Conversation with Perry Carpenter, C | CISO, MSIA, who currently serves as chief evangelist and strategy officer for KnowBe4, the world’s most popular security awareness and simulated phishing platform.   Perry and I talked about the history of KnowBe4, his journey in cyber security, what students and early professionals can study to succeed in social engineering among other topics.  Perry talks about his background and how he took his Arts and Science education to become an extremely successful cyber security professional.  Perry gives advice on what he looks for in hiring early professionals.Please make sure to send questions, comments, and episode recommendations to [email protected] those interested in supporting Josh, my mentee looking to relocate to Canada and study cyber security, please visit GiveSendGo.Perry is A recognized thought leader on security awareness and the human factors of security, he’s provided security consulting and advisory services for the world’s best-known brands. His previous book, Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, quickly gained a reputation as the go-to guide for security awareness professionals worldwide, and, in 2021, he was inducted into the Cybersecurity Canon Hall of Fame.  He’s the creator and host of the popular 8th Layer Insights podcast and co-author of the new book The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide to Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer (Wiley; April 19, 2022). Learn more at SecurityCultureBook.com. KnowBe4The Art of Deception by Kevin MitnickThe Art of Invisibility by Kevin Mitnick