when I am feeling personally insecure or when I’m dealing with existential dread. That within itself is not part of the attention economy—that’s just a human being having feelings and reacting to things. For me, it’s a question of like, ‘What do I do with that?’ I can either feed it back into the attention economy and actually get more of it back—more anxiety or more existential dread—or I can go in this other direction and spend time alone or with people who care about the same things. Those are places where I can bring my feelings and they won’t destroy me.” Thanks to Mailchimp, Substack, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @the_jennitaur jennyodell.com Jenny Odell on Longform [00:49] How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy (Melville House • 2019) [00:51] ”How To Do Nothing” transcript of keynote talk (Medium • 2017) [01:10] “A Business With No End” (New York Times • 2018) [02:30] Evan Ratliff on Cointalk [02:42] The Mastermind: Drugs. Empire. Murder. Betrayal. (Evan Ratliff • Random House • 2019) [03:18] “There’s No Such Thing As A Free Watch” (Museum of Capitalism • 2017) [05:05] The Bureau of Suspended Objects [16:55] Gordon Hempton’s “Desert Thunder” [29:27] Radical Technologies: The Design of Everyday Life (Adam Greenfield • Verso • 2017) [37:32] Braiding Sweetgrass (Robin Wall Kimmerer • Milkweed Editions • 2015) [39:25] “Notes of a Bioregional Interloper” (SFMOMA • 2017) [53:30] Mark Lombardi’s drawings [56:40] “On How to Grow an Idea” (Creative Independent • 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Josh Levin is the national editor at Slate. He is the host of the podcast Hang Up and Listen and the author of The Queen: The Forgotten Life Behind an American Myth. “I think it’s a strength to make a thing, one that people might have thought was familiar, feel strange. And reminding people —in general, in life—that you don’t really know as much as you think you know. I think that carries over into any kind of storytelling.” Thanks to Mailchimp, Squarespace, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @josh_levin Levin on Longform [01:48] The Queen: The Forgotten Life Behind an American Myth (Little, Brown and Company • 2019) [01:52] “The Welfare Queen” (Slate • 2013) [02:47] The Mastermind: Drugs. Empire. Murder. Betrayal. (Evan Ratliff • Random House • 2019) [03:25] Levin’s Archive at Slate [04:55] Other Magazines Column [05:03] Today’s Papers [07:25] “Little League Bullies” (Slate • 2007) [10:38] Dahlia Lithwick at Slate [12:22] Paul Ford on the Longform Podcast [13:00] Hang Up And Listen [13:17] Slow Burn [14:01] The Queen podcast [14:33] Jet Article on Linda Taylor (Jet • 1974) [pdf] [42:08] ”Dispatches From the R.Kelly Trial” (Slate • 2008) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Taffy Brodesser-Akner is a staff writer at the New York Times and the author of Fleishman Is in Trouble: A Novel. “As a profile writer, the skill I have is getting in the room and staying in the room until someone is like, ‘Why is this bitch still in the room? Get her out of there?’ It’s a journalistic skill that is not a fluffy skill. There are people who are always actively trying to prevent your story, prevent you from seeing it, from seeing the things that would be good to see. There’s a lot of convincing, comforting and listening going on. And there’s a lot of dealing with the fact that somebody in the middle of talking to you can suddenly decide that you are the worst. Those things are very tense and it’s a specific skill that I have that can defray all those things. Or it lets me stay.” Thanks to MailChimp, Netflix, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @taffyakner taffyakner.com Brodesser-Akner on Longform [01:11] Fleishman Is in Trouble: A Novel (Random House • 2019) [02:31] They Will Have to Die Now: Mosul and the Fall of the Caliphate (James Verini • W. W. Norton & Company • 2019) [03:50] Taffy Brodessor-Akner on the Longform Podcast [05:07] “How Goop’s Haters Made Gwyneth Paltrow’s Company Worth $250 Million”(New York Times • 2018) [06:21] Brodesser-Akner's New York Times Archive [06:23] Brodesser-Akner's GQ Archive [07:10] “Taffy Brodesser-Akner Really, Really, Really Wanted to Write This Profile” (Jen Ortiz • Cosmopolitan • 2019) [07:25] “Is Everyone Having Anal Without Me?” (Cosmopolitan • 2015) [12:25] “Bradley Cooper Is Not Really Into This Profile” (New York Times • 2018) [14:55] “Who Controls Childbirth?” (Self • 2010) [15:18] "The Company That Sells Love to America Had a Dark Secret” (New York Times • 2019) [28:50] "Antonio Banderas Doesn’t Think You’ll Remember Him. Not Yet.” (New York Times • 2018) [42:30] "Jonathan Franzen Is Fine With All of It” (New York Times • 2018) [47:39] "Losing It in the Anti-Dieting Age” (New York Times • 2017) [48:00] "Are You Woman Enough For The UFC” (Medium • 2014) [49:20] The Mastermind: Drugs. Empire. Murder. Betrayal. (Evan Ratliff • Random House • 2019) [54:10] "Billy Bob Thornton on Bad Santa 2, Ungrateful Fans, and Why He Won't Direct Anymore” (GQ • 2016) [58:17] Gone Girl (Gilliam Flynn • Broadway Books • 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Renata Adler is a journalist, critic, and novelist. Her nonfiction collection is After the Tall Timber. “Unless you're going to be fairly definite, what's the point of writing?” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. Adler on Longform Adler's New Yorker archive [7:00] I, Libertine (Theodore Sturgeon • Ballantine Books • 1956) [8:00] After Tall Timber: Collected Nonfiction (Ballantine Books • 2015) [9:00] "Letter from Selma" (New Yorker • Apr 1965) [9:00] "Fly Trans-love Airways" (New Yorker • Feb 1967) [15:00] "Letter from Israel" (New Yorker • Jun 1967) [sub req'd] [17:00] "Letter from Biafra" (New Yorker • Oct 1969) [sub req'd] [34:00] Adler's New York Times film reviews archive [47:00] "An American Original: Excerpts from Pat Moynihan's letters" (Steven Weisman • Vanity Fair • Oct 2010) [50:00] "The Perils of Pauline" (The New York Review of Books • Aug 1980) [1:08:00] "Two Trials" (New Yorker • June 1986) [sub req'd] [1:09:00] Reckless Disregard: Westmoreland v. CBS, et al; Sharon v. Time (Knopf • 1986) [1:03:00] Gone: The Last Days of the New Yorker (Simon & Schuster • 1999) [1:10:00] "Decoding the Starr Report" (Vanity Fair • Dec 1998) [1:19:00] Canaries in a Mineshaft: Essay on Politics and Media (St. Martin's Press • 2001) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Alex Mar has written for The Believer, Wired, and New York. She is the author of Witches of America and the director of the documentary American Mystic. “I really do believe that all of us run on some kind of desire for meaning. And if someone is an atheist and they don’t subscribe to an organized system, it doesn’t mean that they don’t crave something. Maybe it’s their job. Or maybe it’s the way that they raise their children with a certain kind of intense focus. Or something else. As humans, we are built to crave meaning, right? For me, that was something that I wanted to explore about myself.” Thanks to MailChimp, On the Media, The TED Interview,and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @alex_mar Mar on Longform [02:20] Witches of America (Sarah Crichton Books • 2016) [02:37] "Are We Ready for Intimacy With Androids?" (Wired • Oct 2017) [10:00] Mar’s Documentary: American Mystic [10:17] ”Satan in Poughkeepsie" (The Believer • 2015) [15:12] No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith (Fawn McKay Brodie • Vintage • 1995) [16:07] Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief (Lawrence Wright • Vintage • 2013) [34:15] Mar’s Rolling Stone archive [39:10] ”Man of the Future" (The Believer • 2013) [55:40] ”Breakdown Palace” (Topic • 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

David Epstein has reported for ProPublica, Sports Illustrated, and This American Life. His new book is Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World. “You can’t just introspect or take a personality quiz and know what you’re good at or interested in. You actually have to try stuff and then reflect on it. That’s how you learn about yourself—otherwise, your insight into yourself is constrained by your roster of experiences.” Thanks to MailChimp, Time Sensitive, Read This Summer, The TED Interview, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @DavidEpstein davidepstein.com Epstein on Longform [02:20] Epstein’s Sports Illustrated archive [02:21] Epstein’s ProPublica Archive [02:26] The Sports Gene: Inside the Science of Extraordinary Athletic Performance (Portfolio • 2014) [02:29] Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World (Riverhead Books • 2019) [03:15] Longform Podcast #282: Jenna Wortham [05:40] Gladwell and Epstein Conversation [07:58] Gladwell and Epstein Return [08:14] Outliers: The Story of Success (Malcolm Gladwell • Back Bay Books • 2011) [08:40] The Talent Code: Greatness Isn’t Born. It’s Grown. Here’s How. (Daniel Coyle • Bantam • 2009) [10:51] Bounce: The Myth of Talent and the Power of Practice (Matthew Syed • Fourth Estate • 2010) [12:10] NPR review of Range [16:10] The Mastermind: Drugs. Empire. Murder. Betrayal (Evan Ratliff • Random House • 2019) [28:21] Drunk Tank Pink: And Other Unexpected Forces That Shape How We Think, Feel, and Behave (Adam Alter • Penguin Books • 2014) [28:31] Irresistible: The Rise of Addictive Technology and the Business of Keeping Us Hooked (Adam Alter • Penguin Press • 2017) [32:02] Epstein’s Science Research Project Abstract [33:33] Epstein’s Daily News archive [38:47] "Birds and Frogs" (Freeman Dyson • American Mathematical Society • 2009) [pdf] [42:11] "Bright Future" (Sports Illustrated • 2007) [45:29] Working Identity: Unconventional Strategies for Reinventing Your Career (Herminia Ibarra • Harvard Business School Press • 2004) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michael Pollan writes for The New York Times Magazine and The New Yorker and is the author of nine books. His latest is How to Change Your Mind: What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence. “I don’t like writing as an expert. I’m fine doing public speeches as an expert. Or writing op-ed pieces as an expert. But as a writer, it’s a killer. Nobody likes an expert. Nobody likes to be lectured at. And if you’ve read anything I’ve written, I’m kind of an idiot on page one. I am the naïve fish out of water. I’m learning though. The narrative that we always have as writers is our own education on the topic. We can recreate the process of learning that's behind the book.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @michaelpollan michaelpollan.com Pollan on Longform [00:38] How to Change Your Mind (Penguin Press • 2018) [00:46] Pollan's Harper’s archive [02:58] ”The Trip Treatment” (New Yorker • 2015) [03:30] The Omnivore’s Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals (Penguin Press • 2007) [03:31] A Place of My Own: The Architecture of Daydreams (Penguin Press • 1997) [03:35] Cooked: A Natural History of Transformation (Penguin Press • 2014) [04:35] Paper Lion (George Plimpton • Harper • 1966) [06:18] "Power Steer” (New York Times • Oct 2002) [06:58] National Lampoon's 1973 cover [09:12] ”Gardening Means War” (New York Times • 1988) [16:06] Second Nature: A Gardener’s Education (Grove Press; Reprint Edition • 2003) [16:15] The End of Nature (Bill McKibben • Random House • 1989) [16:06] The Botany of Desire: A Plant’s-Eye View of the World (Random House • 2002) [28:53] "Town-Building is No Mickey Mouse Operation” (New York Times • 1997) [31:34] "Some of My Best Friends Are Germs” (New York Times • 2013) [31:50] "The Intelligent Plant” (New Yorker • 2013) [32:09] The Overstory: A Novel (Richard Powers • W.W Norton & Company • 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Casey Cep has written for The New Yorker, The New York Times, and The New Republic. She is the author of Furious Hours: Murder, Fraud, and the Last Trial of Harper Lee. “I want to meet all of these expectations. I want my book to be a page-turner. I want it to be a beautiful literary object. I want it to sell. I want it to do all of these things. But at the end of the day, I just want to feel like I’ve honored this commitment between writer and reader, and writer and source. And those are sometimes in conflict.” Thanks to Mailchimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @cncep Cep on Longform [00:07] Furious Hours: Murder, Fraud, and the Last Trial of Harper Lee (Knopf • 2019) [09:51] The Devil in the White City: Murder, Magic, and Madness at the Fair That Changed America (Erik Larson • Vintage • 2004) [10:39] The Lost City of Z: A Tale of Deadly Obsession in the Amazon (David Grann • Vintage Books • 2010) [14:30] The Book of Lost Books: An Incomplete History of All the Great Book You’ll Never Read (Stuart Kelly • Random House • 2006) [16:50] Go Set a Watchman (Harper Lee • HarperCollins • 2015) [17:08] Calpurnia’s Cookbook (Monroe County Heritage Museums • 2000) [20:08] To Kill a Mockingbird (Harper Lee • Grand Central Publishing • 1988) [22:30] Cep’s Harvard Crimson archive [22:45] Cep’s Harvard Magazine archive [23:36] In Cold Blood (Truman Capote • Vintage • 1994) [23:52] Harper Lee’s Profile of In Cold Blood (Real Simple • 2014) [24:28] Cep’s Pacific Standard archive [24:32] Cep's New York Times archive [24:36] Cep’s New Yorker archive [25:26] "Mystery in Monroeville" (New Yorker • 2015) [25:42] "Harper Lee’s Forgotten True Crime Project" (New Yorker • 2015) [27:42] All God’s Dangers: The Life of Nate Shaw (Theodore Rosegarten • Alfred A. Knopf • 1974) [27:42] Let Us Now Praise Famous Men (James Agee • Mariner Books • 2001) [30:35] S-Town [31:50] "In Cold Blood: The Last to See Them Alive" (Truman Capote • The New Yorker • 1965) [31:55] Evidence of Things Not Seen (James Baldwin • Picador • 1995) [32:00] The Basement: Meditiations on Human Sacrifice (Kate Millett • Simon Schuster • 1979) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mark Adams is the author of Mr. America and Turn Right at Machu Picchu. His latest book is Tip of the Iceberg: My 3,000-Mile Journey Around Wild Alaska, the Last Great American Frontier. “It’s always sheer and utter panic the whole time I’m on the road. I never sleep more than like three or four hours a night when I’m on the road because I wake up at 4:00 in the morning and I’m like, Who am I going to talk to today? I don’t have anything scheduled for today. What am I going to do? Sometimes things work out for that day and sometimes they don’t. I think when you start to lose that feeling — that tense feeling, that pit in your stomach — then the work starts to lose something as well.” Thanks to MailChimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @markcadams [00:35] Turn Right at Machu Picchu: Rediscovering the Lost City One Step at a Time (Dutton • 2012) [00:43] Tip of the Iceberg: My 3,000-Mile Journey Around Wild Alaska, the Last Great American Frontier (Dutton • 2018) [06:28] Mr. America (It Books • 2010) [19:20] Radical Chic and Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers (Tom Wolfe • Picador • 2009) [21:52] Letters to a Young Writer (Colum McCann • Bloomsbury • 2018) [24:40] Adams’ Men’s Journal archive [28:18] Into the Wild (Jon Krakauer • Anchor Books • 1997) [28:44] Inside Maya 5 (Mark Adams, Erick Miller, Max Simms • New Riders Press • 2003) [36:14] The Dinosaur Artist: Obsession, Betrayal, and the Quest for Earth's Ultimate Trophy (Paige Williams • Hachettte Books • 2018) [39:10] The Fifth Risk (Michael Lewis • W. W. Norton & Company • 2018) [39:42] ”Philosophy 101” (Real Simple • 2014) [40:34] ”German Discovers Atlantis in Africa” (New York Times • 1911) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Emily Bazelon is a staff writer at the New York Times Magazine and a co-host of Political Gabfest. Her latest book is Charged: The New Movement to Transform American Prosecution and End Mass Incarceration. “I'm pretty convinced that if everybody went to criminal court we would not have courts that are dysfunctional the way our courts are. Because what you see every day is a lot of dysfunction and disrespect. It’s kind of deadening. Most people—especially most middle and upper-class people in this country—don’t know anything about the system. They haven’t experienced it first-hand and they prefer not to think about it. It’s very stigmatized. A lot of what I do is just bear witness.’” Thanks to MailChimp, The Great Courses Plus, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @emilybazelon Bazelon on Longform [02:16] Charged: The New Movement to Transform American Prosecution and End Mass Incarceration (Emily Bazelon • Random House • 2019) [03:38] Bazelon's Slate archive [03:38] Bazelon's New York Times Magazine archive [04:01] Political Gabfest [04:28] ”She was Convicted of Killing Her Mother. Prosecutors Withheld the Evidence That Would Have Freed Her.” (New York Times • 2017) [14:38] Charged: A True Punishment Story [22:15] Eric Gonzalez Interview [26:14] Uncivil [41:11] "Conservatives for Criminal Justice Reform" (Grover Norquist • Wall Street Journal • Sep 2017) [45:43] The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness (Michelle Alexander • The New Press • 2012) [49:11] Court Watch [51:18] "Kavanaugh Was Questioned by Police After Bar Fight in 1985” (Emily Bazelon and Ben Protess • New York Times • Oct 2018) [52:02] "Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes as He Reaped Riches From His Father” (David Barstow, Susanne Craig and Russ Buettner • New York Times • Oct 2018) [57:26] Sarah Huckabee Sanders's tweet about Bazelon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sloane Crosley is the author of I Was Told There’d Be Cake and How Did You Get This Number. Her latest essay collection is Look Alive Out There. “The more extreme things get in reality, the more extreme escapism has to be. It’s like Game of Thrones or bust. But in reality, I think that part of what I’m trying to do with this book, or in anything I write, is to give permission to be mad about little things. Just because there’s all of this, someone still slid their hand down a subway pole and touched you. Or somebody bumped into you. There are still these minor indignities and infractions that occur consistently. And I think there’s some sort of robbing if you tell yourself, Well, I’m not going to be mad about this because of the political landscape that we’re in.” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, The Great Courses Plus, and @askanyone Crosley on Longform [11:20] ”Goodbye, Columbus” (Village Voice • 2004) [14:15] Read Bottom Up: A Novel (Riverhead Books • 2016) [22:00] I Was Told There’d Be Cake: Essays (Dey Street Books • 2008) [25:50] Look Alive Out There: Essays (MCD • 2018) [26:00] "A Dog Named Humphrey" (Believer Magazine • June 2012) [26:00] Outside Voices (New Yorker • 2018) [26:00] Up the Down Volcano (Kindle Single • 2011) [26:00] "Light Pollution" (Vice • May 2010) [36:15] "My Uncle, The 70s Porn Star" (Esquire • Apr 2018) [37:47] "The Doctor Is a Woman" (The Cut • 2018) [43:25] "Spin the Globe: Sloane Crosley in Ecuador" (Afar • Nov 2011) [46:00] "All Aboard the Good Ship Self-Care" (Vogue • Mar 2019) [53:45] "Living in Print: David Sedaris and Sloane Crosley in Conversation” [1:02:30] "Laura Dern’s Big Little Truths" (Vanity Fair • Feb 2019) [1:02:30] "The Art of the Real Starring Stormy Daniels" (Playboy • Dec 2018) [1:02:30] "The Dr. Ruth You Don't Know" (InStyle • May 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Christine Kenneally has written for The New Yorker, The New York Times, and The Monthly. Her 2018 Buzzfeed article, “The Ghosts of the Orphanage,” was nominated for a National Magazine Award. "I understood that the abuse was a big part of the story. But the thing that really hooked me and disturbed me and I wouldn’t forget was the depersonalization that went on in these places. It wasn’t just that the records had been lost along the way. It became really clear that the information was intentionally withheld, and it was all part of just this extraordinary depersonalization that happened to these kids.” Thanks to MailChimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @chriskenneally Christine Kenneally on Longform [8:25] The First Word: The Search for the Origins of Language (Christine Kenneally • Penguin Books • 2007) [14:05] "The Invisible History of the Human Race: How DNA and History Shape Our Identities and Our Futures" (Christine Kenneally • Penguin Books • 2015) [21:18] Kenneally’s New Yorker archive [22:22] "The Inferno" (New Yorker • Oct 2009) [24:53] "We Saw Nuns Kill Children: The Ghosts of St. Joseph’s Catholic Orphanage" (Buzzfeed News • Aug 2018) [25:21] "The Deepest Cut" (New Yorker • June 2006) [51:07] Spotlight [51:20] Pennsylvania Diocese Victims Report Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

David Wallace-Wells is the deputy editor of New York and the author of The Uninhabitable Earth: Life After Warming. “Between 1.5 degrees and 2 degrees of warming, just that extra half degree of warming, is going to kill 150 million people from air pollution alone. That’s 25 times the death toll of the Holocaust. And when I say that to people, their eyes open. They’re like oh my god, this is suffering on such an unconscionable scale. And it is. But 9 million people are dying already every year from air pollution. That’s a Holocaust every year, right now. And our lives aren’t meaningfully oriented around those people and those deaths. And very few people we know have their lives meaningfully oriented around those people and those deaths. And I think it’s quite likely that, going forward, those impulses of compartmentalization and denial and narcissism will continue to govern our response to this crisis. Which is tragic.” Thanks to MailChimp, The Great Courses Plus, The Primary Ride Home Podcast, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. The Uninhabitable Earth: Life After Warming @dwallacewells Wallace-Wells on Longform [3:45] "When Will the Planet Be Too Hot for Humans? Much, Much Sooner Than You Imagine." (New York • Jul 2017) [4:00] Wallace-Wells's New York archive [13:00] "Are We as Doomed as That New York Magazine Article Says?" (Robinson Meyer • The Atlantic • Jul 2017) [13:30] "Scientific Reticence: a DRAFT Discussion" (James Hansen • Earth Institute • Oct 2017) [15:55] Silent Spring (Rachel Carson • Houghton Mifflin • 1962) [26:45] "The Doomed Earth Controversy: David Wallace-Wells and Michael Mann" (YouTube • Nov 2017) [27:30] "Stop Scaring People About Climate Change. It Doesn’t Work." (Eric Holthaus • Grist • Jul 2017) [27:30] "Scientists Challenge Magazine Story About 'Uninhabitable Earth'" (Chris Mooney • Washington Post • Jul 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Linda Villarosa directs the journalism program at the City College of New York and is a contributing writer at the New York Times Magazine. Her article "Why America’s Black Mothers and Babies Are in a Life-or-Death Crisis" was one of Longform's Top Ten of 2018. She is at work on a new book, Under the Skin: Race, Inequality and the Health of a Nation, due out in 2020. “I think at the beginning I was afraid to say it right out, so I think I was saying ‘racial bias’ or something like that. Then I stopped. ... I think how I learned about it both in earlier reporting and in grad school and in my own research was that race is a risk factor for a bunch of different health problems, whether it’s heart disease, infant and maternal mortality, or HIV. It’s just said that race is a risk factor. It’s disproportionate. What it really is is that race is a risk factor, but it’s also a risk marker. Instead of looking at what individuals are doing wrong, it’s what society is doing wrong in creating problems for individual people which lead to health crisis. It’s sort of like bias, related to racism, is creating problems in people’s actual bodies. That’s what I came to understand. It really shifts the blame off the individual.” Thanks to MailChimp, The Great Courses Plus, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @lindavillarosa lindavillarosa.com Villarosa on Longform [0:40] "Why America’s Black Mothers and Babies Are in a Life-or-Death Crisis" (New York Times Magazine • Apr 2018) [5:00] "America’s Hidden H.I.V. Epidemic" (New York Times Magazine • Jun 2017) [13:20] "A Conversation With: Phill Wilson; Speaking Out to Make AIDS an Issue of Color" (New York Times Magazine • Dec 2000) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michael Lewis is the author of several bestselling books and the host of the podcast Against the Rules. “I think anything you do, if it’s going to be any good, there’s got to be some risk involved. I think the reader or the listener will sense that you were taking chances and it will excite them. So, you never want to do the same thing twice, and you don’t want to cling to something because it’s the safe thing. I try to keep that in mind. Ok, I started with this, but if I push off shore clinging to this life raft or this floatation device and I get way out of swimming range of the beach, but I find this more interesting flotation device, have the nerve to jump from one to the next. You never know where it’s going to lead.” Thanks to MailChimp, Going Through It, Green Chef, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. Lewis's author site Lewis on Longform [1:40] Against the Rules with Michael Lewis [4:55] The Blind Side: Evolution of a Game (W. W. Norton & Company • 2007 [9:50] The Big Short: Inside the Doomsday Machine (W. W. Norton & Company • 2011) [11:10] The Fifth Risk (W. W. Norton & Company • 2018) [11:40] Revisionist History [13:15] Moneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game (W. W. Norton & Company • 2004) [14:35] The Undoing Project: A Friendship That Changed Our Minds (W. W. Norton & Company • 2016) [14:50] Home Game: An Accidental Guide to Fatherhood (W. W. Norton & Company • 2010) [27:10] How I Got Into College (This American Life • 2013) [30:00] Ref, You Suck! (Against the Rules • 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hillary Frank is the creator of The Longest Shortest Time podcast and the author of Weird Parenting Wins. “I think motherhood is not valued in our culture. We don’t value the work of mothers both at home and then at work. Mothers are the most discriminated against people at work. They’re discriminated more against than fathers or people without children. Mothers are promoted less, hired less, and paid less. People are forced out of their jobs after they announce that they’re pregnant, they’re passed over for promotions, and they get horrible, discriminatory comments like, ‘Oh, don’t you really think you want to be at home? Do you really want to come back?‘ And American work culture is not set up for people to be parents and mothers.” Thanks to MailChimp, The Great Courses Plus, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @hillaryfrank hillaryfrank.com [0:35] The Longest Shortest podcast [6:00] The Special Misogyny Reserved for Mothers (New York Times • Dec 2018) [19:20] This American Life archives on family [41:35] Weird Parenting Wins: Bathtub Dining, Family Screams, and Other Hacks from the Parenting Trenches (Penguin • 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Casey Newton covers technology for The Verge and writes The Interface newsletter. “I remember one time a Facebook employee told me when I wrote something critical and I said something like, ‘Yeah, I know that one was a little harder on you.’ I remember he said to me, ‘Please understand that this helps to make the case internally for changes we want to make.’ When this type of criticism get published when we know that this is the conversation, we can push for these kinds of changes on the inside. If you believe that these platforms are going to be around and that they aren’t going to be shut down and all the executives put into jail, I think what you actually want is to see them get better at things.” Thanks to MailChimp, The Great Courses Plus, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. The Mastermind (Evan Ratliff • Random House • 2019) CoinTalk Podcast @CaseyNewton Newton on Longform [1:40] The Interface [5:00] Newton's archive at The Verge [20:20] Longform Podcast #171: Adrian Chen [24:25] "The Trauma Floor" (The Verge • Feb 2019) [29:00] Sarah Frier's archive at Bloomberg [32:40] The Bill Simmons Podcast [49:00] Newton's archive at San Francisco Chronicle Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wesley Morris is a critic at large for The New York Times, a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine, and the co-host of Still Processing. “I think that the taking of extra time to be more thoughtful and less reactive is, to the extent that I have any wisdom to impart, that is it. Just wait a second. Because someone’s going to get there before you get there anyway.” Thanks to MailChimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. The Mastermind (Evan Ratliff • Random House • 2019) @Wesley_Morris Morris on Longform Morris's New York Times archive [1:55] Still Processing Podcast [3:25] Longform Podcast #95: Wesley Morris [3:30] Longform Podcast #218: Wesley Morris [6:55] In the Land of Women (Warner Brothers • John Kasdan • 2008) [9:25] Boomerang (Paramount • Reginald Hudlin • 2002 [10:45] "The Morality Wars" (New York Times • Oct 2018) [10:50] Insecure (HBO • 2016) [16:00] Crazy Rich Asians (Warner Brothers • Jon M. Chu • 2018) [30:25] "The Governor Who Partied Like It’s 1884" (New York Times • Feb 2019) [34:55] Green Book (Universal • Peter Farrelly • 2018) [37:05] Get Out (Blumhouse Productions • Jordan Peele • 2017) [37:10] Moonlight (A24 • Barry Jenkins • 2016) [42:10] Black Panther (Marvel • Ryan Coogler • 2018) [43:25] Wonder Woman (Warner Brothers • Patty Jenkins • 2017) [44:30] King Kong: Skull Island (Warner Brothers • Jordan Vogt-Roberts • 2017) [44:35] Captain Marvel (Marvel • Anna Boden • 2019 [46:00] Russian Doll (Netflix • Leslye Headland • 2019) [46:10] Catastrophe (Amazon • 2019) [46:15] Game of Thrones (Netflix • Leslye Headland • 2019) [50:55] Us (Monkeypaw Productions • Jordan Peele • 2019) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Evan Ratliff, a co-host of the Longform Podcast, is the author of The Mastermind: Drugs. Empire. Murder. Betrayal. “We’re all less moral than we think we are, including myself. I’m interested in the justifications people provide for themselves to get deep into something that starts as one thing and ends up as a murderous criminal cartel. Paul Le Roux, sure—but also doctors and pharmacists. It’s interesting to think about where the pressures in our lives create moral ambiguity that we didn't think was there, and why we do things that we’ve said we'll never do. We look at someone else and think that they’re really bad or evil, but then we’ve never experienced those pressures. That cauldron of factors is something I’m very interested in because I think it applies to everyone.” Thanks to MailChimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @ev_rat cazart.net Ratliff on Longform Longform Podcast #48: Evan Ratliff Longform Podcast Bonus Episode: Evan Ratliff (April 2016) [3:00] The Oilman's Daughter (The Atavist • 2013) [3:05] The Mastermind (The Atavist • Mar 2016) [5:15] The Mastermind (Evan Ratliff • Random House • 2019) [17:10] Longform Podcast #66: Andy Ward [49:50] Hunting LeRoux: The Inside Story of the DEA Takedown of a Criminal Genius and His Empire (Elaine Shannon • HarperLuxe • 2019) [1:03:20] Ratliff's New Yorker archive [1:03:25] Ratliff's Atavist Magazine archive Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kiese Laymon is the author of How to Slowly Kill Yourself and Others in America and Heavy: An American Memoir. “It's ironic to me that my mom was the woman who taught me how to read—she was the black woman who taught me how to read and write—and everything I wrote outside of my house I was taught not to write to my mama. I just think that’s where we are as black writers and black creators in this country. Literally because most of our teachers are white. Principals are white. The standards are white. But I wanted to flip this on its head and I wanted to write this book to the person who taught me how to read and write. And, yeah, we got some dysfunctional, fucked-up shit going on. But we also have some abundant love shit going on, too.” Thanks to MailChimp, The Last Column, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. The Mastermind (Evan Ratliff • Random House • 2019) @KieseLaymon Laymon on Longform [1:30] Heavy: An American Memoir (Scribner • 2018) [1:40] How to Slowly Kill Yourself and Others in America (Agate Bolden • 2013) [01:45] "The Worst of White Folks" (Gawker • Jul 2013) [01:50] "How They Do in Ole Miss" (ESPN • Oct 2015) [03:20] The lamppost [08:40] "Da Art of Storytellin’ (A Prequel)" (Oxford American • Nov 2015) [33:45] "You Are the Second Person" (Guernica • Jun 2013) [35:05] Where the Line Bleeds (Jesmyn Ward • Agate Bolden • 2008) [35:15] Long Division (Agate Bolden • 2013) [36:00] "D'Andre Brown's Basketball Dream" (ESPN • Aug 2013) [39:40] "My Vassar College Faculty ID Makes Everything OK" (Gawker • Nov 2014) [55:35] "Michelle Obama Should Go High—And Kick" (Vanity Fair • Nov 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Patrick Radden Keefe is a New Yorker staff writer. His latest book is Say Nothing: A True Story of Murder and Memory in Northern Ireland. “What was strange for me was that it was before I was born, almost a half-century ago. I went to Belfast and asked people about it and you could see the fear on people’s faces. So this notion that this event that’s older than I am still felt so radioactive in the present day was challenging from a reporting point of view, but it also, at every step along the way, made me feel as though it was good that I was doing this project. That this was not a kind of inert, stale history story I was telling. It was something that was vivid and palpable and menacing even now.” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. The Mastermind (Evan Ratliff • Random House • 2019) @praddenkeefe Patrick Radden Keefe on Longform Longform Podcast #20: Patrick Radden Keefe [2:15] The Snakehead: An Epic Tale of the Chinatown Underworld and the American Dream (Anchor • 2010) [3:25] Say Nothing: A True Story of Murder and Memory in Northern Ireland (Doubleday • 2019) [23:05] "Where the Bodies Are Buried" (New Yorker • Mar 2015) [31:00] "The Secrets of Lyndon Johnson’s Archives" (Robert A. Caro • New Yorker • Jan 2019) [42:10] "Picturing the Bishops" (New Yorker • Feb 2013) [43:25] "How Mark Burnett Resurrected Donald Trump as an Icon of American Success" (New Yorker • Jan 2019) [44:25] "The Family That Built an Empire of Pain" (New Yorker • Oct 2017) [50:35] "Anthony Bourdain's Moveable Feast" (New Yorker • Feb 2017) [52:00] "The Worst of the Worst" (New Yorker • Sep 2015) [54:10] "The Avenger" (New Yorker • Sep 2015) [55:40] "The Hunt for El Chapo" (New Yorker • May 2014) [58:15] Pain Killer: An Empire of Deceit and the Origin of America's Opioid Epidemic 2nd Edition (Barry Meier • Random House • 2018) [58:20] Dreamland: The True Tale of America's Opiate Epidemic (Sam Quinones • Bloomsbury Press • 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rosecrans Baldwin is a writer and regular contributor to GQ. His latest novel is The Last Kid Left. “It requires a lot of preparation in order to just have lunch with Roger Federer. Being a person who tends toward anxiety and also a former Boy Scout—put those two things together and I will exhaustively prepare so that I can come across like a complete idiot. The idea of sitting down with someone like that is that you should know everything about their life and their career so that you can go in with 12 questions in the back of your mind.” Thanks to MailChimp, Breach, CoinTalk, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. The Mastermind (Evan Ratliff • Random House • 2019) @rosecrans Baldwin on Longform rosecransbaldwin.com [1:15]The Morning News [1:50] "My Life Cleanse: One Month Inside L.A.'s Cult of Betterness" (GQ • Nov 2018) [9:15] "The High Is Always the Pain and the Pain Is Always the High" (Jay Caspian Kang • The Morning News • Oct 2010) [11:40] All the Light We Cannot See: A Novel (Anthony Doerr • Scribner • 2017) [12:15] "A Year of Kibble-and-Playdates Calculus" (New York • Oct 2007) [12:45] Paris, I Love You but You're Bringing Me Down (Picador • 2013) [13:00] Baldwin's archive at GQ [13:05] "Am I Too Old to Win the U.S. Open?" (GQ • Sep 2014) [13:45] "Will Roger Federer Ever Be Done?" (GQ • Mar 2017) [18:35] "Welcome to Camp Midlife Crisis!" (GQ • Aug 2016) [22:40] "Learn to Kill in Seven Days or Less" (GQ • Mar 2014) [33:50] Cults in Our Midst: The Continuing Fight Against Their Hidden Menace (Margaret Thaler Singer • Jossey-Bass • 2003) [34:20] "I Cried Enough to Fill a Glass" (Mark Fisher • Washington Post • Oct 1987) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Mastermind (Evan Ratliff • Random House • 2019) @cragcrest Aschwanden's personal site [3:40] Aschwanden's archive at 538 [3:45] Good to Go: What the Athlete in All of Us Can Learn from the Strange Science of Recovery (W. W. Norton & Company • 2019) [5:20] Fleishman Is in Trouble: A Novel (Taffy Brodesser-Akner • Random House • 2019) [13:35] Courage Camp: A Master Class on the Business of Freelancing [17:35] Aschwanden's freelancing archive [25:40] "The Change in Mammogram Guidelines" (LA Times • Mar 2011) [25:45] "Cancer Screening Can Do More Harm Than Good" (Popular Science • Jul 2014) [28:25] "Believe Tyler?" (Bicycling • Nov 2007) [pdf] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lydia Polgreen, former foreign correspondent and director of NYT Global at The New York Times, is the editor in chief of HuffPost. “Like a lot of people, I think I went a little bit crazy after Donald Trump got elected. ... If Hillary Clinton had won the election, I have a feeling that I would still be a mid-level manager at The New York Times. But after the election, I really started to think about journalism, about my role in it, about who journalism was serving and who it was for, and I just became really enamored with this idea that you could create a news organization that was less about people who are left out of the political and economic power equations, but actually for them.” Thanks to MailChimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @lpolgreen Polgreen on Longform [1:00] "Layoffs Underway at HuffPost a Day After Parent Company Verizon Announced Cuts" (Tom Kludt • CNN • Jan 2019) [7:45] Polgreen's New York Times archive [8:30] Marty Baron on Twitter [13:30] Roseveill Area Middle School [23:15] Washington Monthly [27:00] "Correcting the Record Times Reporter Who Resigned Leaves Long Trail of Deception" (New York Times • May 2003) [28:30] "A Racial Acceptance That Resonates" (New York Times • Dec 2013) [29:00] "200 Years After Napoleon, Haiti Finds Little to Celebrate" (New York Times • Jan 2004) [33:30] "Covering Sudan and Darfur's Plight" (NPR • May 2006) [35:30] "Money and Violence Hobble Democracy in Nigeria" (New York Times • Nov 2006) [45:30] "Lydia Polgreen on Leaving to Lead Huffington Post: ‘Hardest Decision I’ve Ever Made’" (New York Times • Dec 2016) [53:00] "Layoffs Hit HuffPost After $4.6 Billion Verizon Media Write-Down" (Andy Campbell • HuffPost • Jan 2019) [55:30] "Mic Shuts Down, a Victim of Management Hubris and Facebook’s Pivot to Video" (Mathew Ingram • CJR • Dec 2018) [56:00] "Founder’s Big Idea to Revive BuzzFeed’s Fortunes? A Merger With Rivals" (Edmund Lee • New York Times • Nov 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Thomas Morton is a writer and former correspondent for HBO's _Vice News_. He was at Vice from 2004-2019 and is a major character in Jill Abramson's _Merchants of Truth_. “You have to go with your gut and I feel like that’s one of the most essential qualities in doing anything of the nature of what we did. Of making documentaries or reporting news or current events, you really have to have a good sense of intuition for who you’re dealing with, what they’re telling you, what you’re telling them, how you’re behaving. It’s all human interaction, you can’t govern that with hard and fast rules or with extremely set rules. Beyond the extreme ones there are always going to be murky areas. You have to be willing to accept that and work with those.” Thanks to MailChimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. The Mastermind (Evan Ratliff • Random House • Jan 2019) The Longform Podcast Live: The Mastermind book release party with special guests @Babyballs69 Morton on Longform "Oh, This Is Great" (Vice • Jan 2008) "In the Land of the Juggalos—A Juggalo Is King" (Vice • Sep 2007) [0:50] "News to Me" (Medium • Jan 2019) [1:00] The Merchants of Truth (Jill Abramson • Simon & Schuster • 2019) [20:45] Morton's archive at Vice [23:50] "I Joined Three Cults Simultaneously" (Vice • Sep 2006) [24:45] Aum Shinrikyo Wikipedia page [35:30] "Tobaccoland" (Vice • May 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

David Grann is a staff writer for the New Yorker. His new book is The White Darkness. “I do think in life, and in reporting, that reckoning with failure is a part of the process. And reckoning with your own limitations. I think that’s probably the arc and change I have made as I get older. Just as O’Shea doesn’t get the squid, failure is such an integral part of life and what you make of it. Too often we’re always focused on the success side, and I don’t always think the successes teach us as much as the journey and having things elude us. ... I'm being completely honest, I look at every story I've ever written as a failure. Because I always have some model, some perfect ideal, that I want to try to reach.” Thanks to MailChimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. The Mastermind (Evan Ratliff • Random House • Jan 2019) The Longform Podcast Live: The Mastermind book release party with special guests @DavidGrann Grann on Longform Longform Podcast #3: David Grann Longform Podcast #241: David Grann [1:50] The White Darkness (Doubleday • 2018) [1:55] "The White Darkness" (New Yorker • Feb 2018) [4:10] "The Squid Hunter" (New Yorker • May 2004) [11:40] Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI (Doubleday • 2017) [13:35] "The Lost City of Z" (New Yorker • Sep 2005) [13:40] The Lost City of Z: A Tale of Deadly Obsession in the Amazon (Vintage • 2010) [14:45] "The Hero Myth" (New Republic • May 1999) [22:30] "The Yankee Comandante" (New Yorker • May 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tommy Tomlinson, a former newspaper columnist, is the host of Southbound podcast. His new book is The Elephant in the Room: One Fat Man's Quest to Get Smaller in a Growing America. “The thing that galvanized me was the death of my sister. I signed the contract November 2014, she died Christmas Eve of that year. She had been overweight just like me. She was older than me and died from complications, an infection that was directly connected to her weight. And that more than anything made me think if I don’t deal with this now, I’m not going to be around in 10 years to write this book. So, the book helped certainly. The idea that I was going to put this stuff on paper and expose myself in this way to the world and I didn’t want to be a failure at the end of it. More than that, I didn’t want to be a failure because I didn’t want to be a failure. I don’t want to die.” Thanks to MailChimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. The Mastermind (Evan Ratliff • Random House • Jan 2019) The Longform Podcast Live: The Mastermind book release party with special guests @tommytomlinson Tomlinson on Longform tommytomlinson.com [1:55] "You Can't Quit Cold Turkey" (ESPN Magazine • Aug 2014) [2:10] The Elephant in the Room: One Fat Man's Quest to Get Smaller in a Growing America (Simon & Schuster • 2019) [2:25] "The Weight I Carry" (The Atlantic • Jan 2019) [14:45] Longform podcast #317: Paige Williams [18:25] "The Hunley 8, The Charleston 9" (Charlotte Observer • Apr 2004) [22:20] "Something Went Very Wrong at Toomer's Corner" (Sports Illustrated • Aug 2011) [31:55] Hunger: A Memoir of (My) Body (Roxane Gay • Harper • 2017) [36:20] Olive Kitteridge (Elizabeth Strout • Random House • 2008) [48:20] Southbound podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Julie Snyder, one of the first producers at This American Life, is the co-creator of Serial and S-Town. Serial Season 3 is out now. “I am constantly second-guessing myself. I am full of regret and recrimination all the time. I don’t pride myself on it cause it probably goes too far, but in other ways I do feel like I am a person who is very flawed and I make mistakes and I try and learn from them. And I try to be very open to other people’s thoughts and input and everything like that. So to be that open to criticism after season one [of Serial] was rough for being that open because we just got so much attention. I could feel people being like, ‘Oh, go cry on your bags of money.’ It was huge. I got that, but at the same time, it was hard to ignore.” Thanks to MailChimp, First Day Back, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. The Longform Podcast Live: The Mastermind book release party with special guests Serial S-Town Longform Podcast #159: Ira Glass Longform Podcast #239: Brian Reed Longform Podcast #273: Zoe Chace [7:20] Courtroom 302: A Year Behind the Scenes in an American Criminal Courthouse (Steve Bogira • Vintage • 2006) [58:50] Snyder on This American Life [59:05] "Throwing the First Punch" (This American Life • Mar 1998) [1:11:45] "Ira Glass's Commencement Speech at the Columbia Journalism School Graduation" (Ira Glass • This American Life • May 2018) [1:18:10] "Harper High School—Part One" (This American Life • Feb 2013) [1:18:15] "Harper High School—Part Two" (This American Life • Feb 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Doug Bock Clark has written for GQ, Wired, and The New Yorker. His new book is The Last Whalers: Three Years in the Far Pacific with a Courageous Tribe and a Vanishing Way of Life. “I think for me the answer has always been you just find the people. You just listen to their stories. I think we're all microcosms, right? We're all fractals of the bigger world. Whether it's my own life or your life or the Lamalerans or other people I've encountered reporting. I think one of the things I'm constantly aware of is how these sort of greater world historical forces are working on us and shaping our lives. For more people than most people would assume, if you just followed their life and looked at it in the particulars but also in the broader circumstances, you could probably draw larger themes from them and their experiences. I never had any worries about whether I could expand the Lamaleran story. It was always just about getting those specific stories right, and I knew the rest of it would come.” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. The Longform Podcast Live: The Mastermind book release party with special guests @DougBockClark Clark on Longform [1:10] "The Untold Story of Otto Warmbier, American Hostage" (GQ • Jul 2018) [1:20] "The Untold Story of Kim Jong-nam’s Assassination" (GQ • Sep 2018) [2:10] The Last Whalers: Three Years in the Far Pacific with a Courageous Tribe and a Vanishing Way of Life (Little, Brown and Company • 2019) [2:10] "The Whalers' Odyssey" (The Atavist Magazine • Nov 2018) [2:20] The Mastermind: Drugs. Empire. Murder. Betrayal. (Evan Ratliff • Random House • 2019) [8:00] Behind the Beautiful Forevers: Life, Death, and Hope in a Mumbai Undercity (Katherine Boo • Random House • 2014) [16:40] "The Second Tsunami" (Glimpse • Oct 2011) [22:20] "The Bot Bubble: How click farms have inflated social media currency" (The New Republic • Apr 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lizzie Johnson covers wildfires for the San Francisco Chronicle. “It’s kind of like when you’re a beginning journalist and you have to write an obituary—calling the family of the person who died seems like this insurmountable, very invasive task and you really don’t want to do it. That’s kind of how I felt about interviewing fire victims at first. I felt like I was somehow intruding on their grief and their pain. But somewhere along the way I realized there’s healing power in talking about what you’ve been through. Saying it out loud and being able to claim ownership to it. I found that time after time these people are very grateful because they need to talk. They have something to say in the aftermath of this big, massive thing that just came and wiped out everything they knew. They really do just need someone to listen to them. I have never had someone tell me, ‘Go away, we don’t want to talk to you.’ And I’m completely bowled over by that every single time.” Thanks to MailChimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @lizziejohnsonnn Johnson on Longform Johnson's archive at San Francisco Chronicle [0:40] "A Fire, a Newborn Baby and a Pact: Tales of Survival From Paradise" (San Francisco Chronicle • Nov 2018) [3:20] "For Survivors of the Tubbs Fire, a New, Unhappy Normal" (San Francisco Chronicle • Oct 2018) [4:05] "After Deadly Carr Fire, a Question of How—and Whether—to Rebuild 1,000 Homes" (San Francisco Chronicle • Aug 2018) [17:45] Noah Berger Photography [23:40] "After Wine Country Fires, Victims Confront Emotional Ruins: ‘We Have a Long Way to Go’" (San Francisco Chronicle • Dec 2017) [29:45] "150 Minutes of Hell" (San Francisco Chronicle • Dec 2018) [39:20] "Ed Bledsoe Couldn’t Outrace the Carr Fire to Save His Family. But in His Heart, They’re Alive" (San Francisco Chronicle • Aug 2018) [41:05] "Signs of Life Amid Scars and Loss" (San Francisco Chronicle • Apr 2018) [42:50] "Regret Haunts Wine Country Fire Hero: ‘I’ve Never Cried This Much’" (San Francisco Chronicle • Jul 2018) [55:10] The Centerpiece [55:15] "City of Ash"(The Centerpiece • Oct 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Malcolm Gladwell is a New Yorker staff writer, the author The Tipping Point and Blink, and the host of Revisionist History. His new podcast is Broken Record. “The loveliest thing is to interview someone who’s never been interviewed before. To sort of watch them in a totally novel experience. Particularly when you’re interviewing them about things they never thought were worthy of an interview. That’s a really lovely experience. It’s like watching a kid on a roller coaster for the first time. But a celebrity is a very different kind of experience. The bar for them is quite high. They’ve been interviewed a million times, so you have to be on your game. You have to take them somewhere that’s a little unfamiliar to get them to perk up. Otherwise it’s just another of a long line of interviews. It’s a lot more demanding.” Thanks to MailChimp, Aspen Ideas To Go, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @Gladwell Gladwell on Longform [0:30] Gladwell on Episode 62 of the Longform Podcast [0:35] Gladwell on Episode 204 of the Longform Podcast [0:40] Revisionist History [0:45] Broken Record [2:20] David and Goliath: Underdogs, Misfits, and the Art of Battling Giants (Little, Brown and Company • 2013) [2:30] Panoply [10:45] It's a Long Story: My Life (Willie Nelson • Little, Brown and Company • 2015) [28:00] Gladwell's archive at The New Yorker [28:50] Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking (Little, Brown and Company • 2005) [30:20] Revisionist History: Analysis, Parapraxis, Elvis [30:45] Behind the Shock Machine: The Untold Story of the Notorious Milgram Psychology Experiments (Gina Perry • The New Press • 2013) [38:20] Revisionist History: Free Brian Williams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Samin Nosrat is a food writer, educator, and chef. She is the author of Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat and hosts a series by the same name on Netflix. “I kind of couldn’t exist as just a cook or a writer. I kind of need to be both. Because they fulfill these two totally different parts of myself and my brain. Cooking is really social, it’s very physical, and also you don’t have any time to become attached to your product. You hand it off and somebody eats it, and literally tomorrow it’s shit. … Whereas with writing, it’s the exact opposite. It’s super solitary. It’s super cerebral. And you have all the time in the world to get attached to your thing and freak out about it.” Thanks to MailChimp, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this episode. @CiaoSamin ciaosamin.com Salt Fat Acid Heat (Netflix) Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat: Mastering the Elements of Good Cooking (Simon & Schuster • 2017) [01:00] Pop-Up Magazine [23:00] Cooked: A Natural History of Transformation (Michael Pollan • Penguin Books • 2014) [25:15] Nosrat’s Archive at Edible [25:00] "Out of the Kitchen, Onto the Couch" (Michael Pollan • New York Times Magazine • Jul 2009) [28:45] Wendy MacNaughton on the Longform Podcast [32:30] An Everlasting Meal: Cooking with Economy and Grace (Tamar Adler • Scribner • 2012) [34:00] Levels of the Game (John McPhee • Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 1979) [46:50] Outliers: The Story of Success (Malcolm Gladwell • Back Bay Books • 2011) [49:00] Golden Boy Pizza [50:15] "Cookbook Author Samin Nosrat Celebrates with Champagne and Babybels" (Sierra Tishgart • Grub Street • Apr 2017) [51:50] Salt Sugar Fat: How the Food Giants Hooked Us (Michael Moss • Random House • 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Allison P. Davis is a staff writer at The Cut and New York. “I have no real advice other than don’t fuck it up and be afraid all the time. That’s the key to success. Don’t fuck it up. Be a little bit anxious all the time.” Thanks to MailChimp, Skagen, Aspen Ideas To Go, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @AllisonPDavis Davis's archive at New York Mag [0:35] "Lena Dunham Comes to Terms with Herself" (The Cut • Nov 2018) [0:40] "Cardi B Was Made to Be Famous" (The Cut • Nov 2017) [0:50] Longform's Best of 2018 List [5:40] "Teen Mom Maci Bookout: In Her Own Words" (Teen Vogue • Nov 2010) [12:40] Davis's archive at Elle [16:40] "5 Reasons Why Hometown Tinder is The Worst Tinder" (GQ • Nov 2015) [18:05] "Gigi Hadid Is Now on the Cover of CR Fashion Book" (The Cut • Feb 2014) [20:50] Davis's archive at The Ringer [22:55] "Lainey Is Yours in Gossip" (The Ringer • Oct 2016) [28:10] "97 Minutes With John David Washington" (Vulture • Aug 2018) [28:15] "Tessa Thompson Knows People Can’t Stop Thinking About Her" (The Cut • Aug 2018) [35:45] "My Date with Noah Centineo" (The Cut • Sep 2018) [37:10] "Michael B. Jordan Will Be King" (GQ • Nov 2018) [57:45] "You Know He Got That Big Dick Energy" (The Cut • Jun 2018) [58:30] "Are We Ready for Robot Sex? " (The Cut • May 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dan Taberski is the host of Missing Richard Simmons and Surviving Y2K. “Why would you walk into podcasting, where not a lot of rules have been written yet, why would walk into that space and be like, I'm just going to stick to the rules over here. It doesn't make any sense. ... Sourcing, respect for privacy — all these rules are here for a reason. And there's a line you shouldn't cross. But I don't see the point of not walking up to that line and looking over it. Because that is where interesting stuff is happening. ... To be able to earn that ability to cross the line a little bit and then jump back to where you belong, I think that's where beautiful storytelling happens.” Thanks to MailChimp and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this bonus episode. @dtaberski Missing Richard Simmons Surviving Y2K [21:30] “‘Missing Richard Simmons’ and the Queasiness of Deep-Dive Entertainment Journalism” (Sarah Larson • New Yorker • Mar 2017) [21:40] Richard Simmons’s Disappearing Act Inspires a Hit Podcast (Sopan Deb • New York Times • Mar 2017) [21:40] “‘Missing Richard Simmons,’ the Morally Suspect Podcast” (Amanda Hess • New York Times • Mar 2017) [34:00] S-Town [46:15] Longform Podcast #44: Gay Talese [46:15] Longform Podcast #226: Terry Gross Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Maria Streshinsky is the executive editor at Wired. “Sometimes a story comes in and it’s really lovely and well done. And you think if you just got on the phone with this person and pointed out the structure is wrong here and the chronology is wrong here, ask them to change that and send them what is known at Wired as the ‘praise sandwich letter’: how wonderful something is, how much work it will need, how wonderful it will be. … It’s not the kiss of death, it’s ‘we have a lot of work to do.’ … There are lots of pieces that come in that you’ve assigned because it’s the person with the right information with the right access, and they’re a good reporter, but maybe not a terrific wordsmith. So, you do more rewriting. Then there’s the other person that’s a really lovely, lovely writer that doesn’t have the structure and the reporting so you push on that. It’s sort of a three or four-pronged thing—it depends on the piece. I will say, somewhat controversially, there aren’t that many pieces that come in pretty clean.” Thanks to MailChimp, Skagen, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @mstreshinsky Streshinsky's archive at Wired [5:40] Streshinsky's archive at Mother Jones [7:45] Streshinsky's archive at The Atlantic [8:45] "Women Aren't Welcome Here" (Amanda Hess • Pacific Standard • Jan 2014) [12:00] "How One Woman's Digital Life Was Weaponized Against Her" (Brooke Jarvis • Wired • Nov 2017) [23:05] "Inside the Two Years That Shook Facebook—and the World" (Nick Thompson & Dave Vogelstein • Wired • Feb 2018) [25:15] "Saving Lives with Tech Amid Syria's Endless Civil War" (Danny Gold • Wired • Aug 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nicholas Schmidle is a staff writer for The New Yorker. His latest article is "Virgin Galactic's Rocket Man." “I think there’s a lot more pressure that I’ve put on myself to make sure that the next [article] is better than the last one. To make sure there are sourcing standards and expectations I have for myself now that I might not have had earlier. I’m putting even more priority on building long-term relationships in which I trust an individual. ... I feel like the pieces coming in are tighter in terms of sourcing, but story selection becomes a lot more difficult. You want to do a different story.” Thanks to MailChimp, Skagen, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @nickschmidle Schmidle on Longform Longform Podcast #46: Nicholas Schmidle [2:00] "In the Crosshairs" (New Yorker • Jun 2013) [2:00] "Getting bin Laden" (New Yorker • Aug 2011) [2:20] "Virgin Galactic's Rocket Man" (New Yorker • Aug 2018) [20:45] "Michael Flynn, General Chaos" (New Yorker • Feb 2017) [24:30] A Man in Full (Tom Wolfe • Farrar, Straus & Giroux • 1998) [24:40] I Am Charlotte Simmons: A Novel (Tom Wolfe • Farrar, Straus & Giroux • 2004) [25:00] The Right Stuff (Tom Wolfe • Farrar, Straus & Giroux • 1979) [31:45] "Freedom for Tyrone Hood" (New Yorker • Jan 2015) [33:45] "A Very Rare Book" (New Yorker • Dec 2013) [37:00] The Staircase (Jean-Xavier de Lestrade • Netflix • 2004) [39:45] "The Digital Dirt" (The New Yorker • Feb 2016) [40:10] "The Kings of the Desert" (New Yorker • Apr 2015) [48:00] "Ten Borders" (New Yorker • Oct 2015) [56:20] "The Digital Vigilantes Who Hack Back" (New Yorker • May 2008) [57:00] Scrivener software Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Irin Carmon is a senior correspondent at New York Magazine, a contributor at CNN, and the co-author of Notorious RBG: The Life and Times of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. “The fact that we were part of this entire wave of reporting was actually exhilarating. Even when it was competitive. For me, my desire to do this comes out of a broader set of commitments to the world. I’m a feminist and I’m a journalist. The ability to do feminist investigative journalism felt like a gift. And it also felt like, wow, this thing I’d been working on for a long time is something that institutions—the most prestigious and well-resourced institutions—wanted to put resources to. … I think that that kind of commitment is significant in our culture because it is validating us as a point of inquiry.” Thanks to MailChimp, Skagen, TBD with Tina Brown, Screen Dive, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @irin Carmon on Longform irincarmon.com [2:20] "Eight Women Say Charlie Rose Sexually Harassed Them — With Nudity, Groping and Lewd Calls" (Washington Post • Nov 2018) [33:05] Carmon's archive at Village Voice [34:20]Carmon's archive at Women's Wear Daily [34:40] Carmon's archive at Jezebel [44:25] "College Girl's PowerPoint 'Fuck List' Goes Viral" (Jezebel • Oct 2010) [53:00] "Heidi Heitkamp Doesn’t Care That You Think She’s Going to Lose" (The Cut • Oct 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Madeleine Baran is an investigative reporter for APM Reports and the host and lead reporter of the podcast In the Dark. “We’re always thinking about first not so much the narrative, but first what did we find out and how is it important? And how can we construct a story that’s going to take people along on that and they’re going to care about it and be able to follow it. That’s a challenge in any kind of serialized podcast or film where you have one narrative arc from start to finish in a season, but you also have all these individual episodes with narrative arcs. And because we’re not novelists, we don’t get to change the facts, sometimes there are these facts you do not like cause they’re really confusing and you wish they were not that way. We spend a lot of time in storyboarding and edits and group edits and sound edits. We bring in people who don’t know what we’re doing and have them listen for mostly for clarity and confusion.” Thanks to MailChimp, Screen Dive podcast, Skagen, Squarespace, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @madeleinebaran [1:15] In the Dark podcast [22:20] Jerry Mitchell at Clarion Ledger [58:55] Caliphate podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Beth Macy is an author and former reporter at The Roanoke Times. Her latest book is Dopesick: Dealers, Doctors, and the Drug Company that Addicted America. “I learned how to interview by delivering papers. I didn’t know it was interviewing, but I would stop and talk to old people who were bored and lonely and have great conversations. I think I learned how to talk to people by delivering the papers. And there’s a certain thing you have to do when you have to collect the money and learn how to negotiate with people when you’re 11. That’s some reporting skills too.” Thanks to MailChimp, School of Art Institute of Chicago, Skagen, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @papergirlmacy [1:15] Headlong: Surviving Y2K [1:50] Dopesick: Dealers, Doctors, and the Drug Company that Addicted America (Little, Brown and Company • 2018) [2:00] Factory Man: How One Furniture Maker Battled Offshoring, Stayed Local - and Helped Save an American Town (Little, Brown and Company • 2015) [2:05] Truevine: Two Brothers, a Kidnapping, and a Mother's Quest: A True Story of the Jim Crow South (Little, Brown and Company • 2016) [3:50] Longform newsletter [22:20] Macy on Nieman Foundation [54:00] "After the Shouting" (Roanoke Times • Jun 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Paige Williams is a New Yorker staff writer and the author of The Dinosaur Artist: Obsession, Betrayal, and the Quest for Earth's Ultimate Trophy. “I was just sitting in a coffee shop and saw this thing about a Montana dinosaur thief, and thought, oh that’s really interesting, I don’t know anything about that. And I knew nothing about natural history, nothing about natural history museums. I was born and raised in Mississippi. We didn’t talk about that kind of stuff. I grew up in the Baptist church. It certainly wasn’t mentioned there. … It just was a world completely alien to me, which I love. I love going into worlds that I know nothing about, and I like to take them apart and put them back together again.” Thanks to MailChimp, Skagen, Squarespace, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @williams_paige Williams on Longform [3:30] "Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Trump’s Battering Ram" (New Yorker • Sep 2018) [9:30] "The Bizarre Tale of the ‘Dinosaur Artist’ Who Trafficked in Stolen Fossils" (Peter Brannen • New York Times • Oct 2018) [41:30] "Observer Wins Pulitzer Prize for Coverage of PTL, Bakkers" (Karen Garloch • Charlotte Observer • April 1988) [41:30] "Sketches of the New Pulitzer Winners, including 'Brown Lung: A Case of Deadly Neglect'" (New York Times • April 1981) [42:30] Nieman Fellowship [48:00] "How Waffle House Became a Cultural Icon" (Atlanta • Dec 2007) [48:45] "'You Have Thousands of Angels Around You'" (Atlanta • Oct 2007) [57:00] "Finding Dolly Freed" (Self-Published • Jan 2010) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Hagan is a correspondent at Vanity Fair and the author of Sticky Fingers: The Life and Times of Jann Wenner and Rolling Stone Magazine. “It’s the story that begins with John Lennon on the cover of Rolling Stone in 1967 and ends with Donald Trump in the White House. In many ways the book takes you there, I wanted it to. It takes you through the culture as it metastasizes into what it is now. It had a lot to do with a sense of the age of narcissism. The worship of celebrity. Jann was very into celebrity, and worshipful of it and glorifying it and turning it into a thing and eventually celebrity displaces a lot of the ideas they originally started with in my estimation. That was a narrative thread that I began to pull in the book.” Thanks to MailChimp, Skagen, Screen Dive, Stoner, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @joehagansays Hagan on Longform [09:45] "Blues Cruise" (New York • Dec 2012) [09:50] "Shipping Out" (David Foster Wallace • Harper's • Jan 1996) [11:10] Among the Thugs (Bill Buford • Vintage • 1993) [16:25] "An Incorrect Artifact With Aging Fans" (New York Times • Oct 2000) [22:10] "The Long, Lawless Ride of Sheriff Joe Arpaio" (Rolling Stone • Aug 2012) [25:45] "Tenacious G" (New York • Jul 2009) [33:35] Positively 4th Street: The Lives and Times of Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Mimi Baez Fariña, and Richard Fariña (David Hajdu • Picador • 2011) [42:20] Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas: A Savage Journey to the Heart of the American Dream (Hunter S. Thompson • Random House • 1972) [1:09:30] "The Trouble With Johnny Depp" (Stephen Rodrick • Rolling Stone • Jun 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Elizabeth Kolbert, author of Field Notes from a Catastrophe: Man, Nature, and Climate Change and The Sixth Extinction: An Unnatural History, is a staff writer at The New Yorker. “I still nurse the idea in my heart of hearts that something you write, that there’s some key to this all. We’re all looking for the skeleton key that’s going to unlock it, and people will go, ‘Oh, that’s why we have to do something!’ I don’t want to say that I completely dispensed with that. I think that’s what motivates most journalists—this information is going to somehow make a difference. On the other hand, I have dispensed a lot of that. Now we’re so deep into all of this. The more you know about climate change and the numbers involved and the scale involved of what we need to do to really mitigate this problem, you know that we’re moving in absolutely the wrong direction. It’s not like we’re moving slowly, we’re moving in the wrong direction. It’s very hard to say anything I write is going to turn this battleship around.” Thanks to MailChimp, Skagen, Squarespace, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @ElizKolbert Kolbert on Longform [0:10]The TED Interview [0:45]Underdog [2:20] The Sixth Extinction: An Unnatural History (Picador • 2014) [2:25] Field Notes from a Catastrophe: Man, Nature, and Climate Change (Bloomsbury • 2006) [7:55] "The Fate of Earth" (New Yorker • Oct 2017) [22:30] "The Calculator" (New Yorker • Nov 2002) [28:45] The End of Nature (Bill McKibben • Random House • 2006) [40:05] "The Climate of Man" (New Yorker • Apr 2005) [40:20] "The Darkening Sea" (New Yorker • Nov 2006) [40:30] "Enter the Anthropocene—Age of Man" (National Geographic • Nov 2006) [40:30] No Immediate Danger: Volume One of Carbon Ideologies (William Vollman • Viking • 2018) [40:35] No Good Alternative: Volume Two of Carbon Ideologies (William Vollman • Viking • 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lisa Brennan-Jobs is a New York-based writer. Her new book Small Fry is about her childhood and her relationship with her father, Steve Jobs. "You find yourself in a whole net, in a constellation of stories, each one connecting to another. It was amazing how much I remembered. Sometimes I meet people and they say, goodness, I can’t even remember what I had for lunch. How can you remember so much? And I think, oh, sit down for a while writing badly and you will remember and remember and remember. Some things weren’t terribly pleasant to remember. And some things were incredibly wonderful." Thanks to MailChimp, Under My Skin, Skagen, Sleeping Beauty Dreams, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @LisaBrennanJobs Brennan-Jobs on Longform [1:35] Small Fry (Grove Press • 2018) [48:55] "Growing Up Jobs" (Vanity Fair • Sep 2018) [49:00] "In ‘Small Fry,’ Steve Jobs Comes Across as a Jerk. His Daughter Forgives Him. Should We?" (Nellie Bowles • The New York Times • Aug 2018) [56:15] Steve Jobs (Walter Isaacson • Simon & Schuster • 2011) [56:20] Steve Jobs (Aaron Sorkin • Universal Pictures • 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Liana Finck writes for The New Yorker. Her new book is Passing for Human: A Graphic Memoir. "I was drawing since I was 10 months old. My mom had left this vibrant community of architects and art people to live in this idyllic country setting with my dad, and she poured all of her art feelings into me. She really praised me for being this baby genius, which I may or may not have been. But I grew up thinking I was an amazing artist. There weren’t any other artists around besides my mom, so I didn’t have anything to compare it to. There were no art classes around. … I was so shy, so I was just always drawing and making things." Thanks to MailChimp, Lean In podcast, Under My Skin, Skagen, Squarespace, Sleeping Beauty Dreams, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @lianafinck [2:10]Finck's archive at The New Yorker [2:15]Finck on Instagram [2:25]Passing for Human: A Graphic Memoir (Random House • 2018) [3:20] "The Silk Road's Dark-Web Dream Is Dead" (Andy Greenburg • Wired • Jan 2016) [3:25] "The Untold Story of NotPetya, the Most Devastating Cyberattack in History" (Andy Greenburg • Wired • Aug 2018) [13:40] "What I Miss: A List" (Catapult • Apr 2018) [43:05] Very Semi-Serious (The New Yorker • 2015) [53:00] "Dear Pepper: Airport Pickups, Where to Live, and Departed Dogs" (The New Yorker • Aug 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rebecca Traister is a writer at New York. Her new book is Good and Mad: The Revolutionary Power of Women's Anger. “I don’t want my experience to be held up as so, ladies, your new health regimen is rage all day. Because the fact is we live in a world that does punish women for expressing their anger, that denies them jobs, that attaches to them bad reputations as difficult-to-work-with, crazy bitches. Because they’re reasonably angry about something they have every reason to be angry about. We live in a world in which black women’s anger is either caricatured and they get written off as cartoons, or regarded as threats and face steep, often physical penalties for expressing dissent or dissatisfaction. When I talk about this, I don’t mean it to be prescriptive, I mean it to be descriptive of a particular experience I had that was extraordinarily unusual but which made me question a premise that I think all of us internalize that the anger is bad for us. I no longer believe that that’s true.” Thanks to MailChimp, Skagen, Under My Skin, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @rtraister Traister on Longform [2:30] Good and Mad: The Revolutionary Power of Women's Anger (Rebecca Traister • 2018) [7:55] "What a Good Boy" (The Cut • Sep 2018) [26:50]Traister's archive at Observer [29:05]Traister's archive at Salon [32:50] "Hillary Clinton Didn’t Shatter the Glass Ceiling. This Is What Broke Instead." (The Cut • Nov 2016) [35:50] "Michelle Obama Gets Real" (Salon • Nov 2007) [38:55] Big Girls Don't Cry: The Election that Changed Everything for American Women (Free Press • 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jerry Saltz is a Pulitzer-winning art critic for New York. “To this day I wake up early and I have to get to my desk to write almost immediately. I mean fast. Before the demons get me. I got to get writing. And once I’ve written almost anything, I’ll pretty much write all day, I don’t leave my desk, I have no other life. I’m not part of the world except when I go to see shows.” Thanks to MailChimp, TapeACall, The Dream, Squarespace, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @jerrysaltz Saltz on Instagram Saltz on Longform [2:35] Saltz's archive at New York Magazine [12:50] Jerry Saltz YOUNG-HOFFMAN GALLERY AND N.A.M.E. GALLERY (Art Forum Magazine • Dec 1977) [1:01:35] Saltz's archive at The Village Voice Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Eli Saslow is a Pulitzer-winning feature writer for the Washington Post. His new book is Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist. “If I'm writing about somebody once for 5,000 words in the Washington Post — someone who's addicted to drugs, say — I am choosing in the public eye where their story ends. Like, that's it. People aren't going to know any more. That's where I'm going to leave them being written about. And of course, that is inherently artificial — nothing ends, their life is continuing. This is just where the narrative ends. I recognize the weight in ways that maybe I didn’t before.” Thanks to MailChimp, Outside the Box, Squarespace, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @elisaslow Saslow on Longform Longform Podcast #57: Eli Saslow Saslow's Washington Post archive [1:20] Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist (Doubleday • 2018) [18:00] ‘It Was My Job, and I Didn’t Find Him’: Stoneman Douglas Resource Officer Remains Haunted by Massacre (Washington Post • Jun 2018) [25:55] The White Flight of Derek Black (Washington Post • Oct 2016) [33:20] Gun Violence’s Distant Echo (Washington Post • May 2016) [48:15] ‘You’re One of Us Now' (Washington Post • Aug 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jeanne Marie Laskas writes for GQ and the New York Times Magazine. Her new book is To Obama: With Love, Joy, Anger, and Hope. “I hate saying this out loud, but it’s true: I’m really shy. Fundamentally, I'm 100% scared most of the time. I’m scared and wondering how I can not be noticed because I don’t know what to say and I’m shy. If you say I’m a good listener, that's why … I become more invisible so I’m more comfortable.” Thanks to MailChimp, Techmeme Ride Home Podcast, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @jmlaskas Longform Podcast #9: Jeanne Marie Laskas Laskas on Longform jeannemarielaskas.com [2:10] Concussion (Random House • 2015) [2:20] To Obama: With Love, Joy, Anger, and Hope (Random House • 2018) [2:30] "To Obama With Love, and Hate, and Desperation" (New York Times Magazine • Jan 2017) [23:20] "Have You Heard the One About President Joe Biden?" (GQ • Jul 2013) [43:20] "Guns 'R Us" (GQ • Aug 2012) [43:25] "Inside the Federal Bureau Of Way Too Many Guns" (GQ • Aug 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Elif Batuman is a novelist and a staff writer at The New Yorker. Her latest article is “Japan’s Rent-a-Family Industry.” “I hear novelists say things sometimes like the character does something they don’t expect. It’s like talking to people who have done ayahuasca or belong to some cult. That’s how I felt about it until extremely recently. All of these people have drunk some kind of Kool Aid where they’re like, ‘I’m in this trippy zone where characters are doing things.’ And I would think to myself, if they were men—Wow, this person has devised this really ingenious way to avoid self-knowledge. If they were women, I would think—Wow, this woman has found an ingenious way to become complicit in her own bullying and silencing. It’s only kind of recently—and with a lot of therapy actually—that I’ve come to see that there is a mode of fiction that I can imagine participating in where, once I’ve freed myself of a certain amount of stuff I feel like I have to write about, which has gotten quite large by this point, it would be fun to make things up and play around.” Thanks to MailChimp, Google Play, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @BananaKarenina Batuman on Longform Batuman's archive at The New Yorker Batuman's archive at Harper's Batuman's archive at London Review of Books [1:00] “Japan’s Rent-a-Family Industry” (The New Yorker • Apr 2018) [10:00] The Possessed: Adventures with Russian Books and the People Who Read Them (Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2010) [10:00] The Demons (Fyodor Dostoevsky • The Russian Messenger • 1812) [11:00] The Idiot (Penguin Book • 2017) [14:00] Factual Fictions: The Origins of the English Novel (Lennard Davis • Columbia University Press • 1983) [20:00] The Exception (Christian Jungersen • Anchor • 2008) [21:00] The End of the Story: A Novel (Lydia Davis • Picador • 2004) [27:00] Culture and Imperialism (Edward Said • Vintage • 1994) [28:00] Either/Or: A Fragment of Life (Soren Kierkegaard • Victor Eremita • 1843) [29:00] Scrivener Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jon Caramanica is a music writer at The New York Times. “I like to interview people very early in their careers or very late in their careers. I think vulnerability and willingness to be vulnerable is at a peak in those two parts. Young enough not to know better, old enough not to give a damn. … The story I want to tell is—how are you this person, and then you became this? Then at the end, let’s look back on these things and let’s paint the art together. But in the middle when your primary obsession is how do I protect my role? How do I keep my spot? How do I keep the throne? I’m not as interested in that personally as a journalist or as a critic. ” Thanks to MailChimp, Read This Summer, Google Play, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @joncaramanica Caramanica on Longform [3:35] "The Education of Kanye West" (New York Times • Aug 2007) [4:00] Caramanica's archive at The New York Times [4:05] Popcast [13:30] "Pitched to Perfection: Pop Star's Silent Partner" (New York Times • Jun 2012) [25:45] "Two SoundCloud Rap Outlaws Push Boundaries From the Fringes" (New York Times • Mar 2018) [28:45] "Dick Cavett in the Digital Age" (Alex Williams • New York Times • Aug 2018) [28:55] "Hip-Hop’s Elders and Youth Go to Battle (Again)" (New York Times • Jan 2017) [34:10] "Into the Wild With Kanye West" (New York Times • Jun 2018) [57:10] "Post Malone and Rae Sremmurd, Hip-Hop Impressionists Shaping the Stream" (New York Times • May 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jeff Maysh is a freelance writer based in Los Angeles. His latest article is "How an Ex-Cop Rigged McDonald’s Monopoly Game and Stole Millions." “I’ve always looked for stories with the theme of identity and identity theft. I’m very interested in people leading double lives. All of my stories are the same in a sense. Whether that’s a spy or a fake cheerleader or a bank robber or even a wrestler, someone is pretending to be someone they’re not, leading a double life. I find that really exciting. I’m drawn to characters who put on a disguise.” Thanks to MailChimp, Read This Summer, Google Play, Pitt Writers, and Coin Talk for sponsoring this week's episode. @jeffmaysh Maysh on Longform jeffmaysh.com [1:15] "The Half-Time Hero" (Howler • Sep 2013) [1:45] "How an Ex-Cop Rigged McDonald’s Monopoly Game and Stole Millions" (The Daily Beast • Jul 2017) [6:20] "A Catfishing With a Happy Ending" (The Atlantic • Oct 2017) [19:55] "America Is Bull" (Jeanne Marie Laskas • Esquire • Jan 2007) [27:55] Epic Magazine [29:50] "Behind Hollywood’s A-List Bidding War for a McDonald’s Monopoly Article" (Chris Lee • Vulture • Aug 2018) [30:30] "Elizabeth Banks To Star In & Produce Paramount Players Pic On The Day A Wyoming Hotel Maid Won A Dream Date With Prince" (Mike Flemming Jr. • Deadline • Aug 2018) [38:25] "The Cop Who Became a Robber" (Los Angeles Magazine • Aug 2017) [39:35] The Spy With No Name (Kindle Singles • 2018) [40:30] "The Rise and Fall of the Bombshell Bandit" (BBC News • Apr 2015) [49:45] "The Long Fall of One-Eleven Heavy" (Michael Paterniti • Esquire • Jun 2009) [50:30] "Murder House" (Medium • Sep 2015) [53:35] "The Counterfeit Queen of Soul" (Smithsonian Magazine • Jul 2018) [57:55] "The Scarface of Sex: The Millionaire Playboy Who Murdered His Way to the Top of Porn" (Daily Beast • Jun 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

David Marchese is the interviewer for New York's "In Conversation" series. "The thing I like about doing long interviews with people is that each one feels like a totally unique experience to me. It’s not like I go into an interview and already know the arc of the story I’m going to tell, and I’m going to just fill that in the best I can. I have ideas of what to talk about and what the conversation might entail, but it does feel like I’m starting at zero and the conversation can go anywhere.” Thanks to MailChimp, Read This Summer, Google Play, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @david_marchese Marchese on Longform [2:40] Marchese on Vulture [3:30] Marchese on Salon [3:35] Marchese on Spin [6:40] "In Conversation: John Oliver" (Vulture • Feb 2016) [7:00] "In Conversation: Louis C.K." (Vulture • Jun 2016) [7:10] "In Conversation: David Letterman" (Vulture • Mar 2017) [8:10] "In Conversation: Julian Casablancas" (Vulture • Mar 2018) [12:10] "In Conversation: Jeff Goldblum" (Vulture • Jun 2018) [12:35] "In Conversation: Billy Joel" (Vulture • Jul 2018) [16:00] "The Billy Joel Essays: Essays from Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs" (Chuck Klosterman • Scribner • Jul 2018) [17:35] "In Conversation: Kathleen Turner" (Vulture • Aug 2018) [35:40] "In Conversation: Dave Matthews" (Vulture • May 2018) [45:15] "The SPIN Interview: Lou Reed" (Spin • Nov 2008) [50:30] "In Conversation: Quincey Jones" (Vulture • Feb 2018) [50:45] "In Conversation: John Cleese" (Vulture • Sep 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nathaniel Rich is a novelist and a writer-at-large for The New York Times Magazine. His most recent article is "Losing Earth: The Decade We Almost Stopped Climate Change." “There’s a huge opportunity with climate change because we talk a lot about the political issue with it, the industry story and the scientific story, but we don’t talk about the human story. And I would say that not only is it a big human story, but it is the human story. ... With every step of the ladder that we’ve advanced, we’re borrowing from our future. I don’t think we’ve reckoned with that in a serious way.” Thanks to MailChimp, Read This Summer, Google Play, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @NathanielRich nathanielrich.com Rich on Longform Longform Podcast #96: Nathaniel Rich [00:30] King Zeno (MCD • 2018) [1:30] "Losing Earth: The Decade We Almost Stopped Climate Change" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2018) [4:10] "Fractured Lands: How the Arab World Came Apart" (Scott Anderson • New York Times Magazine • Aug 2018) [45:30] "The Problem With The New York Times’ Big Story on Climate Change" (Robinson Meyer • The Atlantic • Aug 2018) [57:59] No Immediate Danger: Volume One of Carbon Ideologies (William Vollmann • Viking • 2018) [58:00] No Good Alternative: Volume Two of Carbon Ideologies (William Vollmann • Viking • 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Laura June is author of Now My Heart Is Full. “Parenting wasn’t considered literary fodder for a long time. I think women in particular are raised not to complain. Which is not what I was doing. If you have to boil it down, it’s base emotion. Then you’re complaining about how hard it is. Or, the opposite end, you’re bragging. There’s no in between. Most of my writing is in between.” Thanks to MailChimp, Read This Summer, Google Play, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode. @laura_june June on Longform [1:25] June on The Verge [1:25] "For Amusement Only" (The Verge • Jan 2013) [2:10] Now My Heart Is Full [2:40] Topolsky on Longform [3:15] June's archive at The Cut [11:00] June's archive at The Awl Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rukmini Callimachi covers ISIS for The New York Times and is the host of Caliphate. “My major takeaway that I have come away with in this work is go to the enemy. Talk to the enemy. I think that the way that Al Qaeda and ISIS is typically covered is by reporters who just speak to officials in Washington. ... That’s only one side of the story. And I have learned so much by seeking out their documents, reading their propaganda ... speaking to them themselves.” Thanks to MailChimp, Read This Summer, Google Play, and Stitcher Premium for sponsoring this week's episode. @rcallimachi Callimachi on Longform [3:15] Longform Podcast #129: Rukmini Callimachi (February 2015) [3:30] Caliphate [8:30] The Daily [25:00] “Justice for Our Children, Killed by ISIS” (New York Times • February 2018) [27:45] Shoah (Claude Lanzmann • April 1985) [28:15] The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (William Shirer • 1960) [31:00] “Thousands of Children Work in African Gold Mines”(New York Times • August 2008) [1:12:45] “The Looming Tower: Al Qaeda and the Road to 9/11” (Lawrence Wright • 2006) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Megan Greenwell is the editor-in-chief of Deadspin. “I’m the first external hire to be the EIC in Deadspin history, so not everybody knew me or knew anything about my work. I don’t think there was resistance to me being hired, but I do think when you’re coming in from outside, there’s a need to say, ‘Hey, no, I can do this.’ Somebody told me about a management adage at one point: everybody tries to prove that they’re competent when they first start, and what you actually have to prove is you’re trustworthy. That is something that I think about all the time.” Thanks to MailChimp, Read This Summer, Google Play, and Stitcher Premium for sponsoring this week's episode. @megreenwell Greenwell on Longform Deadspin [4:30] Press Release: "Univision to Explore Potential Sale of Gizmodo Media Group and The Onion" (July 2018) [23:00] "Welcome to Deadspin. We Come With a Pure Heart and Mirthful Disposition" (Will Leitch • Sep 2005) [33:00] "The Marathon of Their Lives" (David Fleming • ESPN • Oct 2013) [40:45] "How Things Went Bad at GOOD Magazine, What's Next for Fired Staff and the Company They Left" (Andrew Beaujon • Poynter • Jun 2012) [44:00] "Water's Edge (Taffy Brodesser-Akner • ESPN • Mar 2016) [44:00] "You Can Only Hope to Contain Them" (Amanda Hess • ESPN • Jul 2013) [46:00] "Me, My Father, and Russell Wilson" (Mina Kimes • Slate • Jan 2014) [49:45] "One Mission, Two Newsrooms" (Erik Wemple • Washington City Paper • Feb 2008) [56:30] "Fear Drives Baghdad's Housing Bust" (Washington Post • Sep 2007) [1:03:30] Greenwell's thread about leaving Esquire [1:04:30] "Extra! Extra!" (Alex Foege • People • Mar 2000) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bryan Fogel is the Oscar-winning director of Icarus. “There was a long period of time that none of us were really thinking so much about the film. It was really that we were in a real-world crisis. Gregory's life was essentially in my hands.” Thanks to MailChimp, Read This Summer, Google Play, and Stitcher Premium for sponsoring this week's episode. @bryanfogel icarus.film Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rachel Kaadzi Ghansah is an essayist. Her 2017 GQ piece “A Most American Terrorist: The Making of Dylann Roof” won the National Magazine Award and the Pulitzer Prize. “I remember feeling like ‘you’re playing chess with evil, and you gotta win.’ Because this is the most terrible thing I’d ever seen. And I was so mad. I still get so mad. Words aren’t enough. I’m angry about it. I can’t do anything to Dylann Roof, physically, so this is what I could do.” Thanks to MailChimp, Read This Summer, and Netflix for sponsoring this week's episode. the-rachelkaadzighansah.tumblr.com Kaadzi Ghansah on Longform Longform Podcast #101: Rachel Kaadzi Ghansah "A Most American Terrorist: The Making of Dylann Roof" (GQ • Aug 2017) [21:30] "America’s Most Political Food" (Lauren Collins • New Yorker • Apr 2017) [23:15] Light in August (William Faulkner • Random House • 1990) [43:30] "The Rise of the Valkyries" (Seyward Darby • Harper’s • Sep 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May Jeong is a magazine writer and investigative reporter. “I don’t have kids, I don’t have an expensive drug habit. Everything that I do right now at this moment in my life is to serve the story. That means that sometimes I’m not the best partner. I’m not the best friend. I’m a really terrible daughter probably. If my parents had a satisfaction survey, I don’t think I’d rank really high. I have friends who are buying houses and stuff. I’m very far away from that. What else have I sacrificed? I don’t know. Sometimes I let my body atrophy because I’m on the road all the time. I think I can do it for five more years. I’m 30, so thing will have to change.” Thanks to MailChimp, Read This Summer, Casper, and You Can't Make This Up for sponsoring this week's episode. Also: Longform Podcast t-shirts are still available! @mayjeong mayreports.com May Jeong on Longform May Jeong's archive at The Intercept [01:50] "The Final, Terrible Voyage of the Nautilus" (Wired • Feb 2015) [14:00] Nathan Thornburgh on Longform [17:45] May Jeong's archive at The New Yorker [24:30] "Death from the Sky" (The Intercept • Apr 2016) [36:15] "The Avenger" (Patrick Radden Keefe • The New Yorker • Sep 2015) [41:30] "Losing Sight" (The Intercept • Jan 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Helen Rosner is a food correspondent at The New Yorker. “I believe the things that are really important to me are structure over all and—forgive me, I’ve said this on other podcasts before—if I were going to get a tattoo this is what I would get a tattoo of is that it doesn’t matter what you say, it only matters what they hear. It’s my job to make sure the gulf between those two things is as narrow as possible and there’s as little ambiguity between what I say and what you hear. It’s never easy, but it’s certainly easier in the realm of arguable objectivity. To create emotion in a reader requires a huge amount of really thoughtful work on the part of the writer in a way that forces you as a writer to remove yourself from the emotion you’re creating in the reader. If I to set you up for sadness, I have to create emotional stakes. I have to create investment in whoever I’m talking about or whatever the story’s about. The craft of making stakes and setting up a potential downfall, a potential loss, whatever it may be I think is not something you can do well if you’re feeling the feeling you’re trying to create in the reader.” Thanks to MailChimp, Read This Summer, and You Can't Make This Up for sponsoring this week's episode. Also: very rare, very exclusive Longform Podcast t-shirts are still available! @helsn Rosner on Longform Helen Rosner's official site Helen Rosner's archive at The New Yorker [06:15] Menu Pages [08:40] Helen Rosner's archive at New York Magazine [12:35] Helen Rosner's archive at Saveur [19:40] "The Exquisite Blankness (and Highly Suspect Guacamole) of Antoni Porowski from 'Queer Eye'" (The New Yorker • Mar 2018) [32:10] "The Best Time I Got a Bikini Wax" (The Hairpin • Mar 2011) [33:15] Helen Rosner's archive at Eater [38:30] "There’s nothing good in cooking, but there are no other options." (Sandra Zhao • Eater • Aug 2016) [40:20] "One Night at Kachka" (Erin DeJesus with Danielle Centoni and Jen Stevenson • Eater • Jun 2015) [49:55] "On Chicken Tenders" (Guernica Mag • Jun 2015) [51:00] The Boundaries of Taste [1:06:10] The Phantom Tollbooth (Norton Juster • Random House • 1961) [1:16:20] "An MSG Convert Visits the High Church of Umami" (The New Yorker • Apr 2018) [1:16:30] "Christ in the Garden of Endless Breadsticks" (Eater • Oct 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Reeves Wiedeman is a reporter at New York. “I think the main reason I love the job is reporting. And the fact that you get to go out into situations that you wouldn’t otherwise as your job. I’m someone who gets antsy if I’m just on a vacation sitting around. I’d much rather go somewhere weird and kind of have a purpose. So, just feeling like you can kind of go anywhere and see anything and talk to anyone is a pretty cool way to live your day.” Thanks to MailChimp, Pitt Writers, Thermacell, and Best Self for sponsoring this week's episode. @reeveswiedeman Wiedeman on Longform Wiedeman's archive at New York Magazine Wiedeman's archive at The New Yorker [01:10] “The Sand Hook Hoax” (New York Magazine • Sep 2017) [04:00] “The Dirtbag Left’s Man in Syria” (New York Magazine • Apr 2017) [04:05] “Gray Hat” (New York Magazine • Mar 2018) [09:25] Brian Krebs on Security [09:30] Motherboard [16:35] “The Rockefellers vs. the Company That Made Them Rockefellers” (New York Magazine • Jan 2018) [19:20] Kansas City Star [30:05] “The Great Whiskey Heist” (Men's Journal • Jan 2016) [31:10] “A Full Revolution” (The New Yorker • May 2016) [31:45] “Meet the Prom Queen of Instagram” (New York Magazine • Sep 2015) [34:10] Chronicle of Higher Education [37:35] “The Dime Store Floor” (David Owen • The New Yorker • Jan 2010) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Elif Batuman is a novelist and a staff writer at The New Yorker. Her latest article is “Japan’s Rent-a-Family Industry.” “I hear novelists say things sometimes like the character does something they don’t expect. It’s like talking to people who have done ayahuasca or belong to some cult. That’s how I felt about it until extremely recently. All of these people have drunk some kind of Kool Aid where they’re like, ‘I’m in this trippy zone where characters are doing things.’ And I would think to myself, if they were men—Wow, this person has devised this really ingenious way to avoid self-knowledge. If they were women, I would think—Wow, this woman has found an ingenious way to become complicit in her own bullying and silencing. It’s only kind of recently—and with a lot of therapy actually—that I’ve come to see that there is a mode of fiction that I can imagine participating in where, once I’ve freed myself of a certain amount of stuff I feel like I have to write about, which has gotten quite large by this point, it would be fun to make things up and play around.” Thanks to MailChimp, , and Skillshare for sponsoring this week's episode. Also: Longform Podcast t-shirts are available for just a few more days! @BananaKarenina Batuman on Longform Batuman's archive at The New Yorker Batuman's archive at Harper's Batuman's archive at London Review of Books Longform Podcast t-shirts [2:30] “Japan’s Rent-a-Family Industry” (The New Yorker • Apr 2018) [12:10] The Possessed: Adventures with Russian Books and the People Who Read Them (Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2010) [12:15] The Demons (Fyodor Dostoevsky • The Russian Messenger • 1812) [13:25] The Idiot (Penguin Book • 2017) [16:20] Factual Fictions: The Origins of the English Novel (Lennard Davis • Columbia University Press • 1983) [22:20] The Exception (Christian Jungersen • Anchor • 2008) [23:30] The End of the Story: A Novel (Lydia Davis • Picador • 2004) [29:15] Culture and Imperialism (Edward Said • Vintage • 1994) [29:55] Either/Or: A Fragment of Life (Soren Kierkegaard • Victor Eremita • 1843) [30:35] Nadja (Andre Breton • Grove Press • 1960) [40:50] Scrivener Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Leon Neyfakh is a writer and the host of Slow Burn. “We didn’t want to be coy about why we were doing the show. We wanted to be up front. We’re interested in this era because it seems like the last time in our nation’s history where things were this wild and the news was this rapid fire and the outcome was this uncertain. That was the main parallel we were thinking about when we started. It was only when we started learning the story and identified the turning points we kept running into these obvious parallels. We mostly didn’t lean into them. We didn’t chase them. There wasn’t a quota of parallels per episode.” Thanks to MailChimp, MUBI, and Thermacell for sponsoring this week's episode. Also: Longform Podcast t-shirts are now available for a limited time only! @leoncrawl Leon Neyfakh on Longform Longform Podcast t-shirts [02:05] Slow Burn [03:00] The Next Next Level (Melville House • 2015) [20:55] All the President's Men (Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein • Simon & Schuster • 1974) [22:05] Nightmare: The Underside of the Nixon Years (J. Anthony Lukas • Viking • 1976) [22:05] Wars of Watergate (Stanley Kutler • Norton • 1992) [22:15] The Dick Cavett Show [30:25] Leon Neyfakh's archive at New York Observer [31:40] “Three HarperCollins Imprints Face Off For $2.5 Million Sarah Silverman Book” (Observer • Nov 2008) [38:40] “The Sadness of T-Pain” (The New Yorker • Mar 2004) [38:45] “Peak Drake” (The Fader • Sep 2015) [38:50] “Rae of Light” (Maxim • Apr 2015) [38:55] “Mr. Muthafuckin' eXquire's Music Biz Misadventures” (Rolling Stone • Jun 2014) [47:15] “Who Will Survive When Migos Meets Big Data?” (The Fader • Nov 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

James Fallows, a national correspondent for The Atlantic, and Deborah Fallows, a linguist and writer, are the co-authors of Our Towns: A 100,000-Mile Journey into the Heart of America. “The credo of reporting—you know, what you don’t know till you show it—that’s my 'this-I-believe.' That’s the reason I’ve stayed in this line of work for this many decades because there’s nothing more fascinating that you can do but to serially satisfy your curiosity about things. What’s it like on an aircraft carrier? What’s it like in a Chinese coalmine? What’s it like in a giant data center in Wyoming? What is it like in all of these things? And journalism gives you a structural excuse to go do those.” Thanks to MailChimp, MUBI, Best Self Journal, and Thermacell for sponsoring this week's episode. Also: Longform Podcast t-shirts are now available! @JamesFallows @FallowsDeb James Fallows on Longform Longform Podcast t-shirts [02:15] Our Towns: A 100,000-Mile Journey into the Heart of America (Pantheon • 2018) [09:25] The Reinvention of America (New Yorker • May 2018) [19:40] James Fallows's archive at The Atlantic [27:20] Tears of Autum (Charles McCarry • E.P. Dutton • 1974) [34:35] James Fallows's archive at Washington Monthly [38:20] "Lloyd Bentsen: Can Another Texan Apply?" (The Atlantic • Dec 1974) [44:05] “The Passionless Presidency” (The Atlantic • May 1979) [58:25] Redlands Daily Facts [58:45] The Morning Call [59:05] Seven Days [59:15] Erie Reader Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sheila Heti is the author of seven books. Her latest is Motherhood: A Novel. “[My parents] were afraid for me. As anybody who has a kid who wants to be a writer. I think they understood it was a hard life. It was a life in which you wouldn’t necessarily make enough money. It was a life in which you might be setting yourself up for a great amount of disappointment. My dad’s father was a painter, so there was in him this idea that it wasn’t so crazy to him. It wasn’t so outside his understanding. And, yeah, my mom thought it was a bad idea. And it probably is a bad idea in a lot of ways, but my dad was supportive but also cautioning. I think the book really moved [my mom] and really had an effect on her, so maybe you understand that it’s not necessarily a frivolous thing to be doing. Maybe it’s not just playing. I think my mom always had this idea that writing is playing, and it is playing, but it’s a serious kind of playing.” Thanks to MailChimp, MUBI, and Tripping.com for sponsoring this week's episode. @sheilaheti Heti on Longform [01:40] How Should a Person Be?: A Novel from Life (Henry Holt and Co. • 2012) [01:45] Motherhood: A Novel (Henry Holt and Co. • 2018) [2:50] Sheila Heti’s archive at The Believer [07:30] The Middle Stories (McSweeny’s • 2012) [07:35] Ticknor (House of Anansi Press • 2005) [09:10] Let It Come Down: The Life of Paul Bowles (Jennifer Baichwal • Zeitgeist Films • 2003) [36:50] Emergency Contact (Mary H. K. Choi • Simon & Schuster Books for Young Readers • 2018) [42:35] Da Ali G Show (Sacha Baron Cohen • Channel 4 • 2000) [46:00] "Finding Raffi" (New York Magazine • Dec 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Adam Davidson is a staff writer at The New Yorker. “I am as shocked this moment that Trump was elected as I was the moment he was elected. That fundamental state of shock. It’s like there’s a pile of putrid, rotting human feces on a table and like six of the people around the table are like, ‘That is disgusting.’ And four are like ‘Oh it’s so delicious. Oh, I love it. It’s delicious.’ And I keep saying, ‘Well, why do you like it?’ ... Trump is not a very interesting person in my mind. He’s a very simple, one of the most simple public figures ever. And his business is complex that in that it’s lots of people doing lots of things, but the fundamental nature of it is not that mysterious. So, it is a challenge to keep me engaged, but I’m engaged. And then as a citizen, I’ve never been more engaged.” Thanks to MailChimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @adamdavidson [0:21] Adam Davidson's archive at The New Yorker [00:35] The Big Short (Paramount• 2015) [00:43] Surprisingly Awesome podcast archive at Gimlet Media [00:47] Planet Money [00:51] WBEZ Chicago [00:53] This American Life [0:55] Adam Davidson’s archive at Harper’s [01:35] "Donald Trump’s Worst Deal" (The New Yorker • Mar 2017) [04:15] "Michael Cohen and the End Stage of the Trump Presidency" (The New Yorker • Apr 2018) [26:17] Adam Davidson’s archive at NPR [31:48] Marketplace [34:44] Ben Taub on Longform [39:48] "Making It In America" (The Atlantic• Jan 2012) [41:42] Ira Glass’s Archive at This American Life [42:37] Thriveal Podcast [45:19] Zoe Chace on Longform [45:35] Losers: The Road to Everyplace but the White House (Michael Lewis • Vintage • 1998) [51:13] We The Economy (Cinelan• 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lauren Hilgers is a journalist and the author of Patriot Number One: American Dreams in Chinatown. “You just need to spend a lot of time with people. And it’s awkward. I read something when I was first starting out as a journalist in China, ‘Make a discipline out of being uncomfortable.’ I think that’s very helpful. You’re going to feel uncomfortable a lot of the time, and just decide to be okay with it and just keep going with it.” Thanks to MailChimp, Substack, and Skillshare for sponsoring this week's episode. @lehilgers Hilgers on Longform [01:10] "The Kitchen Network" (The New Yorker • Oct 2014) [02:00] Patriot Number One: American Dreams in Chinatown (Crown • 2018) [39:55] "The Unraveling of Bo Xilai" (Harper’s Magazine • March 2013)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charlie Warzel is a senior tech writer for BuzzFeed. “Part of the big tech reckoning that we’re seeing since the election isn’t really about the election, it isn’t really about Trump or politics. It’s more about this idea that: Wow, these services have incredibly real consequences in our everyday lives. I think that realization is really profound and is going to shape how we try to figure out what it means to be online from here on out. To keep stories relevant, we have to keep that in mind and try to figure out how to speak to that audience and guide them through that reckoning.” Thanks to MailChimp and Tripping.com for sponsoring this week's episode. @cwarzel Warzel on Longform [01:45] Stoner [01:45] Coin Talk [06:25] Warzel’s BuzzFeed Archive [10:20] "Pornhub Banned Deepfake Celebrity Sex Videos, But The Site Is Still Full Of Them" (BuzzFeed • April 2018) [11:50] "The Disturbing Misogynist History Of GamerGate's Goodwill Ambassadors" (Joseph Berstein • BuzzFeed • Oct 2014) [13:05] "Here's How Breitbart And Milo Smuggled Nazi and White Nationalist Ideas Into The Mainstream" (Joseph Berstein • BuzzFeed • Oct 2017) [19:00] "YouTube Is Addressing Its Massive Child Exploitation Problem" (BuzzFeed • Nov 2017) [25:30] "Trump's Antagonistic Tweet Tests The Limits of Twitter's Rules" (BuzzFeed • Dec 2016) [26:35] "Inside The Chaotic Battle To Be The Top Reply To A Trump Tweet" (BuzzFeed • June 2017) [27:45] "Alex Jones Just Can't Help Himself" (BuzzFeed • May 2017) [27:55] Longform Podcast #129: Rukmini Callimachi (Part 1) [32:45] "The Case For Interviewing Alex Jones" (BuzzFeed • June 2017) [38:55] "Scammers Are Impersonating Elon Musk And Donald Trump To Take Your Bitcoin" (Ryan Mac, Charlie Warzel • BuzzFeed • Feb 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michelle Dean is a journalist and critic. Her new book is Sharp: The Women Who Made an Art of Having an Opinion. “There isn’t one answer. I wish there was one answer. The answer is: You just have to wing it. And I’m learning that — I’m learning to be okay with the winging it. ... I guess the lesson to me of what went on with a lot of women in the book is: You have to be comfortable with the fact that some days are going to be good, and some days are going to not be good.” Thanks to MailChimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @michelledean michelledean.tumblr.com Dean on Longform [00:45] Sharp: The Women Who Made an Art of Having an Opinion (Grove Press • 2018) [01:35] "Dee Dee Wanted Her Daughter To Be Sick, Gypsy Wanted Her Mom To Be Murdered" (Buzzfeed • Aug 2016) [08:10] annefriedman.com [08:50] "The Daily Show's Woman Problem" (Irin Carmon • Jezebel • June 2010) [09:20] "Someone Got 'The Daily Show' in My Jezebel and Together They Taste A Little Weird" (The Awl • July 2010) [15:20] "Waterworld Review" (KillerMovies • July 1995) [20:25] Every Love Story is a Ghost Story: A Life of David Foster Wallace (D. T. Max • Penguin Books • 2013) [20:35] "A Supposedly True Thing Jonathan Franzen Said About David Foster Wallace" (The Awl • Oct 2011) [26:25] "The Perils of Pauline" (Renata Adler • The New York Review of Books • Aug 1980) [28:30] "How Unauthorized Is the New Book About Harper Lee?" (Gawker • July 2014) [31:05] Dean’s Archive on The Guardian [30:20] How Should A Person Be (Sheila Heti • Picador • 2013) [35:30] "True Lives" (James Wood • The New Yorker • June 2012) [35:40] "Listening to Women" (Slate • June 2012) [40:30] Longform Podcast #156: Renatta Adler [51:05] Mommy Dead and Dearest (Erin Lee Carr • 2017) [51:15] Longform Podcast #248: Erin Lee Carr [64:00] Gerard Manley Hopkins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Craig Mod is a writer and photographer. His podcast is On Margins. “You pick up an iPad, you pick up an iPhone—what are you picking up? You’re picking up a chemical-driven casino that just plays on your most base desires for vanity and ego and our obsession with watching train wrecks happen. That’s what we’re picking up and it’s counted in pageviews, because—not to be reductive and say that it’s a capitalist issue, but when you take hundreds of millions of dollars of venture capital, and you’re building models predicated on advertising, you are gonna create fucked-up algorithms and shitty loops that take away your attention. And guess what? You need to engage with longform texts. You need control of your attention. And so I think part of what subverted our ability to find this utopian reading space is the fact that so much of what’s on these devices is actively working to destroy all of the qualities needed to create that space.” Thanks to MailChimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @craigmod craigmod.com Criag Mod on Longform [01:15] Flipboard [01:26] On Margins [02:40] "Roden Explorer's Club," Craig Mod's Newsletter [09:30] McSweeney’s [20:30] "Embracing the Digital Book" (PRE/POST • April 2010) [22:25] Books in the Age of the iPad (PRE/POST • 2012) [25:30] Post Artifact Books & Publishing (PRE/POST • 2011) [43:10] Primitive Technology   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tom Bissell is a journalist, critic, video game writer, and author of The Disaster Artist: My Life Inside The Room, the Greatest Bad Movie Ever Made. His latest book is Magic Hours. “I kind of have come around to maybe not as monkish or fanatical devotion to sentence idolatry as I was when I was a younger writer, earlier in my career. I think I’m coming around to a place where a lot of middle-aged writers get to, which is: I tried to rewire and change the world with the beauty of language alone—it didn’t work. Now how about I try to write stuff that’s true, or that’s not determined to show people I am a Great Writer. Like a lot of young writers, you’re driven by that. Then at a certain point you realize A) you’re not going to be the Great Writer you wanted to be, and B) the determination of that is completely beyond your power to control, so best that you just write as best you can and as honestly as you can, and everything else just sort of becomes gravy.” Thanks to MailChimp and Tripping.com for sponsoring this week's episode. Bissell on Longform [00:50] The Father of All Things: A Marine, His Son, and the Legacy of Vietnam (Pantheon • 2007) [01:25] "Cinema Crudité" (Harper’s Magazine • Aug 2010) [01:40] The Disaster Artist: My Life Inside The Room, the Greatest Bad Movie Ever Made (Simon & Schuster • 2013) [02:40] "Loch Ness Memoir" (VQR • March 2007) [03:15] " Video Games: The Addiction " (The Guardian • March 2010) [04:25] Chasing the Sea: Lost Among the Ghosts of Empire in Central Asia (Pantheon • 2016) [05:25] Extra Lives: Why Video Games Matter (Vintage • 2011) [21:55] "Escanaba’s Magic Hour" (Harper’s Magazine • Sep 2000) [22:50] Chasing the Sea: Lost Among the Ghosts of Empire in Central Asia (Pantheon • 2003) [23:45] "Euphorias of Perrier: The Case Against Robert D. Kaplan" (VQR • June 2006) [42:40] "How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online" (Taylor Clark • The New Yorker • Nov 2017) [52:15] Magic Hours (Vintage • 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Will Mackin is a U.S. Navy veteran who served with a SEAL team in Iraq and Afghanistan. His debut book is Bring Out the Dog. “I wanted to write nonfiction and I started writing nonfiction. And the reason I did that was — first of all, I felt all the people did all the hard work, and who was I to take liberties? And the second reason was, I just felt an obligation to the men and women who I served with not to misrepresent them, or what they’d been through, or what it had meant to them, or how they felt about it. I kept piling these requirements on to myself: Well, if I present this particular event in this light, this guy’s going to get his feelings hurt. Or, I don’t know how this guy’s family will feel about me talking about this. And it became debilitating, all those restrictions, I kind of kept layering on myself. I was talking to George Saunders at one point about this, and I was like, ‘I don’t know if this book is going to happen. I’m just stuck’ And he pointed out, ‘You’re putting all these restrictions on yourself because it puts this perfect book off in the never-to-reach future. If you remove those and start fictionalizing things and getting at it a different way, maybe it’ll work for you.’” Thanks to MailChimp and Breach for sponsoring this week's episode. @mohammedsradio willmackin.com [01:35] Bring Out the Dog (Random House • 2018) [47:10] "Crossing the River No Name" (The New Yorker • June 2017) [47:40] Red Cavalry (Isaac Babel • Pushkin Collection • 2015) [47:45] "Crossing the River Zbrucz" (Isaac Babel • Pushkin Collection • 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nitasha Tiku is a senior writer at Wired. “I’ve always been an incredibly nosy person—not nosy, curious. Curious about the world. It just gives you a license to ask any question, and hopefully if you have a willing editor, the freedom to see something fascinating and pursue it. It was just a natural fit from there. But that also means I don’t have the machismo, ‘breaking news’ sort of a thing. I feel like I can try on different hats, wherever I am.” Thanks to MailChimp and Credible.com for sponsoring this week's episode. @nitashatiku Nitasha on Longform [04:25] "My Life With the Thrill Clit Cult" (Gawker • Oct 2013) [15:50] "Facebook Battles New Criticism After U.S. Indictment Against Russians" (Georgia Wells, Robert McMillan • The Wall Street Journal • Feb 2018) [16:30] "WeWork Used These Documents to Convince Investors It's Worth Billions" (Gawker • Oct 2013) [16:50] "Living in the Disneyland Version of Startup Life" (BuzzFeed • Aug 2016) [16:50] "Dorm Living for Professionals Comes to San Francisco" (Nellie Bowles • New York Times • March 2018) [19:30] "San Francisco or Mumbai? UN Envoy Encounters Homeless Life in California " (Alastair Gee • The Guardian • Jan 2018) [21:40] Tiku’s Archive at BuzzFeed [28:25] "YouTube, the Great Radicalizer" (Zeynep Tufekci • New York Times • March 2018) [30:40] Coin Talk [40:25] "The Worldwide Bloodstream"(Comedy Central • Broad City • Feb 2015)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chana Joffe-Walt is a producer and reporter at This American Life. Her latest story is "Five Women." “I felt like there was more to learn from these stories, more than just which men are bad and shouldn’t have the Netflix special that they wanted to have. And I was interested, also, in that there were groups of women, and that somehow, in having a group of women, you would have variation of experience. There could be a unifying person who they all experienced, but they would inevitably experience that person differently. And that would raise the question of: Why? And I feel like there is this response: ‘Why did she stay?’ Or: ‘Why didn’t she say fuck you?’ Or: ‘I wouldn’t have been upset by that. I wouldn’t have been offended by that thing.’ Which I feel like is a natural response, but also has a lack of curiosity. There are actual answers to those questions that are interesting.” Thanks to MailChimp and Credible.com. @chanajoffewalt Joffe-Walt on Longform [01:10] "Five Women" (This American Life • March 2018) [01:25] Longform Podcast #289: Liliana Segura [02:55] Joffe-Walt's Archive at This American Life [04:55] "Five Women Are Accusing A Top Left-Leaning Media Executive Of Sexually Harassing Them" (Cora Lewis • BuzzFeed • Dec 2017) [06:15] I Love Dick (Amazon Studios • 2016) [08:45] "From Aggressive Overtures to Sexual Assault: Harvey Weinstein’s Accusers Tell Their Stories" (Ronan Farrow • New Yorker • Oct 2017) [10:15] "Lupita Nyong’o: Speaking Out About Harvey Weinstein" (Lupita Nyong'o • New York Times • Oct 2017) [08:25] "Your Reckoning. And Mine" (Rebecca Traister • New York Mag • Nov 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Weisenthal is the executive editor of news for Bloomberg Digital and the co-host of What’d You Miss? and Odd Lots. "If I don’t say yes to this, then I can never say yes to anything again. Because when else am I going to get a chance in life to co-host a tv show? Even if it’s terrible, and I’m terrible at it, and it’s cancelled after three months, and everyone thinks it’s awful, for the rest of my life, I’ll be able to say I co-hosted a cable TV show. And so I was like, you know what—I have to say yes to this." Thanks to MailChimp, Big Questions, and Credible.com for sponsoring this week's episode. @TheStalwart [02:30] "Joe Weisenthal vs. the 24-Hour News Cycle" (New York Times Magazine • May 2012) [04:40] What’d You Miss [05:15] "What Alaska Can Teach Us About Universal Basic Income" (New York • Feb 2018) [15:05] The Stalwart [18:55] Weisenthal’s Archive at Business Insider [54:55] "Annie Duke Explains How To Apply Poker Skills To Markets" (Odd Lots • Feb 2018) [54:05] "This Is What Stock Market Bubbles and Crashes Have in Common" (Odd Lots • Aug 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sean Fennessy is the editor-in-chief of The Ringer and a former Grantland editor. He hosts The Big Picture. "What I try to do is listen to people as much as I can. And try to be compassionate. I think it’s really hard to be on the internet. This is an internet company, in a lot of ways. We have a documentary coming out that’s going to be on linear television that’s really exciting. Maybe we’ll have more of those. But for the moment, podcast, writing, video: it’s internet. [The internet] is an unmediated space of angst and meanness and a willingness to tell people when they’re bad, even when they’ve worked hard on something. That’s like the number one anxiety that I feel like we’re dealing with on a day-to-day basis with everybody, myself included." Thanks to MailChimp, Mubi, and "Dear Franklin Jones" for sponsoring this week's episode. @SeanFennessey Fennessey on Longform [01:45] On Air Fest 2018 [02:20] The Big Picture [02:40] Fennessey’s Archive at The Ringer [03:10] The Bill Simmons Podcast [03:45] Longform Podcast #62: Malcolm Gladwell, Longform Podcast #204: Malcolm Gladwell [05:50] Longform Podcast #196: John Favreau [10:15] "An Oral History of Michael Bay, the Most Explosive Director of All Time" (GQ • June 2011) [12:05] Fennessey’s Archive at Pitchfork [13:50] Chauncey Billups [14:30] "Don't Front on Kanye" (Complex Magazine • Aug 2005) [14:30] "The Business of Carmelo Anthony: How Baltimore's Finest Plans to Take Over the World" (Complex Magazine • June 2005) [17:40] Longform Podcast #66: Andy Ward [23:00] Longform Podcast #268: Jim Nelson [23:55] Longform Podcast #257: Jay Caspian Kang [26:50] "Derek Jeter’s Diary" (Mark Lisanti • Grantland) [27:50] Longform Podcast #44: Jonathan Abrams [37:00] "How LeBron Can Finish His Fairy Tale Better Than MJ" (Bill Simmons • The Ringer • Feb 2018) [40:45] "Yance Ford Made ‘Strong Island’ to Face Down the Past" (The Big Picture • Feb 2018) [41:10] "Greta Gerwig on ‘Lady Bird,’ One of the Year’s Best Movies" (The Big Picture • Nov 2017) [47:42] Longform Podcast #183: Jia Tolentino [48:00] "Calm, Well-Adjusted Nation’s Reading Comprehension Hits 100 Percent" (Rob Harvilla • The Ringer • Oct 2016) [64:00] "If You Want to Have a Staring Contest With the Oscars, You Will Lose: On a Historic Set of Nominations" (The Ringer • Jan 2018)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jenna Wortham is a staff writer at The New York Times Magazine and a co-host of Still Processing. “I feel like I’m still writing to let my 10-year-old self know it’s okay to be you. It’s okay to be a chubby androgynous weirdo. You know what I mean? Like this weird black kid. It’s okay. There are others like you.” Thanks to MailChimp, Mubi, "Food: A Cultural Culinary History," and "Tales" for sponsoring this week's episode. @jennydeluxe www.jennydeluxe.com Wortham on Longform [02:00] Wortham’s New York Times archive [02:00] Still Processing [02:00] Longform Podcast #95: Wesley Moris [02:00] Longform Podcast #218: Wesley Morris [05:35] "Long-Form Journalism Finds a Home" (David Carr • New York Times • March 2011) [06:40] "We Sink Our Claws Into Black Panther with Ta-Nehisi Coates" (Still Processing • Feb 2018) [20:40] Wortham’s Wired archive [25:15] "Meet the Mario Maestros Who Have Video Game Music Rocking Concert Halls" (Joel Stein • Wired • Nov 2007) [26:05] The Underwire [27:08] "Early-Bird Buzz Mounts for Whedon's Dollhouse" (Wired • March 2008) [27:25] "Rosario Dawson Delivers High-Tech Drama in Gemini Division" (Wired • Aug 2008) [43:50] "Facebook to Buy Photo-Sharing Service Instagram for $1 Billion" (New York Times • April 2012) [52:30] "Everybody Sexts" (Matter • Nov 2014) [56:20] "Is ‘RuPaul’s Drag Race’ the Most Radical Show on TV?" (New York Times • Jan 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michael Idov is a screenwriter, journalist, and the former editor-in-chief of GQ Russia. His latest book is Dressed Up for a Riot. "It just goes to show that the best thing you can possibly do as a journalist is to forget you’re a journalist, go out, have some authentic experiences, preferably fail at something really hard, and then write about that." Thanks to MailChimp and Mubi for sponsoring this week's episode. @michaelidov Idov on Longform [01:15] "The Movie Set That Ate Itself" (GQ • Oct 2011) [02:00] Idov’s Archive at NY Mag [02:25] Dressed Up for a Riot (Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2018) [06:35] “Samizdat” [14:00] "Bitter Brew" (Slate • Dec 2009) [16:55] Ground Up (Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2009) [19:30] Adam Moss on the Longform Podcast [19:35] Jim Nelson on the Longform Podcast [21:40] "Georgia’s Next Leader May Be a Billionaire Zookeeper with Albino Rapper Children" (The New Republic • Sep 2012) [22:20] "Dosvedanie to All That" (Julia Ioffe • The New Republic • Feb 2014) [24:30] 4 (Magnolia Home Entertainment • 2009) [32:50] "My Accidental Career as a Russian Screenwriter" (New York Times • Jan 2016) [33:05] "Russia: Life After Trust" (New York • Jan 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Liliana Segura writes for The Intercept. “My form of advocacy against the death penalty, frankly, has always been to tell those stories that other people aren’t seeing. And to humanize the people—not just the people facing execution, but everyone around them.” Thanks to MailChimp, Mubi, and Tripping.com for sponsoring this week's episode. @LilianaSegura Segura on Longform [01:50] "Dispatch From Angola: Faith-Based Slavery in a Louisiana Prison" (Colorlines • Aug 2011) [02:10] "What Happened to Rachel Gray" (The Intercept • Oct 2017) [02:15] "The Fire on Howard Avenue" (The Intercept • March 2017) [05:30] Bolton’s [06:10] Segura’s Archive at The Intercept [07:05] "Arkansas Plans to Execute Seven People This Month, Continuing Long Tradition of Assembly-Line" (The Intercept • April 2017) [11:00] "Playing With Fire" (The Intercept • Feb 2015) [25:30] "As Families in Charleston Share Stories and Pain, Dylann Roof Shows No Remorse" (The Intercept • Jan 2017) [25:30] "Will Dylann Roof’s Execution Bring Justice? Families of Victims Grapple With Forgiveness and Death" (The Intercept • Jan 2017) [28:50] "How a Daughter’s Search for her Biological Father Led to an Execution in Arkansas" (The Intercept • April 2017) [36:40] Segura’s Archive at Alter Net [38:40] "Five Women Are Accusing A Top Left-Leaning Media Executive Of Sexually Harassing Them" (Cora Lewis • BuzzFeed • Dec 2017) [46:10] "Publisher of The New Republic Resigns After Misconduct Claims" (Sydney Ember • NY Times • Nov 2017) [56:05] "A Living Death: Life Without Parole for Nonviolent Offenses" (ACLU Foundation • Nov 2013) [57:55] "Lead Prosecutor Apologizes for Role in Sending Man to Death Row" (A.M. "Marty" Stroud III • Shreveport Times • March 2015) [58:20] "A Prosecutor Seeks Redemption. Can We Allow Prisoners the Same?" (The Intercept • March 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Seth Wickersham is a senior writer for ESPN. His latest article is "For Kraft, Brady and Belichick, Is This the Beginning of the End?" “You want to write about something real. I hate stories that are, the tension of the story is, talk radio perception versus the reality that I see when I’m with somebody. I can’t stand those stories because to me, you’re just writing about the ether versus a real person, and that’s not a real tension to me. The inner tensions are the best tensions. You can’t get to them with everybody, but you try.” Thanks to MailChimp and Mubi for sponsoring this week's episode. @SethWickersham Wickersham on Longform [02:10] "For Kraft, Brady and Belichick, Is This the Beginning of the End?" (ESPN • Jan 2018) [05:35] "Spygate to Deflategate: Inside What Split the NFL and Patriots Apart " (Don Van Natta Jr., Seth Wickersham • ESPN • Sep 2015) [05:35] "The Secret Life of Tiger Woods" (Wright Thompson • ESPN • April 2016) [15:05] "Why Richard Sherman Can't Let Go of Seattle's Super Bowl Loss" (ESPN • May 2017) [16:35] "Sin City or Bust " (Seth Wickersham, Don Van Natta Jr. • ESPN • April 2017) [19:10] @bruceallen [25:05] “The Brady Hunch” (ESPN The Magazine • Dec 2001) [26:00] The TB12 Method: How to Achieve a Lifetime of Sustained Peak Performance (Tom Brady • Simon & Schuster • 2017) [26:50] “The Drive That Never Ends” (ESPN The Magazine • Sept 2016) [28:25] “Tom Brady's Most Dangerous Game” (ESPN The Magazine • Oct 2017) [30:15] “A Football Life: Meet Bill Belichick” (NFL Productions • NFL Network • 2009) [30:20] “Patriots Coach Bill Belichick Dressed Up as a Pirate for Halloween” (Nick Schwartz • USA Today • Oct 2013) [41:40] “Rick Carlisle Rips ESPN for Publishing LaVar Ball Story on Luke Walton's Job Status” (Chris Chavez • Sports Illustrated • Jan 2018) [44:20] "John Skipper Resigns as ESPN president; George Bodenheimer Takes Over as Acting Chairman” (ESPN • Dec 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nathan Thornburgh is the co-founder of Roads & Kingdoms. "You have to remain committed to the kind of irrational act of producing journalism for an uncaring world. You have to want to do that so bad, that you will never not be doing that. There’s so many ways to die in this business." Thanks to MailChimp, Mubi, and Rise and Grind for sponsoring this week's episode. @thornburgh Thornburgh on Longform [01:45] Roads & Kingdoms [02:50] Pico Iyer [01:45] Coin Talk [05:35] "SATW Foundation Lowell Thomas Travel Journalism Competition Awards for Works Published in 2014 - 2015" [07:40] "The Prawn War" (Michael Snyder • Roads & Kingdoms • Sep 2016) [17:40] "The Mysterious Demise of Lucky Peach Magazine and Its Uncertain Future" (Tim Carman • Washington Post • March 2017) [20:15] "The Sound of Change: Can Music Save Cuba?" (Time • Nov 2008) [27:10] “Myanmar Unsanctioned" (Roads & Kingdoms • March 2012) [27:20] “Three Keys to Eating Well in Burma" (Matt Goulding • Roads & Kingdoms • May 2012) [28:10] "PRO MOVES by Breville and Roads and Kingdom" (breville • Feb 2015) [32:20] "Getting Kabul’s Milk to Market" (May Jeong • Roads & Kingdoms • Oct 4 2013) [39:20] Grape, Olive, Pig, Travels: Deep Travels Through Spain's Food Culture (Matt Goulding • Harper Wave/Anthony Bourdain • 2016) [41:00] "The R&K Guide to Accra" [41:15] "The R&K Guide to Tokyo" [41:30] "The R&K Guide to New Orleans" [48:10] The Trip Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kiera Feldman is an investigative reporter. Her latest article is "Trashed: Inside the Deadly World of Private Garbage Collection." "I used to have a lot of anxiety that I don’t seem like an investigative reporter. Utlimately, my reporting personality is just me. It’s just, I want to be real with people. And the number one rule of reporting is to be a human being to other people. Be decent. Be kind." Thanks to MailChimp, RXBAR, and Tripping.com for sponsoring this week's episode. @kierafeldman kierafeldman.com Feldman on Longform [00:45] "Trashed: Inside the Deadly World of Private Garbage Collection" (Pro Publica • Jan 2018) [2:00] "With Child: The Right to Choose in Rapid City" (Harper's • Dec 2016) [2:00] "This Is My Beloved Son" (This Land Press • Oct 2014) [2:10] Longform Best of 2017 [03:00] The Investigative Fund   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Azmat Khan is an investigative reporter and a contributing writer to The New York Times Magazine. "For me, what matters most is systematic investigation, and I think that’s different than an investigative story that might explore one case. It’s about stepping back and understanding the big picture and getting to the heart of something. It doesn’t have to be a number’s game, but being able to say: Look, I looked at a wide enough sample of whatever this issue is, and here is what this tells us. That is what I crave and love the most." Thanks to MailChimp and Barkbox for sponsoring this week's episode. @azmatzahra azmatzahra.com Khan on Longform [00:05] Coin Talk [01:55] Longform Podcast #125: Anand Gopal [01:55] "The Uncounted" (Azmat Khan, Anand Gopal • New York Times Magazine • Nov 2017) [02:35] "Targeting ISIS, and Killing Civilians" (Michael Barbaro • The Daily • Nov 2017) [02:35] "Counting Civilian Casualties in Iraq" (Michael Barbaro • The Daily • Nov 2017) [02:35] "The Unpaid Price of Civilian Casualties" (Michael Barbaro • The Daily • Nov 2017) [03:05] Longform Podcast #265: Michael Barbaro [26:25] "Ghost Students, Ghost Teachers, Ghost Schools" (BuzzFeed • July 2015) [31:35] "An Accounting for the Uncounted" (Robert Malley, Stephen Pomper • The Atlantic • Dec 2017) [34:10] "When War Comes Close to Home" (Zareena Grewal • NYTimes • Oct 2015) [52:40] "The Bombing of Al-Bara" (Frontline • Nov 2015) [53:15] No Good Men Among the Living: America, the Taliban, and the War through Afghan Eyes (Anand Gopal • Metropolitan Books • 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ben Taub is a staff writer at The New Yorker. “I don’t think it’s my place to be cynical because I’ve observed some of the horrors of the Syrian War through these various materials, but it’s Syrians that are living them. It’s Syrians that are being largely ignored by the international community and by a lot of political attention on ISIS. And I think that it wouldn’t be my place to be cynical when some of them still aren’t.” Thanks to MailChimp and Tripping for sponsoring this week's episode. @bentaub91 Taub on Longform [01:45] David Remnick on the Longform Podcast [07:45] "Was U.S. Journalist Steven Sotloff a Marked Man?" (Daily Beast • Sep 2014) [27:00] Taub on The Voice (YouTube) [32:00] "Journey to Jihad" (New Yorker • Jun 2015) [48:00] Rukmini Callimachi on the Longform Podcast (Part 1) [48:00] Rukmini Callimachi on the Longform Podcast (Part 2) [49:30] "The Shadow Doctors" (New Yorker • Jun 2016) [49:30] "The Assad Files," funded in part by a grant from the Pulitzer Foundation (New Yorker • Apr 2016) [51:00] "’They were torturing to kill’: inside Syria’s death machine" (Guardian • Oct 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Maggie Haberman covers the White House for The New York Times. “If I start thinking about it, then I’m not going to be able to just keep doing my job. I'm being as honest as I can — I try not to think about it. If you’re flying a plane and you think about the fact that if the plane blows up in midair you’re gonna die, do you feel like you can really focus as well? So, I’m not thinking about [the stakes]. This is just my job. This is what we do. Ask me another question.” Thanks to MailChimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @maggieNYT Haberman on Longform [01:45] "Manafort Talks With Senate Investigators About Meeting With Russians" (with Eileen Sullivan and Adam Goldman • New York Times • Jul 2017) [02:15] Haberman’s New York Times archive [02:30] Haberman’s New York Post archive [02:30] Haberman’s New York Daily News archive [03:15] readthissummer.com [03:15] "Paladino assails Cuomo’s parenting" (Politico • Oct 2010) [08:30] Harold and the Purple Crayon (Crockett Johnson • Harper Collins • 2015) [12:15] "Inside Donald Trump’s Last Stand: An Anxious Nominee Seeks Assurance" (with Ashley Parker, Jeremy W. Peters, and Michael Barbaro • New York Times • Nov 2016) [19:15] Private Parts [21:30] "Excerpts From the Times’s Interview With Trump" (with Peter Baker and Michael S. Schmidt • New York Times • Jul 2017) [32:45] "Trump and Staff Rethink Tactics After Stumbles" (with Glenn Thrush • New York Times • Feb 2017) [35:15] Steve Dunleavy’s New York Post archive [44:15] Broadcast News     Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tina Brown, the former editor of Vanity Fair and The New Yorker, is the founder of Women in the World. Her latest book is The Vanity Fair Diaries. “I believed that my bravado had no limit, if you know what I mean. I see limits now, let’s put it that way. I do see limits. But you know, I’m still pretty reckless when I want something. That’s why I don’t tweet much. I’ll say something that will just cause me too much trouble.” Thanks to MailChimp and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. @TinaBrownLM [00:00] Longform Best of 2017 [03:00] Vanity Fair Diaries (Henry Holt and Co. • 2014) [05:35] Tatler [12:00] "Darkness Visible" (William Styron • Vanity Fair • Dec 1989) [14:40] "Guarding Sing Sing" (Ted Conover • New Yorker • April 2000) [14:40] Longform Podcast #38 Ted Conover [16:00] "Dominick Dunne on His Daughter’s Murder" (Dominick Dunne • Vanity Fair • March 1984) [28:10] "10 Years Ago, an Omen No One Saw" (David Carr • New York Times • Aug 2009) [31:50] The Diana Chronicles (Anchor • 2007) [38:40] "Bruna Papandrea Options Tina Brown’s ‘Vanity Fair Diaries’ For Limited TV Series" (Nellie Andreeva • Deadline • Sept 2017) [41:43] Women in the World   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mara Shalhoup was until recently editor-in-chief of LA Weekly. She is the author of BMF: The Rise and Fall of Big Meech and the Black Mafia Family. “I’m so fearful about what it will look like for cities without an outlet for [alt-weekly] stories. And for young writers, who need and deserve the hands-on editing these kind of editors can give them and help really launch careers … it’s a tragedy for journalism. It’s a tragedy for young people, people of color. It’s a tragedy for the subjects of stories that won’t get written now. That’s just the reality.” Thanks to Mail Chimp, Mubi, and Skillshare for sponsoring this week's episode. @mshalhoup Shalhoup on Longform [01:15] Creative Loafing [01:20] Chicago Reader [01:35] "Rich People Demolished L.A. Weekly To Build The Future They Want For Journalism" (Patrick Redford • Deadspin • Dec 2017) [06:55] "Brian Calle Wants to Turn LA Weekly into 'The Cultural Center' of the City " (Lauren Raab • LA Times • Nov 2017) [11:00] "LA Weekly Reveals Its Secret Owners: Mostly Men with Orange County Ties" (David Pierson, Lauren Raab • LA Times • Dec 2017) [12:25] @LAWeekly [13:10] "Armstrong Williams Wants to Buy Washington City Paper: Report" (Brett Samuels • The Hill • Dec 2017) [30:45] "A Touch of Gastronomic Magic Spices Up Voltaggio's ink.well" (Javier Cabral • LA Weekly • Dec 2017) [30:55] "James and Dave Franco Make a Great Film About the Worst Movie Ever: The Room" (April Wolfe • LA Weekly • Dec 2017) [36:15] "Hip-hop's Shadowy Empire" (Creative Loafing • Dec 2006) [36:15] BMF: The Rise and Fall of Big Meech and the Black Mafia Family (St. Martin's Griffin • Jan 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Zoe Chace is a reporter and producer at This American Life. “Radio is a movie in your head. It’s a very visual thing. It’s a transporting thing—when it’s done well. And it’s louder than your thoughts. It is both of those things. It would just take me out of the place that I was, where I was lost and couldn’t figure things out. ... They had a very personal way of telling the story to you, so that you kind of felt like you’re there with them. Like it’s less lonely, it’s literally less lonely to have them there. And that felt really good.” Thanks to MailChimp, Mubi, Squarespace, and Casper for sponsoring this week's episode. @zchace [02:30] Chace's Archive at This American Life [02:30] Chace's Archive at Planet Money [04:00] Longform Podcast #239: Brian Reed [05:50] S-Town [16:10] Weekend Edition Saturday [25:45] "Donald Trump: Ban all Muslim travel to U.S." (Jeremy Diamond • CNN • Dec 2015) [28:55] "I Thought I Knew You" (This American Life • Jan 2016) [33:35] "Sex, Boyhood and Politics in South Carolina" (This American Life • Feb 2016) [41:35] "The Believer" (Julia Ioffe • Politico • June 2016) [43:00] "Will I Know Anyone at This Party" (This American Life • Oct 2016) [43:30] "Party in the USA" (This American Life • Oct 2016) [50:25] "Flake News" (This American Life • Oct 2017) [55:10] "Fighting Donald Trump Cost Jeff Flake His Job. But He's Not Going Quietly" (Nash Jenkins • Time • Nov 2017) [55:20] Conscience of a Conservative: A Rejection of Destructive Politics and a Return to Principle (Jeff Flake • Random House • 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jason Leopold is a senior investigative reporter for Buzzfeed and the author of News Junkie. “I made the worst mistake that cost me my credibility and I could have done two things. I could have walked away, and said I’m done with this, no one wants me anymore. Or I could have—which I did—say, I’m going to learn how to do this differently, and be better. And that’s ultimately is what paved the way to this FOIA work. Because no one trusted me anymore.” Thanks to MailChimp, Credible, Mubi, and Skillshare, for sponsoring this week's episode. @JasonLeopold Leopold on Longform [01:50] "Promethea Unbound" (Mike Mariani • Ativist • Nov 2017) [02:10] FOIA.gov [03:45] Leopold’s Buzzfeed Archive [05:15] "Military-Industrial Complex Speech" (Dwight D. Eisenhower • Public Papers of the Presidents • 1961) [07:50] "How I Got Clinton’s Emails" (Vice • Nov 2016) [12:40] "Did Sebastian Gorka Bolt From the White House—Or Was He Pushed?" (Asawin Suebsaeng, Spencer Ackerman • The Daily Beast • Aug 2017) [13:50] "Sebastian Gorka Gave A Classified 'Tirade' About Radical Islam?" (Buzzfeed • Sept 2017) [16:30] "How the US Military's Fight Against the Islamic State Became 'Operation Inherent Resolve’" (Vice News • Jan 2016) [22:10] "A Bunch Of CIA Contractors Got Fired For Stealing Snacks From Vending Machines" (Jason Leopold, David Mack • Buzzfeed • June 2017) [26:10] News Junkie (Rare Bird Books • June 2014) [27:35] "Karl Rove Indicted on Charges of Perjury, Lying to Reporters" (Truthout • May 2006) [41:00] "Air Force Pulls ‘Jesus Loves Nukes’ Ethics Training After Publication of Truthout Report" (Truthout • July 2011) [50:00] Citizen Four (Praxis Films • 2014) [53:10] "The Secret Correspondence Between Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks" (Julia Ioffe • The Atlantic • Nov 2017) [53:40] "Secret Finding: 60 Russian Payments ‘To Finance Election Campaign Of 2016’ (Jason Leopold, Anthony Cormier, Jessica Garrison • Buzzfeed • Nov 2017) [59:15] Investigative Reporters and Editors [59:25] National Security Archive [59:35] "Effective FOIA Requesting for Everyone” (National Security Archive • 2008) [60:50] FOIA Online Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kara Swisher is the executive editor and co-founder of Recode. “I do the work. I just work harder than other people. I really do. I work harder, I interview more people, I call more people, I text more people. And so I find out, and they can not talk to me — fine. I know anyway. I’d like to talk to you, I’d like to give you a chance. I’d like to be fair. I’d like to hear your side of the story. And the most important thing is, I think smart people – and these are very smart people — like smart questions. They don’t like the fawning questions. They don’t like being licked up and down all day. Some of the day they like it. They want someone who knew them before they were billionaires. Because when you’re a billionaire, every day you’re so smart. Everyone wants something from you.” Thanks to Mubi, Findaway Voices, and Mail Chimp for sponsoring this week's episode. And thanks to Pop-Up Magazine for making our live show possible! @karaswisher [02:35] Longform Podcast #239: Brian Reed [02:50] Recode [02:55] Recode Decode [03:00] Code Conference [04:40] "Kara Swisher’s First Tech Article Was About Pay Phones in 1980" (Jesse Rifkin • A Step in the Write Direction • Nov 2017) [08:10] "McLaughlin Suit Settled" (Jim Naughton, Phil McCombs • Washington Post • Dec 1999) [10:00] "Pundit Power" (Eric Alterman • Washington Post • March 1989) [11:30] Longform Podcast #128: Jack Shafer [22:51] AOL.com: How Steve Case Beat Bill Gates, Nailed the Netheads, and Made Millions in the War for the Web (Crown Business • 1998) [35:25] Swisher’s Archive at Vanity Fair [41:20] "Uber CEO Kalanick Advised Employees on Sex Rules for a Company Celebration in 2013 ‘Miami Letter’" (Kara Swisher, Johana Bhuiyan • Recode • June 2017) [41:40] "A Top Uber Executive, Who Obtained the Medical Records of a Customer Who Was a Rape Victim, Has Been Fired’" (Kara Swisher, Johana Bhuiyan • Recode • June 2017) [41:40] "The Men and (No) Women Facebook of Facebook Management" (Wall Street Journal • Aug 2007) [41:50] "The Men and No Women of Web 2.0 Boards" (Wall Street Journal • Dec 2010) [43:40] "Will Twitter Add a Woman Director Before the IPO?" (Wall Street Journal • Sept 2013) [48:40] " Missing Milly Dowler's Voicemail Was Hacked by News of the World" (Nick Davies, Amelia Hill • The Guardian • July 2011) [58:35] There Must Be a Pony in Here Somewhere (Crown Business • 2003) [61:35] Pop-Up Magazine [61:40] California Sunday Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tyler Cowen is an economist, the co-founder of Marginal Revolution, and the host of Conversations with Tyler. His latest book is The Complacent Class: The Self-Defeating Quest for the American Dream. “I think of my central contribution, or what I’m trying to have it be, is teaching people to think of counter arguments. I’m trying to teach a method: always push things one step further. What if, under what conditions, what would make this wrong? If I write something and people respond to it that way, then I feel very happy and successful. If people just agree with me, I’m a little disappointed.” Thanks to MailChimp and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. @tylercowen www.tylercowen.com Cowen on Longform [01:10] @maxlinsky [01:30] Marginal Revolution [01:50] Tyler Cowen’s Ethnic Dining Guide [02:00] In Praise of Commercial Culture (Harvard University Press • 1998) [03:20] "Michelangelo: Divine Draftsman and Designer" (The Metropolitan Museum of Art • Nov 2017) [03:25] "The Exterminating Angel" (The Metropolitan Opera • Oct 2017) [09:30] The Complacent Class (St. Martin’s Press • 2017) [13:05] "Job Creation and Firm Dynamics in the United States" (John Haltiwanger • University of Chicago Press • April 2011) [13:25] "The School That Won’t Let Students Play Tag or Hold Hands" (Eleanor Barkhorn• The Atlantic • Nov 2013) [13:30] "Middle School Bans Student’s Star Wars T-Shirt of Stormtrooper Holding a Gun" (Alex Griswold • Mediaite • Dec 2015) [42:25] "Ethiopian" (Tyler Cowen's Ethnic Dining Guide • March 2006) [42:30] "Afghan Bistro" (Tyler Cowen's Ethnic Dining Guide • Sept 2016) [42:35] "Elephant Jumps" (Tyler Cowen's Ethnic Dining Guide • March 2014) [43:20] "Erdogan Guards Will Face Charges for Beating D.C. Protesters" (Caroline Bankoff • NY Mag • June 2017) [43:50] Cowen’s Archive at the Bloomberg View Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jodi Kantor is a New York Times investigative reporter and the author of The Obamas. “Being a reporter really robs you of self-consciousness and shyness. You realize that it’s this great gift of being able to ask crazy questions, either really personal or very probing or especially with a powerful — to walk up to Harvey Weinstein, essentially and say, ‘What have you been doing to women all these years, and for how long? All of these other people may be afraid to confront you about it, but we are not.’ That is our job.” Thanks to MailChimp and Eero for sponsoring this week's episode. @jodikantor jodikantor.net Kantor on Longform 11/12: Longform Podcast, Live in Chicago with Zoe Chace 11/15: Longform Podcast, Live in San Francisco with Kara Swisher [00:50] "Harvey Weinstein Paid Off Sexual Harassment Accusers for Decades" (Jodi Kantor, Megan Twohey • New York Times • Oct 2017) [02:10] "Promethea Unbound" (Mike Mariani • Atavist • Nov 2017) [03:30] "From Aggressive Overtures to Sexual Assault: Harvey Weinstein’s Accusers Tell Their Stories" (Ronan Farrow • New Yorker • Oct 2017) [03:45] "Harvey Weinstein’s Army of Spies" (Ronan Farrow • New Yorker • Nov 2017) [04:50] "New Accusers Expand Harvey Weinstein Sexual Assault Claims Back to ’70s" (Ellen Gabler, Megan Twohey, Jodi Kantor • New York Times • Oct 2017) [5:15] "Kevin Spacey Issues Apology to Actor After Sexual Accusation " (Michael Paulson • New York Times • April 2017) [8:00] "Bill O’Reilly Thrives at Fox News, Even as Harassment Settlements Add Up" (Emily Steel, Michael S. Schmidt • New York Times • April 2017) [9:05] "Women in Tech Speak Frankly on Culture of Harassment" (Katie Benner • New York Times • June 2017) [10:50] "Inside Amazon: Wrestling Big Ideas in a Bruising Workplace" (Jodi Kantor, David Streitfeld • New York Times • Aug 2015) [18:55] "Gwyneth Paltrow, Angelina Jolie and Others Say Weinstein Harassed Them" (Jodi Kantor, Rachel Abrams • New York Times • Oct 2017) [38:10] "Working Anything but 9 to 5" (New York Times • Aug 2014) [46:10]Longform Podcast #198: Franch Rich [48:00]The Obamas (Little, Brown and Company • 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jim Nelson is the editor-in-chief of GQ. “One of the things that was initially a challenge was we would all think of ‘the print side’ and ‘the digital side.’ Now what we all think about is, ‘Okay, stop saying GQ.com and GQ the print edition. It’s just GQ!’ And once you cross that line, you don’t ever want to go back to it. I can’t imagine. The job has changed so much, even in the last three years, that when I look back, I think, ‘God, I was just such a quaint little fucker.’” Thanks to MailChimp and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. [01:15] 11/12: Longform Podcast, Live in Chicago with Zoe Chace [01:25] 11/15: Longform Podcast, Live in Chicago with Kara Swisher [10:25] "The Horrible Bosses of Hollywood" (GQ • April 2014) [14:10] "Shipping Out" (David Foster Wallace • Harper’s Magazine • Jan 1996) [14:15] "Ticket to the Fair" (David Foster Wallace • Harper’s Magazine • July 1994) [19:15] Pineapple Street Media [21:30] "The AIDS Deniers" (GQ • June 2017) [28:35] "Rick Santorum Is Straight" (Robert Draper • GQ • Aug 2003) [32:35] GQ on Snapchat Discover [33:55] GQ on Instagram [43:25] "Upon This Rock" (John Jeremiah Sullivan • GQ • Jan 2004) [44:50] "The Incredible Buddha Boy" (George Saunders • GQ • May 2006) [45:25] "Traffic" (Jeanne Marie Laskas • GQ • March 2009) [45:25] "Underworld" (Jeanne Marie Laskas • GQ • May 2007) [45:50] "Have You Heard the One About President Joe Biden?" (Jeanne Marie Laskas • GQ • July 2013) [45:40] "Inside the Federal Bureau of Way Too Many Guns?" (Jeanne Marie Laskas • GQ • Aug 2016) [45:45] "The Old Man at Burning Man" (Wells Tower • GQ • Aug 2015) [45:50] "Dear Leader Dreams of Sushi" (Adam Johnson • GQ • June 2013) [45:55] "No Exit" (Sean Flynn • GQ • Sept 2013) [45:05] "18 Tigers, 17 Lions, 8 Bears, 3 Cougars, 2 Wolves, 1 Baboon, 1 Macaque, and 1 Man Dead in Ohio" (Chris Heath • GQ • Feb 2012) [45:15] "Searching for Sugar Daddies" (Taffy Brodesser-Akner • GQ • Aug 2015) [45:15] "The Suicide Catcher" (Mike Paterniti • GQ • Aug 2010) [45:15] "The Uber Killer: The Real Story of One Night of Terror" (Chris Heath • GQ • Aug 2016) [50:45] "The Untold Story of Kim Jong-nam’s Assassination" (Doug Bock Clark • GQ • Sep 2017) [52:45] "I Surrendered My Wardrobe" (Sean Hotchkiss • GQ • Dec 2016) [54:45] "The Blind Faith of Juan Jose Padilla, the One-Eyed Matador" (Karen Russell • GQ • Oct 2012) [55:00] Fly Me (Daniel Riley • Hachette • 2017) [56:15] "Why Me?" (Elizabeth Gilbert • GQ • April 2002) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah Ellison is a special correspondent at Vanity Fair and the author of War at the Wall Street Journal. “There’s no lack of stories. ... There’s always an element where you’re going to be parachuting into something that someone has likely written about, to some degree. You can’t shy away from going into something that’s a crowded field.” Thanks to MailChimp, Quip, and BarkBox for sponsoring this week's episode. @Sarahlellison sarahlellison.com Ellison on Longform [00:15] 11/15: Longform Podcast, Live in Chicago with Kara Swisher [00:45] 11/12: Longform Podcast, Live in Chicago with Zoe Chace [03:00] Longform Podcast #111: Anne Helen Petersen [03:00] Longform Podcast #224: Hua Hsu [04:15] The Hive [04:20] Ellison's Vanity Fair archive [05:00] "Exiles on Pennsylvania Avenue: How Jared and Ivanka Were Repelled by Washington’s Elite" (Vanity Fair • Oct 2017) [05:45] "The Inside Story of the Kushner-Bannon Civil War" (Vanity Fair • May 2017) [07:30] Longform Podcast #254 Maggie Haberman [12:30] "The Man Who Spilled Secrets” (Vanity Fair • Feb 2011) [13:15] "Exclusive: Is Donald Trump’s Endgame the Launch of Trump News?" (Vanity Fair • June 2016) [19:30] "Harvey Weinstein Paid Off Sexual Harassment Accusers for Decades" (Jodi Kantor, Megan Twohey • NY Times • Oct 2017) [19:45] "Inside the Final Days of Roger Ailes’s Reign at Fox News" (Vanity Fair • Nov 2016) [27:15]"After a Rape Story, a Murder, and Lawsuits: What’s Next for the Univeristy of Virginia?" (Vanity Fair • Oct 2015) [30:00]"Diana’s Impossible Dream" (Vanity Fair • Sept 2013) [34:35]War at the Wall Street Journal. (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt • May 2010) [37:45]"Has Trump Turned CNN Into a House of Existential Dread?" (Vanity Fair • July 2017) [37:45]"Has Megyn’s Star Already Been Eclipsed?" (Vanity Fair • Sept 2017) [39:45]"Ghosts in the Newsroom" (Vanity Fair • Apr 2012) [40:00]"Ex-New Republic Staffers Knew Chris Hughes Was Fed Up" (Vanity Fair • Jan 2016) [40:00]"The Rules of Succession" (Vanity Fair • Dec 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Patricia Bosworth is a journalist and biographer. Her latest book is The Men in My Life. “The [acting] rejections are hellish and ghastly. At least they were to me. And I got tired of being rejected so much and also tired of not being able to control my life. And as soon as I became a writer, I had this control, I felt more active, more energized. But it was a decision that took a long time coming.” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, and Heaven's Gate for sponsoring this week's episode. @p_bosworth pbosworth.com Bosworth on Longform [00:05] Heaven's Gate [00:25] Snap Judgement [01:25] The Fest Presents: The Longform Podcast with special guest Zoe Chace [02:30] "Some Mother's Boy" (Atavist • Oct 2017) [3:10] Diane Arbus: A Biography (Afred A. Knopf • 1984) [03:10] Fur: An Imaginary Portrait of Diane Arbus (River Road Entertainment • 2006) [3:20] The Men in My Life (Harper • 2017) [5:55] Strumpet Wind (Gertrude Bosworth Crum • Covici Friede Publishers • 1938) [6:20] The Tempest (William Shakespeare • Simon & Schuster • 2004) [07:50] Colete’s Archive at The New York Times [09:40] Bosworth’s Archive at Playbill [09:45] The Nun’s Story (Warner Brothers • 1959) [14:15] Stoner [16:00] "To Vonnegut, the Hero Is the Man Who Refuses to Kill" (New York Times • Oct 1970) [18:05] Montgomery Clift: A Biography (Harcourt • 1978) [20:45] Marlon Brando: A Biography (Viking • 2001) [20:55] Jane Fonda: The Private Life of a Public Woman (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt • 2011) [22:30] "New Documents" (The Museum of Modern Art • 1967) [24:10] Harold Nemerov’s Archive at The Poetry Foundation   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michael Barbaro is the host of The Daily. “I don’t think The Daily should ever be my therapy session. That’s not what it’s meant to be, but I’m a human being. I arrive at work on a random Tuesday, and I do an interview with a guy like that, and it just punched me right in the stomach.” Thanks to MailChimp, School of the Art Institute of Chicago, and Blinkist for sponsoring this week's episode. @mikiebarb Barbaro on Longform [00:55] The Daily [01:20] Barbaro’s Archive at The New York Times [03:15] samanthahenig.com [05:40] New Haven Register [10:50] Robert G. Kaiser's The Washington Post archive [15:10] David Leonhardt’s New York Times archive [17:30] "Wal-Mart Memo Suggests Ways to Cut Employee Benefit Costs" (Steven Greenhouse, Michael Barbaro • New York Times • Oct 2005) [19:25] "$1.1 Billion in Thanks From Bloomberg to Johns Hopkins" (New York Times • Jan 2013) [22:20] The Run-Up [19:55] “Trump: New York Times Reporter Should Resign" (Mark Hensch • The Hill • May 2016) [21:10] "Crossing the Line: How Donald Trump Behaved With Women in Private" (Michael Barbaro, Megan Twohey • New York Times • May 2016) [21:40] Longform Podcast #153: Tim Ferriss [27:00] “An Appreciation of Michael Barbaro and 'The Daily'" (Rebecca Mead • New Yorker • Aug 2017) [30:50] “The Climate Change Battle Through One Coal Miner’s Eyes” (The Daily • Mar 2017) [39:25] "A Conversation With a Former White Nationalist" (The Daily • Aug 2017) [39:30] "The White Flight of Derek Black" (Eli Saslow • Washington Post • Oct 2016) [40:20] "Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately" (Megan Twohey, Michael Barbaro • New York Times • Oct 2016) [45:25] “Syria Strike and Senate Standoff” (The Daily • April 2017) [52:15] “Carlos’s Secret” (The Daily • Feb 2017) [52:45] Monica Davey’s Archive at The New York Times [53:30] "We Gotta Talk About Michael Barbaro, The Host of The NYT's Daily Podcast" (Mariah Oxley • Buzzfeed • April 2017) [56:05] Barbaro’s Reddit AMA Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Vanessa Grigoriadis writes for Vanity Fair, Rolling Stone, and The New York Times Magazine. Her new book is Blurred Lines: Rethinking Sex, Power, and Consent on Campus. “I’m a controversial writer. I’ve never shied away from controversy. I’ve only really courted it because I realized a lot earlier than a lot of other people who are involved in this whole depressing business that clicks are the way to go, right? Or eyeballs, as we used to call them, or readership. I come out of a Tom Wolfe-like, Hunter S. Thompson kind of tradition. You don’t mince any words, you just go for the jugular and you say as many things that can stir people up as possible.” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, and Casper for sponsoring this week's episode. @vanessagrigor www.vanessagrigoriadis.com Grigoriadis on Longform [01:20] Longform Podcast #40: Vanessa Grigoriadis [01:35] Grigoriadis’ Archive at Vanity Fair [01:40] Grigoriadis’ Archive at Rolling Stone [01:45] Blurred Lines: Rethinking Sex, Power, and Consent on Campus (Eamon Dolan • 2017) [02:00] "Shining a Light on Campus Rape" (Michelle Goldberg • New York Times • Sep 2017) [06:30] "The Passion of Nicki Minaj" (New York Times • Oct 2015) [06:30] "The Very Pink, Very Perfect Life of Taylor Swift" (Rolling Stone • Mar 2009) [06:30] "Justin Bieber: God, Girls and Boatloads of Swag" (Rolling Stone • Mar 2011) [08:30] "Meet the College Women Who Are Starting a Revolution Against Campus Sexual Assault" (New York • Sep 2014) [11:45] “‘A Rape on Campus’ What Went Wrong?” (Sheila Coronel, Steve Coll, Derek Kravitz • Rolling Stone • April 2015) [22:15] "A Power Player and her Sons Disappear Off the Bahamas" (Jacob Bernstein • New York Times • May 2017) [26:00] "Education Secretary Betsy DeVos Replaces Obama-era Guidelines for Handling Sexual Assault on Campus" (Lauren Rosenblatt • LA Times • Sep 2017) [36:00] "Emasculated? We’ll See!" (New York Post • Oct 2007) [39:00] "New York Times Publishes Eye-Popping Correction on Campus-Sexual-Assault Book Review" (Erik Wemple • Washington Post • Sep 2017) [44:00] "Glamour’s Cindi Leive Joins List of Top Editors to Exit" (Keith J. Kelly • New York Post • Sep 2017) [44:00] "Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale" (Sydney Ember • New York Times • Sep 2017) [44:45] "An American Drug Lord in Acapulco" (Rolling Stone • Aug 2011) [45:00] "The Rise and Fall of the Eco-Radical Underground" (Rolling Stone • June 2011) [45:00] "The Tragedy of Britney Spears" (Rolling Stone • Feb 2008) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Jelani Cobb is a New Yorker staff writer and the author of three books, including The Substance of Hope: Barack Obama and the Paradox of Progress. He teaches journalism at Columbia University. “Ralph Wiley — the sports writer, late Ralph Wiley — told me something when I was 25 or so, and he was so right. He said I should never fall in love with anything I’ve written. … The second thing he told me was, ‘You won’t get there overnight, and believe me, you don’t want to.’ I’m embarrassed to say that I didn’t get it when he told me that. I was like — why would I not want to get there overnight? Now I’m like: Thank God I didn’t get there overnight. Because there’s so much writing I would have to explain.” Thanks to MailChimp, Quip, and Audible for sponsoring this week's episode. @jelani9 Cobb on Longform [00:00] Stoner [01:30] Cobb’s Archive at The New Yorker [03:30] "The Life and Death of Jamaica High School" (New Yorker • Aug 2015) [07:45] Cobb’s Archive at Washington City Paper [09:40] Longform Podcast #7: Ta-Nehisi Coates [09:40] Longform Podcast #97: Ta-Nehisi Coates [09:40] Longform Podcast #168: Ta-Nehisi Coates [10:00] Joel Dias-Porter’s Archive at The Poetry Foundation [10:05] Kenneth Carroll’s Archive at The Poetry Foundation [10:10] Elvis Presley Is Alive and Well and Living in Harlem (Brian Gilmore • Third World Press • 1983) [11:30] Marion Barry archive at Washington City Paper [21:05] The Progressive [21:10] The Crisis [23:20] "My Daughter Once Removed" (Chicken Soup for the Soul • 2008) [23:40] The Devil & Dave Chappelle & Other Essays (Basic Books • 2007) [27:31] "Policing the Police" (Frontline • June 2016) [41:00] "The Ambivalent Legacy of Brown v. Board" (New Yorker • May 2014) [41:30] "The Matter of Black Lives" (New Yorker • Mar 2016) [41:30] "What I Saw in Ferguson" (New Yorker • Aug 2014) [44:40] The Substance of Hope: Barack Obama and the Paradox of Progress (Walker Books • 2010) [48:50] Trump’s speech in Arizona (CNN • Aug 2017) [57:00] Birth of a Nation (Epoch Producing Co • 1915) [53:50] "Podcast #168: Jelani Cobb, The Half-Life of Freedom" (NYPL Podcast • June 2017)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

PJ Vogt is the co-host of Reply All. “Every radio story is broken. Everything is missing some piece it’s supposed to have. Everything has some weird interview that didn’t go the way you thought it was going to go, or you thought you had an answer but you were wrong.” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, and Blinkist for sponsoring this week's episode. @PJVogt [01:00] "Black Box" (This American Life • Oct 1988) [1:45] On The Media [1:50] TLDR [03:10] David Sedaris’s Archive at This American Life [9:25] Transom.org [9:35] Alex Blumberg’s Archive at Transom [9:50] Nancy Updike’s Archive at Transom [21:00] "Shine On You Crazy Goldman" (Reply All • Nov 2015) [24:45] Vogt’s Archive at On The Media [29:15] "The Time Traveler and the Hitman" (Reply All • Mar 2015) [32:30] Serial [33:55] "Man of the People" (Reply All • Jan 2017) [34:55] "Hello?" (Reply All • Nov 2016) [35:45] Libsyn.com [35:50] Megaphone.fm [37:05] Gimlet [41:45] Ear Hustle [43:00] S-Town [44:05] "What It Looks Like" (Reply All • Oct 2015) [44:30] "Depressiongrams" (The Message • Sep 2015) [50:00] "What You Don’t Know About Online Dating" (Freakonomics • Feb 2014) [54:05] "Boy in Photo" (Reply All • Oct 2016) [54:25] "Long Distance" (Reply All • Jul 2017) [54:40] "The Cathedral" (Reply All • Jan 2016) [54:45] "On the Inside" (Reply All • May 2016) [54:45] "Milk Wanted" (Reply All • Mar 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Alex Goldman is the co-host of Reply All. “I am not the authority on the internet. I’m not an expert on particularly anything, except stuff that I like.” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, and Blinkist for sponsoring this week's episode. @AGoldmund Goldman on Longform [01:30] "Long Distance" (Reply All • Jul 2017) [01:30] "Long Distance, Part II" (Reply All • Jul 2017) [02:00] "This Website is For Sale" (Reply All • Dec 2014) [02:45] TLDR [05:15] metafilter.com [05:15] Matt Haughey on Stoner [06:00] ”How Do I Get a Job at NPR?” (Metafilter • 2009) [08:15] On the Media [11:45] "Stories Pitched by Our Parents" (This American Life • Feb 2010) [13:30] Radiolab [15:30] "Quit Already!" (Reply All • Dec 2015) [17:45] "What Kind of Idiot Gets Phished?" (Reply All • May 2017) [18:00] "Black Hole, New Jersey" (Reply All • Jun 2017) [21:00] "Storming the Castle" (Reply All • Feb 2017) [21:15] "Shine on You Crazy Goldman " (Reply All • Nov 2015) [29:45] Death, Sex & Money [31:30] StartUp [33:45] Serial, Season 1 [35:00] "The Cathedral" (Radio Lab • Dec 2015) [35:00] "All Shipped to Timbuktu" (Reply All • Jun 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hillary Clinton is the former Democratic nominee for president. Her new book is What Happened. “I hugged a lot of people after [my concession speech] was over. A lot of people cried … and then it was done. So Bill and I went out and got in the back of the van that we drive around in, and I just felt like all of the adrenaline was drained. I mean there was nothing left. It was like somebody had pulled the plug on a bathtub and everything just drained out. I just slumped over. Sat there. … And then we got home, and it was just us as it has been for so many years—in our little house, with our dogs. It was a really painful, exhausting time.” Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, and Casper for sponsoring this week's episode. @HillaryClinton hillaryclinton.com [00:15] What Happened (Simon & Schuster • 2017) [03:45] Global Warming For Dummies (Elizabeth May & Zoe Caron • For Dummies • 2008) [26:00] "The Comey Letter Probably Cost Clinton the Election" (Nate Silver • FiveThirtyEight • May 2017) [31:00] "Rosenstein’s Case Against Comey, Annotated" (Candice Norwood & Elaine Godfrey • Atlantic • May 2017) [32:00] The Creation of Anne Boleyn: A New Look at England’s Most Notorious Queen (Susan Bordo • Melville House • 2014) [32:00] The Destruction of Hillary Clinton (Susan Bordo • Melville House • 2017) [37:45] "Margaret Atwood, The Prophet of Dystopia" (Rebecca Mead • New Yorker • Apr 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rachel Kaadzi Ghansah is an essayist. Her latest piece is “A Most American Terrorist: The Making of Dylann Roof.” “I remember feeling like ‘you’re playing chess with evil, and you gotta win.’ Because this is the most terrible thing I’d ever seen. And I was so mad. I still get so mad. Words aren’t enough. I’m angry about it. I can’t do anything to Dylann Roof, physically, so this is what I could do.” Thanks to MailChimp, HelloFresh, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. the-rachelkaadzighansah.tumblr.com Kaadzi Ghansah on Longform [00:45] Kaadzi Ghansah on the Longform Podcast [00:45] "A Most American Terrorist: The Making of Dylann Roof" (GQ • Aug 2017) [22:45] "America’s Most Political Food" (Lauren Collins • New Yorker • Apr 2017) [24:30] Light in August (William Faulkner • Random House • 1990) [44:45] "The Rise of the Valkyries" (Seyward Darby • Harper’s • Sep 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ellen Barry is the former New York Times bureau chief for South Asia. “Every time you leave a beat—and this is something that I think as foreign correspondents we rarely communicate to our readers—you’re walking away from a story which has really been your whole life for four or five years. And it’s hard to walk away…The majority of us live a story for a certain number of years, and then we just turn our backs on it.” Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, and Of a Kind for sponsoring this week's episode. @EllenBarryNYT Barry on Longform [01:15] Barry’s New York Times archive [01:30] "How to Get Away With Murder in Small-Town India" (New York Times • Aug 2017) [03:00] readthissummer.com [06:45] "A Newspaper for Its Time" (Moscow Times • Oct 2012) [07:30] "Lost Exile" (James Verini • Vanity Fair • Feb 2010) [09:15] "The Russia Left Behind" (New York Times • Oct 2013) [11:15] "A Specter’s Shadow Returns to Haunt Moscow" (New York Times • Oct 2008) [16:00] Alice Gregory on the Longform Podcast [17:30] The Name of the Wind (Patrick Rothfuss • DAW Books • 2008) [19:15] Jeffrey Gettleman on the Longform Podcast [24:00] "Shooting An Elephant" (George Orwell • New Writing • 1936) [27:45] "In India, a Small Band of Women Risk It All for a Chance to Work" (New York Times • Jan 2016) [30:15] "Modi, India’s Next Prime Minister, Adopts a Softer Tone" (New York Times • May 2014) [38:15] "In Rare Move, Death Sentence in Delhi Gang Rape Case Is Upheld" (New York Times • May 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kate Fagan is a columnist and feature writer for ESPN. Her latest book is What Made Maddy Run: The Secret Struggles and Tragic Death of an All-American Teen. “When I was professionally closeted, I was kind of bitter. I didn’t have a ton of empathy. And I don’t think I always asked the right question, because I wouldn’t ask people questions that I wouldn’t want to be asked…I had walls up. I wouldn’t even allow myself to be vulnerable in my writing. Because the whole point of my existence at that time was to circumvent any moment that could create vulnerability in a way that would frighten me. And I think you could that see in my writing.” Thanks to MailChimp and HelloFresh for sponsoring this week's episode. @katefagan3 bykatefagan.com [00:00] Stoner [00:45] Fagan’s Archive at ESPN [00:45] Around the Horn [01:00] What Made Maddy Run: The Secret Struggles and Tragic Death of an All-American Teen (Little, Brown and Company • 2017) [01:15] "Split Image" (ESPN • May 2015) [06:30] The Reappearing Act: Coming Out as Gay on a College Basketball Team Led by Born-Again Christians (Skyhorse Publishing • 2014) [07:45] "Storybook Ending Trailing Tennessee Late, Unbeaten Connecticut Got Into Gear In Time To Conclude a Charmed Season" (Austin Murphy • Sports Illustrated • Apr 1995) [16:00] Fagan’s Archive at Ellensburg Daily Record [16:30] Fagan’s Archive at The Post Star [16:45] Fagan’s Archive at The Philadelphia Inquirer [22:00] Deep Sixer Blog [37:45] Madison Holleran’s Instagram [44:15] Outside the Lines [44:15] First Take Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jay Caspian Kang is a writer at large at The New York Times Magazine and a correspondent for Vice News Tonight. “I make a pretty provocative argument about how Asian American identity doesn’t really exist—how it’s basically just an academic idea, and it’s not lived within the lives of anybody who’s Asian. Like you grow up, you’re Korean, you’re a minority. You don’t have any sort of kinship with, like, Indian kids. You know? And there’s no cultural sharedness where you’re just like, ‘oh yeah…Asia!’” Thanks to MailChimp, "Mussolini’s Arctic Airship", Blinkist and for sponsoring this week's episode. @jaycaspiankang Kang’s Blog Kang on Longform [00:00] Mussolini’s Arctic Airship (Eva Holland • Kindle Single • Aug 2017) [00:45] "What a Fraternity Hazing Death Revealed About the Painful Search for an Asian-American Identity" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2017) [00:45] Kang on the Longform Podcast [01:15] Kang’s Archive at The New Yorker [02:30] readthissummer.com [02:45] Havrilesky on the Longform Podcast [05:45] "That Other School Shooting" (New York Times Magazine • Mar 2013) [07:30] The Dead Do Not Improve: A Novel (Hogarth • 2013) [15:15] Tim Ferriss on the Longform Podcast [17:45] "John Wayne: A Love Song" (Joan Didion • Saturday Evening Post • Aug 1965) [22:15] "A Question of Identity" (Grantland • Mar 2012) [24:45] Kang’s Column “On Sports” at The New York Times Magazine [27:30] Les Blank’s Website [27:45] Amy [27:45] Kurt Cobain: Montage of Heck [35:15] "No place like home" (Vice News • Jun 2017) [36:15] "The End and Don King" (Grantland • Apr 2013) [36:45] "Inside the final days of the Standing Rock protest" (Vice • Feb 2017) [37:30] "What comes after Standing Rock?" (Vice • Jan 2017) [39:00] "‘Our Demand Is Simple: Stop Killing Us’" (New York Times Magazine • May 2015) [41:30] "Charlottesville: Race and Terror" (Vice News • Aug 2017) [42:45] "Impeached!" (David Gilbert • Vice News • Dec 2016) [48:00] "Now You See Me" (Vice News • Mar 2017)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

David Gessner is the author of ten books. His latest is Ultimate Glory: Frisbee, Obsession, and My Wild Youth. “The ambition got in my way at first. Because I wanted my stuff to be great, and it froze me up. But later on it was really helpful. I’m startled by the way people don’t, you know, admit [they care] … it seems unlikely people wouldn’t want to be immortal.” Thanks to Casper, Squarespace, and MailChimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @BDsCocktailHour davidgessner.com Gessner on Longform "Not Fuzz" (David Mark Simpson • Atavist • Jul 2017) [01:00] Ultimate Glory: Frisbee, Obsession, and My Wild Youth (Riverhead Books • 2017) [02:00] readthissummer.com [04:45] "No Disc-Respect" (Outside • Jun 2017) [08:15] A Wild, Rank Place: One Year on Cape Cod (University Press of New England • 1997) [08:30] Under the Devil’s Thumb (University of Arizona Press • 1999) [11:00] Sick of Nature (University Press of New England • 2004) [11:00] "Ultimate Glory" (Bill and Dave’s Cocktail Hour • Jan 2012) [11:15] Bill and Dave’s Cocktail Hour [13:00] All the Wild That Remains: Edward Abbey, Wallace Stegner, and the American West (W.W. Norton & Company • 2016) [22:30] Return of the Osprey: A Season of Flight and Wonder (Ballantine • 2002) [26:15] "Meet the Keatles" (Oxford American • Feb 2014) [29:00] "After Hurricane Sandy, One Man Tries to Stop the Reconstruction" (Outside • Oct 2013) [29:30] The Prophet of Dry Hill: Lessons From a Life in Nature (Beacon Press • 2005) [30:15] "Those Who Write, Teach" (New York Times Magazine • Sep 2008) [37:45] Nina de Gramont’s Website [43:30] "This Is Your Brain on Nature" (National Geographic • Jan 2017)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Matthew Klam is a journalist and fiction writer. His new novel is Who Is Rich?. “The New Yorker had hyped me with this “20 Under 40” thing…and when the tenth anniversary of that list [came], somebody wrote an article about it. And they found everybody in it, and I was the only one who hadn’t done anything since then, according to them. And the article, it was a little paragraph or two, it ended with ‘poor Matthew Klam.’” Thanks to MailChimp, Casper, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. @MatthewKlam matthewklam.com [01:00] Sam the Cat: and Other Stories (Vintage • 2001) [01:00] Who Is Rich?: A Novel (Random House • 2017) [01:45] Doree Shafrir on Longform [01:45] Elif Batuman on Longform [02:00] readthissummer.com [03:00] "Matthew Klam’s New Book Is Only 17 Years Overdue" (Taffy Brodesser-Akner • Vulture • Jul 2017) [03:15] "Experiencing Ecstasy" (New York Times Magazine • Jan 2001) [04:15] "Sam the Cat" (New Yorker • May 1993) [sub req’d] [05:30] "What Do You Think of Ted Williams Now?" (Richard Ben Cramer • Esquire • Jun 1986) [06:15] "Missing the Boom; Some of My Best Friends Are Rich" (New York Times Magazine • Jun 1998) [06:30] Klam’s Story About His Hasidic Cousins in McSweeney’s Issue 33 [06:45] "The Pilot’s Tale" (Harper’s • Feb 1999) [sub req’d] [09:00] "Big Event Brent" (GQ) [pdf] [11:15] "Riding the Mo In the Lime Green Glow" (New York Times Magazine • Nov 1999) [14:15] "How to Get Over an Aversion to Whiskey" (Wall Street Journal • Jun 2017) [sub req’d] [15:45] Quantico [19:30] "Freak" (Devin Friedman • GQ • Feb 2010) [20:30] "The Man in the Irony Mask" (GQ • Mar 2008) [28:00] A Tragic Honesty: The Life and Work of Richard Yates (Blake Bailey • Picador • 2004) [28:00] Cheever: A Life (Blake Bailey • Vintage • 2010) [29:00] "Adina, Astrid, Chipewee, Jasmine" (New Yorker • May 2006) [30:00] Look at Me: A Novel (Jennifer Egan • Anchor • 2002) [30:15] The Invisible Circus (Jennifer Egan • Anchor • 1995) [31:30] "20 Under 40" (New Yorker • 1999) [31:30] "The New Yorker’s 20 Under 40 Fiction Special Will Save Fiction Again" (Mark Asch • The L Magazine • May 2010) [38:45] Andy Ward on the Longform Podcast [43:15] The Things They Carried (Tim O’Brien • Mariner Books • 2009) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Maggie Haberman covers the White House for The New York Times. “If I start thinking about it, then I’m not going to be able to just keep doing my job. I'm being as honest as I can — I try not to think about it. If you’re flying a plane and you think about the fact that if the plane blows up in midair you’re gonna die, do you feel like you can really focus as well? So, I’m not thinking about [the stakes]. This is just my job. This is what we do. Ask me another question.” Thanks to MailChimp, Bombfell, Babbel, and HelloFresh for sponsoring this week's episode. @maggieNYT Haberman on Longform [01:45] "Manafort Talks With Senate Investigators About Meeting With Russians" (with Eileen Sullivan and Adam Goldman • New York Times • Jul 2017) [02:15] Haberman’s New York Times archive [02:30] Haberman’s New York Post archive [02:30] Haberman’s New York Daily News archive [03:15] readthissummer.com [03:45] "Paladino assails Cuomo’s parenting" (Politico • Oct 2010) [09:00] Harold and the Purple Crayon (Crockett Johnson • Harper Collins • 2015) [12:45] "Inside Donald Trump’s Last Stand: An Anxious Nominee Seeks Assurance" (with Ashley Parker, Jeremy W. Peters, and Michael Barbaro • New York Times • Nov 2016) [22:45] Private Parts [25:00] "Excerpts From the Times’s Interview With Trump" (with Peter Baker and Michael S. Schmidt • New York Times • Jul 2017) [35:15] "Trump and Staff Rethink Tactics After Stumbles" (with Glenn Thrush • New York Times • Feb 2017) [38:45] Steve Dunleavy’s New York Post archive [47:45] Broadcast News Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Steven Levy writes for Wired, where he is the editor of Backchannel. “It’s about people. Travis Kalanick’s foibles aren’t because he’s a technology executive. It’s because he’s Travis Kalanick. That’s the way he is. There is a certain strain in Silicon Valley, which rewards totally driven people, but that is humanity. And advanced technology is no guarantee—and as a matter of fact I don’t think it’ll do anything—from stopping ill-intentioned people from doing ill-intentioned things.” Thanks to MailChimp, Audm, Rover, and Babbel for sponsoring this week's episode. @StevenLevy stevenlevy.com Levy on Longform [03:00] readthissummer.com [04:00] "Hackers in Paradise" (Rolling Stone • Apr 1982) [05:45] Whole Earth Catalog [06:15] Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution (O’Reilly Media • 2010) [11:00] "The Birth of the Mac: Rolling Stone’s 1984 Feature on Steve Jobs and his Whiz Kids" (Rolling Stone • Oct 2011) [19:00] "Mark Zuckerberg on Facebook’s Future, From Virtual Reality to Anonymity" (Wired • Apr 2014) [20:45] Levy's MTV Cover Story (Rolling Stone • 1983) [not online] [23:30] Levy's Bruce Springsteen Story (Philadelphia Magazine • 1975) [not online] [28:00] New York Diaries: 1609 to 2009 (Teresa Carpenter • Modern Library • 2012) [30:30] "Reviewing the First Iphone In a Hype Typhoon" (Wired • Jun 2017) [31:30] "From the Archives: The Original Review of ‘Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band’" (Richard Goldstein • New York Times • Jun 2017) [32:00] Without a Doubt (Marcia Clark with Teresa Carpenter • Graymalkin Media • 2016) [37:45] Levy’s Archive at Newsweek [39:45] In the Plex: How Google Thinks, Works, and Shapes Our Lives (Simon & Schuster • 2011) [42:30] Backchannel [48:45] "One More Thing: Inside Apple’s Insanely Great (or Just Insane) New Mothership" (Wired • May 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mark Bowden is a journalist and the author of 13 books, including Black Hawk Down and his latest, Hue 1968: A Turning Point of the American War in Vietnam. “My goal is never to condemn someone that I’m writing about. It’s always to understand them. And that, to me, is far more interesting than passing judgment on them. I want you to read about Che Thi Mung, an 18-year-old village girl, who was selling hats on corners in Hue in the daytime and going home and sharpening spikes to go into booby traps to try and kill American soldiers and ARVN soldiers in the evening. I want to understand why she would do that, why she would be so motivated to do that. And I think I did.” Thanks to MailChimp, LeVar Burton Reads, Babbel, and HelloFresh for sponsoring this week's episode. @markbowdenwrite markbowdenbooks.com Bowden on Longform [01:00] Black Hawk Down: A Story of Modern War (Grove Press • 2010) [01:00] Bowden’s Black Hawk Down Series at The Inquirer [01:15] Bowden’s Archive at The Atlantic [01:15] Hue 1968: A Turning Point of the American War in Vietnam (Atlantic Monthly Press • 2017) [02:00] Startup: A Novel (Doree Shafrir • Little, Brown and Company • 2017) [02:00] readthissummer.com [09:30] "Hell Sucks" (Michael Herr • Esquire • Aug 1968) [10:15] The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test (Tom Wolfe • Picador • 2008) [10:30] Thy Neighbor’s Wife (Gay Talese • Harper Perennial • 2009) [11:15] Bowden’s Inquirer stories reprinted in Road Work: Among Tyrants, Beasts, Heroes, and Rogues (Atlantic Monthly Press • 2004) [24:15] "Tales of the Tyrant" (Atlantic • May 2002) [28:30] Worm: The First Digital World War (Atlantic Monthly Press • 2011) [29:15] The Finish: The Killing of Osama bin Laden (Atlantic Monthly Press • 2012) [35:00] Erin Lee Carr on the Longform Podcast [35:45] "The Enemy Within" (Atlantic • Jun 2010) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brian Reed, a senior producer at This American Life, is the host of S-Town. “It’s a story about the remarkableness of what could be called an unremarkable life.” Thanks to MailChimp, Babbel, and Squarespace for sponsoring this episode. @brihreed Reed's This American Life archive [28:45] Cops See It Differently, Part One (This American Life • Feb 2015) [28:45] Wake Up Now (This American Life • Dec 2014) [44:30] Stoner (John Wiliams • Viking • 1965) [45:15] Photo of the S-Town planning room [46:00] The Known World: A Novel (Edward P. Jones • HarperCollins • 2003) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ginger Thompson is a Pulitzer Prize-winning senior reporter at ProPublica. Her most recent article is "How the U.S. Triggered a Massacre in Mexico." “How many times have I written the phrase ‘a town that was controlled by drug traffickers?' I had no idea what that really meant. What does it mean to live in a town that’s controlled by drug traffickers? And how does it get that way? One of the things I was hoping that we could do by having the people who actually lived through that explain it to us was that—to bring you close to that and say, ‘No, here’s what that means.’” Thanks to MailChimp, Casper, and Outside the Box for sponsoring this week's episode. @gingerthomp1 Thompson on Longform [01:30] "How the U.S. Triggered a Massacre in Mexico" (ProPublica / National Geographic • Jun 2017) [01:45] Thompson’s Archive at The New York Times [01:45] "Trafficking In Terror" (New Yorker • Dec 2015) [02:30] readthissummer.com [02:45] Patient H.M.: A Story of Memory, Madness, and Family Secrets (Luke Dittrich • Random House • 2016) [02:45] Luke Dittrich on the Longform Podcast [05:15] Voices from Chernobyl: The Oral History of a Nuclear Disaster (Svetlana Alexievich • Picador • 2006) [34:30] "A Drug Family in the Winner’s Circle" (New York Times • Jun 2012) [38:45] "Nafta to Open Foodgates, Engulfing Rural Mexico" (New York Times • Dec 2002) [38:45] Thompson’s “Fatal secretes in Honduras” series (with Gary Cohn • Baltimore Sun • 1995) [43:15] "Calderón Wins Narrow Victory in Mexico Election" (with James C. McKinley Jr. • New York Times • Jul 2006) [45:30] "Mexico City Journal; The Rich, Famous and Aghast: A Peep-Show Book" (New York Times • Sep 2002) [46:30] "Richest Mexican talks equity— Business International Herald Tribune" (New York Times • Jun 2006) [52:15] "Reaping What Was Sown On the Old Plantation; A Landowner Tells Her Family’s Truth. A Park Ranger Wants a Broader Truth." (New York Times • Jun 2000) [55:30] "‘There’s No Real Fight Against Drugs’" (Atlantic • Jul 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Patricia Lockwood is a poet and essayist. Her new book is Priestdaddy: A Memoir. “[Prose writing is] strange to me as a poet. I’m like, ‘Well I guess I’ll tell you just what happened then.’ But the humor has to be there as well. Because in my family household…the absurdity or the surrealism that we have is in reaction to the craziness of the household. So something like your underwear-clad father with his hand in a vat of pickles, sitting in a room full of $10,000 guitars and telling you that he can’t afford to send you to college—that’s bad. That’s a sad scene. But it’s also totally a lunatic scene. It’s, just the very fact of it, all these accoutrements, all the elements of the scene—they are funny.” Thanks to Audible and MailChimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @TriciaLockwood Lockwood on Longform [00:00] Stoner [01:00] Priestdaddy: A Memoir (Riverhead Books • 2017) [02:00] readthissummer.com [02:30] How To Be a Person in the World (Heather Havrilesky • Doubleday • 2016) [02:30] Heather Havrilesky on the Longform Podcast [09:15] Balloon Pop Outlaw Black (Octopus Books • 2012) [10:00] Wave Books [10:00] Octopus Books [10:15] Black Ocean [11:30] "The Dark Mystery of Emily Dickinson’s ‘Master’ Letters" (Nicholas Rombes • The Rumpus • May 2011) [12:00] Motherland Fatherland Homelandsexuals (Penguin Poets • 2014) [20:15] Lockwood’s Jonathan Franzen Tweet [20:45] Lockwood’s Paris Review Tweet Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

John Grisham is the author of 38 books, including his latest novel, Camino Island. “A Time to Kill didn’t sell. It just didn’t sell. There was never any talk of going back for a second printing. No talk of paper back. No foreign deal. It was a flop. And I told my wife, I said, ‘Look, I’m gonna do it one more time. I’m gonna write one more book…hopefully something more commercial, more accessible, more popular. If this doesn’t work, forget this career. Forget this hobby. I’m just gonna be a lawyer and get on with it.” Thanks to Casper, Squarespace, and MailChimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @JohnGrisham jgrisham.com [00:30] The Firm (Dell • 2009) [00:30] The Pelican Brief: A Novel (Dell • 2010) [00:30] The Innocent Man: Murder and Injustice in a Small Town (Dell • 2012) [01:30] Wesley Lowery on the Longform Podcast [01:30] Heather Havrilesky on the Longform Podcast [01:30] Hua Hsu on the Longform Podcast [01:45] Luke Dittrich on the Longform Podcast [01:45] Krista Tippett on the Longform Podcast [02:15] readthissummer.com [08:00] A Time to Kill: A Novel (Dell • 2009) [15:15] The Great Gatsby (F. Scott Fitzgerald • Scribner • 2004) [15:15] The Grapes of Wrath (John Steinbeck • Penguin Classics • 2006) [19:45] The Firm [23:00] Camino Island: A Novel (Doubleday • 2017) [28:45] "The Law-School Scam" (Paul Campos • Atlantic • Sep 2014) [36:45] Book Tour with John Grisham [49:30] Stoner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Erin Lee Carr is a documentary filmmaker and writer. Her new film is Mommy Dead and Dearest. “I feel like I’ve always had the story down—that’s not been really difficult for me. So the difficult thing, I think, for me, has always been access. Can I get the access? Can I withstand the pressure? You know, there’s been so many times where I wasn’t being paid to do the job, and I had to wait on the access. And it’s not for the faint of heart. You know, I could have spent a year and a half of my life doing [Mommy Dead and Dearest] and I could’ve not gotten the access to Gypsy, and it kind of would’ve been a wash.” Thanks to MailChimp, Kindle, Squarespace, V by Viacom, and HelloFresh for sponsoring this week's episode. @erinleecarr erinleecarr.com [02:00] Mommy Dead and Dearest [02:00] Thought Crimes: The Case of the Cannibal Cop [02:30] "Dee Dee Wanted Her Daughter To Be Sick, Gypsy Wanted Her Mom To Be Murdered" (Michelle Dean • BuzzFeed • Aug 2016) [04:30] Carr’s Vice archive [05:15] Girls [05:45] Capturing the Friedmans [11:15] "First Animal to Survive in Space" (Motherboard • Sep 2012) [12:45] David Carr’s Archive at The New York Times [13:45] "David Carr: The News Diet of a Media Omnivore" (Fresh Air • Oct 2011) [14:15] Click, Print, Gun: The Inside story of the 3D-Printed Gun Movement [25:00] Raw Deal: The Untold Story of NYPD’s “Cannibal Cop” (Gil Valle • WildBlue Press • 2017) [32:00] Nick Bilton on the Longform Podcast [32:00] American Kingpin: The Epic Hunt for the Criminal Mastermind Behind the Silk Road (Nick Bilton • Portfolio • 2017) [42:45] Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills [47:00] "Erin Lee Carr’s New True-Crime Documentary to Air on HBO (Exclusive)" (Gregg Kilday • Hollywood Reporter • Oct 2016) [50:30] "Laura Poitras, Glen Greenwald and Edward Snowden with David Carr" (Times Talks • Feb 2015) [52:15] "Still Rendering" (Medium • Feb 2016) [55:00] The Night of the Gun: A reporter investigates the darkest story of his life. His own. (David Carr • Simon & Schuster • 2009) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ariel Levy, a New Yorker staff writer, is the author of The Rules Do Not Apply. “I don’t believe in ‘would this’ and ‘would that.’ There’s no ‘everything happens for a reason.’ Everything happens, and then you just fucking deal. I mean we could play that game with everything, but time only moves in one direction. That’s a bad game. You shouldn’t play that game—you’ll break your own heart.” Thanks to MailChimp, Kindle, V by Viacom, and 2U for sponsoring this week's episode. @avlskies ariellevy.net Levy on Longform [00:45] The Front Row [01:00] Outside the Box [02:15] Levy’s New Yorker archive [02:30] Ariel Levy on the Longform Podcast [02:30] The Rules Do Not Apply: A Memoir (Random House • 2017) [13:00] Female Chauvinist Pigs: Women and the Rise of Raunch Culture (Free Press • 2005) [20:00] Fan Club [24:15] "Thanksgiving in Mongolia" (New Yorker • Nov 2013) [25:30] "Trial by Twitter" (New Yorker • Aug 2013) [25:30] "The Perfect Wife" (New Yorker • Sep 2013) [25:45] "Breaking the Waves" (New Yorker • Feb 2014) [25:45] "Living-Room Leopards" (New Yorker • May 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jeffrey Gettleman is the East Africa Bureau Chief for the New York Times and the author of Love, Africa: A Memoir of Romance, War, and Survival. “I’m not an adventure-seeking adrenaline junky. I like to explore new worlds, but I’m not one of these chain-smoking, hard-drinking, partying types that just wants thrills all the time. And unfortunately that’s an aspect of the job. And as I get older and I’ve been through more and more, the question gets louder. Which is: Why do you keep doing this? Because you feel like you only have so many points, and eventually the points are going to run out.” Thanks to MailChimp, V by Viacom, 2U, and Kindle for sponsoring this week's episode. @gettleman Gettleman on Longform [01:15] Gettleman’s Archive at The New York Times [01:30] Gettleman’s Pulitzer Prize-winning work [01:30] Love, Africa: A Memoir of Romance, War, and Survival (Harper • 2017) [08:30] Tampa Bay Times (Previously St. Petersburg Times) [11:30] Fan Club [12:30] The Front Row [18:00] "Into the Heart of Falluja" (New York Times Magazine • May 2004) [22:00] "The World’s Worst War" (New York Times • Dec 2012) [30:00] "Rape Epidemic Raises Trauma of Congo War" (New York Times • Oct 2007) [30:30] "Elephants Dying in Epic Frenzy as Ivory Fuels Wars and Profits" (New York Times • Sep 2012) [35:45] Heart of Darkness (Joseph Conrad • Dover Publications • 1990) [38:45] "Ominous Signs, Then a Cruel Attack" (New York Times • Sep 2013) [45:45] "Jeffrey Gettleman’s World of War" (Jack Shafer • Slate • Mar 2009) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rafe Bartholomew is the former features editor at Grantland and the author of Two and Two: McSorley’s, My Dad, and Me. “I never saw it as something negative because [my dad] comes out, to me, at the end, extremely heroic. … He becomes this dad who I idolized as a bartender, a guy who would hang out with me and make me laugh, a guy I just adored almost every step of the way. I mean, of course, everybody gets into fights. But to me it was always so obvious that he had overcome the problems in his childhood, he’d overcome his own drinking problem, he’d done all these things, and by the time I was older, he’d even found a way to get back into writing and self-publish a couple of books of poems about the bar. So he’s sort of managed to tick off all those goals, just maybe not on the same schedule, maybe not in the most normal way.” Thanks to MailChimp, V by Viacom, and 2U for sponsoring this week's episode. @Rafeboogs rafebartholomew.com Bartholomew on Longform Pacific Rims: Beermen Ballin’ in Flip-Flops and the Philippines’ Unlikely Love Affair with Basketball (Berkley • 2011) Bartholomew’s Archive at Grantland Two and Two: McSorley’s, My Dad, and Me (Little, Brown & Company • 2017) "The Old House at Home" (Joseph Mitchell • New Yorker • Apr 1940) [3:45] Bartholomew’s Archive at Harper’s [22:00] The Last Shot: City Streets, Basketball Dreams (Darcy Frey • Mariner Books • 2013) [22:00] Swee’ Pea: The Story of Lloyd Daniels and Other Playground Basketball Legends (John Valenti • Atria • 2016) [29:00] Coverage of Grantland at Deadspin [29:30] "The Legend of the Iron Five" (Chuck Klosterman • Grantland • Jun 2011) [24:11] "Press X for Beer Bottle: On L.A. Noire" (Tom Bissell • Grantland • Jun 2011) [37:10] "Mayweather-Pacquiao: A Sad Morning in Manila" (Grantland • May 2015) [38:30] "One Hundred Years of Arm Bars" (David Samuels • Grantland • Aug 2015) [44:30] "Death and Tradition at the U.K. Grand National" (Sam Knight • Grantland • Apr 2013) [45:00] "Dropped" (Jason Fagone • Grantland • Mar 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nick Bilton is a special correspondent for Vanity Fair and the author of American Kingpin: The Epic Hunt for the Criminal Mastermind Behind the Silk Road. “I’ve been covering tech for a long, long time. And the thing I’ve always tried to do is cover the people of the tech culture, not the tech itself. … I've always been interested in the good and bad side of technology. A lot of times the problem in Silicon Valley is that people come up with a good idea that’s supposed to do a good thing—you know, to change the world and make it a better place. And it ends up inevitably having a recourse that they don’t imagine.” Thanks to MailChimp, Viacom, and Audible for sponsoring this week's episode. @nickbilton nickbilton.com Bilton on Longform [00:00] Ponzi Supernova [01:15] American Kingpin: The Epic Hunt for the Criminal Mastermind Behind the Silk Road (Portfolio • 2017) [01:45] Bilton’s New York Times archive [01:45] Bilton’s Vanity Fair archive [01:45] Hatching Twitter: A True Story of Money, Power, Friendship, and Betrayal (Portfolio • 2014) [07:30] "The Underground Website Where You Can Buy Any Drug Imaginable" (Adrian Chen • Gawker • Jun 2011) [07:30] Adrian Chen’s first appearance on the Longform Podcast [07:30] Adrian Chen’s second appearance on the Longform Podcast [09:15] NYC Resistor [11:45] "Uber’s C.E.O. Plays With Fire" (Mike Isaac • New York Times • Apr 2017) [16:00] Fan Club [21:30] Bits, New York Times technology blog [21:45] Gizmodo [23:00] Bill Keller’s New York Times archive [23:00] John Markoff’s New York Times archive [25:45] "The iEconomy" series [27:30] "How the Kindle Moved From BlackBerry to iPad" (New York Times • Sep 2011) [29:45] "Disruptions: Fliers Must Turn Off Devices, but It’s Not Clear Why" (New York Times • Nov 2011) [50:45] "Meet the Dread Pirate Roberts, The Man Behind Booming Black Market Drug Website Silk Road" (Andy Greenberg • Forbes • Sep 2013) [50:45] "Silk Road Creator Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison" (Andy Greenberg • Wired • May 2015) [50:45] "The Rise & Fall of Silk Road Part I" (Joshuah Bearman • Wired • Apr 2015) [50:45] "The Rise & Fall of Silk Road Part II" (Joshuah Bearman • Wired • May 2015) [51:00] "Exclusive: How Elizabeth Holmes’s House of Cards Came Tumbling Down" (Vanity Fair • Oct 2016) [52:00] "‘It’s An Honor’" (Jimmy Breslin • New York Herald Tribune • Nov 1963) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Samin Nosrat is a food writer, educator, and chef. Her new book is Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat: Mastering the Elements of Good Cooking. “I kind of couldn’t exist as just a cook or a writer. I kind of need to be both. Because they fulfill these two totally different parts of myself and my brain. Cooking is really social, it’s very physical, and also you don’t have any time to become attached to your product. You hand it off and somebody eats it, and literally tomorrow it’s shit. … Whereas with writing, it’s the exact opposite. It’s super solitary. It’s super cerebral. And you have all the time in the world to get attached to your thing and freak out about it.” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, Away, and Masters of Scale for sponsoring this week's episode. @CiaoSamin ciaosamin.com [01:45] Chez Panisse [02:00] Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat: Mastering the Elements of Good Cooking (Simon & Schuster • 2017) [03:30] Pop-Up Magazine [27:45] Cooked: A Natural History of Transformation (Michael Pollan • Penguin Books • 2014) [30:00] Nosrat’s Archive at Edible [30:45] "Out of the Kitchen, Onto the Couch" (Michael Pollan • New York Times Magazine • Jul 2009) [34:00] Wendy MacNaughton on the Longform Podcast [37:45] An Everlasting Meal: Cooking with Economy and Grace (Tamar Adler • Scribner • 2012) [39:15] Levels of the Game (John McPhee • Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 1979) [52:15] Outliers: The Story of Success (Malcolm Gladwell • Back Bay Books • 2011) [54:30] Golden Boy Pizza [55:30] "Cookbook Author Samin Nosrat Celebrates with Champagne and Babybels" (Sierra Tishgart • Grub Street • Apr 2017) [57:00] Salt Sugar Fat: How the Food Giants Hooked Us (Michael Moss • Random House • 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah Menkedick is a freelance writer and the founder of Vela. Her upcoming book is Homing Instincts: Early Motherhood on a Midwestern Farm. “I’d been rejected a ton of times—I had that 400-page thing that never became a book. So there were plenty of epic rejections that felt catastrophic. And I’d sort of arrived at this point where I was like: I’m living in my parents' cabin, and I’m pregnant, so whatever. Fuck it. I’m gonna write whatever I want to write.” Thanks to MailChimp and Blue Apron for sponsoring this week's episode. @sarahmenkedick sarahmenkedick.com Menkedick on Longform [00:15] The Writing Program at the University of Pittsburgh [01:00] Aaron and the Donut Dude [01:15] Homing Instincts: Early Motherhood on a Midwestern Farm (Pantheon • 2017) [01:15] Vela [02:15] "Why don’t people take writing about motherhood seriously? Because women do it" (Los Angeles Times • Apr 2017) [07:45] "A Wilderness of Waiting" (Vela • Feb 2015) [09:15] "Good Pilgrims" (Harper’s • Jul 2014) [17:30] "Living on the Hyphen" (Oxford American • Oct 2014) [19:30] "Sarah Menkedick’s Four Books on Early Motherhood" (Vela • Aug 2015) [22:30] "Written by Women" (Vela • Sep 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

David Grann is a staff writer at The New Yorker. His new book is Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI. “The more stories I reported over time, the more I just realized there are parts of the story I can’t always get to. You know, unless this is a reality show and there’s 18 cameras in every room, and people [talk] before they sleep, and maybe you have some mind-bug in their brain for their unconscious, there are just parts you’re just not gonna know. You get as close as you can. And so the struggle to me is to get as close as I can, to peel it back as close as I can, but understanding that there will be elements, there will be pieces, that will remain lingering doubts.” Thanks to Stamps.com, Squarespace, and MailChimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @DavidGrann davidgrann.com Grann on Longform [00:45] David Grann on the Longform Podcast [01:45] Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI (Doubleday • 2017) [14:15] Stoner [22:15] Scrivener [37:00] "The Yankee Comandante" (New Yorker • May 2012) [38:45] The Hill [43:15] "Trial By Fire" (New Yorker • Sep 2009) [1:03:45] Absalom, Absalom! (William Faulkner • Vintage • 1990) [1:03:45] "How William Faulkner Tackled Race—and Freed the South From Itself" (John Jeremiah Sullivan • New York Times Magazine • June 2012) [1:04:15] Austerlitz (W.G. Sebald • Modern Library • 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Alex Kotlowitz is a journalist whose work has appeared in print, radio, and film. He’s the author of three books, including There Are No Children Here: The Story of Two Boys Growing Up in the Other America. “The truth of the matter is, given what we do, we’re always outsiders. If it’s not by race or class, it’s by gender, religion, politics. It’s just the nature of being a nonfiction writer—going into communities that, at some level, feel unfamiliar. If you’re writing about stuff you already know about, where’s the joy in that? Where’s the sense of discovery? Why bother?” Thanks to MailChimp and MeUndies for sponsoring this week's episode. alexkotlowitz.com Kotlowitz on Longform [00:00] "Episode 03: Nick Denton, founder of Gawker Media" (Stoner • Apr 2017) [01:30] There Are No Children Here: The Story of Two Boys Growing Up in the Other America (First Anchor Books • 1992) [01:45] The Other Side of the River: A Story of Two Towns, a Death, and America’s Dilemma (First Anchor Books • 1999) [01:45] The Interrupters [02:30] "The Trenchcoat Robbers" (New Yorker • Jul 2002) [05:00] Common Ground: A Turbulent Decade in the Lives of Three American Families (J. Anthony Lukas • First Vintage Books • 1986) [14:45] "487: Harper High School, Part One" (This American Life • Feb 2013) [14:45] "488: Harper High School, Part Two" (This American Life • Feb 2013) [24:45] "179: Cicero" (This American Life • Mar 2001) [31:30] In the Lake of the Woods (Tim O’Brien • First Mariner Books • 2006) [35:30] Never a City So Real: A Walk in Chicago (Crown Journeys • 2004) [45:15] Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith (Jon Krakauer • First Anchor Books • 2004)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brian Reed, a senior producer at This American Life, is the host of S-Town. “It’s a story about the remarkableness of what could be called an unremarkable life.” Thanks to MailChimp, Casper, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. @brihreed Reed's This American Life archive [30:00] "Cops See It Differently" (This American Life • Feb 2015) [30:00] "Wake Up Now" (This American Life • Dec 2014) [45:45] Stoner (John Wiliams • Viking • 1965) [49:30] Photo of the S-Town planning room [47:15] The Known World: A Novel (Edward P. Jones • HarperCollins • 2003) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hrishikesh Hirway is the host of Song Exploder. “I love the idea that somebody would listen to an episode [of Song Exploder] and then the feeling that they would have afterwards is, ‘Now I want to make something.’ That’s the best possible reaction. Whether it’s music or not, just that idea: ‘I want to make something.’ Because that is the thing that I love most, getting that feeling.” Thanks to MailChimp and MeUndies for sponsoring this week's episode. @HrishiHirway [00:00] Stoner [01:45] BBC’s Classic Albums [02:30] "Episode 80: Bojack Horseman" (Song Exploder • Aug 2016) [02:30] "Episode 95: Moonlight" (Song Exploder • Jan 2017) [09:15] Genius [09:30] Who Sampled [18:00] 99% Invisible [19:15] "Episode 42: U2" (Song Exploder • Jun 2015) [22:30] The One AM Radio [23:00] Moors [26:30] City Soundtracks [28:15] The West Wing Weekly [33:30] "Episode 111: Louis CK Part 1" (WTF with Marc Maron • Oct 2010) [38:45] "Episode 84: Peter Bjorn and John" (Song Exploder • Sep 2016) [44:45] Francis and the Lights Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sheelah Kolhatkar is a staff writer at The New Yorker and the author of Black Edge: Inside Information, Dirty Money, and the Quest to Bring Down the Most Wanted Man on Wall Street. “Suddenly the financial crisis happened and all this stuff that had been hidden from view came out into the open. It was like, ‘Oh, this was actually all kind of a big façade.’ And there was all this fraud and stealing and manipulation and corruption, and all these other things going on underneath the whole shiny rock star surface. And that really also demonstrated to people how connected business stories, or anything to do with money, are to everything else going on. I mean, really almost everything that happens in our world, if you trace it back to its source, it’s money at the root of it.” Thanks to MailChimp, Blue Apron, and Stamps.com for sponsoring this week's episode. @sheelahk sheelahkolhatkar.com Kolhatkar on Longform [00:15] SAIC Application [00:30] Pregnant Pause [01:15] Missing Richard Simmons [04:00] Black Edge: Inside Information, Dirty Money, and the Quest to Bring Down the Most Wanted Man on Wall Street (Random House • 2017) [07:30] Kolhatkar’s Observer archive [09:15] "Suzy Wetlaufer Preparing To Be 'Neutron Jackie'" (Observer • Apr 2004) [15:00] "Hedge Funds Are for Suckers" (Bloomberg • Jul 2013) [17:45] Kolhatkar’s Time archive [18:00] "Poor Ruth" (New York • Jul 2009) [26:30] "When the Feds Went After the Hedge-Fund Legend Steven A. Cohen" (New Yorker • Jan 2017) [27:00] "Cheating, Incorporated" (Bloomberg • Feb 2011) [29:15] "The $40-Million Elbow" (Nick Paumgarten • New Yorker • Oct 2006) [35:15] "On the Trail of SAC Capital’s Steven Cohen" (Bloomberg • Jan 2013) [53:45] To Catch a Trader [58:15] "Trump’s Wolves of Wall Street" (New Yorker • Dec 2016) [59:45] "Juno Takes on Uber" (New Yorker • Oct 2016) [59:45] "Financiers Fight Over the American Dream" (New Yorker • Mar 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Al Baker is a crime reporter at The New York Times, where he writes the series “Murder in the 4-0.” “When there’s a murder in a public housing high rise, there’s a body on the floor. Jessica White in a playground, on a hot summer night. Her children saw it. Her body fell by a bench by a slide. You look up and there’s hundreds of windows, representing potentially thousands of eyes, looking down on that like a fishbowl. …They’re seeing it through the window and they can see that there’s a scarcity of response. And then they measure that against the police shooting that happened in February when there were three helicopters in the air and spotlights shining down on them all night and hundreds of officers with heavy armor going door to door to door to find out who shot a police officer. They can see the difference between a civilian death and an officer death.” Thanks to MailChimp and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. @bakeal [02:15] Murder in the 4-0 [04:15] Baker’s Archive at New York Daily News [08:15] "The myth of the killer-cop ‘epidemic’" (Michael Walsh • New York Post • Jan 2016) [09:15] The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness (Michelle Alexander • The New Press • 2012) [11:15] "A Bronx Precinct Where Killings Persist" (with Benjamin Mueller • New York Times • Feb 2016) [14:15] "From the archives: TWA Flight 800, flying with fear" (Newsday Staff Writers • Newsday • Jul 1996) [15:45] "A Bullet Misses Its Mark, and Then Takes a Fatal Detour" (with James C. McKinley Jr. • New York Times • Jan 2017) [21:15] "A Mother Is Shot Dead on a Playground, and a Sea of Witnesses Goes Silent" (with Benjamin Mueller • New York Times • Oct 2016) [22:45] "A Familiar Pattern in a Spouse’s Final Act" (with Benjamin Mueller & Ashley Southall • New York Times • Apr 2016) [22:45] "Quest for a New Life Ends in a Tangle of Gang Ties" (with James C. McKinley Jr. • New York Times • Aug 2016) [30:30] "Authorities Move to Charge 16 Officers After Widespread Ticket-Fixing" (with William K. Rashbaum • New York Times • Oct 2011) [36:15] Rukmini Callimachi on the Longform Podcast [37:30] Good Cop, Bad Cop: Joseph Trimboli vs Michael Dowd and the NY Police Department (Mike Mcalary • Pocket Books • 1996) [40:45] "A Cloak of Silence After a South Bronx Killing" (with Benjamin Mueller • New York Times • Mar 2016) [43:15] "Grandmother’s Killing Lays Bare a Dilemma in Child Welfare Work" (with James C. McKinley Jr. & Ashley Southall • New York Times • Nov 2016) [45:45] Random Family: Love, Drugs, Trouble, and Coming of Age in the Bronx (Adrian Nicole LeBlanc • Scribner • 2003) [47:30] "William Bratton, New York’s Influential Police Commissioner, Is Stepping Down" (with J. David Goodman • New York Times • Aug 2016) [47:30] "Ahmad Khan Rahami Is Arrested in Manhattan and New Jersey Bombings" (with Marc Santora, William K. Rashbaum, & Adam Goldman • New York Times • Sep 2016) [50:45] Seymour Hersh on the Longform Podcast [56:45] "Cops’ Favorite Target Thug, but Just Who Was the Guy?" (Michael Wilson • New York Times • Feb 2005) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Caity Weaver is a staff writer at GQ. “I always try to remember: you don’t have to tell people what you’re not good at. You don’t have to remind them of what you’re not doing well or what your weak points are. Don’t apologize for things immediately. Always give a little less information than they need. Don’t overshare.” Thanks to MailChimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @caityweaver caity.info Weaver on Longform [02:30] "Kim Kardashian West Has a Few Things to Get Off Her Chest" (GQ • Jun 2016) [11:45] Weaver's Hairpin archive [13:00] Weaver's Gawker archive [13:00] A.J. Daulerio on the Longform Podcast [15:30] "New Jersey Children Forced to Shun Sad, Friendless Bear" (Gawker• Jun 2013) [16:30] "Justin Bieber Would Like to Reintroduce Himself" (GQ • Feb 2016) [18:00] "Larry David and Julia Louis-Dreyfus Are Furious" (GQ • Nov 2015) [25:15] "Gawker Slammed for Story Outing Condé Nast Exec" (Jessica Roy • New York • Jul 2015) [25:45] "Caity Weaver Takes the Gawker Buyout" (Benjamin Mullin • Poynter • Jul 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Matthew Cole is an investigative reporter at The Intercept, where he recently published “The Crimes of Seal Team 6.” “I’ve gotten very polite and very impolite versions of ‘go fuck yourself.’ I used to have a little sheet of paper where I wrote down those responses just as the vernacular that was given to me: ‘You’re a shitty reporter, and I don’t talk to shitty reporters.’ You know, I’ve had some very polite ones, [but] I’ve had people threaten me with their dogs. Some of it is absolutely cold.” Thanks to Squarespace, Blue Apron, and MailChimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @matthewacole matthewacole.com Cole on Longform [02:45] "The Crimes of Seal Team 6" (The Intercept • Jan 2017) [18:45] "SEAL Team 6: A Secret History of Quiet Killings and Blurred Lines" (Mark Mazzetti, Nicholas Kulish, Christopher Drew, Serge F. Kovaleski, Sean D. Naylor, and John Ismay • New York Times • Jun 2015) [21:00] "NBC Suspends Brian Williams for Six Months Over Iraq Helicopter Story" (Rory Carroll • Guardian • Feb 2015) [27:45] "How the NSA Plans to Infect ‘Millions’ of Computers With Malware" (Ryan Gallagher and Glenn Greenwald • The Intercept • Mar 2014) [35:15] "Adam Bruckner Was a Soccer Journeyman Searching For a Home. Along the Way, He Wound Up Solving a Murder" (ESPN Magazine • Jul 2012) [36:15] "Between Heaven and Hell" (ESPN Magazine • Jun 2006) [38:00] "Killing ourselves in Afghanistan" (Salon • Mar 2008) [39:45] "The Spy Who Said Too Much" (Steve Coll • New Yorker • Apr 2013) [45:30] "Report: Two CIA Black Site Prisons in Lithuania" (ABC News • Dec 2009) [47:45] "US Diplomat SMeared by ‘Sex Tape’" (ABC News • Sep 2009) [53:00] "Who Shot Bin Laden? A Tale of Two SEALs" (With Anna R. Schecter • NBC News • Nov 2014) [57:30] "‘American Sniper’ Chris Kyle Distorted His Military Record, Documents Show" (Intercept • May 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Alexis C. Madrigal is an editor-at-large for Fusion, where he’s producing the upcoming podcast, Containers. “Sometimes you think like, 'Man the media business is the worst. This is so hard.' When you spend time with all these other business people, you probably are going to say, ‘Capitalism is the worst. This is hard.’ Competition that’s linked to global things is so hard because global companies are locked in this incredible efficiency battle that just drives all of the slack out of the system. Like media, there’s no slack left, and I don’t know where things go after that.” Thanks to MailChimp, Stamps.com, and Casper for sponsoring this week's episode. @alexismadrigal alexismadrigal.com Madrigal on Longform [00:00] Longform Podcast Survey [03:00] Madrigal’s Archive at The Atlantic [03:45] Consumer Conspicuous [05:00] Ross Andersen on the Longform Podcast [05:30] "First-Gen T. Rex Was No Bigger Than You" (Wired • Sep 2009) [06:45] Powering the Dream: The History and Promise of Green Technology (Da Capo Press • 2011) [12:45] Nuzzel [15:30] "BuzzFeed editor-in-chief in year-end memo: ‘Fake news will become more sophisticated’ than ever in 2017" (Oliver Darcy • Business Insider • Dec 2016) [19:00] "The alpha dog that wouldn’t hunt: How Trump’s ludicrous ‘alpha male’ act is destroying him" (Matthew Rozsa • Salon • Oct 2016) [24:00] "How Google Builds Its Maps—and What It Means for the Future of Everything" (Atlantic • Sep 2012) [27:45] "A Fleet of One" (John McPhee • New Yorker • Feb 2003) [28:15] Uncommon Carriers (John McPhee • Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2006) [29:15] Madrigal’s Archive at Fusion [29:15] Real Future [37:45] Slacker [46:00] "American Aqueduct: The Great California Water Saga" (Atlantic • Feb 2014) [48:45] Madrigal’s Archive at NPR Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ana Marie Cox is the senior political correspondent for MTV News, conducts the “Talk” interviews in The New York Times Magazine, and founded Wonkette. “When people are sending me hate mail or threats, one defense I have against that is ‘you don’t know me.’ You know? That wasn’t something I always was able to say. As I’ve become a stronger person, it’s been easier for me to be like, ‘The person they’re attacking, it’s not me.’” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, and Blue Apron for sponsoring this week's episode. @anamariecox anamariecox.com [00:30] Missing Richard Simmons [04:15] Cox’s Archive at Suck.com [10:00] "The Uses of Enchantment" (Suck • Jul 1997) [11:00] Cox’s Archive at Mother Jones [12:15] The Chicago Maroon [12:45] "Waterworld" (Suck • Sep 1996) [21:45] "Joe Buck Knows Why You Hate Him" (New York Times Magazine • Feb 2017) [25:30] Cox’s Archive at New York Times Magazine [25:30] Cox’s Archive at GQ [29:15] "What Bush Wants You to Do" (Wonkette • Apr 2004) [30:45] "The Lost Washingtonienne" (Wonkette • May 2004) [31:30] "Washingtonienne Speaks!! Wonkette Exclusive!! Must Credit Wonkette!! The Washingtonienne Interview!!" (Wonkette • May 2004) [33:00] "Face Value" (The Baffler • 2012) [36:15] "Wonkette Founder Cox: ‘If Hillary Wins, It’ll Be Because Black and Brown People Saved Us’" (YouTube • Sep 2016) [36:30] "Watch MTV News’ Ana Marie Cox’s Emotional Reaction to Latest Trump Sexual Assault Allegations" (Media Matters • Oct 2016) [39:45] "Fans Tweet About Mental Illness to Honor Carrie Fisher" (Ryan Burleson & Tara Parker-Pope • New York Times • Dec 2016) [42:15] "Exclusive: Ana Marie Cox Tells Breitbart News Sunday About Her Coming to Christ" (Robert Wilde • Breitbart • Mar 2015) [42:30] "Why I’m Coming Out as a Christian" (Ana Marie Cox • Daily Beast • Feb 2015) [48:00] Cox’s Archive at The Guardian [50:45] Roads & Kingdoms Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brooke Gladstone is the host of On the Media. “I’ve learned so much about how easy it is to redefine reality in this era of billions of filter bubbles. How easy it is to cast doubt on what is undeniably true. And I think that that’s what frightens me the most. I actually think that’s what frightens most people the most. How do we make sure that we all live in the same world? Or do we?” Thanks to MailChimp, Texture, and School of the Art Institute of Chicago for sponsoring this week's episode. @OTMBrooke On the Media [01:00] Love and Ruin (W.W. Norton & Company • 2016) [01:15] Gladstone on the Longform Podcast [05:15] Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History [07:45] "Will the Supreme Court Stand Up to Trump?" (Linda Greenhouse • New York Times • Feb 2017) [13:00] "January Surprise" (On the Media • Jan 2017) [20:00] "Objectivity: What Is It Good For?" (On the Media • Feb 2017) [29:00] "How Trump Might Save the Media He So Despises" (On the Media • Jan 2017) [29:15] "Winter Is Coming: Prospects for the American Press Under Trump" (Jay Rosen • PressThink • Dec 2016) [40:00] "Busted: America’s Poverty Myths" (On the Media • 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ezra Edelman is the director of O.J.: Made in America. “When I say what I learned is that America is even more fucked up than I had previously thought, it’s that—the superficiality of it. How we are willingly seduced by these shiny people and these shiny things. And, again, when I looked at O.J.’s trajectory, that was an operating principle.” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, Casper, and Secrets, Crimes, & Audiotape for sponsoring this week's episode. @ezraedelman [00:45] "Vanish" (Evan Ratliff • Wired • Nov 2009) [00:45] O.J.: Made in America [02:30] Magic & Bird: A Courtship of Rivals [10:30] The Straight Story [20:30] Tamara Rosenburg on IMDB [38:15] Caroline Waterlow on IMDB [39:15] Nina Krstic on IMDB [46:30] "What Football Does to the Brain" (Mike Orcutt • MIT Technology Review • Jan 2016) [52:15] "Most Black People Now Think O.J. Was Guilty" (Carl Bialik • FiveThirtyEight • Jun 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Alexey Kovalev is a Moscow-based journalist and the author of the recent article, “A Message to My Doomed Colleagues in the American Media." “It’s really disheartening to see how little it takes for people to start believing in something that directly contradicts the empirical facts that they are directly confronting. The Russian TV channel tells you that the pill is red, but the pill in front of you is blue. It completely alters the perception of reality. You don’t know what’s real anymore.” Thanks to MailChimp and Penn State World Campus. @Alexey_Kovalev noodleremover.news [00:15] "A message to my doomed colleagues in the American media" (Medium • Jan 2017) [02:45] RIA Novosti [06:00] RT [07:30] Kovalev’s Archive at The Guardian [11:45] "RT, Information War, and Billions of Views: Where do the numbers come from?" (Translated by Aric Toler • Stop Fake • Jan 2017) [12:00] Adrian Chen on the Longform Podcast [12:00] "The Troll Hunters" (Adrian Chen • MIT Technology Review • Dec 2014) [16:30] The Intelligence Report Assessing Russian Activities in the US Election [17:00] The Onion [21:15] "From Headline to Photograph, a Fake News Masterpiece" (Scott Shane • New York Times • Jan 2017) [28:30] Kovalev’s Archive at The Moscow Times [29:00] Kovalev’s Archive at Open Democracy [29:00] "How Fake Stories Reported in Russia’s News Media Regularly Fool Everyone" (Translated by Kevin Rothrock • Global Voices • Sep 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jeff Sharlet writes about politics and religion for Esquire, GQ, New York Times Magazine, and more. “I like the stories with difficult people. I like the stories about people who are dismissed as monsters. I hate the term ‘monster.’ ‘Monster’ is a safe term for us, right? Trump’s a monster. Great, we don’t need to wrestle with, ‘Uh oh, he’s not a monster. He’s in this human family with us.’ I’m not normalizing him. I’m acknowledging the fact. Now, what’s wrong with us? If Trump is human, what’s wrong with you?” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, and Blue Apron for sponsoring this week's episode. @JeffSharlet jeffsharlet.blogspot.com Sharlet on Longform [00:15] "David Fahrenthold: Investigating Trump" (Katie Couric • Katie Couric Show • Dec 2016) [00:30] "Edward Snowden: The Whistleblower" (Katie Couric • Katie Couric Show • Dec 2016) [07:00] Decât o Revistă [08:00] "Bullies in the Schoolyard" (Tablet • Dec 2016) [08:30] Killing the Buddha [08:45] Go Tell It on the Mountain (James Baldwin • Vintage • 2013) [09:00] The Apostle [10:30] Wisconsin Death Trip (Michael Lesy • University of New Mexico Press • 2000) [11:15] Pakn Treger [12:30] The Chronicle of Higher Education [13:30] Killing the Buddha: A Heretic’s Bible (with Peter Manseau • Free Press • 2004) [18:45] "Jesus plus nothing" (Harper’s • Mar 2003) [sub req’d] [18:45] The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power (Harper Perennial • 2009) [22:45] "Straight Man’s Burden" (Harper’s • Sep 2010) [27:30] "Ashcroft’s Ascent" (Jeffrey Toobin • New Yorker • Apr 2002) [28:00] John Ashcroft Sings “Let the Eagle Soar” (YouTube) [30:00] "The Runaway General" (Michael Hastings • Rolling Stone • Jun 2010) [30:45] "James Webb’s Never-Ending War" (Rolling Stone • Jun 2007) [31:45] "The Ministry of Fun" (Esquire • Aug 2016) [37:00] "Are You Man Enough for the Men’s Rights Movement?" (GQ • Feb 2014) [42:30] "Dubliners" (Virginia Quarterly Review • 2016) [45:30] C Street: The Fundamentalist Threat to American Democracy (Little, Brown and Company • 2010) [46:30] "Donald Trump, American Preacher" (New York Times Magazine • Apr 2016) [51:45] "A&E Shelves a K.K.K. Documentary Series Over Cash Payments" (New York Times • Dec 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jace Clayton is a music writer and musician who records as DJ /rupture. His book is Uproot: Travels in 21st-Century Music and Digital Culture. “What does it mean to be young and have some sound inside your head? Or to be in a scene that you want to broadcast to the world? That notion of the world is changing, who you’re broadcasting to is changing, all these different things—the tool sets. But there’s this very fundamental joy of music making. I was like, ‘Ok. Let’s find flashpoints where interesting things are happening and can be unpacked that shed different little spotlights on it, but do fall into this wider view of how we articulate what’s thrilling to be alive right now.’” Thanks to MailChimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @djrupture jaceclayton.com [04:15] Uproot: Travels in 21st-Century Music and Digital Culture (Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2016) [05:00] Wax Poetic [05:30] "Slow Burn" (The Fader • Jul 2008) [06:00] "Past Masters" (The National • Mar 2009) [15:30] "Pitch Perfect" (Frieze • May 2009) [23:30] Mudd Up! [29:15] "Julius Eastman Memorial Dinner" (The Music Gallery • Oct 2014) [29:30] Julius Eastman’s Femenine [35:00] The Mudd Up! Radio Archive [37:45] Caroline Shaw [40:00] "Cairo: Something New" (The Fader • Oct 2012) [41:15] "Tribal Guarachero: Mexican Teens & Aztec History" (The Fader • Oct 2010) [42:15] Moneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game (Michael Lewis • W.W. Norton & Company • 2004) [44:45] Tigerbeat6 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Terry Gross is the host and co-executive producer of Fresh Air. “Part of my philosophy of life is that you have to live with a certain amount of delusion. And part of the delusion I live with is that maybe, from experience, I’m getting a little bit better. But then the other part of me, the more overpowering part of me, is the pessimistic part that says, ‘It’s going to be downhill from here.’ I try not to judge myself too much because I’m so self-judgmental that I don’t want to over-judge and get into too much of ‘Am I better than I was yesterday, or not?’” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, and Blue Apron for sponsoring this week's episode. Gross on Longform Fresh Air [26:30] "Hillary Clinton: The Fresh Air Interview" (Fresh Air • Jun 2014) [29:30] "Among the Hillary Haters" (Hanna Rosin • The Atlantic • Mar 2015) [43:53] "Our Mission and Vision" (NPR • 1971) [52:45] "Fresh Air 2: 2 Fresh 2 Furious" (YouTube) [56:16] All I Did Was Ask: Conversations with Writers, Actors, Musicians, and Artists (Hachette Books • 2005) [58:30] "’Fresh Air’ Host Terry Gross: I Always Think Listeners Are Disappointed When They Meet Me" (Jim Romenesko • Jim Romenesko Blog • May 2015) [59:15] "Terry Gross and the Art of Opening Up" (Susan Burton • New York Times Magazine • Oct 2015) [1:03:45] Morning Edition [1:04:00] WTF with Marc Maron [1:04:00] The Longest Shortest Time [1:04:15] "Episode #1: Peter Sagal Opens Up" (The Hilarious World of Depression • Dec 2016) [1:04:45] The Pub [1:05:00] This American Life [1:05:00] On the Media [1:05:00] How to Be Amazing with Michael Ian Black [1:13:00] "Maurice Sendak: On Life, Death and Children’s Lit" (Fresh Air • Sep 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ta-Nehisi Coates is the author of Between the World and Me and a national correspondent for The Atlantic. His latest cover story is “My President Was Black." “[People] have come to see me as somebody with answers, but I don’t actually have answers. I’ve never had answers. The questions are the enthralling thing for me. Not necessarily at the end of the thing getting somewhere that’s complete—it’s the asking and repeated asking. I don’t know how that happened, but I felt like after a while it got to the point where I was seen as having unique answers, and I just didn’t. I really, really didn’t.” Thanks to MailChimp, Casper, and Audible for sponsoring this week's episode. @tanehisicoates Coates on Longform [00:15] The 100th Episode of the Longform Podcast [00:45] "My President Was Black" (Atlantic • Dec 2016) [01:15] Longform’s Best of 2016 List [01:45] Shane Bauer on the Longform Podcast [02:00] "Prince of the Forty Thieves" (David Gauvey Herbert • Atavist • Dec 2016) [03:15] Coates’s First Appearance on the Longform Podcast [03:15] Coates’s Second Appearance on the Longform Podcast [03:15] Coates’s Third Appearance on the Longform Podcast [04:30] Black Panther: A Nation Under Our Feet (Marvel • 2016) [09:30] Between the World and Me (Spiegel & Grau • 2015) [09:45] "The Case for Reparations" (Atlantic • Jun 2014) [13:45] Coates’s Archive at Washington City Paper [16:45] "On Homecomings" (Atlantic • May 2016) [18:45] "The Black Family in the Age of Mass Incarceration" (Atlantic • Oct 2015) [20:45] "Fear of a Black President" (Atlantic • Sep 2012) [21:15] Jonathan Chait’s Archive at New York [30:30] "The Cosby Show" (Atlantic • Nov 2014) [35:15] Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance (Barack Obama • Three Rivers Press • 2004) [35:30] "‘The Filter…Is Powerful’: Obama on Race, Media, and What It Took to Win" (Atlantic • Dec 2016) [43:45] "Obama’s Full Remarks at Howard University Commencement Ceremony" (Politico Staff • Politico • May 2016) [50:30] Nate Silver on the Longform Podcast [51:30] "Other People’s Pathologies" (Atlantic • Mar 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hua Hsu writes for The New Yorker and is the author of A Floating Chinaman: Fantasy and Failure Across the Pacific. “I remember, as a kid, my dad telling me that when he moved to the United States he subscribed to The New Yorker, and then he canceled it after a month because he had no idea what any of it was about. You know, at the time, it certainly wasn’t a magazine for a Chinese immigrant fresh off the boat—or off the plane, rather—in the early 70s. And I always think about that. I always think, ‘I want my dad to understand even though he’s not that interested in Dr.Dre.’ I still think, ‘I want him to be able to glean something from this.’” Thanks to MailChimp, Texture, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. @huahsu huascene.com Hsu on Longform [03:45] A Floating Chinaman: Fantasy and Failure Across the Pacific (Harvard University Press • 2016) [04:00] The Good Earth (Pearl S. Buck • Washington Square Press • 1931) [06:00] "Where’s the Beef?" (Slate • Jul 2007) [07:15] And China Has Hands (H.T. Tsiang • Ironweed Press • 2003) [09:00] "On the Road with Hannibal Buress, Comedy’s Most Respected Slacker" (The Fader • Apr 2015) [14:45] "The Remarkable Forgotten Life of H. T. Tsiang" (New Yorker • Jul 2016) [14:45] "Endless Endless: Kraftwek at MoMA" (Paris Review • May 2012) [26:15] "A God Dream" (New Yorker • Feb 2016) [26:45] Hsu’s Archive at Grantland [26:45] "All Hail the Chairmen: Jonathan Olivares’s ‘Taxonomy of Office Chairs’" (LA Review of Books • Apr 2012) [28:45] Pitchfork [28:45] Stereogum [29:45] "Reality Hunger" (New Yorker • Aug 2015)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Carl Zimmer, a columnist for the New York Times and a national correspondent at STAT, writes about science. “[Criticism] doesn’t change the truth. You know? Global warming is still happening. Vaccines still work. Evolution is still true. No matter what someone on Twitter or someone in an administration is going to say, it’s still true. So, we science writers have to still be letting people know about what science has discovered, what we with our minds have discovered about the world—to the best of our abilities. That’s our duty as science writers, and we can’t let these things scare us off.” Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. @carlzimmer carlzimmer.com Zimmer on Longform [01:00] Ross Andersen on the Longform Podcast [02:45] Zimmer’s column at the New York Times [02:45] Zimmer’s books [04:00] "The Rise of the Tick" (Outside • Apr 2013) [6:40] "Sleepless in South Sudan" (Radiolab • Oct 2011)   [08:15] Parasite Rex: Inside the Bizarre World of Nature’s Most Dangerous Creatures (Simon & Schuster • 2000) [08:30] "A Sleeping Storm" (Discover • Aug 1998) [25:00] "How Scientists Stalked a Lethal Superbug—With the Killer’s Own DNA" (Wired • Jan 2013) [25:30] "Game of Genomes Episode 1: Man Inside the Hard Drive" (STAT • Jul 2016) [30:00] "How Fighter Pilots Stay Sharp" (Evan Ratliff • Men’s Journal • Dec 2013) [31:15] Zimmer’s Mosaic Archive [33:00] "King of the Cosmos" (Playboy • Jan 2012) [35:00] Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey [36:15] Star Talk [38:30] "Global Warming Alters Arctic Food Chain, Scientists Say, With Unforeseeable Results" (New York Times • Nov 2016) [40:00] "Special Report: Endless Summer—Living With the Greenhouse Effect" (Andrew C. Revkin • Discover • Oct 1988) [46:45] At the Water’s Edge: Fish with Fingers, Whales with Legs, and How Life Came Ashore but Then Went Back to Sea (Touchstone • 1999) [52:30] "The Girl Who Turned to Bone" (Atlantic • Jun 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wesley Lowery is a national reporter at the Washington Post, where he worked on the Pulitzer-winning project, "Fatal Force." His new book is They Can’t Kill Us All: Ferguson, Baltimore, and a New Era in America’s Racial Justice Movement. “I think that we decided at some point that either you are a journalist or you are an activist. And I identify as a journalist, to be clear, but one of the reasons I often don’t engage in that conversation—when someone throws that back at me I kind of deflect a little bit—is that I think there’s some real fallacy in there. I think that every journalist should be an activist for transparency, for accountability—certainly amongst our government, for first amendment rights. There are things that by our nature of what we do we should be extremely activist.” Thanks to MailChimp, Harry’s, Casper, and School of the Arts Institute of Chicago for sponsoring this week's episode. @WesleyLowery [03:15] Detroit Free Press [03:15] The Plain Dealer [03:15] North Jersey [03:15] Diversity Inc. [03:15] Black Enterprise [05:00] They Can’t Kill Us All: Ferguson, Baltimore, and a New Era in America’s Racial Justice Movement (Little, Brown and Company • 2016) [05:45] "Same-sex marriage is gaining momentum, but some advocates don’t want it on the ballot in Ohio" (Washington Post • Jun 2014) [06:00] "Senate votes to restore federal funding for extended unemployment benefits" (Washington Post • Apr 2014) [06:15] "Congressional Democrats to introduce new Voting Rights Act fix" (Washington Post • Jun 2015) [07:30] "Police use tear gas on crowd in Ferguson, Mo., protesting teen’s death" (Washington Post • Aug 2014) [10:45] "The story behind that Boston Marathon photo of runners carrying a competitor toward the finish" (Washington Post • Apr 2014) [10:45] "Aaron Hernandez indicted, accused of killing two men in 2012" (Washington Post • May 2014) [13:15] O.J.: Made in America [30:00] "Fatal Force" (Washington Post • 2015) [31:30] "The DC Investigates: Is WaPo’s Wesley Lowery Black?" (Betsy Rothstein • Daily Caller • Dec 2014) [40:15] "Police: Multiple witnesses say Antonio Martin pulled gun on officer" (Washington Post • Dec 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Adam Moss is the editor of New York Magazine. “I think [change] is good for journalism—it’s what journalism is about. You can’t write about something static. News is about what is new. So there’s plenty of new right now. I’m not saying it’s good for the citizenry or anything like that, but, yeah, for journalists it’s an extremely interesting time. There’s no denying that.” Thanks to MailChimp, BarkBox, Squarespace, and Sock Fancy for sponsoring this week's episode. [03:15] "Meet the Editor: Adam Moss" (Brian Lehrer Show • Dec 2013) [07:00] "America Has Never Been So Ripe for Tyranny" (Andrew Sullivan • New York • May 2016) [20:45] Rolling Stone College Papers [32:15] "The Media Business; Lack of Ads Kills 7 Days Magazine" (Kim Foltz • New York Times • Apr 1990) [36:30] "Why isn’t this man famous?" (Simon Houpt • Globe and Mail • Jun 2001) [38:15] "The Best of Michael Pollan for The New York Times" (New York Times Magazine • Oct 2016) [38:15] Michael Lewis’s New York Times archive [38:15] Lynn Hirschberg’s New York Times archive [40:15] "Saint Hillary" (Michael Kelly • New York Times Magazine • May 1993) [45:15] "A City Built of Clay" (Tom Wolfe • New York • Jul 2008) [48:30] Vulture [48:45] The Cut [52:15] Frank Rich’s New York archive [52:15] Andrew Sullivan’s New York archive [57:45] The Strategist   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kyle Chayka is a freelance writer who writes for Businessweek, The Verge, Racked, The New Yorker, and more. “I love that idea of form and content being the same. I want to write about lifestyle in a lifestyle magazine. I want to critique technology in the form of technology, and kind of have the piece be this infiltrating force that explodes from within or whatever. You want something that gets into the space, and sneaks in, and then blows up.” Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, and Texture for sponsoring this week's episode. @chaykak kchayka.tumblr.com Chayka on Longform [02:00] Study Hall [04:30] Chayka’s Tufts Daily Archive [06:00] "Welcome to Airspace" (The Verge • Aug 2016) [06:45] "The Last Lifestyle Magazine" (Racked • Mar 2016) [17:15] "Reign, Supreme" (Racked • Jul 2016) [19:00] David Grann on the Longform Podcast [20:00] Peter Schjeldahl’s New Yorker Archive [20:15] Jerry Saltz’s New York Archive [20:15] Roberta Smith’s New York Times Archive [20:45] "Living on a Prayer" (Curbed • Apr 2016) [24:15] "Facebook’s Zuckerberg Says Fake News and Echo Chambers Didn’t Drive Election" (Sarah Frier • Bloomberg • Nov 2016) [30:45] "The Library of Last Resort" (n+1 • Jul 2016) [36:30] "Unfollow" (Adrian Chen • New Yorker • Nov 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Susan Casey is the former editor of O and the author of three New York Times bestselling books. Her latest is Voices in the Ocean: A Journey into the Wild and Haunting World of Dolphins. “The funny thing is people often say, ‘You must be fearless.’ I’m always afraid of whatever it is. But for whatever reason—I think it’s partly naïvety, partly just overwhelming curiosity—I am also not going to let fear stop me from doing things even if I feel it. Unless it’s that pure …you do have to listen to your body sometimes if it tells you not to do something that could result in you really never coming up from falling on that 70-foot wave.” Thanks to MailChimp, HelloFresh, and Squarespace, and for sponsoring this week's episode. susancasey.com [01:00] The Devil’s Teeth: A True Story of Obsession and Survival Among America’s Great White Sharks (Henry Holt & Company • 2006) [01:00] The Wave: In Pursuit of the Rogues, Freaks, and Giants of the Ocean (First Anchor Books • 2011) [01:00] Voices in the Ocean: A Journey into the Wild and Haunting World of Dolphins (First Anchor Books • 2016) [01:15] O Magazine [01:15] Time Inc. [07:15] "Into Thin Air" (Jon Krakauer • Outside • Sep 1996) [sub req'd] [07:30] "The Post-Communist Wolf" (David Quammen • Outside • Dec 2000) [07:30] Hampton Sides’s Archive at Outside [08:15] "Life’s Swell" (Susan Orlean • Outside • Aug 2002) [11:30] "Vanish" (Evan Ratliff • Wired • Dec 2009) [20:30] BBC Wildlife Special—Great White Shark: The Silent Stalker [26:00] "The Jaws Paradigm" (Sports Illustrated • Aug 2006) [26:00] Casey’s Archive at Fortune [26:30] Force of Nature: Mind, Body, Soul, and, of course, Surfing (Laird Hamilton • Rodale Books • 2008) [27:15] "The World’s Healthiest 75-Year-Old Man" (Esquire • May 2008) [28:00] "The Overstimulated Girl: A Better Head of Hair" (Esquire • Oct 2007) [42:30] Erik Larson on the Longform Podcast   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wesley Morris is a critic at large for The New York Times, a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine, and the co-host of Still Processing. His latest article is "Last Taboo: Why Pop Culture Just Can’t Deal With Black Male Sexuality." “You learn a lot of things about your sexuality at an early age. You know, I learned that your penis is a problem for white people, that you can’t be too openly sexual in general because that could get you in trouble because someone could misconstrue what you’re doing, and, in my case, I also knew I was gay. So I had to deal with, ‘Ok so my dick is a problem in general, and I’m not even interested in putting my penis where it’s supposed to go. This is going to be bad.’” Thanks to Audible, Casper, Squarespace, and MailChimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @Wesley_Morris Morris on Longform [00:45] Wesley Morris on the Longform Podcast [01:15] Still Processing [01:45] "Last Taboo" (New York Times Magazine • Oct 2016) [03:15] Playing Dead: A Journey Through the World of Death Fraud (Elizabeth Greenwood • Simon & Schuster • 2016) [08:45] "Dumber Than Your Average Bear" (Grantland • Jun 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Doreen St. Félix is a writer at MTV News. “It feels like there are images of black utopias that are arising. And you can’t—even if you’re not as superstitious as me—you can’t possibly think that that doesn’t have to do with the decline, the final, to me, last gasp of white supremacy. It really does feel like we’re approaching that, [but] that approach might be a thousand years.” Thanks to MailChimp, Texture, Harry’s, and HelloFresh, for sponsoring this week's episode. @dstfelix [7:45] "'Empire’ Season 2, Episode 8: Hakeem, No Lyon" (New York Times • Nov 2015) [10:30] "Jennifer Lawrence: 'Why Do I Make Less Than My Male Co-Stars?'" (Jennifer Lawrence • Lenny • Oct 2015) [11:30] "Out of Print: The Fultz Quadruplets" (Lenny • Feb 2016) [16:15] "The Prosperity Gospel of Rihanna" (Pitchfork • Apr 2015) [18:30] "On Carefree Black Boys" (MTV News • Sep 2016) [22:00] "In Solange’s Room" (MTV News • Oct 2016) [23:30] "The Ecstasy of Frank Ocean" (MTV News • Aug 2016) [24:30] "A Love Profane" (MTV News • Apr 2016) [26:00] The Birth of a Nation [30:00] Atlanta [30:00] Moonlight [31:00] Queen Sugar [35:30] "An Honest Conversation with Solange Knowles" (Anupa Mistry • Fader • Sep 2016) [36:00] "Filmmaker Letter: Moonlight" (Barry Jenkins • Landmark Theatres • Oct 2016) [40:30] "The Gospel According to Kirk Franklin" (MTV News • Oct 2016) [40:45] "Ratology" (New Yorker • Nov 2015) [48:00] "The only thing ‘uncivilised’ about Ray Kelly’s talk at Brown was inviting him" (Guardian • Oct 2013) [54:00] "North West and Blue Ivy Carter Have Never ‘Played Together,’ Says Kanye West" (Josh Duboff • Vanity Fair • Oct 2016) [1:00:00] Speed Dial Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Emily Witt is a freelance writer and the author of Future Sex. “I think I had always thought that—maybe this is coming from a WASPy, protestant background—if I presented myself as overtly sexual in any way, it would be a huge turnoff. That they would see me as a certain type of person. They wouldn’t have respect for me. And I thought this both professionally—I thought maybe writing this book was going to be really bad for my career, that nobody would take me seriously anymore—and also that nobody would want to date me if I was too honest. In both counts the opposite happened.” Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, and Wunder Capital for sponsoring this week's episode. @embot emilywitt.net Witt on Longform [02:45] Future Sex (Farrar, Straus & Giroux • 2016) [03:00] "Online Dating Diary" (London Review of Books • Oct 2012) [03:15] Witt’s Archive at The Observer [05:30] Witt’s Archive at Miami New Times [05:45] "Cinema é Luxo" (n+1 • Oct 2009) [sub req’d] [06:15] "Miami Party Boom" (n+1 • Mar 2010) [sub req’d] [06:30] Gus Garcia-Roberts on Longform [09:30] Thy Neighbor’s Wife (Gay Talese • Harper Perennial • 2009) [10:00] "An Evening in the Nude with Gay Talese" (Aaron Latham • New York • Jul 1973) [11:15] "That Room in Cambridge" (n+1 • Mar 2011) [sub req’d] [19:15] "What Do You Desire?" (n+1 • Mar 2013) [38:45] "The Trip Planners" (New Yorker • Nov 2015) [48:00] How Music Got Free: A Story of Obsession and Invention (Stephen Witt • Penguin Books • 2015) [48:15] Minnesota Monthly [50:45] "Burning Man Diary" (London Review of Books • Jul 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Krista Tippett is the host of On Being and the author of Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living. “Good journalists in newsrooms hold themselves to primitive standards when they’re covering religious ideas and people. They’re sloppy and simplistic in a way that they would never be with a political or economic person or idea. I mean they get facts wrong. They generalize. Because they don’t take it seriously, and they don’t know how to take it seriously.” Thanks to MailChimp, Winc, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. @kristatippett [00:30] On Being [01:15] Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living (Penguin Press • 2016) [01:45] "MailChimp and the Un-Silicon Valley Way to Make It as a Start-Up" (Farhad Manjoo • New York Times • Oct 2016) [05:15] The Brown Daily Herald [11:30] "Mengele Casts Shadow on a Bavarian Town" (New York Times • Jun 1985) [20:00] "West Germans Protest Nuclear Missiles For 4th Day" (John Tagliabue • New York Times • Apr 1983) [38:15] The Nantucket Project [46:15] "The Poetry of Ordinary Time" (On Being • Aug 2014) [54:00] The Unedited Episode of “Randomness and Choice" (On Being • Oct 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Luke Dittrich is a contributing editor at Esquire. His new book is Patient H.M.: A Story of Memory, Madness, and Family Secrets. “As soon as I told [my mom] that I got my first book deal for this story about Patient H.M., her first words were, ‘Oh no.’ That was sort of her gut reaction to it because, I think, she knew at a certain level that I was going to be dredging up very painful stories. And I think at that point even she didn’t know the depth of the pain that some of the stories that I was going to find were going to lay out there.” Thanks to MailChimp, EA SPORTS FIFA 17, Squarespace, Wunder, and Audible for sponsoring this week's episode. Dittrich on Longform [2:15] Longform Podcast #66: Andy Ward [2:45] "The Brain That Couldn’t Remember" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2016) [4:15] "Possessed" (Atlanta Magazine • Nov 2003) [Google Books] [4:15] "The Red Zone" (Atlanta Magazine • Jul 2004) [Google Books] [4:30] Patient H.M.: A Story of Memory, Madness, and Family Secrets (Random House • 2016) [12:00] "The Brain That Changed Everything" (Esquire • Oct 2010) [13:30] The Alexandria Quartet (Lawrence Durrell • Pocket Books • 1977) [16:00] Egypt Today [20:15] journalismjobs.com [18:15] Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil: A Savannah Story (John Berendt • Vintage Books • 1999) [19:15] "Pageants Are My Life" (Oxford American • May 2001) [sub req’d] [24:00] "H.M., an Unforgettable Amnesiac, Dies at 82" (Benedict Carey • New York Times • Dec 2008) [32:30] "A Book Examines the Curious Case of a Man Whose Memory Was Removed" (Seth Mnookin • New York Times • Aug 2016) [37:15] "Faculty at MIT and beyond respond forcefully to an article critical of Suzanne Corkin" (MIT News Office • MIT News • Aug 2016) [37:45] "Questions & Answers about ‘Patient H.M.’" (Medium • Aug 2016) [43:00] "Tonight on Dateline This Man Will Die" (Esquire • Sep 2007) [43:00] "The Prophet" (Esquire • Jul 2013) [46:30] Chris Hansen’s new “predator” project [47:00] "Esquire Article on Eben Alexander Distorts the Facts" (Robert Mays • International Association For Near Death Studies • Aug 2013) [48:45] Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon’s Journey into the Afterlife (Eben Alexander • Simon & Schuster • 2012) [50:45] "'Heavenly Father!' 'I love you all!' 'I love everyone!' 'Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus!' 'I love all of you!'" (Esquire • Sep 2011) [51:30] "Chuck Berry Goddamn!" (Esquire • Dec 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A.J. Daulerio is the former editor-in-chief of Gawker. “The choices they’ve given me are take back everything that you loved about Nick [Denton], Gawker, and your job, and we’ll give you your $1,000 back or your ability to make money. You can walk away from this, but you just can’t talk about it ever again. I don’t see there’s any question for me. I definitely thought long and hard about it, and I’ve talked to a lot of people about it. It’s just not in me. Some days I absolutely wish I could say, ‘Is there a phone call I could make to make this all go away?’ Because I want my life back. That’s happened. But for the most part I just think I would regret doing that.” Thanks to MailChimp, EA SPORTS FIFA 17, School of the Arts Institute of Chicago, Casper, and Texture for sponsoring this week's episode. Daulerio on Longform [18:00] Gabriel Sherman on the Longform Podcast [24:30] "This Is Apple’s Next iPhone" (Jason Chen • Gizmodo • Apr 2010) [28:15] Leah Finnegan on the Longform Podcast [29:15] "’Brett Favre Once Sent Me Cock Shots’: Not a Love Story" (Deadspin • Aug 2010) [35:30] "Even for a Minute, Watching Hulk Hogan Have Sex in a Canopy Bed is Not Safe For Work but Watch it Anyway" (Gawker • Oct 2012) [39:30] "Did I Kill Gawker?" (Max Read • Select All • Aug 2016) [40:00] Ratter [44:00] "Gawker Editor’s Testimony Stuns Courtroom in Hulk Hogan Trial" (Nick Madigan • New York Times • Mar 2016) [49:30] Nick Denton’s statement about the Geithner story [49:30] "New Gawker will be ’20 percent nicer,’ Denton tells staff" (Peter Sterne • Politico • Jul 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Julia Turner is editor-in-chief of Slate. “That’s what we’ve been focused on: trying to double down on the stuff that feels distinctive and original. Because if you spend all your time on a social platform, and a bunch of media brands are optimizing all their content for that social platform, all those media brands’ headlines say the same, all the content is pretty interchangeable. It turns media into this commodity where then what is the point of developing a media company for 20 years? You might as well take the Silicon Valley approach and just make a new one every three years for whatever that moment is.” Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, and Igloo for sponsoring this week's episode. @juliaturner [03:15] Michael Kinsley on the cover of Newsweek [06:15] Slate Plus [07:45] Turner’s Slate Archive [08:00] Other Magazines on Slate [24:00] "The Secret Language of Signs" (Slate • Mar 2010) [33:30] "In Defense of the Take" (Slate • Apr 2015) [35:30] John Herrman's "Content Wars" Series [37:00] "BuzzFeed v CNN: How One Snarky Comment Ignited a Fight for the Future of News" (Itay Hod • The Wrap • Aug 2016) [43:45] Political Gabfest [43:45] Culture Gabfest [46:30] DoubleX Gabfest [48:00] Panoply [51:00] "The State of Slate" (Slate • Jul 2014) [sub req’d] [53:00] "A Death in Yellowstone" (Jessica Grose • Slate • Apr 2012) [53:00] "What Really Happened to Phoebe Prince?" (Emily Bazelon • Slate • Jul 2010) [53:00] "The United States of Inequality" (Timothy Noah • Slate • Sep 2010) [53:00] "The Welfare Queen" (Josh Levin • Slate • Dec 2013) [53:30] "Prog Spring" (David Weigel • Slate • Aug 2012) [55:15] "Bartleby, the Scrivener" (Herman Melville, Andrew Kahn • Slate • Oct 2015) [56:15] Cover Stories on Slate [57:30] "191 Things Donald Trump Has Said and Done That Make Him Unfit to Be President" (Chris Kirk, Ian Prasad Philbrick, Gabriel Roth • Slate • Sep 2016) [58:00] "Why Slate Will Break the Traditional Information Embargo on Nov. 8." (Slate • Sep 2016) [1:00:30] Sasha Issenberg’s Slate Archive Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Naomi Zeichner is editor-in-chief of The Fader. “Right now in rap there’s kind of a huge tired idea that kids are trying to kill their idols, and kids have no respect for history, and kids are making bastardized crazy music, and how dare they? I just don’t even know why we still care about this false dichotomy. Kids are coming from where they come from, they’re going where they’re going. And it’s like, do you want to try to learn about where they’re coming from and where they’re going, or do you not?” Thanks to MailChimp, Club W, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. @nomizeichner Zeichner on Longform [05:00] "Zayn Malik’s Next Direction" (Duncan Cooper • The Fader • Nov 2015) [10:30] "Gucci Free" (Andrew Nosnitsky • The Fader • Jul 2016) [17:00] "America Is Brutal and Meek Mill Is a Hero" (Will Stephenson • The Fader • May 2015) [17:30] "Rae Sremmurd’s Best Life" (The Fader • Jun 2016) [25:00] Young Thug on YouTube [30:00] Flagpole [32:45] "Yo-Yo Ma, The Silk Road Ensemble—Empire State of Mind" (YouTube) [43:30] David Remnick on the Longform Podcast   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ben Taub is a contributing writer at The New Yorker. “I don’t think it’s my place to be cynical because I’ve observed some of the horrors of the Syrian War through these various materials, but it’s Syrians that are living them. It’s Syrians that are being largely ignored by the international community and by a lot of political attention on ISIS. And I think that it wouldn’t be my place to be cynical when some of them still aren’t.” Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. @bentaub91 Taub on Longform [02:45] David Remnick on the Longform Podcast [08:45] "Was U.S. Journalist Steven Sotloff a Marked Man?" (Daily Beast • Sep 2014) [28:00] Taub on The Voice (YouTube) [33:00] "Journey to Jihad" (New Yorker • Jun 2015) [49:00] Rukmini Callimachi on the Longform Podcast (Part 1) [49:00] Rukmini Callimachi on the Longform Podcast (Part 2) [50:30] "The Shadow Doctors" (New Yorker • Jun 2016) [50:30] "The Assad Files" (New Yorker • Apr 2016) [52:00] "’They were torturing to kill’: inside Syria’s death machine" (Guardian • Oct 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah Schweitzer is a former feature writer for the Boston Globe. “I just am drawn, I think, to the notion that we start out as these creatures that just want love and were programmed that way—to try to find it and to make our lives whole. We are, as humans, so strong in that way. We get knocked down, and adults do some horrible things to us because adults have had horrible things done to [them]. There are some terrible cycles in this world. But there’s always this opportunity to stop that cycle. And there are people who come along who do try that in their own flawed ways.” Thanks to MailChimp and AlarmGrid for sponsoring this week's episode. @SarahSchweitzer Schweitzer on Longform [2:45] With Her [3:15] Pineapple Street Media [4:45] "The life and times of Strider Wolf" (Boston Globe • Nov 2015) [16:45] Random Family: Love, Drugs, Trouble, and Coming of Age in the Bronx (Adrian Nicole LeBlanc • Scribner • 2004) [27:45] "Only a few tackle the trying times" (St. Petersburg Times • Oct 2000) [32:45] "Chasing Bayla" (Boston Globe • Oct 2014) [38:00] "Struggling town votes to end itself" (Boston Globe • Mar 2004) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rachel Monroe is a freelance writer based in Texas. “I will totally go emotionally deep with people. If I can find a subject who is into that then it will probably be a good story. Whether that person is a victim of a crime, or a committer of a crime, or a woman who spends a lot of time on the internet looking for hoaxes, or whatever it may be—I guess I just think people are interesting. Particularly when those people have gone through some sort of extreme situation.” Thanks to MailChimp, Club W, and Igloo for sponsoring this week's episode. @rachmonroe rachel-monroe.com Monroe on Longform [00:45] "Fire Behavior" (Oxford American • Apr 2014) [01:00] Love and Ruin: Tales of Obsession, Danger, and Heartbreak from the Atavist Magazine (W.W. Norton & Company • 2016) [04:45] "From Pickup Artist to Pariah" (New York • Jan 2016) [15:45] "Evil Genius" (Pacific Standard • Sep 2015) [18:15] "Have You Ever Thought About Killing Someone?" (Matter • Apr 2015) [42:00] "Cancer Cons, Phoney Accidents and Fake Deaths: Meet the Internet Hoax Buster" (The Guardian • Feb 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

McKay Coppins is a senior political writer for Buzzfeed News and the author of The Wilderness: Deep Inside the Republican Party's Combative, Contentious, Chaotic Quest to Take Back the White House. “I am part of the problem. Not in the sense that it’s my fault Trump ran, but in the sense that I’m one of many who for his entire life have mocked him and ridiculed him. He’s a billionaire—I don’t feel any moral guilt about it. But if being I’m honest with myself that same part of me can also, when not checked, be projected onto vast swathes of people. It’s easy to have a lazy classism about the type of people who would vote for Donald Trump.” Thanks to MailChimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @mckaycoppins McKay Coppins’ Buzzfeed Archive [2:28] "A Mormon Reporter On The Romney Bus" (Buzzfeed • Nov 2012 [10:56] No Man Knows My History (Fawn M Brodie • Vintage • 1995) [11:18] Rough Stone Rolling (Richard Lyman Bushman • Vintage • 2007) [14:20] 36 Hours On The Fake Campaign Trail With Donald Trump(Buzzfeed • Feb 2014) [25:40] The Wilderness: Deep Inside the Republican Party's Combative, Contentious, Chaotic Quest to Take Back the White House (Little, Brown • 2015) [30:05] Donald Trump’s Mormon Problem (New York Times • Jun 2016) [32:35] "Trump Campaign Rally Erupts In Chaos And Ugly Confrontation " (Buzzfeed • Dec 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Gabriel Sherman is the national affairs editor at New York and the author of the New York Times best-seller The Loudest Voice in the Room: How the Brilliant, Bombastic Roger Ailes Built Fox News—and Divided a Country. “There was a time when we got death threats at home. Some crank called and said, ‘We’re gonna come after you. You’re coming after the right, we’re gonna get you.’ That was scary because, again, you don’t know if it’s just a crank when you have right wing websites that are turning you into a target. You know, it’s one thing if they do it with a politician. They have security or handlers—I don’t have any of that.” Thanks to MailChimp and Audible for sponsoring this week's episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jon Mooallem is the author of "American Hippopotamus," a story included in Love and Ruin, the new Atavist Magazine collection. Buy your copy today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ezra Klein the editor-in-chief of Vox. “I think that if any of these big players collapse, when their obits are written, it’ll be because they did too much. I’m not saying I think any of them in particular are doing too much. But I do think, when I look around and I think, ‘What is the danger here? What is the danger for Vox?’ I think it is losing too much focus because you’re trying to do too many things.” Thanks to MailChimp, Casper, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. @ezraklein Klein on Longform Vox [01:00] The Ezra Klein Show [2:00] The Weeds [2:45] Ezra Klein’s Blog [5:00] "Jesse Eisenberg on Jewish humor, writing lessons, and interrogating strangers" (The Ezra Klein Show • Jun 2016) [8:45] Videos on Vox [11:15] Wonkblog [16:00] "If you are losing faith in human nature, go out and watch a marathon" (Washington Post • Apr 2013) [21:30] Matthew Yglesias’s Blog [23:45] What It Takes: The Way to the White House (Richard Ben Cramer • Vintage Books • 1993) [25:15] Ezra Klein’s Washington Monthly Archive [26:30] Ezra Klein’s American Prospect Archive [34:15] "Top Wonkblog Columnist to Leave Washington Post" (Ravi Somaiya • New York Times • Jan 2014) [49:15] The Verge [49:15] Eater [49:15] SB Nation [49:15] Polygon [49:15] Curbed [49:15] Recode [49:15] Racked [1:00:30] Card Stacks on Vox [1:03:00] Ezra Klein’s New Yorker Archive Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Malcolm Gladwell is a staff writer at The New Yorker. His new podcast is Revisionist History. “The amount of criticism you get is a constant function of the size of your audience. So if you think that, generously speaking, 80% of the people who read your work like it, that means if you sell ten books you have two enemies. And if you sell a million books you have 200,000 enemies. So be careful what you wish for. The volume of critics grows linearly with the size of your audience.” Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode.   @Gladwell Gladwell.com Gladwell on Longform [00:15] Malcolm Gladwell on the Longform Podcast [00:15] Revisionist History [08:30] "Episode 01: The Lady Vanishes" (Revisionist History • Jun 2016) [08:30] "Episode 03: The Big Man Can’t Shoot" (Revisionist History • Jun 2016) [08:30] "Episode 02: Saigon, 1965" (Revisionist History • Jun 2016) [10:30] "Hulk Hogan v. Gawker: A Guide to the Trial for the Perplexed" (The New York Times • Mar 2016) [19:30] "Episode 06: My Little Hundred Million" (Revisionist History • Jul 2016) [23:45] "Malcolm Gladwell just went nuts on a Wall Street billionaire’s $400 million donation to Harvard" (Business Insider • Jun 2015) [28:45] Gladwell on Audible [31:45] "Episode 05: Food Fight" (Revisionist History • Jul 2016) [32:30] "Episode 04: Carlos Doesn’t Remember" (Revisionist History • Jul 2016) [32:45] Nikole Hannah-Jones on the Longform Podcast [37:45] "Thresholds of Violence" (New Yorker • Oct 2015) [38:30] "Threshold Models of Collective Behavior" (American Journal of Sociology • May 1978) [43:30] The Weeds Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ellis Jones is the editor-in-chief of VICE Magazine. “I’m just not an edgy person. You know what I mean? I think I am a nice person. I think VICE Magazine reflects the qualities that I want to have or think that I have or that my team has. The magazine would be terrible if I tried to make edgy content ... people would just see right through it. It wouldn’t be good. Thanks to MailChimp and EveryLibrary for sponsoring this week's episode. @ellisjones [00:15] "RNC 2016" (Justin Peters • Atavist Magazine • Jul 2016) [6:45] Balls Deep (VICELAND • 2016) [15:15] Motherboard [17:45] "Inside the Unregulated Chinese Hospitals That Make Men Impotent" (R.W. McMorrow • VICE Magazine • May 2016) [21:00] VICE (HBO • 2016) [21:00] VICE News [21:15] Dos & Don’ts Archive at VICE [22:00] "Is Vice Getting Nice?" (Carrie Battan • New York • Apr 2015) [25:45] The Prison Issue (VICE Magazine • 2015) [26:15] "How the Killing of a Trans Filipina Woman Ignited an International Incident" (Meredith Talusan • VICE Magazine • Feb 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

David Remnick is the editor of The New Yorker. “I think it’s important — not just for me, but for the readers — that this thing exists at the highest possible level in 2016, in 2017, and on. That there’s a continuity to it. I know, because I’m not entirely stupid, that these institutions, no matter how good they are, all institutions are innately fragile. Innately fragile.” Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, EveryLibrary, and Igloo for sponsoring this week's episode. Remnick on Longform [2:00] This week's New Yorker cover [5:45] "Cover Story: Bert and Ernie’s ‘Moment of Joy’" (Françoise Mouly, Mina Kaneko • New Yorker • Jun 2013) [9:00] "David Remnick Looks Back on Tough Decisions as ‘The New Yorker’ Turns 90" (Fresh Air • Feb 2015) [11:15] "Going the Distance" (New Yorker • Jan 2014) [15:00] The Bridge: The Life and Rise of Barack Obama (Vintage Books • 2010) [15:15] "Soul Survivor" (New Yorker • Apr 2016) [17:15] The New Yorker Radio Hour [25:00] "Sending Smoke Signals to Our Former Editor in Chief" (Justin Cook • The Smoke Signal • Apr 2015) [27:45] I Married a Communist: American Trilogy (Philip Roth • Houghton Mifflin Company • 1994) [29:45] Lenin’s Tomb: The Last Days of the Soviet Empire (Vintage Books • 1994) [30:00] "The Struggle for Memory" (John Lloyd • The New York Times • May 1993) [43:15] "Beyond the Soviet Abyss" (Washington Post • Mar 1991) [48:30] "Journey to Jihad" (Ben Taub • New Yorker • Jun 2015) [50:00] Wesley Morris on the Longform Podcast [51:45] King of the World: Muhammad Ali and the Rise of an American Hero (Vintage Books • 1998) [53:15] The 40s: The Story of a Decade (New Yorker, Henry Finder • Random House • 2014) [53:15] The 50s: The Story of a Decade (New Yorker, Henry Finder • Random House • 2015) [53:15] The 60s: The Story of a Decade (New Yorker, Henry Finder • Random House • 2016) [55:00] "The Crackin’, Shakin’, Breakin’ Sounds" (Nat Hentoff • New Yorker • Oct 1964) [55:40] "Letter From a Region in My Mind" (James Baldwin • New Yorker • Nov 1962) [56:00] The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11 (Lawrence Wright • Vintage Books • 2007) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Christian Miller, senior investigative reporter at ProPublica, and Ken Armstrong, staff writer at The Marshall Project, co-wrote the Pulitzer-winning article, “An Unbelievable Story of Rape.” “I won’t forget this: when T. and I talked on the phone and agreed that we were going to work on [“An Unbelievable Story of Rape”] together, T. created a Google Drive site, and we decided we’d both dump all our documents in it. And I remember seeing all the records that T. had gathered in Colorado, and then I dumped all the records that I had gathered in Washington, and it was like each of us had half of a phenomenal story. And in one day, by dumping our notes into a common file, we suddenly had a whole story.” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, and Trunk Club for sponsoring this week's episode. @txtianmiller Miller on Longform @bykenarmstrong bykenarmstrong.com Armstrong on Longform ProPublica The Marshall Project [:30] "An Unbelievable Story of Rape" (ProPublica, The Marshall Project • Dec 2015) [05:30] Joe Sexton on the Longform Podcast [08:30] "Upon Further Review: Inside the Police Failure to Stop Darren Sharper’s Rape Spree" (T. Christian Miller, Ryan Gabrielson • ProPublica, New Orleans Advocate, Sports Illustrated • Apr 2015) [16:45] "581: Anatomy of Doubt" (This American Life • Feb 2016) [50:00] Firestone and the Warlord (Frontline, ProPublica • 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jack Hitt contributes to Harper’s, The New York Times Magazine, and This American Life. “I’ve always lived more or less unemployed in these markets, and happily so. I think being unemployed keeps you a little more sharp in terms of looking for stories. It never gets any easier. That motivation and that desperation, whatever you want to call that, is still very much behind many of the conversations I have all day long trying to find those threads, those strings, that are going to pull together and turn into something.” Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. @JackHitt Hitt on Longform [1:15] Episode #157: Margo Jefferson [1:30] Episode #129: Rukmini Callimachi [1:30] Episode #156: Renata Adler [3:15] "This Is Your Brain on God" (Wired • Nov 1999) [3:45] "61: Fiasco!" (This American Life • Apr 1997) [4:00] Hitt's This American Life Archive [4:30] "323: The Super" (This American Life • Jan 2007) [6:15] "The Billion-Dollar Shack" (New York Times Magazine • Dec 2000) [6:30] "Slumlord" (The Moth • Apr 2006) [25:30] "The $19,000 press pass: A former journalism school dean asks, is it work it?" (Carolyn Lewis • Washington Monthly • 1986) [32:00] The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence (Victor Marchetti & John D. Marks • Alfred A. Knopf • 1974) [37:00] "What Did Noah Do With the Manure?" (Washington Monthly • Feb 1987) [pdf] [38:00] "Terminal Delinquents" (with Paul Tough • Esquire • Dec 1990) [41:30] "Toxic Dreams" (Harper’s • Jul 1995) [sub req’d] [46:30] White Noise (Don DeLillo • Penguin Books • 1984) [55:30] "15: Dawn" (This American Life • Feb 1996)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kathryn Schulz is a staff writer for The New Yorker. "The Really Big One," her article about the rupturing of the Cascadia fault line, won the 2016 Pulitzer Prize. “I can tell you in absolute sincerity: I didn't realize I was writing a scary story. Obviously I know the earthquake is going to be terrifying, and that our lack of preparedness is genuinely really scary. But, as I think often happens as a reporter, you toggle between professional happiness, which is sometimes, frankly, even professional glee—you’re just so thrilled you’re getting what you’re getting—and then the sort of more human and humane response, which comes every time you really set down your pen and think about what it is you’re actually reporting about.” Thanks to MailChimp and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. @kathrynschulz Schulz on Longform [04:15] Schulz’s book criticism for New York [07:45] Grist [08:15] "The Really Big One" (New Yorker • Jul 2015) [29:15] "Citizen Khan" (New Yorker • Jun 2016) [33:15] Being Wrong: Adventures in the Margin of Error (Ecco • 2010) [35:30] "On being wrong" (TED • Mar 2011) [38:45] "Group Think" (New York • Mar 2011) [45:30] "How to Stay Safe When the Big One Comes" (New Yorker • Jul 2015) [55:45] Dwight Garner’s Archive at The New York Times Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Shane Bauer, a senior reporter for Mother Jones, spent four months working undercover as a guard in a private prison. “The thing that I grappled with the most afterward was a feeling of shame about who I was as a guard and some of the things that I had done. Sending people to solitary confinement is hard to come to terms with even though, in that situation, I don't know what else I could have done. ... I had to do what I could to keep myself safe.” Thanks to MailChimp for sponsoring this week's episode. @shane_bauer shanebauer.net Bauer on Longform [7:00] ABC News v. Food Lion [7:45] Newjack: Guarding Sing-Sing (Ted Conover • Vintage • 2000) [19:30] "Solitary in Iran Nearly Broke Me. Then I Went Inside America's Prisons." (Mother Jones • Oct 2012) [46:30] "The Man Inside" (Reveal • June 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Frank Rich, a former culture and political columnist for The New York Times, writes for New York and is the executive producer of Veep. “All audiences bite back. If you have an opinion—forget about whether it’s theater or politics. If it’s about sports, fashion, or food—it doesn’t really matter. Readers are gonna bite back. And they should, you know? Everyone’s entitled. Everyone’s a critic. Everyone should have an opinion. You’re not laying down the law, and people should debate it.” Thanks to MailChimp and Casper for sponsoring this week's episode. @frankrichny Rich on Longform [2:00] Hot Seat: Theater Criticism for The New York Times, 1980-1993 (Random House • 1998) [13:30] "The Gay Decades" (Esquire • Nov 1987) [sub req'd] [15:45] Rich’s Archive at The New York Times [17:30] Rich’s Archive at The Harvard Crimson [18:15] Beacon School Newspaper [21:45] "What the Donald Shares With the Ronald" (New York • Jun 2016) [21:30] "No Matter What Trump Says or Does the GOP Will Never Abandon Him" (New York • Jun 2016) [24:00] The Greatest Story Ever Sold: The Decline and Fall of Truth in Bush’s America (Penguin Press • 2006) [27:30] Barack Obama at the 2008 DNC (YouTube) [32:45] "Donald Trump Is Saving Our Democracy" (New York • Sep 2015) [34:15] "Dewey defeats Truman" (Tim Jones • Chicago Tribune • 2016) [37:00] Veep [42:00] Nathaniel Rich on the Longform Podcast [42:30] Spoiled Brats: Stories (Simon Rich • Little, Brown, and Company • 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Louisa Thomas, a former writer and editor at Grantland, is a New Yorker contributor and the author of Louisa. Her father Evan Thomas, a longtime writer for Newsweek and Time, is the author of several award-winning books, including last year's Being Nixon. “That's one thing I've learned from my dad: the capacity to be open to becoming more open.” Thanks to MailChimp's Freddie and Co. for sponsoring this bonus episode. Show Notes: @louisahthomas louisathomas.com Louisa Thomas on Longform [:30] Louisa: The Extraordinary Life of Mrs. Adams (Penguin • 2016) [8:30] "James Reston a Giant of Journalism, Dies at 86" (R.W. Apple • New York Times • Dec 1995) [10:00] Longform Podcast #168: Ta-Nehisi Coates [16:30] "Adventures in Wonderlawn: Living the Surreal Life at Wimbledon" (Louisa Thomas • Grantland • July 2015) [25:30] "Clinton and the Intern" (Evan Thomas and Michael Isikoff • Newsweek • Feb 1998) [30:30] "Newsweek Kills Story on White House Intern" (Drudge Report • Jan 1998) [40:30] Being Nixon: A Man Divided (Random House • 2015)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nikole Hannah-Jones covers civil rights for The New York Times Magazine. “I don’t think there’s any beat you can cover in America that race is not intertwined with—environment, politics, business, housing, you name it. So, whatever beat you put me on, this is what I was going to cover because I think it’s just intrinsic. If you’re not being blind to what’s on your beat, then it’s part of the beat.” Thanks to MailChimp's Freddie and Co., Audible, and Trunk Club for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @nhannahjones nikolehannahjones.com Hannah-Jones on Longform [3:00] "Choosing a School for My Daughter in a Segregated City" (New York Times Magazine • Jun 2016) [09:00] "562: The Problem We All Live With" (This American Life • Jul 2015) [09:00] "School Segregation, the Continuing Tragedy of Ferguson" (ProPublica • Dec 2014) [17:30] "Segregation Now" (ProPublica • Apr 2014) [18:15] Hannah-Jones's archive at The Oregonian [21:00] "512: House Rules" (This American Life • Nov 2013) [31:17] The Atlanta Journal-Constitution [38:35] "Why the Whiteness of the American Media Is Everyone’s Problem" (Howard French • The Guardian • Jun 2016) [39:05] "The Black Journalist and the Racial Mountain" (Ta-Nehisi Coates • The Atlantic • Jun 2016)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jon Favreau, former chief speechwriter for President Obama, is a columnist at The Ringer and co-host of Keepin’ It 1600. “And then Obama comes over to my desk with the speech, and he has a few edits. And he’s like, ‘I just want to go through some of these edits and make sure you’re ok with this. I did this for this reason. Are you ok with that?’ And I’m like, ‘Yeah, buddy. You’re Barack Obama.’” Thanks to MailChimp's Freddie and Co., Freshbooks, Audible, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @jonfavs [1:00] Keepin’ It 1600 [1:00] Favreau’s Ringer Archive [5:00] "Ep. 75: Jon Favreau and Dan Pfeiffer" (The Bill Simmons Podcast • Apr 2016) [6:00] Favreau's 2003 Holy Cross commencement speech (College of the Holy Cross • May 2003) [13:00] "John Kerry’s 2004 concession speech" (YouTube) [15:00] Obama's 2004 DNC Convention speech (YouTube) [17:00] Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance (Three Rivers Press • 1995) [22:00] Obama's 2005 commencement address at Knox College (YouTube) [32:00] "What Would Obama Say?" (Ashley Parker • New York Times • Jan 2008) [36:00] Obama's Iowa Caucus victory speech" (YouTube) [37:00] Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech (YouTube) [43:00] "The Aspiring Novelist Who Became Obama’s Foreign-Policy Guru" (David Samuels • New York Times Magazine • May 2016) [44:00] "Ep. 42: Ben Rhodes" (The Axe Files • Apr 2016) [45:00] "Some hard feelings in the White House press room over an official’s comments" (Paul Farhi • Washington Post • May 2016) [59:00] "Hey, Berniacs: I Learned to Love Hillary and So Can You" (The Daily Beast • Apr 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Leah Finnegan, a former New York Times and Gawker editor, is the managing news editor at Genius. “After the Condé Nast article, Nick Denton decided Gawker needed to be 20% nicer, and I took a buyout because I was not 20% nicer.” Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, Squarespace, and Trunk Club for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @leahfinnegan leahfinnegan.com genius.com/Leah [02:00] "Sunk" (Mitch Moxley • Atavist Magazine • May 2016) [05:00] Alec Baldwin’s Blog at The Huffington Post [05:00] The Daily Texan [07:00] "Top 10 Hipster Schools" (Huffington Post • Jun 2010) [13:00] News Genius [17:00] "The ‘Food Babe’ Blogger Is Full of Shit" (Yvette d’Entremont • Gawker • Apr 2015) [25:00] "This post has been removed." (Gawker • Jul 2015) [28:00] "Louis C.K. Will Call You Up to Talk About His Alleged Sexual Misconduct" (Jordan Sargent • Defamer • May 2015) [28:00] "Fred Armisen Has a Reputation" (Jordan Sargent • Gawker • Jan 2015) [29:00] "An Open Letter From Dylan Farrow" (Dylan Farrow •New York Times • Feb 2014) [30:00] "Who Wants to Remember Bill Cosby’s Multiple Sex-Assault Accusations?" (Tom Scocca • Gawker • Feb 2014) [30:00] "Hannibal Buress Called Bill Cosby a Rapist During a Stand Up" (YouTube • Oct 2014) [42:00] Margaret Sullivan on the Longform Podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pablo Torre is a senior writer at ESPN the Magazine and frequently appears on Around the Horn, PTI, and other ESPN shows. “Most of my friends are not sports fans. My parents aren't. Brother and sister — no. So I just want to make things that they want to read. That's the big litmus test for me in deciding if a story is worth investing my time into: Is somebody who doesn’t give a shit about sports gonna be interested in this?” Thanks to MailChimp, Johnson & Johnson, FreshBooks, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @PabloTorre Pablog Torre on Longform [07:00] Torre’s Harvard Crimson Archive [11:00] "Fuck It We’ll Do It Live!" (YouTube) [12:00] First Take [12:00] "Raissman: Who will be Stephen A. Smith’s next foil on ESPN" (Bob Raissman • New York Daily News • Apr 2016) [17:00] The Longform Guide to Nurses [21:00] A Voice Crying in the Wilderness (Tony Kornheiser • Sports Illustrated • Apr 1983) [23:00] Around the Horn [25:00] "How (and Why) Athletes Go Broke" (Sports Illustrated • Mar 2009) [28:00] "Sympathy for the Devil? Child Homicide, Victim Characteristics, and the Sentencing Preferences of the American Conscience" (Social Science Research Network • Mar 2007) [33:00] Broke (30 for 30 • Oct 2012) [35:00] "A Light In the Darkness" (Sports Illustrated • Jun 2010) [40:00] "Larger Than Real Life" (Sports Illustrated • Jul 2011) [42:00] "Where Are They Now? Mike Tyson" (Sports Illustrated • Aug 2010) [43:00] "The Biggest Little Man in the World" (Andrew Corsello • GQ • Mar 2010) [44:00] "Welcome To Manny’s World" (ESPN the Magazine • Apr 2015) [45:00] "A Mystery Wrapped Inside An Enigma Shrouded In a Beard" (ESPN the Magazine • Oct 2015) [45:00] "The Friendship That Divides the NBA" (ESPN the Magazine • May 2016) [51:00] "Isolation Play" (ESPN the Magazine • Mar 2015) [53:00] "Kobe Bryant Snaps After Lakers Practice, Calls Team 'Soft Like Charmin'" ( Mike Prada • SB Nation • Dec 2014)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Robin Marantz Henig, the author of nine books, writes about science and medicine for The New York Times Magazine. “I have my moments of thinking, ‘Well, why is this still so hard? Why do I still have to prove myself after all this time?’ If I were in a different field, or if I were even on a staff, I’d have a title that gave me more respect. I still have to wait just as long as any other writer to get any kind of response to a pitch. I still have to pitch. Nothing is automatic, even after all these years of working at this.” Thanks to MailChimp, Johnson & Johnson, and Audible. Show Notes: @robinhenig robinhenig.com Henig on Longform [2:00] "The Mastermind" (Evan Ratliff • The Atavist Magazine • Mar 2016) [06:00] Vaginal Politics (Quadrangle Books • 1972) [12:00] Writer’s Market 2016: The Most Trusted Guide to Getting Published (Robert Lee Brewer • Writer’s Digest Books • 2015) [17:00] The Longform Guide to Nurses [16:00] The Myth of Senility: The Truth About the Brain and Aging (Anchor Press • 1981) [18:00] Authentic Happiness: Using the New Positive Psychology to Realize Your Potential for Lasting Fulfillment (Martin Seligman • Free Press • 2002) [19:00] "AIDS: A New Disease’s Deadly Odyssey" (New York Times Magazine • Feb 1983) [20:00] "The Deadly Spread of AIDS" (Claudia Wallis • Time • Sep 1982) [sub req'd] [23:00] "The Genome in Black and White (and Gray)" (New York Times Magazine • Oct 2004) [27:00] "Racing With Sam" (New York Times Magazine • Jan 2005) [30:00] "A Life-or-Death Situation" (New York Times Magazine • Jul 2013) [32:00] "The Last Day of Her Life" (New York Times Magazine • May 2015) [36:00] "The Mysteries of Miscarriage" (Washington Post • Jul 1990) [36:00] "If ‘Modern Bride’ Is a Has-Been, What Does That Make Me?" (Slate • Oct 2009) [40:-0] "Visible Bra Straps" (USA Today • Jun 1998) [41:00] "What Is It About 20-Somethings?" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2010) [41:00] Twentysomething: Why Do Young Adults Seem Stuck? (with Samantha Henig • Hudson Street Press • 2012) [43:00] "Semi-Charmed Life" (Nathan Heller • New Yorker • Jan 2013) [47:00] "If You Have Dementia, Can You Hasten Death As You Wished?" (Shots • Feb 2015) [52:00] "Crossing Over: How Science Is Redefining Life and Death" (National Geographic • Apr 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Seymour Hersh is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and the author of The Killing of Osama Bin Laden. “The government had denied everything we said. We just asked them and they said, ‘Oh no, not true, not true.’ That’s just—it’s all pro forma. You ask them to get their lie and you write their lie. I’m sorry to be so cynical about it, but that’s basically what it comes to.” Thanks to MailChimp, Johnson & Johnson, Freshbooks, Trunk Club, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: Hersh on Longform [2:00] The Killing of Osama Bin Laden (Verso • 2016) [15:00] "The My Lai Massacre" (St. Louis Post-Dispatch • Nov 1969) [15:00] "The Scene of the Crime" (New Yorker • Mar 2015) [21:00] "Defending the Arsenal" (New Yorker • Nov 2009) [22:00] "The Deal" (New Yorker • Mar 2004) [27:00] "Whose Sarin?" (London Review of Books • Dec 2013) [28:00] "The Red Line and the Rat Line" (London Review of Books • Apr 2014) [33:00] "The Killing of Osama bin Laden" (London Review of Books • May 2015) [36:00] Zero Dark Thirty [40:00] The Longform Guide to Nurses Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kelly McEvers, a former war correspondent, hosts NPR's All Things Considered and the podcast Embedded. “Listeners want you to be real, a real person. Somebody who stumbles and fails sometimes. I think the more human you are, the more people can then relate to you. The whole point is not so everybody likes me, but it’s so people will want to take my hand and come along. It's so they feel like they trust me enough to come down the road with me. To do that, I feel like you need to be honest and transparent about what that road’s like.” Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @kellymcevers McEvers on Longform [02:00] "How It Ends" (Lenny • Apr 2016) [06:00] "Diary of a Bad Year: A War Correspondent’s Dilemma" (Transom • Jun 2013) [08:00] "The Capital" (Embedded • Apr 2016) [25:00] Friday Was the Bomb: Five Years in the Middle East (Nathan Deuel • Disquiet • 2014) [28:00] All Things Considered [38:00] Embedded [39:00] Marketplace [42:00] "The Fight for the Future of NPR" (Leon Neyfakh • Slate • Apr 2016) [49:00] "Women of ‘The World’" (with Linnet Myers • Chicago Tribune • Mar 1999) [49:00] "138: The Real Thing" (This American Life • Aug 1999) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Evan Ratliff, a co-host of the Longform Podcast, discusses"The Mastermind,” his new 7-part serialized story in The Atavist Magazine. “On several occasions [sources] didn’t want to go into the details of how they were identified. They were just like, ‘My safety is in your hands. Just be careful.’ And I didn’t really know what to do with that. I was sort of trying to balance what to include and what not to include and trying to make these decisions. Will Paul Le Roux know it’s this person? It’s impossible to know. I tried to err on the side of caution, but there’s no ethics hotline you can call and be like, ‘What do I do in this situation?’”   Thanks to our friends at MailChimpfor making today's episode possible. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Susie Cagle is a journalist and illustrator. “I don’t really know what it was that made me not quit. I still kind of wonder that. There have been many times over the last couple of years even, as things are taking off in my career, things are going well, I’m writing about wonderful things that are interesting to me, and I still wonder—should I be doing this? What the hell is next year gonna look like?” Thanks to MailChimp, FreshBooks, and AlarmGrid for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @susie_c susie-c.tumblr.com [10:00] Cagle’s Curbed San Francisco Archive [21:00] "The Free and the Antifree" (n+1 Editors • n+1 • Fall 2014) [21:00] "Freedom Isn’t Antifree; Responding to Privilege"(with Manjula Martin • n+1 • Winter 2015) [22:00] Who Pays Writers? [30:00] "Is Wall Street Making a Killing off Cities’ Debt?" (Next City • Oct 2014) [34:00] "Cartoonist Susie Cagle on Her Tear Gassing and Arrest While Covering Occupy Oakland" (Laura Hudson • Comics Alliance • Nov 2011) [36:00] "Ledger #1: Spreadsheets > WORK > 2015 > By Gig" (Tiny Letter • Nov 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Maciej Ceglowski is the founder of Pinboard. He writes at Idle Words. “My natural contrarianism makes me want to see if I can do something long-term in an industry where everything either changes until it's unrecognizable or gets sold or collapses. I like the idea of things on the web being persistent. And more basically, I reject this idea that everything has to be on a really short time scale just because it involves technology. We’ve had these computers around for a while now. It’s time we start treating them like everything else in our lives, where it kind of lives on the same time scale that we do and doesn’t completely fall off the end of the world every three or four years.” Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, and Casper, and MIT Press for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @baconmeteor idlewords.com Ceglowski on Longform [2:00] Pinboard [2:00] The Bedbug Registry [17:00] "The Internet With a Human Face" (YouTube) [20:00] "Thoreau 2.0" (Idle Words • Sep 2013) [27:00] The Longform Guide to Sleep (Presented by Casper) [32:00] "The Alameda-Weehawken Burrito Tunnel" (Idle Words • Apr 2007) [40:00] Mimi Smartypants [41:00] "Send Idle Words to Antarctica" (Kickstarter • Jul 2015) [46:00] "On Smarm" (Tom Scocca • Gawker • Dec 2013) [47:00] "The Advertising Bubble" (Idle Words • Nov 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nate Silver is the founder of FiveThirtyEight and the author of The Signal and the Noise. “I know in a perfectly rational world, if you make an 80/20 prediction, people should know that not only will this prediction not be right all the time, but you did something wrong if it’s never wrong. The 20% underdog should come through sometimes. People in sports understand that sometimes a 15 seed beats a 2 seed in the NCAA tournament. That’s much harder to explain to people in politics.” Thanks to MailChimp, Bombas, Squarespace, and Trunk Club for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @NateSilver538 fivethirtyeight.com Silver on Longform [2:00] FiveThirtyEight Podcasts [2:00] "Why The Dean Scream Sounded So Different On TV" (Jody Avirgan, Clare Malone • FiveThirtyEight) [10:00] The Burrito Bracket [12:00] Silver’s Daily Kos Archive [19:00] The Signal and the Noise: Why So Many Predictions Fail—but Some Don’t (Penguin Books • 2012) [19:00] "FiveThirtyEight’s 2012 Forecast" (New York Times • Nov 2012) [45:00] "Donald Trump Is the World’s Greatest Troll" (FiveThirtyEight • Jul 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Elizabeth Gilbert has written for Spin, GQ, and The New York Times Magazine. She is the author of several books, including Eat, Pray, Love. “I call it the platinum rule. The golden rule is do unto others as you would have them do unto you, but the platinum rule is even higher: don’t be a dick.” Thanks to MailChimp, Bombas, Squarespace, and Audible for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @GilbertLiz elizabethgilbert.com Gilbert on Longform [36:00] "Buckle Bunnies" (Spin • Sep 1994) [Google Books] [39:00] Eat, Pray, Love: One Woman’s Search for Everything Across Italy, India and Indonesia (Riverhead Books • 2006) [42:00] "The Last American Man" (GQ • Aug 2010) [42:00] "The Ghost" (GQ • Aug 2010) [42:00] "The Muse of the Coyote Ugly Saloon" (GQ • Jun 2012) [42:00] "Dumb and Dumber" (Spin • Jul 1995) [Google Books] [43:00] "Dead Rock West" (Spin • Aug 1996) [Google Books] [48:58] "Play It Like Your Hair’s On Fire" (GQ • Jun 2002) [49:00] "Gotta Dance!" (GQ • Dec 1998) [1:02:00] Pilgrims (Houghton Mifflin • 1997) [1:09:00] The Signature of All Things (Penguin Group • 2013) [1:09:00] Big Magic: Creative Living Beyond Fear (Riverhead Books • 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Gabriel Snyder is the editor-in-chief of The New Republic. “I had a new job, I was new to the place, and I came to it with a great deal of respect but didn’t feel like I had any special claim to it. But in that moment I realized that there were all of these people who wanted to see the place die. And that the only way The New Republic was going to continue was by someone wanting to see it continue, and I realized I was one of those people now.” Thanks to MailChimp, Bombas, Harry's, and Trunk Club for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @gabrielsnyder [03:00] "The Mastermind" (Evan Ratliff • The Atavist Magazine • Mar 2016) [05:00] Inside [05:00] "How Journalism’s New Golden Boy Got Thrown Out Of New Republic" (Warren St. John • Observer • May 1998) [8:00] Longform Podcast #171: Adrian Chen [17:00] "The New Republic Turns 100 Today. Here’s Our First Issue, Ever." (The New Republic Staff • The New Republic • Nov 2014) [36:00] The New Republic on Longform [37:00] "The Secret Lives of Tumblr Teens" (Elspeth Reeve • The New Republic • Feb 2016) [39:00] "First, Let’s Get Rid of All the Bosses" (Roger D. Hodge • The New Republic • Oct 2015) [39:00] "The Bot Bubble" (Doug Bock Clark • The New Republic • Apr 2015) [41:00] "Bernie's Complaint" (Joshua Cohen • The New Republic • Feb 2016) [41:00] "Beyond Good and Evil" (Clancy Martin • The New Republic • Mar 2016) [41:00] "Lost in Trumplandia" (Patricia Lockwood • The New Republic • Mar 2016) [43:00] "At War in the Garden of Eden" (Jen Percy • The New Republic • Aug 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ben Smith is the editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed. “I do think as a reporter in general, most of what we deal in is ephemera. And I love that. I mean that’s the business, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. In fact, I think that’s a plus and something that shapes how you succeed at the job because you realize that this thing you’re writing is about this moment and right now, and about its place in the conversation. It’s not some piece of art to hang on the wall.” Thanks to MailChimp, Harry's, and Reveal, and Home Chef for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @buzzfeedben Smith on Longform [11:00] "Uber Executive Suggests Digging Up Dirt on Journalists" (BuzzFeed • Nov 2014) [11:00] "Donald Trump Secretly Told the New York Times What He Really Thinks About Immigration" (BuzzFeed • Feb 2016) [11:00] "Why BuzzFeed Doesn’t Do Clickbait" (BuzzFeed • Nov 2014) [11:00] "What the Longform Backlash Is All About" (Medium • Jan 2014) [12:00] "What the Hell Happened To Mickey Kaus?" (BuzzFeed • Dec 2015) [12:00] "Looking For Tom Lehrer, Comedy’s Mysterious Genius" (BuzzFeed • Apr 2014) [12:00] "A Personal Middle East Conflict In The Fight For Palestine" (BuzzFeed • Jan 2014) [12:00] "The Book That Defined Modern Campaign Reporting" (Politico • Dec 2010) [14:00] "The Boy Wonder of BuzzFeed" (Douglas Quenqua • New York Times • Feb 2013) [25:00] "Longform Podcast #47: Steve Kandell" (Longform • Jun 2013) [35:00] "Ben Smith and Jonah Peretti: The Gawker Interview" (J.K. Trotter • Gawker • Apr 2015) [36:00] "What We’re Doing To Keep Building A Diverse Editorial Operation" (BuzzFeed • Oct 2014) [39:00] "28 Signs You Were Raised By Persian Parents In America" (Samir Mezrahi • BuzzFeed • Mar 2013) [40:00] "How Bougie Are You?" (BuzzFeed • Jun 2014) [40:00] "Longform Podcast #179: Heben Nigatu and Tracy Clayton" [41:00] "13 Top Editors On How They Think About Diversity In Their Newsrooms" (Heben Nigatu, Tracy Clayton • BuzzFeed • Aug 2014) [49:00] "29 Things You Only Understand If You’re A Geocacher" (BuzzFeed • May 2014) [50:00] "The Tennis Racket" (Heidi Blake, John Templon • BuzzFeed • Jan 2016) [52:00] The Tasty Archive (BuzzFeed) [52:00] The Nifty Archive (BuzzFeed) [55:00] "36 Hours On The Fake Campaign Trail With Donald Trump" (McKay Coppins • BuzzFeed • Feb 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Daniel Alarcón, a novelist and the co-founder of Radio Ambulante, has written for Harper's, California Sunday, and the New York Times Magazine. “I’m a writer. I’ve written a bunch of books, and I care a lot about my sentences and my prose and all that. But would I be willing to defend my book in a Peruvian prison? That’s a litmus test I think a lot of writers I know would fail.” Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, and Home Chef for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @DanielGAlarcon danielalarcon.org Alarcón on Longform [3:00] Pop-Up Magazine [3:00] "Rigoberto" (Harper’s • Jan 2012) [7:00] War by Candlelight: Stories (Harper Perennial • 2006) [9:00] "All Politics Is Local" (Harper’s • Feb 2012) [15:00] At Night We Walk in Circles: A Novel (Riverhead Books • 2013) [17:00] "Let’s Go, Country" (Harper’s • Sep 2006) [18:00] Etiqueta Negra [19:-0] "City of Clowns" (New Yorker • Jun 2003) [19:00] "Grand Mall Seizure" (Alternet • Dec 2004) [26:00] Lost City Radio (Harper Perennial • 2008) [28:00] Radio Ambulante [38:00] "#47 Quit Already!" (Reply All • Dec 2015) [45:00] "Code Red" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2015) [47:00] "What Kind of Latino Am I" (Salon • May 2005) [50:47] "The Contestant" (California Sunday • Oct 2014) [50:47] "The Contestant" (Radio Ambulante • May 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jia Tolentino is the deputy editor of Jezebel. “Insult itself is an opportunity. I’m glad to be a woman, and I’m glad not to be white. I think it’s made me tougher. I’ve never been able to assume comfort or power. I’m just glad. I’m glad, especially as you watch the great white male woke freak-out meltdown that’s happening right now, I’m glad that it’s good to come from below.” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, and Home Chef for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @jiatolentino jiatolentino.tumblr.com Tolentino on Longform [08:00] "A Chat with Malcolm Brenner, Man Famous for Having Sex with a Dolphin" (Jezebel • Feb 2015) [08:00] Wet Goddess (Malcolm J. Brenner • Eyes Open Media • 2009) [11:00] Tolentino’s Interview With a Virgin Archive (The Hairpin) [15:00] "Rush After ‘A Rape On Campus’: A UVA Alum Goes Back to Rugby Road" (Jezebel • Jan 2015) [16:00] "No Offense" (Jezebel • Dec 2015) [18:00] "How Should Asian-Americans Feel About the Peter Liang Protests?" (Jay Caspian Kang • New York Times Magazine • Feb 2016) [24:00] "Gawker Slammed for Story Outing Conde Nast Exec [Updated]" (Jessica Roy • New York • Jul 2015) [27:00] "Letter of Recommendation: Cracker Barrel" (New York Times Magazine • Jan 2016) [28:00] "Cheerleaders for Christ" (Adult • Nov 2014) [31:00] "What Should We Say About David Bowie and Lori Maddox?" (Jezebel • Feb 2016) [47:00] "Damn, You’re Not Reading Any Books by White Men This Year? That’s So Freakin Brave and Cool" (Jezebel • Jan 2016) [48:00] "One Small Step" (D. T. Max • New Yorker • Jan 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Heather Havrilesky writes the Ask Polly advice column for New York and is the author of the upcoming How to Be a Person in the World. “I don’t give a shit if I succeed or fail or what I do next, I just want to do things that are strange and not sound bitey. I don’t want to be polished. I want to be such a wreck that no one will ever say ‘let’s put her on her own talk show.’” Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @hhavrilesky rabbitblog.com Havrilesky on Longform [01:00] "What Romance Really Means After 10 Years of Marriage" (New York • Feb 2016) [19:00] "’Mad Men’ Finale Recap: ‘The Moon Belongs to Everyone’" (Salon • May 2014) [20:00] "‘Mad Men’ Cartoon Countdown: The Seventh- and Sixth-to-Last Episodes" (New Yorker • Apr 2015) [26:00] "Chicks ‘n’ Shit" (Suck • Dec 1995) [30:00] Havrilesky’s Filler Archive (Suck • 2001) [36:00] Havrilesky’s Ask Polly Archive at The Awl [36:00] Ask Polly archive at New York [44:00] "Katy Perry and the Fear of a Female Planet" (New York • Oct 2015) [49:00] Mystery Show [57:00] How to Be a Person in the World: Ask Polly’s Guide Through the Paradoxes of Modern Life (Doubleday • 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wesley Yang writes for New York and other publications. “If a person remains true to some part of their experience, no matter what it is, and they present it in full candor, there’s value to that. People will recognize it. Once I knew that was true, I knew I could do this.” Thanks to MailChimp, Home Chef, and Trunk Club for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @wesyang Yang on Longform [02:00] "Paper Tigers" (New York • May 2011) [10:00] "The Snakehead" (Patrick Radden Keefe • New Yorker • Apr 2006) [24:00] "Eddie Huang Against the World" (New York Times Magazine • Feb 2015) [24:00] "The Face of Seung-Hui Cho" (n+1 • Jun 2011) [27:00] "The Life and Afterlife of Aaron Swartz" (New York • Feb 2013) [32:00] "The True Import of Present Dialogue, Black vs. Negro (For Peppe, Who Will Ultimately Judge Our Efforts)" (Nikki Giovanni) [42:00] "Longform Podcast #168: Ta-Nehisi Coates" (Nov 2015) [47:00] "We Out Here" (Harper’s Magazine • Mar 2016) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mishka Shubaly is the author of I Swear I’ll Make It Up to You and several best-selling Kindle Singles. “I remember thinking when I was shipwrecked in the Bahamas, ‘I’m going to fucking die here. I’m 24 years old, I’m going to die, and no one will miss me. I’m never going to see my mother again.’ And then the guy with the boat came around the corner and my first thought was ‘Man, this is going to be one hell of a story.’” Thanks to MailChimp and Audible for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @MishkaShubaly mishkashubaly.com [2:00] I Swear I’ll Make It Up to You: A Life on the Low Road (PublicAffairs • 2016) [3:00] "Questions Outweigh Answers In Shooting Spree at College" (Anthony DePalma • The New York Times • Dec 1992) [13:00] Beat the Devil [18:00] "Bad Dreams" (New York Press • Mar 2008) [29:00] "Shipwrecked" (Kindle Single • Apr 2011) [31:00] "The Long Run" (Kindle Single • Oct 2011) [46:00] Coward’s Path (Invisible Hands Music Limited • 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Heben Nigatu and Tracy Clayton host Another Round. “I’m just trying to follow my curiosities. You know how kids always ask the best questions because they haven’t lost the will to live? I’m just desperately trying to keep that childish curiosity about the world. Is that horribly depressing?” Thanks to MailChimp, Casper, Igloo, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @heavenrants @brokeymcpoverty Another Round [8:00] "1128: Free the McGriddle" (The Black Guy Who Tips • Feb 2016) [9:00] "Episode 1: Unlearning (with Durga Chew-Bose)" (Another Round • Mar 2015) [15:00] "Episode 28: Madam Secretary, What’s Good? (with Hillary Clinton)" (Another Round • Oct 2015) [33:00] "Chatterati" (The Root) [36:00] "The 45 Most Hilarious Tweets From #BlackBuzzFeed" (BuzzFeed • Jul 2013) [44:00] "When Taking Anxiety Medication Is a Revolutionary Act" (BuzzFeed • Feb 2015) [54:00] Forbes 30 Under 30: Heben Nigatu (Forbes • Jan 2016) [57:00] "The Tennis Racket" (BuzzFeed • Jan 2016) [1:01:00] "13 Top Editors On How They Think About Diversity in Their Newsrooms" (BuzzFeed • Aug 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michael J. Mooney is a staff writer at D Magazine and the author of The Life and Legend of Chris Kyle. “There are some elements of crime stories that are so absurd that it’s funny, and so working on the “How Not to Get Away With Murder” story, it was actually really funny thinking about it for a long time. Until I met Nancy Howard, the woman who was shot in the face and has one eye now. This is her entire life, and it was destroyed. This is not a crime story to her, it’s her life.” Thanks to MailChimp, Feverborn, Audible, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @MooneyMichaelJ michaeljmooney.com Mooney on Longform [5:00] "The Most Amazing Bowling Story Ever" (D Magazine • Jul 2012) [10:00] "The Real Girlfriend Experience" (New Times • Sep 2008) [17:00] "The New Glenn Beck" (D Magazine • Nov 2014) [23:00] "The Day Kennedy Died" (D Magazine • Nov 2008) [32:00] "How Not to Get Away With Murder" (D Magazine • Dec 2014) [33:00] "When Lois Pearson Started Fighting Back" (D Magazine • Jun 2012) [37:00] "The Legend of Chris Kyle" (D Magazine • Apr 2013) [42:00] "In the Crosshairs" (Nicholas Schmidle • The New Yorker • Jun 2013) [44:00] "Blindsided: The Jerry Joseph Basketball Scandal" (GQ • Jun 2011) [44:00] "The Kid Who Wasn’t There" (Wright Thompson • ESPN • Apr 2012) [44:00] Into the Wild (Jon Krakauer • Anchor Books • 1997) [44:30] "Trial By Fire" (David Grann • The New Yorker • Sep 2009) [50:35] "My Brother, the Murderer" (D Magazine • Jan 2016) [54:44] "Michael J. Mooney Interview: Unseen Lives" (Andrea Pitzer • Nieman Storyboard • Aug 2009) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Alex Perry, based in England, has covered Africa and Asia for Newsweek and Time. His most recent book is The Rift: A New Africa Breaks Free. “I got a call from one of my editors in 2003 or 2004, and he said something like, ‘You realize someone has died in the first line of every story you’ve filed for the last eight months?’ And my response was, ‘Of course. Isn’t that how we know it’s important?’ It took me a long time to work out that the importance of a story isn’t established only by death.” Thanks to MailChimp,Feverborn, and AlarmGrid for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @PerryAlexJ alex-perry.com Perry on Longform [2:00] The Rift: A New Africa Breaks Free (Weidenfeld & Nicolson • 2015) [3:00] The Hunt for Boko Haram (Newsweek Insights • 2014) [4:00] "Inside the World of Louis Sarno, the Pygmy Chief from New Jersey" (Howard Swains • Newsweek • Apr 2015) [4:00] "Behind the Scenes in Putin’s Court: The Private Habits of a Latter-Day Dictator" (Ben Judah • Newsweek • Jul 2014) [27:20] "The Collateral Crisis in Somalia" (Time • Sep 2011) [44:00] "Once Upon a Jihad" (Newsweek • Jan 2015) [47:00] HHhH: A Novel (Laurent Binet • Picador • 2013) [54:00] "The Cocaine Crisis: How the Drug Trade is Ruining West Africa" (Time • Oct 2012) [54:00] Cocaine Highway: The Lines That Link Our Drug Habit to Terror (Newsweek Insights • 2014) [56:00] The Quake: The Day Everest Shook Its Bones (Newsweek Insights • 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Grant Wahl is senior writer at Sports Illustrated and the author of The Beckham Experiment. “I said to Balotelli, ‘I know you’re into President Obama. There’s a decent chance that he might read this story.’ He kind of perked up. I don’t think I was deliberately misleading him. There was a chance!” Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, Feverborn, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @GrantWahl Wahl's Sports Illustrated archive Wahl on Longform [4:00] "Hidden Damages" (M.R. O'Conner • The Atavist Magazine • Jan 2015) [19:00] "Home at Last" (William Mack • Sports Illustrated • Mar 1997) [20:00] "Men on a Mission" (Sports Illustrated • Feb 1997) [22:00] "The Odd Coupling" (Sports Illustrated • Oct 1997) [24:00] "Paternity Ward" (Sports Illustrated • May 1998) [27:00] The Beckham Experiment: How the World’s Most Famous Athlete Tried to Conquer America (Three Rivers Press • 2009) [28:00] "The Americanization of David Beckham" (Sports Illustrated • Jul 2007) [34:00] "Mario Balotelli Has a Talent That’s Every Bit as Electric as His Personality" (Sports Illustrated • Aug 2013) [34:00] "Luis Suarez is the Hottest Player on the Planet, But Can He Keep His Cool?" (Sports Illustrated • Jun 2014) [41:00] "Ahead of His Class" (Sports Illustrated • Feb 2002) [41:00] "Ready For Freddy?" (Sports Illustrated • Mar 2004) [48:00] "Arm Folding: Who Does It the Best?" (Fox Sports • Jun 2015) [48:00] "What Happened When I Decided to Run for FIFA President" (Sports Illustrated • Apr 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brooke Gladstone is the co-host of On the Media and the author of The Influencing Machine. “I'm not going to get any richer or more famous than I am right now. This is it, this is fine — it's better than I ever expected. I don't have anything to risk anymore. As far as I’m concerned, I want to just spend this last decade, decade and a half, twenty years, doing what I think is valuable. I don’t have any career path anymore. I’m totally off the career path. The beautiful thing is that I just don’t have any more fucks to give.” Thanks to Audible, Open Source, MailChimp, Igloo, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @OTMBrooke On the Media [10:00] "The Case Against the MX" (Inquiry • Aug 1979) [pdf] [12:00] Fred Kaplan's Slate archive [22:00] "Vanity Plates" (Bob Garfield • On the Media • Feb 2003) [24:00] "Reporting Around DHS Opacity" (On the Media • Oct 2013) [33:00] "The Anatomy of Six Shootings" (On The Media • Aug 2014) [35:00] The Influencing Machine: Brooke Gladstone on the Media (W. W. Norton & Company • 2011) [56:00] "Margaret Atwood Writes for the Future" (On the Media • Jun 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Venkatesh Rao is the founder of Ribbonfarm and the author of Breaking Smart. “I would say I was blind and deaf and did not know anything about how the world worked until I was about 25. It took until almost 35 before I actually cut loose from the script. The script is a very, very powerful thing. The script wasn’t working for me.” Thanks to MailChimp and CreativeLive for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @vgr Ribbonfarm Rao on Longform [3:00] "Seeking Density in the Gonzo Theater" (Ribbonfarm • Jan 2012) [5:00] "You Are Not an Artisan" (Ribbonfarm • July 2013) [6:00] Breaking Smart: Season 1 [11:00] "Why Software Is Eating the World" (Marc Andreessen • Wall Street Journal • Aug 2011) [19:00] Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction (Philip E. Tetlock • Crown • 2015) [31:00] "The End of History?" (Francis Fukuyama • The National Interest • 1989) [pdf] [39:00] Quora [48:00] "Deep Play" (Aeon • Nov 2013) [48:00] "The American Cloud" (Aeon • July 2013) [48:00] "Why Solving Climate Change Will Be Like Mobilizing for War" (The Atlantic • Oct 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Doug McGray is the co-founder and editor-in-chief of California Sunday and Pop-Up. “Your life ends up being made up of the things you remember. You forget most of it, but the things that you remember become your life. And if you can make something that someone remembers, then you’re participating in their life. There’s something really meaningful about that. It feels like something worth trying to do.” Thanks to MailChimp, Smart People Podcast, Howl, and CreativeLive for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @dougmcgray douglasmcgray.com Pop-Up Magazine McGray on Longform California Sunday on Longform [11:00] "The Invisibles" (West • Apr 2006) [14:00] "Episode 329: Nice Work If You Can Get It" (This American Life • Apr 2007) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kliph Nesteroff writes for WFMU's Beware of the Blog. His book, The Comedians: Drunks, Thieves, Scoundrels, and the History of American Comedy, was released in November. “Well, comedy always becomes stale. Whether it’s offensive or not offensive, it has an expiry date, unfortunately. A lot of people don’t want to hear this because that means a lot of their favorite comedians suddenly become irrelevant. But that’s the history of comedy: the hippest, coolest guy today—whoever that is to you in comedy—50 years from now, the new generation is going to say, ‘That guy’s not funny, and he’s square.’ And they’re going to say, ‘This new young guy is funny.’ But in another 50 years that guy becomes the square who isn’t funny. And it’s not that they weren’t funny and everybody was wrong; it was that that person was relating to their time.” Thanks to MailChimp, Casper, Squarespace , and CreativeLive for sponsoring this week's episode. If you would like to pitch in, please become a Longform Supporter. Show Notes: @ClassicShowbiz Nesteroff on Longform [1:00] The Comedians: Drunks, Thieves, Scoundrels, and the History of American Comedy (Grove Press • 2015) [14:00] Monty Python: Live at Drury Lane (Charisma • 1974) [14:00] Stan Freberg with the Original Cast (Capitol • 1959) [14:00] Wayne and Shuster: In Person Comedy Performance (Columbia • 1960) [15:00] Vaughn Meader: The First Family (Cadence • 1962) [21:00] "Episode 314: Kliph Nesteroff" (WTF • Sept 2012) [28:00] "A History of Christian Archie Comics" (2005) [28:00] "American Idol" (Jim Windolf • Vanity Fair • Nov 2006) [30:00] WFMU [31:00] "The Christian Action Films of Erik Estrada" (WFMU's Beware of the Blog • Nov 2006) [32:00] "The Forgotten Murray Roman" (WFMU's Beware of the Blog • Nov 2007) [48:00] "Destination Subconscious: Cary Grant and LSD" (WFMU's Beware of the Blog • Mar 2010) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Adrian Chen is a freelance journalist who has written for The New Yorker, The New York Times Magazine, and Wired. His latest article is "Unfollow," about a former member of the Westboro Baptist Church. “Twitter and social media get such a bad rep for being full of hate and trolls. And, you know, a lot of the stories I’ve written have probably bolstered that stereotype. I think a lot of people have a lot of anxiety and ambivalence about social media even though they love it—they’re on it all the time—and they’re kind of thinking of it as a vice, as something they should be ashamed of, as bad. But this is a very clear win. It's not some abstract thing you could never measure. No, it’s like, [social media] really did cause her to leave the church.” Thanks to MailChimp, Casper, Squarespace, Mack Weldon, and Howl.fm for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @AdrianChen Longform Podcast #13: Adrian Chen Chen on Longform [5:00] "Unfollow" (The New Yorker • Nov 2015) [24:00] "The Agency" (The New York Times Magazine • June 2015) [37:00] "Don't Be a Stranger" (The New Inquiry • Feb 2013) [37:00] "The Laborers Who Keep Dick Pics And Beheadings Out Of Your Facebook Feed" (Wired • Oct 2014) [42:00] "The Troll Hunters" (MIT Technology Review• Dec 2014) [48:00] Vote for your favorite articles of the year in Longform's Best of 2015 Readers' Poll Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Aleksandar Hemon is a writer from Bosnia whose fiction and non-fiction has appeared in The New Yorker and Granta. His books include The Lazarus Project, The Question of Bruno, and The Book of My Lives. “For me and for everyone I know, that's the central fact of our lives. It's the trauma that we carry, that we cannot be cured of. The way things are in Bosnia, it's far from over. It's not peace, it's the absence of war. It's always there as a possibility. There's no way to imagine anything beyond a society defined by war.” Thanks to The Standard Hotels, MailChimp, and Howl.FM for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: aleksandarhemon.com Hemon on Longform [1:00] "The Aquarium" (The New Yorker • Oct 2014) [1:00] The Book of My Lives (Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2013) [5:00] The Question of Bruno (Vintage • 2001) [23:00] Submission (Michel Houellebecq • Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chip Kidd is a book designer and author. His most recent book is Only What's Necessary: Charles M. Schulz and the Art of Peanuts. “The curious thing about doing a book cover is that you're creating a piece of art, but it is in service to a greater piece of art that is dictating what you're going to do. I may think I've come up with the greatest design in the world, but if the author doesn't like it, they win. And I have to start over.” Thanks to The Standard Hotels, MailChimp, Mack Weldon, Prudential, The Great Courses Plus, and "The Message" for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @chipkidd chipkidd.com [4:00] Kidd's Amazon page [5:00] Only What's Necessary: Charles M. Schulz and the Art of Peanuts (Harry N. Abrams • 2015) [5:00] "Judge This" (TED Books • 2015) [11:00] The Cheese Monkeys (Scribner • 2001) [11:00] The Learners (Workman Publishing Company • 2008) [11:00] Go: A Kidd's Guide to Graphic Design (Scribner • 2008) [15:00] Lawrence Wright on the Longform Podcast [16:00] The Looming Tower (Lawrence Wright • Knopf • 2008) [22:00] Charles Burns's Black Hole cover [31:00] Dress Your Family in Corduroy and Denim (Little Brown and Company • 2004) [35:00] What I Talk About When I Talk About Running (Knopf • 2004) [35:00] Underground: The Tokyo Gas Attack & the Japanese Psyche (The Harvill Press • 2000) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ta-Nehisi Coates is a national correspondent for The Atlantic. His latest book, Between the World and Me, just won the National Book Award. “When I first came to New York, I couldn't see any of this. I felt like a complete washout. I was in my little apartment, eating donuts and playing video games. The only thing I was doing good with my life was being a father and a husband. That was it. David [Carr] was a big shot. And he would call me in, just out of the blue, to have lunch. I was so low at that point. ... He said, ​I think you're a great bet. ... He was remembering people who had invested in him when he was low. That more than anything is why I'm sad he's not here for all of this. Because it's for him. It's to say to him, ​you were right​.” Please become a Longform Supporter. Make your contribution here. Thanks to MailChimp, Casper, Squarespace, MasterClass, and "The Message" for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @tanehisicoates Longform Podcast #7: Ta-Nehisi Coates Longform Podcast #97: Ta-Nehisi Coates Coates on Longform Coates' The Atlantic archive [5:00] "A Letter To My Son" (The Atlantic • Jul 2015) [12:00] "To Raise, Love, and Lose a Black Child" (The Atlantic • Oct 2014) [12:00] "The Case for Reparations" (The Atlantic • June 2014) [31:00] Ragtime (E.L. Doctorow • Random House • 1975) [33:00] The Fire Next Time (James Baldwin • Dial Press • 1963) [38:00] "The Really Big One" (Kathryn Schulz • New Yorker • July 2015) [40:00] "The Black Experience Isn't Just About Men" (Shani O. Hilton • Buzzfeed • July 2015) [42:00] "The Black Family in the Age of Mass Incarceration" (The Atlantic • Oct 2015) [47:00] "Ta-Nehisi Coates to Write Black Panther Comic for Marvel" (George Gene Gustines • New York Times • Sept 2015) [53:00] "'This Is How We Lost to the White Man': The Audacity of Bill Cosby's Black Conservatism" (The Atlantic • May 2008) [54:00] "American Girl" (The Atlantic • Jan/Feb 2009) [59:00] "How ESPN's Fear Of The Truth Defeated 'Black Grantland'" (Greg Howard • Deadspin • Oct 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kurt Andersen is the co-founder of Spy Magazine, the author of several books, and the host of Studio 360. “As a young person, I never thought of myself as a risk-taker. Then I did this risky thing that shouldn't have succeeded, I started this magazine. And it did encourage me to think, ‘Eh, how bad can it be if it fails? Sometimes these long shots work. So fuck it, try it.’” Thanks to MailChimp, MasterClass, The Message, RealtyShares, and Prudential for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @KBAndersen kurtandersen.com Andersen on Longform [2:00] The Spy Magazine archive on Google Books [12:00] Private Eye [19:00] "Felkerism" (New York • Jul 2008) [25:00] "When a Magazine Is Too Brash for the Bottom Line" (Robin Pogrebin • New York Times • Sep 1996) [28:00] Turn of the Century (Random House • 1999) [28:00] Heyday (Random House • 2007) [31:00] "The Digital Bubble " (New Yorker • Jan 1998) [33:00] "Inside Out" (Ken Auletta • New Yorker • May 2006) [40:00] Studio 360 [42:00] "Lily Tomlin's Audacious Life" (Studio 360 • Aug 2015) [54:00] "Here Is New York" (E.B. White • 1949) [pdf] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ed Caesar is a freelance writer based in England whose work has appeared in The New Yorker, British GQ, and The Sunday Times Magazine. He is the author of Two Hours: The Quest to Run the Impossible Marathon. “That was a really horrific situation. People were being killed in the street in front of us. People were firing weapons in all directions. It was really chaotic and quite scary. It freaked me out. And I thought, 'Actually, there's not a huge amount more of this I want to do in my life.'” Thanks to MailChimp, MasterClass, The Message, RealtyShares, and Prudential for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @edcaesar edcaesar.co.uk Caesar on Longform [2:00] "House of Secrets" (New Yorker • Jun 2015) [sub req'd] [3:00] "Congo: The Horror" (GQ (UK) • Jan 2010) [3:00] "Tehran Nights" (GQ (UK) • Jun 2009) [4:00] We Wish to Inform You That Tomorrow We Will be Killed With Our Families: Stories from Rwanda (Philip Gourevitch • Picador 1999) [5:00] "Blood Oil" (Sebastian Junger • Vanity Fair • Jun 2009) [7:00] "The Visit: Mikhail Khodorkovsky's Life Inside" (The Independent • Sep 2011) [7:00] "Jon Bon Jovi" (The Independent • May 2006) [10:00] The Guardian Long Read [17:00] "Hell Is Other People" (GQ (UK) • May 2014) [22:00] Two Hours: The Quest to Run the Impossible Marathon (Simon & Schuster • 2015) [23:00] "Sammy Wanjiru: The Runner They Left Behind" (Sunday Times Magazine • Nov 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jazmine Hughes is an associate editor at The New York Times Magazine. Her writing has appeared in The New Yorker, Elle, Cosmopolitan, and The New Republic. “You hope that one day when you’re the editor-in-chief of Blah, Blah, Blah, that you’ll wake up and be like, ‘Okay, I deserve my job.’ But so far I haven’t met anyone who has told me that they feel that way. But, I will say, I don’t talk to white men a lot.” Thanks to MailChimp, MasterClass, and The Great Courses Plus for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @jazzedloon [3:00] "I Bled Through My Pants My First Day Working for the The New York Times" (Lenny • Oct 2015) [7:00] "Do You Have Impostor Syndrome?" (The Hairpin• Nov 2014) [15:00] "I Dressed Like Cookie from Empire for a Week to Get Over My Imposter Syndrome" (Cosmopolitan• Oct 2015) [23:00] "How Many White People Does It Take to Ruin a Good Joke? (The New Republic • Sept 2015) [24:00] The Secret Fantasies of Adults (New Yorker • Nov 2014) [26:00] I'm Black, He's White. Who Cares? I Do, Actually. (Jezebel • Aug 2013) [38:00] "The Radical Vision of Toni Morrison" (Rachel Kaadzi Ghansah • New York Times Magazine • April 2015) [42:00] "One Big Question" archive (The Hairpin• Sept 2015) [42:00] I Love Myself When I'm Laughing and Then Again When I am Looking Mean and Impressive (Zora Neale Hurston • The Feminist Press at CUNY • 1979) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lena Dunham, the creator and star of HBO's Girls, is the co-founder of Lenny and the author of Not That Kind of Girl. A special episode hosted by Longform Podcast editor Jenna Weiss-Berman. “Writing across mediums can be a really healthy way to utilize your energy and stay productive while not feeling entrapped. But at the end of the day, the time when I feel like life is most just, like, flying by and I don't even know what's happening to me is when I'm writing prose. It's such an intimate relationship that you're having. When you're writing a script, you're making a blueprint for something that doesn't exist yet. But when you're writing prose, the thing exists immediately. And that's really satisfying. It's the best place to go for my deepest and most in-the-now concerns.” Thanks to MailChimp, Prudential, Casper, and The Great Courses for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @lenadunham Dunham on Longform [2:00] "Women of the Hour," Dunham's new podcast (iTunes) [10:00] "Seeing Nora Everywhere" (New Yorker • Jun 2012) [11:00] "First Love" (New Yorker • Aug 2012) [21:00] "Why Do I Make Less Than My Male Co‑Stars?" (Jennifer Lawrence • Lenny • Oct 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Matthew Shaer is a freelance writer whose work has appeared in The New York Times Magazine, New York, GQ, and The Atavist Magazine. “I could not turn off the freelance switch in my head. I could not not be thinking about these different types of stories. My Google Alert list looks like a serial killer's.” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, Howl, and MasterClass for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @matthewshaer matthewshaer.com Shaer on Longform [12:00] "A Shtetl Divided" (Harper's • Jan 2011) [sub req'd] [15:00] Among Righteous Men: A Tale of Vigilantes and Vindication in Hasidic Crown Heights (Wiley & Sons • 2011) [18:00] "A Monster Among the 'From'" (New York • Dec 2011) [24:00] "The Orthodox Hit Squad" (GQ • Sept 2014) [27:00] "Whatsoever Things Are True" (Atavist • Sept 2015) [46:00] "How Thailand's Most Notorious Prison Became a Fight Club" (Men's Journal• Apr 2014) [47:00] "Freedom Fighters" (Hemispheres• Nov 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

John Seabrook is a New Yorker staff writer and the author of The Song Machine: Inside the Hit Factory. “Whether or not the piece succeeds or fails is not going to depend on whether I’m up to the minute on the latest social media spot to hang out or the latest slang words that are thrown around. It’s going to be the old eternal verities of structural integrity. So much of it is narrative and figuring out the tricks—and they are tricks, really—that make it go as a narrative. And that’s really the most interesting thing. Because you never ultimately have a formula that goes from piece to piece; it’s always going to have to be rediscovered every time you work on a long piece. And that’s kind of fun.” Thanks to MailChimp and MasterClass for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @jmseabrook Seabrook on Longform Seabrook's New Yorker archive [3:00] The Song Machine: Inside the Hit Factory (W. W. Norton • 2015) [11:00] "The Doctor Is In" (New Yorker • Oct 2013) [20:00] "Blank Space: What Kind of Genius is Max Martin?" (New Yorker • Sept 2015) [31:00] "E-mail from Bill" (New Yorker • Jan 1994) [45:00] Nobrow: The Culture of Marketing, The Marketing of Culture (Vintage • 2001) [46:00] "Crush Point" (New Yorker • Feb 2011) [46:00] "The Flash of Genius" (New Yorker • Jan 1993) [55:00] "Factory Girls" (New Yorker • Oct 2012) [56:00] "The Song Machine" (New Yorker • Mar 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Karina Longworth is a film writer and the creator/host of You Must Remember This, a podcast exploring the secret stories of Hollywood. “For me the thing that’s exciting about it is that it’s research, and it’s reportage, and it’s criticism. But it’s also art. It’s creatively done. It’s drama. It consciously tries to engage people on that emotional level.” Thanks to MailChimp, Squarespace, and MasterClass for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @KarinaLongworth Longworth on Longform Longworth's LA Weekly archive vidiocy.com [8:00] Meryl Streep: Anatomy of an Actor (Phaidon Press • 2014) [8:00] Hollywood Frame by Frame: The Unseen Silver Screen in Contact Sheets, 1951-1997 (Princeton Architectural Press • 2014) [15:00] Holy Motors (Leos Carax • Arte Cinema • 2012) [18:00] "1: The Hard Hollywood Life of Kim Novak" (You Must Remember This • Mar 2014) [26:00] "7: The Many Loves of Howard Hughes, Chapter 1" (You Must Remember This • June 2014) [32:00] "33: Star Wars Episode VII: Lena Horne" (You Must Remember This • Feb 2015) [33:00] "28: Star Wars Episode II: Carole Lombard and Clark Gable" (You Must Remember This • Jan 2015) [34:00] "44: Charles Manson's Hollywood: What We Talk About When We Talk About The Manson Murders, Part 1" (You Must Remember This • May 2015) [36:00] Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson (Jeff Guinn • Simon and Schuster • 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jessica Hopper is editor-in-chief of the Pitchfork Review and the author of The First Collection of Criticism by a Living Female Rock Critic. “I have an agenda. You can’t read my writing and not know that I have a staunch fucking agenda at all times.” Thanks to MailChimp, Blue Apron, and Fracture for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @jesshopp Hopper on Longform Hopper's Pitchfork archive [28:00] "Review of Superchunk's I Hate Music" (Brandon Stosuy • Pitchfork • Aug 2013) [35:00] "The Passion of David Bazan" (Chicago Reader • July 2009) [39:00] "How Selling Out Saved Indie Rock" (BuzzFeed • Nov 2013) [39:00] "Read the 'Stomach-Churning' Sexual Assault Accusations Against R.Kelly In Full" (The Village Voice • Dec 2013) [41:00] "Deconstructing Lana Del Rey" (Spin • Jan 2012) [48:00] The First Collection of Criticism by a Living Female Rock Critic (Featherproof Books • 2015) [50:00] "Gals/other marginalized folks: what was your 1st brush (in music industry, journalism, scene) w/ idea that you didn't 'count'?" (Twitter • Aug 2015) [52:00] "Where The Girls Aren't" (Rookie • July 2015) [55:00] Hopper's keynote at BIGSOUND (YouTube) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ira Glass is the host and executive producer of This American Life. “You can only have so many questions about feelings, I think. At some point people are just like alright, enough with the feelings.” Thanks to MailChimp, EA SPORTS FIFA 16, Fracture, and FRONTLINE's "My Brother's Bomber for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @iraglass Out on the Wire (Jessica Abel • Broadway Books • 2015) [10:00] "1: New Beginnings" (This American Life • Nov 1995) [14:00] Serial [21:00] "75: Kindness of Strangers" (This American Life • Nov 1995) [27:00] Three Acts, Two Dancers, One Radio Host [28:00] "480: Human Sacrifice" (This American Life • Nov 2012) [30:00] "562: The Problem We All Live With" (Nikole Hannah-Jones • This American Life • July 2015) [31:00] "564: Too Soon" (This American Life • Aug 2015) [31:00] "565: Lower 9+10" (This American Life • Aug 2015) [35:00] "513: 129 Cars" (This American Life • Dec 2013) [53:00] Longform Podcast #124: Alex Blumberg [54:00] Conan's Farewell Speech Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Peter Hessler is a staff writer for The New Yorker. “It may have helped that I didn’t have a lot of ideas about China. You know, it was sort of a blank slate in my mind. …I wasn’t a reporter when I went to Fuling, but I was thinking like a reporter or even like a sociologist: try to respond to what you see and what you hear, and not be too oriented by things you’ve heard from others or things you may have read. Be open to new perceptions of the place or of the people.” Thanks to MailChimp and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: Hessler on Longform Hessler's New Yorker archive [14:00] "Boomtown Girl" (New Yorker • May 2001) [21:00] Oracle Bones: A Journey Through Time in China (HarperCollins • 2006) [21:00] "Travels With My Censor" (New Yorker • Mar 2015) [24:00] "Dr. Don" (New Yorker • Sept 2011) [25:00] "Tales of the Trash" (New Yorker • Oct 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Margo Jefferson, a Pulitzer Prize winner, has written for The New York Times, Newsweek, and Harper's. Her latest book is Negroland: A Memoir. “One of the problems with—burdens of—‘race conversations’ in this country is certain ideological, political, sociological narratives keep getting imposed. This is where the conversation should go, these are the roles we need. In a way, this is the comfort level of my discomfort. ... Maybe we’re all somewhat addicted—I think we are—to certain racial conversations, with their limitations and their conventions.” Thanks to MailChimp and Casper for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @jeffersonmargo Jefferson on Longform Jefferson's New York Times archive Brownscast: The Official Podcast of the Cleveland Browns [19:00] On Michael Jackson (Pantheon • 2006) [20:00] "Critic Jefferson Stays in Off-Broadway Negroland through November" (David Lefkowitz • Playbill • Nov 2001) [29:00] "Thomas Bradshaw by Margo Jefferson: An interview" (BOMB • 2009) [31:00] The Hunger of Memory: The Education of Richard Rodriguez (Richard Rodriguez • Bantam Books • 1982) [31:00] Days of Obligation: An Argument with My Mexican Father (Richard Rodriguez • Penguin • 1993) [31:00] Brown: The Last Discovery of America (Richard Rodriguez • Penguin • 2002) [31:00] The Women (Hilton Als • Farrar Straus Giroux • 1996) [31:00] Memories of a Catholic Girlhood (Mary McCarthy • Harvest/HBJ • 1957) [35:00] "Ripping Off Black Music From Thomas 'Daddy' Rice to Jimi Hendrix" (Harper's • Jan 1973) [sub req'd] [40:00] The Good Girls Revolt: How the Women of Newsweek Sued Their Bosses and Changed their Workplace (Lynn Povich • Perseus • 2012) [57:00] "The Reign of Beyoncé" (Vogue • Sept 2015) [106:00] "Books of the Times: The Scars of Disease, External and Internal" (The New York Times • Sept 1994) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Renata Adler is a journalist, critic, and novelist. Her latest collection of nonfiction is After the Tall Timber. “Unless you're going to be fairly definite, what's the point of writing?” Thanks to MailChimp, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: Adler on Longform Adler's New Yorker archive [7:00] I, Libertine (Theodore Sturgeon • Ballantine Books • 1956) [8:00] After Tall Timber: Collected Nonfiction (Ballantine Books • 2015) [9:00] "Letter from Selma" (New Yorker • Apr 1965) [9:00] "Fly Trans-love Airways" (New Yorker • Feb 1967) [15:00] "Letter from Israel" (New Yorker • Jun 1967) [sub req'd] [17:00] "Letter from Biafra" (New Yorker • Oct 1969) [sub req'd] [34:00] Adler's New York Times film reviews archive [47:00] "An American Original: Excerpts from Pat Moynihan's letters" (Steven Weisman • Vanity Fair • Oct 2010) [50:00] "The Perils of Pauline" (The New York Review of Books • Aug 1980) [1:08:00] "Two Trials" (New Yorker • June 1986) [sub req'd] [1:09:00] Reckless Disregard: Westmoreland v. CBS, et al; Sharon v. Time (Knopf • 1986) [1:03:00] Gone: The Last Days of the New Yorker (Simon & Schuster • 1999) [1:10:00] "Decoding the Starr Report" (Vanity Fair • Dec 1998) [1:19:00] Canaries in a Mineshaft: Essay on Politics and Media (St. Martin's Press • 2001) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

S.L. Price is a senior writer at Sports Illustrated. “The fact is, if you write about sports and people think they're just reading about sports, they'll read about drug use. They'll read about sex. They'll read about sex change. They'll read about communism. They'll read about issues they couldn't possibly care about, issues that if they saw them in any other part of the paper they would just gloss over. But because it's about sports—because there's a boxing ring or a baseball field or a football field—they'll be more patient and you can get some issues under the transom.” Thanks to Pitt Writers and TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @bySLPrice Price on Longform Price's Sports Illustrated archive [8:00] "Too Slick, Too Loud, Too Successful: Why John Calipari Can't Catch a Break" (Sports Illustrated • Mar 2011) [9:00] "A Death in the Baseball Family" (Sports Illustrated • Sept 2007) [9:00] Heart of the Game: Life, Death, and Mercy in Minor League America (Ecco • 2009) [14:00] "Max Lenox's Amazing Journey to Much-Admired Army Hoops Captain" (Sports Illustrated • Nov 2011) [17:00] "The Damage Done" (Sports Illustrated • Jun 2006) [18:00] The Staircase (New Video Group • 2005) [23:00] "Shadow of Shame" (Sports Illustrated • May 1994) [25:00] "The Heart of Football Beat in Aliquippa: Hope and Despair in a Pennsylvania Mill Town" (Sports Illustrated • Jan 2011) [28:00] Pitching Around Fidel: A Journey into the Heart of Cuban Sports (University of Press Florida • 2000) [32:00] "Diplomacy By Other Means" (Sports Illustrated • May 2004) [44:00] "The Mystery of the Vanishing Screwball" (Bruce Schoenfeld • The New York Times Magazine • July 2014) [48:00] "The Life and Times of Rick Majerus: The Coach You Didn't Know" (Sports Illustrated • Feb 2015) [49:00] Longform Podcast #94: Gary Smith (May 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

William Finnegan is a New Yorker staff writer and the author of Barbarian Days: A Surfing Life. “I suppose in retrospect I was just trying to find out what the world held that nobody could tell me about until I got there. I was a big reader and had a couple of degrees by that point, but there was something not well over the horizon that I wanted to get near and record and understand, and I even felt like it would transform me.” Thanks to TinyLetter, SquareSpace, and The Great Courses for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: Finnegan on Longform Finnegan's New Yorker archive [6:00] "Playing Doc's Games" (New Yorker • Aug 1992) [8:00] Crossing the Line: A Year in the Land of Apartheid (Persea • 1986) [37:00] "The Emergency" (New Yorker • May 1989) [sub req'd] [38:00] "Getting The Story" (New Yorker • June 1987) [sub req'd] [40:00] "A Theft in The Library" (New Yorker • Oct 2005) [sub req'd] [41:00] "Tears of the Sun: A Fortune at the Top of the World" (New Yorker • Apr 2015) [49:00] Of a Fire on the Moon (Norman Mailer • Grove Press • 1985) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tim Ferriss is the author of The Four Hour Workweek and The Four Hour Body. “If you have a fitness magazine, you can’t just write one issue, ‘Here are the rules!’ ... My job, conversely, is to make myself obsolete. The last thing I want to be is a guru, someone people come to for answers. I want to be the person people come to for better questions.” Thanks to TinyLetter and The Great Courses for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @tferriss Ferriss's blog Ferriss's podcast [8:00] "Brigade De Cuisine" (John McPhee • New Yorker • Feb 1979) [sub req'd] [10:00] "How to Live Like a Rock Star (or Tango Star) in Buenos Aires…" (Four-Hour Workweek • Mar 2007) [13:00] George Plimpton’s Longform Archive [20:00] Surely You’re Joking, Mr. Feynman!: Adventures of a Curious Character (Richard Feynman • W.W. Norton • 1985) [22:00] José Aldo MMA Highlights (YouTube) [24:00] "How Choose Your Adventure Was Born" (Marketplace • Apr 2014) [30:00] Episode #304: Heretics (This American Life • Dec 2005) [40:00] "Some Practical Thoughts on Suicide" (Four-Hour Workweek • May 2015) [49:00] "Tim Ferriss and Amazon Try to Reinvent Publishing" (David Streitfeld • The New York Times • Nov 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Carol Loomis retired last summer after 60 years at Fortune. She continues to edit Warren Buffett's annual report. “Writing itself makes you realize where there are holes in things. I’m never sure what I think until I see what I write. And so I believe that, even though you’re an optimist, the analysis part of you kicks in when you sit down to construct a story or a paragraph or a sentence. You think, ‘Oh, that can’t be right.’ And you have to go back, and you have to rethink it all.”  Thanks to TinyLetter and SquareSpace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: Show Notes: [1:00] "Carol Loomis, Editor for Warren Buffet, Leaves Job After 60 Years" (Christine Haughney • The New York Times • July 2014) [14:00] "My 51 Years (and Counting) at Fortune" (Fortune • Sep 2005) [22:00] "You May Be Missing a Bet in Bonds" (Fortune • Sep 1962) [not available online] [22:00] "Should a Company Promote Its Own Stock?" (Fortune • Dec 1965) [not available online] [26:00] "The Jones Nobody Keeps Up With" (Fortune • Apr 1966) [pdf] [32:00] "The Inside Story of Warren Buffett" (Fortune • Apr 1988) [35:00] "Untangling the Derivatives Mess..." (Fortune • Mar 1995) [36:00] "The Risk That Won't Go Away" (Fortune • Mar 1994) [39:00] "Why Carly's Big Bet is Failing" (Fortune • Aug 2011) [42:00] "The Tragedy of General Motors" (Fortune • Feb 2006) [43:00] "AOL + TWX=??? Do the Math..." (Fortune • Feb 2000) [57:00] "BlackRock: The $4.3 Trillion Force" (Fortune • July 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Noreen Malone wrote "Cosby: The Women — An Unwanted Sisterhood," this week's cover story in New York. “We interviewed them all separately, and that was what was so striking: they all kept saying the same thing, down to the details of what they say Cosby did and how they processed it. Those echoes were what helped us know how to shape the story.” Thanks to our sponsor, TinyLetter. Show Notes: @noreenmalone Malone on Lognform [2:00] "Hannibal Buress Called Bill Cosby a Rapist During a Stand Up" (YouTube) [2:00] "Bill Cosby Raped me. Why Did It Take 30 years for People to Believe My Story?" (Barbara Bowman • Washington Post • Nov 2014) [12:00] "Bill Cosby, in Deposition, Said Drugs and Fame Helped Him Seduce Women" (Graham Bowley and Sydney Ember • The New York Times • July 2015) [15:00] "Read Her Story: Helen Gumpel" (New York • July 2015) [17:00] "NY Mag Lost Over 500,000 Page Views on Cosby Cover Story During DDoS Attack" (Sage Lazzaro • Observer • July 2014) [19:00] Audiogram: Victoria Valentino (@nymag Instagram) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ian Urbina, an investigative reporter for The New York Times, just published "The Outlaw Ocean," a four-part series on crime in international waters. “It is a tribe. It has its norms, its language, and its jealousies. I approached it almost as a foreign country that happened to be disparate, almost a nomadic or exiled population. And one that has extremely strict hierarchies—you know when you’re on a ship that the captain is God.” Thanks to TinyLetter and Casper for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @ian_urbina Urbina's New York Times archive [5:00] Review Longform Podcast in iTunes [17:00] "Stowaways and Crimes Aboard a Scofflaw Ship" (The New York Times • July 2015) [18:00] "'Sea Slaves': The Human Misery that Feeds Pets and Livestock" (The New York Times • July 2015) [19:00] "A Renegade Trawler, Hunted for 10,000 Miles by Vigilantes" (The New York Times • July 2012) [24:00] Lloyd's List [27:00] "Murder at Sea: Captured on Video, but Killers Go Free" (The New York Times • July 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Margaret Sullivan is the public editor of The New York Times. “Jill Abramson said to me early on, ‘What will happen here is you’ll stick around and eventually you’ll alienate everybody, and then no one will be talking to you, and you’ll have to leave.’ I’m about three-quarters of the way there.” Thanks to TinyLetter and Netflix for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @Sulliview [5:00] "One Year Later, 11 Questions for Dean Baquet"(The New York Times • May 2015) [6:00] The Public Editor's Journal [7:00] "AnonyWatch" (The New York Times) [9:00] "The Disconnect on Anonymous Sources" (The New York Times • Oct 2013) [10:00] "Trend-spotting, With Wink at Mr. Peanut" (The New York Times • March 2014) [11:00] "...Introducing The Monocle Meter" (The New York Times • Nov 2014) [11:00] "Women Who Dye Their Armpit Hair" (Andrew Adam Newman • The New York Times • July 2015) [14:00] "Tennis's Top Women Balance Body Image With Ambition" (Ben Rothenberg • The New York Times • July 2015) [16:00] "Double Fault on Article about Serena Williams and Body Image?" (The New York Times • July 2015) [21:00] "Post Ombudsman Will Be Replaced By Reader Representative" (Paul Farhi • The Washington Post • March 2013) [24:00] "The Conflict and the Coverage" (The New York Times • Nov 2014) [26:00] "Gender Questions Arise in Obituary of Rocket Scientist and Her Beef Stroganoff" (The New York Times • April 2013) [29:00] "What Might Leadership Change Mean for Times Readers?" (The New York Times • May 2014) [31:00] "Diversity, Strong Editing, and Moving Forward From the Shonda Rhimes Furor" (The New York Times • Sept 2014) [33:00] "Facts, Truth...and May the Best Man Win" (The New York Times • Sept 2012) [38:00] "Everything I Know About Journalism in 395 Words" (The New York Times • May 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tavi Gevinson is the founder and editor-in-chief of Rookie. "I just want our readers to know that they are already smart enough and cool enough." Thanks to our sponsor, TinyLetter. Show notes: @tavitulle Rookie thestylerookie.com [4:00] "Tavi Says" (Lizze Widdicombe • New Yorker • Sep 2010) [30:00] "A Teen Just Trying to Figure It Out" (TED • Mar 2012) [33:00] Rookie Yearbook Two (Drawn and Quarterly • Oct 2013) [40:00] Longform Podcast #75: George Saunders [43:00] "Super Heroine: An Interview with Lorde" (Rookie • Jan 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ross Andersen is the deputy editor of Aeon Magazine. “One of the things that’s been really refreshing in dealing with scientists—as opposed to say politicians or most business people—is that scientists are wonderfully candid, they’ll talk shit on their colleagues. They’re just firing on all cylinders all the time because they traffic in ideas, and that’s what’s important to them.” Thanks to TinyLetter and AlarmGrid for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @andersen Andersen on Longform [2:00] Aeon on Longorm [5:00] "Zapped" (Mary H.K. Choi • Aeon • Sept 2013) [5:00] "Awaiting Renewal" (Heather Havrilesky • Aeon• July 2013) [5:00] "Brigid Hains on the Launch of Aeon" (Interview by Catherine Balavage • Frost Magazine • Oct 2012) [11:00] "Are We Alone?" (Caleb Scharf • Aeon • June 2013) [14:00] "In The Beginning" (Aeon • May 2015) [15:00] Andersen’s Atlantic archive [20:00] "Gravitational-Wave Detectors Get Ready to Hunt for the Big Bang" (Ross Andersen • Scientific American • Oct 2013) [21:00] "Golden Eye" (Los Angeles Review of Books • Feb 2012) [23:00] The Elegant Universe (W. W. Norton & Company • 1999) [24:00] "Are We Disappointed with Space Exploration?” (The Atlantic • April 2011) [27:00] "The Vanishing Groves” (Aeon • Oct 2012) [29:00] "Talk Like an Egyptian” (Grayson Clary • Aeon • Dec 2014) [30:00] "Exodus" (Aeon • Sept 2014) [33:00] "Elon Musk: Triumph of His Will" (Tom Junod • Esquire • Nov 2012) [35:00] Hamish McKenzie [38:00] "Is Cosmology Having a Creative Crisis?" (Aeon • May 2015) [44:00] Orion Magazine [45:00] "Why Hawaiians are Protesting Construction of the World’s Second Largest Telescope" (Joseph Stromberg • Vox • May 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Anna Holmes, the founding editor of Jezebel, writes for The New York Times and is the editorial director of Fusion. “I think that Jezebel contributed to what I now call ‘outrage culture,’ but outrage culture has no sense of humor. We had a hell of a sense of humor, that's where it splits off. ... The fact that people who are incredibly intelligent and have interesting things to say aren't given the room to work out their arguments or thoughts because someone will take offense is depressing to me.” Thanks to TinyLetter and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: annaholmes.com @annaholmes [2:00] "Is Self-Loathing a Requirement for Writers?" (New York Times Book Review • June 2015) [8:00] Irin Carmon's Jezebel archive [12:00] "The Five Great Lies of Women's Magazines" (Anna Holmes and Moe Tkacik • Jezebel • Nov 2007) [19:00] "Linda Hirshman: I Didn't Call Anyone at Jezebel a Slut" (Emily Bazelon • Double X • May 2009) [24:00] "How to Be a Good Bad American Girl" (New Yorker • Mar 2014) [33:00] Longform Podcast #146: Rembert Browne [36:00] Alexis Madrigal's Fusion archive [40:00] "David Carr Confronts Vice" (Page One) [42:00] "I Sing Backup for Stevie Wonder” (Anna Holmes and Mona Panchal • Fusion • Jun 2015) [50:00] Longform Podcast #118: Emma Carmichael [55:00] The Book of Jezebel: An Illustrated Encyclopedia of Lady Things (Grand Central Publishing • 2013) [57:00] Hell Hath No Fury: Women's Letters from the End of the Affair (Carroll & Graf • 2002) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

James Verini, a freelance writer based out of Nairobi, won the 2015 National Magazine Award for Feature Writing. “That is probably the most alien, jarring thing about working in Africa: life is much cheaper. More to the point, death is very close to you. We're very removed from death here. Someone can die at 89 in their sleep here and it's called a tragedy. In Africa, I find that I'm often exposed to it. That's part of why I wanted to live there.” Thanks to TinyLetter and Trunk Club for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: jamesverini.com Verini on Longform [1:00] "Love and Ruin" (The Atavist Magazine • Feb 2014 [2:00] "Escape or Die: Capture by Somali Pirates" (New Yorker • Apr 2015) [5:00] "Hostage Support Programme" [9:00] @andrewmarantz [10:00] "Close Your Heart" (Slate • Sep 2014) [27:00] Homebody/Kabul (Tony Kushner) [31:00] Verini's New York Observer archive [32:00] "Will Success Spoil MySpace.com? " (Vanity Fair • Mar 2006) [33:00] Verini's Portfolio archive [34:00] "The Pirate Pose" (Tom Wolfe • Portfolio • Apr 2007) [35:00] "Putin's Power Grab" (Portfolio • Nov 2007) [40:00] Luke Mogelson's archive on Longform [46:00] "The War for Nigeria" (National Geographic • Nov 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rembert Browne is a staff writer at Grantland. “I'm ok with not being at my most refined online. It's happening in real time and some of that is therapeutic. I could write a lot this stuff privately, but I'd rather just hit publish and see what happens. It's a weird world. But I'm super deep in.” Thanks to this week's sponsors: TinyLetter, Trunk Club, and QuickBooks Self-Employed. Show Notes: @rembert REMBLR Browne on Longform [6:00] 500 Days Asunder [7:00] The Dartmouth, America's Oldest College Newspaper [10:00] "Stankoff 2011" [10:00] "Outkast Superfan Puts A Great Amount Of Time And Energy Into Thinking About Outkast Songs" (Dave Bry • The Awl • April 2011) [10:00] Hovafest 2011 [23:00] Browne's complete Grantland archive [23:00] "Rembert Explains the '80s: Double Dare" (Grantland • Jan 2012) [25:00] "Going Way Too Deep Down the Rabbit Hole With Nicki Minaj’s Recent Bar Mitzvah Appearance" (Grantland • Apr 2015) [28:00] "The Front Lines of Ferguson" (Grantland • Aug 2014) [36:00] "Barack and Me" (Grantland • Mar 2015) [41:00] "Glover's Lane: Q&A with Donald Glover" (Grantland • Jan 2015) [50:00] "ESPN Is Splitting With Bill Simmons, Who Offers an Uncharacteristic Word Count: Zero" (Richard Sandomir • The New York Times • May 2015) Please rate/review us on iTunes! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ashlee Vance covers technology for Bloomberg Businessweek and is the author of of Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future. “To be totally clear, I don’t cover them (apps). I like people who try to solve big problems. Wherever I go, I try to run away from the consumer stuff. I love writing about giant manufacturing plants that make stuff and employ tens of thousands of people.” Thanks to this week's sponsors: TinyLetter, Trunk Club, QuickBooks, and The School of Continuing Education at Columbia University. Show Notes: The Atavist Magazine Podcast: Episode 1 @valleyhack ashleevance.com Vance on Longform [15:00] Vance's Register archive [15:00] Vance's New York Times archive [16:00] "Data Analysts Captivated by R’s Power" (New York Times • Jan 2009) [19:00] The "Semi-Coherent Computing" Podcast [22:00] Longform Podcast #123: Nicholas Carlson [27:00] "This Tech Bubble Is Different" (Bloomberg Businessweek • Apr 2011) [31:00] "Larry Ellison Is Spending a Fortune to Save American Tennis" (Bloomberg Businessweek • Apr 2011) [31:00] "Multiplayer Game 'Eve Online' Cultivates a Most Devoted Following" (Bloomberg Businessweek • Apr 2013) [33:00] "The New Space Race: One Man's Mission to Build a Galactic Internet" (Bloomberg Businessweek • Jan 2015) [41:00] Marissa Mayer and the Fight to Save Yahoo! (Nicholas Carlson • Twelve • 2015) [41:00] "Yahoo Sues Ex-Staffer Claiming She Gave Secrets to Writer" (Joel Rosenblatt, Brian Womack • Bloomberg • May 2015) [46:00] "The Killing of Osama bin Laden" (Seymour M. Hersh • London Review of Books • May 2015) [54:00] "Elon Musk, a Biography by Ashlee Vance, Paints a Driven Portrait" (Dwight Garner • New York Times • May 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cheryl Strayed is the author of Wild and Tiny Beautiful Things. “There's a long history, of women especially, saying 'Well, I just got lucky.' I didn't just get lucky. I worked my fucking ass off. And then I got lucky. And if I hadn't worked my ass off, I wouldn't have gotten lucky. You have to do the work. You always have to do the work.” Thanks to TinyLetter, Trunk Club, and HP Matter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @CherylStrayed cherylstrayed.com The Complete Dear Sugar Archive Strayed on Longform [1:00] Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail (Knopf • 2012) [1:00] Tiny Beautiful Things: Advice on Love and Life from Dear Sugar (Vintage • 2012) [4:00] "Dear Sugar #44: How You Get Unstuck" (The Rumpus • July 2010) [9:00] "What Wild Has Wrought" (Nicholas Kristof • May 2015 ) [13:00] Torch (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt • 2006) [28:00] "Dear Sugar #48: Write Like a Motherfucker" (The Rumpus • Aug 2010) [28:00] "Write Like a Motherfucker" coffee mug [1:11:00] Into the Wild (Jon Krakauer • Random House • 1996) [1:13:00] "Oprah Talks to Cheryl Strayed" (O Magazine • July 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Masha Gessen has written for The New York Times, The London Review of Books, Vanity Fair, and others. Her book about Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, The Brothers: The Road to an American Tragedy, came out in April. “The moment she said it, it was obvious that I'd been created to write this story. I'd covered both wars in Chechnya. I'd covered a lot of terrorism. I'd studied terrorism. And I'd been a Russian-speaking immigrant in Boston, which actually is the most important qualification for writing this book. It didn't give me special knowledge, but it gave me a lot of questions that I knew to ask that other people wouldn't.” Thanks to TinyLetter, Trunk Club, and Casper, for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @mashagessen Gessen on Longform [1:00] The Brothers: The Road to an American Tragedy (Riverhead Books • 2015) [34:00] Longform Podcast #30: Keith Gessen [48:00] Blood Matters (Harcourt • 2008) [50:00] Words Will Break Cement: The Passion of Pussy Riot (Riverhead Books • 2014) [50:00] The Man Without a Face: The Unlikely Rise of Vladimir Putin (Riverhead Books • 2012) [50:00] Dead Again (Verso • 1997) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah Maslin Nir, a reporter for The New York Times, recently published an exposé of labor practices in the nail salons of New York. “The idea of a discount luxury is an oxymoron. And it’s an oxymoron for a reason: because someone is bearing the cost of that discount. In nail salons it’s always the person doing your nails, my investigation found. That has put a new lens on the world for me.” Thanks to TinyLetter, Trunk Club, and Aspiration for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @SarahMaslinNir sarahmaslinnir.flavors.me [1:00] "The Price of Nice Nails" (New York Times • May 2015) [1:00] "Perfect Nails, Poisoned Workers" (New York Times • May 2015) [12:00] "Saying Court Win Helps, Nail Salon Workers Rally" (New York Times • Apr 2012) [30:00] "Fighting a McDonald’s in Queens for the Right to Sit. And Sit. And Sit." (New York Times • Jan 2014) [37:00] Nocturnalist archive [38:00] "Alec Baldwin: Actor, Charmer, Fish Deboner" (New York Times • Jun 2011) [44:00] "City Agencies to Investigate Nail Salons, Mayor Says" (New York Times • May 2015) [47:00] "The Economics of New York’s Low Nail-Salon Prices" (James Surowiecki • New Yorker • May 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Stephen J. Dubner is the co-author, with Steven D. Levitt, of Freakonomics. Their latest book, When to Rob a Bank, came out last week. “I’ve abandoned more books than I’ve written, which I’m happy about. I’m very pro-quitting. We get preached this idea that if you quit something, if you don’t see something through to completion then you’re a loser, you’re a failure. I just think that’s a crazy way to look at things. But it’s also easy to overlook opportunity costs. Like, what could I be doing instead?” Thanks to this week's sponsors: TinyLetter, HP Matter, The Great Courses, and Aspiration. Show Notes: stephenjdubner.com Dubner on Longform [2:00] "The Desert Blues" (Joshua Hammer • The Atavist Magazine • May 2015) [3:00] When to Rob a Bank (with Steven D. Levitt • William Morrow • May 2015) [11:00] "When Numbers Solve a Mystery" (Steven Landsburg • The Wall Street Journal • Apr 2005) [13:00] "Do Parents Matter?" (with Steven D. Levitt • USA Today • May 2005) [13:00] "The Probability That a Real-Estate Agent Is Cheating You (and Other Riddles of Modern Life)" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2003) [16:00] "Steven the Good" (New York Times Magazine • Feb 1999) [16:00] Choosing My Religion: A Memoir of a Family Beyond Belief (Harper Perennial • 2006) [25:00] Freakonomics: The Movie (Magnolia Pictures • 2010) [42:00] Freakonomics Radio [43:00] "I'm Stephen Dubner, Co-Author of Freakonomics, and This Is How I Work" (Lifehacker • Sep 2014) [44:00] "Tell Me Something I Don’t Know: A New Freakonomics Radio Podcast" (Freakonomics • Oct 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

George Quraishi is the co-founder and editor of Howler. “We raised $69,001. And that paid for the first issue. I call it subsistence magazine making, because every issue pays for the next one.” Thanks to TinyLetter, Squarespace, The Great Courses, and Aspiration for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @quraishi georgequraishi.com [23:00] "Dispatches From the World Cup" (Luke O'Brien • Slate • Jun 2006) [23:00] "The Beast Of Brazil: A Savage Trip To The Dark Heart Of The World Cup" (Luke O'Brien • Howler • Nov 2014) [23:00] "The Miami Connection" (Robert Andrew Powell • Howler • Mar 2015) [24:00] This Love Is Not For Cowards (Robert Andrew Powell • Bloomsbury • 2012) [42:00] "I’m George Quraishi. Ask Me Anything." (Reddit • Nov 2014) [50:00] Quraishi on Fusion Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Andy Greenwald covers television for Grantland. “People are enthusiastic about TV. People want to read about it. They want to talk about it. They want to know more. They want to extend its presence in their lives. People used to talk about the water cooler show, but the internet is that water cooler now and people want to be part of the conversation.” Thanks to TinyLetter, Two5six Festival, The Great Courses, and Aspiration for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @andygreenwald Greenwald's Grantland archive [26:00] "The Bottom of the Glass: Legacy and the Last Season of ‘Mad Men’" (Grantland • Apr 2015) [28:00] "‘Hollywood Prospectus Podcast’: ‘Mad Men,’ ‘Game of Thrones,’ and ‘Batman v Superman’" (Grantland • Apr 2015) [30:00] "‘Empire’ Records: Fox’s New Music-Mogul Drama Embraces Its Soapy Heart" (Grantland • Jan 2015) [33:00] "Marco … YOLO! Why Netflix Spent $90 Million on Its (Terrible) New Series" (Grantland • Dec 2014) [40:00] Nothing Feels Good: Punk Rock, Teenagers, and EMO (St. Martin's Griffin • 2003) [41:00] Miss Misery (Simon Spotlight Entertainment • 2005) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Alexis Okeowo, a foreign correspondent, has written for The New Yorker, The New York Times Magazine and Businessweek. “Nigeria is a deeply sexist country. It can be difficult for people to take you seriously. But that also has its benefits, because it’s very easy to disarm your subjects. If I’m interviewing people who underestimate me, I can get them to open up because they somehow think that I’m naïve or I don’t know what I’m doing. So I don’t mind if some sexist general or banker thinks I’m this young little student who doesn’t know what she’s talking about. As long as you tell me what I want to know, it’s great.” Thanks to TinyLetter and MarketingProfs for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @alexis_ok alexisokeowo.com Okeowo on Longform [7:00] "Nigeria’s Stolen Girls" (New Yorker • Apr 2014) [19:00] "Inside the Vigilante Fight Against Boko Haram" (New York Times Magazine • Nov 2014) [31:00] "Freedom Fighter" (New Yorker • Sep 2014) [33:00] "Lagos Must Prosper" (Granta • Apr 2015) [51:00] "How the Lord’s Resistance Army Forced Captives to Become Couples" (FT Weekend Magazine • Jul 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rachel Syme has written for The New Yorker, The New York Times, Grantland, and more. “You have this sense that you’re bonding, but at the same time you're also going to betray them. Because if you hear this quote that they say or you see it in a mannerism, you write it in your notebook and you think ‘I got it.’” Thanks to TinyLetter, The Great Courses, MarketingProfs, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @rachsyme rachelsyme.com [4:00] "The Broad Strokes" (Grantland • Jan 2014) [4:00] "Azealia Banks on Why No One Really Wants to See Her Naked, Her Impure Thoughts About Barack Obama and Why She's 'Not Here to Be Your Idol'" (Billboard • Apr 2015) [5:00] "Id Girls" (Nick Paumgarten • New Yorker • Jun 2014) [7:00] TLC's Kickstarter [29:00] "Laura Marling Bids Goodbye to All That" (T Magazine • Mar 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Anna Sale is the host of Death, Sex & Money. “It's the result of listening, of feeling listened to, that people open up. I look like a crazy person when I do interviews, because sometimes someone will be describing something and I will close my eyes and try to picture what they’re telling me. And if I can’t picture the moment they’re describing I’ll just try to dig in a little bit more.” Thanks to TinyLetter, The Great Courses, MarketingProfs, and WealthFront for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @annasale annasale.com [3:00] The Atavist Magazine [3:00] "Operation Red Falcon" (Ronen Bergman • The Atavist Magazine • Apr 2015) [4:00] Another Round with Heben & Tracy [7:00] "This Senator Saved My Love Life" [10:00] "Brooklyn Left Me Broke and Tired" [15:00] "How to Be a Man With Bill Withers" [32:00] "Living Alone and Liking It. Sometimes." [32:00] "Cheating Happens." [38:00] "Ellen Burstyn's Lessons on Survival" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Scott Anderson is a war correspondent and novelist. He’s written for The New York Times Magazine, Harper’s, Vanity Fair, and more. “I really feel that what’s at the root of so many wars now, modern wars, unconventional wars, it really just comes down to a bunch of young guys with access to guns coming up with a pretext to rape and murder and pillage and steal from their neighbors.” Thanks to TinyLetter, MarketingProfs, and WealthFront for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: Anderson on Longform [5:00] The Man Who Tried to Save the World (Doubleday • 1999) [5:00] "Prisoner of War" (Harper’s • Jan 1997) [sub required] [5:00] War Zones (with Jon Lee Anderson • Dodd Mead • 1988) [14:00] "What Happened to Fred Cuny?" (New York Times Magazine • Feb 1996) [19:00] "The Hunger Warriors" (New York Times Magazine • Oct 2001) [29:00] "Besieged" (New York Times Magazine • Sep 2006) [34:00] "None Dare Call It a Conspiracy" (GQ • Sep 2009) [35:00] "Why 'GQ' Doesn't Want Russians To Read Its Story" (David Folkenflik • NPR • Sep 2009) [41:00] Lawrence in Arabia (Doubleday • 2013) [50:00] "Bringing It All Back Home" (New York Times Magazine • May 2006) [52:00] "Greg Ousley Is Sorry for Killing His Parents. Is That Enough?" (New York Times Magazine • Jul 2012) [55:00] "The Great Paper Caper" (Wells Tower • GQ • Oct 2014) [58:00] "Life in the Valley of Death” (New York Times Magazine • May 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dayna Tortorici is the editor of n+1. “You can't fetishize conflict so much. Because conflict does generate a lot of good work, but it also inhibits a lot of good work. I think people do their best work when they feel good. Or at least don't feel like shit. ... So I've tried to create a culture of mutual encouragement. Especially when you're not paying anybody, that's all you can really offer.” Thanks to TinyLetter and Wealthfront for sponsoring this week's show. Show Notes: @dtortorici nplusonemag.com [2:00] Longform Podcast #30: Keith Gessen [19:00] "Hands Up: A Roundtable on Police Brutality" (Cosme Del-Rosario Bell, Elias Rodriques, Doreen St. Felix, Dayna Tortorici • n+1 • Nov 2014) [19:00] No Regrets [25:00] "Occupy! Scenes from Occupied America" [39:00] What Was the Hipster? [51:00] Subscribe to n+1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Adam Platt is the restaurant critic for New York. “My job was described to me recently as ‘the last great job of the 20th century.’ I think there might be something to that.” Thanks to TinyLetter, Lynda, Casper, and Wealthfront for sponsoring this week's show.  Show Notes: @plattypants [1:00] Longform Podcast #43: Margalit Fox [12:00] "Apple of the Times" (New Yorker • Jan 1993) [sub required] [12:00] "Messing About" (New Yorker • Mar 1993) [sub required] [18:00] "The Apotheosis of Fresh" (New York • Dec 2009) [41:00] "Restaurants" A review of Le Cirque (Ruth Reichl • The New York Times • Oct 1993) [43:00] "Hi, I'm Adam Platt, Your Restaurant Critic" (New York • Dec 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Erik Larson is the author of several books, including The Devil in the White City. His latest is Dead Wake: The Last Crossing of the Lusitania. "I realized then and there, that afternoon, the thing that was going to make this interesting was the juxtaposition of light and dark, good and evil. This monument of civic good will versus this monument to the dark side of human nature. ... But that was really hard to pull off. And, frankly, on the eve of publication I was pretty sure my career was over." Thanks to TinyLetter, Wealthfront, andLove and Other Ways of Dying, the new collection from Michael Paterniti, for sponsoring this week's episode.  Show Notes: @exlarson eriklarsonbooks.com [1:00] Dead Wake: The Last Crossing of the Lusitania (Crown • Mar 2015) [1:00] Longform Podcast #93: Michael Paterniti [1:00] "Eating Jack Hooker's Cow" (Michael Paterniti • Esquire • Nov 1997) [4:00] Thunderstruck (Crown • 2004) [22:00] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Josh Dean has written for GQ, Fast Company, New York, and more. His latest piece, "The Life and Times of the Stopwatch Gang," was just published by The Atavist. “I sort of reject the whole idea of something being beneath me. There are obviously some stories I wouldn’t do or that I have no interest in, but this job is fun and should be fun. And I wouldn’t turn something down that seems like a fun thing for me to do just because maybe the story is not something that 10,000 people are going to tweet about. I don’t give a shit.” Thanks to TinyLetter, Squarespace, Lynda and HP Matter for sponsoring this week's episode. If you would like to support the show, please leave a review on iTunes. Show Notes: @joshdean66 joshdean.com Dean on Longform [2:00] "The Life and Times of the Stopwatch Gang" (The Atavist • Feb 2015) [10:00] "Federer as Religious Experience" (David Foster Wallace • The New York Times • Aug 2006) [29:00] Longform Podcast #126: Taffy Brodesser-Akner [29:00] "Please God Stop the Rain" (New York • Aug 2012) [31:00] "For $100,000, You Can Clone Your Dog" (Businessweek • Oct 2014) [32:00] "World Elephant Polo Championships" (Outside • Oct 2009) [38:00] "Powder Keg" (Outside • Jul 2007) [42:00] Generation Kill (Evan Wright • Putnam Adult • 2004) [44:00] Show Dog (It Books • 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mac McClelland has written for Mother Jones, The New York Times Magazine, Rolling Stone and others. Her book Irritable Hearts: A PTSD Love Story came out this week. “I would just suddenly start sobbing, which is not something I usually do. I felt like I needed to be drunk all the time, which is also not something I usually do. I was having nightmares and I was having flashbacks. I was terrified and confused and disoriented all the time. I was a completely different person, unrecognizable even to myself.” Thanks to TinyLetter and Alarm Grid for sponsoring this week's episode. If you would like to support the show, please leave a review on iTunes. Show Notes: @MacMcClelland mac-mcclelland.com McClelland on Longform [1:00] Longform Podcast #6: Mac McClelland [1:00] Irritable Hearts: A PTSD Love Story (Flatiron Books • 2015) [6:00] "Aftershocks: Welcome to Haiti's Reconstruction Hell" (Mother Jones • Jan 2011) [6:00] "Depression, Abuse, Suicide: Fishermen's Wives Face Post-Spill Trauma" (Mother Jones • Jun 2010) [11:00] "I Was a Warehouse Wage Slave" (Mother Jones • Mar 2012) [11:00] "For Us Surrender Is Out of the Question" (Mother Jones • Mar 2010) [16:00] "I’m Gonna Need You to Fight Me On This: How Violent Sex Helped Ease My PTSD" (GOOD • Jun 2011) [16:00] "Is PTSD Contagious?" (Mother Jones • Jan/Feb 2013) [32:00] "'It's War': Being a cop in post-Charlie Hebdo France" (Matter • Feb 2015) [43:00] "SugarDaddy.com: Old Dogs, New Tricks" (Mother Jones • Jan 2008) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rukmini Callimachi covers ISIS for The New York Times. Part 1 of this episode is available here. “Ever since I started in journalism, I feel like I'm perpetually winded. Like I'm just running as hard as I can to stay ahead of this train that's crashing. The caboose is falling off the back and I'm trying to run faster than the train to get to this very limited pool of amazing jobs. Once I got overseas I would say a prayer every night for the amazing life I was finally able to lead.” Thanks to TinyLetter and Lynda for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @rcallimachi Callimachi on Longform [11:00] "The Horror Before the Beheadings" (The New York Times • Oct 2014) [15:00] "The Dynamics Of Demanding Ransom From Nations" (Robert Siegel • NPR • Aug 2014) [15:00] "Tremor Mortis" (Time • Feb 2001) [23:00] The Daily Herald [30:00] "Katrina's Nameless Dead" (AP • Dec 2006) [36:00] "From Amateur to Ruthless Jihadist in France" (with Jim Yardley • New York Times • Jan 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rukmini Callimachi covers ISIS for The New York Times. “Nine out of 10 Americans said they were aware of James Foley's execution. That's a huge win for ISIS. That's what they want. I think they've realized that journalists are the crème de la crème as far as targets. And that's a really scary thing for our profession.” Thanks to TinyLetter and Lynda for sponsoring this week's episode. If you would like to support the show, please leave a review on iTunes. Show Notes: @rcallimachi Callimachi on Longform [4:00] "The Horror Before the Beheadings" (The New York Times • Oct 2014) [4:00] "From Amateur to Ruthless Jihadist in France" (The New York Times • Jan 2014) [7:00] "ISIS Declares Airstrike Killed a U.S. Hostage" (The New York Times • Feb 2015) [11:00] "With Proof From ISIS of Her Death, Family Honors Kayla Mueller" (The New York Times • Feb 2015) [12:00] "As U.S. Bombs Fall, British Hostage of ISIS Warns of Another Vietnam" (The New York Times • Sep 2014) [21:00] Callimachi's Pulitzer-nominated work for the AP [26:00] McMafia: A Journey Through the Global Criminal Underworld (Misha Glenny • Random House • 2008) [27:00] The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11 (Lawrence Wright • Alfred A. Knopf • 2006) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jack Shafer covers the media for Politico. “This is a true story, not a ‘Brian Williams story’: my first report card said ‘Jack is a very good student, but he has a tendency to start fights on the playground and bring them back into the classroom.’ That's been my career style — start a fight and bring it back to the classroom.” Thanks to TinyLetter and Lynda for sponsoring this week's episode. If you would like to support the show, please leave a review on iTunes. Show Notes: Show Notes: @jackshafer jackshafer.com Shafer on Longform [2:00] "Why Did Brian Williams Lie?" (Politico • Feb 2015) [2:00] "Brian Williams’ Slow Jam" (Politico • Feb 2015) [18:00] aol.com: How Steve Case Beat Bill Gates, Nailed the Netheads, and Made Millions in the War for the Web (Kara Swisher • Crown Business • 1998) [21:00] Shafer’s archive on Slate [34:00] "The Trial of Stephen Glass" (Reuters • Dec 2011) [37:00] "'I Would Have Loved To Piss on Your Shoes'" (Slate • Jun 2011) [37:00] "'I Would Have Loved To Piss on Your Shoes,' Part 2" (Slate • Jun 2011) [42:00] "The Making of a Suspect: The Case of Wen Ho Lee" (Matthew Purdy • The New York Times • Feb 2001) [46:00] "House to Probe White House Role in FCC’s ‘Net Neutrality’ Proposal" (Gautham Nagesh and Siobhan Hughes • The Wall Street Journal • Feb 2015) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Molly Crabapple is an artist and writer. She is a columnist for VICE and her work has appeared in The New York Times, The Paris Review and Vanity Fair. “As long as the marginalized communities I’m writing about don’t think I’m full of shit, that’s success to me.” Thanks to TinyLetter, Squarespace and Lynda for sponsoring this week's episode. If you would like to support the show, please leave a review on iTunes. Show Notes: @mollycrabapple mollycrabapple.com mollycrabapple.tumblr.com [1:00] "Love and Ruin" (James Verini • The Atavist • Feb 2014) [1:00] "Slaves of Happiness Island" (VICE • Aug 2014) [10:00] Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec [16:00] "My Arrest at Occupy Wall Street" (CNN • Sep 2012) [19:00] "It Don’t Gitmo Better Than This" (VICE • Jul 2013) [24:00] Let Us Now Praise Famous Men (James Agee and Walker Evans • Houghton Mifflin Harcourt • 1941) [25:00] Discordia: Six Nights in Crisis Athens (with Laurie Penny • Vintage Digital • 2012) [30:00] "Caught Between ISIS and Assad" (VICE • Jun 2014) [36:00] "I Confronted Donald Trump in Dubai" (VICE • Jun 2014) [39:00] "Special Prostitution Courts and the Myth of 'Rescuing' Sex Workers" (VICE • Jan 2015) [45:00] "Talking About My Abortion" (VICE • Apr 2013) [48:00] "The World of a Professional Naked Girl" (VICE • Oct 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Taffy Brodesser-Akner is a contributing writer at The New York Times Magazine and GQ. “My writing career was something that was always about to happen, just as soon as the baby falls asleep, just as soon as I finish watching this five-hour bout of As the World Turns, just as soon as... What do you do when you realize that you have not been doing the thing you were going to do? You're in your 30s. You get to work.” Thanks to TinyLetter and Lynda for sponsoring this week's episode. If you would like to support the show, please leave a review on iTunes. Show Notes: @taffyakner taffyakner.com Brodesser-Akner on Longform [20:00] "The Trials of a Chubby Yogi" (Self • Oct 2011) [26:00] "Who Controls Childbirth" (Self • Jul 2010) [31:00] "Who's Killing the Soaps?" (The Daily Beast • Dec 2009) [33:00] "Nicky Minaj: Cheeky Genius" (GQ • Nov 2014) [34:00] "2 Generations of Comedy Musicians Meet!: Weird Al Yankovic and The Lonely Island" (GQ • May 2013) [44:00] "Girls Fight Out" (Matter • Dec 2014) [46:00] "The Leftovers" (Matter • Sep 2014) [46:00] "Miss American Dream" (Matter • Jun 2014) [47:00] "The Chelsea Hotel Had Its Own Eloise" (New York Times Magazine • Jul 2013) [47:00] "Zosia Mamet Is Still Getting Used to Being Your New Best Friend" (New York Times Magazine • Jan 2013) [51:00] "The Tragedy of Britney Spears" (Vanessa Grigoriadis • Rolling Stone • Feb 2008) [51:00] "Don't Go Away Mad" (Grantland • Jun 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Anand Gopal has written for The Wall Street Journal, Harper’s and Foreign Policy. He’s the author of No Good Men Among the Living: America, the Taliban, and the War Through Afghan Eyes. “When I got to the Taliban, I got out my notebook and tried to ask the hard-hitting questions. ‘What are you fighting for? Why are you doing this? What’s happening with the civilians you’re killing?’ And of course you do that and you get boilerplate answers and icy stares. So I just started asking them questions about their childhood. ... People love to talk about themselves and he began to open up and very subtly something shifted and it no longer became about the war and America versus the Taliban, it became about him being an Afghan and his experience.” Thanks to TinyLetter and Lynda for sponsoring this week's episode. If you would like to support the show, please leave a review on iTunes. Show Notes: @Anand_Gopal_ anandgopal.com [9:00] Longform Podcast #1: Matthieu Aikins [12:00] "Ousted By Iran, Afghan Refugees Languish At Home" (Inter Press Service • Feb 2008) [18:00] "Kandahar’s Mystery Executions" (Harper’s • Sep 2014) [19:00] No Good Men Among the Living (Metropolitan Books • 2014) [28:00] "Welcome to Free Syria" (Harper’s • Aug 2012) [28:00] "Decoding the Syrian Propaganda War" (Harper’s • Aug 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Alex Blumberg is a former producer for This American Life and Planet Money. Last year he founded Gimlet Media, a podcast network, and hosts its first show, StartUp. “When someone starts talking about something difficult, when they get unexpectedly emotional, your normal human reaction is to sort of comfort and steer away. To say, ‘Oh I’m sorry, let’s move on.’ What you need to do, if you want good tape, is to say, ‘Talk more about how you’re feeling right now.’ It feels like a horrible question to ask. It feels like you're going against your every instinct as a decent human being to go toward the pain that this person is experiencing.” Thanks to TinyLetter, Lynda and Alarm Grid for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @abexlumberg gimletmedia.com Blumberg’s archive on This American Life [2:00] Longform on Reply All #7: This Website Is For Sale [2:00] Longform Podcast #23: Starlee Kine [4:00] "Company Eight" (Matthew Pearl • The Atavist • Jan 2015) [20:00] "91: 33 Million Dollar Box" (This American Life • Jan 1998) [20:00] "115: First DayFirst Day" (This American Life • Nov 1998) [27:00] "236: Stock Making Sense" (This American Life • Apr 2003) [30:00] "355: The Giant Pool of Money" (This American Life • May 2008) [34:00] "365: The Day The Market Died" (This American Life • Oct 2008) [36:00] StartUp Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nicholas Carlson writes for Business Insider. His book Marissa Mayer and the Fight to Save Yahoo! came out this week. “To me people are what’s really interesting. Marissa Mayer is a once in a lifetime subject. She’s full of contradictions. … There are a million business stories, but if you don’t have that character at the center then you’re lost.” Thanks to TinyLetter, Lynda and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @nichcarlson Carlson on Longform [6:00] Longform Podcast #81: Kevin Roose [13:00] "What Happened When Marissa Mayer Tried to Be Steve Jobs" (New York Times Magazine • Dec 2014) [16:00] "Viacom Takes Google, YouTube Fight to Court" (InternetNews.com • Mar 2007) [18:00] Disney War (James B. Stewart • Simon & Schuster • 2005) [19:00] Longform Podcast #19: Choire Sicha [23:00] Longform Podcast #88: Sam Biddle [23:00] Carlson’s archive on Valleywag [33:00] "Google Gave Employees This Smartwatch As A Holiday Gift, And Some Of Them Are Whining About It" (Business Insider • Dec 2014) [34:00] Marissa Mayer and the Fight to Save Yahoo! (Twelve • 2015) [38:00] Googled: The End of the World As We Know It (Ken Auletta • Penguin Press • 2008) [48:00] "The Story Behind Why AOL CEO Tim Armstrong Fired An Employee In Front Of 1,000 Coworkers" (Business Insider • Nov 2013) [48:00] "This Man Was Supposed To Become Steve Jobs 2.0 — Here’s What Happened Instead" (Business Insider • Nov 2014) [54:00] "The Untold Story Of Larry Page's Incredible Comeback" (Business Insider • Apr 2014) [1:01:00] "Hacks Into Hackers" (The New York Times • Sep 2010) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dan P. Lee is a contributing writer at New York. "I don't believe in answers. That's what compels me to write all of these stories. None of them ends nicely, none of them ends neatly." Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @Dan_P_Lee Lee on Longform Lee's New York archive [13:30] "Who Killed Ellen Andros?" (Philadelphia Magazine • Oct 2006) [22:45] "Travis the Menace" (New York • Jan 2011) [45:00] "Paw Paw & Lady Love" (New York • Jun 2011) [48:45] "4:52 on Christmas Morning" (New York • Dec 2012) [49:15] "The Camera's Cusp" (New York • Sep 2013) [49:15] "Where It Hurts" (New York • Dec 2013) [51:30] "The Good Seed" (GQ • Jun 2011) [55:30] "'I Just Want to Feel Everything'" (New York • Jun 2012) [1:04:00] "Welcome to the Real Space Age" (New York • May 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Evan Wright, a two-time National Magazine Award winner, is the author of Generation Kill. "When people were killed, civilians especially, I realized I was the only person there who would write it down. I was frantic about getting names, and in the book there are a few Arabic names, some of the victims. Not that anyone cares. But I thought, 'At least somewhere there's a record of this.'" Thanks to our sponsor, TinyLetter. Show notes: @evanscribe Wright on Longform [3:45] Generation Kill (2004) [10:00] "Scenes From My Life in Porn" (L.A. Weekly • Mar 2000) [12:15] A.J. Liebling’s New Yorker archive [14:15] "Big Red Son" (David Foster Wallace • Consider the Lobster • 1998) [pdf] [16:30] Every Love Story Is a Ghost Story: A Life of David Foster Wallace (D.T. Max • 2012) [18:15] Hella Nation: Looking for Happy Meals in Kandahar, Rocking the Side Pipe,Wingnut's War Against the Gap, and Other Adventures with the Totally Lost Tribes of America (2009) [28:00] "The Killer Elite" (Rolling Stone • Jul 2003) [30:30] Longform Podcast #64: Gay Talese [33:30] Wikipedia: Christopher Isherwhood [39:30] Karl Taro Greenfield on Longform [48:30] "Pat Dollard's War on Hollywood" (Vanity Fair • Mar 2007) [57:00] American Desperado: My Life—From Mafia Soldier to Cocaine Cowboy to Secret Government Asset (with Jon Roberts • 2011) [1:00:00] How to Get Away with Murder in America: Drug Lords, Dirty Pols, Obsessed Cops, and the Quiet Man Who Became the CIA's Master Killer (Kindle Single • 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hanna Rosin is a senior editor at The Atlantic and a founder and editor at DoubleX. “I often think of reporting as dating, or even speed dating. You’re looking for someone where there’s a spark there between you and them. Sometimes that happens right away and sometimes it takes forever. ... You have to determine if they're reflective, friendly, open. It could be love at first sight and they're still all wrong, which is really heartbreaking.” Thanks to TinyLetter, Bonobos and The Los Angeles Times' Bookshelf Newsletter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @HannaRosin hannarosin.com Rosin on Longform [1:00] "Murder by Craigslist" (The Atlantic • Aug 2013) [1:00] "Hello, My Name Is Stephen Glass, and I’m Sorry" (The New Republic • Nov 2014) [7:00] The End of Men: And the Rise of Women (Riverhead Books • 2012) [18:00] The Executioner's Song (Norman Mailer • Little, Brown • 1979) [18:00] "The Evil Empire: The Scoop on Ben & Jerry's Crunchy Capitalism" (The New Republic • Sep 1995) [23:00] "The New Republic: An Appreciation" (Ta-Nehisi Coates • The Atlantic • Dec 2014) [25:00] "Who Shot Johnny?" (Debra Dickerson • The New Republic • 1996) [pdf] [31:00] "A Boy's Life" (The Atlantic • Nov 2008) [38:00] "The Case Against Breast-Feeding" (The Atlantic • Apr 2009) [41:00] "The Vanishing Male Worker: How America Fell Behind" (Binyamin Appelbaum • The New York Times • Dec 2014) [42:00] "The End of Men" (The Atlantic • Jul 2010) [43:00] "By Noon They'd Both Be in Heaven" (New York • Oct 2014) [46:00] "Why Kids Sext" (The Atlantic • Oct 2014) [49:00] "The Missing Men" (with Allison Benedikt • Slate • Dec 2014) [49:00] Sabrina Rubin Erdely on DoubleX Gabfest (with June Thomas and Katy Waldman • Slate • Nov 2014) [49:00] "Blame Rolling Stone" (Slate • Dec 2014) [49:00] "DoubleX Gabfest: The Aftermath of Rolling Stone Edition" (with Noreen Malone and June Thomas • Slate • Dec 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Meghan Daum's latest book of essays is The Unspeakable. “As writers we think, well there has to be closure, there has to be a beginning middle end, the character has to go through a change. And then in life we're supposed to have some sort of arc or aha moment, as if the experience isn't legitimate unless we get something out of it. That's so culturally constructed, as they say. It's so artificial.” Thanks to TinyLetter, Scribd, and Oscar for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @meghan_daum meghandaum.com Daum on Longform [1:00] The Unspeakable (Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2014) [1:00] "My Misspent Youth" (New Yorker • Oct 1999) [18:00] "All About My Mother" (The Guardian • Nov 2014) [35:00] Daum’s archive of Los Angeles Times columns [38:00] My Misspent Youth (Open City Books • 2001) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Katie J.M. Baker is a reporter for BuzzFeed. “I went to Steubenville a year after the sexual assault to cover their first big football game of the season and I was face-to-face with these people who I had been writing about without knowing much about them. From far away it seems like, do these details matter? Do we care if these people’s lives get messed up when the narrative is so strong, when Steubenville now stands for more awareness around rape culture? But when you’re there, of course it matters. After that piece I realized I didn’t want to blog anymore and I wanted to just focus on reporting.” Thanks to Casper, Scribd, and TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @katiejmbaker katiejmbaker.com Baker on Longform [4:00] "Forever Young" (BuzzFeed • Sep 2014) [13:00] "In West Virginia, Playing Hooky Can Get You Locked Up" (BuzzFeed • Oct 2014) [20:00] "Supervisor Wants Motive Spelled Out at S.F.'s Antiabortion Clinics" (San Francisco Chronicle • Jun 2011) [20:00] "Teacher Leaves Elite LA School After Alleged Student Affair, Inappropriate Relationships" (BuzzFeed • Jul 2014) [21:00] "Head Of Elite L.A. School Resigns After Sex Misconduct Scandal" (BuzzFeed • Nov 2014) [22:00] "My Weekend In America's So-Called 'Rape Capital'" (Jezebel • May 2012) [24:00] "Even The Most Progressive University In North America Doesn’t Know How To Handle Sexual Consent" (BuzzFeed • Jun 2014) [26:00] "Rape Victims Don’t Trust The Fixers Colleges Hire To Help Them" (BuzzFeed • Apr 2014) [28:00] "Meet the College Women Who Are Starting a Revolution Against Campus Sexual Assault" (Vanessa Grigoriadis • New York • Sep 2014) [30:00] "Rape Case Unfolds on Web and Splits City" (Juliet Macur and Nate Schweber • The New York Times • Dec 2012) [30:00] "Steubenville's Legacy: How a Rape Case in Ohio Could Change History" (Jezebel • Jan 2013) [31:00] "'A Town Destroyed for What Two People Did': Dispatch from Steubenville" (Jezebel • Sep 2013) [32:00] "Why Is No One Talking About the Second Steubenville Rape Case?" (Newsweek • Nov 2013) [33:00] "The Accused" (BuzzFeed • Nov 2014) [42:00] "The Fort of Young Saplings" (Vanessa Veselka • The Atavist • Nov 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Alec Wilkinson is a staff writer for The New Yorker. “My hero was Joseph Mitchell, that was how you did reporting. There was nothing conniving about it or cunning — you just simply kept returning and kept returning.” Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: Wilkinson on Longform [2:00] "The Protest Singer" (New Yorker • Apr 2006) [6:00] Midnights: A Year With the Welfleet Police (Random House • 1982) [9:00] My Mentor (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt • 2002) [9:00] Across the River and into the Trees (Ernest Hemingway • 1950) [24:00] Moonshine: A Life in Pursuit of White Liquor (Knopf • 1985) [25:00] Big Sugar (Knopf • 1989) [27:00] The Happiest Man in the World (Random House • 2007) [34:00] "New York Is Killing Me" (New Yorker • Aug 2010) [42:00] "Sam and Other Reflections on Being a Father" (Esquire • Jun 2000) [47:00] The Ice Balloon (Knopf • 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Emma Carmichael, a former editor at Deadspin and The Hairpin, is the editor in chief of Jezebel. "Online feminism has more and more rules lately. There are only so many things you can say. And while our opinions are getting more constrained online, personal feminism and face-to-face conversations are looser and more complicated and don't go by any rules. ... The ideal with Jezebel is getting to a point where you can say, 'This is what I think, so who gives a fuck.'" Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @emmacargo emmacarmichael.com Carmichael on Longform Jezebel Deadspin The Hairpin [1:00] Laura Olin’s TinyLetter [5:00] "Brett Favre Has His Hands Full With Himself" (Deadspin • Oct 2010) [9:00] "Letter From A Young Female Sportswriter: Ines Sainz, You Make Me Want To Stop Trying" (Deadspin • Sep 2010) [31:00] "Saartjie Baartman: The Original Booty Queen" (Cleuci de Oliveira • Jezebel • Nov 2014) [35:00] "The Right to a Sexual Narrative: On the Lena Dunham Abuse Claims" (Jia Tolentino • Jezebel • Nov 2014) [43:00] "Do-it-All UConn Star Breanna Stewart is Kevin Durant of Women's Game" (Sports Illustrated • Mar 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Reihan Salam is the executive editor of National Review. "I’m incredibly curious about other people. I’m curious about what they think of as the constraints operating on their lives. Why do they think what they think? If I weren’t doing this job, I’d want to be a high school guidance counselor." Thanks to TinyLetter, Bonobos, and Cards Against Humanity’s Ten Days or Whatever of Kwanzaa for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @reihan reihansalam.com [11:00] "The White Ghetto" (Kevin D. Williamson • National Review • Jan 2014) [18:00] "Is Free Content Ruining Journalism?" (The VICE Podcast • Sep 2013) [30:00] "Don't Send Your Kid to the Ivy League" (William Deresiewicz • New Republic • Jul 2014) [33:00] Longform Podcast #35: Jay Caspian Kang [34:00] "How the Suburbs Got Poor" (Slate • Sep 2014) [38:00] Longform Podcast #12: Mina Kimes [42:00] "Jason Schwartzman and Alex Ross Perry Discuss Their New Film, 'Listen Up Philip'" (The VICE Podcast Show • Oct 2014) [57:00] "In Praise of Amazon" (Slate • Oct 2014) [57:00] Grand New Party (with Ross Douthat • Doubleday • 2008) [101:00] "Is It Racist to Date Only People of Your Own Race?" (Slate • Apr 2014) [103:00] "Errol Morris on His New Movie, 'The Unknown Known'" (The VICE Podcast Show • Apr 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jake Halpern, a contributor to This American Life, has written for The New Yorker and The New York Times Magazine. His latest book is Bad Paper: Chasing Debt from Wall Street to the Underworld. "I test out my stories on my kids. You should be able to tell any story, now matter how complicated, to a seven-year-old in a way that they understand. If you can't, that probably means that either a) you're telling the story wrong or b) it's not really a story." Thanks to TinyLetter and Bonobos for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: jakehalpern.com Halpern on Longform [2:00] "The Devil Underground" (Nadja Drost • The Atavist • Oct 2014) [2:00] Longform App Exclusive: "The Trials of White Boy Rick" (Evan Hughes • The Atavist • Sep 2014) [3:00] Braving Home (Houghton Mifflin • 2003) [4:00] "Jungle Boy" (The New Republic • 2006) [14:00] Fame Junkies (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt • 2006) [14:00] Bad Paper (Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2014) [17:00] "Selling the Beat" (New Yorker • Apr 2004) [21:00] "Pay Up" (New Yorker • Oct 2004) [43:00] "Paper Boys" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2014) [43:00] "Magic Words" (This American Life • Aug 2014) [43:00] "Bad Paper, The Debtor Game" (Fusion • Aug 2014) [45:00] The Dormia Trilogy [46:00] "The Secret of the Temple" (The New Yorker • Apr 2012) [51:00] "Switched at Birth" (This American Life • Jul 2008) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jen Percy is the author of Demon Camp: A Soldier's Exorcism. "As is the nature of obsession, you just start gathering materials, hoarding documents and taking notes in a way that’s totally chaotic and overwhelming. You don’t even care yet because you’re so excited by what you’re gathering. If you start trying to make a narrative out of it too soon it will be false or it will fall apart." Thanks to TinyLetter and Dear Thief, the new novel by Samantha Harvey, for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @JenPercy Percy on Longform [1:00] "My Terrifying Night With Afghanistan's Only Female Warlord" (The New Republic • Oct 2014) [1:00] Demon Camp: A Soldier's Exorcism (Scribner • 2014) [19:00] "Voice in the Night" An excerpt from Demon Camp (Harper’s • Nov 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jessica Pressler writes for New York, Elle and GQ. "I really like hustlers, stories about someone who comes out of nowhere and tries to do it for themselves. Those people are just easy to like. Even when they're sort of terrible, they're easy to like." Thanks to TinyLetter and Warby Parker for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @jpressler Pressler on Longform [3:00] jessicapressler.com [11:00] "Philadelphia Story: The Next Borough" (The New York Times • Aug 2005) [17:00] Longform Podcast #77: Dan P. Lee [24:00] "It’s Too Bad. And I Don’t Mean It’s Too Bad Like ‘Screw ’Em.’" (New York • Jul 2011) [29:00] "The Dumbest Person in Your Building Is Passing Out Keys to Your Front Door!" (New York • Sep 2014) [29:00] "Let’s, Like, Demolish Laundry" (New York • May 2014) [30:00] "20/30 Vision" (New York • Aug 2013) [39:00] "The GQ Cover Story: Adam Driver" (GQ • Sep 2014) [41:00] "Adam Levine Doesn't Care If You Like Him (But He'd Really Prefer That You Did)" (GQ • Jul 2014) [41:00] "The Full Tatum" (GQ • Mar 2011) [43:00] "American Marvel" (Edith Zimmerman • GQ • Jul 2011) [49:00] "A Holly Golightly for the Stripper-Embezzlement Age" (New York • Sep 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wendy MacNaughton is a graphic journalist and the co-author of Pen & Ink: Tattoos and the Stories Behind Them. "We mostly hear stories from big personalities who already have a spotlight on them. I think that everybody carries stories that are just as profound as the ones we hear from celebrities or whoever. I’m interested in the stories of people who don’t usually get to tell them. I think those are sometimes the most interesting." Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @wendymac wendymacnaughton.com wendymacnaughton.tumblr.com [1:00] Pen & Ink (with Isaac Fitzgerald • Bloomsbury • Oct 2014) [4:00] Pop-Up Magazine [14:00] Meanwhile in San Francisco (Chronicle Books • Mar 2014) [16:00] "The Making of Longshot" [20:00] "Meanwhile, The San Francisco Public Library" (The Rumpus • May 2011) [31:00] Lost Cat (with Caroline Paul • Bloomsbury • Apr 2013) [37:00] "The Price of Black Ambition" (Roxane Gay • VQR • Oct 2014) [40:00] "Universal Laws of Safe Distance" [45:00] "Meanwhile, Mission Bartenders" (The Rumpus • Mar 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Don Van Natta Jr., a three-time Pulitzer Prize winner, writes for ESPN and is the author of several books, including Wonder Girl. "The nature of the kind of work I do as an investigative reporter, every story you do is going to get attacked and the tires are going to get kicked. It’s going to get scrutinized down to every phrase and down to every letter. You have to have multiple sources for key facts on this type of story. We set out to get that and we got it." Thanks to TinyLetter and Bonobos for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @DVNJr Van Natta Jr. on Longform [3:00] "The Trials of White Boy Rick" (Evan Hughes • The Atavist • Sep 2014) [3:00] The Matthew Power Literary Reporting Award [4:00] "His Game, His Rules" (ESPN • Mar 2013) [4:00] "Rice Case: Purposeful Misdirection by Team, Scant Investigation by NFL" (with Kevin Van Valkenburg • ESPN • Sep 2014) [11:00] "Sources: Rice Told NFL He Hit Fiancee" (ESPN • Sep 2014) [14:00] "Ravens Respond to OTL Story" (ESPN • Sep 2014) [14:00] Steve Bisciotti responds to Van Natta's report (Baltimore Ravens) [15:00] "Here's Every Edit ESPN Has Made To Its OTL Ray Rice-Ravens Report" (Timothy Burke • Deadspin • Sep 2014) [17:00] "Van Natta Defends Ray Rice Report" (ESPN • Sep 2014) [24:00] League of Denial (Mark Fainaru-Wada and Steve Fainaru • Crown Archetype • 2013) [24:00] "League of Denial: The NFL's Concussion Crisis" (Frontline • 2013) [24:00] "N.F.L. Pressure Said to Lead ESPN to Quit Film Project" (James Andrew Miller and Ken Belson • The New York Times • Aug 2013) [25:00] "The Match Maker" (ESPN • Aug 2013) [28:00] "Jerry Football" (ESPN • Aug 2014) [43:00] "Questions Linger About Why N.F.L. Destroyed Patriots’ Tapes" (Greg Bishop • The New York Times • Dec 2007) [47:00] Wonder Girl (Little, Brown and Company • 2011) [58:00] "Comfort Inn Hero" (The Miami Herald • Aug 1992) [105:00] "The Whistleblower's Last Stand" (ESPN • Mar 2014) [107:00] "The Half-Time Hero" (Jeff Maysh • Howler • Oct 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Today we are re-airing our February 2013 interivew with our friend Matt Power, who died earlier this year while on assignment in Uganda, to help raise money for Matthew Power Literary Reporting Award. We have also reprinted Matt's classic 2005 article, "The Lost Buddhas of Bamiyan," which is available online for the first time. Founded by Matt's friends and family, the annual award will support promising writers early in their careers with a stipend of $12,500 to bring forward an unreported story of importance in some overlooked corner of the world. Please donate today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Anne Helen Petersen writes for BuzzFeed. Her book Scandals of Classic Hollywood is out this week. "I was obsessed with Entertainment Weekly from the very first issue and I obsessively catalogued it. I made a database on my Apple IIe where I put in the title of the magazine and the number and whether it was a little 'e' or a big 'E' on the cover and the different topics and then I gave it a grade. You know how in Entertainment Weekly they give everything a grade, so I’d be like 'Oscar’s Issue: A minus.' But I learned how to obsessively track Hollywood industry even though I grew up in a very small town in northern Idaho." Thanks to TinyLetter, Bonobos, and EA SPORTS FIFA 15 for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @annehelen annehelenpetersen.com Petersen on Longform [1:00] "The Down and Dirty History of TMZ" (BuzzFeed • Jul 2014) [1:00] Scandals of Classic Hollywood (Plume • Sep 2014) [3:00] EA SPORTS FIFA 15 Readers' Poll Results [5:00] "The Gossip Industry" (Petersen's Dissertation • 2011) [pdf] [5:00] "Celebrity Gossip, Academic Style" [6:00] "The Trials of Entertainment Weekly" (The Awl • Jun 2014 ) [14:00] Longform Podcast #50: Edith Zimmerman [28:00] Lainey Gossip [32:00] "Jennifer Lawrence and the History of Cool Girls" (BuzzFeed • Feb 2014) [37:00] "Talking to Anne Helen Petersen About Leaving Academia for BuzzFeed" (The Hairpin • Mar 2014) [43:00] "Angelina Jolie’s Perfect Game" (BuzzFeed • May 2014) [45:00] "Confidentially Yours" (The Believer • May 2014) [50:00] "At Least One Real, Authentic Moment of Humanity With Cameron Diaz" (Alex Pappademas • Grantland • Jul 2014) [53:00] "How I Rebuilt Tinder and Discovered the Shameful Secret of Attraction" (BuzzFeed • Sep 2014) [100:00] "Take Time" (John Herrman • The Awl • Jun 2014 ) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris Hayes hosts All In with Chris Hayes on MSNBC and is an editor-at-large for The Nation. "The instability was so intense and the anguish and frustration were so intense that there wasn’t a ton of time to think through, 'Well, what is my role in this?' Mostly it was: wake up in the morning after two or three hours of sleep and start going to stuff, talking to people, and keep doing that until the show happens." Thanks to GoDaddy for sponsoring this week's episode. Apply for the TinyLetter Writers Residency by September 26. And nominate your favorite soccer article for a chance to win a free Xbox One and EA SPORTS FIFA 15. Show Notes: @chrislhayes [1:55] Evan on The Rachel Maddow Show (MSNBC • Apr 2014) [7:30] "Al-Jazeera runs from teargas in Ferguson" (YouTube) [10:30] "St Louis police officer shoots Kajieme Powell [Graphic]" (YouTube) [26:00] Hayes's archive in The Chicago Reader [28:00] "Trapped" (The Chicago Reader • Dec 2002) [34:00] Hayes's archive in The Nation [39:30] "The NAFTA Superhighway" (The Nation • Aug 2007) [40:30] Hayes's first appearance on TV (C-SPAN • Sep 2007) [47:30] "Chris Hayes On 'Heroes' Controversy: 'I Fell Short At A Crucial Moment'" (Jack Mirkinson • The Huffington Post • May 2012) [59:00] Twilight of the Elites: America After Meritocracy (Crown • 2012) [100:30] "The Real Story Behind Chicago’s Crime Numbers" (MSNBC • Jun 2014) [100:30] "A Town's Only Hospital Closes" (MSNBC • Jul 2014) [100:30] "The (Too) Slow March of Desegregation" (MSNBC • Jun 2014) [101:00] "Years of Living Dangerously" (Showtime) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Buzz Bissinger, a Pulitzer Prize winner, has written for Vanity Fair, The New York Times Magazine, GQ and more. He is the author of several books, including Friday Night Lights. "It’s quiet. And I really felt I needed that quiet. People say, 'Well anger was your edge, and agitation was your edge, and that’s going to hurt your writing.' I don’t know, maybe. It may be that in order to live a happier life you become a shittier writer. I don't know. But I just couldn't live in that fashion anymore, I just couldn't. It would've destroyed my marriage. It was destroying me." Thanks to this week's sponsors. The Longform App is now available. Apply for the TinyLetter Writers Residency by September 26. And nominate your favorite soccer article for a chance to win a free Xbox One and EA SPORTS FIFA 15. Show Notes: buzzbissinger.com Bissinger on Longform [7:00] Friday Night Lights (Da Capo Press • 1990) [7:30] "Pursuit Of A Big Blue Chipper" (Sports Illustrated • Sep 1968) [12:00] "Disorder in the Court" series (The Philadelphia Inquirer • with Daniel R. Biddle and Fredric N. Tulsky • 1987) [unavailable online] [17:45] Father’s Day (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt • 2012) [18:00] Three Nights in August (Mariner • 2005) [20:30] A Prayer for the City (Vintage • 1998) [28:30] Shooting Stars (Penguin • 2009) [31:30] "Who Is Nick Foles?" (Philadelphia Magazine • Jun 2014) [39:00] "The Plane That Fell From the Sky" (St. Paul Pioneer Press • Apr 1979) [pdf] [44:00] "My Gucci Addiction" (GQ • Apr 2013) [1:01:00] "Darkness in August" (Vanity Fair • Feb 2014) [1:02:00] Wherever I Wind Up (R.A. Dickey • Blue Rider Press • 2012) [1:20:00] "Shattered Glass" (Vanity Fair • Sep 1998) [1:20:00] "The Runaway Doctor" (Vanity Fair • Jan 2011) [1:20:30] After Friday Night Lights (Byliner • 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sean Wilsey has written for The New Yorker, The London Review of Books, The New York Times, and McSweeney’s Quarterly, where he is an editor-at-large. His latest book is More Curious. "I’m actually apparently a fairly competent person at getting things done, making deadlines and all these things. But the Wilsey you might get in the piece about NASA is the guy who eats a ton of oysters and drinks a lot of beer before getting on the vomit comet." Thanks to TinyLetter and GoDaddy for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @seanwilsey [1:20] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Emily Bazelon is a staff writer at the New York Times Magazine and the author of Sticks and Stones. "There’s nothing purely, or maybe even at all, altruistic about this exchange. It’s transactional in the Janet Malcolm classical sense, but also in the emotional sense. There is a way in which I’m super open. I take in these experiences. They keep me up at night. They really get inside me. But then, I'm also using them to craft whatever I’m working on." Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @emilybazelon emilybazelon.com Bazelon on Longform [17:30] "What Really Happened to Phoebe Prince?" (Slate • July 2010) [25:45] Sticks and Stones: Defeating the Culture of Bullying and Rediscovering the Power of Character and Empathy (2013 • Random House) [27:15] "The Price of a Stolen Childhood" (New York Times Magazine • Jan 2013) [37:45] Double X [41:00] Political Gabfest [45:00] Bazelon on Colbert Report (Mar 2012) [46:00] Bazelon’s television appearances [47:45] "The Dawn of the Post-Clinic Abortion" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2014) [57:30] "A Long Day’s Journey Into Haircut" (Walter Kirn • New York Times • Apr 2003) [58:00] "Review: Redeeming the Dream, on Marriage Equality by David Boies and Theodore Olson" (Washington Post • Jun 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Zach Baron is a staff writer for GQ. "People love to put celebrity stuff or culture stuff lower on the hierarchy than, say, a serial killer story. I think they're all the same story. If you crack the human, you crack the human." Thanks to TinyLetter and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes:   @xzachbaronx Baron's personal site Baron on Longform [7:00] "Kanye West: A Brand-New Ye" (GQ • Jul 2014) [17:30] "Steve McQueen: Auteur of the Year 2013" (GQ • Dec 2013) [22:50] "The Secret Double Life of Mister Cee" (GQ • Feb 2014) [39:10] Baron's archive on Grantland [45:00] "Fear and Self-Loathing in Las Vegas" (The Daily • Oct 2011) [45:40] "50 Cent Is My Life Coach" (GQ • Jun 2014) [52:00] "Cliven Bundy's War" (GQ • Jul 2014) [52:20] "Why Are They (Armed) 'Patriots' in Nevada But (Unarmed) Rioters in Ferguson?" (GQ • Aug 2014)   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ben Anderson is a war journalist and documentary filmmaker. His latest book, The Interpreters, is available free from Vice. "You're surrounded by people who are so poor. Maybe their family members have already been killed. And they still can't leave. So compared to that, I can't really take the idea that I've suffered and that I need stop and go to a spa for a few days. I can't take that idea that seriously. Compared to them, it feels like I am leading an almost privileged existence." Thanks to TinyLetter and GoDaddy for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @BenJohnAnderson Ben Anderson on Vice [12:00] The Slaves of Dubai (Vice • Apr 2009) [15:30] "My Holidays in the Axis of Evil" (BBC • Feb 2003) [20:43] No Worse Enemy (Oneworld Publications • Oct 2012) [21:15] This is What Winning Looks Like (Vice • May 2013) [23:20] The Battle for Marjah (HBO • Feb 2010) [33:16] Vice on HBO [40:00] James Wood's New Yorker archive [42:40] Afghan Interpreters (Vice • Jul 2014) [42:40] The Interpreters (Vice • Aug 2014) [43:00] King Leopold's Ghost (Adam Hochschild • 1998) [54:30] Longform Podcast #1: Matthieu Aikins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lewis Lapham, formerly the editor of Harper's, is the founder of Lapham's Quarterly. "The best part of my job was to come across a manuscript. You never knew what would show up. ... I always had the sense of opening a present, hoping to be both delighted and surprised. Often I was disappointed. But when I wasn't, it was a lot of fun. And word got around that I was that kind of an editor, that I was willing to try anything if you could make it interesting." Thanks to TinyLetter and GoDaddy for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: Lapham's Quarterly Lapham on Longform [2:30] With the Beatles (Melville House • Oct 2005) [17:00] "Who is Lyndon B. Johnson?" (The Saturday Evening Post • Sep 1965) [unavailable online] [21:00] "Monk: High Priest of Jazz" (The Saturday Evening Post • Apr 1964) [unavailable online] [29:00] "Alaksa: Politicians and Natives, Money and Oil" (Harper's • May 1970) [paywall] [31:00] "The Coming Wounds of Wall Street" (Harper's • May 1971) [paywall] [43:30] "Harper's Lapham: Good-bye, Long Tale" (Christopher Swan • The Christian Science Monitor • July 1985) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Adam Higginbotham has written for Businessweek, Wired and The New Yorker. His latest story is A Thousand Pounds of Dynamite, for The Atavist. "There's always a narrative in a crime story. Something has always gone wrong. These guys are always in prison, because they all fucked something up or trusted the wrong person. They always get caught in the end. Because if they hadn't, you wouldn't be reading about it." Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @HigginbothamA adamhigginbotham.com Higginbotham on Longform [2:13] A Thousand Pounds of Dynamite (The Atavist • Jul 2014) [26:16] The Face [28:14] Richard Branson Turns 50 (Independent on Sunday Review • Jul 2000) [32:51] The Inkjet Counterfeiter (Wired (UK) • Oct 2009) [40:48] The Gangster Prince of Liberia (Details • Nov 2007) [41:30] The Last Days of the Lipstick Killer (GQ • May 2008) [41:39] The Green River Killer (Sunday Telegraph • May 2004) [pdf] [46:18] Life at the Top (The New Yorker • Feb 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brin-Jonathan Butler has written for SB Nation, ESPN, and The New York Times. His new book is A Cuban Boxer’s Journey. "He smiled at me and just to make small talk, I said, 'You know, you’ve got this gold grill on your teeth. Where did you get that from?' And he said, 'Oh, I just melted my gold medals into my mouth.' And I thought, 'I think I’ve got a story here.'" Thanks to TinyLetter, WW Norton & Company and Open Road Integrated Media for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @brincio [4:45] Pitching Around Fidel (S.L. Price • 1998) [7:45] Old Man and the Sea (Ernest Hemingway • 1952) [12:00] "Mike Tyson Jail Interview" (YouTube) [19:30] Granma [29:30] "Héroes for Sale" (SB Nation • June 2014) [35:45] Split Decision: The Story of Guillermo Rigondeaux (Documentary directed by Butler) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rachel Kaadzi Ghansah has written for The Believer, The LA Review of Books, Transition and The Paris Review. "If He Hollers Let Him Go," her essay on Dave Chappelle, was a 2014 National Magazine Award finalist. "So the stakes are high. I’m not just writing this to write. I’m writing because I think there’s something I need to say. And there’s something that needs to be said. ... What I hope is that a young kid or an older person will see that you have choices, that you don't have to accept what people hand to you. That you have control." Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: the-rachelkaadzighansah.tumblr.com [:30] "If He Hollers Let Him Go" (The Believer • Oct 2013) [15:15] Room Full of Mirrors: A Biography of Jimi Hendrix (Charles R. Cross • Hyperion • 2005) [17:10] "What Lured Hemingway to Ketchum?" (Hunter S. Thompson • The National Observer • May 1964) [Google Books] [19:45] "Don’t Let the Green Grass Fool You: The Roots Are One of the Most Respected Hip-Hop Acts in the World; Why Can’t They Leave the Sad Stuff Alone?" (Capital New York • Dec 2011) [24:40] "He Shall Overcome: Jay-Z Is $450 M Beyond the Marcy Projects. Where Does He Go From Here?" (New York Observer • Dec 2010) [27:16] "The B-Boy’s Guide to the Galaxy: A Review of the RZA’s Tao of Wu" (Transitions • Sep 2012) [27:52] "When the Lights Shut Off: Kendrick Lamar and the Decline of the Black Blues Narrative" (Los Angeles Review of Books • Jan 2013) [29:37] "We a Baddd People" (VQR • Jun 2014) [35:15] "Stakes Is High—and Black Lives Are Worthy of Elaboration" (Kameelah Janan Rasheed • Gawker • Jun 2014) [44:25] Miles: The Autobiography (Miles Davis with Quincy Troupe • Simon and Schuster • 1989) [48:20] "How Sweet It Is To Be Loved By You: The BeyHive" (NPR • Mar 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A look back at some of our favorite moments from the first 99. Thanks to our sponsors, TinyLetter and Squarespace. Show Notes: [4:45] #3: David Grann [7:00] #4: Jon Mooallem [10:10] #7: Ta-Nehisi Coates [14:15] #9: Jeanne Marie Laskas [12:32] #10: Chris Jones [18:00] #22: Charles Duhigg [20:00] #29: Matthew Power [23:45] #37: Ann Friedman [26:30] #39: Natasha Vargas-Cooper [28:00] #43: Margalit Fox [31:20] #57: Eli Saslow [34:50] #62: Malcolm Gladwell [39:00] #64: Gay Talese [43:35] #65: Elizabeth Wurtzel [46:10] #67: Evan Wright [49:30] #75: George Saunders [52:10] #77: Dan P. Lee [57:00] #78: Ariel Levy [102:30] #84: Sabrina Rubin Erdely [104:20] #88: Sam Biddle [106:30] #91: Michael Lewis [110:30] #95: Wesley Morris Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

John Heilemann is the managing editor of Bloomberg Politics and the co-author of Game Change and Double Down. "If you're a writer, and you're not an asshole, you want the maximum number of people to read your stuff. There's nothing wrong with that. There's no great glory in cultivating some niche audience. I do this work because I believe in what I'm doing. I'm not trying to compromise my principles or my standards to get a larger audience. But once I've written the thing of which I feel confident and proud, which I feel is ethically and journalistically sound, I then want the maximum number of people to read it." Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @jheil [9:15] "Congress's Watch Dog: The General Accounting Office" (Washington Monthly • Nov 1989) [23:15] "Can the BBC Be Saved?" (Wired • Mar 1994) [24:00] Heilemann's New Yorker archive [33:00] "The Networker" (New Yorker • July 1997) (sub req'd) [34:30] The Valley [35:00] The Reckoning (David Halberstam • 1986) [37:00] "The Truth, The Whole Truth, and Nothing But the Truth" (Wired • Nov 2000) [41:30] The Pride Before the Fall (2001) [44:00] "The Power Grid" archive [44:45] "The Choir Boy" (New York • May 2005) [48:00] What It Takes (Richard Ben Cramer • 1992) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

George Saunders has written for The New Yorker and GQ. His latest collection of short stories is Tenth of December. "Maybe you would understand your artistry to be: put me anywhere. I'll find human beings, I'll find human interest, I'll find literature. And I guess you could argue the weirder, or maybe the less explored the place, the better." Thanks to TinyLetter and Audible for sponsoring this episode.  Show notes: georgesaundersbooks.com Saunders on Longform [5:00] Tenth of December (Random House • 2013) [8:45] "George Saunders Has Written the Best Book You'll Read This Year" (Joel Lovell • New York Times Magazine • Jan 2013) [22:45] CivilWarLand in Bad Decline (Random House • 1996) [29:30] "The Great Divider" (GQ • Dec 2006) [30:45] "The New Mecca" (GQ • Nov 2005) [33:00] "The Incredible Buddha Boy" (GQ • Jun 2006) [38:45] George Saunders's Advice to Graduates (May 2013) [47:00] "Tent City, U.S.A." (GQ • Sep 2009) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah Nicole Prickett is the founding editor of Adult. "I'll admit to being resistant to the 'by women for women' label that Adult had before because I saw it as being just 'by women,' period. That’s way more feminist than making something for women, which is very prescriptive and often comes in various shades of pink." Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: Pre-order: Adult #2 Prickett's TinyLetter @snpsnpsnp snpsnpsnp.com [8:40] Fashion [2:30] "How to Make Love in America" (Hazlitt • Jul 2013) [11:20] "The Ultimate Humiliation" (n+1 • May 2014) [17:15] The Cut [17:15] Bon [22:30] "Like Every Time My Pelvis Touches A Sink Brim" (Fiona Duncan • Adule • June 2014) [24:30] "Florida” (Joe Coscarelli • Adult • March 2014) [34:12] "House On Fire” (Larissa Pham • Adult • May 2014) [35:10] "Ass Man” (Brad Phillips • Adult • March 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ta-Nehisi Coates is a senior editor at The Atlantic. His latest cover story is "The Case for Reparations." "The writer hopes for change, but writers can't assume that their work is going to cause change." Thanks to TinyLetter andI Am Zlatan, the international bestseller published by Random House, for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @tanehisicoates Coates's blog for The Atlantic Coates on Longform "The Case for Reparations" (The Atlantic • May 2014) [4:20] "Longform Podcast #7: Ta-Nehisi Coates" [4:35] "Fear of a Black President" (The Atlantic • Aug 2012) [7:05] "The Case for Reparations: An Intellectual Autopsy" (The Atlantic • May 2014) [8:05] "For Asians, School Tests Are Vital Steppingstones" (Kyle Spencer • New York Times • Oct 2012) [10:08] Crabgrass Frontier: The Suburbanization of the United States (Kenneth Jacks • Oxford University Press • 1985) [16:10] "The Story of the Contract Buyers League" (James Alan McPherson • The Atlantic • Apr 1972) [pdf] [18:53] "Zlatan’s Revenge!" An excerpt from I Am Zlatan (Zlatan Ibrahimovic • Grantland • May 2014) [19:18] Zlatan Ibrahimovic scores "maybe the best goal ever scored" [YouTube] [40:40] "Ta-Nehisi Coates Disagrees With ‘Jonathan Chait,’ and So Do I" (Jonathan Chait • New York • Mar 2014) [43:15] Elizabeth Kolbert on Longform [51:07] "Snow Fall: The Avalanche at Tunnel Creek " (John Branch • New York Times • Dec 2012) [58:23] Nobody Knows My Name (James Baldwin • Dial Press • 1961) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nathaniel Rich writes for Rolling Stone, Harper's and the New York Times Magazine. His latest novel is Odds Against Tomorrow. "I'm drawn to obsession. I think I'm an obsessive in a way, probably most writers are. It's an obsessive act to sit at a desk by yourself." Thanks to TinyLetter and EA SPORTS FIFA WORLD CUP for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @NathanielRich nathanielrich.com Rich on Longform [15:45] "Diving Deep Into Danger" (New York Review of Books • Feb 2013) [21:45] Odds Against Tomorrow (Farrar, Straus & Giroux • Feb 2013) [23:30] Longform Podcast #64: Gay Talese [23:45] The Bridge (Gay Talese • Harper & Row • 1964) [26:15] "The Neverending Nightmare of Amanda Knox" (Rolling Stone • Jun 2011) [26:30] "Tyler Hadley's Killer Party" (Rolling Stone • Dec 2013) [35:30] "How to Spend 47 Hours on a Train and Not Go Crazy" (New York Times Magazine • Feb 2013) [40:00] "For Whom the Cell Tolls" (Harper's • May 2010) [43:45] "The Man Who Saves You From Yourself" (Harper's • Nov 2013) [44:30] San Francisco Noir (Little Bookroom • Mar 2005) [45:15] David Sullivan speaks at the Commonwealth Club (Jul 2010) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wesley Morris, a Pulitzer Prize winner, covers film at Grantland. "That's what writing about race and popular culture is for me: it's crime reporting. It's not me looking for an agenda when I go to the movies ... but I feel a moral responsibility to report a crime being committed. That's what I'm forced to do over and over again." Thanks to this week's sponsors, Warby Parker and TinyLetter. Show notes: @wesley_morris Morris's Grantland archive [1:15] Reba modeling Warby Parker [37:15] "The Cultural Crater of 12 Years a Slave" (Grantland • Oct 2013) [39:15] "Strange Fruitvale" (Grantland • Jul 2013) [39:15] Longform Podcast #89: Alice Gregory [40:00] Longform Podcast #7: Ta-Nehisi Coates [40:00] "The Case for Reparations" (Ta-Nehisi Coates • The Atlantic • May 2014) [55:30] "The Unstoppable Scarlett Johansson" (Anthony Lane • New Yorker • Mar 2014) [47:30] Molly Lambert's Grantland archive Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Gary Smith retired last month after more than 30 years of writing for Sports Illustrated. "We were on the Santa Monica Freeway, Ali's driving 70 miles an hour and his eyes are drifting asleep—the medication for Parkinson's would do that to him. I'm thinking, 'Oh, crap.' We're weaving between lanes, cars are honking, and I'm wondering in the passenger seat, 'Should I grab the wheel from the greatest champ of all-time?' The writer in me wants to let it go, let the crash happen just so I get a scene for the story. But the human in me was just getting scared as hell." Thanks to TinyLetter and EA SPORTS FIFA WORLD CUP for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: Smith on Longform [18:30] "Crime and Punishment" (Sports Illustrated • Jun 1996) [39:00] "The Secret Life of Mia Hamm" (Sports Illustrated • Sep 2003) [40:00] "Someone to Lean On" (Sports Illustrated • Dec 1996) [41:00] "As Time Runs Out" (Sports Illustrated • Jan 1993) [42:15] "Tyson the Timid, Tyson the Terrible" (Sports Illustrated • Mar 1988) [47:45] "Damned Yankee" (Sports Illustrated • Oct 1997) [48:30] "Ali and His Entourage" (Sports Illustrated • Apr 1988) [52:00] "Coming Into Focus" (Sports Illustrated • Jul 2006) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michael Paterniti, a correspondent for GQ, has also written for Esquire, Rolling Stone and Outside. His latest book is The Telling Room. "I want to see it, whatever it is. If it's war, if it's suffering, if it's complete, unbridled elation, I just want to see what that looks like—I want to smell it, I want to taste it, I want to think about it, I want to be caught up in it." Thanks to this week's sponsors: TinyLetter and Hari Kunzru'sTwice Upon a Time, the new title from and Atavist Books. Show notes: @MikePaterniti Paterniti on Longform [4:30] Driving Mr. Albert (Dial Press • Jun 2001) [5:00] The Telling Room (Dial Press • Jul 2013) [9:30] "He Might Be A Prophet. That, Or the Greatest Chef in the World." (Esquire • Jul 2001) [13:00] "XXXXL" (GQ • Mar 2005) [42:45] "The Man Who Sailed His House" (GQ • Oct 2011) [46:00] Paterniti's Outside archive [47:30] "Driving Mr. Albert" (Harper's • Oct 1997) [sub. req'd] [48:15] "The 15 Year Layover" (GQ • Sep 2003) [48:15] "The Suicide Catcher" (GQ • May 2010) [50:00] "How to Drake It In America" (GQ • Jun 2013) [50:00] "On the Cover: Javier Bardem" (GQ • Oct 2012) [50:45] "The Luckiest Village in the World" (GQ • May 2013) [51:15] "The House That Thurman Munson Built" (Esquire • Sep 1999) [56:00] "The Long Fall of One-Eleven Heavy" (Esquire • Jul 2000) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Leslie Jamison has written for The Believer, Harper's and The New York Times. Her latest book is The Empathy Exams. "I sort of love imagining a small army of 22-year-old men who are just like, 'Fuck that book, I wish it was never published.'" Thanks to TinyLetter and Harry's for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @lsjamison lesliejamison.com Jamison on Longform [9:00] The Empathy Exams (Graywolf Press • Apr 2014) [12:15] "La Plata Perdida" (A Public Space • Nov 2009) [sub. req'd] [13:15] "Grand Unified Theory of Female Pain" (Virginia Quarterly Review • Apr 2014) [17:00] "Is It Harder to Write About Happiness Than Its Opposite?" (New York Times • Mar 2014) [18:15] The Gin Closet: A Novel (Free Press • Feb 2010) [27:30] Autobiography of a Face (Lucy Grealy • Harper Perennial • Mar 2003) [43:00] "The Devil's Bait" (Harper's • Sep 2013) [49:00] "The Empathy Exams" (The Believer • Feb 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michael Lewis has written for The New Republic, Vanity Fair and The New York Times Magazine. His latest book is Flash Boys. "When you're telling a story, you're essentially playing the cards you're dealt. ... Sometimes the hand is very easy to play. Sometimes the hand is difficult to play. At the end, I just try to think, 'Is there anything I would have done differently?' 'Is there any trick I missed?' If I don't have the feeling that I missed something big, I feel happy about the book." Thanks to TinyLetter and Audible for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: michaellewiswrites.com Lewis on Longform [2:30] Lewis's speech at UCSF Benioff Children's Hospital (2011) [2:45] Flash Boys (W.W. Norton & Co. • Mar 2014) [3:45] "Did Goldman Sachs Overstep in Criminally Charging Its Ex-Programmer?" (Vanity Fair • Aug 2013) [6:45] The Big Short (W.W. Norton & Co. • Mar 2010) [7:15] Moneyball (W.W. Norton & Co. • May 2003) [7:45] Liar's Poker (W.W. Norton & Co. • Oct 1989) [25:15] Lewis's New Republic archive [31:45] The New New Thing: A Silicon Valley Story (W.W. Norton & Co. • Oct 1999) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Susan Dominus is a staff writer at the New York Times Magazine. "A lot of reporting is really just hanging around and not going home until something interesting happens." Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @susandominus Dominus on Longform [7:00] Longform Podcast #31: Emily Nussbaum [9:45] "Santa's Little Helper" (New York Times • Dec 1999) [10:00] "The Allergy Prison" (New York Times Magazine • Jun 2001) [11:00] "Shabana is Late for School" (New York Times Magazine • Sep 2002) [16:00] "Everybody Has a Mother" (New York Times Magazine • Feb 2003) [17:30] "What Happened to the Girls in Le Roy?" (New York Times Magazine • Mar 2012) [25:15] "Eve Ensler Wants to Save the World" (New York Times Magazine • Feb 2002) [30:15] "He Could Be Cranky, But He Was Her Neighbor" (New York Times • Mar 2008) [32:00] "Susan Dominus is the Best" (Hamilton Nolan • Gawker • Jul 2009) [33:15] Longform Podcast #87: Amanda Hess [33:46] "It's All Sweetness and Light, Until the Snowballs Fly" (New York Times • Feb 2010) [35:00] "Could Conjoined Twins Share a Mind?" (New York Times Magazine • May 2011) [35:15] Longform Podcast #28: Joel Lovell (live) [43:00] "The Woman Who Took the Fall for JPMorgan Chase" (New York Times Magazine • Oct 2012) [49:00] "Daniel Radcliffe's Next Trick is to Make Harry Potter Disappear" (New York Times Magazine • Oct 2013) [53:30] "Why Isn't Maggie Cheung a Hollywood Star?" (New York Times • Nov 2004) [54:00] "Dangerous When Interested" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2007) [58:00] "Life in the Age of Old, Old Age" (New York Times Magazine • Feb 2004) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Alice Gregory has written for n+1, GQ, The New York Times and Harper's. "If you don't have a real story with a beginning, middle and an end, you owe it to the reader to kind of serve as their chaperone." Thanks to TinyLetter and EA SPORTS FIFA WORLD CUP for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @alicegregory Gregory on Longform alicegregory.tumblr.com [4:30] "Sad as Hell" (n+1 • Nov 2010) [9:45] "On the Market" (n+1 • Mar 2012) [11:45] "Mavericks" (n+1 • Oct 2013) [21:30] "Ryan McGinley: Naked and Famous" (GQ • Apr 2014) [32:30] "Professional Doppelgänger (Dealmaker)" (Mark Singer • New Yorker • Jan 1982) [33:30] "Found Money" (Harper's • May 2014) [sub. req'd] [40:30] "Interview: Renata Adler" (The Believer • Dec 2012) [44:00] "Obscurity is the Lure" (New York Times • Mar 2014) [49:30] Longform Podcast #34: Molly Young Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sam Biddle writes for Valleywag. "It's a lot of overgrown, entitled manchildren pulling price tags out of the ether and passing them around. Considering Silicon Valley worthy of contempt is the first premise that we work from." Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @samfbiddle [6:15] Valleywag's coverage of Sean Parker [6:45] "'The Uber of Private Jets' is a Real Thing" (Valleywag • Apr 2013) [6:55] "What is Auto-Tune, and Why Does Jay-Z Want It Dead?" (PSFK • Jun 2009) [18:15] "Look Who’s Gawking: Inside Nick Denton’s Phony, Hypocritical Class War Against Tech Workers" (Paul Carr • Pando Daily • Dec 2013) [19:45] "Meet the Google Founder's Mistress" (Valleywag • Aug 2013) [34:15] "Indentured Servitude, Money Laundering, and Piles of Money: The Crazy Secrets of Internet Cam Girls [NSFW]" (Gizmodo • Sep 2012) [41:45] "Google Employee: 'You Can't Afford It? You Can Leave!' (Update: Hoax) (Valleywag • Dec 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanda Hess, a staff writer at Slate, has also written for Pacific Standard, GOOD, and ESPN the Magazine. "I ended up not loving the fact that I was getting a bunch of calls from MSNBC and CNN, who mostly wanted to talk about people threatening to rape and kill me and only a tiny bit about the story I'd written. ... It was tiring, and it seemed dismissive of me as a person. It's a strange thing to become somebody else's story, especially when the story is: You're a victim of an insane online harasser. That's who you are." Thanks to this week's sponsors, TinyLetter and Oyster Books. Show notes: @amandahess Hess on Longform sexwithamandahess.com [3:15] "Point Taken" (Washington City Paper • Mar 2008) [9:30] The Sexist blog [18:30] "What Women Want: Porn and the Frontier of Female Sexuality" (Good • Nov 2011) [31:30] "Why Women Aren't Welcome on the Internet" (Pacific Standard • Jan 2014) [46:45] "Just Cheer, Baby" (ESPN The Magazine • Apr 2014) [47:00] "You Can Only Hope to Contain Them" (ESPN The Magazine • Jul 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mattathias Schwartz has written for The New Yorker, The New York Times Magazine and Harper's. "I figure it's like digging through a wall with a spoon: if you spend enough time at it eventually you get to the other side." Thanks to TinyLetter and Audible for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: mattathiasschwartz.com Schwartz on Longform [4:00] "A Massacre in Jamaica" (New Yorker • Dec 2011) [20:15] The Philadelphia Independent [25:00] "The Hold-'Em Holdup" (New York Times Magazine • Jun 2006) [26:45] "The Trolls Among Us" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2008) [26:45] "The Church of Warren Buffett" (Harper's • Jan 2010) [35:00] "The Golden Touch" (Harper's • Dec 2008) [36:00] The Big Con (David Maurer • Bobbs-Merrill Company • 1940) [36:30] "The Still Lives of Wells Tower" (Paul Maliszewski • The Brooklyn Rail • Feb 2011) [37:00] "Petroleum, Louisiana" [37:00] "How Fast Can He Cook a Chicken?" (London Review of Books • Oct 2011) [49:00] "Camp Justice" (Kindle Single • Nov 2012) [50:45] "A Mission Gone Wrong" (New Yorker • Jan 2014) [53:15] "The Truth of El Mozote" (Mark Danner • New Yorker • Dec 1993) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tavi Gevinson is the founder and editor-in-chief of Rookie. "I just want our readers to know that they are already smart enough and cool enough." Thanks to this week's sponsors, TinyLetter and Atavist Books. Show notes: @tavitulle Rookie thestylerookie.com [4:15] "Tavi Says" (Lizze Widdicombe • New Yorker • Sep 2010) [30:30] "A Teen Just Trying to Figure It Out" (TED • Mar 2012) [33:30] Rookie Yearbook Two (Drawn and Quarterly • Oct 2013) [39:45] Longform Podcast #75: George Saunders [43:15] "Super Heroine: An Interview with Lorde" (Rookie • Jan 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sabrina Rubin Erdely, a contributing editor at Rolling Stone, has also written for GQ, Philadelphia and SELF.  "I think that people are, by their nature, good and want to act rightly. So I'm very interested in why people do these things that result in really bad actions. My lack of outrage actually is one of the things that probably helps me in my reporting because I really am propelled by this pure curiosity. ... I just want to know, 'Where did that come from?'" Thanks to TinyLetter and PillPack for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @SabrinaRErdely sabrinaerdely.com Erdely on Longform [3:00] Longform Podcast #77: Dan P. Lee [3:00] Longform Podcast #24: Stephen Rodrick [12:45] "The Entrapment of Jesse Snodgrass" (Rolling Stone • Feb 2014) [17:15] "Kiki Kannibal: The Girl Who Played With Fire" (Rolling Stone • Apr 2011) [22:45] "The Rape of Petty Officer Blumer" (Rolling Stone • Feb 2013) [27:45] "One Town's War on Gay Teens" (Rolling Stone • Feb 2012) [34:45] "The Poorest Rich Kids in the World" (Rolling Stone • Aug 2013) [35:00] "About a Girl: Coy Mathis' Fight to Change Gender" (Rolling Stone • Oct 2013) [37:15] "The Catholic Church's Secret Sex-Crime Files" (Rolling Stone • Sep 2011) [51:45] "I'll Be Damned" (Philadelphia • Jun 1999) [pdf] [51:45] "Who Is the Boy in the Box?" (Philadelphia • Nov 2003) [pdf] [52:00] "Intimate Intimidation" (Philadelphia • Apr 1996) [pdf] [53:45] "Why I Finally Left" (Good Housekeeping • Mar 2011) [pdf] [1:00:15] "The Fabulous Fraudulent Life of Jocelyn and Ed" (Rolling Stone • Mar 2008) [pdf] [1:01:15] "The Girl Who Conned the Ivy League" (Rolling Stone • Jun 2009) [pdf] [1:02:30] "The Creep With the Golden Tongue" (GQ • Aug 2003) [pdf] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

"The kind of stories I've gotten to do have involved fulfilling my childhood fantasies of having an adventurous life. Even though I don't make a ton of money doing it, I've never felt like I was missing out on something." Our friend Matt Power, a freelance journalist, died this week while on assignment in Uganda. Matt recorded this episode of the Longform Podcast with Evan Ratliff in February 2013. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lawrence Wright, author of The Looming Tower and Going Clear, is a staff writer for The New Yorker. "If I had the chance to interview Osama Bin Laden, should I kill him? It’s a fair question. Suppose we’re having dinner — should I stab him with the bread knife? Do I have a moral obligation to kill him? Or do I have a moral obligation as a reporter to simply hear him? … It’s sometimes difficult to take away the judgements that you naturally have. But when you do that, when you strip yourself and you’re morally naked, it’s sometimes surprising how infectious the relationship can become." Thanks to TinyLetter and Pillpack.com for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: lawrencewright.com @lawrence_wright Wright on Longform [6:00] Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief (Knopf • Jan 2013) [6:00] The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11 (Knopf • Aug 2006) [7:45] The Siege (Twentieth Century Fox • 1998) [14:45] "The Apostate" (The New Yorker • Feb 2011) [30:15] My Trip to Al-Qaeda (Jigsaw Productions • Apr 2010) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pamela Colloff and Mimi Swartz are executive editors of Texas Monthly. Colloff: "That sense of loss, that sense of normal life turning on a dime is something that, in a very different way, I’ve experienced. And I carry that with me into some of the more difficult stories." Swartz: "Here’s this great [public interest] story that nobody’s ever told. Now how can I write it so the maximum number of people want to read it? I try to make the homework part as interesting and compelling as possible." Thanks to TinyLetter and PillPack for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @pamelacolloff Colloff on Longform [2:15] Longform Podcast #16: Pamela Colloff [10:00] "A Bend in the River" (Texas Monthly • Jul 2002) [10:00] "A Question of Mercy" (Texas Monthly • Mar 2014) [10:30] "The Innocent Man, Part One" (Texas Monthly • Nov 2012) [10:30] "The Innocent Man, Part Two" (Texas Monthly • Dec 2012) [14:45] "Innocence Found" (Texas Monthly • Jan 2011) Show notes: @mimiswartz Swartz on Longform [25:30] "Mothers, Sisters, Daughters, Wives" (Texas Monthly • Aug 2012) [33:30] "The Ring and I" (Texas Monthly • Jan 2014) [35:15] "Sexual Misconduct in the Military--and Why Kirsten Gillibrand Is Pushing Reform to the Top of Her Agenda" (Vogue • Feb 2014) [35:45] "Failure is Not an Option" (Texas Monthly • Oct 2013) [41:00] Power Failure: The Inside Story of the Collapse of Enron (Crown Business • Mar 2004) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jennifer Senior is a contributing editor at New York and the author of All Joy and No Fun: The Paradox of Modern Parenthood. "I've had moments in motherhood that have been close to something like religious. But I don't think social scientists say things like, "How many numinous moments have you had?" They don't do that, so you have to figure out what to do. I was suddenly turning to other texts to try and explain all of this." Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @JenSeniorNY Senior on Longform [3:15] All Joy and No Fun: The Paradox of Modern Parenthood (Ecco • Jan 2014) [6:30] "All Joy and No Fun" (New York • Jul 2010) [8:30] "Alone Together" (New York • Nov 2008) [39:00] "Hollywood on the Potomac" (New York Times • Dec 1993) [39:30] "The Language of the Deaf Evolves to Reflect New Sensibilities" (New York Times • Jan 1994) [44:15] "Hill Climbing" (New York • Apr 2001) [44:45] "Sorry, Your Time is Not Up" (New York • Aug 2001) [45:00] "Some Dark Thoughts on Happiness" (New York • Jul 2006) [46:00] "Can't Get No Satisfaction" (New York • Oct 2007) [46:15] "Recession Culture" (New York • May 2009) [46:15] "Why You Never Truly Leave High School" (New York • Jan 2013) [56:45] "In Conversation: Antonin Scalia" (New York • Oct 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kevin Roose, a writer at New York, has contributed to The New York Times, GQ and Esquire. His latest book is Young Money: Inside the Hidden World of Wall Street's Post-Crash Recruits. "Google will give you away. I feel like one undercover book is all you get these days before the jig is up. ... Unless, like Barbara Ehrenreich, you legally change your name. I was not quite prepared to go that far." Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @kevinroose kevinroose.com Roose on Longform [3:15] The Unlikely Disciple (Grand Central Publishing • 2010) [4:30] The Year of Living Biblically (A.J. Jacobs • Simon & Schuster • 2007) [16:45] Young Money (Grand Central Publishing • 2014) [30:15] Roose's New York Times archive [44:45] "Pursuing Self-Interest in Harmony with the Laws of the Universe and Contributing to Evolution is Universally Rewarded" (New York • Apr 2011) [54:00] "Go West, Young Bank Bro" (San Francisco • Feb 2014) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wil S. Hylton, a contributing writer for The New York Times Magazine, is the author of Vanished. "I despise the fucking nut graf. I think it's a joke, a cop out. The story probably should be about something larger than itself but if you have to tell people what that is, you've failed form the beginning. If they can't find it, you didn't put it there and you shouldn't be beating them over the head with it." Thanks to TinyLetter and The Fog Horn for sponsoring this week's episode, and to the Writing Department at the University of Pittsburgh for hosting. Show notes: @wilshylton wilshylton.com Hylton on Longform [1:45] Longform Podcast #28: Joel Lovell (live) [2:15] Vanished (Riverhead Books• 2013) [7:45] "The Search for the Lost Marines of Tarawa" (New York Times Magazine • Nov 2013) [11:30] "The Return of the Trolls" (Baltimore Sun • Apr 1992) [24:15] Longform Podcast #66: Andy Ward [25:00] "There Goes the Neighborhood, Up in Flames" (Esquire • Aug 1999) [31:15] "Hot Enough For Ya?" (Esquire • Aug 2000) [35:45] "The People vs. Richard Cheney" (GQ • Mar 2007) [36:15] "Casualty of War" (GQ • Jun 2004) [36:15] "The Big, Bad Wolfowitz?" (GQ • Dec 2003) [41:45] "Meltdown" (GQ • Feb 2008) [42:30] "How James Turrell Knocked the Art World Off Its Feet" (New York Times Magazine • June 2013) [47:15] "What Happened to Air France Flight 447?" (New York Times Magazine • May 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

David Kushner, a contributing editor at Rolling Stone, has written for The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, Wired and The Atavist. "The minute you see an incredible character, you know. The only thing I can compare it to is bowling, not that I'm much of a bowler. On the few times I've thrown a strike, you know it before it hits the pins." Thanks to TinyLetter and ProFlowers for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @davidkushner davidkushner.com Kushner on Longform [1:00] "The Bones of Marianna" (The Atavist • Dec 2013) [8:15] "The Hacker is Watching" (GQ • Jan 2012) [8:45] Masters of Doom (Random House • 2003) [8:45] Jacked (Wiley • 2012) [28:45] "Prepare to Meet Thy Doom" (Wired • May 2003) [30:45] "Cormac McCarthy's Apocalypse" (Rolling Stone • Dec 2007) [31:00] "Time Tunnels Meet Warped Passages" (IEEE Spectrum • Apr 2006) [37:45] "The WikiLeaks Mole" (Rolling Stone • Jan 2014) [41:45] Levittown (Walker & Company • 2009) [43:30] "I Was a Teenage Freak" (Rolling Stone • Sep 2003) [48:00] "Anonymous vs. Steubenville" (Rolling Stone • Nov 2013) [49:45] "Dead End on Silk Road" (Rolling Stone • Feb 2014) [51:45] "Anonymous vs. Scientology" (Maxim • Jul 2008) [54:15] "Sponge-Fraud!" (Vanity Fair • Jun 2012) [57:15] Longform Podcast #64: Gay Talese [1:00:16] "Machine Politics" (New Yorker • May 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ariel Levy is a staff writer at The New Yorker. "I like an older awesome lady, I don't think enough is written about older awesome ladies and I don't think there are enough role models for younger awesome ladies. It’s great fun hanging out with an older awesome lady. It’s inspiring. And it makes you think 'Jesus, I might be rocking it when I’m 80!'" Thanks to ProFlowers and TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @avlskies Levy on Longform [3:00] "My First Time, Twice" (Guernica • June 2011) [7:15] Female Chauvinist Pigs (Free Press • 2006) [12:00] "The Perfect Wife" (New Yorker • Sep 2013) [12:30] "Breaking the Waves" (New Yorker • Feb 2014) [sub req'd] [12:45] "Nora Knows What To Do" (New Yorker • Jul 2009) [24:00] "Reservations" (New Yorker • Dec 2010) [sub req'd] [25:00] "I, Mack" (New York • May 2001) [25:00] "The Pretty-Boy Syndrome" (New York • Oct 2004) [27:00] "The Last Gentleman" (New York • Oct 2007) [27:00] "The Prisoner of Sex" (New York • Jun 2005) [30:45] "Enchanted" (New Yorker • Sep 2008) [30:45] "The Lonesome Trail" (New Yorker • Sep 2008) [32:00] "Trial By Twitter" (New Yorker • Aug 2013) [32:00] "Either/"Or" (New Yorker • Nov 2009) [40:45] "Thanksgiving in Mongolia" (New Yorker • Nov 2013) [48:15] "Living-Room Leopards" (New Yorker • Nov 2013) [sub req'd] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dan P. Lee is a contributing writer at New York. "I don't believe in answers. That's what compels me to write all of these stories. None of them ends nicely, none of them ends neatly." Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @Dan_P_Lee Lee on Longform Lee's New York archive [13:30] "Who Killed Ellen Andros?" (Philadelphia Magazine • Oct 2006) [22:45] "Travis the Menace" (New York • Jan 2011) [45:00] "Paw Paw & Lady Love" (New York • Jun 2011) [48:45] "4:52 on Christmas Morning" (New York • Dec 2012) [49:15] "The Camera's Cusp" (New York • Sep 2013) [49:15] "Where It Hurts" (New York • Dec 2013) [51:30] "The Good Seed" (GQ • Jun 2011) [55:30] "'I Just Want to Feel Everything'" (New York • Jun 2012) [1:04:00] "Welcome to the Real Space Age" (New York • May 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Roger D. Hodge is the editor of Oxford American. "My career isn't all that interesting insofar as I've been an editor. I'm much more interested in talking about writers and stories. That's the main thing: telling these stories, creating this platform, this context for the best possible storytelling." Thanks to TinyLetter and Random House for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @RogerDHodge oxfordamerican.org [5:15] "Long Way Home" (Rosanne Cash • Oxford American • Nov 2013) [5:45] The River and The Thread (Rosanne Cash • Blue Note Records • 2014) [10:00] Sewanee Review [18:45] "Mean Season" (Adrian McKinty • Harper's • Sep 1997) [sub req'd] [26:00] "The Net Giveth, and the Net Taketh Away" (Suck • Dec 1995) [31:30] Longform Podcast #5: Paul Ford [37:00] "The Guantánamo 'Suicides'" (Scott Horton • Harper's • Mar 2010) [43:45] "Dear Charlie" (Joe Hagan • Oxford American • Nov 2013) [49:15] Southword Radio Series (Oxford American & National Public Radio) [53:45] "Carl the Raping Goat Saves Christmas" (Lucy Alibar • Oxford American • Nov 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

George Saunders has written for The New Yorker and GQ. His latest collection of short stories is Tenth of December. "Maybe you would understand your artistry to be: put me anywhere. I'll find human beings, I'll find human interest, I'll find literature. And I guess you could argue the weirder, or maybe the less explored the place, the better." Thanks to TinyLetter and Audible for sponsoring this week's episode.  Show notes: georgesaundersbooks.com Saunders on Longform [5:00] Tenth of December (Random House • 2013) [8:45] "George Saunders Has Written the Best Book You'll Read This Year" (Joel Lovell • New York Times Magazine • Jan 2013) [22:45] CivilWarLand in Bad Decline (Random House • 1996) [29:30] "The Great Divider" (GQ • Dec 2006) [30:45] "The New Mecca" (GQ • Nov 2005) [33:00] "The Incredible Buddha Boy" (GQ • Jun 2006) [38:45] George Saunders's Advice to Graduates (May 2013) [47:00] "Tent City, U.S.A." (GQ • Sep 2009) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jon Mooallem, a contributing writer at The New York Times Magazine, is the author of Wild Ones and American Hippopotamus, the latest story from The Atavist. "I'm terrible at writing nut graphs. I never know why people should keep reading. That’s the menace of my professional existence, trying to figure that out. Because often you have to explain that to an editor before you even start, and I may not even know while I'm writing what the bigger point is." Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @jmooallem jonmooallem.com Mooallem on Longform [2:00] Longform Podcast #4: Jon Mooallem [3:00] American Hippopotamus (The Atavist • Dec 2013) [5:45] Wild Ones (Penguin • 2013) [11:00] Pop-Up Magazine [20:30] "Structure" (John McPhee • New Yorker • Jan 2013) [27:15] Burnham: King of Scouts (Peter van Wyk • Trafford Publishing • 2003) [32:15] Episode 91: Wild Ones Live (99% Invisible • Oct 2013) [40:00] "Who Would Kill a Monk Seal?" (New York Times Magazine • May 2013) [40:00] "There’s a Reason They Call Them 'Crazy Ants'" (New York Times Magazine • Dec 2013) [42:45] "Pigeon Wars" (New York Times Magazine • Oct 2006) [46:15] "What's a Monkey to Do in Tampa?" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Sexton is a senior editor at ProPublica and a former reporter and editor at the New York Times, where he led the team that produced "Snow Fall." "My experience in a newspaper newsroom over the years has been: The word you hear least often, the word that's hardest for people to say in that environment, is the word yes. It's safer to say no. You get second-guessed less often if you say no. Your job's not on the line if you say no. But if you're willing to say yes and you're willing to face the consequences of having said yes, then quite amazing things can happen." Thanks to Random House andTinyLetterfor sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: [6:00] "Snow Fall" (John Branch • New York Times • Dec 2012) [20:30] Longform Podcast #28: Joel Lovell [32:45] "Spitzer is Linked to Prostitution Ring" (Danny Hakim and William K. Rashbaum • New York Times • Mar 2008) [41:30] Jim Dwyer's Pulitzer Prize-winning columns [57:45] "Use Only as Directed" (Jeff Gerth and T. Christian Miller • ProPublica • Sep 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Andrew Leland is an editor at The Believer and hosts The Organist. "I think a good editor has a strong stomach for crazy assholes. Because often crazy assholes are really brilliant great writers." Thanks to TinyLetter and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: Leland's archive at the Oakland Standard Leland's blog, "Good Jobbbbbbbbb" [4:00] "Web Dreams" (Josh Quittner • Wired • Nov 1996) [5:15] 826 Valencia [5:45] A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius (David Eggers • 2001) [6:45] "E Unibus Pluram: Television and U.S. Fiction" (The Review of Contemporary Fiction • Jun 1993) [15:30] Interview with Laura Owens (Rachel Kushner • The Believer • May 2003) [17:45] "Rejoice! Believe! Be Strong and Read Hard!" (Heidi Julavits • The Believer • Mar 2003) [48:00] Wholphin archive [50:00] Please Vote for Me [56:00] Joe Frank Show Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jason Fagone, a contributing editor at Wired and a writer-at-large for Philadelphia, is the author of Ingenious. "It seemed like all the big guys in American society had let us down, all the elites. And here was a contest that was explicitly looking to the little guy and saying, 'We don't care what you've done before or how much money you have in your pocket. If you solve this problem, you win the money.' There was something so optimistic and hopeful and cool about that to me." Thanks to TinyLetter and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @jfagone jasonfagone.com Fagone on Longform [2:15] "The Dirtiest Player" (GQ • Feb 2010) [11:45] Ingenious: A True Story of Invention, Automotive Daring, and the Race to Revive America (2013) [24:00] "High Times May Be the Most Influential Publication of Our Era" (The New Republic • Nov 2013) [24:45] "The Willy Wonka of Pot" (Grantland • Nov 2013) [25:30] Cultivating Exceptional Cannabis: An Expert Breeder Shares His Secrets (DJ Short • 2004) [48:30] "The Death (and Life) of the Philadelphia Weekly and Philadelphia City Paper" (Philadelphia • May 2012) [49:00] Breaking The News: How the Media Undermine American Democracy (James Fallows • 1996) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amy Wallace is an editor-at-large for Los Angeles and a correspondent for GQ . "I've written about the anti-vaccine movement. I love true crime. I've written a lot of murder stories. The thing that unites all of them—whether it's a celebrity profile or a biologist who murdered a bunch of people or Justin Timberlake—it's almost trite to say, but there's a humanity to each of these people. And figuring out what's making them tick in the moment, or in general, is interesting to me. In a way, that's my sweet spot." Thanks to TinyLetter and Warby Parker for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @msamywallace amy-wallace.com Wallace on Longform [7:00] "Justin Timberlake: #Hashtag of the Year" (GQ • Dec 2013) [12:15] "The Comedian's Comedian's Comedian" (GQ • Aug 2010) [20:30] "A Very Dangerous Boy" (GQ • Nov 2013) [35:15] "Mrs. Hughes Takes Her Leave" (Ron Suskind • Esquire • Jul 2002) [37:00] "Valley Girl Interrupted" (Los Angeles • Oct 2001) [44:30] "What Made This University Researcher Snap?" (Wired • Feb 2011) [44:30] "A Loaded Gun" (Patrick Radden Keefe • New Yorker • Feb 2013) [48:15] "Amen! (D'Angelo's Back!)" (GQ • Jun 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rachel Aviv is a staff writer at The New Yorker. "If I'm writing about the criminal justice system, I wish I were a lawyer. If I'm writing about psychiatry, I wish I were a psychiatrist. I have often filled out half my application to get a Ph.D in clinical psychology. That is one area where I am constantly on the verge of jumping the fence. But even when I wrote about religion, I thought I wanted to be a priest." Thanks to TinyLetter and HostGator for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @RachelAviv rachelaviv.com Aviv on Longform Aviv's New Yorker archive [2:00] "Netherland" (The New Yorker • Dec 2012) [paywall] [14:15] "Hobson's Choice" (The Believer • Oct 2007) [16:00] Madness and Modernism: Insanity in the Light of Modern Art, Literature, and Thought (Louis A. Sass • 1992) [16:00] The Center Cannot Hold: My Journey Through Madness (Elyn R. Saks • 2007) [19:30] Random Family: Love, Drugs, Trouble, and Coming of Age in the Bronx (Adrian Nicole LeBlanc • Nov 2003) [21:15] "The Imperial President" (The New Yorker • Sep 2013) [paywall] [22:30] "The Science of Sex Abuse" (The New Yorker • Jan 2013) [27:00] "Like I Was Jesus" (Harper's • Aug 2009) [27:45] "Local Story" (The New Yorker • Mar 2013) [paywall] [36:45] "Fat Fiction" (The Believer • Mar 2006) [paywall] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Monika Bauerlein and Clara Jeffery are the co-editors of Mother Jones. "We probably pay more attention to our fact-checking and our research than almost everybody in our industry. By the time we publish stuff, we make sure it's unimpeachable because people would like to impeach it." Thanks to TinyLetter and HostGator for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @MonikaBauerlein @ClaraJeffery motherjones.com Mother Jones on Longform [16:45] Mac McClelland's Mother Jones archive [18:00] "Follow the Dark Money" (Andy Kroll • Mother Jones • Jul/Aug 2012) [19:00] "School of Shock" (Jennifer Gonnerman • Mother Jones • Aug 2007) [21:45] "Secrets of the Tax-Prep Business" (Gary Rivlin • Mother Jones • Mar/Apr 2011) [26:45] "WATCH: Full Secret Video of Private Romney Fundraiser" (David Corn • Mother Jones • Sep 2012) [43:00] "Solitary in Iran Nearly Broke Me. Then I Went Inside America's Prisons." (Shane Bauer • Mother Jones • Nov/Dec 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Evan Wright, a two-time National Magazine Award winner, is the author of Generation Kill. "When people were killed, civilians especially, I realized I was the only person there who would write it down. I was frantic about getting names, and in the book there are a few Arabic names, some of the victims. Not that anyone cares. But I thought, 'At least somewhere there's a record of this.'" Thanks to this week’s sponsors: TinyLetter and HostGator. Show notes: @evanscribe Wright on Longform [3:45] Generation Kill (2004) [10:00] "Scenes From My Life in Porn" (L.A. Weekly • Mar 2000) [12:15] A.J. Liebling’s New Yorker archive [14:15] "Big Red Son" (David Foster Wallace • Consider the Lobster • 1998) [pdf] [16:30] Every Love Story Is a Ghost Story: A Life of David Foster Wallace (D.T. Max • 2012) [18:15] Hella Nation: Looking for Happy Meals in Kandahar, Rocking the Side Pipe,Wingnut's War Against the Gap, and Other Adventures with the Totally Lost Tribes of America (2009) [28:00] "The Killer Elite" (Rolling Stone • Jul 2003) [30:30] Longform Podcast #64: Gay Talese [33:30] Wikipedia: Christopher Isherwhood [39:30] Karl Taro Greenfield on Longform [48:30] "Pat Dollard's War on Hollywood" (Vanity Fair • Mar 2007) [57:00] American Desperado: My Life—From Mafia Soldier to Cocaine Cowboy to Secret Government Asset (with Jon Roberts • 2011) [1:00:00] How to Get Away with Murder in America: Drug Lords, Dirty Pols, Obsessed Cops, and the Quiet Man Who Became the CIA's Master Killer (Kindle Single • 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Andy Ward, a former editor at Esquire and GQ, is the editorial director of nonfiction at Random House. "How you gain that trust is a hard thing to quantify. The way I try do it is by caring. If you don't care about every word and every sentence in the piece, writers pick up on that. ... Ultimately, it's their book or their magazine article. Their name is on it, not mine. I always try to keep that in mind." Thanks to this week's sponsors: TinyLetter and EA SPORTS FIFA 14. Show notes: @AndyWard15 Andy Ward Picks His Favorite Articles [31:00] "The Perfect Fire" (Sean Flynn • Esquire • Jul 2000) [33:00] "He Came from Outer Space" (Chris Jones • Esquire • Oct 2002) [40:45] Jim Nelson's Memo to GQ staffers when Ward left [42:30] "The Book of Me" (Richard Powers • GQ • Oct 2008) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Elizabeth Wurtzel is the author of four books, including Prozac Nation. "It's not that hard to be a lawyer. Any fool can be a lawyer. It's really hard to be a writer. You have to be born with incredible amounts of talent. Then you have to work hard. Then you have to be able to handle tons of rejection and not mind it and just keep pushing away at it. You have to show up at people's doors. You can't just e-mail and text message people. You have to bang their doors down. You have to be interesting. You have to be fucking phenomenal to get a book published and then sell the book. When people think their writing career is not working out, it's not working out because it's so damn hard. It's not harder now than it was 20 years ago. It's just as hard. It was always hard." Thanks to TinyLetter and EA SPORTS FIFA 14 for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @LizzieWurtzel [16:00] Prozac Nation (1994) [21:00] "The Return of the Replacements: Here Comes a Regular" (The Daily Beast • Sep 2013) [31:00] "Elizabeth Wurtzel Confronts Her One-Night Stand of a Life" (New York • Jan 2013) [45:30] "From Led Zeppelin to Breaking Bad: The Lamest Generation" (The Daily Beast • Sep 2013) [46:15] "Fight the Power" (The New Yorker • Sep 1992) [50:30] "Mitt Romney Is Likable Enough" (The Atlantic • Jan 2012) [52:30] Thursday, Oct. 24: Wurtzel will be reading at No. 8 in New York. Details [53:00] More, Now, Again: A Memoir of Addiction (2002) [53:15] Bitch: In Praise of Difficult Women (1998) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Gay Talese, who wrote for Esquire in the 1960s and currently contributes to The New Yorker, is the author of several books. His latest is A Writer's Life. "I want to know how people did what they did. And I want to know how that compares with how I did what I did. That's my whole life. It's not really a life. It's a life of inquiry. It's a life of getting off your ass, knocking on a door, walking a few steps or a great distance to pursue a story. That's all it is: a life of boundless curiosity in which you indulge yourself and never miss an opportunity to talk to someone at length." Thanks to TinyLetter and Warby Parker for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: [14:30] "The Crisis Manager: A profile of Joe Girardi" (The New Yorker • Sep 2012) [pdf] [16:30] "Frank Sinatra Has a Cold" (Esquire • Apr 1966) [22:30] "Frank Sinatra Has a Cold: Annotated" (with Elon Green • Nieman Storyboard • Oct 2013) [16:30] "The Silent Season of a Hero" (Esquire • July 1966) [24:00] "Mr. Bad News" (Esquire • Feb 1966) [31:00] The Kingdom and the Power: Behind the Scenes at The New York Times, The Institution That Influences the World (1969) [34:45] Honor Thy Father (1971) [34:45] Thy Neighbor's Wife (1981) [43:00] Talese's first story: "Times Square Anniversary" (The New York Times • Nov 1953) [51:15] "Peter O'Toole on the Ould Sod" (Esquire • Aug 1963) [104:15] Unto the Sons (1992) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jon Ronson, a contributor to This American Life, The Guardian and GQ, is the author of six books, including The Men Who Stare at Goats. His latest is Lost at Sea: The Jon Ronson Mysteries. "The older you get, you realize that no uncomfortable fact makes your story worse. Contradictions are great. What's bad, what to me is the worst journalistic sin, is ridiculous polemicism. ... To me, the contradictions, the story not turning out the way you want—you have to be a twig in the tidal wave of the story." Thanks to TinyLetter, EA SPORTS FIFA 14 and Learnvest for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @jonronson jonronson.com Ronson on Longform Ronson's This American Life archive Ronson's Guardian archive Ronson's GQ archive [7:15] "Who Takes the Class Out of Class Reunion" (This American Life • Jun 2006) [21:30] Them: Adventures with Extremists (2001) [26:30] The Men Who Stare at Goats (2004) [47:00] The Psychopath Test: A Journey Through the Madness Industry (2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Malcolm Gladwell is a staff writer at The New Yorker. His latest book is David and Goliath: Underdogs, Misfits, and the Art of Battling Giants. "The categories are in motion. You turn into a Goliath, then you topple because of your bigness. You fall to the bottom again. And Davids, after a while, are no longer Davids. Facebook is no longer an underdog—it's now everything it once despised. I'm everything I once despised. When I was 25, I used to write these incredibly snotty, hostile articles attacking big-name, nonfiction journalists. Now I read them and I'm like, 'Oh my God, they're doing a me on me!'" Thanks to TinyLetter and EA SPORTS FIFA 14 for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @gladwell gladwell.com Gladwell on Longform Gladwell's New Yorker archive [6:30] "How David Beats Goliath" (New Yorker • May 2009) [29:00] The Blind Side: Evolution of a Game (Michael Lewis • 2006) [32:15] Psychoanalysis: The Impossible Profession (Janet Malcolm • 1981) [32:15] The Journalist and the Murderer (Janet Malcolm • 1990) [43:00] Tyler Cowen's Marginal Revolution [56:30] "The Plauge of the Year" (New Republic • Jul 1995) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cord Jefferson is the West Coast Editor at Gawker. "I consider myself to be a sincere human being. And I think that the way the internet carries itself, the way the internet has dialogues, is often insincere. That concerns me. I don't ever want to lose my sincerity. I don't ever want to lose my ability to feel emotional about things that I write about. I don't ever want to have a distance from everything that I write. I think that can be a danger of writing too much for the internet, that you develop this elitist distance from everything. That nothing really matters, you know?" Thanks to TinyLetter and Hulu Plus for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @cordjefferson Jefferson on Longform Jefferson's Gawker archive [4:00] Jefferson on MSNBC (MSNBC • Jul 2013) [5:45] "Video of Violent, Rioting Surfers Shows White Culture of Lawlessness" (Gawker • Jul 2013) [7:00] "Don Lemon: Bill O'Reilly's 'Got A Point' About Black People" (Huffington Post • Jul 2013) [20:30] "Don't Stop Running" (The Awl • Dec 2012) [20:30] "I Used to Love Her, But I Had to Flee Her" (Gawker • Jul 2012) [31:45] "When People Write for Free, Who Pays?" (Gawker • Mar 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hamilton Morris is the science editor for Vice and a contributor to Harper's. "It's a shame that there isn't more of an interdisciplinary approach to a lot of scientific investigations, because often the result is that misinformation is produced. Again, there's misinformation in journalism and there's misinformation in science. And if you combine the best elements of both of those disciplines you can come a little bit closer to the truth. If you want to understand a drug phenomenon, you're going to need to look at it medically, chemically, anthropologically, you need to talk to people, you need to interview people, you need to look at the drug policy, the chemistry, the history—there's a lot of different factors that need to be examined in order to understand even the most simple, minute drug phenomenon. And if you're approaching something purely as a scientist, as an academic, there are huge limitations as to what you can do." Thanks to TinyLetter and Hulu Plus for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @HamiltonMorris Morris's Vice archive [29:30] "Blood Spore" (Harper's • Jul 2013) [46:00] "Excerpt: I Walked With a Zombie" (Harper's • Oct 2011) [56:45] "The Magic Jews" (Vice • Sep 2008) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nancy Jo Sales writes for Vanity Fair and is the author of The Bling Ring. "I'm a mom now, so my life's a little different. I can't do certain things that I used to do, and I won't, because they're dangerous or ridiculous or keep me out till five in the morning or whatever. But back in those days, I didn't even really have—I didn't even have a pet! This was everything I did. This was my whole life, this passion to find out these things, and do these things, and see these things, and have these adventures and be able to report about this street life that rarely gets talked about. I just didn't really have a lot of boundaries in those days. I don't think I had any, really. And if you really throw yourself into something, you can get a great story. You can also not have a life of your own." Thanks to TinyLetter and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: Sales on Longform Sales's Vanity Fair archive [8:30] "A Star Is Bred" (New York • Jul 1996) [pdf] [11:00] "Leo, Prince of the City" (New York • Jun 1998) [14:45] "Prep-School Gangsters" (New York • Dec 1996) [21:00] "The Crack-Up" (New York • Sep 1997) [pdf] [30:45] "Hip Hop Debs" (Vanity Fair • Sep 2000) [37:30] "Courtney Love in a Cold Climate" (Vanity Fair • Nov 2011) [41:30] "Money Boss Player: Donald Trump" (Vibe • May 1999) [pdf] [42:30] "The Suspects Wore Louboutins" (Vanity Fair • Mar 2010) [51:45] "The Baby Dinner" (New York • Nov 1999) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sarah Stillman is a staff writer for The New Yorker. "People don't really care about issues so much as they care about the stories and the characters that bring those issues to life. ... A story needs an engine or something to propel you forward and it can't just be a collection of like, 'Oh, hmm, this was interesting over here and this was interesting over there.' Realizing that helped me sit down with all my stuff on trafficking and labor abuses in Iraq and Afghanistan and say 'What are the five craziest things that I found here and how could I weave them together in a way that would actually have some forward motion?'" Thanks to TinyLetter and HuluPlus for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: Stillman on Longform Stillman's New Yorker archive [6:30] "The Throwaways" (New Yorker • Aug 2012) [15:00] "The Invisible Army" (New Yorker • Jun 2011) [31:00] "Taken by the State" (New Yorker • Aug 2013) [49:00] Soul Searching: A Girl's Guide to Finding Herself (2001) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Eli Saslow is a staff writer at the Washington Post and a contributor at ESPN the Magazine. It's not really my place to complain about it being hard for me to write. I wrote the story ("After Newtown Shooting, Mourning Parents Enter Into the Lonely Quiet") and I got to leave it. And even when I was writing the story, I was only experiencing what they were experiencing in a super fractional way. The hard part is that it was a story where there are no breaks, there's no—it is this relentless, sort of bottomless pain and I struggled with that. … A story can only have so many crushing moments, otherwise they just all wash out. But the other truth is: it is what it is. It's an impossibly heartbreaking situation. And making the story anything other than relentlessly heartbreaking would've been doing an injustice to what they're dealing with. Thanks to TinyLetter and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @elisaslow Saslow on Longform Saslow's Washington Post archive [14:45] "Life of a Salesman" (Washington Post • Oct 2012) [23:30] "In Florida, a Food-stamp Recruiter Deals With Wrenching Choices" (Washington Post • Apr 2013) [30:30] "After Newtown Shooting, Mourning Parents Enter Into the Lonely Quiet" (Washington Post • Jun 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joshuah Bearman is the co-founder of Epic Magazine and a freelance writer. His latest story is "Coronado High." "People who know me well will realize that parts of this story are actually about me. … It's about loss of innocence and getting to a certain point in your life where you realize the excitement of youth is over. Life at a certain point gets complicated and there are consequences and things get hard. These are people who dealt with those consequences in a way that I never did — they had to go to prison or destroy their friends lives — but that's what I liked about this story. It's a true crime story, but it became universal when I realized that there is this emotional experience that these characters go through that anybody can relate to." Thanks to TinyLetter and Igloo Software for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @JoshBearman Bearman on Longform [2:45] "Coronado High" (The Atavist • Aug 2013) [3:30] Excerpt of the GQ version of "Coronado High" (GQ • Jun 2013) [6:00] "The Great Escape" (Wired • Apr 2007) [14:00] Longform Podcast #11: Bearman discusses Argo [20:00] "Baghdad Country Club" (The Atavist • Jan 2012) [24:30] Epic Magazine [25:15] Longform Podcast #17: Joshua Davis [42:00] "The Gold Heist: A Third Interview with a Nuclear Physicist" (McSweeney's • Mar 2001) [43:15] "The Perfect Game" (Harper's • Jul 2008) [subscription required] [44:30] "It's Always a Good Idea to Get Some Manure on Your Boots" (The Believer • April 2004) [46:30] "Heaven's Gate: The Sequel" (L.A. Weekly • Mar 2007) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amy Harmon, a Pulitzer Prize winner, covers science and society for the New York Times. "I'm not looking to expose science as problematic and I'm not looking to celebrate it. But it can be double edged. Genetic knowledge can certainly be double edged. Often the science outpaces where our culture is in terms of grappling with it, with the implications of it. Part of the reason for this widespread fear about GMOs is people don't understand what it is. I'm looking for an emotional way or a vehicle through which to get people to read about it. It's an excuse to talk about the science, not just explain it. … My contribution, what I can do, is try to tell a story that will engage people in the story and then they'll realize at the end that they learned a little bit about the science." Thanks to TinyLetter and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @Amy_Harmon Harmon's New York Times archive [5:45] "A Race to Save the Orange by Altering Its DNA" (New York Times • Jul 2013) [15:15] "Dispute Over Labeling of Genetically Modified Food" (with Andrew Pollack • New York Times • May 2012) [28:30] Michael Pollan's tweet about Harmon's story [38:30] "The DNA Age: Facing Life With a Lethal Gene" (New York Times • 2007) [39:30] "How Race is Lived in America" (New York Times • 2000) [48:00] "Autistic and Seeking a Place in the Adult World" (New York Times • Sep 2011) [52:15] "Navigating Love and Autism" (New York Times • 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sean Flynn is a GQ correspondent and National Magazine Award winner. "I find it satisfying to be able to give a voice to people that sort of get lost…You know, when these big horrible things happen, and the spotlight is very briefly on them, and then it moves away, and it's not that I'm dragging them out and forcing them to 'Relive your horrible moments!' It's more a thing of, 'If you'd like to relive your horrible moment, if you want people to know what actually happened, talk to me. I will tell your story.'" Thanks to TinyLetter and the The Literary Reportage concentration at NYU's Arthur L. Carter Journalism Institute for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: Flynn's GQ archive [00:30] "The Finish Line" (GQ • Jun 2013) [3:45] "Is he coming? Is he? Oh God, I think he is." (GQ • Aug 2012) [11:00] "BOOM" (GQ • Jul 2010) [11:00] "Way Down in the Hole" (GQ • Nov 2010) [19:00] "The End: Boston Phoenix publishes final issue today" (Stephen M. Mindich • The Boston Phoenix • Mar 2013) [22:00] "Barnicle's Game" (Dan Kennedy • The Boston Phoenix • Aug 1998) [25:45] "A Voice in the Dark" (Esquire • Jan 2000) [27:45] "The Perfect Fire" (Esquire • Jul 2000) [35:15] "Bagdad P.D." (GQ • Oct 2006) [36:15] "Papa" (GQ • Apr 2008) [39:45] "The Sex Trade" (GQ • Mar 2007) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

For the first time, Janet Reitman discusses her Rolling Stone cover story on accused Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. "My editors, myself, a lot of people who work for the magazine — we lived through an act of terrorism. We know what it feels like. There have been accusations to me personally of being insensitive, and I can tell you that I'm far from insensitive, not only to the political realities of terrorism but to the personal realities of terrorism. I breathed it in, literally. … The cover is great on a certain level, because terrorism is emotional, it's real, it affects us. It is not something that happens just overseas or just to people who are somehow "Other." If you talk to terrorism experts around the world, what they will all say is that the vast majority of people who are involved in these violent, extremist acts are what we would consider otherwise to be very normal people. One of us. Part of our community. That's a reality, and it's a very emotional thing and it makes people very uncomfortable. I totally understand that. But that was the point of my story." Show notes: "Jahar's World" (Rolling Stone • July 2013) Inside Scientology: The Story of America's Most Secretive Religion (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt • 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kelley Benham is a writer and editor at the Tampa Bay Times. "People connect with this story in a really visceral kind of way, usually because of some experience they've had or someone close to them has had. I've had 90-year-old women crying into my phone about babies they lost 70 years ago. I've had people kind of sneak up to me and tell me about babies that have died that they don't talk about, but that they carry with them all the time. I've had premies who are grown up—those are my favorite–you know, "I'm 20 now and I have a scar just like Juniper's scar, and thank you for helping me understand who I am." Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @KelleyBFrench Benham's Tampa Bay Times archive [0:30] "Never Let Go" (Tampa Bay Times • Dec 2012) [4:00] "Rampaging Rooster Attacks Girl" (St. Petersburg Times • Oct 2002) [5:45] "From Ordinary Girl to International Icon" (St. Petersburg Times • Mar 2005) [12:30] "23 Weeks, 6 Days" (Radiolab • Apr 2013) [34:00] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Robert Kolker is the author of Lost Girls and a contributing editor at New York. "For better or for worse, my heart's not in the mystery. I want [the killer] to be caught—he's obviously a predator and he's unstable. But they all are. They're all messed up people who victimize other people and they all look normal. The art and science of catching serial killers has become more than slightly overblown in our society. And you know, I love Silence of the Lambs … but I'm not entirely sure that our obsession with who the serial killer is and why a serial killer does it is in proportion with how interesting they end up being." Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @bobkolker robertkolker.com Kolker on Longform Lost Girls: An Unsolved American Mystery (Harper 2013) [2:15] "A Serial Killer in Common" (New York • Jun 2011) [5:15] "Long Island Serial Killer Victims Bond in Support Group" (Christine Pelisek and Roja Heydarpour • The Daily Beast • Apr 2011) [10:30] "Kaboom" (New York • Mar 2013) [22:15] "The Devil in David Letterman" (New York • Oct 2009) [25:45] Difficult Men: Behind the Scenes of a Creative Revolution: From The Sopranos and The Wire to Mad Men and Breaking Bad (Brett Martin • Penguin 2013) [26:30] Longform Podcast #40: Vanessa Grigoriadis [30:00] Random Family: Love, Drugs, Trouble, and Coming of Age in the Bronx (Adrian Nicole LeBlanc • Nov 2010) [42:00] "My Aircraft" (New York • Feb 2009) [42:00] "I Did It" (New York • Oct 2010) [47:30] "The New Prostitutes" (The New York Times • Jun 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Edith Zimmerman is the founding editor of The Hairpin and a contributing writer to The New York Times Magazine. "I never wrote anything myself or ran anything from other people that was needlessly negative. It wasn't some false grin plastered all over it — we addressed dark things too, and poked fun at things. But I didn't want there to ever be a tone of yeah, let's really just deflate this. Because ultimately you're just stabbing at a ghost among friends. And then at the end you've all just fallen on the floor and the ghost is gone. You're not really doing anything constructive." Show notes: @edithzimmerman edithzimmerman.com The Hairpin [9:00] Letters to the Editors of Women's Magazines (The Awl) [9:45] Longform Podcast #19: Choire Sicha [13:00] "Chris Evans: American Marvel" (GQ • Jul 2011) [18:30] "99 Ways to Be Naughty in Kazakhstan" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2012) [37:15] "Lively Woman Is in Trouble" (The Hairpin • Nov 2010) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brendan I. Koerner is a contributing editor at Wired and the author of The Skies Belong to Us. "It was this big review in The New York Times and I was terrified that it was going to say something awful about the book or about me as a writer. And my son said to me — he's 5, I should say — "If it's bad, you won't die." That's a good point, you know? So I always think of that when I pick up a new review and take that risk of someone slamming something that I've genuinely poured my heart and soul into." Thanks to TinyLetter and the Literary Reportage Department at NYU's Arthur L. Carter Journalism Institute for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @brendankoerner microkhan.com [3:30] The Skies Belong to Us: Love and Terror in the Golden Age of Hijacking (Crown • 2013) [5:15] Now The Hell Will Start: One Soldier's Flight from the Greatest Manhunt of World War II (Penguin • 2009) [7:45] "Piano Demon" (The Atavist • Jan 2011) [37:45] Koerner's archive at Slate Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Evan Ratliff, a co-host of the Longform Podcast, discusses "The Oilman's Daughter," his new story in The Atavist. "This woman was given the opportunity to take on a new identity. And it was a mistake. She never should've done it. If there was a way for her to go back and say, 'No, I don't want to know this. I want to be who I am,' then I think she should've taken that. … I'm fascinated with people who want to radically shift their identity. It almost never works out well." Show notes: "The Oilman's Daughter" (The Atavist • June 2013) "Writer Evan Ratliff Tried to Vanish: Here’s What Happened" (Wired • Nov 2009) "The Zombie Hunters" (New Yorker • Oct 2005) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Steve Kandell is the longfom editor at BuzzFeed. "What would be the sort of longer, narrative nonfiction, journalistic equivalent of something that would have the same effect on you as a bunch of cat GIFs? And not because it's cute, but it's the kind of thing that makes you go, 'OK, I need a lot of other people to see this.'" Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @SteveKandell "David Lee Roth Will Not Go Quietly" (BuzzFeed • Apr 2012) [7:30] "The Movie Set That Ate Itsef" (Michael Idov • GQ • November 2011) [7:45] "Here Is What Happens When You Cast Lindsay Lohan in Your Movie" (Stephen Rodrick • New York Times Magazine • January 2013) [16:35] "How 'Golden Eagle Snatches Kid' Ruled the Internet" (Chris Stokel-Walker • BuzzFeed • February 2013) [17:35] "The Ghosts of Jonesboro: Fifteen Years After A School Shooting, a Small Town Is Still Recovering" (David Peisner • BuzzFeed • March 2013) [23:40] "Atari Teenage Riot: The Inside Story of Pong and the Video Game Industry's Big Bang" (Chris Stokel-Walker • BuzzFeed • November 2012) [24:30] "Dispatches from the Front Line of Florida's Wild Python Hunt" (Amanda Petrusich • BuzzFeed • February 2013) [27:00] "When A Ten-Year Old Kills His Nazi Father, Who's To Blame?" (Natasha Vargas-Cooper • BuzzFeed • February 2013) [34:30] "Why Did Jodon Romero Kill Himself on Live Television?" (Jessica Testa • BuzzFeed • May 2013) [35:40] "How A War Hero Became A Serial Bank Robber" (Scott Johnson • BuzzFeed • March 2013) [36:10] "Deep Inside the Biggest Little Dildo Factory in America" (Natasha Vargas-Cooper • BuzzFeed • May 2013) [41:30] "Ben Mathis-Lilly's Brilliant Tirade on New Media" (Storify) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nicholas Schmidle is a staff writer at The New Yorker. "I was in a taxi, leaving Karachi to go attend this festival, and we started getting these very disturbing phone calls from newspaper reporters that didn't exist, all of them asking me to meet them at various places in Karachi. I had read enough about the Daniel Pearl case to know what happened in the days leading up, and this was very similar. ... We kept driving towards the festival, and shortly after that, friends started calling. They were watching local television, and it was being reported that 'Nicholas Shamble,' editor of Smithsonian Magazine, had been kidnapped. And I was like, 'All right, I get the hint.'" Thanks to TinyLetter for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @nickschmidle nicholasschmidle.com Schmidle on Longform [2:00] "In the Crosshairs" (New Yorker • June 2013) [9:40] "Three Trials for Murder" (New Yorker • November 2011) [25:15] "Next-Gen Taliban" (New York Times Magazine • January 2008) [37:30] "The Hostage Business" (New York Times Magazine • June 2009) [38:15] "Getting Bin Laden" (New Yorker • August 2011) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris Heath, winner of the 2013 National Magazine Award for Reporting, is a staff writer at GQ. "I present myself as someone who is going to be rigorous and honest. And if you can engage in the way I'm asking you to engage, then I hope you will recognize yourself in a more truthful way in this story than you usually do. And maybe even, with a bit of luck, more than you ever have before. That's what I bring. That's my offer." Thanks to TinyLetter and the Literary Reportage Department at NYU's Arthur L. Carter Journalism Institute for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: Heath's GQ archive [15:25] "The Crazy True Story of the Zanesville Zoo Escape" (GQ • March 2012) [27:40] "Graduation Day" (GQ • July 2011) [40:00] "Ricky Gervais's GQ Interview: The Comedy Issue" (GQ • May 2013) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Abrams covers the NBA for Grantland. "Players know that with the stories I do I'm not trying to burn anybody. I'm trying to tell a story for what it's worth and be honest to that person… That's one of my main goals, that you know why this person is [a certain] way when they step on the court. You know why Monta Ellis is going to keep shooting the ball. You know why Zach Randolph is such a gritty player. What these guys have gone through growing up, it materializes in their game." Show notes: @Jpdabrams Abrams's Grantland archive [3:30] "Loose Cannons: Ricky Davis and Lance Stephenson" (Grantland • Apr 2013) [10:45] "The Devil and Stephen Jackson" (Grantland • June 2012) [13:00] "The Two Lives of Zach Randolph" (Grantland • Nov 2012) [14:45] "The Music in Royce White's Head" (Grantland • June 2012) [14:45] "The Professional: Chauncey Billups" (Grantland • Dec 2012) [15:00] "The Miseducation of J.R. Smith" (Grantland • Sep 2012) [23:30] Longform Podcast #35: Jay Caspian Kang [25:30] Grantland Quarterly [31:00] "The Malice at the Palace" (Grantland • Feb 2012) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices